Q&A on Ismaili Islam with Khalil Andani Part 2 [Talk Gnosis After Dark]

What sort of changes in interpretation and practice take place from Imam to Imam through Ismaili history?
What are the specific features of Ismaili Neoplatonism and Cosmology - like God, Universal Intellect, Universal Soul?
What is the Ismaili thought on why bad things happen on earth?
Is there a common core within all these different esoteric traditions?
What is the role/status of Jesus Christ in Islam in general and in Ismaili thought?
Pluralism and other spiritual paths
When does the Imam obtain gnosis - does he get it when he becomes the Imam?
Are the Imams infallible in the Ismaili tradition?
The Ismailis are often thought of as being an antinomian sect. What is your opinion on this?
Why did science & philosophy come to an end in the 12th century among Muslims?
How do Ismailis today reconcile science and religion?
Is Islam inherently a violent religion or is it a religion peace?
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  • @shenazesmail1836
    @shenazesmail18363 жыл бұрын

    You truly are able to teach and make one comprehend the truth about Islam and ismailism. A lot of people have the wrong conception. It’s sad that more research is not done to find the truth. Knowledge will absolve these wrong notions. Very proud of you. We as Ismailis are proud of you. Imam bless you and give you barakat. Amen.

  • @avazbekibragimov6451

    @avazbekibragimov6451

    11 ай бұрын

    Ameen

  • @user-rg6bb2ry3h
    @user-rg6bb2ry3h4 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting .......i love all Ismailies brother and sister 🙏🙏💓🙏💓

  • @sdsfgsty

    @sdsfgsty

    4 жыл бұрын

    برادر اگر میتوانی قرآن را با معنی مطالعه کن تا بدانی که عقیده اسماعیلی از صراط المستقیم منحرف شده. لطفا عقاید خود را تجدید نظر کن. خداوند متعال همه ما را به راه راست هدایت کند. آمین!

  • @trt8785

    @trt8785

    22 күн бұрын

    ​@@sdsfgsty اگر مایل باشی در همین موضوع بحث کنیم که عقده شما مطابق قران نیست یا از اسماعیلیان ایا حاضری ؟

  • @trt8785

    @trt8785

    22 күн бұрын

    ​@@sdsfgsty اگر مایل باشید در همین موضوع با هم بحث داشته باشیم که عقاید شما مطابق قران نیست یا از ما اسماعیلیان Awesome

  • @azminapirani2933
    @azminapirani2933 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much to all three of you for a very informative and enjoyable session. Can we please have more.

  • @akbarkanji5368
    @akbarkanji53684 жыл бұрын

    MashaAllah Dr. Saheb

  • @simontemplar3359
    @simontemplar33598 жыл бұрын

    Salaam alsikum! thank you so much for this excellent video. The discussion was fascinating, and so brilliantly mutually respectful. This video had a ton of dense and weighty material to it. I have been a fan of Khalil Andani since his Harvard talk on Isma'īlī Islam. I follow the Ithna Ashari, or Twelver school, so I have a good understanding of the succession to Muhammad (pbuh) and the concept of Imamate, but I was very much confused by the Isma'īlī school. His talk elucidated the subject, and to take it deeper and explore gnosis in Islam is brilliant. This is heavy duty stuff, and thank you for enlightening me.

  • @GnosticWisdomNetwork

    @GnosticWisdomNetwork

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Robert Silva Yeah I agree, there's a lot to discover in this conversation.

  • @eeriewille3093

    @eeriewille3093

    5 жыл бұрын

    I have viewed ur links they all are completely uneducated even they don't know about islam therefore islam looks as terrorists to others bcz of you and bcz of the people who you linked.......we Ismaili nvr arguing bcz with faith you cannot do anything....

  • @eeriewille3093

    @eeriewille3093

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Dave 1977 You Muslim can nvr understand Ismailis...... No one knows H.H Aga Khan More than Ismailis indeed bcz No one Knows the benefits of the swimming better than the fish.. ////////////////////////////////////// Your comments are illogical.. ................................................. The definition of uneducated Person is arguing...[Sorry.be happy

  • @umeedkassam6974
    @umeedkassam69742 жыл бұрын

    More of mr khalil pls

  • @nazirkassamali2935
    @nazirkassamali29355 жыл бұрын

    Very informative. Khalil answers questions and explains succinctly.

  • @TawsifEC
    @TawsifEC7 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating and insightful.

  • @mohamedshamim9558

    @mohamedshamim9558

    5 жыл бұрын

    why did the popes in the past have orgies in the vatican. dont blame the religion blame the person

  • @karimravji386
    @karimravji3867 жыл бұрын

    Robert Silva. hats off to you.you are truly in search of knowledge unlike others who like to argue. Hazrat Ali always emphasized education. you seem very intelligent and that is in itself a blessing.

  • @rozinanoorani7060
    @rozinanoorani7060 Жыл бұрын

    So amazing lecture thank you 😊🙏🙏

  • @ibn-i-ali9305
    @ibn-i-ali93053 жыл бұрын

    Great job Khalil Andani

  • @saifgolfer
    @saifgolfer Жыл бұрын

    Nizari Ismaili are way more humane kind of people and are easily distinguish from other extreme radical bearded Muslim

  • @skyfflan
    @skyfflan4 жыл бұрын

    It would be interesting if someone asked about the shia perspective on western colonialism and imperialism. I’ve read somewhere that the anglo-saxon world have had a really infected history regarding Iran.

  • @ninacharania421
    @ninacharania4218 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting. Thanks You Tube for sharing.

  • @grailgnosticism2342
    @grailgnosticism23424 жыл бұрын

    interesting distinction being made between metaphysics and science,I think one of the problems of 19th century Western Psych-ism is that metaphysics tries to replace science, as indeed some new age thinking tries to replace science; I have a tendency to do this myself.

  • @karimmahesaniya7498
    @karimmahesaniya74982 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting.

  • @avazbekibragimov6451
    @avazbekibragimov645111 ай бұрын

    Excellent.

  • @parvinpeerwani7873
    @parvinpeerwani78732 жыл бұрын

    Excellent discourse Khalil. I Hope it is published,

  • @Oneandonlyamirali
    @Oneandonlyamirali6 жыл бұрын

    You make me happy. May you get the nrni ddr. Amen :)

  • @FidaHussain-qz4vs
    @FidaHussain-qz4vs6 жыл бұрын

    Sir urdu ma b koi uplod karo plz

  • @musaabadi7648
    @musaabadi76484 жыл бұрын

    Just a shed to Khalil Andani, as well as to audience who is interested in it, but everyone please feels free to dismiss my shed if you don't realizes it being useful:, my shed on this "double negations" method: The double negation of Ismaili theology was also adopted by Ramba of Judaism, such method has leads to a lots of confusion among complementary analytic theologians, and it seems like nobody cares to clarify it, whether scholars of either Ismaili scholarly background or of Ramban theological heritage, however, "double negation" method is a foundation of theological heritage within both Apothasis and via-negativa(as some disputes these two methods as different from each other’s ), it is important for those who cares about this issue to be shed of my clarity here. Clarity is: such double negation is ONLY a semantic commitment; it is neither an ontological commitment nor an epistemic commitment. For if we are making a positive statement likes ""there is 'neither ontological commitment nor epistemic commitment' which is applicable to God", then such statement would become a self-refusal statement which is contradictory of nature, therefore, while we are "speaking" about "God", such statement should be taken as merely a semantic commitment for us to do negations toward all statements, words, descriptions and so on in other word, being a mere semantic commitment, we shall also say "God is neither mentioned by any word nor not mentioned by any word"(Yes, the word "God" cannot be considered as a noun in reference to anything) . For if the word "God" is not in reference of anything, by keep making such semantic negations like this, don't we result in not conveying any meaning and any point? Yes, it does, it results us in neither any ontological commitment nor any epistemic commitment. But then, isn't it a mere word game which at the end result to be violating the entire purpose, which is, not making any conclusion at all? No it doesn't, because neo-Platonic method, as well as the entire classical theology, they are based on philosophical realism, it isn't that we invents some concepts which we speaks of them as some abstraction out there, but rather, within the philosophical realism framework, abstractions(such as, universals, attributes and relations etc.)are objectively mind-independent, classical theology is based on such framework, and it comes after one's investigations on a variety of abstractions, that we begin to wrongly wonders there is such "something which is too transcendent", and then we establishes that, the very notion of "something which is too transcendent" is also an invalid one, the matter begins to as an initiation of our knowledge on a variety of abstractions, then eventually we ascendant to establish knowledge on some particular abstractions, these particular abstraction also ascendant us to the final knowledge which is theology. --One can only argue against neo-Platonic apothasis and via-negativa(which is a method shared among doctrines of classical theology),via going against philosophical realism itself, otherwise, anti-theology argument must be an methodically categorical error. To argues that double negations leads to no conclusion of theology itself, it is a valid point if and only if philosophical realism is false, otherwise, it is precisely the conclusion that we cannot hope to makes either ontological commitment or epistemic commitment (which is not even due to our capacity). The particular abstractions I mentioned above are the "names" reveled in scriptures, and Yes, this is the value of revelation in theology, it' s an orthodox tradition of monotheistic faith such as, Islam, Israel and even Sikhi dharma, to recites the "names" of God without an investigation on the actual meaning of those “names”, and thus, those "names" should never be considered as either a ontological commitment to "God" or a epistemic commitment on "God", in Neo-Platonic tradition of theology, these “names” are seen to be "celestial symbols" for one to seeks for a fulfillment of negations, as philosophical realism cognizes these symbols to be real, under this case of Ismaili theology, these ”names” are considered as indeed the Noor or Universal Intellect, reflected in Prophets and Imams(of Shi’a case), in a similar manner they are seen to be the celestial hierarchy in Dionysian mystical theology(of Christianity), in Sikhi dharma they are seen as the WaheGuru of post-creation. Anyhow, I don' know how many people would really cares to go further than a casual reaction of "interesting", then to catch my clarity as it is first, therefore to establishes a dialogue with properly assumed framework. About infallibility of Imammate, there is a debate about whether they are substantially wrong-free, or just functionally protected to be wrong-free in their performance on discourse of theology, Sunnah and conduct, same debates applies to the Prophet too.

  • @VirgoPerdolens
    @VirgoPerdolens8 жыл бұрын

    Great video

  • @VirgoPerdolens

    @VirgoPerdolens

    7 жыл бұрын

    I'm an atheist.. why are you obsessed with sending me messages for months I haven't even talked to you

  • @GnosticWisdomNetwork

    @GnosticWisdomNetwork

    7 жыл бұрын

    Huh? What do you mean?

  • @VirgoPerdolens

    @VirgoPerdolens

    7 жыл бұрын

    I was replying to "Insight Curiosity."

  • @GnosticWisdomNetwork

    @GnosticWisdomNetwork

    7 жыл бұрын

    Mitchell Joyner Oh I see. I blocked him a way long time ago, so he's not really accomplishing anything by yelling at you. Sorry about that.

  • @VirgoPerdolens

    @VirgoPerdolens

    7 жыл бұрын

    no problem

  • @saboury
    @saboury5 жыл бұрын

    Foam Are you speaking Persion farsi?

  • @Chitralivlogofficial
    @Chitralivlogofficial6 жыл бұрын

    good

  • @ejazuddin5003

    @ejazuddin5003

    6 жыл бұрын

    HAR UDDIN

  • @rafikchbaklo
    @rafikchbaklo6 жыл бұрын

    what about the relation between the 12 Imam's and the 12 disciples of jesus, also the twelve wives of muhammad, I think there are some beautiful answers on this, especially in the realm of astrotheology and astronomy.

  • @akbarlakhani6624

    @akbarlakhani6624

    3 жыл бұрын

    didn't the prophet had 11 wives.

  • @rafikchbaklo

    @rafikchbaklo

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@akbarlakhani6624 the information on this are quite blurry, some say only 1, some others say 2, some say 4, and some say 12, and the numbers keep on going up. Esoterically, All i know that he had 2, and the 2nd one, he got married after the loss of the 1st wife.. And like Jesus, the 12 women, where only his students, because there are a lot of Ahadiths, that mentions the behavior of the prophet towards these women, very ethical and non-sexual at all, only to spread the holy message. and that the word zawaj doesn't have to include sex at all.

  • @speedlinespeedline7367
    @speedlinespeedline73674 жыл бұрын

    Met the imam at royal Ascot. Great no need for hajj. This religion is amazing. De emphasis is an understatement. Mind boggling stuff.

  • @fablos895

    @fablos895

    Жыл бұрын

    Ismailis are not muslims buddy u must do 5 pillars of Islam to be Muslim hajj is one of them aga khan is a scammer who steals all his peaoples money and buys mansions and islands and womanizes models who leave him and take his/your money 😅😅😅😅

  • @speedlinespeedline7367
    @speedlinespeedline73674 жыл бұрын

    Assains creed relates to aga khanis interesting.

  • @Mr14994

    @Mr14994

    3 жыл бұрын

    Just listen to shaykh Nooruddin on "stranger Hasan bin sabbah" by the way shaykh Nooruddin is not ismaili,

  • @abdala3439
    @abdala34396 жыл бұрын

    the people who crtisize such a good presentation is ignorant and have a close mind. Well done to all the participants

  • @karimravji386
    @karimravji3867 жыл бұрын

    I find atheists even better human beings than some who claim to be spiritual. I believe that religion teaches you to be a good human being. my sister in law does not believe in GOD but she does what we are told to do in our religion without being part of the religion. She is more GODLY than many of us who proclaim to be religious.

  • @Atomizer360
    @Atomizer3609 ай бұрын

    Opaque money

  • @MrScipio2011
    @MrScipio20114 жыл бұрын

    Some people have a great imagination.

  • @hassanhooshmand2710
    @hassanhooshmand27107 жыл бұрын

    any system of spirituality that is ordered and has a priest is no longer gnostic.

  • @GnosticWisdomNetwork

    @GnosticWisdomNetwork

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your opinion!

  • @12345678967090
    @123456789670903 жыл бұрын

    Bringing up well suited booted guy won't change the Violence pages if Islam.

  • @saboury
    @saboury5 жыл бұрын

    Khalil andali mor rohani barakat 4 U. In reality. U R not speaking.. ... Mawla is speaking. It is to high 4 .....

  • @tarigmergani3903
    @tarigmergani39037 жыл бұрын

    there are many misconceptions in your talk,,,, first we need to understand the difference between prophets and other people whether they are imams,scholars or authority figures. its mentioned in quran that all prophets have a direct communication with god, and when i say communication its different than inspiration which may be a hunch or a Dream, instead god communicate with prophets through angels like jbreel, or in other cases by talking directly to the prophet like the case of Moses, so talking to allah is a characteristic of prophets, and since prophet mohamed is the last messenger and prophet of allah no buddy can talk or takes orders and commands from god anymore......its normal to say that allah is the only one who can add or change rules, lows and practices in islam since the religion is from him, in fact even prophets cant change or add stuff from their selves, you will say that prophet used to set rules in many haddeths that are not mentioned in the Quran, the explanation for this is in the Quran 53:3-5,(Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination,It is not but a revelation revealed), this bring us to the first point, cuz he is a prophet he communicate with allah, and when he add or prescribe something its just another form of allah revelation and since the source of the commands and orders is the same, its very logical that haddeth can be treated like quran when it comes to legislation, and i challenge any person to come with a haddeth saheeh that contradict the quran cuz god cant contradict him self. Because there is no more a direct communication with god that a person can get new orders from allah, no one can change or remove anything from the religion cuz it not a man made religion its a god made religion, if allah wanted to change or add something he would have sent prophets like he did before, before prophet mohamed islam was evolving, for example in the quran allah mentioned that Ibrahim asked his father and his people to just believe in one god, he didnt ask them to pray,fast,etc while Jesus asked his people a lot more than only believing in one god, so prophets were sent to add basics and practices little by little so at the end the process is done gradually and smoothly, when the last messenger came he put the last pillars and principles for the religion, allah said in quran 5:3 (This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion) this verse stated that the process of building the religion has come to the end and at this point the religion is perfect(no more adding or editing is required) for the nations and times to come( the prophet died 3 months after this verse has been revealed). So the imam has no right in changing what allah has set like the prayer, most ismaili people dont wash before prayer which contradict verse 5:6, it true that allah didnt mention the details of how to pray but he mentioned the general method in quran 22:77 that it consist of bowing and prostrate, ismailis decided to cancel this part which means canceling this verse of the quran, they also contradict the verse in 2:144 which state the direction of praying, verse 11:114 and 20:130 together state 5 prayers a day another contradiction, i dont know whether god changed his mind and send his angle to the imam to inform him of the updated islam or the imam change whatever he doesnt like. another point is the hajj, there is a whole chapter in quran talks about hajj, imam changed the holly place of allah (mecca) to jamat khan, contradicting quran in 2:96 and 22:29. You said in verse 4:59 we have to obey authority figures(imams), in this verse we need to explain 2 points, First which muslims leader or imam should we follow?is he the leader in saudi arabia or the one in Iran or the aga khan or others, there are many authority figures in this time since there is no one big united Islamic country like it used to be, you will say to me the one from the prophet descendants, here i disagree with you, Muslim imam should has 2 qualities,leadership and iman(strong faith), and you knows that faith is in the heart not in the blood, to support my claim, if you read the quran you find out that ibrahim is from a disbeliever father, while prophet noah's son is a disbeliever even tho his father is a prophet, allah mentioned these stories to teach us that it doesnt matter who your father is, what really matter is how is you heart. Ironically the ayah you used( 2:124) to support the heredity issue clarifies that its not heredity, when ibrahim asked god to make his descendants leaders allah responded ''My covenant does not include the wrongdoers." which means it depend on how strong their faith is.The second point in explaining the verse about obeying authority figures is, allah said obey god, prophet and the one with authority( lets call him imam), what should we do if imam words and order oppose allah orders in quran ( like in prayer and hajj)? who should i obey? the answer is simple, you obey the greater, the one who set the religion allah. now ismaili imam oppose quran and his followers decided to obey him and disobey allah word in quran! subhanallah!....when i besieged an ismaili person the last thing he says: imam understand quran better than you, is quran made for one person to understand or its to all people? why do you block and underestimate the mind god gave you to understand his words and religion, some verse in quran are clear,other need interpretation(ta'wi) from experts due to language issues,context issues or maybe there is a story behind it or a haddth that explain it,the knowledge of interpenetrating quran is not concentrated just in one person cuz knowledge is universal.

  • @mohamedshamim9558

    @mohamedshamim9558

    5 жыл бұрын

    hmm....u just wont change nor did listen to him...

  • @sdsfgsty

    @sdsfgsty

    4 жыл бұрын

    Agree with you %100 brother. Your explanation is well presented and right to the point. Ismaelis are way out of the fold of Islam. They got it wrong real bad! They are all about convenience, it seems.

  • @sammerchant4924

    @sammerchant4924

    3 жыл бұрын

    When prophet Ibrahim asked Allah to make his descendants Imam...Allah clarified the prophets prayers to make us aware not all children of his progeny will be on straight path some will be wrongdoers...and we all know that even prophets had children who went astray and where the wrongdoers...Allahs promise to Prophet Ibrahim is conditional to his blood line who are on the straight path....On your second point why Imam are needed to interpret the Quran...the answer is simple you and I believe in Allah because of the prophet...Prophet was interpreting the Quran to his people though it was sent in Arabic which was the local language...There was no one beside him who people would go to for clarification...same is true today for Ismailis the interpretation of the Quran (Tariqa )according to the time is done by no one other than the living Imam.

  • @dalibansunnahtv
    @dalibansunnahtv4 жыл бұрын

    Ismaili are not a Muslim at all

  • @ghazikhan4604

    @ghazikhan4604

    3 жыл бұрын

    Who were Fatimids? First study about islam than talks about.

  • @nawles1

    @nawles1

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes they are, I've seen their certificates!