This young man is worth his weight in gold. His knowledge is vast, and his presentation unbiased and fluent without any superfluous data. He is better than any orthodox Sunni or Shia Maulavi who puts on airs of knowledge and tries to persuade listeners rather than transmit information. Religion should be taught as a subject, and not in order to proselytize any particular faith; and he is teaching better than anyone else through his lectures. I have learnt so much from the series he is making.

@abdullahshahj7194

2 жыл бұрын

Cargo cult basically

@MrHermes111

2 жыл бұрын

Such an Ismaili position hhhah … are you actually asking for truth?!

@Xaviergonzalez85

2 жыл бұрын

@@abdullahshahj7194 "The Wahhabi Myth" by Haneef James Oliver

@varun76890

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrHermes111 How is saying "you should explain what a different sect is about and their point of view before shitting on it and saying why it sucks" an Ismaili thing? Whenever I try to look up info about any view opposing the orthodox one in islam I get some imam telling me they are the worst and will burn in hell before explaining what it is.

@MrHermes111

2 жыл бұрын

@@varun76890 totally agree with you. That should be the standard in Islam. Until we open up to the fact that we do not know, we will never know.

A point to note: Shias also have 5 prayers but they choose to combine the 2nd and the 3rd, and the 4th and the 5th. This is why they pray 3 times a day.

@gangstanongrata

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and many Shias (like myself) do not combine the prayers and pray at 5 times.

@UmarKhan-me9uu

3 жыл бұрын

@Ayesha Binte Halala I don't know the answer to any of these questions. Nor is any muslim required to know the answers to these questions. As a muslim, my primary concern should be to live my life to the best of my ability in complete submission to God in accordance with the duties obligated upon me by God (Allah SWT) through His beloved prophet Mohammad (SAW). Because, as a muslim, I know for a fact that I will be held accountable for my deeds (actions) in this life on the day of Judgement.

@shahanmirza5183

3 жыл бұрын

Quran mentions 3 by name similar to Torah.

@shahanmirza5183

3 жыл бұрын

Salat Al Fajr, Salat Al Wusta and Salat Al Isha. (24:58 & 2:238)

@forgottennations8523

3 жыл бұрын

Ahmed Dakhlallah, sunnah.com/muslim/6/59 Shi'a is right end of story.

I spent some time with Ismailis in North Pakistan, they were a really interesting and kind group of people who really valued education and equality.

@blacksheep6174

3 жыл бұрын

Yup They are Well Educated and Inspirational.

@supermedia7978

3 жыл бұрын

We are telling about praying. And they don t do it. I know they help each other, put money together...

@HassanUmer

3 жыл бұрын

@@supermedia7978 AOA www.theislamicmonthly.com/understanding-ismaili-muslim-theology-practice/

@supermedia7978

3 жыл бұрын

@@HassanUmer but they don t pray like the other muslim

@HassanUmer

3 жыл бұрын

@@supermedia7978 lol ab iska jwab to sirf ismaili de skta mein khud ahle sunnat ka hu ❣️

Spent almost 9 months with the Ismailis in Tajikistan and can say they are lovely people, have a interesting faith, a generous imam and beautiful art.

@rocknroll1870

3 жыл бұрын

They are very tiny minority. Even if even 10% of population of the world is like them then this world would be a better place .

@farhadkarim5848

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@DystopiatoReason

2 жыл бұрын

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@O-oo3uu

2 жыл бұрын

Ismailis are deviants may Allah guide them to Islam.

@farangisganjavi6114

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your compliment . Hello from Tajikistan 🇹🇯

(*disclaimer: I'm an Ismaili, this is in to response to all comments calling my faith deviant, wrong, or anything similar. Always remember, Allah loves you.*): Allah loves all of his creations. If Allah did not want us to choose how we serve, worship, and love him then why give us reason, logic, knowledge, and life? Allah's creations are no deviants, many of us are just caught up in our faith we forget the truth of Allah: He loves us all, no matter what. It's what makes Allah truly divine.

@kindlyafroditi9204

Жыл бұрын

What the point of religion if we csn choose anything.. complete nonsensical logic..

@MsKnowitall

Жыл бұрын

@@kindlyafroditi9204 you just answered your own question.

@kindlyafroditi9204

Жыл бұрын

@@MsKnowitall how?? Its a cult based on lies and desires ismailis thats a fact throughout the fact established

@Traplicano

Жыл бұрын

Allah does not love bidah or shirk. Your religion is a mess please come back to the truth

@HussainAli-hk3yc

Жыл бұрын

Well, the word deviant itself is very tricky. Even among the Hanafi school of thought within Sunni Islam , the Barelvis and Deobandis consider each other deviant. Salafis consider all the other sects deviant ( some are lesser , others are more deviant , according to them). I’m not an Islami or a Sunni or a Twelver . Being follower of a Sufi sect , I truly believe that Allah loves his creatures without any discrimination.

Great and thorough insight! Greetings from Ismaili of Central Asia

@alamutnews5632

2 жыл бұрын

YA Ali Madad

@MR-nj2pq

2 жыл бұрын

Ya Ali madad brother from India🇮🇳

@manjurhassan7703

2 жыл бұрын

Allahu Akbar. There is no God but Allah and Muhammad PBHU is his last messenger. Everything else is later innovation and bidaa (polytheism). May Allah SWT guide you to the right path of Quran and Sunnah.

@extremistterrorist

Жыл бұрын

@@manjurhassan7703 there is no right way except following Islam at first so keep your praying to yourself

Amazing video. As an Ismaili this means a lot to me. Thank you so much for this!

@emkfenboi

3 жыл бұрын

Heretic

@aamirhooda937

3 жыл бұрын

@@emkfenboi bruh

@emkfenboi

3 жыл бұрын

@@aamirhooda937 Bruh , you are a heretic fr.

@danishvaliani3383

3 жыл бұрын

@@emkfenboi Proof of heretic-ism: worshiping devil kzread.info/dash/bejne/g6iTu7aBlberXaw.html

@emkfenboi

3 жыл бұрын

@@danishvaliani3383 wow bruh ! you are a genius

Thanks for brief introduction. I myself am an Ismaili muslim, many brothers comparing us to their own faith which is not fair as we know there are more then 72 secrets in Islam. That's because there are certainly differences. Brelvis and Devbandis within Sunny islam have also huge difference of opinion. So it's what it is chill out and get more informed about each other.

@tabrazbaloch

3 жыл бұрын

You from Hunza?

@C4smoke

3 жыл бұрын

But why not just be a Muslim, without additional terms. Muslim by Quran and Most correct hadith. very simple., dont take islam from elders that create their own methods.

@maruf16khan

3 жыл бұрын

@@C4smoke there are many who reject hadiths.

@C4smoke

3 жыл бұрын

@@maruf16khan on what basis? If you are a Muslim means you believe that Mohammed was gods messenger so you should at least try to follow his words that coincide with Quran to the best of your ability instead of following a random human and naming your religion after them. If you have doubt in the chain so that you think the hadith maybe didn't reach you correctly then go study science of hadiths and how delicate it is. Better than any journalist can imagine.

@maruf16khan

3 жыл бұрын

​@@C4smoke not me bro, I am a sunni. I know how hadiths are graded and studied. I mean to say that there are many muslims that believe the hadiths have been corrupted, even the sahih ones. The shias too only believe in certain hadiths.

Salaam Filip, I felt so compelled to let you know that your video has moved me immensely and that the content of your video has captivated my mind. Many thanks, xx

the unbiased, pure and distilled knowlede in this man's videos as far more than any mulla maulvi i've known. Religion should be imparted as unbiased facts and reasons, and it should be left to listening how to incorporate that in their life.

Really impressed by the depth of your knowledge. Well researched and amazingly articulated. Very authentic source used for research too ! Kudos !

You explain complex issues with such simplicity. It's amazing! Thank you

@DystopiatoReason

2 жыл бұрын

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Thank you very much young man for this great lecture on Ismail-ism and keep it up with this good work of yours!

I am new to your channel and am really impressed by your knowledge and unbiased delivery. Thank you.

I am a Dawoodi Bohra and this video is so very well explained! Good job!

@creamesoda79

3 жыл бұрын

I'm Nizari, and very much agree, faiths are much more diverse than we often appreciate: A wonderfully broad overview.

@romeoruleszful

3 жыл бұрын

@Ayesha Jamal Halala ru by the answer you going to decide ? Which one is the right path , how about the Animal are they following Right Allah ru sure ? Something is wrong up there 👆 in ur head , laughing 😆 reading ur questions by the way

@ahsanvideos837

2 жыл бұрын

I'm nizari

@allee3476

Жыл бұрын

I am Muslim

@groundzero5708

Жыл бұрын

@@allee3476 u r sunni . now cry

You should do a video on Ismaili cosmology.

I consider myself a twelver shia but i believe a little bit of sunni and sufi influence has enter the twelvers culture , i personaly find some of the ismaili ideas so much appealing to my views of islam

Im Sunni and I totally 100% agree with al'Muizz about the revelation having to be "straightenned" or formed into some tangible applicable thing, because the pure revelatory intuition is very difficult to describe in words.. I also believe its the same function at work when a Poet is writing something beautiful but at a much greter scale. Also its the same function as Freud used to interperate dreams. And there is a Sahih Hadith in Imam Malik's Muwatta that the Prophet SAWS said "A good Dream from which you derive benefit is 1 fourtey-seventh of Prophethood"

@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200

3 жыл бұрын

I definitely do not agree that the Prophet "recieved it into his intellect", intellect is a tiny narrow little tool of the Soul.. That is almost an insult lol when God speaks he should shine his light on every branch of the Soul

Great video. Loved your research, clarity of the ideas and flow of presentation. Keep up the good work.

at around 18:20 you talk about explaining the development of Islamic Orthodoxy. PLEASE do make a video on it! Great content!

This is the best so far good discussion about Islam even I heard. Good work.

Proud to be an ismaili Muslim. Thank you for sharing brother.

Well done! Thanks for making this kind of videos. Your words are coherent and very clear.

I very much enjoy your openess and objective study and presention on different interpretations of Islamic Faith.

By far, one of your most interesting and informative talks. I am impressed. Thank you.

I am a Muslim but don’t follow any particular school of Islam for a while I have been reading and researching different sects of Islam by far Ismaili Muslims are the most in lighted and liberal Muslims I have came across if Ismailis were the majority of the Muslims instead of the Sunnis,Muslim society would have been most in lighted and educated people in the world.

@mt000mp

2 жыл бұрын

u mean gay liberal and an imam that fiddles with women ?

@mahrammehmonov5482

2 жыл бұрын

What do you mean saying gay?

@zoyaahmad4822

2 жыл бұрын

Not actually, our Muslim community suffering backwardness mainly cause of this "najdi project of Saudi " or ignorance towards the "importance of knowledge" emphasized in islam and many aren't even religious nowadays,,, or back then Muslims of saudi, Persia (well who follow sunni islam) are leading world in science,philosophy and all subjects,architecture and even in spirituality (sufis), the main cause of backwardness is fall of caliphate and rise of Wahabi ideology and many politicalmovements in the reign of britishers.... even there is a hadith, beloved prophet (S.A.W) said on salman-al-farsi r.a(persian) -: "if knowledge were suspended in the highest part of heavens the people of his community (persians) would attain it... and the Golden Era of islam is the proof.... Persians or golden Era of islam did so much for islam and in my thought true follower of islam as well.... wahhabism and fall of caliphate cause a biggest backlash in our society... but whatever, I don't believe in denominations that we've made , we are only Muslims and our Lord Allah s.w.t, Our Basics, our Messenger is all same,just we all have different opinions and that's a natural thing.

@shaneslr9123

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair majority of muslims are only sunni on paper . I have studied sunni schools a bit and i realized many sunnis are not actually sunnis . They are just neutral muslims (they themselves think sunni means neutral muslim)

@art5742

2 жыл бұрын

You are saying you are Muslim without knowing anything? In Islam knowledge is first then practice. Try to learn more.

I am an Ismaili from India. Interesting information on my faith.

@danishabdullah7936

3 жыл бұрын

Some more information: Witness by sunni Ali is speaking Quran kzread.info/dash/bejne/eZumtLyzgbapgKw.html

@ThamizhanDaa1

3 жыл бұрын

Ghar wapsi bro

@maruf16khan

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThamizhanDaa1 come on man not here, pls.

@ThamizhanDaa1

3 жыл бұрын

@@maruf16khan Ghar wapsi is happening..

@maruf16khan

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThamizhanDaa1 if people wanna convert to hinduism or whatever I don't care. Please stop saying these stupid things everywhere.

Religion is very dynamic and vibrant, engenders a multitude of outlooks about our social and political lives. In these days of Ramadan, I am very fond of your contents, learning a lot new about as well as refashioning of many religious subjects I think i know. One thing I would like to request you is to make a video on the Sunni firqa of islam and it's sub-sects. As an avid learner, it will be fascinating to have an acute historical account of the subject, as the subject is not a monolithic homogenous belief, as you said, but a multifaceted historical phenomenon.

As usual a thought provoking and very eloquently presented explaination Have decided to listen to at least one presentation by you daily Thank you Stay Blessed

@DystopiatoReason

2 жыл бұрын

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Thank you again, so very informative.

Guys i m ismali & i feel proud by reading comment section 😍😍 Thank you all for your lovely comments.

@DystopiatoReason

2 жыл бұрын

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@amirschwarzenegger4740

2 жыл бұрын

Where are you from bro i am İsmaili too

@MR-nj2pq

2 жыл бұрын

@@amirschwarzenegger4740 I am from India ..You ?

@ahsanvideos837

Жыл бұрын

@@MR-nj2pq I'm from chitral Ismaili

@Bundpataka

Жыл бұрын

@@ahsanvideos837 I have one question, what do Ismailis and twelvers think of each-other?

Even if half of muslims are as enlightened as Ismailis this world would be a better place to live in. They donate for the social welfare of the humanity rising above their caste & cutting across region/ religious belief .

@bilalrahman2786

2 жыл бұрын

Hell no, we like putting the fear of God in to the west

@RethinkingIsmailism

2 жыл бұрын

How come Ismailis are "enlightened"? How do you define that word?

@Ahmed-ef6ss

2 жыл бұрын

@@bilalrahman2786 the west doesn't fear your non existent God. They fear what you delusional bunch might do to the great secular enlightenment values that built the west.

@bilalrahman2786

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ahmed-ef6ss "The great secular enlightenment values" Lol 😆 🤣 😂 and what values are those. The most nuclear weapons, the most weapons made and sold, the most deaths caused directly and indirectly I can keep going. Just because you chose to turn a blind eye to what your values really stand for doesn't make it right.

@Ahmed-ef6ss

2 жыл бұрын

@@bilalrahman2786 the values stand for great things. Not following what the values represent does not mean the values are flawed.

Hmm interesting 🙂🙂🤔... I am a muslim, but get a lot of information about islam through your videos... Yeah, because we tend to get information just about our own school of thought... And turns out there are so many schools of thought/ sects with different approach on many stuff.. I guess we should respect each other believe.. 👍

@budeelgroupllc6744

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed brother, and when stick to our own school of thought, we tend to believe, it's US only.

@kimasbubbke8394

2 жыл бұрын

@@budeelgroupllc6744 that's why you should read, the information presented here is nothing new and have been written about centuries ago even by Sunni Muslims, books brother Read then Read Then Read more.

@tinkerbell9282

9 ай бұрын

All the muslim communities agree that ahmadis and Ismailis are not a part of islam

Your channel introduces a very well briefed presentation, that suggests digging farther in research regarding religion in general. Though, to know well about a religion, especially Islam, one have to study the Holly Book of that faith (Qura’an in Islam).

@lorinapetranova2607

3 жыл бұрын

And at least have a basic knowledge of the Hadiths and Sharia law. Best also to know some history. A person could spend their entire life learning about Islam and the various aspects of the Muslim world and still pass from this physical world ignorant. If one understands humility and that learning is a lifelong endeavor then you understand what I am trying to convey.

@Xaviergonzalez85

2 жыл бұрын

@@lorinapetranova2607 "The Wahhabi Myth" by Haneef James Oliver

@lorinapetranova2607

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xaviergonzalez85 thanks for the recommendation. I am almost convinced that the early Saudi family sold their souls to the devil in order to maintain a monarchy. I get that probably is controversial but I'm just expressing my opinion based on study. Take care n stay healthy.

Hi, I am sunni Arab. In the sunni world the most thing that we take against shai is the saying that the imams can not do wrong. In sunni islam every muslim is a sinner even the first caliphs and everybody. I think this is the biggest issue between the tow branches. And thank you for your research. With love from Jordan❤.

@kareemtheeb1478

4 жыл бұрын

And the sunni idea regarding the quraan is that the quraan comes from the knowledge of God thus can't be something created.

@LetsTalkReligion

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting point, it is true that a central doctrine of shiism is the idea of the infallability of the imams. Thanks for sharing!

@aadamrehman4812

3 жыл бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion yes within Shi'ism this a central part of their faith the infallibility of the imaans.

@commercialandresidentialpl7337

3 жыл бұрын

Selam Kareem, the People of the Cloak (Ahlul Kisa) have been cleansed of sin according to the Holy Qur'an (33:33), The Ahlul Kisa were brought by the Prophet pbuh for the Mubahala. The doors to the masjid were left unlocked after Allah swt decree in the Qur'an. I am from Bosnia and used to belong to the Hanafi madhab. Selam

@yasminea7149

3 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily every Muslim is a sinner but can potentially sin because they are human; so no human being is infallible including imams, sheikhs, etc.

I love your sayings, i like to say i am some sort of scholar and you are so always riggt 🙏🏽❤️

your arguments are very much valid.

Surah al maidah phrase 15 16 states Allah had left the light and book and the light still exist in human form but unidentified untill the close of qayamat.. Proud to be ismaili the straight path of islam

Proud to be ismaili.... Light upon light body decays but noor shines time after time

This is actually really interesting about Ismailism. Their whole neoplatonic ideas actually make a lot of sense when explaining a lot of the metaphysical aspects of Islam. I think Sufis have similar views, however, they are forced to conceal it, given the persecution at the hands of the traditionalist totalitarians, which still supresses these views.

@LetsTalkReligion

4 жыл бұрын

Many of the Sufis were influenced to neoplatonism. As were the majority of the philosophers and even theologians. It was a widespread philosophy in the middle ages especially! While persecution happened from time to time of course, we must also remember that Sufism for the most of history was basically the majority form of Islam. In the later middle ages it was so popular that it wouldn't make sense to talk about persecution as such. Sufism has never been, contrary to popular belief, some small and obscure sect of Islam. Until the late 19th century it was widely accepted and practiced, and was often supported by the state (with the exception of Safavid Iran). And even when they were persecuted, it was rarely for neoplatonism but many other factors. As I said, neoplatonism was very popular in intellectual circles and widely applied to different degrees. Of course some would criticize it and be sceptical, but that fact in itself rarely was the source of oppression.

@kuroazrem5376

4 жыл бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion well there were some executions of sufis, like for example Mansur al Hallaj, who was killed for saying "I am the truth". Many sufis were forced to conceal their true beliefs to avoid that fate.

@LetsTalkReligion

4 жыл бұрын

@@kuroazrem5376 Yes I'm not denying that there were persecutions, although executions were extremely rare. There is also scholarly doubt about Hallaj being ececuted for that phrase. Many believe his execution was for other, political, reasons.

@kuroazrem5376

4 жыл бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion well religion and politics go hand in hand, as the religious legitimacy was political legitimacy, and as such his excecution was obviously political

@cumar9875

10 ай бұрын

​@@kuroazrem5376you're murtad not even sufi you're from gulat

There was a time not many years ago where I was held in thrall of Islam, the Ismaili school especially. It was and remains the perfect religion for my temperament and attitude. However, as i live in a predominately Protestant Christian part of the U.S., it was very difficult to get the support and community I needed. Wish this video had been around at the time.

The prophet died without leaving any successor and left it for the ummah and the council to decide. The Prophet did not chose a successor because later on it'll eventually lead to people selecting their own families as leaders and not people who are actually worthy to lead. This really happened during the Umayyad dynasty where the leadership was hereditary which led to alot of conflicts and problems that never existed before. Abubakar was chosen by the council and muslim Ummah and Abubakar fit every condition required for one to become a leader. Ali himself pledged allegiance to the first three Rashidun caliphs which clearly shows that the Shia have no real argument since the person they claim as the rightful heir pledged allegiance to the three caliphs himself without being forced.

@bizmich_

5 ай бұрын

Ali pledged allegiance for one reason: to prevent war within the Muslim world. Ali was the wisest among the caliphs.

Outstanding. All religions emerged to solve problems. And all their denominations as well. For that, they should be graciously thanked and commended by all. Let the believers choose according to preference and respect the preferences of all. But don't hurt the women. That's all I humbly ask. 💙🙏

@alhilya

3 жыл бұрын

Not all but some of them did

I would argue that actually you can limit the scope of an ideology instead of allowing later interpretations to anachronistically redefine its scope. IMO this is also the case with religions (here as a subset of ideology). The best that a scholar of a particular ideology can do is to interpret the ideas brought forth by the originator, and this interpretation shouldn't be viewed as a redefinition of that particular ideology, but merely as an interpretation. Taking this, no one but the originator have the full right of dictating what he/she meant. To explain the reason why I would argue so is as follows. Suppose p is the originator of ideology P, to simplify discussion. The approach of scholars, q, r and s say, might all be different, and might even be contradictory. If p, q, r, s are all allowed to anachronistically redefine P, then P is contradictory, hence undermines the idea of p. What is left is to classify the approaches of interpretation, and call it as such. Assume q takes a literal approach, r takes logical approach, s takes correctional approach, or successors interpretation etc, then we allow q,r,s to be P', where P' is not strictly equivalent to P, but equivalent in some sense, say f(P') = P, where f is just a representation of an interpretation. Of course p is temporally and spatially limited, so we could argue that strict P as understood by p, is also limited. But different f's where P' intersects with P are subsets of P. It can be the case that for all x in P' implies x in P, it can also be the case that there exist x in P' such that x is not in P, and there can also be the case that for all x in P', x is not in P, that is a complete reformulation of an ideology. "Correct" then can be interpreted as these varying intersections and I would consider them a correct use of this particular adjective on elements of sets rather than sets. I would prefer quantitative terms to express P'-sets instead of "correct" or "wrong". Only in this sense that I disagree with your statement that ideologies are not monolithic. In this particular discussion for example, you can say Islam is a set of beliefs, rulings, and rituals, on the domain of human experience, defined by Mohammad. Mohammad died, so the set is finite. The madhahib and manahij of scholars are ideologies that intersects with what Mohammad defined. Some have huge number of common elements, some have but few, but they all cannot anachronistically redefine what Mohammad came with. Which is why many of the fatwas and rulings ended by the term "Allah knows best". Christianity for example is redefined throughout its history anachronistically. I'm not arguing that this is bad etc, but the study of christian jurisprudence or theology or christology in general will be warring claims rather than a study and will have limited validity as far as systematic study goes. It is better to say that todays interpretation is a set which might or might not intersect with the set of ideas that Jesus (the originator) had. Then do research on how the two sets intersect. To wrap up, who represents an ideology? The analytically examined historical records of the originator. If the originator is dead, then no living scholar can rightly represent the ideology except as a flavour, or interpretation of the originator. The extent of the interpretation's intersection with the original in one sense or the other is then where scholars reside. Whether or not ideas exist throughout history says nothing about the original "creed" if you will, but rather the intersection as I mentioned. Of course when the historical analysis is severely limited or the narrative analysis is rejected within some paradigm (isma'iliya's rejection of many narrators of hadiths for example) the scope of original set will shrink, and be can even be so small that many addition is required to form a coherent ideology. So it makes sense to annex new ideologies and claim that it is original. So for example Marx's manifesto alone is clearly not enough to form a coherent ideology, and it won't be fair to Marx if we say that Mao or Stalin represents his ideology by anachronistically redefine Marxism. These are however only my opinion on the matter. I love your videos and I think you have a wonderful way of explaining these concepts. I look forward to enjoy more educational and intellectual videos from you. I'm sorry if its in any way offensive, and I hope you can see it as an attempt to open up some intellectual discussion.

@LetsTalkReligion

5 жыл бұрын

My goodness, this has to be the best KZread comment I've ever seen. I appreciate the kind words at the end, and I am not offended in any way. Quite the contrary actually, part of the reason why I make these videos is to open up discussions. You make some excellent points and I think we are in agreement for the most part; the point I was trying to make in the video was precisely your point that "no living scholar can rightly represent the ideology except as a flavor, or interpretation of the originator" and that this includes those scholars that represent what we would understand as "orthodoxy". My personal starting point is that religions are ultimately social constructs (without necessarily negating the validity of their teachings) and that, as you pointed out, in the case of Islam only Muhammad can truly know what he himself actually meant and any later attempts to understand what "Islam" is comes down to the interpretations of human beings. The Isma'ilis felt like a good example (plus, I really wanted to make a video about them in any case) to show that an extreme minority group with wildly different opinions on some points are still based on (at least some) of the same sources, in this case the Qu'ran and the Prophet Muhammad, and to make the point that none of the different interpretations of those sources can claim with certainty to represent the original intent. That isn't to say that some interpretations may not be more closely aligned to this original intent, but there is no way of knowing for sure and therefore extreme generalizations should always be avoided. It is not a total critique of describing a religion by a certain set of beliefs or practices, indeed very few (if any) Muslims would disagree with the shahada for example, but I was trying to open up for a bit more nuanced and open discussion regarding representation and state my opinion that it is dangerous to make generalizations that don't keep this in mind. I hope I didn't misunderstand your points, feel free to correct me if so :)

@hotpeachtea3246

5 жыл бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion Thank you for your response. I agree that Isma'ilis are in fact a good example of the point you're making (beside being an interesting interpretation in itself). And I'm very happy that my opinion is mostly aligned with what you're saying, (I saw that you're a scholar). Hoping to learn more from your videos. I have something that is almost always happens with religions and this "anomaly" if you will, bugs me TBH. That the originators, instead of coming up with something that's popular (in the sense of being appealing and acceptable by the population), they come up with something that is against the grain. In fact many of them come at a time of some form of popular "equilibrium" of hierarchies, just to disrupt these. I can see that these "ideological revolutions", for lack of better words, slowly become social norms, but they aren't initially so, at least for early christians and early muslims. Maybe in some future videos you can shed some light on these cases, because they are not the case with ideologies in general. Most ideologies already have some social basis when they started out, the originators are the mediums for the popular voices that are already there in ideologies in general. As far as religions go, at least to my reading, this has not been the case, and I have no idea how to reconcile this with my conviction that ideologies are social constructs. Maybe in one one of your future videos if you have the time and energy, you can shed some light on this. I'm very grateful for this video, very grateful for the kind reply, and I hope to learn more from this channel.

@LetsTalkReligion

5 жыл бұрын

@@hotpeachtea3246 Interesting point! I would say that it is only partly true. Many of the "originators" like Muhammad or Jesus often come with an ideology or message that makes total sense if one view the historical context in which they appear. It is usually in hindsight that this picture of a radical, sudden change starts to be painted to give it more weight and to make a clear separation of "before/after". We can see the same with the Enlightenment in Europe often being depicted as this sudden turning point from ignorance to "light", while in reality it was a gradual process I think in the case of many religions, this narrative is perhaps applied after the fact. It is a very interesting subject for a video, might actually do that in the future, thanks!

@azanpradhan458

4 жыл бұрын

Let's Talk Religion really amazing video. I am Ismaili myself and it’s really hard when people don’t really understand different sects of Islam

@esotericwisdom49

4 жыл бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion thanks sir appreciated ♥️

Beautifully explained. The Ismaili may well have felt outrage. Being atheist agnostic I also want to feel outrage at those who claim to be prophets of god..but yet it softens to pure incredulity. I appreciate the wisdom and research on your channel. Thank you

@faristasairuv5143

2 жыл бұрын

🙄

I would like to say that I find your channel and videos simply illuminating! I am a converted Muslim, initiated into Islam by a Burhaniya member and somebody who later became a Quranite. I quickly moved into a modern Salafi school of thought, the one based predominantly on a lineage of Saudi state scholars. After spending quite some years in this domain, I felt disenchanted with this religious philosophy and the state of my own moral and spiritual person which started my 'descent' into agnosticism and secular political ideology. Feeling again disappointed with my highly secularized and degenerated spirituality together with a broken private life, I longed for a way to reconcile with religion and I slowly migrated back to Sunni Islam. This time a version of Islam that is more tempered between taqlid, ijtihad, tawasuf, kalam, modernism, traditionalism, philosophy, rationalism, (personal) spirituality, pragmatism, history, politics, comparative religion and any other way that is or will be important to me. And I am now a quite more happier and balanced Muslim in both Western and Muslim pluralistic dimensions. And to actually get an understanding of all of the aforementioned concepts in a broader, open minded and academic context, I have in part your video's to thank for that! From a Sufi, to a Salafi Muslim, to a Salafi-resenting agnostic, and after a long time back to being a Muslim with an open mind to both Sufism and Salafism and many more interpretations and ways in Islam and other religions and philosophies for that matter. Again thank you for your great channel!

@user-lo3er3th8g

Жыл бұрын

Alhamdulillah thanks for sharing your journey, Allah has indeed guided u and being a little open minded is the best way to go

I am Ismaili myself and it’s sad to see people who go against us particularly different beliefs of Islam

@LetsTalkReligion

4 жыл бұрын

I'm sad to hear that you experience this as well. You have a wonderfully rich and interesting tradition.

@azanpradhan458

4 жыл бұрын

Let's Talk Religion thank you so much that means a lot. Do you have whatsapp or iMessage? Would love to chat

@mikenogozones

4 жыл бұрын

I never heard of your faith until I traveled to Syria to film a documentary. Stay strong.

@aliaatirkhowaja8672

4 жыл бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion Thank You :)

@azanpradhan458

4 жыл бұрын

@Alawite Muslim Defence League thank you so much

I have read and compared the books that Swedish High school pupils have in comparative religion and the explanations offered in them feel largely simplistic and monolithic. Others might argue that is not the aim of the course to give specialised knowledge but I think the books give a biased and sometimes confusing view of the religions. Once I wanted to become a high school teacher but reading those made me feel unmotivated. What do you think? How should a high school book in religion be written?

@LetsTalkReligion

4 жыл бұрын

You're right, much of the school books on religion is very simplified. But at the same time, they have to be. I'm sure there's a balance that can be reached somehow. For example, some books tend to portray religion as being in the past. In one it said "Muslims prayed five times a day" which seems to forget that they still do. That could be a good start, by showing how religion is something that is alive and relevant today, not just the past.

@ritawilbur7343

2 жыл бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion I have taught "World Religions" for ten years at the college level, which might (?) be a little more sophisticated than a high school? But still, it's a lot to pack into only 16 weeks. I always teach at least a taste on some of the many variations within any one religion, and whenever my students say something like, "What do Hindus believe?" I'll say, "They believe many different things." Even college students still tend to view religions as a monolith, but I do my best to show them that no religion is static, and there have been many variations throughout time and place. Nevertheless, while there are many forms of Islam, it is also definitely possible to distinguish them from the many forms of Christianity. There are core elements that are present, although the interpretation of those elements vary widely.

I am excited to hear more about the formation of Islamic orthodoxy from your viewpoint. In my mind, the formation of any religious orthodoxy is an incredibly important process to study in the effort to understand religion's role in human behavior.

Salam. Great speaker great researcher indeed. Allah bless. From Bangladesh.

Wow.... Great presentation

@LetsTalkReligion

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@eggchikan849

3 жыл бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion 3:08 Greatings Thank you for such nice video If am not wrong Shia prayes 5 prayer In 3 times. Unlike sunni prayes 5 prayer in 5 times. But sunni allowes 5 prayers in 3 times in conditions of travelling(safar);rain(matr);khawf (fear/war). Also some allowes in another conditions like mordern day for surgeons etc. You can search jam'u bayn Al salatayn.(combining of prayer) Shia believes without reason 2 prayer can combine. Note:sorry for my English. I'm not native speaker. Wish you a good day.

Hi, have been really enjoying your vids. Would you be able todo a video on the very early sect which existed during the schism. I think the group was called Al-Wadud or something like that. Its a group that believed that religious judgement to God. Thank you

@sifatraihan3455

3 жыл бұрын

The Murjiah?

@k2411871

3 жыл бұрын

@@sifatraihan3455 Sounds like them. Thanks

Can you please provide me with your academic name . I would like to follow your Re-legion Re-Search Articles. Endless thanks for your beautiful human energy.

A short note: Nasir Khusrav before becoming Ismaili missionary belonged to Sunni orthodox. And, not genuinely satisfied with the Sunni understanding of Islam set to his journey to find the real true path (sirat-al-mustaqim), which took him seven years until at last he was presented to the Fatimid Khalif-Imam Mustansir bi-Laah, in whom he found the real true path, for which he set his journey initially.

@randombeats5485

4 ай бұрын

For your correction he was Twelver Shia

Very relevant narrative in contemporary times.

Proud to be Ismaili because we value humanity, respect, peace, and contribute to our country's progress.

The Shahada is really not one of the 5 or 7 pillars but the basis because it is the proclamation of faith. It is the ground where the Pillars will be founded. It holds the Pillars. Without it all that was established on it will collapse. I agree that the Shahada is the foundation of the Pillars and not one of he Pillars. By analogy where are you going to establish the pillars of your house, if it is not on the ground. Just like the Shahada which is the reason ( or ground) to establish your Pillars of Faith.

I think the difference in thoughts (believes) is the beauty that Allah (SWT) has bestowed to humans. But such difference may not be the cause of conflict as it’s an entirely individual’s personal choice and business whom (s)he follows. Your commentary is interesting until comparative definitions and explanations about a particular follower or a group. I think, leave it to the listeners for further research. Or else it’s bit confusing for a naive religious student like me to understand which is the unique sect out of 73, that will enter into Heaven.

@LetsTalkReligion

4 жыл бұрын

What comparative definitions are you refering to?

Thank you for unbiased video

To clarify on the Ismaili pillars, their version of zakat is “dasond” in which funds are given to their one imam as opposed to decentralized forms of charity.

bro do you know about prof allama naseer uddin hunzai? i would suggest you to read his books. he has written more than 150 books on imam including poetry "diwans" in 4 laguages.

@LetsTalkReligion

4 жыл бұрын

I know about him yes :) I have a few of his writings in pdf form but haven't jumped in yet

@riazkarim4974

4 жыл бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion if you will study his books im sure you will understand ismailism in a better way.he is not only an ismaili scholar but also lexicographer.i would request you to make a video on him just as you did on "phir shah nasir khisraw".

@karimali1856

3 жыл бұрын

i have listend to allama hunzai and so many waiz... but until now i dont know how hazar imam become our raaziq... khaaliq... and qayamat k din ka maalik... being a ismaili we always dua from hazar imam... our elders or mukhis etc never says (allah) thay always say mowlana hazar imam ap k gunah maaf kare ... etc

@danishvaliani3383

3 жыл бұрын

@@karimali1856 I had similar feelings till I found that namaz are haram all the time kzread.info/dash/bejne/g6iTu7aBlberXaw.html

@RizwanAli-dk4cb

3 жыл бұрын

Naseer hunzai has nothing to do with ismailism ...he was not ismaili but claimed to be ...

Nice exposition for someone interested in comparative religion.

I love this video. You explained so concisely what Muslims of Sunni orthodoxy ought to understand. There are so many issues today with peoples understanding of the development of Sunni orthodoxy; somehow most are under the illusion that the Quran has been preserved letter for letter since the time of the Prophet Mohammed, that Islam as we have it today, is the Islam which the prophet left for us. Alas it is not.

Thank you for representing as in a right way

Please also cover the Zaydi Shia!

I really like your videos, they are very well researched and unbiased. I used to be a Quranist Muslim, and as such, I felt also close to the Ibadis, but to me the Shias are kind of ok, except for their quasi-messianic beliefs. However, the Sunnis are in my opinion the ones who destroyed Islam, seeing as how they forced Muslims to abandon reason, brought forth an era of ignorance, and gave rise to the totalitarian wahhabi version.

@mt000mp

3 жыл бұрын

You mean khawarij . If sunni destroyed islam it is already destroyed but the fact is not destroyed , i am not sunni nor shia because sect is a cancer in islam I learn every madhab to tackle false teachings and only take their brilliant theosophical ideas.

@kuroazrem5376

3 жыл бұрын

@@mt000mp Kharijites didn't destroy Islam because they were, for the most part, a minority at odds with the governments.

@mt000mp

3 жыл бұрын

@@kuroazrem5376 do you follow madhabs?

@kuroazrem5376

3 жыл бұрын

@@mt000mp I do not. I'm not even Muslim anymore.

@mt000mp

3 жыл бұрын

@@kuroazrem5376 are you from iran?

15:30 Light is metaphor for clarity, understanding as opposed to turbidity.

@yahya2925

2 жыл бұрын

Not just mere intellectual clarity though:)

Peace be upon you Brother... Thanks a lot for your research... But just one correction : Shahada(proclamation of faith) is not a pillar but Eemaan(faith or belif) is the first pillar of Islam.

This is a great production!!! Who is the speaker?

@nadjiguemarful

3 жыл бұрын

You mean the man on the camera? It's his channel I believe he's a scholar in Sufism in particular and also in Religion and Mythology in general

Iam Shia Ismaili Muslim from Tajikistan 🇹🇯 Thank you for your information

@AdamZayn-rp2ei

6 ай бұрын

Where to learn about Ismaili?

@yimulan8343

Ай бұрын

​@@AdamZayn-rp2eiimam

awesome!!!!

Your videos are excellent. Keep up the good work. Please consider making a video on the 12th Imam. Since he is an important part of the Twelvers eschatology, we should know more about him and the beliefs about his reappearance. Thank you.

Enrich the Intellect by looking at stars and contemplate or beat the drump through rhythmic chants let Soul visit those stars. Philosophy and Mysticism is embroidered teaching in Ismaili Doctrine.

@rocknroll1870

3 жыл бұрын

No this has nothing todo with Agakhani Ismailies .

I am the 200th subscriber.. 😂

@LetsTalkReligion

4 жыл бұрын

Yaaay! :D That's awesome. Wish I had some prize for you, but just know that I appreciate it a lot!

@salimullah1155

4 жыл бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion Ah! You replied! Thats a prize..😃 Happy new Year and Good Luck with your youtube channel..

@akbarlakhani6624

3 жыл бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion hey i really like you to make a stream call discussion with a Ismaili scholar i know . HIs name is Khalil Andani . He's got a youtube channel too . You'll be surprised by his explanations.

@LetsTalkReligion

3 жыл бұрын

@@akbarlakhani6624 Me and dr. Andani are familiar with each other. I admire his work a lot, might have him on the channel in the future when I'll do more stuff on Isma'ilism.

@akbarlakhani6624

3 жыл бұрын

@@LetsTalkReligion you know to tell you the truth after the demise of the fatmid era all we ismailis wanted was to be left alone . That's why our leader is neutral on the politics . sure he's got some cases around him but every rich and influential person has things running around themselves . What people don't mention is that he got us out of sticky situation like our exile in Africa . The truth is all this fight over what religion is right or wrong ,the religious disputes we left that non sense decades ago , we just wanna be left alone . Plus you'll be surprised that we're not just arab culture oriented . We adapt to the cultures and norms of the country we inhabit . As a nomad nation we've become more aware about the world . We still are a nation as in people in a single belief , we've got our own flag but we just don't limit ourselves to a single land mass .

I have learned from this chanel, thanks for research. the portrait of Imam Ali you shown is not Imam Ali. that portrait is on iranian gold mints and merchandises. you can see a real discription of him in national museume of Turky

A very informative video on the Ismailis, very appreciative of that. When it comes to making claims especially in religion, the claimant must prove their belief via authentic reliable evidence. It is not a matter of discrimination or otherwise, evidence and unfortunately most if not all of the non-orthodox sects are based on hearsay. If a Muslim’s belief is not coming from the Quran and the Prophetic teachings it is not Islam.

@deeznutz1428

Жыл бұрын

meanwhile most of the orthodox Islam based on later writing which were written after 150-200 years later lol. not to mention how problematic those writing are how unreliable those. orthodox Islam is so much depended on those text that if you take away Quran from them there wouldn't be a that change of their orthodoxy(islam) lol. its easy to call other heretics when you're the majority and history is written by you. go do some research buddy how many century it took your orthodoxy to develop. btw we are seeing how harmful and peaceful are the so called correct Islamic sect(orthodoxy) to this world.

thee most important thing to know that there is only ONE GOD without partners or image...secondly that to worship GOD is to recognize and love GOD.the ONE that created you.....very very simple......no need for priests or smoke or ashes or props...

@KK-fy6xf

3 жыл бұрын

Ismailis find it very hard to understand there is only one Allah! They ask everything from Living Imam.

@rocknroll1870

3 жыл бұрын

@@KK-fy6xf Even their imam believes in one God & His murids seek his 'wasila ' for fulfillment of their wishes .

@KK-fy6xf

3 жыл бұрын

@@rocknroll1870 No need for Wasila. Ask From Allah, and you will understand. Allah says in Al Quran, call upon me and I will respond. Check it out. No middle man, I do direct dealing!!

@rocknroll1870

3 жыл бұрын

@@KK-fy6xf Then all dargahs must be closed as more than 60% muslims visit & pray for the fulfillment of their wishes via vasila of the 'peer' .

@KK-fy6xf

3 жыл бұрын

@@rocknroll1870 They believe in One Allah, Ismailis think Imam is Allah. As proven in Ginans. By the you tuber, if you understand. 90% of the Jamaat don’t understand what they are Ranting!! Including yourself?

Quran says in chapter 5 verse 48 has He wished made one ummat but He gave the sharia to all religions and they should worship their own ways taught to them and they should compete with one anther to achieve His goodness .

@googlechromee6950

3 жыл бұрын

So only Arab has follow sharia since there is 125000 prophets god send to earth based on Quran.

Can you do an episode about Qarmatians ?

Love the outroooo!!!!

Can you please do a video about Ahmedis?

Great explain about Isma'ilis..

@LetsTalkReligion

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

yes about the five pillars after some study its cleared that every section in islam have diffirant pillars

That music at the end tho...does anyone knows it?!

I get your point from the outside, but your just looking at what they are doing without evidence. For example if I go on and start my own method of practicing Islam, get some friends and family to join me, do I become a recognized sect from the outside view? this is the issue. If you Read the Quran and follow what the prophet said, you will find all these additions in the core believes (Isma'li, Alawite) are not from Islamic teachings. Just because a group decided "hey we feel like doing it this way" doesn't mean its Islamic or a form of Islam. The base is Quran. After the Quran then it is the Hadith or sunna of the prophet mohamed, now if we are skeptic about which were real and which were fabricated, easy, follow the Hadith that goes in line with the Quran. It is very simple. Anyone inventing new things into the religions are just inventing new things.

Whatever you said is nothing to do with the Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims. Ismaili Muslims believe in Allah, Prophet Mohammed (S.A.S) was the last Prophet's from Allah and the Quran is the Final Divine Book from Allah. There is no restriction in going to Hajj, There is no restriction in Fasting. I used to fast almost whole month of Ramadan and used to celebrate Eid Al Fiter with all religious fervor. Yes we pay Zaqat to our Imam i.e. 12.5% of our Income. Whatever we to pay Him, it is his money we have nothing to say in it. From that you can see he is doing enormous and Gigantic works to bring back 'The Lost Glory of Islam. Yes my Imam is right in saying that 'The Soul' rise high step by step and finally it gets elevated to one with 'The Divine Soul' In 'Baiytul-Khayyal' we practice 'Ism-e-Azam' at midnight 3:00 to 4:00 A.M. Our Imam is The Interpreter of our 'Shia Imami Ismaili Muslim Tariqa; as He being 'Oolil-amr'. Can you tell me who is your 'Oolil-Amr' in present time? Prophet Mohammed (S.A.S) said while returning from Hajj at Khum-e-Gadir 'Mun Kuntum Mowla fahaza Ali Mowla' and that's continues till today and will continue until The Final Day To talk and understand Shia Imami Muslims you need a in depth knowledge and philosophical approach with instinct of intuitions as Shia Imami Muslims are Esoteric in their belief. You can't come to an conclusion by seeing or by reading it. You must find out reality of Shia Imami Muslims. Hope you understand.

This is really cool. I grew up as a protestant Christian, and still consider that to be my position, but I've often thought that much of my personal theology has more in common with Buddhism, Western paganism, and some schools of Daoism than it does with most other Christians. I'm pretty sure most Christian 'fundamentalists' would be happy to see me burn at a stake for many of my views.

@klub7justin

2 жыл бұрын

You should look into Eastern Orthodoxy.

Yes intellect is a great blessing but intellect has its limits where human intellect ends and cannot perceive beyond that , from there starts the believe in the unseen which is being told to us by our creator. That’s why I said accept the challenge and go find out whatever Quraan says and how Quraan is proven by the scientists of this era which Prophet Muhammadﷺ wouldn’t have known in those times

I’ve lived with both Nazari Ismailis and Bohri Ismailis. I’ve found them to be totally different from each other . I dunno how similar their scripts are but their way of living isn’t the same . Having said all that , Nazari Ismailis are one of the most peaceful people on this globe .

Thank you... Though i am belong to Ismaili Nizarii but my religion is Love 💚

@barca29np

3 жыл бұрын

Although I'm not ismaili, i lean more towards suni sufism, i do think that esoteric readings of the almighty Quran are very important. Peace be upon you my brother

I find it very ironic that the 'orthodox' islamic concept of Quran is very similiar to the 'orthodox' christian concept of Jesus (namely that their spiritual essence pre-existed their physical revelation and have always coexisted with God) which caused the Ismaili objection against the orthodox view of Quran to sound very similiar to the Gnostic objection against orthodox view of Jesus (namely that both are purely spiritual being whose form is interpreted by physical faculties)

Very Well explained.

3:17 But "orthodody" is *by definition* the (implicitly by the majority) "accepted as true or correct". Thus, the Isma'ilis (less than 1% of all Muslims) *by definition* hold some unorthodox views. 14:00 Point #3 is suspiciously similar to Joseph Smith and Moroni.

God bless the Ismaili and their Imam

@warcriminal3414

3 жыл бұрын

God doesn't bless heretics

@MR-nj2pq

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you brother 😇 god bless you too

@smartentertainment9574

Жыл бұрын

Ameen. And thanks a lot

The first article of preamble of Ismaili constitution given by Aga Khan, the 49th Imam of Nizari Ismais: "The Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims affirm Shahadah,' La ilaha illallah Muhammadur Rasulullah,' the Tawhid there in and that the Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH is the last and final Prophet of Allah. Islam, as revealed in the Holy Quran, is the final message of Allah to mankind, and is universal and eternal. The Holy Prophet PBUH through the divine revelation from Allah prescribed rules governing spiritual and temporal matters." This is what followers of Ismaili Imam believe.

I appreciate your unbiased videos although in this particular video I think there are a few things to be noted. Islam wasn’t build over time as you said as we Muslims believe all prophets including Adam preached Islam, not with thesame principles but all calling for monotheism; the prophet also did mentioned that there is going to be 73 different sects of Islam after his death but the authentic Islam is following his exact teaching. Also, in Islam the prophet did mention what will strip one of Islam and some so called Muslims are doing the exact that hence aren’t really considered true Muslims e.g the yazidis etc. And, although after the demise of the prophet, there has been a period of confusion which is known by the Muslims and there are fabrications associated to the prophet but at a later stage people like Mohammed bin ismail al-Bukhari, Muslim, with the support of the work done by the 4 school of taughts managed to extract and traced the authentic hadiths to the prophet and the Sunnis use it till date. Anyways keep doing what you do, appreciate it

It would be nice if you could say صلى الله عليه وسلم after mentioning the prophets name suallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam. May Allaah guide us aameen.

@sifatraihan3455

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think he's Muslim

@Yoosana

3 жыл бұрын

he doesn’t need to say that.

Can you make a video on how the word ismaili means assissin and where that comes from and the context

@ahsanvideos837

Жыл бұрын

Assassin force is created to protect from enemy attack as our ancestors from Japan created ninja and there ancestors in Greece sparta

@palmirpalmirov4175

Жыл бұрын

He actually has about Ismailis and Assasins. In general, the situation for being Ismaili was so dangerous that they comminity was forced to become militaristic to save themselves. It was very dangerous time for Ismailis.

I would make an update to this is video is Ismailli does pray 5 prayers but within 3 intervals. Unlike orthodox 5 intervals for 5 prayers.

@toinfinityandbeyond519

3 жыл бұрын

@Elaina Ali There are many types of Isma'ili; Popular ones are Nizari Isma'ili... Musta'ali Isma'ili prays 3 (5 prayers) times similar to other Shias. Nizari Isma'ili prays dua but they do it as a rendition of the Salah.

@dise6737

3 жыл бұрын

@The Ismaili Agha Khani Live Streams & Debates Another so-called "ex-Ismaili". You have nothing more to do in life then being a sheep. May Allah guide you people , Ameen.

Not quite. There wasn’t an “explosion” of different sects and interpretations immediately after the Prophet ﷺ as if the injunctions and creed of Islam was a confused mess. The Mu’tazila emerged when Greek literature was being translated by Muslims much later on and affected the concepts of some amongst them. Theological Shi’ism and Sufism emerged from Islam’s encounter with Persian/Indian philosophies. These variations in thought are natural side effects of a rapidly expanding civilisation - but that doesn’t mean the acceptable spectrum of orthodoxy is lost or doesn’t exist, it most certainly does (and Isma’ilism doesn’t make the cut).

@sirfin459

3 жыл бұрын

Are you sure? Last I checked the Orthodoxy focussed heavily on the Hadith which was written about nearly 200-250 years after the death of the Prophet (SAW), by which time the schools aforementioned had already developed. And Shia do support Ali's succession, they didn't separate because of being influenced by the Persian philosophy. The Islamic golden age started around 800 AD and the Prophet(SAW) died around 632 AD. There was no orthodoxy as such because under the Umayyad Caliphate, people were too busy in compiling the verses of the Quran in a single volume. And no, Sufism isn't a new theology developed from exposure to Indian philosophy. Works of Imam Ghazali and the collection of 40 hadiths on Sufism by Sheikh Abu Abd-al Rahman Al Sulami, and the presence of the Malamita Sufi groups during the 9th century aka the dawn of the Islamic golden age are proof to that since Islam never entered India in a major way at that time as to focus on Hindu philosophy in any important and eager eyes. They just looked at Hindus as polytheists before the accounts of Al Biruni on India who was probably born on 973 Ad when Sufism existed but had not developed as it is now. Please correct me if any of my information is incorrect or if I am misinterpreting or missing something. Thank you

@callmechowdree689

3 жыл бұрын

@@sirfin459 I’m not sure where you’ve been getting your information from. Hadith were orally transmitted and written *during* the life of the Prophet ﷺ - the chains of narration were audited and compiled en masse later on. For example, Saʿîd ibn Jubayr said: I used to write every ḥadîth I heard from Ibn ʿAbbâs in my scroll until I would fill the scroll. Then I would write on the bottoms of my sandals. Then I would write on the palms of my hands Ibn Abbas (ra) was a close companion of the Prophet ﷺ and there are numerous examples like this. The Qur’an was also compiled immediately into a single book after the Prophet ﷺ by his companions Abu Bakr (ra) and then Uthman (ra).

@sirfin459

3 жыл бұрын

@@callmechowdree689 you seem to sight the Hadith themselves in this matter. However, scholarly consensus seems to say a different thing. There is no record of Hadith historically in the entire first Islamic century. Historians generally regard Hadith to be later compositions and for good reasons. First, it contradicts on many accounts, even if falling under the Sahih category, and Second, it seems to contradict the Quran on certain matters like stoning for adultery and not 100 lashes. And the reasons behind this given in the Hadith shows the Quran wasn't historically preserved in its entirety. Furthermore, the Hadith accounts contain many things running contrary to common sense and science, an insult of course to the Arabs who were experts in such fields during the Islamic Golden Age, thanks to the emphasis on education by the Quran. Although I agree the Quran was compiled right after the death of the Prophet(SAW) and we have archaeological and historical sources to ascertain this fact like the Birmingham Quran manuscript. And even if I do deem Hadith to be authentic then Al Sulami's hadiths on sufism also ascertain to the fact that Sufism was derived from the teachings of the Prophet(SAW). So understanding that on both sides your argument has fallacies. At least that's what historical evidence points to. That's my opinion

@callmechowdree689

3 жыл бұрын

@@sirfin459 scholarly consensus actually states that’s exactly how hadith were transmitted. Don’t assume that Imam Bukhari, Muslim or Tirnidhi ever claimed to be the first collectors - far from it. They were the ones to collect hadith en masse and identify and critique the chains of narration and put it all together into categorised writing, there’s a difference. Historical testimonies or records from antiquity dont even come close to the scrupulousness of hadith collection, yet they are easily put forward as acceptable evidence when discussing Rome for example. Secondly, your critique of hadith itself shows a lack of understanding in fiqh, Islamic sciences and how hadith are applied. In many instances hadith specify general injunctions of Quran. For more on this, I suggest wider reading as it is beyond the scope of a KZread comments section and unrelated to the topic at hand. What are Al-Sulami’s hadiths? Care to share?

@sirfin459

3 жыл бұрын

@@callmechowdree689 I see. I am not much well versed in Islamic jurisprudence, fiq and Hadith sciences.. That I do accept. However, my assumptions are based on written records, not oral transmissions. And oral traditions have the risk of being altered more than written ones. Just my viewpoint. Al Sulami's Hadith collections are a collection of 40 Hadith which, he claims, has been recorded by also chains going back to the Prophet(SAW). The Hadith in it have parallels in the Sahih Hadith collections. Most are Sahih in Al Sulami's collections, however some less authentic than Sahih. I personally like the Hadith collection along with Imam Nawawi's Riyadh Us Saleheen,since I am an admirer of Sufism myself and Islamic Mysticism in general. And thanks for clearing things out.