Q&A #7: Obsolete Guns, Coffee Grinder Stocks, and More!

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Another set of questions from my awesome Patreon contributors!
ATF C&R & NFA Exemption list (through 2007): www.atf.gov/files/publication...
List update for 2008-2014: www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/cur...
0:43 - Guns flexing in slow motion
3:41 - Destructives Devices - the guns vs the ammo
9:54 - What makes some stocked pistols exempt from the NFA?
14:41 - Unusual things build into rifle stocks
17:36 - Best rifle/pistol that never was (sort of)
19:33 - Pronouncing the word "Walther"
20:55 - Submachine guns and Advance Primer Ignition (API)
23:53 - Are we at a firearms development plateau?
26:04 - Why don't we see higher velocity bullets?
29:12 - How do I do my research?
33:53 - Are submachine guns obsolete?
36:58 - Most obsolete gun at the time of its introduction
38:50 - Intermediate rounds as alternatives to 5.56 NATO
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  • @jaungiga
    @jaungiga7 жыл бұрын

    Oh, man, there's nothing more rewarding than coming home from work to sit on my PPSh-41 and have a freshly Sharps Carbine-ground coffee whilst listening to the radio on my Winchester M70

  • @01superduty89

    @01superduty89

    4 жыл бұрын

    Underrated and under appreciated comment.

  • @dewayneweaver5782

    @dewayneweaver5782

    3 жыл бұрын

    You are a lucky man indeed, someone needs to develop a weapon with all three features and just add a bottle and can opener.

  • @jaungiga

    @jaungiga

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@dewayneweaver5782 I think we can solve both problems by adding a bayonet in the form of those dollar store bowie knives: they include a bottle opener in the spine of the blade and they can be used as a can opener. Additionally, a bayonet is always useful for repelling those pesky visitors that disturb your well earn rest after a long day of work

  • @abstractapproach634

    @abstractapproach634

    Жыл бұрын

    Pssssh carbine coffee is for the morning, after work you pop a beer open with your IMI Galil grip!

  • @zachariassuurholmamide6442

    @zachariassuurholmamide6442

    Жыл бұрын

    say my name

  • @JonatasAdoM
    @JonatasAdoM7 жыл бұрын

    Guns like swords do flex, it's the way of life and EVERYTHING either flexes or breaks

  • @SacoreyRugger
    @SacoreyRugger7 жыл бұрын

    50 years from now, "I am Ian with forgotten weapons and today we will be looking at this prototype energy rifle"

  • @beargillium2369

    @beargillium2369

    4 жыл бұрын

    Laser rifles are pretty much here

  • @hunters36forgingwoodworkin73

    @hunters36forgingwoodworkin73

    3 жыл бұрын

    Tune in next week for a prototype bolt gun.

  • @joeysimunds6352

    @joeysimunds6352

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hopefully not 50, and likely Microwave or Rail

  • @dustinwolfe9591

    @dustinwolfe9591

    3 жыл бұрын

    Idk man, still waiting for my flying car

  • @nopushbutton

    @nopushbutton

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@joeysimunds6352 maybe. in general, though, railguns are more suitable for larger, fixed platforms because not only do they suck a ridiculous amount of power, they more efficiently transfer the backwards energy to the gun (and therefore shooter) than conventional firearms, since are no gases to transfer it to. Therefore, you get less muzzle energy (and therefore less stopping power) for the same amount of recoil, vs. a conventional gun. Microwave weapons, though, are pretty much already here; all they need is the use case for miniaturization, when it comes to man-portable (and fireable) systems. Electrolasers, I think, are in the same boat - there just needs to be a big contract for them to be developed into something practical. Plasma weapons have similar limitations to railguns, plus a few other problems stopping them, so they're probably a bit further off. Electrothermal-chemical guns are already being developed for tanks, and I suspect if the military decides it wants it, that tech could serve in anti-material rifles in the near future. Directed radio frequency weapons (which are being developed for sixth-generation fighter aircraft already) seem like they'd have a use case in the anti-drone role, so I wouldn't be surprised to see those in the near future.

  • @TristanMorrow
    @TristanMorrow7 жыл бұрын

    Don't forget the most famous example of something built into the stock of a rifle: the Official Red Ryder carbine-action two-hundred-shot range-model air-rifle with a compass in the stock and the thing that tells time. (eye patch not included)

  • @drmaudio
    @drmaudio7 жыл бұрын

    For the viewer that asked about fast powders, if you meant a faster burn rate, there is a counterintuitive thing that happens where the fastest projectile velocity is generally achieved by the slowest powder that can be used and still be mostly consumed by the time the bullet exits the barrel. This is because the limiting factor in a given gun is pressure. The faster powder will reach maximum pressure sooner, and then drop off. As such, the push will be of the same intensity, but lower duration, resulting in lower projectile velocity.

  • @AKhellbindeR
    @AKhellbindeR7 жыл бұрын

    I have no idea why i've been subbed to this channel for years, and watch every video. Guns are illegal where im from, I dont really know anything about them outside games and movies, but I find it facinating listening to Ian talking about them with such passion.

  • @cfytcf

    @cfytcf

    4 жыл бұрын

    Same here, I like seeing things broken down with explanations of the technical, design, and bureaucratic reasons why things are the way they are.

  • @Bearthedancingman

    @Bearthedancingman

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think fascination with history and historical devices is a pretty good reason to enjoy this channel. And guns are so incredibly intricate and fascinating.

  • @estarriol7

    @estarriol7

    3 жыл бұрын

    History, in general, is fascinating. Military history is particularly fascinating. And any presenter can enhance or detract from the interest of their topic via their presentation - and Ian is a very good presenter. It's a great mix.

  • @bernatkun8069

    @bernatkun8069

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Bearthedancingman +Ian has a soothing voice

  • @abstractapproach634

    @abstractapproach634

    Жыл бұрын

    Move to freedomland, we need gun advocates!

  • @ISemiI
    @ISemiI7 жыл бұрын

    Man. I wish I had an RSC I could lean against my bookshelf.

  • @xidarian
    @xidarian7 жыл бұрын

    If you get a coffee grinder sharps you should make yourself a cup of coffee with it in the video.

  • @classifiedad1
    @classifiedad17 жыл бұрын

    Don't forget the Galil has a bottle opener built in the forend.

  • @kalleguld
    @kalleguld7 жыл бұрын

    I want a rifle with a kitchen sink in the stock

  • @_yellow

    @_yellow

    7 жыл бұрын

    I want a toothbrush that can fire 5mm caseless ammunition.

  • @_yellow

    @_yellow

    7 жыл бұрын

    Wy Vern Extended Glock drum mags with tripple extentions.

  • @_yellow

    @_yellow

    7 жыл бұрын

    Wy Vern I don't know, maybe. To the drawing board!

  • @Vicus_of_Utrecht

    @Vicus_of_Utrecht

    7 жыл бұрын

    Every comment: gold

  • @_yellow

    @_yellow

    7 жыл бұрын

    Vicus Utrecht Speaking of gold, I want my toothbrush to be gold plated.

  • @SecuR0M
    @SecuR0M7 жыл бұрын

    Speaking of radios in rifles: there was the Ryan Model 529 rifle transceiver built for ARPA's Project Agile in the 1960s. It fit inside the M16 stock and was supposed to be used in counter-insurgency like Vietnam (although the radio pre-dates combat operations in Vietnam). It used the barrel as the antenna (and an aerial) and had push-to-talk function, and could talk to AN/PRC-25 as well as itself.

  • @edb27
    @edb277 жыл бұрын

    The coffee grinder was added because soldiers were using the but stock of their rifles to crush coffee. The stocks of the rifles were cracking so they added a coffee grinder to the stock.

  • @rooseveltbrentwood9654

    @rooseveltbrentwood9654

    5 жыл бұрын

    Elias Blakely wow the same story as the galil, it has a bottle opener because the soldiers were using their magazines as bottle openers and damaging them.

  • @XanderTuron
    @XanderTuron7 жыл бұрын

    Obviously the the next development in firearms technology is going to be the phased plasma pulse rifle (40 watt range). On a slightly more serious note, if Gauss weapons (railguns, coilguns, and other such magnetic acceleration based weapons) become more practical, it would be interesting to see if they could be miniaturized enough to be practical as a man portable weapon.

  • @michaelf.2449

    @michaelf.2449

    2 жыл бұрын

    I know this is a super old post, But honestly I think we could if we could fix the energy density issue that electronics in general are having

  • @XanderTuron

    @XanderTuron

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@michaelf.2449 Totally; energy density is a major road block for a lot of fun things.

  • @oklahomahank2378

    @oklahomahank2378

    5 ай бұрын

    Isn’t there a Star Trek episode where the Borg have countered their phasers and they have the replicator make them shotguns?

  • @JerryEricsson
    @JerryEricsson7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a million for your videos. I have been a gun "nut" since the first time my father took me out with his old Remington Target Jr. .22LR rifle and let me shoot it at a tin can. I must have been 4 or 5 at the time, and could hardly hold that heavy little rifle, in fact dad had to help me hold it up. I began reading gun magazines when I could afford them the result of mowing lawns, cleaning snow from sidewalks, and working for my Uncle on his farm every summer for 5 dollars a day, room and board. Purchased my first pistol from a "Carney" who was passing through town, it was a sawed off single shot lever action rifle cut off to about 12 inches, and illegal as hell even back then. I shot it until the firing pin finally broke. I liked it because it resembled those old flintlock pistols carried by pirates, since it had no sights, I could hardly hit anything with it but still, just shooting it was a thrill. My next gun was a semi-auto .22 that my uncle gave me when he came up sort on wages one week, that was a great little gun despite is't tenancy to occasionally pop off two or three rounds then jam. Well the list goes on, as did my love for the gun, and for the next 50 years or so, I carried, repaired, and even built my own guns. That said, your show challenge my knowledge and add to it. I maintain that we can remain young so long as we never stop learning, and these shows indeed help me stay my young 65 years of age. Please keep up the wonderful work, and I assure you, I will keep up my watching of them.

  • @ForgottenWeapons

    @ForgottenWeapons

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @LeeFerikson
    @LeeFerikson7 жыл бұрын

    I'd say that the ultra-compact sub machine guns that fire the armour piercing higher velocity pistol cartridges in the style of the HK 4.6 and FN 5.7 is the final evolution of that classification and are still relevant. The MP7 is the best example of this, as it is considerably smaller and lighter than say an M4. I know that the Bundeswher armour crewmen use it as their PDW, and I believe also some of their anti-tank infantry prefer it to carrying a rifle. I've seen pictures of various counter terrorist units using them as sidearms, as it can be hip-holstered fairly comfortably, and of course acts as a much more useful weapon than a pistol. Because it can be hip holstered like this, I imagine that there are other roles it could be used to infantry in. For example, GPMGs are not exactly nice to shoulder fire, and the infantry carrying these weapons are usually issued pistols for self defense. Carrying both a carbine and a GPMG is just too heavy. A submachine gun like the MP7 can close the gap of "too far for a pistol, not practical for a big old GPMG"

  • @frankemcgillivray6695
    @frankemcgillivray66957 жыл бұрын

    As a history buff, I just appreciate these Q&A's so much. Thanks Ian.

  • @keikuru1
    @keikuru17 жыл бұрын

    I really appreciate that you label in the description when you answer certain questions Ian. (:

  • @juangreyson3660

    @juangreyson3660

    3 жыл бұрын

    I didn't notice that,thanks for telling me.

  • @THEzTROLLlz
    @THEzTROLLlz7 жыл бұрын

    "Nobody's gonna go rob a 7/11 with it"

  • @littlebigheroman

    @littlebigheroman

    4 жыл бұрын

    famous last words of a 7/11 cashier

  • @_ArsNova

    @_ArsNova

    3 жыл бұрын

    If you can't rob a 7/11 with it, it's not a firearm.

  • @Bornstellare
    @Bornstellare7 жыл бұрын

    Why is Ian wearing normal clothes?

  • @ForgottenWeapons

    @ForgottenWeapons

    7 жыл бұрын

    It's a disguise.

  • @HerrMueller93

    @HerrMueller93

    7 жыл бұрын

    trying to hide from the atf

  • @TheWhedgit

    @TheWhedgit

    7 жыл бұрын

    With that Def Con shirt he will just get another alphabet agency looking for him lol

  • @alifi5475

    @alifi5475

    7 жыл бұрын

    Nicholas Wilson I know right! It's like he thinks he can bring himself down to the level of us humans or something. lol

  • @JohnSmith-qy2cu

    @JohnSmith-qy2cu

    7 жыл бұрын

    Forgotten Weapons Ian stole my shoes...

  • @Andy47357
    @Andy473577 жыл бұрын

    someone needs to petition the atf that welrods and maxim silencer should be exempt from the nfa because how old and rare they are and that people buying them are collectors

  • @sillygoose210_6

    @sillygoose210_6

    7 жыл бұрын

    Andy47357 you should

  • @Jesses001

    @Jesses001

    7 жыл бұрын

    No we should destroy the NFA in its entirety and disband the BATFE. The NFA and Amendment was not passed anyway. It was funny. They did a vote, lost, ran out of time, and then just...put it in as law anyway, ha.

  • @kasperjam

    @kasperjam

    7 жыл бұрын

    Jesse Sisolack AMEN!!!

  • @daktari
    @daktari7 жыл бұрын

    One of the issues of short rifles/carbines in police use is still overpenetration. Most LE services still use SMGs because the smaller, lower-powered rounds will be less risky when you consider collateral damage. They'll stop in the target (or not far from it) and usually won't go through walls, car doors, etc, reducing the risk of harming a non-visible civilian that finds him/herself in the line of fire.

  • @M00shimaroo
    @M00shimaroo7 жыл бұрын

    Ian says theres a plateau in Firearms Development, meanwhile I'm waiting for the G11 generation 2. Caseless munitions is the next big thing? Who thinks so?

  • @barnabyhiles7105
    @barnabyhiles71057 жыл бұрын

    Loved this video. Ian, you have a genius for successfully explaining the complex in a simple manner. Bravo.

  • @ericswain70
    @ericswain707 жыл бұрын

    Ian's Chair of Wisdom

  • @mspaint1011
    @mspaint10117 жыл бұрын

    33:51 wow that thunder sound made the video have a really comfortable mood

  • @WildBillCox13
    @WildBillCox137 жыл бұрын

    Edifying and interesting to a degree seldom approached by youtube videos. Great work, Ian! And, remember, even fans who can't afford Patreon still appreciate your expertise.

  • @tacticalmanatee
    @tacticalmanatee7 жыл бұрын

    I've spoken with some people involved in the military LSAT trials and they seem pretty excited about the telescoping-cased ammunition. Essentially it's a polymer case with the bullet and powder both encased by it, making it lighter and shorter than compatible metallic-cased ammo. It's a fairly small and incremental change but it'd make ammo lighter, more compact, and significantly cheaper (the polymer cases cost much less than brass or even steel). The guys I talked to seem to think it will hit the civilian market very soon, and it is essentially already comparable with existing systems (so you can keep the existing popular designs) while offering room for future weapons development to really take advantage of telescoping-cased ammunition. There are also some newer projects trying to use case-less ammo but I think that's pretty much a dead end with current materials technology.

  • @warmachine_1396
    @warmachine_13967 жыл бұрын

    My favorite video ever! Great job Ian. A lot of interesting topics covered in one video!

  • @RetroARguy
    @RetroARguy7 жыл бұрын

    IMHO, the AR18 is probably the greatest rifle that never was. Most of the issues were fairly minor, generally related to a fragile pivot or poorly heat treated trigger parts. If it's intended market hadn't been strangled out by NATO and Soviet subsidies it probably would have been straightened out pretty shortly had it ever had a major contract instead of piecemeal civilian sales. It's pretty heavy influence on modern service rifles is probably pretty indicative of this.

  • @Chayonray
    @Chayonray7 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating and very informative. Thank you very much sir. Being a Mechanical Engineer, I especially liked your explanation of the limitations of hypervelocity rounds and the distinction between obsolete and obsolescent. 👍🏾👍🏾

  • @BMack37
    @BMack377 жыл бұрын

    This was a very good video, I hope you do more of this format.

  • @prjndigo
    @prjndigo7 жыл бұрын

    in the example given on API the powder charge also is rocked back against the bolt then spreads forward, it gives a better flash-over in the charge.

  • @thekraken1173

    @thekraken1173

    2 ай бұрын

    I know this is a 7 year old comment but what does “better flash-over in the charge” mean?

  • @stephenbritton9297
    @stephenbritton92976 жыл бұрын

    I think the .30 carbine is an un-recognized contender for use as a PDW cartridge. Especially if someone spends some time updating the bullet and the powder loading.

  • @josuelservin2409
    @josuelservin24097 жыл бұрын

    Thanks to the 1805 patrons who support the show and to Ian who make this great effort of historic documentation. Really guys you are amazing.

  • @notpulverman9660
    @notpulverman96607 жыл бұрын

    An intermediate rifle can't compete with a sub gun for size when you consider that sub guns can be barely inches longer than actual handguns. A 3 or 4 inch barrel is realistic on a sub gun, but blast would be intolerable in rifle form, plus the receiver would need to be longer.

  • @seanjoseph8637
    @seanjoseph86377 жыл бұрын

    Great show. The next innovation will be sharks with frikken laser beams on their heads!

  • @oklahomahank2378

    @oklahomahank2378

    5 ай бұрын

    World of Warcraft. The gnomes do it.

  • @GinSoakedBoy
    @GinSoakedBoy7 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff and informative as always, Ian.

  • @ComiCBoY000
    @ComiCBoY0007 жыл бұрын

    Nice to see you finally got your Fusil Automatique Modèle 1917.

  • @richardbrowncloak1263
    @richardbrowncloak12637 жыл бұрын

    One thing a submachine gun does do better: They suppress better. If you want a really quiet, functional AR-15 you need an adjustable gas port and subsonic ammo. Also, do YOU want to go into battle with a round that main mechanism for inflicting damage is its' high velocity and then neuter that velocity? A .45 ACP submachine gun w/ a suppressor can use standard ammo, inflict great damage (from mass, not velocity) and be really quiet.

  • @Davidautofull

    @Davidautofull

    7 жыл бұрын

    i didnt see or hear of much suppression of the enemy in Iraq or Afgan town at 4,5,600 yard ranges.

  • @ottopartz1

    @ottopartz1

    4 жыл бұрын

    I've heard a 45acp fired through a fresh suppressor and it was still pretty darn loud all considered.

  • @drmaudio
    @drmaudio7 жыл бұрын

    I totally want a coffee grinder in my rifle stock. That is an accessory worth it's weight.

  • @burtdanams4426
    @burtdanams4426 Жыл бұрын

    I like the framing of this video haha. I think the wall of books, the gun, the chair make you look awesome

  • @konstantin.v
    @konstantin.v7 жыл бұрын

    How about creating a dedicated Q&A playlist on this channel? I like very much this format, with you talking about various gun related stuff for up to an hour, but without a playlist it's not very convenient to keep track of the new such videos coming (and to make sure you've seen every one that came before). Thanks!

  • @benreese7602
    @benreese76027 жыл бұрын

    Mr JD Jones of ssk Industries has multiple NFA exemptions for some of his cartridges like the 950 JDJ. same with things like the 600, 585, and 700 nitro express rounds.

  • @kylef634
    @kylef6347 жыл бұрын

    That's a pretty killer library...

  • @egoncasteel
    @egoncasteel7 жыл бұрын

    If possible I would enjoy seeing a video on reloading gear, and/or black powder accessories like wacky measuring powder horns and primer carriers.

  • @ChewbacaTW
    @ChewbacaTW7 жыл бұрын

    thanks for the Q/A Ian.

  • @davo171
    @davo1717 жыл бұрын

    Radio's in rifle stocks? Would the barrel/receiver be effective as an antenna? I'd put one in a mexican mauser, so I could be on a mexican radio. Twould be technically accurate.

  • @rooseveltbrentwood9654

    @rooseveltbrentwood9654

    5 жыл бұрын

    davo171 thanks now if got that 80s song stuck in my head. mexican raaaaaadio!

  • @DJstarrfish

    @DJstarrfish

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'd be concerned that recoil would break some of the transistors/capacitors in the radio

  • @masaharumorimoto4761
    @masaharumorimoto47617 жыл бұрын

    Wow, your explanation of research just helped me with college, I am going to do my essays with a different mindset now. (you make me want to do a firearms degree of some description!) Much love!

  • @JerryEricsson

    @JerryEricsson

    2 жыл бұрын

    I worked with a couple of Gunsmiths who graduated from Yavapai College in Arizona. Both were extremely good smiths, one build his own computerized cut riffling and deep drilling machines so he could build target barrels to order, the other was a general smith who jumped in and helped the other so he could use his machinery after hours. I simply hung around and did some polishing and finishing on rifles as well as build a few of my own rifles for practice. I fell in love with Arizona several years ago, before the Chinese attack of the Virus when my wonderful wife and I began traveling in our used RV down there from South Dakota for the winter months when it was comfortable living down there and very cold and snowy here. Of course the COVID ended that, then I lost my wonderful wife to Cancer after being married for 51 years.

  • @brucebaxter6923
    @brucebaxter69237 жыл бұрын

    Ian, it was interesting you mentioned using the momentum of the bolt twice. I was thinking about an open bolt design that had a light boltface/extractor and a heavy Spring between the face and body. The idea was to have a simple blowback on a high powered cartridge that used the bolt momentum and Spring pressure to keep the boltface closed during the high pressure phase/delay

  • @ForgottenWeapons

    @ForgottenWeapons

    7 жыл бұрын

    If the bolt body is light and the spring is strong, it will accelerate the whole assembly rearward without the spring compressing significantly.

  • @rileypowell5354

    @rileypowell5354

    7 жыл бұрын

    buy a benelli, thats exactly what their inertia guns do. its just a blowback delayed by a rotating bolt.

  • @brucebaxter6923

    @brucebaxter6923

    7 жыл бұрын

    Forgotten Weapons Yes, that would be a problem. The bolt body would still have to have considerable mass, but less than a solid bolt with simple blowback.

  • @huichuanyang8105
    @huichuanyang81056 жыл бұрын

    The next big advancement could be self guiding projectiles. DARPA is working on one but I imagine those are horrendously expensive right now and not altogether practical yet.

  • @rockhardin4829
    @rockhardin48293 жыл бұрын

    @ian how noble! The preservation of knowledge is very important thank you for your work sir

  • @JohnDoe-ee6qs
    @JohnDoe-ee6qs6 жыл бұрын

    a radio in your rifle is exactly what you need whilst out hunting 😁

  • @jimkey920
    @jimkey9207 жыл бұрын

    Interesting report. Thanks, Ian.

  • @Totenschaedel98
    @Totenschaedel987 жыл бұрын

    German V's are pronounced like an English F. So Volkswagen becomes Folksvagen. Keep up the good work, Ian.

  • @Bert2368
    @Bert23685 жыл бұрын

    @26:04, higher velocity? When I got into 6.5-284 NORMA, I learned about the "sweet spot' in velocity, throat erosion and pressure vs. barrel life the hard way. I love to tinker, hand load, play with components & OAL of cartridges, obsessively working to wring the last bit of accuracy out of a rifle. Across that threshold, you may work for hours over months of your free time, finally get everything dialed in- And 500 rounds later? Time to get your next new barrel fitted and start over. They do say life is all about the journey, not the destination. It still kind of sucks. So, maybe drop back to 6.5 Creedmore or 6.5X55 Swede and enjoy actually shooting the best combo? The last iteration of the 1,000m capable 6.5X284 gets racked, to mostly be used for deer season in areas requiring 300m to 500m shots (very occasionally) while stand hunting over soybean fields...

  • @yeoldegunporn
    @yeoldegunporn7 жыл бұрын

    The SVT-40 flexes a lot in slow motion. A lot.

  • @mutejosh
    @mutejosh7 жыл бұрын

    Great Q&A!

  • @tylorhughes4484
    @tylorhughes44847 жыл бұрын

    I love my 5.45 kalash. love the videos by the way Ian firearms history is definitely fascinating to me, I particularly liked the folding stock luger you showed. kinda got my gears turning on how a stock like that would do today. (not quite in the pistol area but more like a carbine)

  • @andrewgillis3073
    @andrewgillis30733 жыл бұрын

    As an interesting side note on destructive devices, the US Army issued thermite grenade is not regulated in the NFA because it doesn't explode...

  • @shonny61
    @shonny617 жыл бұрын

    The Mk 7 16/50 flexes. A lot. It's a feature, not a bug.

  • @JustSomeDutchGuy-
    @JustSomeDutchGuy-7 жыл бұрын

    Thank you sir, another great video!

  • @miguelangelsimonfernandez5498
    @miguelangelsimonfernandez54987 жыл бұрын

    Your rule is similar to the one we have in Spain: Any non rimmed high pressure cartridge (rifle) weapon of .50 caliber or greater is illegal for civilian use.

  • @HDSME
    @HDSME3 ай бұрын

    I once saw a 7.62 m 14 barrel actually serpentine like a snake it blew my mind! To this day I'm still in shock! You have to see it to believe it I know it sounds insane

  • @clarkogles3289
    @clarkogles32897 жыл бұрын

    I never knew how great of an idea API was... kewl

  • @dr.johnpaladinshow9747
    @dr.johnpaladinshow97474 жыл бұрын

    I thought the little compartment in the stock of my survival rifle was for joints.

  • @01superduty89

    @01superduty89

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dr. John Paladin Show yes sir

  • @Jarejander69
    @Jarejander697 жыл бұрын

    FALs do it, G3 do it, AKs, ARs and everything do it, let's do it, let's fall it love!

  • @takogonikanetniukogo
    @takogonikanetniukogo7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, Ian, that was very informative. Can you please get Carl's opinion on last question about alternative intermediate cartridges?

  • @Taurevanime
    @Taurevanime7 жыл бұрын

    A response to two of the questions asked. Namely on design plateau and the potential adoption of a new cartridge. There is one project the US has worked on that is the Lightweight Small Arms Technologies (LSAT). Which started off with the goal of making a weapon and ammo that significantly reduces the load carried by machine gunners, without sacrificing their capabilities. Out of this came new cartridge designs. cased telescoped cartridges and caseless cartridges. Of these it was found that cased telescoped was closer to being a viable product while offering the weight and bulk savings desired. So much so in fact that while the system initially used standard 5.56 bullets they have now moved onto 7.62 bullets and found the total package weight to be only slightly more than an M249 with full ammo load. But here is the kicker. If this system were to be adopted there is absolutely no reason to stick to current bullet designs. And so work has started on finding a new bullet that due to a better and more efficient shape can offer 7.62 long range performance. While being not much more powerful or heavier than 5.56. One of the bullet designs the Army Marksmanship Unit came up with as start off point. Is a new cartridge called the .264 USA. It's a little on the powerful side, which is likely due to coming from the AMU. This is still however experimental and not slated for adoption. Let alone being close to getting into civilian or collector hands any time soon. If you want to get more information I highly suggest going to the website and forum of the very nice Anthony G Williams. www.quarryhs.co.uk/

  • @Evirthewarrior
    @Evirthewarrior7 жыл бұрын

    The only thing I can think that SMGs do better than a short carbine would be subsonic ammo with a suppressor.

  • @mossbergmaniac1947

    @mossbergmaniac1947

    7 жыл бұрын

    There's stuff like .300 blackout which kind of negates that advantage. I

  • @OriginalBongoliath

    @OriginalBongoliath

    7 жыл бұрын

    I can only think of cheaper ammo costs.

  • @mossbergmaniac1947

    @mossbergmaniac1947

    7 жыл бұрын

    Good point, although you're probably going to be shooting an SMG mostly in full auto and a Carbine Semi Automatically. Probably wouldn't take to long to blow through that cost per round advantage.

  • @Marvin.Runyon

    @Marvin.Runyon

    7 жыл бұрын

    Even with regular ammo. I saw a video with a SWAT officer explaining how a suppressed 9mm MP5 was advantageous in some situations over even a suppressed 5.56, because the latter is still quite loud in a confined space compared to the suppressed pistol round. I don't know that he considered .300 blackout in his opinion.

  • @mossbergmaniac1947

    @mossbergmaniac1947

    7 жыл бұрын

    .300 blackout is pretty awesome surpressed, that's what it was made for.

  • @VOLHans
    @VOLHans7 жыл бұрын

    Ian touched on future developments... My best guess is that at some point we're going to see smooth-bore small arms firing fin stabilized ammunition, possibly with discarding sabots, in order to squeeze more velocity. Second, optics that work as an integrated fire control system. Probably in the form of a scope that includes buttons attached on or near the grip, allowing the shooter to take a laser range with the press of a button, and then automatically setting the reticle to compensate for bullet drop at that range.

  • @chuckcochran8599
    @chuckcochran8599 Жыл бұрын

    What it is, is an indicator of the pressures, and force involved in contained explosion. Without that elasticity, parts would begin to break and fail in very short order.

  • @wsg4847
    @wsg48476 жыл бұрын

    Regarding guns with accessories such as the coffee grinder stock, the IMI Galil had a bottle opener in the front handguard.

  • @samwagner7837

    @samwagner7837

    4 жыл бұрын

    But that had the purpose of stopping troops from using the magazine well instead to open there botles

  • @samwagner7837

    @samwagner7837

    4 жыл бұрын

    Still wacky though

  • @AlexCP2394
    @AlexCP23947 жыл бұрын

    Case-less ammo I think is the next thing. Removing the extraction and ejection components of the firing cycle will radically change firearm design. I know it's been tried before but if a cheap and effective enough solution were employed there would be a paradigm shift I think.

  • @sawyernorthrop4078

    @sawyernorthrop4078

    5 жыл бұрын

    The problem is you still need to be able to eject a bad cartridge, so you still need an ejection port. Also, you tend to lose power because you're sacrificing power for structural integrity in the propellent. But neither of these problems are insurmountable.

  • @antitankautism8052

    @antitankautism8052

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@sawyernorthrop4078 building on what you said, another unintended benefit of cased ammunition comes from The fact that when the case is ejected, so too is a lot of the residual heat present from firing the round. The brass holds a lot of that heat and is expelled drop. The system during cycling. A big issue the G11 had was proper heat expulsion. Given that entire detonation of the ammunition was internal, that was a lot of built up heat without an efficient way to dissipate it. Caseless ammo is fighting an uphill battle for sure.

  • @dewayneweaver5782

    @dewayneweaver5782

    3 жыл бұрын

    Case-less ammo ignited by a laser. No slide, No ejector, No firing pin.

  • @thekraken1173

    @thekraken1173

    2 ай бұрын

    Nah I don’t think we need automatic muskets.

  • @MrIamtheone2
    @MrIamtheone27 жыл бұрын

    Finally got your RSC. Good video Ian :)

  • @chipChipperson202
    @chipChipperson2027 жыл бұрын

    With development in battery tech we could be seeing a sort of rail gun for the soldier

  • @bmwnut93
    @bmwnut937 жыл бұрын

    The Winchester radio rifle is in Springfield, MO at the National Sporting Arms Museum. They have a lot of other great firearms. I hope you can some day go there to make videos on the weapons there.

  • @elitearbor
    @elitearbor7 жыл бұрын

    "I don't know that there's really anything that you could do with a SMG that you couldn't do equally well with a small carbine..." Silence it and still be able to use off-the-shelf ammunition widely available. That's the only argument I've found for pistol caliber carbines and SMGs in today's world, and even .300BLK has made that somewhat moot.

  • @jacobstaten2366

    @jacobstaten2366

    5 жыл бұрын

    Make it automatic. 🤔

  • @androskyvitaliy2682

    @androskyvitaliy2682

    4 жыл бұрын

    There's something to be said for relatively simple blowback actions that you can run handgun cartridges in, which are much simpler and thus cheaper to produce than locked breech rifle-cal carbines.

  • @Dracomandriuthus

    @Dracomandriuthus

    4 жыл бұрын

    Pistol calibers have an advantage of being cheap, as well

  • @bezimienny_andzej6425

    @bezimienny_andzej6425

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also: not blow out your eardrums when not wearing hearing protection. SMGs with 20-30cm barrels and pistol-caliber cartridges (that are generally made for 10cm barrels) are a LOT quieter than small carbines, that, when fired in confined space, guarantee hearing loss, unless silenced with a bigass silencer, which causes it to no longer be smaller than SMG :)

  • @elitearbor

    @elitearbor

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@bezimienny_andzej6425 An excellent point!

  • @jacobstaten2366
    @jacobstaten23665 жыл бұрын

    Just one more reason to get rid of the NFA and BATFE. The new thing will be a camera optic that connects via a wire to your phone or a monitor over your eye that allows you to aim around corners and not worry about lining up your sights. 34:43 use my pistol mags interchangeably with it. 39:48 With the space fleet thing, what about a 5.56/9mm intermediate cartridge?

  • @ferongr
    @ferongr7 жыл бұрын

    I'm not American but from just reading it, the second amendment obviously doesn't say anything about "bearing arms" for sporting purposes. How can the government limit ownership of guns based on such a "purpose"?

  • @kylec.6818

    @kylec.6818

    7 жыл бұрын

    I am an American and I can say that the Second Amendment is absolutely not designed only so that we can have fun. the Second Amendment was written so that we would have the means to fight a tyrannical government if we ever needed to. the problem is you get politicians that think they know what's best for us and pass laws on an uninformed public. You'll notice that the American Constitution does not say anything about who can have what weapons . Our founding fathers wrote the 2nd amendment so that we could hane the means to defend ourselves against the very government that would take away our freedom or our ability to overthrow it.

  • @kylec.6818

    @kylec.6818

    7 жыл бұрын

    Also we have entire generations of people that are more concerned with being comfortable than free!

  • @zendell37

    @zendell37

    7 жыл бұрын

    What Kyle said was SPOT ON! There are plenty of people that live in a world that only exists when they are in it. They don't think anywhere outside of themselves. That has an astoundingly negative affect on the rights of others, especially in the firearms world.

  • @joshhutchins7968

    @joshhutchins7968

    7 жыл бұрын

    And from your comment I can already tell you that you are smarter than most politicians here. What you said is true, but we have let them do just that.

  • @josephenders1893

    @josephenders1893

    7 жыл бұрын

    Practically none of the NFA guns have any legitimate use for civilians besides fun. No one is losing any basic rights or trying to be oppressed by a tyrannical government. Also, as far as I know, you're just required to register them, have appropriate licenses/documentation, and pay the tax.

  • @spoeny
    @spoeny7 жыл бұрын

    From the ATF curio & relic list: Finnish, m/23 Deutches Waffen Munitionsfabriken (DWM)-manufactured Luger pistols with 95cm or 120cm barrels in 7.65mm or 9mm calibers. 95cm is roughly three foot, 120cm is four. Crazy Finns ;-)

  • @3592090
    @35920907 жыл бұрын

    Ian said that the RSC is his "Grail Gun" a couple of videos ago. Now BOOOM Here's one right there. Damn man, I love you so much

  • @jakublulek3261
    @jakublulek32613 жыл бұрын

    I love that NFA logic on destructive devices. You can own naval canon but don't fire live grenades, naughty boy!

  • @tod3403
    @tod34035 жыл бұрын

    That chair looks pretty comfortable. Nicely cushioned.

  • @heinzpeter644
    @heinzpeter6447 жыл бұрын

    the next improvements could be ballistic computers like in the xm25, or caseless ammunition

  • @JoeSnuffie
    @JoeSnuffie7 жыл бұрын

    I have an AR-15 in 5.45x39 and I really enjoy it. At 300 yards I can hit a 10 inch steel plate every time with a 3x scope and that's plenty accurate for me.

  • @Greasymarsupial
    @Greasymarsupial7 жыл бұрын

    Those sick kicks

  • @Bearthedancingman
    @Bearthedancingman4 жыл бұрын

    In relation to gun flexing. Check out a bow firing an arrow, a good archer can hit an asperin that has been thrown, yet the arrow wobbles like crazy. So it isn't hard to imagine that with the immense energy a firearm has to handle, that harmonic forces will cause flexing at some level.

  • @JosephHarner
    @JosephHarner7 жыл бұрын

    There are some interesting developments in caseless ammunition that might bring about a reasonably large change in firearm design. Not having to eject a spent shell casing will be interesting. The LSAT trials performed by the US looked promising.

  • @nwolinsP
    @nwolinsP7 жыл бұрын

    the submachine chair is great!

  • @LifeStyle-uh1ns
    @LifeStyle-uh1ns7 жыл бұрын

    To add to the innovation discussion, I would like to state that I think that the AK 107 counterbalance gun is a great innovation which we have not seen in the US. (yet)

  • @diltzm
    @diltzm7 жыл бұрын

    I know it would be a long video, or actually a series of videos but I'd love to see what books are in Ian's library.

  • @Meeko1010100112
    @Meeko10101001127 жыл бұрын

    Interesting idea for hypervelocity guns. Electromagnetic stabilization. Use a magnet to impart spin to the bullet instead of the physical rifling, that way the issue of throat erosion is dealt with. You'd need special magnetic ammunition ('special', steel bullets) to function, but it would just need to be passive magnets there to guide the bullet with a spin, not the very complicated and fancy magnet set up for coilguns that requires a butt load of energy to fire one shot.

  • @SpeedyDePalma
    @SpeedyDePalma7 жыл бұрын

    Bringing up better optics and augmented reality brings to mind a game that got it's start in the late 80's known as Shadowrun which took place in a dystopian future of the 2050's where the weapons had the capability of having what they called a smartlink where though goggles or enhanced eyes you could link up a program with your weapon to enhance ones abilities to shoot and give feedback to surroundings such as distance.

  • @ZombieWilfred
    @ZombieWilfred7 жыл бұрын

    I was under the understanding that the reason that the coffee grinder Sharps came about was because the soldiers kept using the butts of their rifles to smash their coffee beans and cracking the stocks. Is this true? If so it makes the idea a little less crazy (even though it obviously didn't work out well...) Kind of like how people think that it's crazy that the Galil has a bottle opener built into it until they find out it was because soldiers kept damaging the feed lips of their magazines opening bottles with them (pop top bottles being the norm back in the day.)

  • @anthonyhayes1267
    @anthonyhayes12673 жыл бұрын

    4:55 what if I invent the sport of competitive artillery plotting? Bazooka skeet?

  • @SgtKOnyx
    @SgtKOnyx7 жыл бұрын

    Honestly a large amount of the problems with the M16 stemmed from the lack of cleaning the soldiers did... lol of course that wasn't the case. It was largely from the use of sub par powder in the ammunition.

  • @andrewrash1931
    @andrewrash19314 жыл бұрын

    You forgot the Galil with a bottle opener

  • @troyp467
    @troyp4677 жыл бұрын

    Good to know about the destructive device thing. I would have looked it up by now if i were American but i figured i probably don't really need to know the exact laws outside of Canada

  • @jamesbridges7750
    @jamesbridges77507 жыл бұрын

    With regards to the question about propellant improvements enabling higher velocity with lighter ammo, I think the point was more a question of making a round the size of a 5.7x28mm perform as well as a 5.56x45mm , not making a 5.56x45mm perform like a 223wssm . 5.7x28mm weighs about half as much as 5.56 ammo ,and there would be some weight savings from the shorter action length that it allows. Think smaller gun and lighter ammo but same capability.

  • @mysss29
    @mysss297 жыл бұрын

    Noooo, you made, "26:04 - Why don't we see higher velocity bullets?" out of something more like, "Why don't we use faster-burning powders to achieve the bullet velocities we already see?" It seems like the problem of heat dissipation and consequent barrel wear you brought up might also apply to this, in addition to, possibly, limitations of chemistry; but you answered another interesting question instead of the one asked! :P And...yeah, to finish restating the question posed: "Wouldn't a faster-burning powder [even hypothetically] be more efficient in accelerating a projectile, allowing a smaller case volume and thus more compact, lighter ammunition?"

  • @ForgottenWeapons

    @ForgottenWeapons

    7 жыл бұрын

    Oops...sorry.