Frodo: "I wish it need not have happened in my time." Gandalf in 2001: "So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us." Gandalf in 1978: "Yeah. Sucks."

@anonymone453

11 ай бұрын

"What a pity that Bilbo didn't kill that vile creature when he had the chance!" Gandalf in 2001: "Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand! Many that live deserve death, and some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? ... Do not be to eager to deal in death and judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play, yet. For good or ill, before this is all over, the pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many." Gandalf in 1978: "Yeah. Sucks."

@dalewatson9334

10 ай бұрын

Completely with you! 2 very iconic quotes of gandalf reduced to nothing of significance

@revolutionishere

10 ай бұрын

​@@dalewatson9334did you even read the book??

@merylsmith8297

10 ай бұрын

@@revolutionishere He's talking about how the book lines werent delivered in the '78 show

@dalewatson9334

10 ай бұрын

@@revolutionishere Yes

„Don’t let him turn me into anything unnatural!“ Little late there, my guy.

@jefffinkbonner9551

11 ай бұрын

Oh man, that’s hilarious 😂👏

@valentinabucibattorti9813

11 ай бұрын

7:13

@makeitsonumberone1358

11 ай бұрын

Still beats Sean Astins Sam, kept slipping into American

@calebfuller4713

11 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Binary79

11 ай бұрын

you didn't have to do Sam dirty like that, he's got enough problems. Thanks for the laugh though.

I just love Gandalf's last move before he exits - just turns to Sam and "NYAH!"

@istolethispfpsorry485

11 ай бұрын

Like Bilbo in that one scene

@makeitsonumberone1358

11 ай бұрын

I loved that as a kid, made me laugth everytime i see it 🤣

@TheRuddster95

11 ай бұрын

Voldemort esque 😂

@christinemoccia477

11 ай бұрын

more like "oogie boogie!!!"

@stevenfrazier9955

11 ай бұрын

​@TheRuddster95 right with that finger and hand movements

That part where Gandalf jump-scares Sam before he leaves cracks me up 👻

@coalcreekdefense8106

11 ай бұрын

It's exactly what any of us would do after spending two minutes with this version of Sam. 😂

@worganfreeman2694

11 ай бұрын

@@coalcreekdefense8106 omg thats so true. It would be criminal not to take advantage wouldnt it!?

@stevendalloesingh

9 ай бұрын

You guys are hilarious! Gandalf has those lengthy set that he wiggled at Sam, calling it a jumpscare is perfect!😂😂

@JackieD318

8 ай бұрын

Poor Sam 😭

@zelordofzepotatoes5274

7 ай бұрын

The intrusive thoughts won

Howard Shore can do anything, but even he cannot fix Sam.

@Strideo1

Жыл бұрын

Why did Ralph Bakshi hate Sam so much?

@alexandersmith4731

Жыл бұрын

​@@Strideo1 I read somewhere apparently he planned a character arc for Sam in a sense, like he's a bumbling fool in the first movie, but he grows more in the next movie, it would probably be different tbh if he could complete the project

@InquisitiveEngineer

11 ай бұрын

@@alexandersmith4731Ah yes, the Neville Longbottom arc

@alexandersmith4731

11 ай бұрын

@@InquisitiveEngineer Sorta yea 😂

@robinthrush9672

11 ай бұрын

Would have been nice to over dub him with Astin on top of the music.

That stank face frodo has towards gandalf freaking out is the best

@RickMyBalls

11 ай бұрын

meme-worthy

@commandercaptain4664

11 ай бұрын

He was all “BE STILL! FOOL OF A WIZARD!”.

@MrMightyMido

10 ай бұрын

@@commandercaptain4664 q

@codswallop321

10 ай бұрын

The faces are all strange... you can see so much of the whites of Gandalf's eyes, he just looks mad

@m0thdm

10 ай бұрын

that shit killed me

That weird little psych-out Gandalf does to Sam at the end XD

@makeitsonumberone1358

11 ай бұрын

🤣

@TheMarc1k1

11 ай бұрын

Such a great detail and strange relationship that I don't think is a thing at all in the live-action version, it couldn't be I guess.

@marcussmith4913

11 ай бұрын

Well dude would not shut up about all the Thick Elves he was about to encounter and how damn exciting that was going to be for him. Its all the guy wanted to talk about through the entire scene. How many elves? am I on my knees when the elves enter the chamber? How thick an elf will we be dealing with here just for a reference? I mean Sam goes on for a while he really does. That is not the last of his questions about the elves.

@commandercaptain4664

11 ай бұрын

@marcussmith4913 Than they get to Mordor, and JRRT goes on and on about pebbles and leaves and trees that don’t move or talk. 😴💀

The 1978 LOTR movie is very underrated in my eyes. (Though what they did to Sam is horrendous)

@joshuanugentfitnessjourney3342

Жыл бұрын

Making him seem....special?

@sigmus1475

Жыл бұрын

Yeah....real "special" and with bad dental to boot.

@THENemesisXX99

Жыл бұрын

@@sigmus1475 They just wanted to make him more familiar with the folk of Tolkien's homeland

@micharosa6201

Жыл бұрын

Oh my...Oh hurraaaayyy.

@nathonguymon6803

Жыл бұрын

I feel that Sam deserved better. If comedy was needed, then Merry and Pippin could fit the bill just fine in their own way.

"Do not tempt me!" Dumbledore said calmly.

@TwentyNineJP

11 ай бұрын

"Don't let him turn me into anything unnatural!" Ron ejaculated loudly.

@vangelina09

11 ай бұрын

And Frodo’s expression… was so like calm down dude!

@Sephiroth144

11 ай бұрын

@@vangelina09 Geez, man, it was just an idea, chill...

@vangelina09

11 ай бұрын

@@Sephiroth144 😂😂

@TrantaLocked

10 ай бұрын

Crazy to think that Jackson's first LOTR film is now as old as the animated film was when his films started coming out. I'm still thinking of LOTR as a new, modern film that I just saw in the cinema!

@Alex-pk1iy

7 ай бұрын

The Jackson Trilogy has aged so well, absolute classics

@saintpatrick7673

7 ай бұрын

@@Alex-pk1iy Well is the understatement of the century

@StraveTube

7 ай бұрын

Come on man, you don't have to hit me with that...

@tosseddwarf

6 ай бұрын

y u do dis?

@aidanquigley4799

6 ай бұрын

Oh my gosh, imagine watching it in theatres ahhhh that is so cool

Sam's weirdo golf clap when he mentions Elves kills me every time lol

@ogremark5

11 ай бұрын

It's a gesture that anyone who remembers the little person actor Billy Barty will be familiar with.

@lorensteinman8486

11 ай бұрын

​@@ogremark5 I must've forgotten he did the rotoscoped acting for that. Bilbo too. You can really see it at times with their mannerisms and with Bilbo's design and expressions. I guess that's maybe part of Sam's strange appearance - is they couldn't trace Billy's face for both characters, so they went with something *definitely* different that ignored the actor's face entirely.

@commandercaptain4664

11 ай бұрын

Dude did not know what he was getting himself in to…

@catthecookie

10 ай бұрын

Eleventy-one likes, and I ruined it by adding one more 🥲

@z-beeblebrox

10 ай бұрын

@@ogremark5 Holy shit that's Billy Barty?? Incredible!

Frodo's face when Gandalf says "Do. Not. Tempt. Me!" XD

@ZeroCiero

11 ай бұрын

The facial expressions in this film are totally wild. And all the gesticulating that doesn’t fit with the voice acting. I love it

@z-beeblebrox

11 ай бұрын

@@ZeroCiero The dialogue: "And he has heard of Hobbits at last. And of the Shire." The hands: 🖐👈👐👇🤏👋👉👆👇

@RuthMcDougal

11 ай бұрын

Frodo is like “Um, bro are you okay?…what a freak…”

In this version Frodo’s like “I wish none of this had happened” and instead of Gandalf saying “so do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide” he’s like “yeah dude, me too” and then Frodo’s like “Bilbo should have killed Gollum”, and Gandalf is like “Yeah it was mercy. So make sure you don’t miss your chance to kill him”

@TheRealVorynDagoth

11 ай бұрын

Suspiciously American

@ecurb10

11 ай бұрын

Yeah I know. Like, why NOT use the original text?

@brandonbrandon2893

11 ай бұрын

I'm not sure that's what was intended by that part of the conversation's wording. The actual response was, "And now, Frodo, the decision lies with you. What will you do with the one ring?" I think Gandalf is just trying to get Frodo to stop whining and return to the main point, regardless of what Frodo thinks about Bilbo's handling of Gollum. The question is, "What will you do with the ring?", not, "What will you do with Gollum?"

@itzakehrenberg3449

11 ай бұрын

There was no implication "so make sure you don't miss your chance to kill him" in Gandalf's speech in this cartoon, but it is in your imagination.

@TwoDogsFighting

11 ай бұрын

No. "Will you have pity? Will you show mercy?". Your take is horribly twisted.

Interesting, but I think Bakshi's choice to leave this scene unscored (which presumably made this video easier to produce) was legitimate. It allows the atmospheric sounds of the Shire at night to be the only background to the dialogue.

@greglaslo6371

Жыл бұрын

Wait, this is supposed to be at night?

@blacksunapocalypse

11 ай бұрын

@@greglaslo6371 There are stars in the sky :P

@geovaughan8261

11 ай бұрын

Yeah I had the same thought. I was watching the first half wondering “Is the joke that removing the score made the scene more atmospheric and dark and serious? Because this is good stuff.” I feel like the musical score kind of hurts the scene a bit and doesn’t quite match the tone and mood as well.

@freelancerthe2561

11 ай бұрын

@@geovaughan8261 This concept got pointed out a lot in the tail end of the 2010s, where the people directing and editing movies are so afraid that an audience can't read a scene, that you have to triple down on every cue to tell them what they need to feel. No room to breath and internalize it.... just moving from one cue to another. Oh, and if something is serious, you need a comedy bit every 12 seconds to break it up. Because music does a really good job of invoking certain emotional beats, its become overused in movie productions like rapid cuts in action scenes, and statements of observation, as they don't trust a scene to work on its own merits. Don't get me wrong. Good music can totally elevate a scene. But now its doing more heavy lifting, to make up for deficiencies in other areas of the production. Writing especially. I noticed while watching the video that I stopped thinking about whats being said, and that my mood was completely set by the music. ..... and when I noticed it started to feel really weird. "Lets go on an adventure!!!.... wait.... wtf?".

@marcc16

11 ай бұрын

@@freelancerthe2561extremely well put. I really wish more movies were scoreless. It would hopefully be an antidote to our overstimulated overcaffeinated brains.

The way Gandalf messes with Sam before he leaves 😢😂

I love how there talking about something so serious and scary and yet as there crossing over the bridge Frodo just starts strutting like he’s so proud of himself!

@pamelah6431

11 ай бұрын

😂

@Durwood71

11 ай бұрын

That's one of the odd things about this film, how the animation is so out of step with the dialog, and the fact that none of the characters can stop gesturing.

@ultimateshipper8997

11 ай бұрын

Swag Frodo smoke pipeweed every day

@jacobje00

10 ай бұрын

My man is SWAGGERING

@alicemargiela

10 ай бұрын

@@Durwood71noooo my cartoon characters are too cartoony!!!

The voice actors for this movie were actually trying, but the animators did such a hilarious job. Every character looks like a Disney character with a facial siezure, and the way Gandalf walks is just marvelous.

@stefanocrespi5424

9 ай бұрын

That's because they were actually actors shoot and then rotoscoped. Exactly like Disney used to do.

@Nedmac

9 ай бұрын

@@stefanocrespi5424 That's what I predicted

@joeyn985

9 ай бұрын

I think that's a bit harsh. The animation in these movies was groundbreaking at the time.

@bbgun061

9 ай бұрын

​@@joeyn985groundbreaking, yes. But very poorly done. The characters' movements speed up and slow down strangely. It looks natural one second and then suddenly bizarre and impossible.

@TimmyChUwU

8 ай бұрын

@@bbgun061 2D animation is very time consuming and I bet they didn’t have that nor the money to hire talent. That being said, yeah I agree with you the animation could have been better but I’m sure they did the best they could given the circumstances.

The look on Frodo's face when he offers the ring to Gandalf and it is rejected is a very... odd choice. Instead of looking concerned and confused (as Elijah Wood does in Peter Jackson's trilogy), Frodo looks disgusted at Gandalf. That was one thing that really weirded me out about this animated version as a kid. During key interactions, the characters seemed to perform comical or misplaced emotions on their faces and it really detracted from the dialogue.

@manishm9478

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, and look at how pleased Frodo looks when Gandalf is happy about his decision to go away - like he's fishing for approval. Odd. I wonder if the artists weren't given full context of the scene.

@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking

11 ай бұрын

_Editor was smokin' crack._

@ruskerdax5547

6 ай бұрын

I don't know why, I've heard others say this also, but I never interpreted it this way. I always saw him look with a bit of shock and surprise. Maybe it's just less clear as a result of the rotoscoping.

@RichardMiller-tq6ut

6 ай бұрын

Hobbits don't think like us

@fungdark8270

6 ай бұрын

@@ruskerdax5547yeah, I see it more as “Jesus, what the F, I thought you were wise and stuff and you’re scared of the ring? Chill out”

1:39 gotta love Frodo's poker face

@TheRealNormanBates

11 ай бұрын

I think Gandalf “cast a spell.”

@pamelah6431

11 ай бұрын

😂

@Durwood71

11 ай бұрын

I have no idea what that expression is supposed to convey.

@UltimateDorito

11 ай бұрын

​@@Durwood71it looks to me like disgust at Merlin's weakness, but really Merlin was right to admit that he couldn't be trusted. If he hadn't been honest and vulnerable, all would be lost.

@Durwood71

11 ай бұрын

@@UltimateDorito Merlin?

The "Aruman" kills me

@Idazmi7

11 ай бұрын

The "S" is silent. 😆

@Xerxes2005

11 ай бұрын

I read somewhere that the producer or Bakshi himself thought Saruman sounded too much like Sauron, so they called him Haruman instead. I first saw this movie in French though and he was called "Saroumane". That's how they spell it in the French translation of the books.

@warlordofbritannia

11 ай бұрын

@@Xerxes2005 And sometimes they still call him Saruman…this film is such a great mess, I love it

@JOfJaZ

11 ай бұрын

@@warlordofbritanniait’s even worse because in the scene where Saruman captures Gandalf, Gandalf is yelling BOTH pronunciations!

@Aurion254

11 ай бұрын

I always thought he said arrowman. Strange name for a wizard 😂

This shows how much of a role music plays in conveying character emotion and the tone of a scene. The composer "shore" knew what he was doing!

@AliciaB.

11 ай бұрын

I bet you think that was terribly clever !

@sptownsend999

11 ай бұрын

@@AliciaB. 😜

@eggypop09

11 ай бұрын

Nice

@commandercaptain4664

11 ай бұрын

But the other composer knew how to put “rose in, man”… dangit, puns is tough.

It's crazy to me how much Frodo sounds like Elijah Wood and Sam sounds like Sean Astin. I guess that Peter Jackson was probably heavily influenced by this movie.

@Tonatheos

11 ай бұрын

He admitted that he was

@srehh5529

11 ай бұрын

Peter Jackson said he got into LotR because of this movie

@seekkr

11 ай бұрын

Yeah I actually thought they put the movie's dialog on top of the animation because this Frodo sounds so much like Elijah Wood.

@lurklingX

11 ай бұрын

i was struck by that, too. though the whole time i was thinking "Oh, Sean... they did your character dirty." it seemed like they were trying to make him a bit... mentally not all there. and more than a bit simple. there was a cartoon i'm sort of thinking of but can't recall enough details -- "Tell me about the _____s, George". fak. can't get more than this half remembered quote. but they made that character kinda hurr durr. wish i could remember the word used as that'd help an ID. pretty sure they were animal characters?

@UltimateDorito

11 ай бұрын

​@@lurklingX"Tell me about the rabbits, George." That was Lenny from Of Mice and Men.

The only thing preventing this animation being a masterpiece on its own is not getting finished.

@makeitsonumberone1358

11 ай бұрын

Always remember watching this when i was 8 and thinking that ended weirdly lol

@jbrisby

11 ай бұрын

It is finished, just not by Hackshi.

@warlordofbritannia

11 ай бұрын

And what they did to Sam…and the Balrog…and by severing abridging the story…and the funky facial expressions on Gandalf in particular…ok maybe this was never meant to be a masterpiece but it could’ve been very good! 😂

@thisiswhatilike54

11 ай бұрын

@@jbrisbyYou shall not speak of Bakshi in this manner again, heretic

@BryPazReacts

11 ай бұрын

The Fascinating thing about this movie is how You watch the budget fall apart minute by minute

It's nice when a scene doesn't have music, letting the atmosphere work its own magic

@VAFranky

11 ай бұрын

Yeah the music really doesn't fit here. It breaks the intended mood and distracts from the dialogue.

@dungeonmaster6292

11 ай бұрын

Agreed

@EQOAnostalgia

11 ай бұрын

Eh, disagree. There are times for silence. Other scenes are elevated by music and imo this was one of those scenes.

@mileshall9235

11 ай бұрын

❤

@Nimoot

11 ай бұрын

You are in such a minority here, it's cute. XD

I saw this in the theater a lot of times as a kid, and loved it, and later worked as an animator for Ralph Bakshi, so I'm a little biased, but I think it holds up really well. Of course, I wish they had come back and finished it...when the first live-action one came out in 2001 I e-mailed Ralph and listed three scenes they cribbed from ol' '78- all good swipes. He got a kick out of it, but they showed him some respect by retaining a few of his ideas. This version was also very beautifully scored.

@JackBeddows

11 ай бұрын

Hey Joe! That's fantastic! Which Bakshi film did you work on? I love his stuff, and the fact that they didn't finish this project kills me to this day.... And yes, the score for the 78 LOTR is great too, I agree.

@SurferJoe1

11 ай бұрын

@@JackBeddows "Cool World", his last feature, in Burbank, a short walk down the hill from where I lived then. Ralph was/is a ball of energy, and would enthusiastically hire artists he met everywhere, and I knew maybe a dozen guys who had gotten their starts in the business on LOTR, "in-betweening orc hairs". I have a nice framed cel of Frodo and Sam, close-up in night colors, hanging in my office. I still love this film and its score, which I have on a Japanese CD from the nineties. Bought the tie-in book, painted the little metal figures, all when I was thirteen.

@lorensteinman8486

11 ай бұрын

It's a truly a terrific movie. Animation let the book come alive on screen, and the rotoscoping let's it transcend animation into a beautiful blend of fantasy and reality, which is the perfect tone for the book. The mattes are fantastic too. Some character design and some of the dialogue and staging are a bit questionable, but all-in-all it's amazing. To be honest... I think Frodo in this scene is better than about any point in PJ's. Of course, I think everyone who really watches it wishes there was a RotK, but the one by Rankin & Bass has some bright spots in it. However, I love how Bakshi worked around the issues. If you ignore your knowledge of RotK, the movie concludes perfectly. It set up this idea of the end of mankind, and Helm's Deep encapsulates that well. Bakshi's LotR is epic poetry. You worked with a legend, and I mean, as an animator you brought such works to life. That's really an awesome story, being enthralled by a movie then going to work for that same director who helped inspire you. Those are the best cinema stories imo.

@Maplicito

11 ай бұрын

@SurferJoe1 I totally agree about Ralph finishing it. His version of LOTR is still my favourite and I wish he had had his chance to complete the story.

@ctrdnaskelo2541

11 ай бұрын

The hobbits hiding under the tree roots, Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli running sequence are the two things I can name off the top of my head as almost copy-pasted. Scenes and designs - movies borrow a lot. I'd even go as far as calling them a reboot, rather than an original work (so to speak). What Jackson brought to the table was beautiful landscapes of New Zealand... Which he did because of his previous projects in NZ. When you think about it, it's not THAT special. Just like Star Wars, if you've seen films of that period. I mean, R2 is a fleshed out bot from Silent Running.

I love that bit when Gandalf makes sam flinch lol

@AdamBechtol

4 ай бұрын

ya :p

"The wizard Aruman".

Frankly, I like the original version of this scene better. The soundtrack isn't bad, but I feel like it detracts from the atmosphere. It's supposed to be solemn and somber, these are extremely heavy issues Frodo and Gandalf are talking about. This is a scene that was clearly written to be viewed without a soundtrack backing it.

I love the backgrounds in this scene. This was a great imagining of LOTR.

Sam: Don't let him hurt me Frodo: He won't hurt you *Gandalf casually grabs a knife and*

@brucetucker4847

6 ай бұрын

Frodo: He won't hurt you. Much.

What I notice about this scene is how well it’s done, with music or without. In fact, I like the non-musical version a little better.

Rotoscoping is such an underrated animation method at this point in time and should honestly be used way more.

@-DRIP

11 ай бұрын

It’s motion capture now. I used to want to be an animator but if you’re talking about this form of media, motion capture is the new form of roto-scoping, not to say roto-scoping is a dead artform, just a different form of art form. But when it comes to more accurately animated character’s body movements in 2D or 3D it’s motion capture. Gif knows how animation will evolve in the future now that we have A.I.

@RegularCupOfJoe

11 ай бұрын

Rotoscoping for animation? Yes. Otherwise, rotoscoping for matting out actors and objects in a movie shot on film? No. Absolutely not.

@eyesofthefox

11 ай бұрын

Joel Haver uses a form of rotoscoping for his animations.

@lawr5764

11 ай бұрын

Another great example is AMERICAN POP.

@thegatorhator6822

11 ай бұрын

You think this looks *good*?

1:40 The facial expression here is priceless

(3:24) I love the last little BOO! that Gandalf gives Sam. 😉

When I tell people about this movie, and make comparisons, I tell them that I tend to like Bakshi Frodo and Bakshi Aragorn better than their Jackson counterparts (though I still love Jackson Aragorn). But I always end it with, "And then there's Sam... we don't talk about Bakshi Sam..."

@kennethdickinson2591

11 ай бұрын

I grew up reading the books, and for me this depiction of Sam captures his heart and personality - his roots, as it were - better than Sean Astin’s portrayal. Astin’s acting is too…refined. His mannerisms and movements are not those of a hobbit who’s been a gardener most of his life. He also doesn’t LOOK like someone who spends most of his time outside.

@Durwood71

11 ай бұрын

@@kennethdickinson2591 True, but to Astin's credit, he doesn't portray Sam as a complete buffoon.

@lurklingX

11 ай бұрын

i feel like the frodos have a lot in common actually. and no, this sam will never be mentioned again. fffffGAH.

@BeefJerkey

11 ай бұрын

Definitely a better Aragorn in this older movie. I like him a lot more than the newer one. As for Frodo, the older version speaks a lot more naturally.

@creaturefeaturecosplay

10 ай бұрын

I've always liked most of the portrayals in this version (I grew up on this and the Rankin Bass Hobbit and RotK) The one that I just can't understand from the Bakshi film is Roman Senator Elrond. Such a bizarre choice

I don't get some of the hate for the animated films. They're certainly flawed (particularly with different people doing only two parts of the Lod of the Rings trilogy), but as a kid at the time, with no other Tolkien material on the screen (big or small), they were pure magic to me. This was before all the fantasy movies that came out in the 80s, and when major studios weren't doing animation. Seeing the Hobbit in two parts on TV (also the animated CS Lewis's The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe in two parts), I became hooked on fantasy. They opened up new magical worlds full of threat and beauty, and heroism. Even now I have to turn to old movies for my kids when I want to show them any serious fantasy because certainly the Rings of Power or Willow won't cut it. And even the Peter Jackson trilogy is 20 years old now. So I can't fault the animated films for being for kids, or for not being perfect adaptations or a highly polished major studio release.

@rb1691

11 ай бұрын

This is well said. I've done my share of ragging on the Bakshi version. But I find in retrospect, it has its own charm. Either I've mellowed out or am more perceptive to the good stuff. And the other shows you mention... The Lion, The Witch, And The Wardrobe...the 1977 version of The Hobbit is actually superior in certain ways to the Peter Jackson: certainly less cluttered. I mention other shows where the animated is superior to the live action. Ghost In The Shell. Avatar The Last Airbender. The Disney original animated compared to the live action remakes. But I'm just gabbing away at this point.

@crimsonmask3819

11 ай бұрын

I was only disappointed that Bakshi's movie ended where it did and was never continued. Wizards and Fire & Ice were great, too, but LotR remaining incomplete, as it is, is still disappointing. What bothers me about the Peter Jackson version is that, as well-made as it is, he chose particular artists' visions that I didn't always think were the best of how artists had imagined Tolkien's world over the years, particularly the dark creatures. Now, Jackson's choices seem to be locked in for good with anything Tolkien-related going forward. Also, I hate to say it, but Jackson's version Hobbit is more bad than good.

@jschap712

11 ай бұрын

@@crimsonmask3819 I'd say that problem has more to do with lazy producers like Amazon than Peter Jackson though. Peter got people who'd been known for their Tolkien art long before he started the film to do work on it. And a limitation of live action films is that painting and drawing can be more symbolic and capture the underlying feeling and wonder, and can allow the viewer to interact with their own take, while photography locks it into the action on the screen. Personally, I prefer the more 70s aesthetic the animated films drew from.

@jschap712

11 ай бұрын

@@rb1691 The Hobbit is certainly a bloated film that became a rush job due to studio interference. I will always wonder what del Toro, or Jackson if he was given more time to plan after taking over, would have produced.

@profezzordarke4362

11 ай бұрын

@@jschap712 I always say I'm happy that Jackson did the Hobbit, everything else would have ended *worse*

1:22 Lol, Gandalfs hand motions kill me. He's like "no no no."

Feels more dramatic and cinematic

I like how the 1978 version gave Sam an arc and had him become a lot more serious of a character by the end...but they still made him way too childish at the beginning. To date, I feel the best Samwise portrayal was Roddy McDowell from Rankin-Bass's RETURN OF THE KING.

@virgilxavier1

11 ай бұрын

Definitely agree with you on the rank and bass version

@android584

11 ай бұрын

Haven't seen either of those but having recently re-read the books I feel that Frodo's thunder was stolen as the senior hobbit in the Jackson films. In this short segment Frodi does look taller and more mature than Sam.

the atmospheric sound is so beautiful, it really places you in the Shire.

My only question is why they insisted on mispronouncing Saruman's name every chance they got.

@Aenimus12

11 ай бұрын

I read that they decided to change Saruman to Aruman because they felt the names of Sauron and Saruman were too similar

@montecristo1845

11 ай бұрын

@@Aenimus12 That’s most likely true but oh so disappointing. 🤦‍♂️ “Hi, we’re the filmmakers. We have no trust in Tolkien’s knowledge of languages and names, and no faith in the audience.”Surprised they didn’t change “Aragorn son of Arathorn” to “Aragorn son of Fred.”

@JohnSmith-jh6ey

8 ай бұрын

THAT WAS THE SS-STUDIOS FAULT

I like when the rotoscope actor for strider falls over his sword and they just left it in anyway

@warlordofbritannia

11 ай бұрын

This film is such a hot mess, you can’t help but love it 😂

@BeefJerkey

11 ай бұрын

Somehow I don't remember that happening. When was that?

@bobloblaw418

11 ай бұрын

@@BeefJerkey kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z393rsaBoLLIcqg.html there you go dude

Wow... even the timing of the dialogue seems more natural with the musical score of the Peter Jackson movies.

This old cartoon is such a mixed bag.... so unique, beautiful and ahead of its time (or today) ; but also so weird and trippy; and goofy in places (I'm thinking of the 'oh hurray' memes, and Aragorn literally tripping over his own sword.)

@robertodell9193

11 ай бұрын

Cinematographer: Aragorn tripped over his sword. Ralph, should we do another take? Ralph Bakshi: Naaah. It'll be fine.

@headecas

11 ай бұрын

did he break his toe when he tripped?

@matthewbateman6487

11 ай бұрын

@@headecas Lol

@Catherine_Longstaff

11 ай бұрын

Not to mention the fact that none of the humans wear pants

@rikk319

11 ай бұрын

@@Catherine_Longstaff People didn't have pants back then--even in the 1700s men wore breeches, not pants--they went down to your knee, and your socks covered your lower legs. Pants weren't a thing until the 1800s. Any pants before then in film are an anachronism.

The background mattes are amazing here, and the feel of the rotoscoping is really something you don't get even with mo-cap.

I love the score from the jackson films but in this case i don't think it works as well it distracts form the art work of the shire behind them

@illyich75

11 ай бұрын

I had seen the Bakshi version so many times as a kid and had the soundtrack on cassette and then CD to play while reading the books. I can bring up that specific tune in my mind as a read a certain section or chapter now. Leonard was a fantastic composer, RIP!

@makeitsonumberone1358

11 ай бұрын

Oh mark my words Peter Jackson definatley was inspired by this movie

@HawkOfGP

11 ай бұрын

I also don't think it's sufficiently edited to fit this scene here. The mood feels weird and clashing with the way the scene is cut as compared to Shore's music. Even if you actually asked Howard Shore himself to go back to do a score for the Bakshi film, he would do it differently from the Peter Jackson trilogy because the feel and flow is just different!

@piratesswoop725

11 ай бұрын

@@HawkOfGPYeah, they just took the first track from the ROTK soundtrack and stuck it under the film. It would’ve worked better with some editing.

Very nice. The music adds another layer of complexity and understanding to what is happening on screen.

Unironically this is the most captivating animation I have ever seen in my life. Immediately grabs my attention and I can't look away. I have to watch this movie. It's so lifelike it's unbelievable

@vexienroe

6 ай бұрын

Those dead eyes though.

@jonathanbirch2022

3 ай бұрын

The movie seemed to run out of budget halfway through and eventually they just stopped rotoscoping the actors lol

Animators: What do you want us to do with Gandalf's hands? Director: Yes.

I would love to hear the Ork chant from the 1978 film used in *The Two Towers.*

What makes Peters LotR so awesome: 15% scenery 15% camera & vfx 30% actors 40% music 🎶

I watched this on the big screen in 78 as 9 year old and I still love it....Mistakes and all !

Ralph Bakshi was a GOD in my school of ART & DESIGN where he attended. We all wanted to become animators because of his achievements. This film could use an updated directors cut, with some updated special effects.

@baxpiz1289

11 ай бұрын

57th st?

@JohannRosario1

11 ай бұрын

@@baxpiz1289 - Yes.

I would 10/10 rewatch this if it was rescored.

3 time Oscar winner Howard Shore is a great artist. His use of music colors the scene and does much to guide our emotions. He has scored many films, but the LOTR franchise was truly a magnum opus of his career and will create a permanent place in the artistic archives for generations to both enjoy and learn from.

frodo and Gandalf, casually growing 4x their size as they walk across the bridge

I really wished Bakshi would have finished the work he started and made Return of the King it would have been more mature instead we got a childrens cartoon and WHERE THERES A WHIP THERES A WAY!!!!!

Sam looks like Buddy Hacket.

This film was my introduction to Tolkien back in 1979 in the UK. No point comparing it to the Peter Jackson adaptation in my opinion, as they are both wonderful in different ways. Loved it then, and love it now!

"Howard Shore is a genius", correct. This is a great comparison you did.

This made the scene so much better. But they truly did ruin Sam in this movie, an unforgivable evil. Even though I liked how Gandalf basically summons Sam from a bush, as there is no prior indication of Sam being there.

@illyich75

11 ай бұрын

29 seconds. You see the bush move and can hear the sound of Sam's shears.

@crinklyonion1410

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, there’s pretty much no indication other than a small shake of a bush.

@makeitsonumberone1358

11 ай бұрын

Still better than Sean Astins sam

@Xerxes2005

11 ай бұрын

I don't know about that. Sam does look like a simpleton in The Fellowship of the Ring, especially in the beginning. It is really in The Return of the King that he starts to shine. Too bad Bakshi didn't get to complete the story. I would have liked to see what he would have done with Sam's story ark.

Awesome treatment of this scene. FYI - For anyone wondering why Gandalf/Galadriel freak out when offered the ring... _The more powerful the being, the quickly it corrupts them._ That's why: A) The ring-bearer needs to be carried by the least-powerful of all humanoid species (Hobbits.) B) The ring cannot go ANYWHERE near the Eagles. The Eagles are _the most_ powerful beings (as species go) on Middle Earth at this time. Gandalf is a class of Archangel called _Istari_ , so he's (barely) strong enough to resist seizing the ring while traveling near it. Galadriel - is much more powerful. She is 1/4 God, 3/4 First Age Elf. Her temptation/pull is far greater. Both of them freak out - and give Frodo visions of what would happen once they took it. They are trying _very hard_ to get him to never do that again. Tempted often enough - they'd succumb. (But as a kid, this anger/freakout stuff they did just made me scared, and I didn't understand it.)

@rikk319

11 ай бұрын

The eagles aren't more powerful than the ents, or the elves. They're servants of Manwe, but they keep mostly to themselves. Gandalf is a maia, not a vala; valar are the equivalent to archangels, like Manwe, Varda, and Orome. You're confusing Galadriel with Luthien--her mother was a maia, so she was 1/2 angel, half elf...which makes all her descendants (Elrond, Elros, Arwen, Aragorn, etc.) a touch of maia as well.

@StarryEyed0590

11 ай бұрын

@@rikk319 Exactly. Galadriel is not descended from the Maiar, and Gandalf "unveiled" is definitely more powerful than she is. I don't read it as the Ring corrupts the powerful more quickly than the weak (the resiliency of Hobbits is something separate), but rather a question of how much "damage" the person could do if corrupted. For example, Gollum/Smeagol is basically entirely corrupted by the Ring... but he doesn't become a dark lord, a Power, he uses it to sneak up on goblins and eat them. Sam's great temptation while Ringbearer is to use the Ring to... create a really big, really awesome garden. THAT's why it's far too dangerous to have Gandalf or Galadriel keep the Ring. They would not be able to resist using it to "put everything right" but as they became corrupted, the enormous power they wield would inevitably be used to do terrible things.

@tandersan

11 ай бұрын

Trying to remember here. Galadriel was second in power compared to Feanor, but much wiser. Let’s suppose that some of Galadriel power can be applied to combat. Gandalf the Grey barely manage to win a battle against a Balrog. Feanor ate Balrogs for breakfast. If Galadriel is somewhere in between, I believe could beat Gandalf the Grey in power. Now now, Galadriel choose not to fight, therefore lack in experience. So in combat I trust Gandalf experience first. And then Glorfindel 😅

@rikk319

11 ай бұрын

@@tandersan Tolkien himself said of Galadriel, in the First Age: "She was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats." Her name was Artanis Nerwen, "The Man-maiden". Until in Doriath, around 60 First Age, her husband Celeborn gave her a new name: 'Galadriel'. She loved this name so much she decided to go on with this name the rest of her life. Still...she was literally named by Tolkien as a broad-shouldered amazon type.

@dandiehm8414

11 ай бұрын

The Srongest Elf ever was weaker than the weakest Maia in inherent power.

Really pro job of editing the soundtrack to fit the old movie.

Amazing how the score of the films is iconic as the book itself. You can't do a LotR movie or series without that score

It was this movie that introduced me to the world of Tolkien, and the fantasy world in general. Personally this movie is very important to me and also had a big influence on my love for art and creativity. As others have said - very VERY UNDERATED!

Seriously huge, the cadence no longer feels like it’s so slow, the music fills the quieter moments with the emotion of the characters so you can really feel them. Sam is still weird though.

Aruman was quite the wizard. Head of his order.

Thank you SO MUCH for putting PERFECT music into this NOSTALGIC & TIMELESS scene! PLEASE do more of this!

I got chills! Thanks for posting

The music definitely fits here, although I really don't know why Sam was portrayed like this...and even then and there, what the hell was Sam even doing, in the middle of the night, hiding behind a bush, next to a stream....or do we want to know?! 😰

@lanetower3411

11 ай бұрын

Spying on his crush.

@makeitsonumberone1358

11 ай бұрын

🤣

@sir_john_hammond

11 ай бұрын

He was waiting in the bushes of love

@brucetucker4847

6 ай бұрын

Eavesdropping. Or maybe sneakin'.

That little hand flick Gandolf gives Samwise at the end...........Perfect.

THE WIZARD ARUMAN??? 3:18

It sure makes me appreciate the Bakshi version even more.

It's demonstrates that this scene should not have been scored at all.

4:12 Simply spine-tingling.

The voice acting is phenomenal, but the facial expressions are HILARIOUS.

As lovely as what you have done with the sound track is, I do prefer it without the music. The music takes away from the atmosphere of the scene. It is good when you can have some silence without music to create actmosphere.

@mgjk

11 ай бұрын

I would be happy to see an edit of the Peter Jackson films with 1/3 the music... it's like every time you see a hobbit, the Hobbiton theme blares in "DA DAAA DAA DA DA DA". I don't know why they had to do that. The Rankin Bass film gets this much better.

Any chance you can do this for the full movie? Amazing how the music even makes the line reads better

@ZVEB

Жыл бұрын

I actually did 13 minutes of the film and instantly got blocked by copyright claim. If the day ever comes I can put the whole shebang on my channel I'll do the rest in a heartbeat.

@samuelhealy4425

Жыл бұрын

The og soundtrack to the movie is really good tho

@samwallaceart288

11 ай бұрын

Reminds me of an observation my fam made watching the behind-the-scenes to Peter Jackson's; particularly the rough cut to the council of Elrond sequence. With the awkward pauses at the end of each take left in, and the total lack of music or sound effects; the acting _feels worse._ Made me appreciate the value of good editing. That last tightening up of all the pieces and finding the rhythm of the edit makes everything register better and you stop thinking about the actors and the stage. The KZreadr "This Guy Edits" did a great video where he took a crack at improving a scene from a Niel Breen movie. Notoriously stilted and hammy material, the guy was able to tighten things up and even rearranged some lines to recontextualize a character being stupid and needing the same information repeated twice, to them being panicked and "not listening", making the repeated line a dramatic emphasis "hey, focus" rather than aimless repetition.

@travelphotos7662

11 ай бұрын

@@ZVEB this scene is totally ruined by the LotR movie music. It doesn't need a score. the story was conveyed well by the actors and the visual. there was a reason the dirctor of the animated version didn't used music, so leave it that way.

@sultanoswing

11 ай бұрын

Any chance you could complete the script, animation & score for the Return of the King?

Hearing the soundtrack makes me want to watch the movies.

I loved this film when I was a child. The newer score is amazing, really brings it home.

Those facial expressions and gesticulations, man 😆 They're so weird and uncanny and break all immersion.

I enjoy this animated version more each time I watch it.

I so love Bakshi's animation!! It'll always have a dear place in my heart so thank you so much for this. I just must add that Mithrandir will never ever be outdone! We need ever new rehearsals of that majestic musical masterpiece and children's choir!

this is great! well done mate!

Ah, yes. The wizard Arrow Man.

@robertagren9360

11 ай бұрын

Aruman

My high school English teacher loved this movie, and would play it on a VCR during study hall in her classroom (along with the first two Indiana Jones movies). Would have been around 1986-1988. Ah, memories.

THE MUSIC MAKES SUCH A DIFFERENCE I LOVE THIS WITH THESE SONGS

It's definitely two different styles of directing, building atmosphere, and two different approaches at how to tell a story that comes from a book. To hear Tolkien's opinions on both would be fascinating. Hate them or love them, it would be truly interesting to listen to his commentary on the matter. I'd love to hear his take on Howard Shore's music too.

Great way to demonstrate the impact of music - I’ve always said the soul of a film, or indeed videogame, is it’s score.

i had this VHS tape. i watched it half a dozen times. i have no memory of this scene. why ? am i getting old ? no, its the children.

Patrick Doyle's 1978 score is seriously underrated.

@dandiehm8414

11 ай бұрын

??? I thought it was by Leonard Rosenman.

I love Howard shores music but I think I prefer the original OST or in some scenes lack there of

"I must go south, to consult with the wizard, -S- aruman: the head of my order. Be careful, Frodo..." ... "BOO!!!"

I love the way Frodo walks 😂

Gandalf’s arm waving really bothers me 😅

Both seem good in their own right. Love the music but sometimes just hearing the natural background noises is kinda nice. Also….damn they really did Sam wrong in this movie 😂

I needed this tonight. Genius

The music really helps the awkward silences where the characters are just gesturing and not talking at all

This portrayal of Sam is actually very accurate book wise....

I love how you did this. Ralph Bakshi, I would say, by far has a superior script, especially in regard to Frodo's characterization, but Howard Shore's soundtrack does much to improve the tone.