is no one gonna talk about how janus' name is the same as the Roman god Janus who has two heads, is the god of new beginnings and doors (both mental and physical), his 2 heads (one young one old) allow him to look at all aspects of a situation and come up with a conclusion that is inclusive and his two heads look at both evil and good!!!! and im pretty sure that's why deceits name is janus, he has two sides, looks at all aspects of the situation etc

@szaboluca5536

4 жыл бұрын

I mean even his symbol is a two-headed snake

@giuliasantini8427

4 жыл бұрын

Holy hell.... thank you for sharing!

@oreokitkat7992

4 жыл бұрын

And I'm pretty sure Janus had a role in a myth including Romulus-

@shelbiecain9289

4 жыл бұрын

Yass

@nocturnecz3965

4 жыл бұрын

I've seen Janus mentioned as a possible name for Deceit exactly for these reasons. Add the fact that all the 'dark' sides have names of a similar origin and it's a pretty solid case. I won't lie, I screamed when he introduced himself. We got it right!

The broken and sad look on Janus/Deceit's face when Roman was insulting him after he reveled his name is heartbreaking

@crowlowin4330

4 жыл бұрын

And then he lashed out with something he knew would hurt Roman! It's interesting, he usually seems so put together but when he was hurt he lashed out. I love these characters so much!!!

@gloryasme

4 жыл бұрын

Roman insulted Virgil's name too and when he's finally awake again in Intrusive Thoughts he refers to Remus as Dukey, I think Roman has a thing against the Others that plays into his insecurities, especially after how he reacts to what Janus hits him right after

@Jeiissleepy

4 жыл бұрын

Ngl that was a very teary moment

@gingerweasel

4 жыл бұрын

It also looked like he kind of regretted bringing up Remus. Like the kind of thing where you're so mad you yell at someone and it's a low blow. And as the words are coming out of your mouth, you're partially regretful but then you think, "Well, they deserved it. They were being even worse."

@connor4391

4 жыл бұрын

Can I get a time stamp

God, Janus is written so well in this episode He plays the devil's advocate for all the arguments but never actively steers thomas wrong. He has good arguments without needing to quote, and he's kind of like a compliment to Logan.

@Unidentified952

Жыл бұрын

Yeah!

@bee_the_fox_

11 ай бұрын

Actually, the "compliment" is extremely accurate due to the fact that blue and yellow are invertered colors, which compliment each other! You invert blue, you get yellow and vice-versa! You are one smart cookie!

@lukeroberson2115

9 ай бұрын

Janus is the compliment to Patton, the same way Remus is a compliment to Roman. My personal belief is the upcoming orange side will be Logan's foil.

Did anyone notice how the two sides that were missing (Remus and Virgil) were the two sides that actually played a really large role in this episode? The anxiety over having to pick between yourself and others, as well as guilt, and the dark creativity needed to imagine those train car scenarios

@galaxyweirdo1018

2 жыл бұрын

This comment sounds so smart

@Sarah-vv6in

2 жыл бұрын

My theory is that whenever the other sides aren’t “physically there”, Thomas actually embodies their personality and role. It’s not full proof because of the anxiety 2 parter but in the moving on 2 parter Logan said that he wasn’t an emotion and couldn’t really duck 🦆 out. And of course Thomas actually said “falsehood”. So Thomas feeling anxious and imagining that dark situation makes complete sense to me cause they are part of him after all. Does that make sense? lol

@fallenpaint4494

2 жыл бұрын

i can just see the two watching the show, and when janus came into scene virgil said 'Now i think its time to dial down, i feel like making the snake cry would be to far' and remus just makes roman go off

@ithinkamberiscool

2 жыл бұрын

LITERALLY THOUGHT THAT

@IguessImhere223

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sarah-vv6in Quack

Janus going back to the mind palace be like: Janus: Virgil, I get why you didn’t want to share your name now. Virgil: so he laughed at yours too? Janus: **makes ‘duh’ face**

@charsiupau20

4 жыл бұрын

Poor boys

@malixnant

4 жыл бұрын

Shadow Monster In Your Closet it rly be like that doe

@Destroyer-mm9rl

4 жыл бұрын

omg yes 😂😂

@emi2664

4 жыл бұрын

aw :,)(

@grisbel7836

4 жыл бұрын

Cute

*everyone talking/arguing for one hour* *Remus and Virgil in mind scape playing just dance*

@pip_a_doodle2175

4 жыл бұрын

Or cards against humanity xD

@luvvkitt3ns499

4 жыл бұрын

@@pip_a_doodle2175 _y e s_ 😂 Edit: that would be probably Remus's idea 😂

@SakuWasHereFirst

4 жыл бұрын

*Caring Ocean* they were probably playing both

@bonesindecember

4 жыл бұрын

Actually that probably is what they are doing.

@blazing2585

4 жыл бұрын

@@pip_a_doodle2175 I'm just imagineing them in a corner of the mindscape playing because Virgil got board and Remus showed up

I noticed this watch that when Logan pops up again, Janus has a little "oh sh*t" moment-but after that, as Logan speaks, he sort of leans in, looking genuinely interested. Whether he's playing it up to make Logan feel better or if he's just actually interested, I think it's sweet how intently he's listening to Logan's info, especially given how insecure Logan's acting about it lately.

@elizakitty6579

2 жыл бұрын

Aww that is sweet. Thanks for pointing that out!! I hadn't noticed that before Also I think it's interesting that the "light" sides listen more to Logan when the "dark" sides are involved. Especially with the color wheel theory and the foreboding orange eyes that Logan has in the latest Asides episode, hinting at "the orange side" and that, in theory, orange would be considered a "dark" side

@alexinwonderland5782

2 жыл бұрын

yeah i also feel like he was getting frustrated that no one was listening to “logan” of all people. when deceit was disguised as logan you could tell he was getting annoyed. i feel like logan lowkey might be his favorite

@naan000

2 жыл бұрын

as much as deceit seems to enjoy toying with the sides and slightly pissing them off, he does seem to have an appreciation for logan and his logical ways

@kaelin_cherise

Жыл бұрын

@@naan000 I saw another comment that pointed this out: Deceit is not just lying. To deceive, you must know the truth to veer someone away from it. Deceit even as himself talks a lot like Logan because he needs the logic and information to make his arguments or to twist the facts in his favor.

@Thatonenerd88

Жыл бұрын

He hides his face and then is just like “Heyyyyyyyyy man how ya doin?” It’s Dutch an awkward and subtle gesture and it has me in tears😂

Did you know snakes are colorblind? So the line where janus says if remus didnt have a mustache he wouldn't be able to tell whos the evil twin might be true for him.

@claireaquos6532

2 жыл бұрын

Oh 🤔

@purposehearts190

2 жыл бұрын

It also explains the red/blue shirt thing from a few episodes back cause the shirt was gray.

@moothecow8029

2 жыл бұрын

@@purposehearts190 oh yeah!

@percyjackson4709

2 жыл бұрын

@@purposehearts190 i mean, it had red and blue on it sooo

@markyboi9354

Жыл бұрын

Noooooooooooooooooo (Is it a Pokémon reference or a just a pun you thought of and thought wuz funny)

You can tell Thomas has been getting more comfortable with some topics with us, the religion jokes, swears, he wouldn't do this before, but uh these ideas are AWESOME, the 8-bit songs, the graphics that are everywhere now, and call backs, I would never complain

@neon.pink.productions

4 жыл бұрын

Same, totally agree.

Decades from now, people are going to analyze the great philosopher Thomas Sanders and be so amazed and confused why he is the same persons talking to himself in a bunch of different outfits. Truly the Plato of our time.

@julien4305

4 жыл бұрын

Philosophers are always exotic beings Thomas fits in very well

@PurpleMoth459

4 жыл бұрын

True 😂😂

@MisterDeplume

4 жыл бұрын

He's like the modern Mr. Rogers, just for more mature audiences

Virgil: has a redemption ark Janus: is honestly trying to help Thomas Remus: eating deodorant in the background

@vendedordecanela

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly i prefer the dark sides

@foxle_

Жыл бұрын

Now let’s see what happens when orange is revealed

@TheMinecrafty3cl1pse

Жыл бұрын

I want to like, but I don't want to ruin the 666- so take this as a like-

@Lunarwolf57272

Жыл бұрын

31:48 deceit vs lillypatton FIGHT!

@Zipper_cookie

Жыл бұрын

Wait, who is Janus again?

37:07 to 37:09. Just… Janus' _face,_ realizing Logan isn't here to shut him down and kick him out like nearing the end of SvS, but is actually in a roundabout way _validating what Janus himself said._ This is precious and hindsight is 20/20.

@PDragonBaby

Жыл бұрын

YES

@Fynchfire

Жыл бұрын

yeah

@mousestar369

9 ай бұрын

Just went back to take a second look at that. There is excitement in that expression. He smiles. He's been validated for what could be the first time in a very long time (possibly most of Thomas's life)

“You’re not stuck with an evil snake boy,” *dramatic pose* “You’re just stuck with a snake boy.”

@nmquestionmarkm1781

4 жыл бұрын

wholesome snek boiii 🤘

@chaoticmushroomchildren6936

4 жыл бұрын

That just made me love him even more!!

@nmquestionmarkm1781

4 жыл бұрын

@@chaoticmushroomchildren6936 yeee 🤘😄🤣

@thelittleprince7072

4 жыл бұрын

and that precious smile

@nmquestionmarkm1781

4 жыл бұрын

@@thelittleprince7072 shhHHHHH- IM GONNA START FANGIRLING AGAIN- 🤣🤣🤣

When Roman asked how they can trust Deceit and before he started to pull his glove off I was just chanting “Name! Name! Name!”

@thatrat8414

4 жыл бұрын

same lmao

@gizmonotgiz

4 жыл бұрын

I think we all were. At least, those of us who weren’t in tears. I take that back. I was in tears and still chanting it.

@raisinbread6128

4 жыл бұрын

gracedbyme when he said my name is I gasps and jumped so much

@somethingelse6774

4 жыл бұрын

YEEES

@avanthikakartha5468

4 жыл бұрын

I seriously thought he was just gonna show his hand cause it had a tattoo or something....😂😂

I adore how Janus starts out feeling like a villain but is revealed to actually have Thomas' best interests at heart, because it's so real. Lying feels inherently evil (and can be very toxic, certainly), but usually it just stems from the desire to protect oneself. It's one of the biggest reasons victims of abuse learn to lie: they NEED to in order to keep themselves safe, and once they've escaped, realizing you don't have to lie to protect yourself anymore is so alien it can be hard to grasp.

The absolute flex of having Leslie Odom Jr in your video but only giving him a few seconds of screen time

@MasterMagikarp

2 жыл бұрын

Chad move right there.

@sadie6094

2 жыл бұрын

"just your typical tuesday." -Thomas Sanders

@boomgirlbucko

2 жыл бұрын

I mean Thomas is definitely more popular than him soooo

Watching Janus’s hurt expressions when Roman called him evil hurt me, it made me cry. Janus is the Roman god of passages, gates and doors. He was often depicted with two faces. Deceit has two faces. Deceit/Janus is doing his best to protect and guide.

@idontwanttotellyou2554

4 жыл бұрын

Oh neat to know! I was confused bc I thought it was "Janice" like from the good place. I just thought "how does that apply here?"

@scapegoatcomics6168

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Janus has found an element of acceptance where his function is seen as valid and as a show of good faith he reveals his name...and Roman laughs, but unlike with Virgil revealing his name it's not funny or played as such. This time Roman has gone too far, and everyone makes sure he knows it. And just like that this moral absolutism he was clinging onto just got punched in the face

@nobinary2296

4 жыл бұрын

I liked Deceit the moment he was introduced. I too know Roman mythology. But what I thought about was how deceit isn't necessarily a bad thing. It can often be used to protect yourself. Like in the Court room episode. He was deceiving Thomas at first, but only for Thomas's own best interests. Deceit can be your own body protecting you, mentally and/or physically. Convincing yourself you did the right thing or lying to get out of a bad/potentially dangerous situation. I also wonder how long he's been there? Like for all we know he could have been a part of every episode. I also see bits of Logan and Patton in him. He isn't just Patton's other more adult moral side. He also gathers facts and information to make well informed arguments, unlike Patton, but more like Logan. He can also play a bit into Virgil's paranoia. Because whatever Thomas is worried about makes Deceit come out of the woodworks to better protect Thomas as he is also Thomas's biggest protector. I don't think Virgil or any of the others sees the amount of respect Deceit has for them as a whole. I mean, Roman doesn't count, because he's being a bit of a bully. But I think Janus was being genuine when he said he admired Roman's selfless act, sacrificing his own needs, and sentencing Thomas to the wedding. Though he didn't like being seen as a softie so he covered it up with a lie at the end that ended up sparking an argument between him and Roman. I think we're going to Roman's room soon. Roman is showing a lot of doubts, insecurities that he was clearly showing through out the video, and the last few minutes might have seemed like a betrayal to him. Making him step out in a way similar to how Virgil did. It will then be him and Janus reconciling because he never meant to genuinely hurt him. You can see him back pedal when he thinks he's gone too far, especially with Patton. He even defends Patton in their battle. That's my theory at least.

@retcho212

4 жыл бұрын

I don't want to tell you I mean it could’ve been Janice and not Janus and Mr.Sanders is just having a good laugh

„You need to unlearn that selfish is a dirty word“ LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

@cmd0317

4 жыл бұрын

PREACH

@blaze5126

4 жыл бұрын

I mean really, If people weren't selfish than they wouldn't be human, it's one of the things that makes people, people. They gotta get that info in their brains

@Cinnaschticks

3 жыл бұрын

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

@aetheryourfriend4001

3 жыл бұрын

i need to unlearn that

@smolamericanbean9120

3 жыл бұрын

LOUDER FOR ME CAUSE IM DEAF AF AND IGNORANT AF

that little pose Janus makes when he says "You're just stuck with a snake boi" is KILLING me

@ZK-ib2wp

3 жыл бұрын

So cute lol

@scocopat457

2 жыл бұрын

I have a screeshot of it

@Fynchfire

Жыл бұрын

me to

@magicrainbowkitties1023

11 ай бұрын

It is important to remember that they are all, at the end of the day, all parts of the same supremely silly individual.

@brynncess2228

6 ай бұрын

Time stamp?

Janus doesn't feel like 'Deceit' anymore. I feel like lying and maneuvering around the truth is less of a malicious aspect of his personality and more of a way to protect Thomas's. He isn't a one-dimensional embodiment of lies and trickery, he's simply the most adamant in looking out for Thomas' needs and desires. He protects his ability to think for himself and to do the things that he wants to do. Lying is only one aspect of what Janus is and what he stands for. As a whole, he's something like Thomas' guardian. I feel like Thomas started out by seeing things as they are on the surface. He saw Patton as morality and saw him as a constant force of good despite the fact that he also primarily represents emotion and Thomas's moral compass (doing good for others). as we've seen in this episode, it's clear that morality, though initially perceived as good, can be problematic and harmful to Thomas's mental health if not practiced in moderation. Roman is seen as Thomas' creativity, but he's later shown to also be his ambition, expression, and passion (which needs to be kept in check for obvious reasons). Thomas's view on morality had driven him to primarily focus on one aspect of 'creativity', which lead to the birth of the Duke, who was neglected because of what he represents. Then, there's Virgil, who carries all of Thomas's fear and doubt, who also serves as a guardian. Logan is someone who's already perceived as entirely logical and incapable of seeing things from an emotional point of view. His character was already in the gray zone rather than considered either good or bad by Thomas and/or the audience. Point is, I really appreciate this series, because you see genuine growth in the way Thomas perceives things and works through his dilemmas. Things are no longer black and white. Anxiety isn't just bad, Morality and Creativity aren't just good. If you don't approach things from every side's perspective, you'll never fully understand how you feel toward a specific dilemma you're having, especially if one side of yourself can have you believe something that could be harmful to the state of your mental health. This series is beginning to morph into the idea that nothing is one-dimensional, especially the characters living in your mind palace. I feel like future installments of this series are gonna involve fully accepting the darker aspects of your personality (like Janus, who's no longer just Deceit. He's grown into a fully three-dimensional character as soon as he was given a name not pertaining to everyone's already established preconceptions of him and his character). All in all, I adore this series with all of my heart. It feels like a therapy session and, as someone who has a good number of my own issues, I sincerely appreciate Thomas' takes on morality and selfishness. 'Kay, sorry for the essay. I'm done now lmao (2022: I didn't expect there to be so many people who'd appreciate how I see things and/or how I put it into words. I thought people would just scroll past my comment 'cause it was too long. Thanks for all the love. It definitely gave me a healthy amount of confidence when I really needed it

@mooney5564

3 жыл бұрын

that was beautiful thank you

@beaclauie

3 жыл бұрын

id give you a perfect score omg

@ZK-ib2wp

3 жыл бұрын

A+, good job

@derpyblu1651

2 жыл бұрын

A++++ amazing job!

@watermelonwiki3540

2 жыл бұрын

(Everyone liked that)

The way Janus said “i’ll take care of him” with such a soft smile on his face I LOVE HIM

@Chestnut-xm2pv

4 жыл бұрын

That wasn't quoted correctly, but I agree.

@OxyeonBenreyJoe

4 жыл бұрын

“I’ll take care of him”

@HeatherOxford

4 жыл бұрын

46:12 💛

@alexandranoellemuliadi6488

4 жыл бұрын

And seconds later he suggested to push people down stairs, tbh that's iconic 😂

@Repurp0sed

4 жыл бұрын

Names of The Sides: Logan Roman Patton Virgil/Virge Remus Janus/Janice(Idk sry)

"youre not stuck with an evil snake boi... youre just stuck with a snake boi" yaaas, i love him!!!

@JW36363

4 жыл бұрын

HES A SASSY SNAKE BOI

@iz_thefizz8688

4 жыл бұрын

Same !!!! He my favorite character!

@EthanN-jj1uy

4 жыл бұрын

@@iz_thefizz8688 wooo!

@gachacookiecatgurllel7182

4 жыл бұрын

*claps* he finally admitted to being a snek🐍🐍🐍

@footsi35

4 жыл бұрын

I love the little shimmy he did!!! It was great

Ok I JUST noticed the nod from deceit at 42:04 trying to tell Roman that Thomas is telling the truth, but because Roman doesn't trust him, he interprets it as a sign of Thomas lying.

i feel like romans worst nightmare is being like his brother, and then cut him really deep. also he took janus’ little nod as a “hes lying” instead of a “hes telling the truth” and thats why he freaked out. he also fears abandonment/people not liking him and therefore through a tantrum. god i love lore

@KrisRN23935

Жыл бұрын

I mean I would fear that too if my Twin was exiled.

Patton: “Janus?” Janus: “I’ll take care of him” Me: *cries*

@Mars-io9wl

4 жыл бұрын

That scene honestly confuses me because I can’t tell who he is going to go to. Like Patton said he was going to go and help Roman (I think-) so he isn’t going down to say anything to Roman. So who exactly is he going to..?

@cmd0317

4 жыл бұрын

Isabellla LaRocca I think Thomas.

@robertpongrac8837

4 жыл бұрын

WHERES PATTON GOING

@Mars-io9wl

4 жыл бұрын

SlimySnekBoi ÙWÚ OOH! OKAY! Thank you! It makes so much more sense thank you so much!

@Intrusivemov

4 жыл бұрын

Robert Pongrac I’m p sure he’s gonna go Check on roman

"you're not stuck with an evil snake boi." **smug grin** "You're stuck with *a* snake boi" - Janice, 2020

@ThatGuy-zh7jl

4 жыл бұрын

Allyson Moore Janus

@bucket8906

4 жыл бұрын

After the greek god of lies

@kornflakez1405

4 жыл бұрын

@@bucket8906 Huh?

@cckarissa14

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@Jayup

4 жыл бұрын

AdoniZylle 1261 yeah the way all the names tie together is amazing

Roman: "Well when is it enough??" *Dramatic music plays* Janus: ". . . . . Trees . . ?" *more dramatic music plays*

@PDragonBaby

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@coyotix

Жыл бұрын

it's giving that one scene in working through intrusive thoughts with the hot dog

I really like how when Janus wanted them to trust him, he gave them his name, just like when Virgil started trusting them he gave his name. I'm starting to feel like names are a big thing to the Dark Sides (Except Remus, but he's a special muffin)

@darkcadk

2 жыл бұрын

But if he isn't on his redemption arc yet, it may be simply for them to feel sympathy, because that's what Virgil did, so he's playing into their senses

@yeseniasanchez2739

Жыл бұрын

To add on to this I think it's because they are treat the bad guy. Much like real life people hide and lack trust towards other if all their life they are made to believe to be a bad person. The on thing people can do in order to protect themselves is their identity and involvement.

@fightingknight2360

11 ай бұрын

Actually, I interpreted that as Remus already having some form of trust in them. He said he had no reason to lie to Thomas. But you aren’t wrong about him being a special muffin lol

@darkestlight660

9 ай бұрын

@@darkcadk well, I don't personally think deceit is ever really a necessarily bad thing. I think *most* people would agree lying to the serial killer to help your friend isn't a moral evil. In my opinion it comes down to a mix of why and the potential outcome. Lying is a tool, you can use to harm others, or to try to help others That tool can easily corrupt however whenever we try to justify helping ourselves with the illusion of helping others, aka, a lot of times "I just want to spare their feelings" is, "I don't want to take responsibility". On the other hand, lying for yourself isn't necessarily bad- if people want to hurt you or others, that's an obvious example. But feeling uncomfortable and telling a small lie say, about not wanting to hang out with someone but you don't want to explain why so you say you feel sick- I wouldn't say that's evil either. It's nuanced and complicated, as most moral questions are

@helloitsme472

4 ай бұрын

​@@darkcadksorry I know your comment is a year old but, respectfully, did you actually watch the video? like really watch it? Janus isn't really the embodiment of deceitfulness that we've been lead to think he is by this point in the narrative. it's more accurate to say that he the embodiment of selfishness, where Patton is the embodiment of selflessness i.e. this name of this episode AND the one that lead into this one; as we've learnt from this episode, selfishness is not inherently evil or wicked, it is NECESSARY for your own survival. I know the two are shipped together a lot, but Janus is, objectively, much lass harmful than Remus, and I think them being shipped together so much has given people the wrong idea about Janus as a character. This entire episode exists to justify why EVERYONE has the capacity to lie and be selfish. tl;dr Janus is not playing into everyone's sensitivities (when he speaks he is almost always being truthful) and is only trying to help Thomas in the way that he knows how: by placing Thomas first (Patton tries to keep him morally righteous, Logan gets him to be scheduled and think logically etc.)

"I don't wanna be stuck with an Evil snake boy" "You aren't going to be stuck with an Evil snake boy" *Insert smug smile that gives me joy* "You're just stuck with a Snake boy"

@eleaya_rebekah

4 жыл бұрын

I LOST IT THERE I WANTED TO HUG JANUS

@alanyisweird6635

4 жыл бұрын

It was pure yes

@cmd0317

4 жыл бұрын

HE IS BEAN

@sarah1750

4 жыл бұрын

I totally heard it as him saying "Snake boi" lmao

@forgemakesstuff2734

4 жыл бұрын

I LOVE JANUS HES MY NEW FAVORITE CHARACTER FIGHT ME

IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE HIS NAME IS JANUS JANUS IS THE GOD OF CHOICES AND IS LITERALLY TWOFACED

@dualitysDownfall

4 жыл бұрын

the galaxy-brain naming in this series....

@pikaphin3335

4 жыл бұрын

Ohmygosh that is brilliant, thank you for telling us!!

@greg4lifers145

4 жыл бұрын

oh my g o d .

@esora2476

4 жыл бұрын

AND HIS LOGO HAS TWO HEADS ITS SUCH A GOOD NAME IM SCREAMING

@starsnatcher4659

4 жыл бұрын

I FORGOOTT THATS SO SMART

I read a quote the other day that reminded me of this video: "Selfishness is not evil by nature. How could it be evil to love yourself?" Edit: And another thing, as I've just noticed. Roman was described by Logan as "welcome" creativity. In other words, he's creativity inspired by things like Disney, the family friendly stuff. So it's his very nature to see Janus as evil. His focus on Disney isn't an accident by Thomas. In most Disney films, the villains are pure evil and they don't redeem themselves. Janus started as a villain, so Roman will see him as such.

@princessthyemis

Жыл бұрын

oooooo wow! i LOVE that quote. Very Janus-y!

thinking about how everyone shamed roman for trusting janus last time then turn around and shame him for not trusting him now. he deserves so much

@Dandelionsinthesky

2 жыл бұрын

^^^This

@Kaylee-Bear

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Roman deserved better. I might love Janus, but Roman deserves the world. Patton seems to unintentionally be causing a lot of issues he needs to be held accountable for...

@tonyal8839

Жыл бұрын

both times roman was acting extremely selfish for his own views

@notbubblystarters05

11 ай бұрын

It's always situational, but yeah. Definitely could be better on both sides.

@happyflowerdemon8565

9 ай бұрын

@@notbubblystarters05 Yeah. Though it was wrong of Janus to insult Roman like that. I mean I doubt that he doesn't know what hurts the sides. Roman does have things to work on. Just like Thomas, the sides are all learning that it's okay to have your mind work the way it does. It's okay to have anxiety, it's okay to lie sometimes, it's okay to be sad, and it's okay to have intrusive thoughts. I feel like for the longest time, Thomas has despised his lies, anxiety, and intrusive thoughts, thus despising their embodiments; Janus, Virgil, and Remus, which is probably why they are considered the darksides. Roman is a prince, Thomas' hero. Thus Roman feels like part of his job is protecting Thomas from anyone who could hurt him. He probably feels like he needs to protect the other sides too. For the longest time, Janus, Remus, and Virgil were the villains that he and the light sides, had to protect Thomas from. I think it's gonna take time for Roman to except Janus. Also Roman mentions, in another video, that he shows his love through making fun of the person or thing he loves. Mabie he was trying to show support in the end by making fun of Janus' name, but it failed. Though he might have just been being rude. I do feel like if the first one is the case, that Roman needs to learn when and when its not, okay to show love by making fun of something. Because I can see why Janus and the others we're seeing him as being rude. I mean Roman did just call him a villain and also there is the most likely case that Roman was just being immature. But honestly I think everyone just needs time.

Virgil after he finds out that Thomas and Patton accepted Janus: What the gosh darn diddly dang f*ck happened while I was playing Just Dance?

@arbsallaku6478

4 жыл бұрын

Im imagining virgil in michel jackson clothes doing the moonwalk and seing patton janus and thomas talking and being like:IM NOT BRAVE ENOUGH FOR DIS and sturts runinig

@percy2940

4 жыл бұрын

BEST COMMENT BY FAR

@dabuff1319

4 жыл бұрын

I think logan was busy keeping him from self destructing from all the anxiety.

@tristana1660

4 жыл бұрын

Took them a whole episode to accept Virgil and not even ten minutes for Janus

@mickycoetzee1385

4 жыл бұрын

Why Just Dance though xD

I use to hate deceit or Janus but now I actually understand him. Hes reminding me alot of Virgil, trying to help Thomas in the strange ways he does that others deem "evil" when he's just trying to help.

@MrLegendofLP

4 жыл бұрын

I never once thought he was a mustache-twirling villain. To me he always represented the more cynical side of Thomas. The one that looked out for himself and no one else. Janus is right, "Selfish" has been stigmatized as this awful, evil word but it's really more of a neutral word.

@elijah6409

4 жыл бұрын

This video definitely solidified the idea that Deceit is more than just LYING. As many other commenters have said, Deceit is something akin to self preservation. Sure it’s through lies and not as moral ways, but Janus is a lot like Virgil in the way that they both just want to keep Thomas safe and healthy.

@maem7462

4 жыл бұрын

When Deceit was first introduced I didn't really like him but he was funny and then in SVS then I loved him even considered as more of a villain because he is a really fun and good villain and interesting character who did make some kinda good points. This video made me love him more

@eleaya_rebekah

4 жыл бұрын

Same I learned to like him a lot in this episodd

@ShinyKyogre789YT

4 жыл бұрын

I always saw Dee as a way for Thomas to make sarcastic cracks at all the sides (like we do sometimes) from inside the series while it not being Thomas (character) that points them out. Eh. Idk. I just saw Dee as that, a way to sarcastically point out things that are painfully true about the sides I saw him as Sarcasm more than Deceit XD

as someone with depression, I really appreciate Janus saying "mental health should be regarded with the same life or death attitude as physical health." my struggles weren't taken seriously until I was put in the hospital because of it and that's, quite frankly, unacceptable. that's why I refer to my condition as an illness. because like a physical illness, if I don't manage it, it could kill me. it's really important that more people understand that.

@zacharynguyen7286

Ай бұрын

Hope you’re doing good and staying safe. If you need to talk to someone or need help, there are people who care. Sending support and hearts. ❤️❤️❤️

Janus posing as Logan at 27:55, looking downward from his spot in the info-box portrait like he's questioning his life choices after Patton all but told him his advice wasn't worth anything to the current conversation and Roman cut him off just as he was about to say something. This is Janus having realized he is not being HIMSELF at the moment yet they're STILL dismissing him without a second thought even if not quite as outright, and that the methods used to shut him down being subtler might feel worse. Currently identifying _way too much_ with Logan's continued struggle to make himself heard and internalizing just how hard poor Logan actually has it when trying to be listened to too. I think this is the moment when he started to regret taking Logan's place during this video, if he didn't already. (And, by the way he acts so done with their sh*t after this moment as well as the passive aggression towards people's important contributions being ignored _rolling off_ of the way he framed his advice just before this together with his response of "Nothing at all _and I resent the question"_ to "What did you do to Logan?!" as coupled with his initial concerned/guilty "Oh sh*t" reaction at seeing Logan more or less in person later, I think there might've been an important if awkward off-screen conversation there that we missed spanning from when they swapped at 23:20 to J showing up in disguise at 26:45. One involving Logan being so done he might've greenlighted this post hostile takeover. Which, that still probably involved Logan lashing out first or simply thinking it wouldn't make a difference, since it's already a given they won't listen to Dee either if he's posing as _Logan._ Then lo and behold they actually _do._ And it feels nice of course, but also Janus has mixed feeling about it now whoops. Apologies are in definitely order after this, if they weren't a given already.)

“You’re just stuck with a snake boy!” Janus I would die for you in an instant you are so precious-

@anxietyskittles8988

4 жыл бұрын

My exact reaction. He must be protected. Precious little snek 🐍💛

@grisbel7836

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@gohst7860

4 жыл бұрын

Literal baby, new best boy

@vvi95a

4 жыл бұрын

iM GLAD WE ALL AGREE

@echomoon4693

4 жыл бұрын

The danger noodle just needs some LOVE. We are here for Janus 🐍💛

After Roman leaves- I’m just imagining him and Virgil hiding out like under the bed watching The Nightmare Before Christmas and avoiding everyone.

@pauliner9444

4 жыл бұрын

That's actually so cute omg-

@thatuzikinnie6077

4 жыл бұрын

*why is that so cute.* I don't even support the ship alot but that sounds adorable :0

@RoseIsAnnoyedAtTheHandle

4 жыл бұрын

Princexeity everybody! (I hope I spelled it right) And I thought more like he went and hidden in his room "locking" it and hides under something sothat IF somebody came he is hidden or "gone"

@marquis911

4 жыл бұрын

6 feet apart because they're cautious.

@reese8659

4 жыл бұрын

Omg that’s adorable

Okay but can we appreciate that in his inventory he has everything needed for pattoncake

@nerd_liv

Жыл бұрын

OMG YES

@Unidentified952

Жыл бұрын

Omg

@JustMe-mf5ms

Жыл бұрын

Wdym?

@Unidentified952

Жыл бұрын

@@JustMe-mf5ms in one of the previous videos, when Patton reveals his name, it’s a pun as one should only expect. Instead of pattycake, it’s pattoncake. there’s a variety of items needed for the game, and all of those are in his characters inventory in this video! Hope that helps, and sorry I can’t remember the exact video 😅

Janus posing as Logan: " …Having heard a piece of information before _does not give you license to ignore it in the future._ Especially when the consequences of forgetting are so perilous. " Wait. Is J here (27:37 - 27:46) low-key passive aggressively calling them out for ignoring Logan (Logic, y'know, _Common Sense™)_ so hard all the time when he's talking about maintaining a healthy lifestyle that Deceit _(Self-preservation)_ of all people had to step up in his stead? Because if so, I am all for it. Go off, snek boi, go off!

“Not that any of you care, but I am unharmed.” *OUCH*

@sevencats4964

4 жыл бұрын

yup

@huhimhere170

4 жыл бұрын

THAT HURT

@jessgibbings4169

4 жыл бұрын

Mood

@isabellajgz

4 жыл бұрын

I KNOW my boy did not get the respect he deserves this episode

HOW IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT LESLIE WAS JUST CHILLING LIKE WHAT

@gracefizzle4827

4 жыл бұрын

Im just Bumbee I WAS JUST ABOUT TO COMMENT THIS

@Jayup

4 жыл бұрын

Aaron burr... ...sir...

@reganmatthews1193

4 жыл бұрын

Alvin Is bored oh sure sir

@farewellneverland

4 жыл бұрын

Regan Matthews im alexander hamilton at your service sir.

@invisibleghost3820

4 жыл бұрын

Pink Lasagna I’ve been looking for you

Janus: - reveals his name - Everyone: ..... Roman: - starts laughing - Janus:- completely ruins his self esteem -

@flower_productions7213

3 жыл бұрын

Janus: Woke up Had some wine (he probably drinks it) And chose: *Self-Esteem destruction*

@Fili9521

Жыл бұрын

To be fair it is pretty shitty to make fun of other people's name (no hate on roman it was just mean)

@Teahillmusic

Жыл бұрын

Oh rewatching this I actually realised something the ones connected to the dark sides all have Roman names Janus- two faced god of lies and gateways(pretty sure) Remus- one of Romes founders with his brother Romulus(Roman) And Vergil a poet who criticised those in power in his works

That fight between Patton and Janus... It shows very clearly that Janus is more than just Thomas' deception. He's also his self-preservation and self care. Even in the court room scenario he wasn't saying "be selfish because why tf not", he was more so saying 'It's fine to be selfish every once in awhile, it's *needed*". Janus is easily my favourite character, and his theme is just amazing~ I also find it really sad how, Roman isn't even trying to look past Janus being "Deceit". Lies is all he ever see's in him, and it's sad. Very well written story don't get me wrong! Just... Yeah :/

@lpsshortcake3790

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, to be fair though, for the first two videos with Janus Roman was on his side, defending him and the conclusion was Janus was evil, siding with him was criticised, now he's the only one in the video not siding with him. Plus, Janus lied to him to butter him up and used him to better his deception, so he's less likely to trust him. Still not cool laughing at his name though and Janus does obviously have Thomas's best interests at heart, I can just kind of see where Roman is coming from is all

@ArchyMageFoxy

2 жыл бұрын

@@lpsshortcake3790 You make a good point. I can see wheres he coming from too.

@Hannah4765

Жыл бұрын

It also sticks with Roman's character; he was the last "Light" side to accept Virgil as well. He very much embodies the "we're Light and good, you're Dark and bad" argument as a hero would to those he sees as villains. And he seems to see Remus as HIS dark side, rather than one of Thomas' "it's like looking in a fun house mirror". I'm glad that this has been consistent with Roman as a character and it's a great arc for him.

@anonymouslymj1064

Жыл бұрын

@@lpsshortcake3790 yeah the fact that Janus manipulated Roman in the last video (which is actually pretty much stated by Roman here) and most people just gloss over it doesn’t sit right with me. If somebody had toyed with me if I had a fragile mental state and ultimately harmed me for their own purposes, no matter how virtuous, I’d be pretty pissed at them too.

The sides just look at each other and think: each of you is an idiot, but I'm a horrible person, so what are we gonna do?

@nerdywolverine8640

4 жыл бұрын

O u c h

@caffeinemilk

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, you’re not wrong

@abrielleelysee7991

4 жыл бұрын

That's pretty much it.

@maddy7101

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like at the end though, they all just felt really bad and they just wanted to like each other again.

@viravos

4 жыл бұрын

accurate af :,)

Roman: When is it enough? Janus: .... Trees? A whole ass mood

@jswails25

4 жыл бұрын

Trinity Erin lol

@whitehouse6529

3 жыл бұрын

y e s

@aggie5668

3 жыл бұрын

Tree though

@Maya-qs6nv

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@jessicasteen6221

3 жыл бұрын

I can't stop laughing

Brooooo! How did I only just notice how smooth the transition from Logan's voice to Janus' voice was??!!?!! THAT WAS BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!

I also love how Janus actually LISTENS to Logan

When Roman makes fun of Janus' name, you can just see how hurt he was by it, and unlike Virgil, he didn't have anyone stick up for him, Janus has to stick up for himself

@funkysquig

4 жыл бұрын

Oh no, Janus!! I’ll accept you!

@CPete711

4 жыл бұрын

I legit started crying at that part😭😭

@barbiecentral

4 жыл бұрын

it made me so sad seeing him visibly hurt, and when no one said anything about it, like PATTON DIDN'T EVEN MAKE A DISAPPROVING FACE COME ON

@phoenixablaze649

4 жыл бұрын

Our poor snake boi 😭

@remusthethrashman

4 жыл бұрын

Le Rat Man we all accept him and by all I mean all us dark sides.... *****! I’ve said too much

Janice: “You’re not stuck with an evil snake boi, you’re just stuck with a snake boi~” Me: “MY HEART”😭❤️❤️

@doubleslashkarma

4 жыл бұрын

I KNOW. IT'S SO ADORABLE- *It's spelled Janus, like the Greek God of two faces and choices.

@Justaspacequeen

4 жыл бұрын

ArcticFox4235 _ *huh you learn something new every day*

@rory2865

4 жыл бұрын

It was so frickin cute oml

@endersm1n3

4 жыл бұрын

@@doubleslashkarma Technically he's the Roman mythological deity known for new beginnings and duality(he's depicted with two faces that can see past and future events). Not trying to go Logan on you , just clarifying :)

@alligaytor4253

4 жыл бұрын

Wait where the time stamp? I’m watching this at like 3am and I’m not registering things all that properly lol so idk if I missed it or just haven’t gotten there yet

I like how the Dark Sides care about Thomas as the normal Sides

@rosette4268

3 жыл бұрын

I mean they are still a part of him

@GoodNeutralEvilChaos

3 жыл бұрын

@@rosette4268 what I mean is they don't try to corrupt him. They care about him and look after him to the best of their abilities, despite being the worst Sides of him. I hope this comes up later as a plot twist or something.

@rosette4268

3 жыл бұрын

@@GoodNeutralEvilChaos hm

@TheNinthGenerarion

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoodNeutralEvilChaos well, maybe not Remus, he’s just out to get Thomas to indulge in every possible fantasy

@GoodNeutralEvilChaos

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheNinthGenerarion yea, found *that* out in his latest episode.

I'm rewatching all of these again and realizing Janus actually looked kinda hurt when Roman said they couldn't trust him near the end 😭

Thomas: you're right Janus: what was that. I couldn't hear you? Thomas: *YOU ARE RIGHT* Janus: Moans

@dev0uwu

4 жыл бұрын

Idk but this is gold 😂😂

@shelbyteague7928

4 жыл бұрын

He really needed that validation

@CannibalPriest

4 жыл бұрын

@@oni_bobini ;)

@plutoicerena3698

4 жыл бұрын

@@oni_bobini *insert lenny face*

@LittleSansLittletale

4 жыл бұрын

Thats how Janus lives life

I’d like to think Virgil was hiding in his room because he’s trying to think of how to talk to Thomas and the others about him being a past “dark side” and this episode was to show that not everything was black and white so showing deceit in a new “light” gave way to how old concepts aren’t always the best concepts.

@catbatrat1760

4 жыл бұрын

"so showing deceit in a new “light” gave way to how old concepts aren’t always the best concepts." Janus did say that the moral ideals Thomas grew up with were only hurting him...

@Anthein3D

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's probably true

@SJ-ch6yv

4 жыл бұрын

I forgot about that! Good theory!

@SomebodyUnamed

4 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, now I feel so bad... oh noooo...

@latoyabrown7505

4 жыл бұрын

THATS WHAT I THOUGHT (about Virgil)

"But when is it enough?!" "...trees???" This is why we love Janus

@EnderTheIdiot

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@Unidentified952

Жыл бұрын

Yes 😂

@thespeedyyoshi

Жыл бұрын

40:07 HAHAHA I love this part 😂😂

“I always thought that sort of language was .... ineffable.” Flashbacks to Good Omens

@lasanya_galang13

2 жыл бұрын

I was looking for this

@naan000

2 жыл бұрын

glad to see i'm not the only one

When Patton is grabbing Lee and Mary Lee from his inventory you can see that he also has 2 cookies. Guess he was feeling dangerous that day.

@echo_va

4 жыл бұрын

Did you notice that inventory is from Stardew Valley? No? Just me then ;-;

@kj_ocho

4 жыл бұрын

5. . . Second. . . Cookies

@quigly5058

4 жыл бұрын

Hes a danger boi

@LovelyGhostz

4 жыл бұрын

OMG YAS

@khushik3899

4 жыл бұрын

there are also a bunch of references to patton-cake

Patton reigning himself in so he isn’t too harsh and overbearing is both sad yet great character development

@offbrandeverything4104

4 жыл бұрын

Jenny Mathews everyone’s characters development is amazing Thomas is such a creative and talented person

@el.the.mushroom.gal.

4 жыл бұрын

Joan and Talyn are also responsible for the amazing storyline behind these videos. Also, what about Deciet(or Janice) and Roman! That character work is just 👌

@imgabiireyes

4 жыл бұрын

Jenny Mathews exactly.

@spideyspinn

4 жыл бұрын

@@el.the.mushroom.gal. Janis

@mysterymaiden4795

4 жыл бұрын

I feel so bad for him he’s trying so hard yet it just not enough so he breaks down and I hope it gets better.

I like Janus's character development. He goes from a sinister scooby doo villain to a slightly sketchy ally.

It has taken until *now* for me to notice that the hooked cane used to pull Logan away is the same as the one that Janus is holding when he reveals himself. HOW DID I MISS THIS?

@Bgdf007

Жыл бұрын

I've been scrolling in the comments trying to find someone who noticed like me. I'm watching this instead of skipping to find all of Logan's lowdowns to actually let him be listened to and I noticed it right away, lol.

@seandonahoe3495

10 ай бұрын

​@@Bgdf007I was also looking to see if anyone else noticed this

Imagine Virgil coming out of his room to see roman having a breakdown, Logan sulking, and Janus and Patton talking to each other. like what the heck I was gone for and hour what happened????

@andreamanning2207

4 жыл бұрын

Omg yes XD

@thebananashow6986

4 жыл бұрын

I need to see that

@ihavenoclueeither

4 жыл бұрын

It was a mistake to read the comments during the video

@genderfluid_insomniac7023

4 жыл бұрын

Nora has no clue either i’m sorry and you are correct

@C_0tter900

4 жыл бұрын

I'm drawing that, thanks

roman: WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO HELP THOMAS? janus: *BECAUSE IM ONE OF THE IDIOTS WHO LIVES IN HIM*

@whitejadin7157

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao gotg meme

@Themtaters618

4 жыл бұрын

K

@quigly5058

4 жыл бұрын

Lmaooooo thats something he would say tho

@LovelyGhostz

4 жыл бұрын

Yo like-

@Roman_Luke

4 жыл бұрын

Why does that sound like it’s canon!?!

After a while I finally decided to rewatch this, and I think Roman's reaction at 42:09 ish to Thomas saying "Wh- You ARE!" As a response to Roman saying "I thought I was your hero" was just a simple misinterpretation on his part. He looked specifically at Janus, and the camera cut to him, as if asking "Is he lying?" But Janus may have taken it at "is he telling the truth?" Therefore nodded, because Thomas wasn't lying, Roman IS his hero, but since the question at hand was "Is he lying", a nod was interpreted at "Yes, he is. You're not his hero" hence Roman covering his mouth in disbelief and snapping back with "I can't believe this, did you forget that he's EVIL"

Just making a personal note that Janus’ logo was labeled Denial at 20:22.

@coyotix

Жыл бұрын

Roman's was Passion

@embodimentofawkwardness7734

Жыл бұрын

And Logan's wasn't gone over at all...does it mean he's not necessarily logic and they're hiding it?

@theboogeyman2590

5 ай бұрын

@@embodimentofawkwardness7734they did go over his, his said logic except they very quickly moved away from his icon

Janus is apart of Thomas. He asks himself, "how can we trust you?" For me that feels like, "How can I trust myself?"

@panek6443

4 жыл бұрын

Derpy Dragan THANK YOU? THAT’S WHAT I THOUGH!

@arkanhelle2525

4 жыл бұрын

Oof

@klabiaga3684

4 жыл бұрын

Oooh darn

@nurailidepaepe2783

4 жыл бұрын

they're.. all a part of thomas..

@alterego24122

4 жыл бұрын

Oh.. Ouch

Roman: "I'm not going outside" Gosh Roman is so ahead of his time.

@sydguy6739

4 жыл бұрын

Too soon. Jkjk 😂

@mackenzie8703

4 жыл бұрын

Truuueee

@juelzbanks360

4 жыл бұрын

Too soo

@GoldenG0dc0meth

4 жыл бұрын

No..sounds like me ;-;

@elija-ray3008

4 жыл бұрын

Roman: "I'm not going outside" Any anime weeb that has a series to catch up on: "Me neither bro"

I realized something here. Thomas, Roman, and Patton have all been kahoots this whole discussion. That was until Janus showed up and showed himself when things finally went back together. Now remember during Virgil's arc of him disappearing? They were all in kahoots with Thomas lacking anxiety. He was a disaster to say the least. So that means they literally can't have a full discussion without having a dark side nearby to stabilize the conversation, as Logan said, Virgil has a bigger part into Thomas' life than just being his anxiety. And seeing as Janus was the one to calm Thomas down by saying that it's okay for him to be selfish, it's rather interesting. This theory is really out there but Ehhhhhh.

@PDragonBaby

Жыл бұрын

The 1st ep was alright But ye the lights are definitely a lot more chaotic and all over the place when they haven't got the common sense around (janus) or just want to get rid of something (ree)

@simoncarter8190

6 ай бұрын

If you want to expand on that... this series as a whole is effectively presenting case after case of Thomas not being able to solve his problems without hearing from as many people as he can. Obviously, he doesn't get to hear from *everyone*, *all the time*, but the later episodes especially are fantastic cases of this. If we ignore: "Way Too Adult" "Taking on Anxiety (with Lilly Singh)" "The Dark Side of Disney" "The Mind vs. The Heart" and "My Negative Thinking", then every episode has most of the sides that we know of. Remus doesn't show up a whole lot to begin with because we only know him for his dirty mouth, dirty mind, and dirty thoughts that he imposes on Thomas from time to time, which is obviously a very specific problem. And Janus didn't show up a whole lot before his redemption arc, either, so you could argue Remus's absence from most episodes after his first appearance isn't that important. POINT BEING, Logan said that Virgil plays a bigger role in Thomas's life than just being his anxiety, and in this episode, we learn that that's also true for Janus. I don't think we can say the same for Remus (at least not yet, idk what Thomas has up his sleeve), but it's certainly true that both Virgil and Janus represent facets of humanity that are generally perceived by society as hindrances, when in reality, it's helpful and even necessary to give one or both of them a seat at the Socratic Table, so to speak. Even if it's something small, like auditioning for a role... anxiety may tell you that you won't get it no matter how hard you try, or it may tell you that getting it involves a lot of work and only it knows how much work it'll take. Deceit (or whatever Janus actually represents) would tell you to put in that work, no matter how much it may be, for the sake of protecting your reputation, your self-confidence, and possibly your future if your career depends on it. This series really is about Thomas figuring himself out... all of the sides have gotten a whole lot more complex and at the same time more specific since the start of the series. In earlier episodes, you could argue that Anxiety and Deceit were the same person; Deceit only became a separate side because Thomas questioned whether it was worth lying to people to preserve himself, which also happens to be Virgil's goal (as this series interprets anxiety). Patton also got a WHOLE lot of development in this episode; his realization that he doesn't have all the right and wrong answers of the world is Thomas's realizing that morality is a whole lot more complex than "Don't kill, don't steal". 10 out of 10 episode right here.

@hildcit

5 ай бұрын

@@simoncarter8190this and the og comment had some great commentary and food for thought and I just wanna let you both know that

I love the fact that it changes from Deceit and Payton fighting each other, to just Thomas’s mental health. And also, looking back, I realize that everything is about all the other sides and barely about Roman. It’s Virgil this, Patton that, Logan this, Remus that, Janus this and etc. Everyone views Roman as some annoying characteristic of a stereotypical hero, so that is what he is. No one is giving him any sort of ear to listen to how he feels unloved and left out, no matter how hard he tried to voice that and I realize that now, Roman has feelings himself. It’s like being the funny friend, and yet you yourself make yourself the “funny friend” to ignore what’s hurting you. They see him as the funny friend and as the annoying side, but he’s more than that, but as long as everyone sees him as annoying and “funny” he will remain that way.

I don’t care if this isn’t a movie, it needs ALL of the oscars

@abrielleelysee7991

4 жыл бұрын

Ikr

@jadatar

4 жыл бұрын

DAMN RIGHT IT DOES THE THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THIS IS DAZZLING!!!

@abrielleelysee7991

4 жыл бұрын

I again agree with this statement

@isabellajgz

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah all the sides should get Oscars- oh wait they're all one person

@emmysparks7307

4 жыл бұрын

it basically is a movie

When Roman mocked Janus at the end, I was like "Wow, he sounds just like him!" And then I remembered. Thomas is such a good actor I forget he plays every character

@kingofwhatever1544

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly same, like in SVS when Janus was mimicking Virgil about the whole wedding thing I was like "damn he sounds exactly like him" and then I remembered-

@frogg_tv4774

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh I forgot too

@jessicahunter4408

2 жыл бұрын

I thought i was the only one like i really forgot Thomas is every character

@salamifella

2 жыл бұрын

SAME I was like “oh WAit… Their played by the same person…”

@wren4now904

2 жыл бұрын

I was actually uncomfortable that they weren’t wearing masks for a sec and then I remembered that this was pre-covid and they’re actually all one person

The opposites: Roman - "Good" imagination Remus - "Bad" imagination Logan - Fact Janus - Fiction Patton - Constructive criticism Virgil - Criticism

@WinterPains

2 жыл бұрын

I think Patton and Janus are actually the two sides of the same coin. Both being morality. Patton being Altruism, and Janus being Selfishness.

@Subterranean_sebastian

2 жыл бұрын

@@WinterPains as well as anxiety often being illogical yet still effects us!

@pattonbunny3331

2 жыл бұрын

Patton the dad for light sides Janus the dad for dark sides

@idkwoooo

2 жыл бұрын

@@pattonbunny3331 in the words of Virgil "other" sides

@Chestnut-xm2pv

Жыл бұрын

@Con Alexander-Smith Thank you so much for not using the contemporary "opposite-labelling". It goes to show that categorising any of the sides as strict opposites of one-another is all-around stupid.

45:34 "-And it's (Deceit being a part of Thomas) not that I'm an evil liar, or even a fractionally fiendish fibber. Everyone has a capacity for deceit, including me. And all that means is... I'm not perfect." Love how at the end they straight out call Janus's whole existence an imperfection TO HIS FACE! And then he just hides it because he is literally Deceit and can probably hide his feelings pretty easily. Damn. Time to go think about this for the rest of the night.

@kierstenchaney4197

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU! I was thinking the exact same thing, I literally said to myself, "Did he just call Deceit a mistake??". I'm hoping that, much like Virgil called out the time Logan implied he was a 'defeatist' (I forget which episode), Janus will make a callback (no pun intended) to this line.

@happyflowerdemon8565

9 ай бұрын

Eh I don't think Janus would be too affected by this line. He knows that humans are not perfect and are not supposed to be. He's just finally making Thomas realize that.

GUYS YOU CAN SEE THE FEAR IN JANUS' EYES BEFORE HE REVEALS HIS NAME. YOU CAN HEAR THE FEAR IN HIS VOICE. MY POOR BABY WAS SO SCARED TO SHARE HIS NAME-

@aromanticfranziskavonkarma

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly Janus' name reveal made me cry more than Virgil's and that's saying something

@karmaanimates1369

4 жыл бұрын

Ugh ik and then Roman ruins it by laughing MY HEART

@katherinewright6426

4 жыл бұрын

Both of the selflessness vs. selfishness Sander sides episodes has given me a new appreciation for Deceit AKA Janus. I now love the slippery snake boy.

@amandajensen3382

4 жыл бұрын

By the way this scene starts at 40:51 😉

@JazzyReShawn

4 жыл бұрын

Curly Bug I think it’s because when Virgil revealed his name, it was a more happy occasion, he finally found his place with all the other sides. With Janus, there was a downward spiral throughout the episode, not to mention it’s the first time we see Janus in a light different from what we’re used to. He actually looks vulnerable and even scared to share something personal about himself, and where Virgil gets to ease into sharing his name, Janus didn’t have that luxury. This is by far the heaviest Sanders Side episode.

Janus is the god of doors and choices in Roman mythology, and he literally has two faces. best name choice possible. Edit: fact correction

@yungrichelle9083

4 жыл бұрын

OH BOI

@shroom_town2509

4 жыл бұрын

OMGS I'm so freaking happy that I wasn't the only one thinking that, although I forgot whether it was Greek or Roman mythology but, anyways glad someone has the same thought as me.😁 (sorry that was long)😯😐

@AceOAceZ

4 жыл бұрын

Janus - Two Faced Roman god Remus - founder of Rome Virgil - Roman poet Patton and Logan - Roman terms (Pathos and Logos) omg what

@spoopy3963

4 жыл бұрын

🤯

@ShinyKyogre789YT

4 жыл бұрын

I seriously did not know that. Thank you for the astute observation.

Janice is like early Virgil, seen as the bad guy but cares more than others and doesn’t let it show it and is a protector like Virgil is.

Patton: *gets hits in the face* Logan:oh shiz my bad Thomas: MY BLIND'S!! Timestamp: 21:55

Who else freaked out and went crazy when Janus made a weird/adorable face. And said that he was stuck with a snake boy. Because I could barely keep it together.

@avacado7369

4 жыл бұрын

Hamilton Rules Y E S

@jai8544

4 жыл бұрын

Me!

@rainyday471

4 жыл бұрын

You mean Janus? Edit: I was just joking.

@Waffle-ch2qr

4 жыл бұрын

Yessss

@04Fantasy

4 жыл бұрын

Me!!🍪

This series 1st episode: Thomas sharing more about himself and giving small life lessons Now: full narrative with major character development each episode

@CharmingMiraChan

3 жыл бұрын

My point

@cmd0317

3 жыл бұрын

*character development*

@mirora2212

3 жыл бұрын

@L. New i know Right I’m so happy it’s so long

@midnights2631

3 жыл бұрын

Wonderful story telling

@kaylad6597

3 жыл бұрын

It's because a few episodes in, Joan was made the lead writer and director. They looked at this series and went, "what if these characters weren't just figments of Thomas's imagination but rather like, actual people? like with a backstory?" And in the course of a few episodes, we got names, Virgil's backstory, new costumes, and the introduction of the Dark Sides.

Patton: Oh, logan I- Logan: PETER SINGER...

Ok. I just had a small epiphany. When “Logan” said “you’ll need a sharp side to cut throughout all this bull … 🐸” I think there’s a double meaning. He’s talking about how he’s actually Janus and talking about dissecting Patton’s reasoning. Just like how sometimes students and teachers dissect frogs in science class. 🤯

@gabbyp1934

2 жыл бұрын

@@alisond929 well yes there’s that. But also I feel like in a sense that “Logan” was trying to point out the obvious and kind of make a “pun”, since Patton actually is a bull frog. That was just my opinion and my thought process, and I just thought that that detail added an extra layer of cleverness to the scene.

"We love you kiddo" "Right.." WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS

@Lemonboyartss

4 жыл бұрын

Timestamp: 42:23

@lovelyaristotle4983

4 жыл бұрын

I’ll thank about it! *It made me sad*

@weirdcatcoaster1237

4 жыл бұрын

Looks like someone’s slowly having a mental breakdown

@divineichor7079

4 жыл бұрын

@@weirdcatcoaster1237 Yes. We need that juicy Roman angst.

@Lemonboyartss

4 жыл бұрын

@@divineichor7079 YES THAT ROMAN ANGST IS WHAT WE NEED

I just realized something. Roman's personal arc is centering around his insecurity because that's how creativity is- when you're constantly striving to improve, it's hard to think of your work as good enough because you always want it to be better. Roman thrives off of praise, but at the same time, he doesn't really believe it. As a creator, he's never satisfied with his work because he always has that niggling doubt of 'what if it's not good enough?' Roman puts pressure on himself to be the best, he acts like he's the best and he knows it, but he's never happy with his work. I dunno if this comment makes sense but this is storytelling genius.

@sugarcrystals5649

3 жыл бұрын

And you're a genius for pointing it out.

@storm_vinegod2302

3 жыл бұрын

This added to my stress because I relate but now I can fix that so thanks for pointing that out.

@pandabear9305

3 жыл бұрын

Woah

@fluffyhairedloser6479

3 жыл бұрын

Y e s

@pinkpusheenpaws

3 жыл бұрын

I guess you could say... he’ll NEVER BE SATISFIIIIEEEEEED

My sides when I’m trying to get the covid vaccine: Logic: You have to get it. Creativity: You have to get it. Morality: You have to get it. Anxiety: *sobbing uncontrollably*

@szaboluca5536

2 жыл бұрын

I know it's an older comment, but oof mood. I was so anxious about having an allergic reaction to the vaccine that after getting it, while I was in the waiting room w the other freshly vaccinated folks, I almost had a panic attack and the attending lady asked if I was okay, and took my blood pressure, and gave me a glass of water💀💀

@glitchie_the_monstrosity475

2 жыл бұрын

So I just got 2 shots and apparently it looked like I was about to have a whole panic attack- so that's g r e a t. My anxiety was seriously kicking in- the entire time before, I was trying so hard to reassure myself that I was fine but in my head I was freaking out-

@scarlettarana

2 жыл бұрын

My Anxiety would be ominously looming over my shoulder while Deceit and Logic are talking me through it

@wren4now904

Жыл бұрын

C a n r e l a t e

@markyboi9354

Жыл бұрын

Deceit: Nooooooooo Bwaimdead don’t get it it won’t save any lives AT ALLLLLLL…

Janus has evolved into Thomases more self centered nature and desires rather than deceit. But Thomas has internalized this as deceitful and evil in some way when it’s really the most honest part of himself

@happyflowerdemon8565

9 ай бұрын

Honestly that does add onto their story. Tbh, I don't think that the dark sides were always dark sides. However they became this way as Thomas grew to despise them. While the hate towards Remus and they way he acts can't fully be helped. I think that the way that Virgil and Janus were viewed by Thomas and the others, caused them to become dark sides.

Next Time on Sander Sides: Virgil: hey everybo- WHAT IS HE DOING HERE Janus: 👁👄👁

@heya5010

3 жыл бұрын

WHERE'S MEH POPS?!

@stranguhh2878

3 жыл бұрын

All of Virgil's nicknames ever given to him: 1. Dark stormy knight 2. Creepy cookie 3 .Brad pitiful 4. Worry wart 5. Friendo 6. Panic at the everywhere 7. Jack smellington 8. Incredible sulk 9. Charlie frown 10. Virge 11. Robert downy junior 12. Shadowy but angelic song bird 13. Kamlia the chicken 14. Vomity central 15. A mean one 16. Kylo friends 17. Bat winged cherob 18. One angry man over there 19. Perp man 20.Sunshine 21. Emo 22. Emo nightmare 23. Hot topic 24. Wet blanket 25. Chemically unbalanced romance 26. Negitave Nancy 27. Jason toddler 28. Jerky mcjerk face 29. Supreme dark overlord of negitave comers 30. Sirly temple 31. J Delightful 32. Dr gloom 33. Fairest of them all 34.Count woaloft 35.Marilyn Monrose 36. Sweet and sour misunderstood shadowling 37. Poor little anxious baby 38. Gerard gay 39. Tiger 40. Bird brain There's a lot😂 Also most of these are from Roman which I love😂 edit: I added the last ones because of the newest sander sides video!

@carlamuffin

3 жыл бұрын

@@stranguhh2878 Hmmmmmmmmmmm

@hadrianw_

3 жыл бұрын

@@stranguhh2878 oh my goodness did you put this in every comment? All of the comments (that I've read so far) that have a bunch of replies have this added to them lmao that is commitment!

@cmd0317

3 жыл бұрын

Roman: I have no fucking clue.

Everyone: WhEreS ReMUs- Remus: *driving the trolly*

@yoursleepparalysisdemon1519

4 жыл бұрын

He then proceeds to run over Leslie for the hecken heck of it

@chaoticmushroomchildren6936

4 жыл бұрын

Pft..omg YES

@elfi643

4 жыл бұрын

Pfffft that actually made me laugh

@alterego24122

4 жыл бұрын

You got me xD

@valerieprochazkova9685

4 жыл бұрын

good one XDD

I've just realized a couple of things. Janus is also Thomas's morality, he's similar to how Remus and Roman are - the "bad" side of morality, the side that's self-serving. Not only that, but Janus's outfit is almost the exact opposite of Patton's. Yellow is the opposite of blue, and black is the opposite of white (the sweater is light).

@markyboi9354

Жыл бұрын

Well yellow isn’t an exact opposite but it’s really close oh and also yellow just symbolizes lying and Deceit

@kaelin_cherise

Жыл бұрын

Actually in color theory, Orange and blue are complimentary colors, but this is still a good point

@HaShomeret

Жыл бұрын

I think your right.

37:08 Look at deceit's face he looks so happy to have someone help defend his point

Ok but why is no one talking about the fact that Virgil (who CLEARLY has BAD blood with Janus) is gonna have a STROKE when he sees Janus accepted as someone trying to help Thomas? Ohhhhh he gon be sooooo pissed he missed this episode.

@juno6397

4 жыл бұрын

i'm quite excited for it to be honest. I think sides can miss videos but they usually only miss most of it if deceit is involved

@Intrusivemov

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen people think it’s gonna be Roman and Virgil vs Patton and Logan on if Janus should.. ‘ stay ?? ‘ I guess. Another debate would be fascinating!!

@applescotchpie3003

4 жыл бұрын

He's already going through enough, poor Virg

@yo6813

4 жыл бұрын

Also it took them SO MUCH MORE episodes for them to accept him, he is going to be so jealous/sad/heatbroken :(

@ailia7818

4 жыл бұрын

@@yo6813 Woah, I didn't think about that. Now _I'm_ sad-

Nobody is choosing Deceit's side over anyone's, it's just like realizing he deserves a seat at the table. Why was it easier to accept anxiety than this, Roman? ps his face when he was accused of being the evil twin *i was ready to throw hands*

@hummingbirdspark3998

4 жыл бұрын

Sanders Sides!

@Realisticallyliteral

4 жыл бұрын

Let's not forget that Roman was actually very hostile towards Virgil for *a long time*

@larissamota1718

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, like Luke mentioned above, it was actually very hard for Roman to accept Virgil. He only did it after Virgil left and he was forced to realize that Anxiety also needed to be taken into account.

@chasepinheiro6476

4 жыл бұрын

He’s also in love with Virgil😤

@The_Black_Rose_94

4 жыл бұрын

He realized it once he listened to what Virgils thought process and reasoning for ehat ge was doing was. Purely protecting Thomas and any Hero can get behind that. But Roman and Janus has been nothing but clash and roman contantly feel for Janus's lies so i think Roman feels wronged by Janus

Everyone talks about the "color theory" but I have a Role Theory. I think the Role they are introduced as is the aspect of the side that Thomas has the most trouble with. Self Care, Survival Instincts, Spontaneity are all obviously more palatable than Deceit, Anxiety, or Intrusive Thoughts. It works for the Lights too. Patton is called Morality instead of Emotion. Logan is Logic instead of Reasoning. Even Roman is Creativity (something any artist grapples with) instead of Inspiration. I am sure the orange side is going to be something like Wrath but will be accepted as they realize he is also something like Self Respect.

I just want to point out Patton’s inventory at 19:55 , it looks like he has his cat onesie, 278 cans of tuna (?!?) two tennis rackets, a candle, eye protection, some piece of paper (i’m not 100% sure, but it might be the card Virgil made for him), his Christmas sweater, two cookies, two things that i can’t make out, a potato (maybe), a painting/picture of some sort, the scooby doo tag, LUNGS(?!?), and lee and mary lee. i love how every single one references another video.

@yufaelia

3 жыл бұрын

Quick correction, the lungs are actually the dog ears from the Halloween episode :)

@thatch_4245

3 жыл бұрын

@@yufaelia oh that makes so much more sense jsnshwkms

@thatch_4245

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatastastan oh, i just meant it was a lot

When Thomas did his first vine dressing as a dad I wonder if he ever thought that character would become a animated frog final boss having a moral crisis

@imadoor2205

4 жыл бұрын

Lol would you 🤣

@cobalt_bold

4 жыл бұрын

He knew it all along!~

@ZuMii_Idled

4 жыл бұрын

It's 1:14 AM and I'm holding myself back.

@opie1kenop134

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@userr_paradoxx

4 жыл бұрын

Isabella Madore I totally would think about it if I did XD

I was disappointed that they didn't hug at the end - before I realized. Oh yeah. Right. One person.

@MrLegendofLP

4 жыл бұрын

Right????? I keep expecting them to physically touch and then take a second to remember "Right. All one actor." I'm so glad Thomas, Joan, and Talyn are able to do this as a career, they're so talented!

@gabbydragonway8810

4 жыл бұрын

I like to imagine that they hugged as soon as the camera was turned off and/or once they sunk out.

@pippip4911

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah! Same! The only way they can hug is if another person is playing the character, like that old episode where Thomas' friends played the sides. It would nice to see a come back of that one day, so we can see them interact now that the relationships between them have changed so much!

@carlosdasilva1549

Жыл бұрын

​@@MrLegendofLP sw

@carlosdasilva1549

Жыл бұрын

​@@MrLegendofLP fgh

Janus: I’ll take care of him Three seconds later Let’s push sum peepl down sum sters

5:07 THOMAS MENTIONING HE MADE A DECISION WITH A BLINDFOLD ON WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE IN COURT WHERE HE WAS JUDGED, AND THE SYMBOL OF BEING JUDGED IT A WOMEN HOLDING A WEIGHT **AND WEARING A BLINDFOLD!!!** HE WAS LITETALLY JUDGING/BEING JUDGED BLIND, SINCE ALL THE PARTS IN A TYPICAL COURT ROOM WERE HIMSELF!!!

“DECIET, what did you do to Logan!!!!????” “Nothing and I resent the question”

@espinozaeden

4 жыл бұрын

Janice**

@espinozaeden

4 жыл бұрын

but yes i loved this line lmaooo

@lantearia

4 жыл бұрын

@@espinozaeden Janus, not Janice. And this moment was before the name reveal happened.

@air5257

3 жыл бұрын

still wanna know what he did to logan tho, they never really said it

@aduckwithayoutubechannel

3 жыл бұрын

Emma Kartchner Janus***. It’s most likely based off of the Roman god Janus, typically depicted with two faces (calling someone two faced is like calling them deceitful).

two episodes ago: Roman is like the kids filter Roman: starts swearing Me: suspicious

@KingFlame-dh8rs

4 жыл бұрын

The Midnight River 2 episodes?

@shelbyteague7928

4 жыл бұрын

My head canon is that Roman represents the part of creativity generally considered acceptable by Thomas. Since Remus’s introduction and acknowledgement, there’s been a bit more acceptance of distasteful thoughts by Thomas, thus making Roman occupy part of that gray area between what is and isn’t appropriate (like swearing)

@Catathyst

4 жыл бұрын

@@KingFlame-dh8rs dealing with intrusive thoughts, are there healthy distractions

@jannikschmidt8511

4 жыл бұрын

@@shelbyteague7928 I wouldn't say acceptance, but rather tolerance.

@layamoon8505

4 жыл бұрын

When did he cuss I missed that

I feel like this was the first time its made really clear that the “dark sides/others” ultimately have the goals and motivations as the main sides. Their methods are different, but they do, in their own ways, want the best for Thomas. Obviously it was more subtly implied for a while before this one via Virgil and the reveals and growth in his character, but I always come back to this as the solidifying episode of them all wanting the same thing. Some of Remus’s lines are recontextualized with this clarity, like it becomes clear that when he talks about not limiting creativity and making a mark, he DOES mean that. He wants Thomas to achieve his goals…just the difference is he wants them achieved by ANY means. Necessary or not. Remus says he has no rhyme or reason (well maybe some rhyme) but the truth is he DOES also have reason. They act in their own perception of Thomas’s best interests, and all of them seem to get it right and wrong at times. I still hope we get to see Remus play a constructive function like Virgil and Janus have at this point somewhere down the line. (More than we have to date at least) Remus does say things that contain hints of truth behind his character, like the Cain and Abel comparison. He DOES feel slighted and overshadowed Roman. Janus (unlike Azula) DOESN’T ALWAYS lie. And even when he does (most of the time) he has a purpose in it, which is typically either shielding himself, or doing what he perceives as right by Thomas. Almost everything he does though seems to be about shedding (lol snake pun intended) light on forms of deception around and within Thomas, whether the deception is intentional or not. His role is more about unveiling harmful lies than it is about lying, on some level. Or at least that’s how I see it.

Why is Janus so intimated by Leslie?? 😂😂 THAT is the deep lore we're all missing

@delaneybenlon6106

10 ай бұрын

Because he's a famous actor.

@nemnyoom

8 ай бұрын

janus refuses to share the spotlight