What a garbage debate when you kick someone out for having a different idea

Wow, I've never seen such passion in previous invasions of Iraq Afghanistan and Libya. Sasha enjoyed some freedom of speech there lol 😂

23:50 you see democracy dying with thunderous applause ....

@cheerdiver

2 жыл бұрын

And at the hands of a panel of pedophilia supporters, at that.

Stan, Ukrainian and your Kiev government need to know what they have done in Donetsk and Luhansk, people there been living in their basement due to shelling from Ukraine army and Azov Battalion, it funny how Ukrainian is playing the victim now. Stan cant you feel the people in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria?, remember how Australian invaded Afghanistan, what did your special force did to those poor Afghan teenagers?

@user-uy1rg8td1v

2 жыл бұрын

The panel didn't even address the broken promises by the West of no more NATO expansion even though the host brought it up. The host should have pressed this issue. The US would not be happy if Canada or Mexico joined a Chinese/Russian/Iranian military alliance.

@NathanCroucher

2 жыл бұрын

no shit, these blatant double standards are one big cause of war.

@tomcross3000

2 жыл бұрын

Self defence in donetsk and luhansk, ukraine has been nothing but victims, valenski’s family was murdered by russian n@zis! But putin gaslighting saying ukraine are the white supremacists when they just want to be independent and sovereign away from russia.. Also afghanistan hid bin laden. Was only our intervention there that brought him to justice and quelled terrorism for a decade there and abroad and helped educate thousands of young women and helped spread knowledge about another better way of life. Yemen, our occupation there came to an end. Except for iraq things have been made better in these examples 😂 gee, what next, you going to make victims out of israel against palastine? Tamal tigers not so bad?! Foreign intervention happens when attacks happen by perpetrators of one country to another, or an ally country is attacked and asks for help. Now, NONE OF THIS APPLIES TO PUTIN VS UKRAINE.

@NathanCroucher

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomcross3000 So much of what you said is wrong "ukraine has been nothing but victims" Yes and no, ukraine IS a brutal and corrupt country, theve done things, long list look it up. ukraine has a big problem with white supremacists doing horroble things. The Taliban wanted proof bin laden was responsible, none given US just invades. LOTS of dead civilians there. And the Taliban has been left to clean it up. This ukraine war wont come anywhere near it. You think iraq wars are a joke? Austraian companies supply arms to saudis that kill civilians in yemen. "NONE OF THIS APPLIES TO PUTIN VS UKRAINE." YES IT DOES, DOUBLE STANDARDS!!

@tomcross3000

2 жыл бұрын

@@NathanCroucher the proof was there from intelligence that bin laden was training extremists to attack the US. The US having been attacked with the horror that happened has every right to retaliate. You might hate it but its true. And we occupied afghanistan for 20 years trying to “clean it up”. Only so much we can do. Ukraine may be brutal, nothing next to russia. Ukraine are brutal but they are independent and a democracy, it doesn’t matter if they are corrupt, you say that as if russia, the us, the uk or any other country has no corruption issues- that is your implication there, you didn’t mean it to come out, but it did, and that’s the biggest falsehood said yet here, that ukraine is corrupt therefore can’t be a victim of anything. If you know how long invasions and occupations last and how many people they kill then you know the russia ukraine conflict will be protracted for 10 years at least, and you think that’s a joke. You’ll note i didn’t say anything about iraq which was a false war. And yemen is a complicated affair where no country in the west looks good they all supply arms in trade partnerships, like how 40% of energy in the world is supplied by russia, 80% of exports supplied by china, we rely on them, we use what they produce, that must mean we all support tyranny and illegal invasion so no point complaining.. or just grow up. “Yes it does, double standards” .. where? Please explain that? All our recent occupations save one were justified, preceded by acts of war, or asked by countries wanting aid. This is contrary to everything russia has just done. The only thing that applies here is your quip about supplying arms to saudis, but even then.. we are supplying arms to ukraine, but this is for ukraine to defend itself with nothing expected in return, we do it rightly or wrongly with saudis in a trade deal. I repeat, NONE OF THIS APPLIES TO RUSSIA.

I have to question everything if I'm only allowed to get 1 side of the story.. The man should not have been removed

@abcabc2680

2 жыл бұрын

You seem to forget that we live in a “DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY” where we only want one sided view that we agree with only.

@psychedelicprawncrumpets9479

2 жыл бұрын

@@abcabc2680 yes they love throwing that "democracy" tag around.. 51% Lord it over 49%..seems fair 🤦‍♂️

@Courage2006

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I totally disagree with what he said. But kicking him out was just virtue signaling. Also, he wasn't advocating violence any more than the Ukrainian woman was.

@tomcross3000

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but there’s a true side and a false side. You can go watch fake news in your own time trying to excuse invasion and obliteration and say there was a justification or prelude for it then there wasn’t, there is one side that’s done nothing but try to exercise democratic rights to join up with the west as voted by its people, and another side that has been trying to expand its territory by hook or by crook and invade with boots on the ground like the mafia and trying to threaten the entire west in the process and their people overwhelmingly DID NOT WANT THIS.

@Courage2006

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomcross3000 First, might be a reason to not allow him to make the statement in the first place. But it doesn't justify kicking him out after he had already made the statement. At best, that's just virtue signaling. Second, I'd argue it's best to let him make the statement and then rebut it. The claim he made is already out there (Putin is making it) -- so spending the time to rebut it is useful. Third ... Yes, there is a truth and a false side. But kicking someone out for expressing the false narrative convinces no one that the person doing the silencing is right. Instead, it just looks like a coverup.

Lmao what a joke of a "debate". Even if you hate Putin it's worthwhile to understand the motivations of the enemy.

@joemarvincentserrano4234

2 жыл бұрын

🇺🇦👎🇷🇺 🇺🇳👎🇷🇺

@iainherridge6253

Жыл бұрын

Do you often NOT understand greed!

How is it a debate when you are already one sided .. kicking that Russian guy out means this is biased

Stan Grant is a muppet. Learn to listen to the question that is being asked!

In Ireland during the troubles we had a similar issue, not allowing Irish Catholic nationalists debate on TV as they were allegedly supporting violence. We had to learn that all sides need to be in the debate no mater how difficult it was to hear opposing sides. Ejecting Sasha from the debate was a waste of time as you need to keep people in the debate. It took many years in Ireland to get the two factions to talk, after 1000’s of unnecessary deaths. Ejecting one side out of the debate just delays and frustrates a process. Stan is a great interviewer but taking the moral high ground is useless as in the end we need to get people to talk together. Yes they will vent and then something happens, people learn to hear beyond the venting. May peace prevail!

@timelessJ

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, however I think "someone murdered someone doesn't gives you right to kill someone" pretty much ended debate anyway

@abcabc2680

2 жыл бұрын

@@timelessJ if “someone murdered someone” and the law does not do anything about it, that would be lawlessness. To the family and friends of the murdered person would be asking where is the law? And asking for justice. But if the judge is bias and discount or worse change and twist the evidence in favour for the murderer. And to make the matter worse the judge won’t allowing the family and friends to appeal the judgement. The end result would be lawlessness and anarchy.

@giacintaah

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you think that someone, who believes that the murder of innocents is somehow justified, would listen to "reason" & "debate?"

@alanfurlong9123

2 жыл бұрын

@@giacintaah Giacinta good point however hopefully similar to Irish and South African conflicts people that advocate murder and annihilation of innocents start to evolve by being invited to hear the alternative. If we alienate a person from voicing something we find offensive we harden their bitterness. What else do we have and in the end whenever that happens peace and reconciliation processes bring people to a place of healing. It took years in Ireland and South Africa but inevitably to break a rock all you need is a constant drip of water! Peace be with you.

@timelessJ

2 жыл бұрын

@@abcabc2680 yea, if law is imperfect that couldn't deliver justice then we need to go and improve law not go to murder others right? btw if US or EU act as reckless and irresponsible as Russia then we will be in ww3 already. who wanna nukes war?? you?? so I think this invasion proofed that Russia don't really deserve to have power. it's danger to the world

I dont think it is helpful to remove Sasha. His key point of a UN report suggesting 13000 civilians were killed by the Ukrainian goverment in Donbas is in my view misleading. Stan is aware of this. He should have clarify and corrected this misinformation. The casualties are around 4500 Ukrainian armed forces, 5500 separatist forces, 500 Russian armed forces and 3000 civilians. There is no breakdown for the civilian casualties and have no information on which side is responsible. Over 13000 died including 3000 civilian casualties is already a horrifying number but it is simply not true to say that the Ukrainian government 'killed' 13000 civilians. It should also be noted that the armed conflicts started because the separatist seized the government buildings throughout the Donbas region by force.

@abcabc2680

2 жыл бұрын

Sasha said “mostly Russian”

@giacintaah

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you think that someone, who believes that the murder of innocents is somehow justified, would listen to "reason" & "debate?" It's just platforming propaganda

@lazybob6665

2 жыл бұрын

@@abcabc2680 I understand that's his point of view but it is not supported by any evidence. My view is Stan should let Sasha stay and Stan should clarify the numbers and let the discussion continue.

@lazybob6665

2 жыл бұрын

@@giacintaah I understand it is hard to listen to Sasha's view and him quoting misleading information. But I think it is important for Sasha to stay and people with similar views as Sasha to listen to clarifications on the misinformation. Therefore, it is disappointing that Stan did not clarify the misinformation (based on the edited version of the program).

@giacintaah

2 жыл бұрын

@@lazybob6665 did Stan not explain that what he said was false though?

Very brave to leave the comment section open

@michaelandrews4783

2 жыл бұрын

This is Australia NOT Russia, though under the LNP it is heading that way

@NathanCroucher

2 жыл бұрын

ABC leaves the comments open more often that not. Its just the news that its off, as its news. This is Q+A Quagmire of ahols.

@blacksoul2410

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelandrews4783 ive only seen australian BIAS & CENSORSHIP

The upper limit of abc thinking is like this, and it is impossible to understand something beyond party politics

There is no such thing as international law.

@tomcross3000

2 жыл бұрын

Yes there is.

@medovaca

2 жыл бұрын

There is, but neither America nor Russia is following it.

@siddharthavicious108

2 жыл бұрын

There is but only when it's enforced by a unipolar hegemonic power who has confidence in itself.

Wow, that got intense...

Is there zero analysis in what the lead up was to this moment?

@djinghiskhan9199

2 жыл бұрын

We need to tune into RT - they have on the ground footage instead of White European women crying "Children" 4 times every sentence.

@atb12312

2 жыл бұрын

@@djinghiskhan9199 apparently it's okay when the Americans do it

@stephenogier7499

2 жыл бұрын

Don't expect to much analysis on the lead up to this, it would only complicate the narrative that they want to feed us. As they say, it's complicated; and looking too deeply uncovers our own complicity in Putin's actions regardless of which side of the fence we are on. My best advice is to listen to everything from everyone while understanding that at least half of what anyone tells you will be a lie. Everyone has an agenda.

@djinghiskhan9199

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephenogier7499 That includes watching RT who at least have up to date reporting on the ground where westerners dare not go.

@stephenogier7499

2 жыл бұрын

@@djinghiskhan9199 Sure, watch RT, but remember that what you see/hear there is very biased. As part of Russia's state media, it will only tell you what supports that government's line, regardless of whether that information can be trusted or not. It is possible to get great information on RT, but to get a balanced view you need to watch both sides of the story and think critically. Then if you are lucky, the truth will emerge.

No such debates over Israel occupation and apartheid over Palestine!! Yet using same terminologies for Russia over Ukraine.. who is taking sides now? Why no debates and sanction to US bombing in middle east and no way it touches the mainstream media. Let alone your show. Iraq Afghanistan and other countries who are being Bombed by US deserve much more than your one sided debate. Also, If one has a different opinion to yours then chill, don’t make a scene. This shows your intolerance. Say No to any war, not just what appeals you.

I do not agree with Sasha at all The MEDIA host should NOT have expelled him at all He may be merely misinformed or outright lying Freedom of speech is still freedom of speech

This should have told people who is right and who is wrong in this conflict

Lots of intellectual masturbation happening here, not much else from people who have never been on the front lines of any violent protests, never seen any killings, never had someone die in their arms, never had to worry about possible silencing, disappearing by govt agents or secret police.

@NathanCroucher

2 жыл бұрын

Former ASIO boss was the only decent guest.

The panel didn't even address the broken promises by the West of no more NATO expansion even though the host brought it up. The host should have pressed this issue. The US would not be happy if Canada or Mexico joined a Chinese/Russian/Iranian military alliance.

@giacintaah

2 жыл бұрын

Go on, explain what promises were broken

@riskitforthebiscuit4802

2 жыл бұрын

The US/NATO promised Russia it would expand one inch to the east, which was agreed apon and taken in writing. NATO/US broke that promise 14 times in less than 20 years.

@giacintaah

2 жыл бұрын

@@riskitforthebiscuit4802 except Ukraine isn't in NATO? So why invade Ukraine? Also that literally isn't a justification at all lmao

@giacintaah

2 жыл бұрын

@@riskitforthebiscuit4802 "they broke promises so im gonna murder innocent people & overthrow a democratic country"

@lazybob6665

2 жыл бұрын

@@riskitforthebiscuit4802 I am interested in the document/treaty you are referring to where NATO promises no expansion. I checked the Two plus Four Treaty and NATO-Russia Founding Act, the two most important treaty signed by NATO and Russia. There is no mention of "no NATO expansion promise" other than what NATO troops can station in formal East Germany and the payments from NATO to Russia for the formal Soviet forces to withdrawal from Germany. Happy to be corrected.

Hi from Republic of Ireland

@DoctorProph3t

2 жыл бұрын

Scarnon paddy

The episode that proved that the ABC does not believe in the right to free speech or having an opinion contrary to the popular media narrative.

@stevewogan

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree. They let him ask the question and then discussed it like all other questions. They asked him to leave because they felt it was inappropriate to have someone who supported the violence amongst friends and family of those being killed.

@katb7921

2 жыл бұрын

1. We do not have nor have ever had freedom of speech in Australia. 2. Freedom of speech is about the relationship with the government. Even though they receive government funding, the ABC is not the government. 3. Freedom of speech does not exempt from consequences. They are well within their rights to boot that questioner. And they were right to do so. The one thing I think they missed was this: For the sake of the argument, let's say Russia is correct in its statements in regards to human rights abuse in Ukraine, invading only makes things worse.

@snowstrobe

2 жыл бұрын

He was wrong to exclude him, but I think his thoughts were on the others on the room, including Ukrainians.

@andrewthomas695

2 жыл бұрын

While I don't think Stan did the right thing, I have to ask you do you really think that you should be conflating this to the whole of the ABC. Really!? The ABC has been instrumental in things like investigations into the abuse of children by the church, criminal behaviour in our financial sector and the crisis in our aged care sector. So, who would you replace them with? The Murdoch press?

@nephilimdj

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't it a slippery slope to say it's bad because Ukrainians are in the room? Every comment can offend someone in 2022. I mean the famous David Hicks John Howard segment could offend someone from Afghanistan, since he was training with the Taliban

Everyone should have a voice, even if its unpleasant.

Sorry Stan, but I think you were wrong to send Sasha from the room. You say you want a discussion, but you don't allow anyone who thinks differently from you to speak. That makes you as bad as Putin. Sasha is entitled to his views and I'm sure he believes he has a right to believe them based on what he has seen, read or been told, but by throwing him out of the talk you lose an opportunity to perhaps persuade him to a different view and others to hear why he thinks the way he does. Personally I would have liked to hear what he had to say. Your Liberal politician stated that we live in a system of international law, but clearly that didn't apply when Bush invaded Iraq and also killed innumerable civilians with his 'shock and awe' tactics. You didn't silence or clarify the obviously false statements of the politician, so why Sasha? If you are willing to allow one wrong or misleading view, then you must allow others also. It is only with many voices and critical thinking that we can come to the real truth. The situation is not black and white whatever you may think and not all of Putin's grievances with the West lack merit. While that does not give him the right to dismiss the notion of sovereignty in Ukraine or invade it, it needs to be understood in order to understand the nuance in this. Perhaps if as a world we had tried people like George Bush and his cronies for war crimes as they should have been, then perhaps that might have deterred Putin from committing his many and varied war crimes. We are all complicit in what is happening in Ukraine no matter how we try to justify our objections now.

@redlightmax

2 жыл бұрын

"We are all complicit in what is happening in Ukraine..." C'mon, dude.

@cathymartens7478

2 жыл бұрын

I was just about to comment on the absolute hypocrisy, and I'm not sure if the politician even knows how ironic his statements are.

I would have thought that all questions and audience are vetted prior to show to catch anything that is risky, swearing insulting/vulgar etc.. did this guy change his tact or questions just to get in the room or did the show know about this..?

@jimmybe64

2 жыл бұрын

who really cares?

@fiddlestickzmuzik

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimmybe64 seems like you do.

@jimmybe64

2 жыл бұрын

@@fiddlestickzmuzik no I don't. I can't be bothered like you typing your dream about what happened. I still don't care

@fiddlestickzmuzik

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimmybe64 ok mr muppet keep going.

@jimmybe64

2 жыл бұрын

@@fiddlestickzmuzik I still don't care about television program recording

One of the issues that I see, on both sides, is we still have this artificial divisions that's referred to constantly. East & West. If we think of ourselves as one human family then conflict and wars will be abhorrent and we will as a global society take action to eliminate it.

@inish13ers

2 жыл бұрын

Lovely dream :)

@OLE9191

2 жыл бұрын

The MSM is the VIRUS..PURE PROPOGANDA.

@r.lewisblake7793

2 жыл бұрын

Wow. Delusional much? The most horrific conflicts are “civil” amongst those with common histories. 🤦🏾‍♂️

Falinski is clear-eyed about this. This is nothing short of a battle between the rule of law and the caprice of thugs. Listen to Falinski.

So according to your argument Putin can take any country because we don’t want to escalate. If we don’t stop him now it will be many fold more tragic if we do it later. Make no mistake we will have to stop him at some stage.

@cerruti1881au

2 жыл бұрын

The fact is the US can take any country which they did decade ago. Which invasion in the middle-east was authorised by the UN? Rule of law is just the US rule. Don't blame Russia breaking the international law this time while the US constantly breaks the international laws and Australia is helping and supporting it without questioning. It's disgusting and hypocritic.

Maybe these crowds and Stan should watch George Galloway and learn facts and history, Stan is twisted words around which the Russian kid didnt say, why is Stan acting like a girl? all i can say is, Australia medias has gone so bad, nothing is the truth.

That guy got to ask his question, and the panel discussed it. It was broadcast on national television. Was his opinion suppressed? No. The argument about whether he should have been removed afterwards is just optics.

@abcabc2680

2 жыл бұрын

The question was “Where was your outpouring of grief and concern for the 1000s of mostly Russian killed” according to the UN report. Stan change Sasha words to 13,000 Russian killed by Ukrainian. If you care to listen to it again (from the full version), Stan said to Olga with the words of effect “following that we have a question from Sasha”(the above video have edited it out), the above video also edited out the part where Stan said the questions are not vetted. The “QUESTION” was not answered or discuss. Olga did not reply to the question and the liberal member’s answer is no different to accusing Sasha question as being trying to make justification for violation of UN charter. Sasha did not say it was “justification”!

@zen1647

2 жыл бұрын

By ejecting him Stan invalidated his that guys position based on the power he has instead of the strength of his argument. I am 100% opposed to war - if we don't consider issues from all aspects we won't turk understand them.

@notchunglingsu7014

2 жыл бұрын

In that case you are blind

@seminoleboy96

2 жыл бұрын

@@abcabc2680 They did answer it. The one dude said he doesn't care about people killed in Donbass.

@abcabc2680

2 жыл бұрын

@@seminoleboy96 and that is the point of Sasha question. And the panel together with the audience prove Sasha point.

Stan Grant demonstrating he's a consummate host. Good on ya, mate.

Shameful Australian television 🤡🤡🤡🤡

You have not heard in Syria the tyrant killed a million and displaced 10. Millions with all kinds of weapons and chemicals, and you did something to help the people

So we have a panel advocating for democracy then we become hypocritical by sending the opponents views out of the room. Lol the irony. Stan should we censor every American? They have done more then Russia? I would have loved to understand where the young man was coming from.

In my opinion what Stan did was wrong. No matter how wrong the gentleman was, and how much he has been manipulated by false information, free speech is a right in our country. We should feel disgusted about our own defence force committing war crimes in Afghanistan and being sent to Iraq in the first place which in some ways was violence that was 'advocated for' or perpetrated by Australians or Australia. While I'm proud to be Australian and think we have one of the best global reputations when it comes to these matters, I'd hate to see our country be full of hypocrites and shut down debate based on the argument "you like violence and I don't"

@Chad-qw8ok

2 жыл бұрын

That's a good point. I don't agree with that guy at all but I don't think Stan Grant can sit on his high horse, considering all the work his done for ASPI...

@xtrain6015

2 жыл бұрын

@@Chad-qw8ok I’m not sure when he worked for them but am I right in saying they are on the aggressive side of strategic policy?

@djinghiskhan9199

2 жыл бұрын

The gentleman you speak of is not wrong - it's his opinion. Just like Stand Grant cheered on the Iraq war.

@Chad-qw8ok

2 жыл бұрын

@@xtrain6015 ASPI are a right wing think tank that advocate to sell more weapons to Australia and usually stoke fears of war to sell more weapons. They are funded by the government along with other foreign governments. Stan has done a great deal of work for them. I find it downright ethically irresponsible that he can be on the national broadcaster stoking fears of war with China, day in day out. His position should be untenable.

@JonMarkSearle1

2 жыл бұрын

I'm confused by your logic xtrain, you seem to be saying that if an Australian commits murder, then it's 'Ok' for others to murder? If an old man is arrested in Melbourne for protesting against the our detention of refugees, then should we think it 'Ok' for an old lady to be arrested in St Petersburg for protesting against the war? Even if that old lady is the last surviving person of the WWI Siege of that same city? No. It is NOT OK.

LOL these comments. "Free speech!" "Censorship!" This is a game that they play. They make the most absurd claims, providing no evidence, and then it's all your fault for calling them out and booting them off the show.

@Courage2006

2 жыл бұрын

Calling them out is great. But kicking him out was nothing more than virtue signaling.

The trouble is western nations haven't lived by international law either, so there isn't a moral highground to take against Russia. It comes down to who is the most powerful and capable politically, militarily, economically etc.

@medovaca

2 жыл бұрын

You hit the target straight. The western nations including Australia are the last ones to talk about international law and moral highground.

@ianmcnaney6528

2 жыл бұрын

That's at least a reasonable claim to make, so let's pretend for the sake of argument that it's true. Does that matter? Wrong actions don't become right just because somebody else did them in the past.

@medovaca

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianmcnaney6528 , Why we should pretend for the sake of argument that it's true? It is true. Let us not pretend but be honest. I am not saying that Russian action is right because the same and worst (with more people dead and more countries distryed) Amricans did. Both American and Russians are wrong including their followers such as Australia (Irak). Putin has reveal the western hypocrisy and make it transparent. America and its satelites must stop what they are doing otherwise Putin will strike with atomic bomb and the whole world is by, by Charly.

@asoka6296

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianmcnaney6528 my point is not to justify what Russia is doing. I'm pointing out that the western nations have not followed international law when it has suited them, and continue to do what suits them. The guy on the panel made the argument that the West has been following international law and Russia isn't. Russia isn't but the west hasn't in the past and fails to still.

@va3403

2 жыл бұрын

​@@ianmcnaney6528 Since 2007 Putin has offered the West to settle this issue without bloodshed so many times that it's not even funny. Yet, you are probably not aware of any of this, as it's mostly gone unnoticed in the Western MSM. The West had at least 15 years to start to live by the law, yet, not a single attempt was made by it to rectify the situation. Now, when the West drew a knife right next to Russia's throat, Putin finally started to act not talk. You had plenty of time to voice your concerns with your government, yet you chose to remain silent. It's probably better for you to remain silent now too. Otherwise one might have reasonable grounds to accuse you of being an arrogant lier.

Stan's past membership of ASPI should be declared IMO. ASPI is funded by arms manufacturers (Lockheed Martin, Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, Saab AB, Northrop Grumman, Thales Group and Raytheon) amongst other sources, many of them foreign. This is a potential conflict of interest and could effect the way he conducts himself in my opinion.

@va3403

2 жыл бұрын

Wait, are you saying that Stan was actually involved with an organization which planned Australian invasion of Iraq and Syria?

@beesplaining1882

2 жыл бұрын

@@va3403 not that im aware of. It is a think tank that has been quoted globally in the Angloshere's war of words against China. (Stan/Angloshere...There's irony there!).

@NathanCroucher

2 жыл бұрын

@@va3403 no, but he profited from it financially.

Well Poland already share a border with Russia. Kalingrad . Yes, So the Polish are fine having Russian soldiers on their border because they've been there since the beginning

@azmagaref

2 жыл бұрын

I thought they shared no borders, thanks for that, now I'll have to google earth it.

So only one side of the story is allowed? We are bombard with the war in Ukraine heavily. What about Yemen? Are Yemeni people not worth enough to make a show like this one? Oh wait, there are higher interests right? Hypocrites with double moral standards.

@rogertoole9468

2 жыл бұрын

Yemen doesnt have nuclear power . putin has the power to blow the world up .

@peterdeltron8821

2 жыл бұрын

@@rogertoole9468 We were bombarded form day 1. Treat with nuclear weapon has been made later.

Correct the misinformation rather than kicking the guy out. It's not like the guy was misbehaving.

@inish13ers

2 жыл бұрын

Drivel

Hitler had a big army too.

@missemoji822

2 жыл бұрын

He didn't have nuclear weapons so there was no risk of the world ending these are two different wars so what's your point about Hitler having a big army I hate overly simplistic questions like this 😡

Слава Украине 🇺🇦

@stephenogier7499

2 жыл бұрын

Slava i mir Ukraine!

@algimantaslegetskas4397

2 жыл бұрын

Пизда окраине скоро 😍

At last - an Australian site that allows viewers to comment!

@djinghiskhan9199

2 жыл бұрын

Until Stan Grant shuts it down

@biggils8894

2 жыл бұрын

They only allow comments they approve of. Count the deleted from the counted comments

What about west invasion of smaller countries

@medovaca

2 жыл бұрын

Do not worry be happy, It is OK.

@joshibrahim1537

2 жыл бұрын

They’re brown but so who cares

@giacintaah

2 жыл бұрын

Whataboutism is silly. Someone else doing bad things doesnt negate tou doing the bad things too

@thetrungtran5068

2 жыл бұрын

@@giacintaah it's not about Whataboutism, it's about hypocrisy

@cathymartens7478

2 жыл бұрын

@@thetrungtran5068 so true, well said.

Knowing the truth but project other agenda

Such blinkered Aussie views. Get some guests with a world view. Terrible

I can only imagine how upset Stan was when Australia invaded independent countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, which resulted in at least 1 million people, mostly civilians, killed, and millions more becoming refugees. How upset he must have been when Austrlian soldiers were slitting throats of Afghani children and shooting farmers at point blank range...

@beesplaining1882

2 жыл бұрын

He would also be upset about the Yemen conflict. He would be upset about the Saudi Arabian blockade and bombing of Yemen civilians and he would be beside himself about the assistance given by the US in supplying, training and targeting for the Saudis.

@medovaca

2 жыл бұрын

And also how upset Stan was when Australia invaded and massacred his Aboriginal people.

@beesplaining1882

2 жыл бұрын

@@medovaca (technically speaking, it was the British.) He is probably upset about that, and rightly so, the other crisis' ....not so much.

@medovaca

2 жыл бұрын

@@beesplaining1882 , Not really, Brithish starded and Australians continued. His fellow aborignies were considerd not as human beings but as a flora and fauna up to 1967.

@beesplaining1882

2 жыл бұрын

@@medovaca Stan would be genuinely upset about the treatment of aboriginal people in Australia. All the other examples were sarcasm because he is not upset and has never mentioned them.

"We want to hear from all sides, but not if it conflicts with our propaganda message. Please leave"

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Wow this first time watching this show and what an impression it gave me. Kicking out people with different views that isn’t aligned with the chairperson in supposedly open discussion. He wasn’t being physical and as mention he could have been misled my propaganda. If you would have answer and rebutt in a normal debate you not only could help with misinformation to him but others too. Kicking him out just reinforce how BS the west is that only listens to one side. This show therefore is garbage and propaganda from my first time watching. Shame on ABC network for funding this show!

23:50 for the Russian-propaganda bloke. 28:39 for Stan Grant kicking him out.

28:57 Stan Grant? More like Grand Standing, amirite?🥁 [crickets] Try the veal.

Ukraina first starts the war in 2014 up to today.

How those people not shame to create such programs

Can’t watch anymore Aunty you used to do so much better.

What a nonsense

Your all full of it.

@kinarrakid5036

2 жыл бұрын

It's 'you're', as 'you are all full of it'.

@joshibrahim1537

2 жыл бұрын

It’s so hard to take someone serious when they can’t spell properly.

@unstoppableExodia

2 жыл бұрын

Yo Stevie here’s a quick refresher on your/you’re Your shit infers the shit belongs to you You’re shit is a slighty abbreviated way of saying you are shit

Indian and Pakistani also NC power didn’t vote against Russian. NATO let Ukrainian die hand of mighty army of Russian. NATO country Pooh on their pants when Ukrainian president ask for no flying zone. According to reports Syrian terrorist get money from USA to fight . I have friends from Ukraine it’s very emotional to see innocent peoples die because of bloody politicians biggest mistakes.

Lol shit didn’t expect that - a Russian plant?

@ni9901

2 жыл бұрын

What he said isn't wrong doesn't justify what Putin has done but he isn't wrong in saying there have been thousands killed by Ukraine in the separatist regions it's been happening since 2014 after a peace deal

@medovaca

2 жыл бұрын

How about Ukrainian plants on the panel?

@biggils8894

2 жыл бұрын

Mainstream media is all you got. You have no truth or fact @ Sean Higgs

@redlightmax

2 жыл бұрын

@@ni9901 "What he said isn't wrong..." What he said was absolutely wrong. 24:08 He said that the Ukrainian government killed 13,000 people - 24:40 as Stan Grant pointed out, that's the total number of people killed, not Russians only.

Obamastan just dont get it

Hey,Australian top spy, you forgot that India has not condemned Russia! Intentionally?

THIS IS PROPAGANDA

At first, I was a little uncomfortable with kicking him out of the debate. Then, I got on board with denying him the airwaves to advocate slaughter. However, another commentor said, “let him speak, just correct the false hoods”. I think that would’ve been a better tack. Also, you could then not ask him any more questions. He had his chance.

@NathanCroucher

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong to kick him out. What he said wasnt all that inaccurate, he did take liberty with the numbers, but misinformation isnt illegal. Why hold him to a standard the media and politicians don't abide by. Look at the PM that guy is a pathological liar.

@redlightmax

2 жыл бұрын

@@NathanCroucher I agree, the Russian should've been allowed to stay, even with that haircut.

@squarecracker

2 жыл бұрын

How is he advocating slaughter?

Stan is upset, the poor girl

In the early 1960's I learnt that the King of North discussed in Daniel chapter 11 is Russia. Now 60 years later I'm seeing a Bible prophecy written over 2,000 years ago being fulfilled. I'm 73. This prophecy tells us what is yet to come! Daniel chapter 12 tells us this prophecy is for the "Time of the End."

@vivaelpepe4878

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that’s the answer, more religion 😂

@grahammewburn

2 жыл бұрын

@@vivaelpepe4878 hello The Bible is not religion Pepe. I shared this so you can watch it come true. It will stand or fall. If it falls it is of no value. If this over 2000 year old prophecy comes true perhaps you should rethink your view of Jehovah's Sacred Word. Love Gray ❤

@vivaelpepe4878

2 жыл бұрын

@@grahammewburn you know that both sides think they have Jehovah’s backing while they kill each other.

@grahammewburn

2 жыл бұрын

@@vivaelpepe4878 yes They did the same in WW 1 & WW 2. True Christians listen to Jesus and Love their enemies

@vivaelpepe4878

2 жыл бұрын

@@grahammewburn agreed, but how many Christians love their enemies, they don’t even live their brothers, why do Christians elect leaders who go on to commit atrocities all over the world.

Great show but I cannot stand Stan Grant.

You tell him Stan 💪🏼

@djinghiskhan9199

2 жыл бұрын

Yay - cheer on censorship

ABC : anyone disagree me will be remove. Anyone disagree me should go out, enn ,that's abc's democracy.

🧂 Take everything you read in comments with a shaker full of salt. Many, many Russians posing as anything but Russian. Psychological operations straight our of Moscow and St Petersburg. 🧂

@squarecracker

2 жыл бұрын

ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A RUSSIAN AGENT!!!!!!!!! I LOVE THE CIA

*Shame* *on* *Stan* Disgraceful.

@resolecca

2 жыл бұрын

Good on Stan

As far as I am concern , the world need Russia return back to the world Superpower, China is too soft to deal with the international terrorist (United State of America) refused to pay compensation for the Viet Nam war, a crook and a thug. Are you ready Australia ? I am ready ,let the game begin.

@peppipoohductionswakashunt3157

2 жыл бұрын

You are correct, we need Russia to keep the balance of power, I don’t want to be American, Russian or chines, I’m happy being Australian and we need to keep these countries interests away from Australia and more importantly our government where they’re doing their bidding.

@fher213

2 жыл бұрын

We got the Original Gangster here let the hunger games begin.

@DoctorProph3t

2 жыл бұрын

Cool, let’s remove Putin and allow Russia to have fair elections. It’s the only way to secure stability of Russia, if it’s truly the star we need to steer by we can’t allow one man, one criminal to control the super power “the world needs”.

@peppipoohductionswakashunt3157

2 жыл бұрын

@@DoctorProph3t genius! We can do what we did to Lybia and Iraq, it’s worked wonders there hasn’t it.

@minhsun5441

2 жыл бұрын

@@fher213 You and Australian think they saw everything about Vietnamese ? You seeing nothing yet . The EU next door to Ukraine and they refuse to send troop helping them. America and UK going send hundred thousand troops half way around the world helping you ? The Aussie take advantage of Vietnamese people? it was me who saves a group of Aussie expat in vietnam, my cousin and his friends want to beat them up for been a smart arses like you. i bring out the best and a defending champion and your ambassador can lick their arses.Tell them to leave my country, no one can save them . Aussie Aussie oi oi oi. Do you know who we are ? we fear nobody

Special Murder Operation

Stan needs to move to Russia because he just put a target on his back 😂 Stan RIP 🪦 if your house burns down it’s your neighbours 😂 leave your iPhone it’s useless in Russia now 😂 oh and it’s one way ticket their planes are not allowed to fly anywhere near here 😂