This brings back a few memories , I used to work in a blacksmith here in Brisbane shop in the 80s and 90s and they did a lot of dropped axles before they could be bought over the counter , we did almost all the heating in the forge then pushed them in the press cooling the king pin end and the spring eyelet with water while keeping the heat in it with a large rosebud using LPG , my boss would set the camber with a jig later , still took a while to do but they got them done .

Maybe drop the jig base down and use an extension or stock between the ram and spring mount will keep the ram away from the heat

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Yeah we did that, worked a treat.

@jonivanart

10 ай бұрын

I typed this in right before I saw this! 😂🤣 I’ll modify my suggestion. 🤙🤙

The trial and error is what hot rodding is all about! And your positive spirit through the process is infectious and inspiring. Great stuff and congrats on a successful drop! Go Bennetts Customs, keep moving forward! Can't wait to see where you're going next!

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

That you Murdoc! Always great to read your motivating comments! Means a lot

Outfrigginstanding! That setup as it gets dialed in is game changing.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Kirk! Will be great to watch it evolve

@kirkoglesby6175

10 ай бұрын

@bennettscustomsco never miss you or Karl over at Make it Custom. 20's an 30's are my thing. Just can't afford it. Figure I watch you fellas maybe I'll build one one day.

I’m excited for you. I can’t wait to see what you’re doing next . Thanks

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Some good ideas coming Ron!

One advantage of Lee Grants jig is being upside down the king pin can be drove out instead of pulling it. Just a thought. Good video.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Definitely, luckily it’s easier to get out now

GREAT engineering! Love how those axles turned out. 😎👍

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Trash! Much appreciated

What an awesome result, you gotta be stoked with that! I'm sure you'll keep getting it all the kinks ironed out with the more you do, but what a start, well done.

I have made tube straight axles for race scars. You need to turn the axle 90 degrees on the vise, put a couple long tubes like electrical conduit in the king pin bosses, stand back 15 feet and see if they are both level to each other. if not you will have different caster angles.

Great project and video. I enjoy watching your content and work ethic. It will be awesome to have an unlimited supply of drop axles 😃

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

No kidding! All different sizes!

For your heat problem, just drop your press table down a foot and build a ram extension that welds to your spring press tool. And maybe a small Porta ram to go under the king pin to press it out if it gets stuck again. Or even flip your jig over and somehow drill a hole so you can use your press to press out the king pin rod. Anyways, great video keep them coming

I had this same "king pin removing" issue when i built my jig to drop my 32 heavy axle. First side i used a stock 1941 (i think) king pin, and it bent. Second side, i machined a piece of steel with the same kind of fixture to pull it off. And had the same bending and stucking situation. It's an eternal trial and error thing, but your jig is really cool! Cheers from Brazil!

@bennettscustomsco

9 ай бұрын

Yeah it definitely took a few tries to get it right but happy it not slides out with ease

For a first attempt at axle dropping,you and the team did awesome job!!. Keep up the great work!.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Thank you Daryl!

Awesome result for a beginner. Fun to watch.

As a woodworker who does an extra half a dozen of the same project at a time for gifts, I spend a great deal of time making jigs that pretty much guarantee good repetitive results. Fun to see you develop that jig and pay exacting attention to the many details that insure better results…every time. I also commend your spirit of determination. When you were suspending yourself from that pry bar it reminded me of the old hanging-cat poster titled “Hang In There”. Good stuff as usual.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Hahaha thanks Gary!

Good stuff Jordan, enjoyed watching it. Keep it up, well done.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Paul

this is gonna be one bad ass hotrod

You should make a couple large dove tail slides. With grease holding paths etched in it. To mount both ends to with a series of 1" bolts and pins to latch the hot side in place, so the center of the axel can go down evenly and level. When thf desired drop is reached . Latch the opposite side, release pressure then reapply quickly while it's still hot. Then allow to cool. And make super hard tempered king pins just for this process. With a threaded area to draw them out, look like a long eye bolt, with a king pinon the end of it. And make a oversized flange nut to drain it out with ground hardened washers with grease on them. Attach a long flat bar to the eye part, to prevent turning use a roughly 1.5" wrench or larger depending on the nut oversize. turn the nut with a fine 1" thread. The attached bar can also be used with a piece of flat bar, as a pivot point. To lever up the king pin. Possibly made from tempered tool steel, then ground to final size and use copper grease ,grind a tiny line down the king pin. To hold grease. In about 6 sides. With the ends mount on dovetail slides, the drop can be set easily.

Hi and good day again. Look up Evil Iron Classics here on KZread, about a year ago they showed how to drop the axles and his rig looked simple but worked really great and the dropped ends didnt shorten like yours did, seemed easy to build and operate, hope it helps.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for that! I will look it up! All the best

Awesome! Thanks for sharing, this was great.

Great work mate, the 3” looks the goods 😎Keeping the dream alive. I’ve still got that timber kit hear

@bennettscustomsco

9 ай бұрын

Definitely need to grab it asap!

nicely done 👍 , looks like you got it all more less under control now , hopefully the press won't suffer to much from all that heat ... the one that Lee Grants uses, is also a nice design , simple and very user friendly ... 🍺🍺

On your heating. Would an induction unit work? Maybe quicker and placed more accurately. Just a thought. Also make sure the pin is an alloy steel. Hey I’ve always wanted see how this was done. Great job.

Hey Jordan, nice job, enjoyed the video, I've been hooked on your channel since the race car episodes , keep em coming...Ralph

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the support Ralph!

Great stuff! 👏👏 Your bearings aren’t riding flat across them all at once. My guess is the post it’s riding in isn’t perfectly parallel with both sides. Hope this helps.

Roller bearings would be best to use as they spread the load where ball bearings concentrate the load more into a point.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Thanks a great Tip Tom thank you!

Great job. It's amazing how much the steel will stretch and bend. I like seeing you scare Josh in every video lately.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

He doesn’t hahaha

Now that you have a rig to do repeatable drops you need to work up a jig for easily testing the results without fiddling with the vise and leveling each one. P.S. You could always drop the work surface of the press down and use a spacer between work and ram, that would get the ram & resvr. out of the direct line of heat, but then you would be on hands & knees heating the axle.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

The second model a axle we dropped I dropped the press down and added a spacer- it certainly helped

😂😂 good one, got him back!

Great work 👍👌👌 Cheers Chris

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Chris!!

Good work on the drop Jordan, its probably going to be hard to shield the ram from the heat the rosebud generates in close proximity it might be better as someone else has mentioned to drop the jig lower and use a ram extension (and steady to stabilise the extension if needed) once the drop is done set up a fan to dissipate the heat travelling up the extension, anyway food for thought. Cheers Greg

It would probably help also to have a way to clamp the end of the axel to the fixture. Like two 1" x 4" x6" tall plates, with the ends milled to fit partly around the axel end, then bolted at a 45° angle. To squeeze it like a vise when tightened. It should have about 3, roughly 1/2"-5/8" bolts per side. To take some pressure off the king pin. I always thought this was done with a cone shaped pin that only holds the top and bottom of the axle. Like a tail stock dead center on a lathe. Only half the cone in the axel.

Jordan I had a thought about how you get back the overall 1" your narrowing axle, would making a cam at the end where the exploding bearing are on ,did that make sense 🤔 lol. Now at the hydraulic end would a keyway with a lip only for keeping the other half located when applying pressure on it to stop it from flying out .just a thought thanks for parts looking forward to the next .great work mate keep um coming 👍

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

The Cam idea is really cool. Rather the shimming it you could just turn the cam to a certain point

@jasonshaw9240

10 ай бұрын

I was thinking it a little more, if you use solid rollers but tapper a plate that will stretch the axle in a smoother flow as it comes down. 🤔 that make sense again lol. Same but different 👍

hi, you could use 4140 that well not bend lick mild steel it will bend to Ezy in wat you doing love watching your videos.

Very satisfying for you, I would be too if I did that good first time, well done!

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

Gr8 fun to watch, my 2 cents worth, put the pin in from the bottom then use an air hammer to knock it out.

Do you think the king pin is stuck because they oxidized with the heat and seized up? My Dad, an airplane mechanic,would use milk of magnesia as anti-seize for igniters in the jet engines. So lit worked like a high temp anti-siege. Awesome channel by the way!! Always love to see a video has dropped!!

I do not have pictures but when I was 10 to 12 years old now 75 I was always a guy down the street. He was dropping axels and he had a pivoting jack on the side of his i beam that had a cantilevered arm on it to drop the axle and away from the heat also self contained dropping jig

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

That’s so cool!!

Very Nice work Jordan You might want to check in to that electric heating system they sell I don’t know if you ever seen it

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

That’s a good call!

Hi thanks for the video, a friend in Tassy dropped a few axles, he had the same problem with the king pin, so they had one made of a higher grade steel and it didn't bend. This may help you. Thanks Byron

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Thank you Byron! Much appreciated

Maybe you can cut the kingpin head into a hex and use a socket on an impact to turn it out. Also I think you also need to raise the other end so the bore is in line, that .001 might be letting it get too out of alignment.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

We didn’t do a good job of fliming the second axle but with a little heat on the welded end the new king pin only needs a tap with a hammer and she came perfectly

An idea on measuring angles on a table. Make bolts that goes through the spring perch holes and on the head of the bolts weld cylinders big enough to lift the whole axle off the table and long enough to keep it stable. Assuming your spring perch holes havent rotated when bending it should give you a good measurement on the angles at the ends.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Very good idea! Thanks Jeremy

You're probably getting some deformation at your pin and that's why is so hard to get out so try and make a heat shield around that too and that might help

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

After creating the new pin and a bit of heat it slides out a treat now!

Maybe you should start over and build it like Lee's from LG speed. He doesn't have a problem with getting the axle out when he's done.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

It works perfect now. Bit of heat and a light tap and out she comes

Hydraulics to bend the axle - hydraulics to pull the pin out. A hollow porta-power ram that will pull the pin effortlessly.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

It actually comes out just perfect now. A little heat and slides right out!

What about using an induction heater like those used on frozen bolts/nuts. I don't know if they make one that would fit over the kingpin end, but worth looking into.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I need to look into that

The problem with pin removal is due to using axle ends instead of a spindle.the spindle has less surface area than the axle ends plus the spindle has a little slop in the bushings which does not grab the pin,with your set up the pin is being pulled through 7 1/2 of hole .friction

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

The pin removal is simple now with a little heat and a few taps. Problem with a spindle idea is those bushing wear and will wear fast after a few axles.

If the car gets a 3 or 4 inch drop with the stock wishbone, some more caster is usually required.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

You’re right. About 1 degree more

Maybe you should look at getting a small forge, to heat the axle. It would be easy enough to get the axle from the forge to the press

How do you adjust the Cambor if needed?

are you going to be able to use this axle with out some sort of engineering approval/test in wa ? i was told a couple of weeks ago we cant even split a wishbone any more ? not sure if this is right guess i will find out the hard way . also mate when you were checking your camber the vice was moving around it looks like its loose on the bench/pole you got it on . nice job on the axle , i wouldnt hesitate to use it . i think the way lg customs does it is less complicated in a moving parts kind of way

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

If we decided to do more we will try and get them done and have an engineering app. Yeah vice pin sits level. Loose or tight. His is a great setup and simple!

Hard steel like 4130? Maybe

I would try putting anti seize on the king pin it will help to lube the pin and the anti seize will take the heat and still lubricate.

@johnhill2594

10 ай бұрын

High heat anti-seize. We use it on turbo and exhaust parts.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

At the end of the video I mention that I was able to have success pulling the pin out easy with some heat and a few taps. Comes out a charm now!

Make the pints of stainless. Higher melting temp.

Just wondering...........would it be worth taking a cutting disc on a grinder and making a helix, maybe 2 or 3, on the pin that goes in the kingpin bushes. That way you can run in some light oil and hopefully it may help getting lube in there for when it comes to pulling it out? Also would it be worth turning the axle upside down and clamping it down to the jig and then making a jig that can adjust for camber and caster and then secure that to the kingpin bushes and then push down onto that jig with the ram? Helps to keep the ram further from the heat and you might have more control over setting camber and castor relative to the centre of the axle?

@larrycluness5438

10 ай бұрын

Fantastic videos by the way! One a week is more than enough, wouldn't be the end of the world if you went to one a fortnight, don't want to run the risk of video burnout!!

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Pulling the new pin is easy, light heat and two taps with the hammer it’s out, unfortunately I didn’t film that part

@larrycluness5438

10 ай бұрын

@@bennettscustomsco Yeah I will admit to be a bit premature with my comment. I went out to the garage after watching the first bit of the video then the rest when I came back in! Glad to see you got it sorted.

Spread out the load on the barring by pressing them inside of a tube

Could you adapt a hydraulic bearing puller to help remove the kingpin?

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

It was mentioned in the shop but it simply needed a bit of heat two the welded axle ends and out it came effortlessly

just need to heat it back up a bit its because it's shrinking when you got it all red. I would suppose it if you didn't heat it up enough while jacking on it that you would bend the bar if the tonnage overcomes it. They come out looking real good. I still think i can buy one cheaper.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Yeah a little heat and two knocks with the hammer it comes out perfectly

hardened shaft for king pin. Won't deform under pressure

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Definitely.

i wonder if anti-seize would help ??

try a turbo wrap on the ram

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

That’s not a bad call!

you may smach it from the bottom with a good persuader tool or air hammer ? 😀

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

No access unfortunately. However, not shown but the new KP comes out with only a light tap of a hammer with the use of some heat

You need a forge for heating those up.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Bit difficult unfortunately

Странно что ты работая с металлом не знаешь простых правил работы с металлом основанных на законах физики. Металл всегда лучше растягивается чем сжимается... поэтому любые оси не вытягивают, как делали вы в этом видео, а выбивают штифтом с другой стороны! Но это было очень смешно наблюдать за вами!)) Привет вам с берегов Байкала!) It's strange that you, working with metal, don't know the simple rules of working with it, based on the laws of physics. Metal is always better stretched than compressed... therefore, any axes are not pulled out, as you did in this video, but are knocked out with a pin on the other side! But it was very funny to watch you!)) Greetings from the shores of Lake Baikal!)

Please consider an ejector pin from a plastic injection mold for your king pin, they are nitrile case hardened.

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Pin worked a treat in the end

@waynespyker5731

10 ай бұрын

My bad, I missed the 10 mm free load for your cam rolls.

Looks to be a great deal more effort than LG’s design?

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Completely different style

I don't understand how you can have a symmetric end result by using the same roller surface for the second bend. I was expecting you would need 1/2 shims or another set of rollers with 1 inch different diameter. Are the finished profiles duplicates?

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Finished axle measures exactly the same each side

@waynespyker5731

10 ай бұрын

My bad, I missed the 10 mm freeload for the cam rolls.

Use a hydraulic Jack to press to get king pin out.

Son called Hudson, daughter called Hornet ?!

Reheat it for gods sake...I cant watch

@mickeydelano6706

10 ай бұрын

Next time I'll be sure to watch till the end before commenting😂😂😂

Scusami ,hai una bolla digitale non devi per forza livellare l'asse,metti la riga azzeri la bolla e provi le angolazioni !

@bennettscustomsco

10 ай бұрын

Good cool! That would work great

@naftaster

10 ай бұрын

@@bennettscustomsco 👍

@naftaster

10 ай бұрын

anyway congratulations, excellent work, I'm following you from Italy