Punisher is the only character who doesn't have a active villain because he killed his counter part long back.

@ethanhayes7205

2 жыл бұрын

His rogues gallery is basically just a graveyard.

@GreaterGrievobeast55

2 жыл бұрын

Theres two to my knowledge. Jigsaw who’s basically a lucky ass human cockroach who keeps clinging to dear life. And kingpin who Punisher sure as hell as tried to kill but you know,The fat bastard who’s a 4D chess player that can wrestle superhumans to death and causally pull peoples arms off for no supernatural reason.

@donellebullock7404

2 жыл бұрын

@@GreaterGrievobeast55 Thing is only 3% of Fisk's body is fat. He has over 350lbs of pure muscle.

@BlazingOwnager

2 жыл бұрын

@@GreaterGrievobeast55 He also has Baracuda, but he's dead. He finally kills Kingpin in the Max series, but it was too late because Max sucks utter nuts the minute Ennis leaves. Every comic following his run was toilet paper. In fact, seeking the dramatic drop in quality and then going "What the hell is wrong?" and realizing that was the one Ennis left the series made me immediately a fan of Garth Ennis. Not just because I appreciated what he did, but because I could see in his absence just how much talent he had.

@jefftressa

2 жыл бұрын

Moon knight is another Marvel character that doesn’t like to leave his opponents alive. He leaves his opponents feeling fear and despair before ending them.

Batman: "If I murder a murderer the number of murderers in the world remain the same" Punisher: "Not if you kill them all"

@MILDMONSTER1234

2 жыл бұрын

They would just be replaced the next day tbh

@mlgamings6110

2 жыл бұрын

@@MILDMONSTER1234 Punisher: "So keep killing them when they show up."

@Kronosfobi

2 жыл бұрын

Funny thing is since noone Frank has ever killed is innocent, Ghost Rider's penance stare didnt work on him. I'D trade a terrorist who blows up innocent people and children at the park, with a terrorist who is actively hunting down other terrorists any day of the week.

@markmagician2471

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kronosfobi only because Castle regrets nothing

@kabronex9877

2 жыл бұрын

@@MILDMONSTER1234 Oh. Hi there.

Batman: Or maybe Arkham would suit you better. Punisher: *Getting rid of Gothan's super Villains 100% Speedrun*

@choolimba6704

2 жыл бұрын

Punisher wouldn’t last 2 minutes with bane

@choolimba6704

2 жыл бұрын

@@callmejacob3234 so would clay face, killer croc, and Grundy.

@choolimba6704

2 жыл бұрын

@@callmejacob3234 do you think scarecrow would beat punisher too?

@GreaterGrievobeast55

2 жыл бұрын

@@choolimba6704 hard to say, street tier marvel villains have crazy will power, so punisher might be able to deal with the fear toxin for a bit. Or it might back fire can cause frank to lash out at civies. Either way I thinl scarecrow would have fun with him.

@aroy531

2 жыл бұрын

@@callmejacob3234 the same goes for Batman if he's sent to a prison completely stripped. No plot armor to help him there

I love this whole thing. The Joker isn't scared of dying, but he wants his death to MEAN something, and if he can die by driving a hero with a code like Batman or Superman to kill him, then it does because his death means he made them fail by their own standards. But his death can't mean anything if it's Punisher doing it. Then, he's just another tally mark in the Punisher's war journal, and Punisher won't remember him a week from now. It would be meaningless, he'd just be another thug put down by the Punisher. All of this is a very roundabout way of saying that the Joker doesn't fear DEATH, he fears PUNISHMENT.

@elcaponeholyemperorofnj1169

Жыл бұрын

He fears the punisher

@mightyquin6831

Жыл бұрын

That last bit about what joker fears was both clever AND funny.

@Noname-gm5om

Жыл бұрын

Goes to show Batman is extremely and stupidly ineffective he’s not even punished fighting batman just back to murdering a week later and then they make out because obviously batman has a hard on for joker. I understand not killing but objectively the right thing to do here would be to stand back and let justice happen. They say justice is blind for a reason joker has killed hundreds if not thousands and it’s all a game that Batman encourages. I’ve read batman comics and seen so much batman shit and I understand the code but interfering here was just wrong.

@Aivottaja

Жыл бұрын

Her fears irrelevance.

@knuxuki1013

Жыл бұрын

@@Noname-gm5om Agreed, if he doesn't want to kill, let someone else do it

The joker isn't scared of death but being put down like a dog in some shit stain alley forgotten by his killer like some no name thug people forget that he is an egomaniac, he wants a death worthy of martyr but punisher won't give him that and that genuinely terrified him

@noelleholiday61

2 жыл бұрын

Plus if Batman or Superman do it, he still gets the last laugh. He made them break their one rule. If Punisher does it, he's just another criminal put down.

@brandongonzalez7672

2 жыл бұрын

@@noelleholiday61 exactly you can't tell someone that they broken the rules if they dont have any to begin with

@jamesmcclaren9759

2 жыл бұрын

Great insight. Perfectly stated

@heavenlysenju9948

2 жыл бұрын

I think you're just excusing bad writing. That's a good way too rationalize how pathetic joker just looked but I think the writer just wanted to prove a point by shitting on joker.

@mfirdanhb

2 жыл бұрын

@@heavenlysenju9948 nah

Surprised Castle didnt just say "you let him be free, you are responsible for every atrocity he commits, you are what allows him this evil. You are worse than him.

@MILDMONSTER1234

2 жыл бұрын

Probably cause deep down he doesnt care

@ironbaysqiureg4827

2 жыл бұрын

@@MILDMONSTER1234 And that's what makes him truly a fascinating character Because Frank He doesn't care but he only knows that he puts a time counter on for the day Batman dies, retires, or turns into a monster that he will put down. The most you'll get from Frank is a name on the list And when it's over that list will be in the trash like it was nothing.

@scotcarr3390

2 жыл бұрын

Bats wouldn't care. To his mind, Punisher is no different than Joker or any of them. He let Frank walk because Frank's a Marvel New York problem & not a Gotham problem. Bats knows 2 things about Marvel New York: it's a harder city that needs harder solutions, & Frank kills scum, not innocent people. Oh, maybe a 3rd thing:. Marvel NY has enough masks to take down Frank if he ever crosses that line.

@ValGOPLock

2 жыл бұрын

I like that quote

@Tywil714

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly if batman has such a problem aginst killing criminals and that everyone deserves a secound chance then he shouldnt be a vigilante he should have been a criminal defense lawyer

One of the Joker’s worst fears is being forgotten by everyone. So if the Punisher killed him, making his death meaningless, y’know what he’ll be remembered as? The weird clown that the Punisher killed.

@MILDMONSTER1234

Жыл бұрын

Finally someone who gets it

@jasontodd6604

Жыл бұрын

Legit

If Punisher ever met Red hood, I’m sure they’d get along great.

@user-db2lt3mk2c

Жыл бұрын

I'd like to see a story like that with hardcore assault on Blackgate and Arkham, and wiping out entire bat family (cause they're idiots and blood of all of Gotham supervillains's victims is on their hands).

@jasontodd6604

Жыл бұрын

Probably at first but not for long. Red hood doesn't kill because he has a urge to do so punisher does. Punisher likes killing it's his habitat. He looking for an excuse to kill. Red hood is actually trying to get rid of crime. If it were up to red hood he would love a crime free world. Punisher would HATE a crime free world cause he wouldn't have a reason to murder anyone.

@mr.bomzalo9563

Жыл бұрын

Best friends bro

@alayablack9104

Ай бұрын

​@@user-db2lt3mk2ctbf i dont think Jason would go after most of the bat fam, he sees alot of them as victims of Bruce, id hounestly say the only one besides Bruce hed go for would be damien out of annoyance

"Or maybe Arkham would suit you better." *Punisher proceeds to kill all Arkham inmates from the inside*

@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access

2 жыл бұрын

Batman, with his face in his hands: Okay. Okay. That one…that ones on me.

@BlazingOwnager

2 жыл бұрын

Whoever wrote this doesn't understand the Punisher and is clearly a Batman fan. Punisher wouldn't hate Gotham. He would LOVE Gotham. So many criminals, so little ammo.

@jefthereaper

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlazingOwnager Depends, both Marvel and DC do the whole multiverse thing, so there is no telling wherever this took place in the "prime" universe most story's take place, or this is supposedly some alternate dimension where Frank hates Gotham. Its basically their free ticket to excuse themselves for inconsistencies. (and I hate it, but it is what it is)

@Pastamist

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlazingOwnager Way I see it, he only hates Gotham because Batman is always there to stop him. It’s like dangling the most wonderous, bountiful bowl of cookies just above your reach, and someone yanking it back up when you reach for it.

@matthewclark6848

2 жыл бұрын

Everybody liked that :)

Crazy knows crazy. The Joker is insane but even he knows the Punisher is the kind of crazy you don't play with.

@jimmilton4543

2 жыл бұрын

Joker is super-sane

@yanigga8445

2 жыл бұрын

you know damn well the joker wouldn’t actually act like this. there’s a reason this shit is un canon

@jadonmileseee

2 жыл бұрын

@@yanigga8445 exactly he would welcome it even knowing punisher would kill him but he ALWAYS will do something out of the ordinary to make sure the person will suffer

@lynnpabontheelitehero6579

2 жыл бұрын

@@yanigga8445 exactly. The Joker is insane so he can't be reasoned with and fear wouldnt drive him to reason because he's insane.

@samuraiblack8840

2 жыл бұрын

Lol villains in Gotham kill thousands for fun and they all fear joker even if joker died there would b catastrophic events punisher is a joke and batman showed him why

The Joker always says that life is a joke and he wants to tell it to everyone. The Punisher has heard it before. He didn't laugh.

"I've got all the therapy you need right *here,* comedian!" Best line.

This makes sense. If Punisher kills him, Joker's just another criminal put down. If Bat or Superman do it, it's his final laugh at their fall. Same reason he lost his shit at that random guy trying to blow him up in the alleyway.

@assassinsknight

2 жыл бұрын

Joker’s issue is that he wants to matter. His movie and Arkham Knight perfectly captures that. If he gets kill by someone who kills people as a job or a nobody in an alley then people will forget about him.

@zillafire101

2 жыл бұрын

@@coolleonid It was an episode of TAS. Some guy who Joker tried to blackmail pretended to have a bomb and humiliated Joker once he isolated him.

@grimbruce154

2 жыл бұрын

nah it just like taking out the trash

@thegk-verse4216

2 жыл бұрын

I get why joker being put down by heroes could mess them up somehow (even thought I think it's bull), but people used to it ? What damages could joker's death make more than joker alive ?

@zillafire101

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegk-verse4216 In some comics, Batman believes he's just as messed up as those he deals with, so he worries if he kills, he'll like it too much and not stop. Superman is too much of a boy scout to kill people.

: "Or maybe ARKHAM would suit you better." : "That place with the revolving door?"

@MrNote-lz7lh

2 жыл бұрын

: I'd be out by the end of the day.

@MrNote-lz7lh

2 жыл бұрын

@@control4050 That it's a shallow threat.

@CHERIZATED

2 жыл бұрын

@@control4050 so joker takes a week right?

@piercemchugh4509

2 жыл бұрын

@@control4050 Why would Frank want to get out? He will be busy cleaning house.

@alpha-1redrighthand829

2 жыл бұрын

@@control4050 you sound like a fanboy sucking off dc really well. So honestly what makes you any different after all it is the writer/creator who makes things happen.

Joker: "I don't fear death." Punisher: "Good." Joker: "Wait wha--"

@jevonjackson4236

9 ай бұрын

Joker's Final Words Batman Save Me 🤔

Bruce is someone who doesn't buy into Joker's little performance art but refuses to let him win the argument Frank is someone who doesn't buy into Joker's little performance art and doesn't bother trying to win the argument

The whole reason Joker has so much fun with Batman, is because he knows Batman won't kill him. Punisher leaves a pile of bodies pretty much everywhere he goes.

@nathanalexandre9043

2 жыл бұрын

Not everywhere*

@zonatedspore97acamas

2 жыл бұрын

And the pile of bodies is of bad people.

@harpseal9234

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm just like joker xD

@phenix6056

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@Delgas01

2 жыл бұрын

Not exactly. This is a spoiler from the movie dark knight returns so whoever that doesn't want be warned. In the second part of the movie when batman kills the joker you can se he's happy with it, and you se him clearly happy, because he made batman cross the line he promissed he would never cross, to kill. The joker believes everyone can be corrupted, and one of his goals is make the umbreakable batman breaks. Of course, we have other interpretations of it, one of them simply being by the fact of batman being batman. Joker exists because of batman and he doesn't have fear to die, but just by bats hands. So I believe he was in fear just because he wouldn't feel he won, If he was killed by the hands of someone that isn't bats, the one he wants to make cross that line

joker's plot armor is so thicc you'd think he's the protagonist

@Moon_in_Flames

2 жыл бұрын

Whatever sells gets plot armour.

@RackedandStacked

2 жыл бұрын

he is if you look at him funny

@JorgeRamirez-dv5nn

2 жыл бұрын

I wish writers would stop pushing Batman's code on every piece of media. I respect that Batman won't kill, but it's getting a bit old seeing him deal with it every time and giving excuses when he is asked why he won't kill the joker.

@ViktorKruger99

2 жыл бұрын

@@JorgeRamirez-dv5nn but thats the appeal of batman he has a strict code that he will never break, batman is not a character anymore but a plot device. You know he will never turn evil I think the problem with batman is that, you can only watch him catch the joker so many times before it gets old

@wicq2586

2 жыл бұрын

@@ViktorKruger99 yeah, pretty boring plot device, honestly because his main armour most of the time is plot

The Punisher is absolutely correct; "You and that giggling idiot deserve each other." How many people has the Joker killed because of Batman's so-called morality? Not that Batman should kill like the Punisher, but Joker should be the ultimate exception.

@zeddwulfen7737

2 жыл бұрын

Never mind that the Gotham justice system does fuck all to the Joker every time they actually have him incarcerated. Execute the son of a bitch for all the people he has killed, it's a simple fucking concept.

@FalangeRevolutionary986

2 жыл бұрын

@@zeddwulfen7737 For plot reasons, they can't.

@mirceazaharia2094

2 жыл бұрын

They are two sides of the same coin, Joker and Batman. They're both crazy in their own way. Joker broke and decided that nothing mattered anymore and that anyone could become like him, given the proper "stimuli". Whereas Batman got stuck in the mindset of a traumatised child, in a sense. Putting on a mask and costume, dressing like some kind of masked hero, getting super-human training and building gadgets and vehicles in a secret base beneath your dead parents' home and going out at night to beat up bad guys, that is the solution a child would pick to make the world a better place, and to stop anyone from going through the same pain. A traumatised child with incredible will, genius intellect, multi-billion dollar fortune, but a child nonetheless. He's been doing some good, but it shows that he's traumatised AND childish for refusing to admit that some traumatised people turn into incurable monsters, and the only cure for them is death. Batman is refusing to take responsibility for the Joker's murderous, incurable insanity, refusing to kill him or allow him to die and thus save hundreds of potential innocent future victims, because that means directly staining his hands with blood, doing the same thing that caused his parents' deaths. He also fervently believes that the Joker can be cured, if only so that he can believe that he, himself, perhaps could find peace one day. That has been my psychological analysis of Batman and the Joker, thank you all for coming to my TED Talk.

@FalangeRevolutionary986

2 жыл бұрын

@@mirceazaharia2094 Could they beat Goku tho?

@lexecomplexe4083

Жыл бұрын

@@mirceazaharia2094 read Batman White Knight

The real problem here isn’t Batman. He’s put Joker in a cell countless times, I’m more shocked that the state themselves hasn’t executed Joker.

@chrisnichols9014

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Batman brings the criminals in. The law needs to keep them confined or straight up execute them. They're the real problem here.

@GreaterGrievobeast55

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I keep saying!

@immortalfrieza

Жыл бұрын

@@GreaterGrievobeast55 Even if Gotham was in a hardcore "No Death Penalty" state I think they'd make exception for the Joker. In fact, considering all he's done the Joker would be considered a federal, even international terrorist and would be executed by the U.S. government or the U.N.

@skellybonz5467

Жыл бұрын

in reality i bet a random cop with a pistol would kill joker and not the state. any guard would not find it hard to pull the trigger if it means joker dies.

@blacklivesorblackvotes2985

Жыл бұрын

Batman’s part of the problem.

Punshier if he got locked in Arkham: "I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me!" *Proceeds to beat every inmate to death with his bare hands and still somehow escapes because Arkham is fucking incompetent*

@CatMaster90001

2 жыл бұрын

That's a Rorschach quote, actually... but it really would fit the Punisher quite well.

@ORIGINALFBI

2 жыл бұрын

@@CatMaster90001 oh I know

@ORIGINALFBI

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrAsaqe They threaten peoples lives when Batman has to go in. Frank will find a way.

@MrAsaqe

2 жыл бұрын

@@ORIGINALFBI The problem is someone would probably make some kind of empathy collar that shocks the victim if Frank inflicts any pain on the other guy that wants to pummel Frank. They won't let him die so easily. But they will make him choose, kill them and the hostage dies, hurt them and the hostage gets hurt

@LaloSalamancaGaming69

2 жыл бұрын

Arkham maybe doesn’t even have a door 😂

Ironic the man who lives to make everyone have that one day. Fears a man who truely had one

@sptflcrw8583

2 жыл бұрын

It’s bullshit

@micahwatson7652

2 жыл бұрын

@@sptflcrw8583 No. It's poetic justice.

@sptflcrw8583

2 жыл бұрын

@@micahwatson7652 not really, it’s very out of character. He’s not afraid of death.

@micahwatson7652

2 жыл бұрын

@@sptflcrw8583 The Joker is okay with dying as long as it's done by Batman. Being killed by another grim hero who had one bad day like his arch nemesis but isn't afraid to spill any blood frightens The Joker because he's all too well that Frank Castle has nothing left to lose and has already crossed the line of no return.

@desisparta

2 жыл бұрын

For people who don’t get the context, the “one bad day” quote originally came from the punisher comic and later the killing joke comic adopted that quote.

The joker doesn't fear death, but he DOES fear a meaningless demise.

@jgrAnimations23

Жыл бұрын

He wants Batman to kill him not just any rando he wants Batman to be the one to pull the trigger

@themanwhocantbemovedbyatru1988

Жыл бұрын

​@@jgrAnimations23 nah, the kind of people that he wants to take his life is someone that will remember it for the rest of their life. People like Batman or Superman. He's afraid of Punisher because for Punisher, he's just a statistic that he removed and won't remember. Joker hates being forgotten by people. He's the ultimate narcissist.

I’m not a Batman fan but I’d pay good money to see a story where footage of Batman saving the jokers life and letting him get away gets leaked to the media. That’d be an awesome story where Gotham and other iconic cities get completely divided on this choice putting Batman’s efforts completely under question to every person he’s sworn to protect.

@Rylosalex

Жыл бұрын

That would be fantastic. Real newspaper articles could be featured along with colored photos of the Joker, a couple of his victims, Batman and the Punisher. I love it!!

@Bubonic32

Жыл бұрын

I’d pay to see this.

@alexwyckoff8962

Жыл бұрын

I'd love the Punisher to still be in that storyline, and Batman saves Joker from him. Imagine the frenzy as the public and media debate "Batman or Punisher: Which is right for Gotham City?"

@Bubonic32

Жыл бұрын

@@alexwyckoff8962 YES!!!!

@user-kq5ci7ol8o

Жыл бұрын

@@alexwyckoff8962 I mean, the Red Hood sort of does this, with Red Hood killing criminals, taking over criminal empires so that there are no empty power positions that others would take over and use to do more damage with, and it is kind of debated whether or not Red Hood or Batman is better for Gotham, but I do feel they could have pushed the envelope MUCH more if they had Red Hood reveal footage of Batman saving villains like Joker, Bane, Two-face, Penguin etc, and then have him say "And then they went on to kill 50 people next week" and see the people's reaction to it

Imagine a security camera picking up Batman saving the joker's life. Imagine the families of the people joker killed seeing the guy who's supposed to stop him, risk his own life to save him. That would be worse than Batman killing him himself

@blademadlabs2423

2 жыл бұрын

So Batman should stand by while some gun toting nut kills someone, anyone? “That cop who stopped that other cop from shooting that drug dealer in the face is responsible for the guy the drug dealer shot when he got out.” See how fucking stupid that line of logic sounds when you aren’t applying it to mask wearing wackos?

@samuellanghus1455

2 жыл бұрын

@@blademadlabs2423 Degrees of magnitude, my dude. Drug-running is not _quite_ the same as serial murder in the triple digits. Mild discrepancy, I know.

@blademadlabs2423

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuellanghus1455 public defenders killing people they can otherwise capture is either always okay or it’s never okay. Putting the choice over life and death in their hands is a huge reason for the point of contention in discourse on the police. Next Batman is not a police officer, he would legally be just a murderer if he kills any of his villains, on top of the legal issues of being a vigilante. If we allow and permit morally for anyone to end the life of another purely because they feel it is justified, rather than putting them through our justice system, then we abandon a core part of what makes us a civilized society.

@samuellanghus1455

2 жыл бұрын

@@blademadlabs2423 Again. Non-violent drug offenders who escape from prison do not warrant a level of extreme prejudice associated with serial murderers who have repeatedly done the same. The Joker has killed police officers in a variety of ways, and I doubt anyone would seriously disagree with lethal force in most scenarios of coming toe to toe with Joker being warranted. But, because comic book logic exists, Joker is never _really_ on the run from the government unless the writers make it so. As it stands, he’s essentially a domestic terrorist that would be targeted by the local, state _and_ federal government so hard that he would consider Fear Toxin a pipe dream.

@michaelcarney4220

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuellanghus1455 quadruple to quintuple digits. Joker would have killed more people than 9/11 by a long shot. If I was bats, I would've blown his brains in an alley past murder number 5. At that point I would say he was completely irredeemable, insane or not.

"I've got all the therapy you need right here, comedian." Joker: "wrong comic book character, sir."

@Hk-ox4bb

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t get it

@drivanradosivic1357

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hk-ox4bb Watchmen reference.

@Hk-ox4bb

2 жыл бұрын

@@drivanradosivic1357 thx

@kraigshall

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong comic...." *BANG*

@charlesn898

2 жыл бұрын

Or was it?🤔

I love that Batman/Punisher is a thing. To me, they represent two wrong answers to the question "Do criminals need to die?" Batman refuses to kill, which leads to continuous and even increased crime in some cases, actively encouraging the truly incorrigible villains like the Joker who knows that with Batman, he'll always get another chance. The Punisher is on the other side of that spectrum, seeing death as the only true, lasting solution to crime. No chance to make amends, no chance to be reformed. Death is the one sentence that can't be overturned, and the Punisher deals it without pity or remorse.

@killiancraftofcraftyworks975

Жыл бұрын

I like this thought

@cliffheggins9433

Жыл бұрын

@@killiancraftofcraftyworks975 punisher and red hood could be friends

@hawke7471

Жыл бұрын

Red Hood would probably try to take down Punisher too, if only because Castle goes farther than even him. Jason's more in the middle, willing to kill monsters like Pyg and Joker but incarcerate others like Mr. Freeze or Polka Dot Man.

@DaBobbyShurmda

Жыл бұрын

I think punisher’s got it right tho

@emmioglukant

Жыл бұрын

Mercy and Justice. A society cannot operate with too much of one or without the other

Getting Batman to lose control and kill him is The Joker's ultimate dream. Getting killed and discarded like the rest of the filth by The Punisher is The Joker's ultimate nightmare.

Fun fact: The punisher was capable of withstanding the ghost rider's penance stare

@chrisredeo4847

2 жыл бұрын

That man felt no guilt about all the people he murdered,that just shows you frank castle built different 🤣🤣

@MrStrikecentral

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisredeo4847 It's not about guilt over their deaths. It's about the blood of the innocent. Frank Castle has no innocent blood on his hands. There's enough blood to flood the grand canyon on his hands, but none of it is innocent. They were all guilty, they deserved to be punished. Spawn would get along quite well with Castle.

@ashwanthss5042

2 жыл бұрын

And Punisher became cosmic ghost rider

@sanstheskeleton9965

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrStrikecentral Kay edgelord

@marcusgabriel8365

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrStrikecentral frank castle is one of the only true heroes with common sense

Smh. When you cross universes just to tell Batman he sucks at his job.

@Deconstruction_Administrator

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't that EVERY Marvel‐DC crossover involving Batman?

@Videohead-eq5cy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Deconstruction_Administrator well, DC started with Batman. The name is literally Detective Comics, the Detective is Batman

@Psycho-th8vb

2 жыл бұрын

@@Videohead-eq5cy where TF did you get that idea?? And batman is not only detective in DC there's Superman, Lois, Lex, Steel, Red Robin, Question

@alcapone4635

2 жыл бұрын

@@Psycho-th8vb well to be fair, DC did start with Batman. Superman was Action Comics, Batman was Detective Comics. Then Detective Comics was shortened to DC and Superman became DC.

@Psycho-th8vb

2 жыл бұрын

@@alcapone4635 what are talking about??? Superman was already DC and was the first DC character ever created. Plus there's no proof that the meaning of DC is detective comics

Only Batman would aid in the escape of an omnicidal maniac and think he's got the moral highground.

"Lost a lot of blood. No problem." is probably the most Punisher thing i've ever heard, seen or read.

"You really going to do it" - This the first time I saw Joker shits himself.

@aaronbrooks1020

2 жыл бұрын

Me Too! I LITERALLY Thought When He Said That He Knew Frank Was Not Playing Around With Him. You Don't Want That Type Of Smoke From Frank Castle, This Man Is A MARINE WAR KILLING MACHINE Who's Life Is So Lost After He Lost His Family By That Mob Hit At The Park In NY. Joker Said To Castle "You Kill For Hate" and Tells Him He Kills Because he Love It" That Motto Gave Me Chills Down My Spine.💯🙌🏾😲😨😬🔥🔥

People are saying Punisher is crazy, but the thing is, he's like the MOST sane anti-hero. He know evil, and unlike the legal system that has too much red tape, he does exactly what a good guy should. Take down evil. He is like one of the best examples of a good guy using a gun to stop all the bad guys. He doesn't kill, he doesn't mane. It's not revenge nor justice; he punishes.

@MILDMONSTER1234

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, read punisher max Hes not in it to punish criminals...he just likes killing people. And his punisher gig is just an excuse to kill more people....

@donellebullock7404

2 жыл бұрын

@@MILDMONSTER1234 In the main 616 continuity, he is a vigilant. If he "just wanted to kill", Then why only go after criminals since either way is is one himself under NY law? He only kills those whom prey on the innocent, hardly a cold-blooded murderer.

@HellishSpoon

2 жыл бұрын

depends on the version of punisher the original punisher was a villain in Spider-man who killed people because he enjoyed it but only targeted criminals to justify his actions thing about punisher is that he doesn't care whats fair he doesn't arrest criminals he kills them even if it was a petty theft.

@MrPr1nglz

2 жыл бұрын

If you devolve yourself to act like the criminals you kill, can you really call it Justice? At the end of the day, its just one violent maniac killing another.

@MILDMONSTER1234

2 жыл бұрын

@@donellebullock7404 This is why i vastly prefer when punishers reason to kill is more ambiguious and up for debate as opposed to a clean cut answer. It makes him way more interesting

"This may be your solution on your turf, but in Gotham we do things a little differently!" Yeah Batman, you're right! You let countless people die by not killing the Joker and you destroy half the city fighting him and indirectly get people killed yourself, but hey, better not kill the Joker because that would be BAAAAD!

@tonkatsuryu4755

2 жыл бұрын

Just like Daredevil vs Punisher. Daredevil have a code to not kill and they had the exact same argument.

@DoctahToboggan69

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonkatsuryu4755 it's just awful and it's just very convenient plot armor to keep the same stupid story happening over and over and over again.

@carolusrex5213

2 жыл бұрын

@@DoctahToboggan69 not really, if I remember right Daredevil is a Christian and a devote one at that so the idea of killing is the very very last thing to him. Batman is a little different, Batman has described himself as being mentally unstable, he doesn't protect the joker from being killed because he wants the game to go on, he does it because he thinks seeing him dead would only justify himself or another hero to just kill any criminal. People are saying Frank's a hero when in reality he isn't always that. In some cases he will kill a pettie criminal, a thief who stole a ring? Punisher would put a bullet in his skull, because the Punisher enjoys it. Both him and Batman prove each others point. To Punisher Batman let's crime continue and more innocent be hurt, while to Batman the Punisher proves that you can come to enjoy the killing and that it makes you a monster.

@ConeTheBoss559

2 жыл бұрын

@@DoctahToboggan69 I mean isn't there a comic where batman actually did kill and basically became almost like the joker with how big of a maniac he became? Could it be that he prevents himself from doing it because if he did he'd just go crazy killing anyone who stands in his way, like much much more brutal than the punisher

@callmejacob3234

2 жыл бұрын

I mean Batman has killed Joker countless times he just keeps coming back I mean have you heard of The Batman Who Laughs his kill count is a lot larger than Punisher's

At this point, Batman is Gay for Joker, like if Joker Massacred Batman's Entire Family Batman could care less 💀

@obolstudios5154

16 күн бұрын

Gayman💀

Y'know why Bats has a bigger rogue's gallery than Frank does? Because Frank keeps killing his.

@nicholashernandez4611

2 жыл бұрын

Also why Castle travels so much, he even ‘handles’ the villains of other heroes.

@frankcastle4715

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@mfirdanhb

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicholashernandez4611 i mean the man gotta have some bucks on his safes y'know bounty hunter stuff

@notenoughgarlic

2 жыл бұрын

It’s unfortunate for sales though. Like I love Punisher, but notice how he doesn’t really sell much or show up anymore? Killing all your enemies is the realistic solution, but it won’t sell a never ending franchise, which is what DC and Marvel are.

@its_sisha_not_chair505

2 жыл бұрын

@@notenoughgarlic Punisher should have an enemy with the power of coming back to life + the power to create guns or something, so Punisher has a nemesis who... will last a little bit longer

0:41-0:57 Not gonna lie, Joker's deduction of the difference between Bruce and Frank's origins, makes sense. 8 yr old Bruce grew into an emulation of the hero he watched that fateful night. Frank Castle, father and husband, relapse into a soldier wagging war against the enemy.

@RaptorJesus

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad someone else got it. I'd argue that Joker even sees a kindred spirit in Castle. Their *one bad day* just left them on opposite sides of the coin.

@damienofthedamned

2 жыл бұрын

@@RaptorJesus Who better to recognize a bad day, than the Joker?

@matthewcaughey8898

2 жыл бұрын

Castle knows that in a war your out to kill the enemy. Criminals are his enemy, he knows enough to know you don’t let the enemy live in a war

@stevencoates3382

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing! Joker may be crazy, but he's not stupid; being sociopathic, he'd have a sixth sense for such things...makes it easier to get into his enemies heads!!!

@boxtank5288

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevencoates3382 He just would have no way to DIRECTLY manipulate Castle

The logic of a cold hearted marine vs the Naive ideals of a vigilante. Castle is much smarter.

And just like that, Batman put many more lives in danger… by telling Joker to run.

Batman: "Maybe AKRAM would suit you better!" Punisher: "... you're right. Take me in." *24 hours later every Batman villain in Arkham is dead*

@eren34558

2 жыл бұрын

And batman mourns their deaths

@thefilthycasual6402

2 жыл бұрын

@@newhybrid101 Not really only Joker (technically) and Bane are a direct result of Batman

@MrDibara

2 жыл бұрын

*>DOOM music intensifies

@InitialPC

2 жыл бұрын

@@thefilthycasual6402 I disagree with Bane, Bane was already an established figure before Batman, the closest to it being Batman's fault is that the only reason he came to Gotham was just to challenge the infamous Batman. I can see it with Joker, but as you said its technical.

@simonnyman9661

2 жыл бұрын

And in the end that would be the true death of Batman since we as readers would'nt have anything to look forward to, since all the villains are dead.

Red Hood would be so damn happy if Joker ate that bullet.

@BadassHater1

2 жыл бұрын

I think Red Hood and Frank would've become best friends.

@firestorm165

2 жыл бұрын

@@BadassHater1 nah first they'd argue over a shared target, then fight for a bit, compromise by splitting up the north/south of Gotham then have a healthy competition whoever kills the most thugs wins. Then they'd become buds

@fangsabre

2 жыл бұрын

Jason Todd: sees Frank Castle slaughter most of a gang and cap the Joker in the head "Hey man you need a sidekick or something? I've got a resume"

@purpleemerald5299

2 жыл бұрын

Jason: “Are…are you my REAL father?”

@benzelwasington4059

2 жыл бұрын

Frank to redhood after They team up talking about batman He may had Been your father boy but he sure as hell isent xour daddy

"I've got all the therapy you need right here comedian" that line made me laugh 😂😂

@gabrielluzlopes5674

Ай бұрын

Now THAT'S a good joke 😂😂😂

Arkham isn’t really a punishment when you consider how notoriously inept their security is. You would think having to constantly chase down the Joker would have destroyed what was left of Batman’s confidence in that place being able to fulfill its intended purpose.

@BlazingOwnager

2 жыл бұрын

They're overcrowded. If you put the Punisher in there, that won't be an issue anymore.

@henry-bl3wr

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlazingOwnager i heard punisher is part of the solution not the problem 👍😎

@sylvestersilverhand5187

2 жыл бұрын

Batman is insane

@BadassHater1

2 жыл бұрын

And i think putting Frank there is going to solve Gotham's sky-high criminal rate problem pretty fast. As in there won't be any outbreaks from Arkham because there won't be anyone alive CAPABLE of said outbreaks.

@Qardo

2 жыл бұрын

Arkham isn't even a Prison. It is an insane asylum. It is a hospital for nutjobs. Blackwater Prison is the real big house. And back in the old days. Much of Batman's Rogue Gallery ended up in Blackwater. Though after Arkham was modified into prison for the insane. Much of those villains ended up there. Though Arkham hardly gets a budget it needs to even maintain the place properly. Though, of course, Batman could invest in the island. Yet he has to maintain s public face. And Bruce Wayne seemingly investing millions into an insane asylum. Well, it gathers a lot of bad press and people doing a lot of talking. Which would end up having nosy reporters trying to stick their noses into Bruce Wayne's life and dig up something. Even to make it up. Really. Punisher would have a bit of a field day in Arkham. Though he would have to be a bit creative with some of the PATIENTS inside. But Punisher has been known to be extremely creative and crafty on his methods of killing a criminal. Even if one moment he spent a few hours throwing a bitch up against a window in a high-rise. Claiming: the window would break sooner or later. And really she kind of did deserve her fate. Or that time he punched a bear to piss it off. All so said bear would maul a thug. Or that time he did wet jobs for Hydra during Secret Empire event. As Hydra controlled the US Government and he kind of agreed with their methods on dealing with criminals. Yeah...Punisher was not well liked after that event ended and Hydra was defeated. In other words. The Punisher is all about Gender Equality of Justice.

As Joker retreats...he offs someone to make himself feel better. But, before he offs his victim he says, "Oh, don't look so sad, this is courtesy of good'ol Batman! He actually let me go AGIAN! HA HA HA HA!" **BLAM**

@thehorse5307

2 жыл бұрын

@The Krimson Kommando Yeah honestly this is the only part of Batman that I will never be down with. There is no good reason for the Joker being allowed to live. Any reasonable court of Justice would understand that even if he is insane, he's far too independent and malicious to be kept alive in the hopes of curing him. The Joker simply needs to die.

@Lego_Bespin_Guard

2 жыл бұрын

@@thehorse5307 It makes me question if Gotham has a death penalty or not. Fry joker instead of putting him in blackgate or arkham.

@InitialPC

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lego_Bespin_Guard In one arc Joker is accused of distributing poisoned cards which kill people in states that have the death penalty and Batman becomes Joker's lawyer to get him off death row (Joker actually didn't do it). So since Joker was put on death row even though he is insane in the DC universe, it makes me think Gotham really does not have it.

@logiaedits3618

2 жыл бұрын

My ears are burning

@BadassHater1

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair we are talking about a guy who runs around Gotham in a bat-spandex all the time. Not to mention treating every single orphan as a new Robin right after the previous one either leaves or dies. Yeah - he's cuckoo-for-cocoa-puffs 100%

Punisher is what Gotham needs

Batman has murdered countless innocent lives by letting joker live, if anything its batman who should be in arkham, because he's crazy if he thinks he's not responsible for everyone who he's killed.

“You and that giggling maniac deserve each other” honestly he’s right Batman deserves it for not taking out the joker like an idiot

@tommasobergamaschi4277

Жыл бұрын

Yes exactly, irl the joker would have died a long time ago but he's too popular for the writers to let him die lol

@ryszakowy

Жыл бұрын

that's the comic problem every media trying to imitate real life in at least a little bit would have joker in 3 scenarios not necessarily after one another 1. joker does the crazy and batman puts him in arkham 2. joker escapes from arkham or worse - is "rehabilitated" this could be as both, joker seems good to let go and then does more crazy landing there again but escapes 3. joker is put in blackgate - nobody believes his bullshit anymore 4. joker escapes blackgate and this time after bat delivers beaten clown he's put right on electric chair the end

See, Joker needs Batman to kill him cos Batman will actually care. He’ll live in infamy in Batman’s mind. Might even get a nice funeral. But the end point is, he’ll have won, and he’ll be forever remembered as Batman’s greatest rival. But Castle? Castle literally can’t give a f*ck. Joker realized this and it nearly made him sh*t himself. Cos he realized that to Castle, Joker isn’t the heavyweight criminal mastermind that he is to Batman. To Castle, Jokers just another psycho lowlife who’s about to catch a bullet to the face. He won’t even bother to remember his name after his body hits the ground.

@LaloSalamancaGaming69

2 жыл бұрын

Thats why punisher is superior,he doesn’t let live criminals like the clown

@sptflcrw8583

2 жыл бұрын

Joker doesn’t give a shit about death. Besides, he’d play Castle like a fool

@henry-bl3wr

2 жыл бұрын

In batman's 90 year publication history the dark knights were more interesting then og batman i wonder what the bat family will do to him if they find out that he knew jokers real name from day one

@Raximus3000

2 жыл бұрын

It is also what the Punisher is, all serious he is the antithesis to the Joker. I think that lack of fun and games is what scared him most, the death of comedy.

@totalcodehero

2 жыл бұрын

@@sptflcrw8583 You're right, he doesn't, only as long as one of the heroes do it. Why do you think he laughed when Superman killed him in Injustice? Because in the end, he won, he broke Superman, made him kill, and we all know what happened after that. But with the Punisher, it's different. Punisher literally doesn't give a damn, to him, Joker is just another psychopath ready to be put down. Joker knows this because crazy knows crazy, and the fact that Punisher already had his One Bad Day that wasn't caused by the Joker himself; so he know he won't go to Arkham and get out again because he will be dead and won't be shit in Frank's head.

If Joker existed in the Marvel universe, he would simply _stop_ existing.

@Sub-Zero100

Жыл бұрын

Carnage exists. Nobody still killed him

@jaxsonevans9673

Жыл бұрын

@@Sub-Zero100 Sentry and Venom has killed Carnage before.

@jaxsonevans9673

Жыл бұрын

@@Sub-Zero100 Like bro Carnage has died before.

@__JASON__.

Жыл бұрын

Sabretooth would gut Joker alive . Doc Ock would pull Joker apart limb by limb literally. Blade would brutalize Joker and cut his head off. So many brutal deaths waiting for him and the Clown would not make it in the marvel universe.

Ya know youve fucked up when even batman says *Run for ya damn life*

Joker knows when he sees someone with a code, Batman doesn't kill. Punisher kills everything.

@nathanalexandre9043

2 жыл бұрын

Tries to*

@smk3390

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathanalexandre9043 true

@zonatedspore97acamas

2 жыл бұрын

Punisher kills only bad people.

@smk3390

2 жыл бұрын

@@zonatedspore97acamas True but he still kills them.

@zonatedspore97acamas

2 жыл бұрын

@@smk3390 which is a good thing.

So let me get this straight Batman. You stopped the Punisher from killing the Joker, a pyschopath who has killed countless people (Oh and the Joker thinks it's funny when he kills people). He's crippled Batgirl, murdered Jason Todd who was a child and has also broken out of Arkham Asylum everytime he is sent there. You're not only stopping the Punisher for doing the most sane thing possible, you told the Joker to run. Yup, let the Joker run away, surely he's not gonna kill anyone on the way. The icing on the cake is that you threatened Punisher you would put him in a cell in Blackgate if he showed up in Gotham again... YuP, ThAt sEeMs tOtAlLy LoGicAl!

@kysoneilers4892

2 жыл бұрын

Batman is lucky he didn't throw the punisher in arkham, or bats would be unneeded in gotham😂

@abstraction6212

2 жыл бұрын

Definition of enabler

@charleschiemekaekeogu6908

Жыл бұрын

Batman is the Jokers enabler and protector, every innocent blood that the Joker took is also on Batman.

@abstraction6212

Жыл бұрын

@@charleschiemekaekeogu6908 I do wish we'd get a Batman story where Batman gets rid of joker and is done with that abusive relationship for good. Batman stories may not be as interesting but at least there's a lot less extreme degeneracy being enabled in gotham

@deluca333

Жыл бұрын

@@kysoneilers4892 C-list like mad hatter or riddler would probably beat him.

I know most people would say punisher and red hood would make a good team, but I think a team up between punisher and peacemaker would be terrifying due to how eerily similar both characters are when it comes to their background and motivations

@dhlhthriwdhskissos9606

10 ай бұрын

Or the punisher and max Payne. They even have similar backstories

"People died? Who cares? My funny code thing said otherwise lol" -Batman, probably.

Frank is right, Batman and Joker really do deserve each other.

It's honestly amazing the excuses Batman will find to keep the Joker alive I get that Batman's no killing code is an important aspect of his character, but he's allowing a mass murder to run around basically at will and does not seem to care about stopping him. This man has murdered at least one Robin, crippled Barbara Gordon, and in the Injustice Universe nuked Metropolis off the map. But even in that universe, when Joker pushes Superman too far and dies by his hands, Batman seems to be more concerned with the Joker dying then the fact that he nuked a city off the face of the Earth. This forms the wedge between the two and keeps Bruce from helping Superman as he falls deeper to the abyss. This comic highlights the issue with Batman letting the Joker live. Punisher could have made Gotham a better place to live by putting a bullet in Joker's head. I doubt anyone would have been too upset with the Joker dying. But Batman not only saves the Joker, he lets him escape! Honestly, what the hell Batman? Everyone is right, all the blood of the people Joker has murdered is on Bruce's hands.

@scrapper3494

2 жыл бұрын

"I doubt anyone would have been too upset with the Joker dying." There's a meme out on the internet that says, "Anyone who shoots the Joker is acting in self-defence. Even if you shoot him with a sniper rifle from half a mile away, it's still self-defence."

@georgejoestarii9469

2 жыл бұрын

Omni Man, New 52 Sups, Kratos, Frank Castle 616: N O . 😠😠

@RaptorJesus

2 жыл бұрын

I think you misunderstand Batman's "rule". It isn't a *rule*. It's *psychosis*. Batman was so traumatized by the death of his parents that he does everything in his power to prevent it from happening to *anyone*. That's the tragedy, I'd argue. He is horrified by the very idea of death.

@MrJinglejanglejingle

2 жыл бұрын

@@SageMage_ Its not murder to kill a serial killer. Its self-defence. I doubt any court in the entire DC universe would be able to properly convict someone of outright gunning The Joker down in the street like the animal he is.

@rojaedavis8367

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly though, why should Batman be held responsible? He already did his job by taking Joker down. If anything, the fault lies more with Gotham's court system. I mean after all the crap Joker done and they somehow still haven't put him on Death Row?

What makes this even worse for Batman is that crime is happening in Gotham *constantly*. People being robbed, assaulted, and killed or raped. Kids being kidnapped or killed. Yet in Batman's mind his time protecting the Joker from the Punisher was more important than an innocent person being saved that night. The Punisher didn't need to pursue the Joker, but Batman didn't need to go out of his way to protect the Joker while other people are suffering far, far more. In the end, the Punisher comes out looking like a more heroic figure than Batman, and that should say something.

@rashadagayev3228

Жыл бұрын

Punisher killed way more people than Joker as I recall

@robertw1800

Жыл бұрын

@@rashadagayev3228 At least he kills the correct people. Still doesn't justify Batman wasting his time trying to save the Joker.

@rashadagayev3228

Жыл бұрын

@@robertw1800 There are no good or bad people. You think right people will be ally for you

@robertw1800

Жыл бұрын

@@rashadagayev3228 I would never go out of my way to save Hitler or Stalin. There are evil people in this world, and people like you who refuse such notions is why evil men can do evil things.

I love that Joker didn't truly realize the danger; wasn't legitamitely afraid, until Batman told him to run. THAT dropped his world out from under him.

The fact that him doing the most slapstick thing ever by slipping on a banana peel leading to a brief moment of sanity is so ironic I love it

So everyone Joker kills, their blood is on Batman’s hands. Batman killed them by not killing Joker.

@oliverrasmusson2362

2 жыл бұрын

That makes zero sense out of context

@jockeyfield1954

2 жыл бұрын

@@oliverrasmusson2362 then why did batman say it himself? "of all the people i murdered by letting you live!" "i never kept count..." "i did!"

@oliverrasmusson2362

2 жыл бұрын

@@seandeans1279 ” out of context”. do you know what that means?

@joshuaflores5741

2 жыл бұрын

@@oliverrasmusson2362 get outta here!

@oliverrasmusson2362

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuaflores5741 ?

Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent, and Batman is nothing but a self-righteous enabler.

@DeathstroketheTerminator1

Жыл бұрын

People say Batman and Superman. We say Punisher and Lobo ultra violent characters

Locking the Punisher in Blackgate or Arkham would be like locking a fat kid in a candy store.

@obolstudios5154

2 ай бұрын

Or a starving dog among a lot of rats.

Shaking my head at Batman. He tells the Joker to run for his life...only so the Joker can go and murder untold number of innocent lives. Had he just stood back and watched, the Punisher could've ended that nightmare for many. The Punisher is far more sane than both Batman and Joker, hence, "you and that giggling idiot deserve each other..." because the madness of Frank Castle is too sane for the madness of Gotham, which is also a madness that is protected by Batman. This story is insanity on every level, but hero is the most insane of them all.

@oliverrasmusson2362

2 жыл бұрын

Not canon. He probably would have watched him do it in the Main continuity.

@LaloSalamancaGaming69

2 жыл бұрын

@@oliverrasmusson2362 i guess thats a good point

@Thedarkknight749

2 жыл бұрын

Well said!

@GhidorahFan64

2 жыл бұрын

Joker is worse than punisher .

@stephencoloma1778

2 жыл бұрын

@@oliverrasmusson2362 I doubt it, he stops red hood from killing criminals

Batman is damn near as guilty as the joker for the people he killed

@eren34558

2 жыл бұрын

Just the joker?

@coolest1seven814

2 жыл бұрын

Not really batman is an ordinary citizen trying to help out . Its the governments fault they should have put joker in a super max or executed him but now.

@stickmanx1418

2 жыл бұрын

@@coolest1seven814 Batman is a rich sadist that gets his rocks off beating up criminals.

@Artistofprocedure

2 жыл бұрын

@@coolest1seven814 a citizen abiding a criminal

@nathanielgarza9198

2 жыл бұрын

Batman is the hero the cities need not the one it deserves. At the end of the day Batman is just a rich kook unhealthily dealing with his trauma, the premise that a large metropolitan area even needs the type of guy so badly is itself ridiculous. If we really want to split hairs it’s the entire governing party’s fault for not just the body count of the Joker, but of every costume freak that shows up each Tuesday. Batman is just ineffectively helping, and that itself is overkill

Joker and punisher is a meeting I didn’t know I needed

@Sub-Zero100

Жыл бұрын

Deathstroke and Taskmaster vs Batman and Moon Knight would be cool

@WoooodZz2688

Жыл бұрын

@@Sub-Zero100 moonknight n Batman wouldn’t work together but it would be

As much as I love the duality between Batman and Joker, him saving Joker is literally what I can't stand by with his character. I would've let Joker catch the first bullet that came his way. He's obviously beyond help.

@D-class9341

Жыл бұрын

That's the point batman has even admitted that he could've stopped all crime in Gotham or at least 99% if he killed. He knows he's a hypocrite who forces his ideals on others. Because batman is just as insane as his colorful rouges gallery. And he knows it.

Now that I think about it, a good amount of heroes from Marvel would probably kill Joker, especially if they heard and know the shit he's done. It wouldn't surprise me if even Spider-man of all people killed him

@user-cr4cj1fl8z

2 жыл бұрын

idk about spidey but yeah pretty much most of the marvel heroes would of killed Joker no doubts. There are a number of DC`s heroes who also would kill. And infact the whole non kill idea is BS since we see them kill aliens and everyone else who isnt human with no regrets.

@firestorm165

2 жыл бұрын

Spider man or captain America I sincerely doubt would do it but everyone else I can see either considering it, doing it themselves or give him to the Hulk to play with.

@dariusbrock2713

2 жыл бұрын

@@firestorm165 spider-man would consider if hes pushed to the edge but lol they can just put him in the Raft or Ravencroft asylum cause theyre both more secure than that 5star hotel with a revolving door called arkham asylum

@Venom-rr1vg

2 жыл бұрын

Spider-Man would not hesitate to kill him if joker murdered mary jane or aunt may, he has been pushed to his edge a couple times

@cartelcourse9939

2 жыл бұрын

Joker the manifestation of the pure evil and insanity in all of us, he's not afraid to die cuz another will rise and take his place

Joker is only milked because he sells other wise he would have been buried 6 feet under the ground.

@bowman9778

2 жыл бұрын

Punisher would kill him too if he was in the DC Universe

@musashi5167

2 жыл бұрын

You can say that about a lot of comic book characters

@ghostofdeath7388

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine if the Joker met Kenshiro....

@miguelmigs8520

2 жыл бұрын

you can also say that to tony that hes too popular ghat every mercenries in the world knows him yet hes still survive that last ironman movie but looses his girl 😧

@TK42100

2 жыл бұрын

“Y’know, this reminds me of a jo-“ “ATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATA“

This scene perfectly hi-lites Batman's own insanity. He beats criminals to a pulp, locks them up in a corrupt Asylum that HE KNOWS is involved in human torture & experimentation, but has more security holes than a cheese grater. It's like he WAITS for someone to escape Arkham, because it gives him a reason to keep getting suited-up and run out and find the escapee, solve their crimes, find & beat them again... then lock them back up in their cell (with the keys hanging right outside the door) like on the Andy Griffith show LOL. Andy = (Whenever you're sober and have learned your lesson... You can just go ahead and let yourself out!) LMAooo.. 😂😂😂 ... Wow, who knew that "Sheriff Taylor" was Batman?!?! I mean yeah - batman is a REALLY cool character, but his methodology is WORTHLESS!!! There is NO CURE FOR CRAZY, which means all his enemies should have been either put on "Death Row" or "made to disappear" - long ago... Just like the punisher does. This brings to question the metaphysics behind that act.... Is it WRONG to kill someone in order to keep them from killing you... or others? or are we supposed to keep our hands clean and let the Universe play out it's own scenarios, and leave this world clean - which is a tenet of Buddhism. One could therefore ask... Why is it OK to kill when the Gov't tells you that some country you never heard of is your enemy, but WRONG to kill someone who hurt you or your family?? 🤔 The character of "Batman" stands smack in the middle of this question.

@wiredtosleep5669

Жыл бұрын

You made an essay, and I like it👍

@marcushamner5994

Жыл бұрын

I love your thought, brother! It’s an interesting take on the dichotomy of Batman and Punisher. Comic Pop did a great discussion about the Punisher/ Batman Deadly Knights crossover! It’s really awesome! Sal is a great orator. He’s my spirit animal👉🏾 m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/p6R7scGpY7iaitY.html

Citizen A: Joker fed me my family and tortured me in a basement for 1 year...whys Batman protecting him? Our Justice System is shit! Citizen B: Joker threw 7 infants in a vat acid and all Batman had to say is "Oopsie woopsie Joker you need to go to prison for the 7626737th time this month cause the law says so. Dinner next break out?" Citizen C: Joker just bombed a Preschool Theater with Joker Laugh Gas and all he got was a buttslap while my 7 year old daughter who just wanted to watch her favourite show in person died painfully.

@rashadagayev3228

Жыл бұрын

You have to defeat Batman to kill Joker at first

Joker is afraid of Punisher because if he gets killed by him, it won't matter. Punisher is already a broken man, there is nothing Joker can do to hurt him.

@MILDMONSTER1234

2 жыл бұрын

Yep a common misonception about Punisher is that people think hes an anti hero killing because his way of justice is better when in reality he just likes killing people.

@nathanalexandre9043

2 жыл бұрын

Actually he can jokerize him and everything would get worse with Jokerized Frank literally killing anybody for no reason at all via the gadgets that Joker has on his person ready to set off when he dies......aside that move because he usually plans ahead of that even, killing Joker via Frank is a bad idea.

@Hellraiser988

2 жыл бұрын

@@MILDMONSTER1234 you take the max comics as Canon lol

The funny thing is, you could swap Red Hood in for Punisher and it would still work.

@cecejamesable

2 жыл бұрын

God, I'd love Red Hood to blow the Joker's brains out, but Castle doing it, just putting him down like a rabid animal just makes me smile.

@nikolaziza7440

2 жыл бұрын

not really to red hood its personal for obvius resons but to frank he is just another criminal that he will put down

@ianm5686

2 жыл бұрын

Why not both? imagine Joker suddenly getting riddled with bullets by the man in the red hood and the man who wears the symbol of death

@arthurcosta1657

2 жыл бұрын

No because joker got scared because he whould not give a fuck about having killed the joker Jason on the other hand whould

@therealjoker2957

2 жыл бұрын

It did work. This is pretty much the same storyline minus the history between Jason and Batman. Come to think of it bats has probably had this conversation with every cop in Gotham at least 3 times.

Peacemaker and Red Hood probably the only DC comic characters who would appreciate whatever frank doing on his daily tuesday.

Batman needs a three strikes rule. You get spared and sent to Arkham three times. You don't reform, Bats calls Castle. Gotham would be crime free in five years.

@NoName-hg6cc

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, one way or the other...

@Charlie94781

11 ай бұрын

Punisher would be the Janitor of Gotham: scrubs out the corrupt politicians and criminals

Bro I get that Batman can’t kill the joker but when someone else is literally about to do it and end all the chaos he just won’t let it, he helps the joker get away and let’s the chaos going, like cmon man just let him end it

@chrisedwards3214

2 жыл бұрын

That means batman.doesnt want the saga to end which means that to.kill the joker the fun he has fighting him comes to stop

@doggamer3649

2 жыл бұрын

Plot armour

@carolusrex5213

2 жыл бұрын

It's mostly explained in the comics, Batman has an unhealthy obsession with saving people. He doesn't want anyone to die at all. It's a complex that formed

@Azteceda

Жыл бұрын

@@carolusrex5213 Heck, that was the entire reason Catwoman dumped him in Hush. He literally can't accept someone else dying if he can help it. He'd jump into nearly certain doom if he could save the worst scum on the planet.

Batman: I'll put you in Arkham. Punisher: I'd be out in a week and you know it. The security there is so bad that even people without superpowers can break out. It's almost like you want them to keep escaping so you can continue playing pretend at being a hero. Batman:

@firestorm165

2 жыл бұрын

Wait he did what with the batwing?

@bon7029

2 жыл бұрын

@@firestorm165 i.imgur.com/mVnpH4W.jpeg

@Hellraiser988

2 жыл бұрын

@@firestorm165 yes

Just further evidence to prove that batman is just as spycho as his enemies. Batman and Joker are the comic world's newtons law. This is why I love punisher. An anti-hero driven by effectiveness. One of the only protagonists in the game that understands there's really only one way to stop the evil.

This comic shows what a complete fucking failure Batman is, he saves Joker, the mass-murderer who has terrorized his city for years, killing hundreds of innocents but then wants fight Punisher? Joker probably killed a few innocent people on his way home and who's to blame for their deaths, uh Batman???

I get batman not killing joker himself but I always liked how they show how childish batman is. He could have let castle kill joker and free the whole city of the menace. But because batman has such a reliance on joker he not only spares him but actively protects him. Without the joker batman wouldn't be able to cope with his loneliness. Hes taking a drug he knows is wrong but he also knows he'll fall apart without it.

@RaptorJesus

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's "childish". I think it's mental illness. Batman can't let anyone die because of that night in the alley, no matter how much he might genuinely believe someone deserves to be killed. Batman is broken, and he's trying to fix something that was never whole from the start.

@harpseal9234

2 жыл бұрын

Isnt it the joker who cant cope without bats tho ? xD Thought bats always tried to give joker second chances because he thought he could change him :/

@Hellraiser988

2 жыл бұрын

@@harpseal9234 it's both ways actually without the joker Batman is nothing and without Batman the joker is nothing

@cartelcourse9939

2 жыл бұрын

Joker the manifestation of the pure evil and insanity in all of us, he's not afraid to die cuz another will rise and take his place

@therealjoker2957

2 жыл бұрын

@@cartelcourse9939 that's the killing joke itself... The reason for all the out of place laughter. There will always be more.

Lets be honest punisher could have killed the joker but he literally scared him straight. Some thing not even bats has been able to do. Gotta give it to frank.

@jrob4795

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta also give it back to Bruce because Batman kicks Frank's ass, and makes him leave town with his tail tucked between his legs.

@Neon1880

2 жыл бұрын

@@jrob4795 ya because punisher isn’t as good of a fighter and doesn’t have the gear. Punisher is such a massive threat to people like the joker because he doesn’t care if he kills. He doesn’t LIKE killing, he just thinks it’s the right thing to do

@jrob4795

2 жыл бұрын

@@Neon1880 Well, no, this story is kind of PIS because plenty of capable people have had opportunities to kill Joker, and Batman usually intervenes. This was something they just added to make Punisher look cool before Batman wore him out.

@Sevan_UP

2 жыл бұрын

@@Neon1880 cuz the punisher actually gets the job done why the joker actually got scared of him

@MILDMONSTER1234

2 жыл бұрын

@@Neon1880 oh no he very much enjoys it lol

I like the implication of the major difference in batman and the punisher here. Bruce does react like a kid. He distances himself from his own person and puts the bullies in time out like a kid would. Frank on the other hand is a veteran and knows only one way with people that are classified as the enemy. There are like 100+ different things you can bring up on how batman and the punisher mirror each other but at the end of the day, they are both interesting characters and i would not want to know either of them cause they're sociopaths xD

@crazymadstriker766

Жыл бұрын

Interesting but crazy, one who kills for enjoyment but gets the job done on notorious evil people and the other who beats the shit out of villains, doesn't even cripple them, and refuses to finish the job

@godzillazfriction

Жыл бұрын

@@crazymadstriker766 i mean the saying does go that batman gives ppl or criminals a 'fate worse than death' or 'i won't kill you but the medical bills will' or when it comes to gravity 'i didn't make his death be the fall on him but it was gravity instead' shit like that yk

Even punisher thinks Gotham is a terrible place to live lmao

That's gold, a masked vigilante who created the joker (a monster responsible for the deaths of hundreds) calling Frank a murder; the Punisher makes a great point, how many times has Batman locked up the joker just to have him break out again, and go on a massive crime spree with countless bodies left in his wake? Batman might not have killed anyone directly but the blood of all the innocents is still on his hands.

@The_Ronin1

2 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@pilgrimmwise7528

2 жыл бұрын

It's not Batman's job to put down the Joker, they have a system for that, several in fact. Batman can't play Judge and jury and police all at the same time.

@festro1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@pilgrimmwise7528 Batman's a vigilante, it's not like he's respecting the system to begin with considering he goes around town acting as the incarnation of fear itself. Most people become vigilantes in the first place because the system fails them, whether it be the rampant crime that turn a kid into an orphan, or a sociopath that breaks out of an asylum practically every week to gas a dozen people for a laugh.

@tumblingworm737

2 жыл бұрын

Its because they love each other I hate Gotham too

@shawnchen1121

2 жыл бұрын

@@festro1000 uhh, gcpd was/is practically not used or is useless in the cases that batman's handled. plus, the whole thing is that the police and ur official protectors arent cutting it. Corruption and whatnot so batman is basically doing a cop+detective. He doesnt kill because he is not the executioner, nor even the judge. He catches them, and the "System" deals with them accordingly. Batman has a code and each time he follows it is a testament to his willpower and conviction. Maybe just read stuff ur into or can understand because u obviously (Like so many other "haters" of batman) dont actually know why batman attracts so many fans. or perhaps again like alot of the other haters- u simply cant stand the fact a mortal out of superpowered beings can do so much yet u urself cant even begin to compare urself to him. All his biological stats arent entirely impossible. But u know u cant get to be like batman because u know u wont ever have the motivation or reason to do so, or perhaps the lack of confidence in urself, so u project it onto anything u can nitpick out of batman :p

As a kid you like Batman, growing up you realize the Punisher makes more sense.

@AngelofEresos

2 жыл бұрын

I'd say the real answer is somewhere in the middle. Batman's right when he tries to make sure common thugs, or people the villains take advantage of get a second chance. Frank's right when he thinks the Joker's had more chances than anyone should need. Killing the bad guy ain't always right, and it ain't always wrong. It's about doing the math, and seeing which choice makes the world a better place.

@jonathanathor117

2 жыл бұрын

@@AngelofEresos middle ground is always the most logical option.

This is why I hate Batman. If you don’t wanna kill the joker fine. But if someone else wants to do it don’t stop them. He literally helped this man escape

Batman: "If you kill a murderer then the number of murderers in the world stays the same." The Punisher: "That's why you need to kill more than one murderer."

@dariusbrock2713

2 жыл бұрын

The punisher: "That's why you kill all of them and become the last one standing, and thats a burden im willing to bear"

@geoffreysorkin5774

Жыл бұрын

@@dariusbrock2713 That isn't it a burden he's willing to bear. In every Punisher comic about him ending something where he's part of the list (i.e. killing every superhero in Punisher Kils the Marvel Universe or killing the last of murderers in his apocalyptic comic) he kills himself at the end.

"Joker, RUN!"? Ef this, at that point, Batman becomes an *accomplish* to Joker. No other way about it.

At this point Batman is gay for the joker. He could of let castle kill him but no he had to let joker live. Plot armor at its finest

@LaloSalamancaGaming69

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao batman gay That has to be the funniest thing i’ve ever heard today😂

@davethebss

2 жыл бұрын

@@LaloSalamancaGaming69 Could become an actual thing considering today's comics.

@mfirdanhb

2 жыл бұрын

@@davethebss if that happens not even joker would laugh at it

@jonathanathor117

2 жыл бұрын

There's an actual fanfic involving these 2 being gay lovers who reincarnate in different universes to do the same shit over and over and over.

@blackcat80yearsago96

2 жыл бұрын

"At this point Batman is gay for the joker" Why this line cracks me so hard lmfao 🤣

It kinda pisses me off that Batman doesn't even let other people kill the Joker. If he really thinks that the Joker will ever change, Batman is just as insane as the clown (maybe even more)

@shawnchen1121

2 жыл бұрын

same reason he wont do it himself. if he goes over he wont be able to stop. if he lets someone else do it, then its kinda the same thing where whoever did it can just keep going and do it to other villains or worse- become addicted to it and start killing more and also innocents.

@afonsoalmada6945

2 жыл бұрын

@@shawnchen1121 the punisher passed the line long ago. He has no problem in killing and Batman will never be able to persuade him to stop

@shawnchen1121

2 жыл бұрын

@@afonsoalmada6945 yea he did. and yet Batman did just that.

@shawnchen1121

2 жыл бұрын

@@afonsoalmada6945 he wont be able to stop him anywhere or anytime of course, but if its in gotham then, well, u saw what i saw too

@voizeguy

2 жыл бұрын

Well, in my opinion Batman doesn't kill because he believes in chances, chances his parents didn't have. So he hates killers, murder and guns because he hates when a life is taken more than he hates crime, that is why he tries to protect everyone and anyone from death. And Joker was able to become sane in a comic book where he thought Batman was dead, so he didn't need to be Joker. Because Joker thinks his purpose is Batman and without Batman he just becomes some guy with a job, a life and that doesn't commit crime of any kind. This shows that there is hope and people can change. And being Batman doesn't help Gotham. He can only react to crimes and save lives in that moment but Batman isn't a long term solution even if he killed, specially if he killed. In my humble opinion, being Bruce Wayne could help his city much more than the Bat ever could.

"In Gotham we let maniacs who have proven themselves to be dangerous, uncontainable mass murderers and cult demagogues continue to wreak havoc and ply their trade with near-impunity so I can have my precious morals. My money insulates me from the real consequences so I can cosplay as a bat and beat up the Bad Guys as much as I like without anyone telling me I'm the asshole here." Batman really is a child.

@obolstudios5154

Ай бұрын

Guess he didn’t recover from that ally where it all changed *did it?*

@RealEnerjak

22 күн бұрын

As the Joker said "You're just a kid in a playsuit crying for mommy and daddy. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic."

Punisher, Redhood, and Peacemaker would make good friends.

The clown shat out the great pyramids since the withering might of Punisher’s death stare was a nonverbal laxative

@obolstudios5154

Ай бұрын

“The clown Shat out the great pyramids” bruh I can’t! 😂💀

Simple reason why punisher is more interesting and effective hero/ anti-hero : he gives no fucking shit on villains. less crime rate at gotham if the punisher is there

@GuardianHero14

2 жыл бұрын

I agree.

@dre1961

2 жыл бұрын

Saddest part is it works

@Cha-Khia

2 жыл бұрын

The punisher has very few recurring nemesis... Because they're fookin' ded mate.

@Psycho-th8vb

2 жыл бұрын

Put Evil Superman or Injustice Superman in Gotham and he will do the job in less than seconds

@dariusbrock2713

2 жыл бұрын

Lol punisher will clean up gotham in a week and mail all the bodies to the batcave with a note saying "here, i rounded up your favorite pals, do what you want with them"

Despite all the bravado and insanity, Joker doesn't want to die. He plays people's morals to give them hope they can cure him, despite him never truly changing his ways. When he finally met someone who wasn't going to be swayed at all and end him right then and there, we saw Joker actually scared. He knew at that moment there was someone in front of him that will kill him without any hesitation or remorse. Somebody he can't toy with and manipulate into his games. Somebody that will end his life then just continue on without remembering him as anything more then another notch in their belt. Joker was truly afraid cause he knew he was about to die. Someone who didn't care about right or wrong and just wanted him dead.

As much as I liked Batman characters back then, seeing the Joker get what he deserved in Batman vs. the Punisher was priceless. Batman having to rescue the Joker was poetic. 😊

That's why joker usually doesn't fuck with the red hood Jason Todd, if Batman weren't there Jason would had done the same

@sptflcrw8583

2 жыл бұрын

Joker LOVES fucking with Todd lol

@Moon_in_Flames

2 жыл бұрын

@@sptflcrw8583 yeah, hell I think joker would love to make Todd kill him, as that would be a way of getting at Batman

@sptflcrw8583

2 жыл бұрын

@@Moon_in_Flames yeah, I don’t know what OP is talking about. Jason Todd is easily his favorite Robin.

@oliverrasmusson2362

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think you know much about the joker

@sptflcrw8583

2 жыл бұрын

@@oliverrasmusson2362 exactly. Had no idea why he said that. Jason Todd is probably the person Joker fucks with most, apart from Batman himself.

Dude this just points out how tiring the joker was as a character even back in the day

I enjoy moments like these where Batman’s true identity is revealed, not as the hero of Gotham or its Dark Knight, but as the true villain he’s always been, a psychopath who wants nothing more than to continue his reign of “justice” by never letting his enemies actually see it. Sure, he’ll break bones, bust up bad guys, but they’ll just break out from the broken system he knows won’t hold them, thus repeating the cycle. It’s all by design, a boy who never could grow up getting to live out his hero fantasies. He doesn’t kill because he never wants it to end, otherwise what place would he have in a world of innocent people? That Batman isn’t aware of this makes his character fascinating to me, like Patrick Bateman with impulse control.

@jahz_287

Жыл бұрын

love your take on batman. I completely agree. The fact that it's to the extent that he literally does not let them die, even from other people, completely proves your point. He is willing to let innocent civilians die, but not the evil villains who kill those civilans.

@thehaloscrolls391

Жыл бұрын

This is the most delusional take I’ve ever seen for Batman

@hysterical5408

Жыл бұрын

This is the most batshit insane take I've seen on batman, and I genuinely don't think you know the character nearly as much as you think you do.

@HunnaD2003

Жыл бұрын

@@hysterical5408 No, this is actually Batman. He’s a psychopath and doesn’t realize it. You gotta look deeper into his character to find this out. I was against it at first but over time I realized this was the truth. Batman is a crazy sob who contradicts himself by letting Villains live while they go out to kill innocent civilians. It’s much more to say about Batman but he’s crazy.

@hysterical5408

Жыл бұрын

@@HunnaD2003 no that's a delusion you made up cause I'd guess you wouldn't like the idea of a static character whose status que is almost impossible to change. Everyone knows Batman is broken and lonely. He's no a psychopath.

Joker didn’t wanna fuck around and find out