put a gate valve in there. Then you can really dial it in. Awesome to see you growing.

That's going to be a ton of work to test all those pumps. Thanks for taking the time to do this!!!

My dad had a well put into service January 1968. A Meyers 3 inch, 1/2 hp down 78 ft. Cabin used just on weekends for first 20 years until he retired then he moved there for 25 years before passing. Cabin still be used on weekends and the pump is going strong.

Very interesting video and clear explanation of the charts and graphs. However, yanking a 240V plug out of the wall under load will lead to failure of the receptacle and possibly a fire.If you look at it you can already see the soot and melting from arcing as it disconnects. It is not designed to serve as a switch. Add a load rated switch to that circuit.Thank you.

Bro you've helped me more than you know. I successfully replaced my last pump solely on your info.

Excellent video! Until today, I've never seen anyone fully explain the need for sufficient reserve pressure to cut out the pressure switch. Most people think only in terms of horsepower, and if the label says 'max 420 ft' they think they can move water AND turn off the pressure switch from that depth. Not true. Every pump model varies in both impeller geometry and number of stages (my Grundfos deep well pump has 16 stages, that is, 16 separate pumps stacked on top of each other). Some pumps are designed to move large volumes of water at relatively modest pressures, while others move modest quantities at high pressures. Need lots of water at high pressure? You'll need a lot more horsepower. I can't believe you have only 41,000 subscribers. You're by far the best water well guy I've ever seen! Cheers from British Columbia, Canada.

ad an ammeter that would be cool

Dude , that’s is freaking awesome! Thanks for sharing that info, I researched this information and you just confirmed my findings. Man , you are a Scholar and a Gentleman, I plan to get my equipment from you soon and hope your store grows even bigger. I wish you much success and prosperity in your business. I will keep watching your vids and definitely share them with others.

Man I truly admire how much passion you have in your job. Your trade is one of the most important in America - I hope you realize that. Thanks for so many great videos…super informative and educational.

I learned some things from this video! Some of it doesn't apply to me though because I live off grid and off gridders don't typically pump from the well to a pressure tank. We pump from the well to a storage tank when the sun is shining, and a 2nd pump at ground level gets the water from the storage tank to the pressure tank. FYI my well is 490 feet deep, and I do have a Grundfos SQ pump. Off gridders love the SQ pumps because of the low startup amp draw.

This is a series I’m looking forward to watching. I’m in the market for a 3” pump and I’m sure watching this will help me determine which pump I need. I’m also curious about the turbulence of water at the end of the casing and how far from the bottom a pump should hang. I’m concerned about sand and other debris making its way up to the pump and being ground up to powder in turn shortening the life of the pump. Is there a way you can talk about what these debris can do to the pump? One more thing, do you ever install solar pumps & what are your thoughts about them? Keep making videos and I’ll keep watching, there always something to learn even after you install your pump.

Add a current meter into the system to show the work ratio at pressure.

Another great video

wow man you really know your stuff, well done.

Excellent explanation of how to read pump preformance charts and tables and then apply that to real life example in a deep well. Keep doing these videos.

Man, your videos are truly great! thank you very much for sharing them!

Really enjoying your channel

never enjoyed something so much im interested in all this but the pumps i love working with vintage well pumps some engine driven well pumps. im from londonderry northern ireland uk thankyou Nigel

That is a bad ass pump.

Great test ! The only thing not in the equation is the piping + fitting losses/distance. Which you could never reproduce. Each application will depend on if the pump needs to be slightly oversized or not.

Thanks very much for all the great content and information. I moved from Europe to South America and this topic of running your own well was very new to me. We have a well for our house and actually had another one drilled for our vegetable farm where we need a lot of water. All your content really helps me a lot, to understand and plan my water systems. Really really great content!

This helps tremendously. I’m currently trying to figure all this out on my own so your content is very well appreciated and a big help.

Thanks for posting very interesting looking forward to the others. I posted the same question on one of the other videos hopefully can get an answer for it. I pulled a 1/2 hp 10gpm Goulds pump (1997) from my parents well. It was set at 300 feet. It was when the well was drilled and the pump was placed by The Well Company so I know it wasn't a do-it-yourself type homeowner repair. I'm just confused how can this be? They used that pump for 20 some years never had an issue with it until it finally quit but obviously they got more than the life out of it. It always made pressure and never had an issue with a family of five

@abm2958

7 ай бұрын

The well may be deep but the static water level is much higher. Also the pump isn't always set at the bottom of the well.

Excellent explanation. Great test bed. Question for the brainiac engineers. Does the shutoff valve correctly mimic pressure at depth? I think yes.

Hey Philip, love the videos. I've learned a ton over the past week binge watching your videos while troubleshooting my mother's well. I need clarification on head pressure. If I put a pump at 300 feet, but the static level is 200 feet, am I using 200 feet to calculate head pressure, or 300 feet where the pump is located. I've heard you reference this a few times about falling water levels in the well will increase the head pressure, but in my goofy mind you're still pushing water 300 feet regardless where the static water level may be.

Installing one of these in the morning! When the 4 inch won’t go send the 3 inch!

Would have been good to show amps to see if pump works at service factor

Great Information… That’s what I call an H2O Mechanic “Cliff Hanger” - Thank you!!!

thanks! question... how much does the static level play into the flow of the water through the pump?(say there is 160' of water above the pump and then it's drawn down to 100of water above the pump)

I (spi) liked your demo I worked on irrigation pumps, (6" to 14" up to 900' deep)a large part of my life, not a lot for the house. this aspect is good to learn also.

Top of the chart says 1 1/4 pipe. So its probably is right on the money. Thanks for the testing. We love the Grundfos pumps

This video is so informative and you do a great job of explaining this information in a way that is very easy to understand. I reaaly enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work!!!

Very nice informative video. Many thanks.

Well with your last statement, you may have to give up your day job and just answer question. LOL great video!

informative video . i have tested used pumps . i figured out more gpm flow ihe higher the amps , higher pressure less amps. i was surprised at this. is this true for modern soft start pumps ?

What a great video. ThanksMy only comment concerns the required NPSH. But the data you got is close to the data on the Grundfos flow chart and their sizing table. I look forward to seeing you test your other pumps.

😀Awesome video! Thanks for the information, Love the videos!

Having a well drilled Monday. It will be around 180ft depth and then 800ft lateral pipe with an elevation gain of 135 ft. Driller is recommending having a tank at the head and running 6/3 wire to run 1hp pump for 7gallon per minute. Have you run aluminum wire instead of copper before for a setup like this to save on wire cost? Thanks love the channel.

Wow, great setup! Kinda like an amp dyno in the car audio world. I noticed the pump wasn't fully submerged in the test barrel. I thought all submersible pumps had the motor at the end and the pump part closer to the discharge pipe. I figured it was that way to draw cold water around the motor to keep it cooler. We live in a rural area w/a deep well (per say). We also are lake front property owners and I have an irrigation system using a 1/5HP 230 22gpm submersible pump in the lake to draw the water. I have it in a "simulated" well casing and "point" and it's on it's side. Although it works, I've gone through 2 pumps in 20 years. With both pumps, the motor seals failed flooding the motor killing it.

@throttlebottle5906

Жыл бұрын

it laying on it's side is likely what's killing them fast. the internal motor and pump impeller designs I've seen are for vertical orientation only. else it will side load the bearings/shaft/seal and eat them up. also the pressure you have when it's pumping may be too low to keep it lubricated and cooled down inside, it may cavitate/trap air in the motors rotor/bearing area, which is lubricated by the water itself. you may try running a regulator to keep 30psi on the pump at all times it's running.

@curtchase3730

Жыл бұрын

@@throttlebottle5906 Thanks for reply! Ya, I can understand the issue with pump laying horizontal when they are, for the most, designed to be hung vertical. I think there are models that say they can go on their side if I'm not mistaken. The brand I am using now I think says it can be placed on it's side. As far as pressure, I keep a fairly high head pressure at all times. It feeds a full pressurized system much like a standard well setup.

I just use a formula of .4335 # per foot of water height.

interesting.

Thank you so much - I am learning a ton, and just in time because I have two wells I need to work on.

Great test! I have a well that I work on once in a while to replace a pressure switch or repair a leak but this info is something that I am sure I will be using in the future when the pump fails. Thanks.

Test the Grunfos 6 SQF -3.

Great video

Quick question please. Was the "Electronic Fuel Meter" calibrated for water?

Thanks for this

Thank you very much for the time you take to produce your fine videos. Is the 15SQ10-250 pump appropriate for my application? I have read through the Grundfos 3" SQ Sizing Guide. I do not understand some sections and terms, such as TDH and friction loss, my pump system is typical with an 85 gallon pressure tank and 40-60 pressure switch, inline filter prior to the pressure tank and a few elbows and tee joints. - My well is 400' deep with the old pump set at 185 feet. - I will be using 1.25" black roll pipe with an Grundfos SQ. - The well is at 4,000' elevation. - The most recent well inspection report from 2015 showed 15 GPM at the start and 14.75 GPM after 45 minutes. The data in the Grundfos Sizing Guide points me towards the 15SQ10-220 but not understanding the friction and TDH I am wondering which pump is best for my application, and should I go down to 1" black roll?

@abm2958

7 ай бұрын

You shouldn't have a filter inline before the switch.

Are you sure that the standing water above the pump adds to the load on the pump? I was always told that the standing level of water was the pumping depth because the water above the pump negated the water in the drop pipe. Good videos, thank you.

@h2omechanic

Жыл бұрын

The standing level is the pumping level. But that level can fluctuate all the way down to the pump depth during high water usage.

Definitely enjoyed the video, good learning experience to see the testing. I wondered tho for a shallow well of say ~80 feet, how much difference there is in using a submersible pump versus an above ground pump...

@throttlebottle5906

Жыл бұрын

if the well is capable of high gpm recovery/flow rates an in ground is the best way to go. if it's not, then dual line with ejector raised up a ways and long tail below to footer valve. that's an old trick allowing the gpm flow rate to drop off, without over pumping to sucking air or lose prime. they'll even go right down to a trickle and maintain that if it's the right combination. little water flow sure beats sucking air and burning up the pump or needing serviced non stop.

Thanks for taking the time to build your test setup and more importantly, explaining it's use. I know you've mentioned Valor pumps from Lowe's upon occasion which I never paid attention to since I'm not currently in the market for a replacement pump. But, it did peak my curiosity. One sure has to search deep on Lowe's web site to even find it. One thing I had a hard time wrapping my head around is how come it's so inexpensive compared to others? I was wondering if it's all plastic or ferrous metal construction that will last about a year in service. From the manual on the Lowe's web site, it looks like an imported pump and the manual is a poor auto-translation from it's native language. If they can't spend the timer money to have someone proof-read their documentation, where else did they cut corners???

@h2omechanic

Жыл бұрын

I believe they're using 1970s patent designs and copying the old model pumps. Bc the electric motors are oil filled (like old pumps) and they are very very heavy compared to newer models. I believe the US doesn't allow oil filled motors in drinking water wells anymore. But I may be mistaken.

Must we not allow for voltage loss (length of wiring) in a deeper well? Wouldn't that lower water pressure?

@FishFind3000

Жыл бұрын

Less volts means larger amperage draw

Are there any American made pumps? I noticed that pump was made in Mexico i think?

I have learned a lot watching your channel. Anyone who has a well should subscribe to your channel. Thank you for the informative information you provide your viewers. I have no idea how deep my well pump is in the well. It is a two-wire 240 volt pump. Is there a way to estimate the depth by measuring the current draw? The well pipe is 1 1/4 inch galvanized steel pipe. I assume a one inch ID. I am assuming that because they left five 20 feet sections of well pipe on the ground, whenever the well pipe was installed. I found the spare well pipe covered up by four inches of compacted decayed leaves 20 years ago, when I cleaned up the property. The flow rate is 7 gallons per minute from a water hose into a five gallon bucket.

What’s your opinion of the Grundfos SQE constant pressure pumps? Seems like they offer more stable pressure output and reduce the size of the pressure (bladder) tank required?

how does atmospheric pressure of roughly 14 PSI impact the final results or real world application

Is there a benefit to 3” vs 4” pump? I just pulled my pump and trying to troubleshoot. It is s Franklin electric 4” pump, 1 HP rated for 10GPM. Use is for Irrigation only

Great info! I was watching your videos and I learned a lot. I made a well around a month ago that produces 150 gallons per minute (I'm impressed) and I'm wondering what pump I have to purchase I have it at 98 ft. Deep And I have to push the water at a distance of 400 feet away and an altitude of 30 feet high. Above the well. Which pump can you recommend? Thank you in advance 🙏🏼

My well they hit water at 320 but set the pump at 360

Thanks for the video, I am in Washington State and have a well at 418 ft with a static level of about 300 ft. It produces 9 gallons a minute. With it that deep can poly pipe be used?

Do u have a grundfos sq290 pump test?

I have had a few homeowners buy their own pump because mine were to expensive and hire me to install them. Needless to say they end up with mine. Did my sales rep call you from the Rideau Group in Ontario Can.

you should automate all this with an arduino/raspberry pi so you can do manny

We bought 15 acres already had a well on it how can we determine how deep the well is

I have a 6sqflex 3 giving an error code f3. I'm having trouble finding a new motor that will run on 120v at 400ft deep. Its pumping to a holding tank. I dont want another sqflex pump as id rather have an inverter in the pump house instead of 400ft in the ground.

Is there any downside to using an Electronic fuel meter like that on an actual pump system? I was asking about a flow meter and the well guys I talked to said it either didn't exist or it was really expensive and thought it was ridiculous that I wanted it but it would be interesting to see how much water I use and it seems like it would be an excellent tool to discover leaks in the system for before they became a big problem. On a totally different note - do you have any idea how I could get a rough idea about how much water is coming out of a 12" irrigation pipe that I have?

Talk about third party conformation. That is a bench mark for testing. You have hit it out of the park. The viewers can see in an instant the truth to the capabilities of a given well pump. To quote another very well known KZreadr, "We're gonna test that!!!" And test you did!!! Love it. Thank for sharing this video, and thank you for sharing your knowledge. For those who may not see the value in what your doing, they simply need to ask which is cheaper, going with / attending the school of hard knock's (make stupid choices get loser / stupid rewards, i.e., burning up a well pump) or see in real time, real like situations, with real time results, of a given well pump. In case their may be some "WOKE-Viewers," who get offended by see / reading the word "stupid," you could just insert the word "KISS." Now, if your wondering what the heck is "KISS" schooling. ANSWER: Keep It Simple Stupid. Just curious, at what point of a given well pump capabilities', do you generally recommend stepping up to the next size. My guess would be between 85% to maybe as high as 90% capabilities, would be time to step up to the next size well pump.

I had a new well drilled this week. It is 280 feet deep, and the driller estimated the well was producing between 6-7 gallons per minute. I will need a DC well pump since my pump will be powered by solar panels. Grundfos makes them. What is your recommendation for my situation? My property is off-grid with no residence. At this time, I will not pump to a pressure tank. Although, the well driller said that there are in-well pressure tanks. I was looking at RPS since they have a lot of advertising. But, many have recommended the Grundfos pump. Any recommendations/suggestions? Thank you.

how many rolls of electrical tape do you think you use a year

@h2omechanic

Жыл бұрын

700ish

1 question... My house is 21 years old. I have all original equipment - tank, T, Pump. One day I got a big idea to set up a camera focused on the pressure gauge to check for any leaks. Turns out my pressure gauge is stuck. Went to change it. Discovered on the T I had no way to drain tank. Instead of a relief valve, I have a 3/4 inch plug. I went to change the plug for a valve. The plug is rusted on - galvanized. Since there is no real problem (Im just curious as to whether there is a leak) is it worth it to break the plug free from the rust or should I just wait until I need to replace the tank? Then replace the T also with a proper relief valve? Is there a decent chance that when I break it from from the rust that I will destroy the T?

Does line size, say 1 1/4 change things for the pump ability?

I am looking for 15SQ10-250. Grundfos documentation specifies this as 1HP, FL = 8.4Apms, but on online, products selection, specification is showing Rated power - P2 = 2.08HP, Power (P2) required by pump = 2.8HP, Rated current = 11.2Amps. Can you explain why the numbers are different. Is this 1HP or 2HP pump?

Thanks so much for all this info! I'm looking forward to the 1/2HP Vevor pump test. I just purchased and installed the 120 volt version of the Vevor one for an old well on my property at about 60 feet (couldn't pass up that $62 after discounts price). I wanted it mainly to just top off my swimming pool every day so don't have a pressure tank yet, but it worked out so well that I've started thinking about adding one. I haven't thought about PSI though so will add a gauge first to make sure I can get 50-60psi at the top of the well. EDIT: as others have mentioned, I am also curious about amps used at different pressures. Could you include that in your next test please? My well seems to have a recovery rate of about 3gpm so I've dialed down the flow rate quite a bit and was worried that would cause the pump to use more electricity.

@paulmaxwell8851

Жыл бұрын

It's counter-intuitive, but well-pump motor amps fall as the flow is restricted. I know, it's hard to believe, but try it for yourself. Throttling the output will decrease power consumption.

@JonathanMotes

Жыл бұрын

@@paulmaxwell8851 have read that and it sort of makes sense to me, but I do just need to buy a clamp over amp meter and test it, like you said! I am wondering how proportionally the current draw does drop too though. I'm cutting my water level down to 2GPM so my well doesn't run dry (which is about 90% less than the pump’s max flow rate) and running it for 4 hours a day to keep my pool full (its hot here right now, plus there's a leak that's eluding me). I wonder if I would save electricity by adding a pressure tank to enable the pump to run at full flow but kick on and off every 2-3 minutes.

Looking for a Grundfos 120v soft start pump for my cabin 7 gallons per minute would do . Well is 400 ft . Do they make this ? I am legally blind this is hard for me to research . Thanks

My question is: If you have a well pump installed at 150' and the well water stays at 3' from the top, aren't you basically pumping water just three feet? The pipes will stay filled all the way up to within 3' of the top of the pipe even with no pump operating at all, so, isn't that the case?

@h2omechanic

Жыл бұрын

That's called a 3ft static level. It's rare, but possible. There's no need to have the pump at 150ft. But it's fine where it is at . That pump will have a very easy life & hopefully last a long time

@MyBacktrail

Жыл бұрын

I think that is the case, and he kind of said it in the video. But then you need another 40 or more psi to trigger the pressure switch.

PLEASE ANSWER I have a totally different question. If I'm on a village watr system and have 45psi at the 1" miter. If I run 1k feet of 1" pex. How much psi will I lose and gpm? WHAT CAN I DO TI INCREASE IT.

@BEANS-O-MATICtransmissions

Жыл бұрын

Your best bet is to run a separate pump system from another tank that has water storage. You will loose quite a bit of volume @1k feet. It depends on how much you need at the source

Please help I changed my pressure switch got power at switch & above ground at pump but still no water also no spark at contact's on switch ? What's wrong ?

@h2omechanic

Жыл бұрын

No spark means the pumps not running. If its a submersible pump, it'll have to be pulled out. Your wire going down the well is probably broken, look for exposure in the copper wire.

I LIKE TO BUYTHIS 3 GRUNDFOS 1HP 15 GPM SQ-250. I LIVE IN THE PHILLIPPINES AND HAVE NOT FOUND A 2 WIRER PUMP. I LIKE TO KEEP IT SIMPLE HOOK UP. THAT PUMP DOES EVERYTHING I LOOKING FOR. THIS WOULD SELL BIG TIME THER NOTHING LIKE HERE. HOW CAN WE MAKE IT HAPPEN. WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU..

nice work on the videos! I have a question is my well has been acting up and the pump runs but for 8 seconds then cycles off then back on . could i disconnect my well at the tank and hook up my pump manually diconnected from the tank and see if it shuts down within 8 seconds? or if it does not and keeps running then its a good pump? I have no amp meter the check amps. thanks

@h2omechanic

Жыл бұрын

Buy a $16 amp meter from harbor freight, that takes away all the guessing. If it cycles on/off/on while your not using any water, then that means you have a leak in the drop pipe. Either a bad check valve in the pump or a cracked fitting near pump, or cracked pipe.

@greasemonkeybd

Жыл бұрын

@@h2omechanic thanks for that info!!

@greasemonkeybd

Жыл бұрын

@@h2omechanic I got that meter from harbor freight and the pump is drawing 20.1 amps startup then falls to 16.9 amps and I think its a 3/4 hp pump so it looks like the pump is bad?

@h2omechanic

Жыл бұрын

@@greasemonkeybd yup. It's bad. That confirms it!

where can someone find the flow charts you are using? I have a 300 foot well with a head of 90feet in a 6" casing. im trying to figure out what pump i should use that you sell. thanks.

@h2omechanic

Жыл бұрын

Grundfos SQ-290 is what you'll want. Or the 3/4hp 7gpm J-Class 4" pump. Whatever your budget is. Grundfos pumps have nice built-in features, but both will do the job up to 300ft deep no problem.

@bryanferree10

Жыл бұрын

@h2omechanic thank you so much I will be buying one of these here soon from you.

We have a 6" well at our remote cabin that is 189ft deep with a static water level of 75ft. We have installed a Simple Pump brand hand pump on it 8 years ago. It works well but honestly, we are tired of hand pumping. The Simple Pump is set 110ft down the well. The well was rated at 10GPM If you are familiar with the Simple Pump well cover there are holes (plugged at the moment) for electrical wire and another water pipe from a submersible pump to emerge out of the cover. I have questions. First, I like the Grundfos pump for the slow start feature that will not draw a huge amount of amps on startup. We only have a 2200 watt generator. How deep would you recommend us setting this pump? What should we use for a drop pipe (black poly??). If we use the black poly will the barb fittings at the pump and then at the fitting coming thru the well cover adequately hold the weight of the pump, drop pipe and water without worrying about the drop pipe coming loose and losing the pump down the well? We'd really like to do this. We have contacted two well drilling outfits and they had not interest in doing this so we'd like to try it ourselves. Can you talk us thru it??The

@jake-mv5oi

Жыл бұрын

They make a 12/24v motor/actuator for those I believe. Not sure about a 120/240v motor.

@jws3925

Жыл бұрын

@@jake-mv5oi Simple Pump does make an add on 12/24 volt motor however we really want a submersible Grundfos as a n addition to the hand pump.

Could never understand why most people will cut corners and cheap out on price on quality parts,yes i understand they might be tight on funds but it usually always comes back to bite them in their ass...Something like pumps ,ac units, septic tanks and other long term expensive purchases, just do like i do and buy the quality best product and scrimp the other things in life instead

You are confusing PSI with TDH. for every 1 psi of pressure you have 2.31 feet of head. So when you were at 175 PSI on the gauge, you were at 404.25 TDH. 175 X 2.31 = 404.25. So to have a pumping level of 200' you have 200 + 60 X 2.31 = 338.6TDH

Why not use 11/2 hp 4" pump ..

@throttlebottle5906

Жыл бұрын

those wont fit in many older 6"+wells with scale and buildup and forget about them in 4" to5" casings. many around here have shoe-horned 4" pumps down the 4" wells, just great until it goes in in 5 to 10+ years, then no longer comes out. 🙄 rolling eyes.

Do you have an email? I have some questions.

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Why the flipped image? Why? What is the damn point of it?