Great video Barry. This looks to be one of the top motion setups I've seen. Incredible immersion, especially in the truck portion of the video. Thank you Barry.

This video drops on the day my system is being delivered. Super excited now, even though I now realize it'll be a week to get the settings sorted.

@1986alexpotter

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the club Doug!

@JH-jo9wt

3 жыл бұрын

How's it going Dougy can you give us an update? More importantly what did you pay all up shipped to your location? cheers

drool.. sweet kit. Building sfx100 now let's hope it is 50% as much fun as you had in this!

I can tell by Barry's smile in the thumbnail he was quite happy with the product

Me: Barry I just finished my own complete DIY rig. Barry: I could use it to build a PART of my seatbelt attachment system. ;) Great stuff as always, Barry.

Just judging by barries smile on the thumb nail you know the rig is good

Simply wonderful. Both video than object

Epic relaxing voice, not so relaxing intro sounds. Great channel!

That’s gnarly.

Great video Barry, as always. Would you mind detailing out all of the pieces of your rig currently in use in this video (wheel, hub, shifter, etc?) Thanks!

It looks great. However, after all that stuff has been added, I wonder about the total weight of the cockpit section on the actuators, (and then the total system on top of the surge section itself). I think one would fallow "race car" practice to ensure that any "sprung weight" is kept as low as possible to make the most of the limited "G force" simulation acceleration in any direction that the actuators can provide.

"So let do this" nodding the head! Metal!!!!

Looks fun but I wonder if it couldn't be better if you find a way to sync the in-game camera movements with the real cockpit movements so both cockpits show the same accentuations

So Barry....... How much do you charge for seat time?? Haha great video as always, it's great to see all these new motion systems and direct drive systems being developed and improved, and reducing cost enough to make them more accessible to consumers. It's still an expensive hobby but I bought my first DD this year, a Fanatec DD2, and now a full motion rig may actually be achievable some day. No longer a $30k fantasy!

Absolutely loved this 3 part series. And it’s about as close to a SFX100 build review we’re likely to ever get.

@hishams89

4 жыл бұрын

SFX is quicker and stronger

@chillil321

4 жыл бұрын

I think it’s the same motors for the 4 vertical actuators at least just maybe a different flange size? So for that part it should be the same. I am using Thanos as well so same setup there.

@1986alexpotter

4 жыл бұрын

@@hishams89 wrong

@wajdi1977

4 жыл бұрын

BMW Germany You can’t compare a 3D printed DIY actuators with an industrial heavy duty as PT actuators... no SFX is a nice DIY project but it’s not at the same level as PT actuators.

@hishams89

4 жыл бұрын

@@wajdi1977 the servo motors of the sfx are industrial servos

Best sim channel hands down ...barry please have a give away or a trip to the sim racing garage for a day. I'd pay for that before I'd go to another race event.lol I'm in NC and was wanting to start a sim racing arcade / store .. Maybe set up a motion vr dirt oval for training as its popular here. But im thinking it's too niche to break even much less make money.. Maybe setup next to the local drag/dirt track here in fayetteville

Some simulators have the seatbelt retractor mounted on an extruded aluminum trail in the back of the seat up at about 7degrees angel feeding into the hole of the seat.

The creator of SimTools will soon be releasing V3, which will incorporate a simpler way to buy, manage and updated plugins as well as a complete overhaul of the UI

Hey Barry. I think it might be worthwhile to take another look at the Accurorce V2. They just released a cloud tuning update to their sim commander software where it compiles data from thousands of car and track combos from users and really perfects the FFB. Would love to see your take on it and whether it brings the accuforce inline with the other DD options.

'terrible sausage that's bumping me bad' giggle

Do you have a link to where I can purchase the lap belt rubber mounts? Thanks!!

Brilliant set up (and video as per usual) but can it be made better? Let's drop the swivel pin at the front. Replace with a second traction loss actuator (installed opposite side to rear traction loss thus same actuator movement as rear for understeer or oversteer) and thus achieve the front as well as rear traction loss. The system can handle one more actuator so should work if software can deal with it, which I presume it can. Any thoughts on this from you sim brainiacs?

Barry, could you explain whether and why (or why not) the screens should be mounted as part of the cockpit rather than what you are showing in the video? It feels like it'd be more natural to have the cockpit visible in the screen be part of the cockpit and thus connected rigidly. Thanks! Great videos and great value! Thanks for that too!!!

Do you have a car-track combo suggestion to test out that weightlessness feeling you get sometimes when driving over a hump just right? Has any of the motion systems you've tested so far been capable of achieving that? I'm guessing Laguna Seca Corkscrew would be a pretty fun test at least (don't know if it gives that feeling though) I would also love to see something like old Monza oval as part of the motion test bench for the really bumpy banked straights and turns. It would also be cool to see a video comparing the motion algorithms from the different software out there and how they handle things differently.

If you buy the complete package from them, do you get the f1 chasis, the middle roller base thingies and the bottom base thingies with the 4 big and 2 small actuators?

I like the Audi wheel while racing a dirt truck

Hey barry i have a question for you. I saw a rig with both actuators and a seat mover, what would that do?

I found out I have some type masochism, manifests in me clicking on these type of videos clicking on final thoughts to hear SRG mentioning the cost of motion rigs while feeling all that pain. Wait, I found out that you too, and you!

Barry, can you give us a little comparison of this vs. the latest, similarly priced 3dof dbox? Immersion comparison?

@leonardcheri2118

4 жыл бұрын

No

@Globespy

4 жыл бұрын

It would not be smart to do this, especially as D-Box is suffering as a result of the Covid pandemic where commercial locations that make up big parts of their business are also struggling. I think that's why we have seen the unusually large price reductions of late. If you want a mature 'plug and play' motion solution, and have the very deep pockets to fund a similarly configured D-Box build, then D-Box is the way to go. If you don't mind a more DIY approach with software that is more 'enthusiast' focused with deep adjustability, then this PT solution can't be beat on value for money and D-Box cannot compete even closely in price. At least not yet. You can build a 4 actuator PT-based solution for far less than half the price of the D-Box 4 actuator solution, and will get actuators that have far greater stroke range, which would increase that price delta as the 150mm stroke D-Box solution is close to new car prices. If you have $20K+ to build something, then D-Box is a great option, but if you want to build a very similar solution using PT, then you could invest that difference in many other things, or just save it!

@traind

4 жыл бұрын

@@Globespy Barry did a review of the new 4 actuator DBox.... the price is now half what it was. $9,000 will get you what used to cost $17 or 18,000 USD. Still a huge amount of money for sure. I am curious though about the precision and quality of the 4 actuator DBox vs. the less expensive solutions like this one. Clearly, PT gives you more functionality for less money but sometimes spending nore actually gets you higher quality. I am not sure if Dbox, even with the price cut, is worth the extra money vs. the newer market entrants.

How good is the system in regards to emersion on high angle drifts?

Looking at that it looks like your yaw function is back to front. 👍

So cool. Would be awesome to be raised playing racing games on one of these. For just $10,000! It's okay buddy, maybe we can find a used one

Well that was quite a project. Well done for the outcome. My question: Is the driving experience good for driver training? This may seem to be a strange question but if a driver is training with incorrect motion inputs, this is not going to be helpful. Who could answer that with certainty?

@muulka

Жыл бұрын

This is an old post but I have a good insight into this; I’m a simulator engineer for an F1 team and know a fair bit about motion cueing. My feeling is that a motion system like the one in this video would probably be actively harmful for driver training. At the very least, a lot of the motion cues I can see being used are precisely the opposite of what we would cue. And in particular, the yaw cuing is by far the most important for actual driver feel because that can give the feel of under/oversteer.

Pardon my noob question, but how do you make sure the belts don't get too tight that they crush you??

Barry, can you please tell me what the actuary rubber part is you use to mount the belt harness?

@simracinggarage3026

3 жыл бұрын

www.mcmaster.com/64875K62/ Use a 5/16 bolt for the center post.

Barry which dirt Track is that do you know?

How much did your setup cost

When you adjusted roll and were steering back and forth, you should actually be adjusting sway for this. Roll is for track bumps/kerbs/tilts. Sway is weight transfer of the car.

@kinitex

4 жыл бұрын

@@karoo_bushman6880 Interesting, I will try this tonight. What do you have your roll set to in axis assignments and tuning center value? Also are you using Extra2 or Heave in iracing for heave?

@PeterSosinski

3 жыл бұрын

@@karoo_bushman6880 good point. There are also lots of partial truths in this industry... ;-) The problem of motion representation is also very relative. 4 post systems try to synthesize multiple motion layers, usually from the relative point of the driver (G-forces experienced) So when you brake the vehicle pitches forward to indicate g-force, but it also pitches forward because of front spring compression. Both motion layers are overlayed on one another and doing two things. One is relative to the car; spring compression and the other is relative to the driver G-force. in a 5 or 6 DOF system with surge for example, its always better to give each actuator or axis a particular function. so that an F1 car doesn't feel like a boat trying to represent the high braking g-forces. its tricky. ;-)

Awesome. I know it is only car's channel, right? but... Do you know if this would this work with flight simulators too?

@simracinggarage3026

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, quite well.

Just wondering which pedal set are you using here with the PT Actuator 5DOF?

@simracinggarage3026

4 жыл бұрын

Wave Italy Impetus.

Is that high-pitch whistling noise coming from the motion sim?

Effin wild

Is your traction loss actuator operating backwards? When the back of the truck was sliding to the right the rig is moving to the left and vise versa. Just wondering, I'm new to all this and it just seems backwards to me. That's an epic rig by the way!

@simracinggarage3026

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I changed after shooting this particular footage once I saw it.

@jimcrackery8321

3 жыл бұрын

@@simracinggarage3026 Thanks for the reply, I was wondering if I was missing something. lol I really appreciate the work put into these videos and have learned *so* much from them! I have a Fanatec clubsport set up and want to get into a motion rig. I've been gaming since the 70's and it's crazy we can have this level of tech in our spare bedrooms now!

This set have the rumble feature that D Box have?

@PeterSosinski

3 жыл бұрын

it does not. they usually recommend but kickers, but given its an open community, I am sure they can add it. problem with tactile feedback is that it kills ball screws and actuators, hence you "need" quality parts, high frequency 50hz or more vibrations (like engine vibration) can ultimately pit the screws. D-BOX sources good ball screws but if look up the price of ball screws they are expensive for a reason. The chinese ones are a lot less, also for a reason, but I think in this application it might not apply as much as others.

Barry, I looked at your iRacing profile and was shocked to see you've barely done any races since 2012!?

@simracinggarage3026

4 жыл бұрын

I race in leagues.

@BobbyDuwitz

4 жыл бұрын

Sim Racing Garage pardon my ignorance! Love your videos.

But there's no motor pulling the belts right? It's just the movement itself, of the motion rig, that adds that "belt pulling" feel?

I wonder if he killed the mosquito at 1:18:42 lmao

It's a really impressive rig. However, I find there is a serious geometry issue. The problem is that heave movements affecting just one side of the virtual car are causing sway. That's because the rig is just too high...you can't eliminate that.

Barry, I've noticed you don't seem to use any tactile transducers. Given how advanced of a setup you are running is there a reason you aren't using any sort of transducer, or have you not gotten around to trying one yet? I would be interested in a review from you with your experience and format about these devices that are supposedly incredibly immersive for the price.

@tronicgr

4 жыл бұрын

No need for transducers, he mentions in the video he can feel all the road surface and curbs rambling...

@IntrepidRacer13

4 жыл бұрын

@@tronicgr Transducers add more than just road feel though. While it's true 4+ corner transducers may not be necessary with a 5DOF platform, I would imagine that there are still a large number of output channels that the motion platform isn't picking up or simply can't relay quickly enough. Each level down of motion is having to move more and more weight which naturally means it's ability to reach it's peak frequency. The information I have found regarding the frequency of this controller, which by the way is FAR too difficult to track down, is 1000Hz, which puts it right around the place of a midrange, and while that will be what is going to the actuator, there is going to be inherent loss as those actuators try to move that mass of the rig to match. A tactile transducer has a frequency range of 5-200Hz, which will get much lower frequencies than the PT actuators, with the added benefit of being able to mount directly to the seat or seat brackets, meaning that vibrations within the car will be felt. Things like gear shifts, engine speed, and numerous other channels that simply can't be replicated by higher frequency ranges will be felt and add to the immersive experience. It would also allow for more headroom across the system. By adding motion you reduce the amount of information the wheel needs to send you in an effort to compensate for a lack of feel, if you add transducers you reduce the amount of information needing to be sent to the motion platform. All of this means information and details are more isolated and as a result much clearer. I'm not saying the motion isn't already very communicative of what is going on with the car and the track, but there are still things that other solutions can improve upon.

@tronicgr

4 жыл бұрын

@@IntrepidRacer13 well I can replicate the D-Box vibration easy, but why? kzread.info/dash/bejne/eZ2M1LqJepnSaZs.html

@jingsu7196

4 жыл бұрын

​@@tronicgr SimTools v3是否支持振动？我已经购买了三轴，等待更好的结果。

20:00 what does KLM and FSW stand for?

@simracinggarage What is your hand brake brand and model?

@ErnieGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Looks like the Sim Handbrake from Heusinkveld.

what seq. shifter is that?

@simracinggarage3026

4 жыл бұрын

SimWorx. kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2p1sK5wo7CTk9I.html

Do they sell the seat belt system? Id like to try one with my NLR V3.

@LeaseACarOnline

4 жыл бұрын

They actually are developing a seat belt system now. It should be released soon. I would say within a month or so most likely.

@zcemy89

4 жыл бұрын

Very easy to add your own. Just buy a harness, and attach to the stationary part of your chassis with springs or rubber to give you some give. It is a very good addition- and cost about £30 for me (found the harness of ebay)

Do you sell it? :)

seeing the full capability of these systems would be nice.

Great review of the JCL Harness Tower. So when are we going to get Part 3 of the PT Actuator Review?

Is this made in China stuff actually safe? I'm sure the hardware is cheaper and functional enough but I don't know if I would trust it around friends and family.

You tell maybe to disdable sway in your video But then in long sweeping corners like the Parabolica on Monza sway neutralise roll so your car Goes down where the load is Example: when you disable sway and you go to turn 3 on Monza and stop there and put your right wheel on the highest curb then your front right Goes up, But when you go trough the parabolica corner Your chassis is going right side up and that is wrong! Therefore you must turn sway on because that corrects the roll so that when you go trough a corner the outside chassis dives Maybe i’am wrong because i use a other control system ( SFX-100 systeem with Simfeedback ) correct me then :-)

@wajdi1977

4 жыл бұрын

For me Sway is even more impressions than roll. Cars usually don’t roll that much speculative modem racing cars ( GT’s and open wheelers). Sway makes you feel the gforce on your body in high velocity corners and directions changing.

tip for ya barry, Pitch is heavily if not 90% Track related....trying to detune the brake feel with pitch is rather futile, the Track doesn't move under braking remember ; )

Berry, how does this compares to the Dbox? Price aside, witch would you recommend?

You should try it with VR.

Why are there no racing video's on youre channel? Do you have a second channel where we can watch you win races with this very expensive equipment?

@simracinggarage3026

4 жыл бұрын

Perhaps in the future when I have the time to stream. BTW, this expensive equipment will not make you win more races. But, it is very, very immersive.

@Mrrootsfull

4 жыл бұрын

Sim Racing Garage, I am a little bit jealous to be honest..... I know that it doesn't make you faster but it is very nice to play with expensive sim toys.

@PeterSosinski

3 жыл бұрын

@@simracinggarage3026 I concur. Time behind the wheel is more important. We have had a 6" D-BOX unit for a while on a light chassis. It's fun, but all our guys who play suck. lol.

Harness tower is great but how do you go about it when you slide the seat back and forth with a seat slider.. what adjustment do you need in that case?

@simracinggarage3026

3 жыл бұрын

I have enough space to slide the seat back to accommodate 6' 5" body so far. Belts are long enough to compensate. You can use longer profile pieces on the bottom where it mounts to the frame if you need more room.

Barry now that it's finished, when is the raffle starting. That's if you are not keeping it...

@tronicgr

4 жыл бұрын

I have a feeling this will be his regular rig from now on 😉

the website for the sim rig doesn't load for me. does anyone else have this problem?

Barry sound like joe exotics ex junkie film producer 😬

cant see the actuators lasting in this type of application.

@tronicgr

4 жыл бұрын

Funny. Mine lasted three years worse ( pre spike filter era ) and still going like new 😁

@1986alexpotter

4 жыл бұрын

Had mine since November, they get abused almost daily for a few hours. Not a single change in performance from day 1.

@user-fh2cw9mi5y

4 жыл бұрын

seen from experience with some actuators that small dithering movements can cause the seals to dry up inside the body and along the fescalised portion causing the seals to wear out prematurely in turn causing a leak.

@tronicgr

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-fh2cw9mi5y are your actuators sealed with oil in them? I mean the PT-ACTUATOR ones I use have silicone grease to avoid leaks and getting dry etc...

How the hell are you disliking the video when it's an hour n half long and the video only came out 18 minutes ago ...kmt

@danyalreyaz7503

4 жыл бұрын

Basically jealous pricks.

kinda makes my xbox360 wheel seem a bit out of date

for some reason i see dead pixels on Barry's monitors

Sooo, it it better, worse or the same as D-box? That's what everyone wants to know, unfortunately since the Direct drive wheel comparison review seems like everything reviewed is "good".

@peacemakermotion3949

4 жыл бұрын

i think if a product does its job and isn't a complete failure its classed as good and he leaves it up to the end user to make their decisions on which is better for them.. But i think its clear this system is better than dbox. For starters.. 250mm/s vs 100mm/s travel is masive

@ultimaevo77

4 жыл бұрын

@@peacemakermotion3949 I think you're not taking into account / have not felt the transducer effects of D-box which the other systems can't replicate. The extra speed of travel should be noticeable when crashing into a wall or bouncing at the bottom of a jump but not too sure at what other time a cars suspension will travel more than 10cm in 1 second, however Barry does know as he has tried all systems and it would be good to hear his thoughts.

@owner-builder

4 жыл бұрын

@@ultimaevo77 You can probably get the transducer effect with some extra gear and still save a bucket of money compared to the D-box system.

@peacemakermotion3949

4 жыл бұрын

@@ultimaevo77 suspension does that all the time, even more. 10cm in a second doesn't necessarily mean in one direction. going over a few bumps in the road the suspension can move up and down like 4 times in a second. so if your suspension travels up and down 3cm each way. thats 24cm of travel in a second. couple that with 10,000 Counts per revolution on the encoder/motor and you have excellent fidelity. something a transducer wishes it could replicate. Dont get me wrong, they help make up for the short fall in speed and work well in doing so but its a whole other level if you ask me.

@ultimaevo77

4 жыл бұрын

@@owner-builder I ran beefy transducers before I had D-box and the vibration isn't comparable unfortunately.

Too bulky but it looks like it works well

How much does this all this cost, there has to be a limit, and it looks complicated, and you would need a ladder to get into it. I will stick with my next level motion seat and Trak Racer tripple monitor stand, with my 40" screens and Thrustmaster base and Sparco wheel

honestly i would expect that this product, at such price point, would work out of the box with its own software without having to fiddle so much with external plugins/apps/softwares. Just my point of view however, feel free to disagree..

@wajdi1977

4 жыл бұрын

SimTools 3.00 is coming soon and it will be much much easy than 2.4.

@1986alexpotter

4 жыл бұрын

If you want plug and play, dbox is your answer, but they don't even make a comparable solution. If you decide to go with a dbox with 6" of stroke for just the four uprights you'd be looking at spending $35-40,000.

@tronicgr

4 жыл бұрын

What orions96cobra said...

@PeterSosinski

3 жыл бұрын

It's like Linux vs. Windows. yes its free but you need to spend excessive time to just plug in a printer (maybe extreme example), where as Windows just works, less the occasional blue screen of death.

@simracingstation

Awww ok. So the solution to sim rigs being too low to the ground for my taste it so setup a motion rig underneath it. I see. Ill just run it by my wife real quick. lol

I would just prefer a dof reality p6, this thing barely moves.

@wajdi1977

4 жыл бұрын

😂

@1986alexpotter

4 жыл бұрын

lol, no.

@rehakmate

4 жыл бұрын

@@1986alexpotter Do you not recommend dof reality?

@tronicgr

4 жыл бұрын

😅😅😅 good one... needed a laugh

Every year Barry buys an upgrade which seats him higher. Dare I to say napoleon complex?