PSA - The cheap record player mechanism to avoid

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This £5 component (or variants of it) is used in most novelty budget record players. That’s fair enough when you’ve paid only £30 for a player to listen to some worn old records as a bit of fun. Perhaps not so great when this same £5 component forms the heart of your £100+ record player bought to play new limited edition £25 vinyl albums.
It’s your choice how to spend your money - but it’s also nice to know exactly what it is you’re paying for and just how much care and attention as well as respect for you as a customer has been put into making the thing you’re paying your hard earned money for.
This video originally formed the end of this review of a budget 'DJ' Record player
• £89 Dual ‘DJ Turntable... - a few people asked for it to be uploaded separately.
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  • @Techmoan
    @Techmoan Жыл бұрын

    This £5 component (or variants of it) is used in most novelty budget record players. That’s fair enough when you’ve paid only £30 for a player to listen to some worn old records as a bit of fun. Perhaps not so great when this same £5 component forms the heart of your £100+ record player bought to play new limited edition £25 vinyl albums. It’s your choice how to spend your money - but it’s also nice to know exactly what it is you’re paying for and just how much care and attention as well as respect for you as a customer has been put into making the thing you’re paying your hard earned money for.

  • @nslouka90
    @nslouka903 жыл бұрын

    Techmoan moaning about tech, I can finally rest in peace.

  • @Fluteboy

    @Fluteboy

    3 жыл бұрын

    "Eee, they don't make 'em like they did when I were a kid! There ain't nowt like a Garrard!"

  • @StefanConstantinDumitrache

    @StefanConstantinDumitrache

    3 жыл бұрын

    More like bemoaning. It ain't like he's having an orgasm about this one.

  • @hermannabt8361

    @hermannabt8361

    3 жыл бұрын

    Huh, this whole time I thought his channel is called 'Technoman'.

  • @RenaissanceEarCandy

    @RenaissanceEarCandy

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@hermannabt8361 I thought the same for quite a while

  • @davereichert

    @davereichert

    3 жыл бұрын

    This should be a new series - seriously proper "Moan" videos.

  • @AmEv7fam
    @AmEv7fam3 жыл бұрын

    "The record that they bought is worth more than the record player that they put it on." That's LPL levels of savagery.

  • @pokehybridtrainer

    @pokehybridtrainer

    3 жыл бұрын

    Made me think of Street Fighter the movie. "This money isn't worth the paper it's printed on!"

  • @Gappasaurus

    @Gappasaurus

    3 жыл бұрын

    “Okay folks, obviously this is a product that should be avoided. In any case, that’s all i have for you today...” 😄

  • @benholroyd5221

    @benholroyd5221

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@pokehybridtrainer from the film that isn't worth the celluloid its printed on.

  • @pokehybridtrainer

    @pokehybridtrainer

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@benholroyd5221 Surprisingly went plus years later with cable TV airings giving royalties to Capcom. A "good bad" movie for sure.

  • @Ebani

    @Ebani

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@benholroyd5221 Wdym? It's such a cult classic full of culture, you have to be blind to not see it's real potential.

  • @redgrain3914
    @redgrain39143 жыл бұрын

    Me, looking over at the mechanism on my record player: ...Uh oh.

  • @jarlrise

    @jarlrise

    3 жыл бұрын

    Me, looking over at my scratched up Technics SL5... Yea, keeping that one until it breaks beyond repair :)

  • @xaenon

    @xaenon

    3 жыл бұрын

    Don't despair. I agree with Techmoan that they're inexpensive and kind of nasty, but...! You *CAN* improve them, or at least, inexpensively move upward. This is a segment from a longer video he produced about a Dual-branded turntable that you could buy for very little money. He's in the UK, so he spoke of it being 89 British pounds, but a Crosley C100 here in the US is the very same thing and it goes for about $150. Target (yes, the department store) has their own brand of turntable called the Heyday that's also quite good for just a hair under 100USD. Both, of course, require an external amplifier and speakers (the Heyday also features Bluetooth 'transmit' capability).

  • @erwintimmerman6466

    @erwintimmerman6466

    3 жыл бұрын

    If you've been happy with it, that's all what matters. It can sound better, yes. And it does wear out your records a bit faster. But if you're not collecting rare stuff and are happy with its performance, don't let anyone talk you into not being happy with it when you previously were. Just know that if you ever get annoyed by its quality, there are better options available.

  • @festival3051

    @festival3051

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hahaha

  • @awitcheskid

    @awitcheskid

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jonathanchampagne7683 No, they really don't. VWestlife has a video on it, and my friend has one with a few minor modifications and it sounds fine.

  • @warci
    @warci3 жыл бұрын

    got stung on this one: gave my sister a record player for her birthday and didn't want to cheap out so thought I'd spend a little money. 200€ later this piece of garbage arrived in a shiny silver housing with a dead brand name on it. I wish this video existed a few years ago because I still curse that plastic joke every time I see it at her place.

  • @ptonpc

    @ptonpc

    3 жыл бұрын

    Burn it...

  • @warci

    @warci

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ptonpc I'm not worried, the way it's shoddily built it will probably self-combust and burn her house down anyway

  • @ptonpc

    @ptonpc

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@warci Probably for the best.

  • @bend1483

    @bend1483

    3 жыл бұрын

    200€!?!

  • @warci

    @warci

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@bend1483 yup, thanks Denon!

  • @kalleguld
    @kalleguld3 жыл бұрын

    Good idea to have this as a separate video, so it's easy to send a link for it.

  • @Asterra2

    @Asterra2

    3 жыл бұрын

    PSA: In cases lacking such convenience, find your timestamp, right-click the video, "Copy video URL at current time". This is also a quick way to get the shortened URL in general (youtu.be/etc.)

  • @MonaichFother

    @MonaichFother

    3 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y419updmc9rOobA.html

  • @arthurwight7326
    @arthurwight73263 жыл бұрын

    Heavy tracking weight, el cheapo ceramic cartrige not good. But the disaster that awaits is more subtle. One of the ways that makers pull cost from these units is to fit a sapphire tip to the cartrige rather than a diamond. Diamond = expense, sapphire = cheap alternative that initially performs just the same. However, a sapphire tip can exhibit noticeable wear after only 20 hours of use and slowly turns from a smooth groove rider into a sharp edged chisel for vinyl. Back in the 80's these sapphire equipped units were derisively known as cheese graters for their terminal effect on anything played on them. There is no easy way for a average punter to distinguish easily what tip is fitted so best to assume the worst. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid.

  • @2999michaeljackson

    @2999michaeljackson

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@andygozzo72 Where do you get these? Would love to replace mine!

  • @sellmeyoursoul6601

    @sellmeyoursoul6601

    3 жыл бұрын

    On the other hand, we have all the information we need, before I bought and started using my TT I read for a few days so I knew about styluses, carts, tracking force etc. Its a crime to say "wow I din't know" in the 21st century

  • @dougbrowning82

    @dougbrowning82

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@andygozzo72 The better suitcase players had stacking record changers that could play 6 to 12 records at a time. Same as those big, heavy, credenza consoles, still, with a ceramic cartridge tracking around 6 grams. Think of a Stack-O-Matic, only made of metal parts.

  • @Denislolful

    @Denislolful

    3 жыл бұрын

    Bought an ion deck from Best Buy with this same tonearm over a decade ago as my first turntable. Playing the records I had on heavy rotation back then on my technics now are unlistenable, skips all the way through

  • @VicvicW

    @VicvicW

    3 жыл бұрын

    Usually the tracking force on these ain't too bad (at least within manufacturer specs for the records themselves.) But yeah, the carts are ATROCIOUS. Swap that out when you get it, not too bad. Wouldn't spend more than £20 on anything with that mechanism tho

  • @ordinosaurs
    @ordinosaurs3 жыл бұрын

    4 minutes of unedited rant, what a wonderful treat !

  • @andreasu.3546

    @andreasu.3546

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's not a rant, it's a public service anouncement.

  • @buddyrevell6369

    @buddyrevell6369

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's a peaceful protest against junk audio!

  • @MuscarV2

    @MuscarV2

    3 жыл бұрын

    The immense idiocy of your comment is almost scary. You're wrong on every part. 1. The video is 4 minutes, the rant is not. 2. It very much isn't unedited, that's seriously astounding how you fail to understand that. 3. Your grammar is so bad it's cringe inducing. Especially the space before the exclamation mark... Just, why?

  • @ordinosaurs

    @ordinosaurs

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MuscarV2 : "You're wrong on every part" That's called "advertising hype". "...the space before the exclamation mark... Just, why?" Because I'm not from the UK and not all countries follow the same typographic rules. That's why. You say Pot-Aye-to and I say Pot-A-to, and all that sort of things.

  • @tcmtv001

    @tcmtv001

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@craigjensen6853 I don’t know if you’re talking about ranting or... You know what, never mind. I’m not gonna ask

  • @catfish552
    @catfish5523 жыл бұрын

    The vinyl-playing cousin of that one last cassette mech. Pops up everywhere in a ton of disguises, always the same crap inside.

  • @mattgreen5351
    @mattgreen53513 жыл бұрын

    I love Matt's withering distain for poor-quality stuff. As others have said, this is a PROPER MOAN. Great stuff!

  • @ncot_tech

    @ncot_tech

    3 жыл бұрын

    We need a second channel called "Proper Moans" with just the short edited rants in it.

  • @bansheemania1692
    @bansheemania16923 жыл бұрын

    My dad was Going to Buy one..He has All Original PRESSINGS. I was Like NO NO NO NO... Ended up finding a decent one with a Set of Speakers. 89usd

  • @CarlosPerezChavez

    @CarlosPerezChavez

    3 жыл бұрын

    Original pressings!! OMG.

  • @ccadam

    @ccadam

    2 жыл бұрын

    Surprisingly so many people from the era of vinyl don't know much about different types of turntables. I guess it wasn't that different back then. So many cheap crappy record players with ceramic cartridges. There should be more better ones now when it's a niche market.

  • @AKADriver
    @AKADriver3 жыл бұрын

    These cheap players remind me of the Fisher-Price record player we had as kids. It was a real record player and built to about this level of quality, but it was explicitly marketed as a toy. Now they're being sold to adults who want to get started collecting vinyl and are too young to remember the Fisher-Price record player. :)

  • @computeraidedworld1148

    @computeraidedworld1148

    3 жыл бұрын

    Was it tan on the outside and white inside with an orange platter?

  • @AKADriver

    @AKADriver

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@computeraidedworld1148 Mine was blue but yeah, it's the same one.

  • @JG-to8sp

    @JG-to8sp

    3 жыл бұрын

    I don’t even mean this sarcastically, the fisher price mechanism is a far sturdier piece of engineering.

  • @computeraidedworld1148

    @computeraidedworld1148

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@JG-to8sp I was going to say. We still got ours. It's not bad at all for a toy.

  • @JG-to8sp

    @JG-to8sp

    3 жыл бұрын

    Computer Aided World I hadn’t realised Fisher Price had built an actual real record player, I was referring to the proper kids toy, with the chunky plastic discs, the arm on that was hefty!

  • @andreasu.3546
    @andreasu.35463 жыл бұрын

    Two Techmoan videos in one day. 2021 is bound to be a good year!

  • @chartle1

    @chartle1

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yea the second is really just a clip show. 😉

  • @Bigbadwhitecracker

    @Bigbadwhitecracker

    3 жыл бұрын

    Aside from Techmoan, no it's been shitty and worse than 2020 already.

  • @stevesstuff1450

    @stevesstuff1450

    3 жыл бұрын

    I agree completely! :-) I only 'liked' this comment as someone had taken it over 42 - it would have sacrilege to me to mar the ultimate answer, but it had already been done, so I took it to 44... ;-)

  • @grizzlydino

    @grizzlydino

    2 жыл бұрын

    Unpopular opinion: 2021 was pretty good

  • @HerbstaMagus
    @HerbstaMagus3 жыл бұрын

    "This record player mechanism is rubbish! I bought ten of them to demonstrate..." hhaha

  • @Musicradio77Network

    @Musicradio77Network

    3 жыл бұрын

    It’s a part unit, so you can mod a tonearm into one of the those vintage kiddie record players to play it. I have my GE Show ‘n Tell where the cartridge is shot, and the tonearm doesn’t have any screws, so I decided to replace it with a decent tonearm to track records pretty well.

  • @paullee5573

    @paullee5573

    3 жыл бұрын

    If you pay low money you get low product. Quit whining.

  • @TransistorBased
    @TransistorBased4 ай бұрын

    I've got one built into a suitcase with Bluetooth functionality. Sound quality and speakers are all right for just listening to music while cleaning or doing stuff around the house. What I did like though is that you can adjust each of the records speeds individually. So I was able to get it dialed in by just pitch correcting a record against a digital version of the song. It's definitely not hifi but it does the job.

  • @bald_engineer
    @bald_engineer3 жыл бұрын

    Segment at 3:11 was the best thing ever! Still laughing out loud.

  • @moneyprofessional

    @moneyprofessional

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yep hilarious. Had to rewind and watch it again. Hilarious and I'm sure very true.

  • @the20thDoctor
    @the20thDoctor3 жыл бұрын

    Me, looking over at my Victrola: "Aw crap..."

  • @Techmoan

    @Techmoan

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm sure you'll be happy to know your that your trust in a long long long dead brand name helped make one chap become a millionaire www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2018/08/06/vinyl-visionary-how-a-digital-dealmaker-revived-victrola/?sh=dea3abe4dee2

  • @ccadam

    @ccadam

    2 жыл бұрын

    Craptrola radiotvphononut calls them

  • @sbrazenor2
    @sbrazenor23 жыл бұрын

    Vwestlife made a similar video about these previously. He did mention part of the problem is the cartridge. They're like a cheap ceramic, which there are old pre-amps for, but they otherwise sound like crap with the imcompatible pre-amp.

  • @wisteela

    @wisteela

    3 жыл бұрын

    Exactly. The one in my 1988 Philips midi system actually sounds good. It's sprung mount too.

  • @1979starscream

    @1979starscream

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also they mounted the cheapest needle ever made, a sub par chuo denshi clone!

  • @beetooex

    @beetooex

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's really useful to know. Thanks.

  • @RWBHere

    @RWBHere

    3 жыл бұрын

    You can hear the difference in audio quality from an LP if you have used it on a good deck, and then play it once on a bad deck and finally play it on a good deck again. The difference in sound is the damage that the nasty cartridge and deck have done. I have around 500 LP's, some of them from the 1950’s, and in near perfect condition, and wouldn't play any of them on one of those nasty decks.

  • @Tedybear315

    @Tedybear315

    3 жыл бұрын

    He also tried to defend the turn table as not being "junk" and the fact the stylus/tone arm was on the upper end of way to much tracking force wasn't an issue and wouldn't destroy records. Which of course is complete 'rubbish' statement. All the local vintage vinyl stores will tell it's customers never to buy one of those "crap in a box" for that reason. But VWestlife said "no problem...." and sense he's got a following, people believe him. Main reason why I un-sub'd from his channel. He lost a lot of credibility. That's like telling people that the "YUGO" was a decent car!

  • @russputin6294
    @russputin62943 жыл бұрын

    Good rule of thumb is avoid ceramic / piezo pick-up cartridges. A moving magnet cartridge (usually evidenced by the two retaining screws in the head-shell) really is a minimum standard.

  • @ccadam

    @ccadam

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not all moving magnet cartridges have the standard 2 screw half inch spaced mount. Some turntables with similar thin aluminium tonearms and non adjustable counterweights have the magnetic cartridge glued, screwed or clipped to the headshell.

  • @seadragon1012
    @seadragon10123 жыл бұрын

    well great just checked my record player and guess what it has. What a lovely thing to find out on my birthday! I've been wanting a better one anyway, now I have a good excuse.

  • @bobblum5973
    @bobblum59733 жыл бұрын

    "A turntable so bad, you shouldn't even play a chocolate record on it, because it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth!" 😉

  • @htgaines
    @htgaines3 жыл бұрын

    i remember the old cheap 70s compact stereos that would include a relatively inexpensive phonograph mechanism from BSR, but they were worlds away better than this. Thanks for making people aware.

  • @michaelmcdonald2348

    @michaelmcdonald2348

    3 жыл бұрын

    Even the last cheap BSR idler drive decks had a spring to adjust the weight and the arm had a metal sleeve bearing. I remember we bought an Amstrad tower in the early 80's and chose the Belt Drive model. The deck was no better than the crap shown here and lasted about a year before the speed switch went flaky.

  • @eblackadder3

    @eblackadder3

    2 жыл бұрын

    I would go to a second hand store and buy an old 1970s BSR compact unit before I would EVER throw money away on a "Crosley" or 'Victrola" POS. It's an insult to those respected old names (How did RCA Trademark Management or Sony Music Entertainment manage not to retain the Victrola trademark?).

  • @gamerfreakUK
    @gamerfreakUK2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this video. I have some limited edition vinyl from a little-known artist shipping from the States to here in the UK and I’ve never owned my own record player before. I’m not looking to spending a huge amount of money on a vinyl record player & speakers and saw some great looking suitcase-style players on eBay and Facebook Marketplace. The prices fit what I wanted my budget to be very well and came on here to look up reviews on them. Your video was the first one I tapped on and I’m very glad I did as the last thing I want is for the records to be damaged in any way. Again, thank you so much for making us less-knowledgable folk aware of the issue.

  • @TeaObvious
    @TeaObvious3 жыл бұрын

    Watched the original video, but it was worth to be watched again. If not just alone to convince the algorithm.

  • @AcheForWake

    @AcheForWake

    3 жыл бұрын

    Same here

  • @telefonbarmann4514
    @telefonbarmann45143 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for pointing this out!

  • @Andystonemusic
    @Andystonemusic3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. I have reposted it on my fb page to warn people adding that: if you are on a tight budget is to buy some thing second hand ANYTHING but of of these! (Even the autochangers from the 50s &60s were 10x better!)

  • @ccadam

    @ccadam

    2 жыл бұрын

    The auto changers often had better arms especially on the top of the line models. Better cartridges too. Some magnetic.

  • @jeremytravis360
    @jeremytravis3603 жыл бұрын

    I love your straight forward approach Mat.

  • @MichaelWilson-fg9df
    @MichaelWilson-fg9df3 жыл бұрын

    thank you for creating and editing this short-form PSA. This is the linkable sort of thing that can help rebut against the garbage recommendations.

  • @j.resihead1835
    @j.resihead18353 жыл бұрын

    The thought of putting one of my records on one of these makes me cringe.

  • @Rutherford_Inchworm_III
    @Rutherford_Inchworm_III3 жыл бұрын

    *unless you enjoy disappointment HAH, joke's on you! 2020 turned me into a masochist.

  • @bjornnilsson8352

    @bjornnilsson8352

    3 жыл бұрын

    Funniest comment on the interwebs for the day LOL

  • @StairStealer
    @StairStealer3 жыл бұрын

    My first (and only) record player uses one of these. I got it for about $30 Canadian, including shipping. It's served me well and I think I got value for my money, although my hearing isn't great having spent just a little too much time in drumlines, so I'm just as happy with a terrible cassette player as the best hifi systems. It was just neat seeing how the mechanism works, and gaining experience using one.

  • @GarudaPhoenix
    @GarudaPhoenix3 жыл бұрын

    Well said as always. No snobbery, just an honest and truthful summary. 👍👍

  • @stevemorris187
    @stevemorris1873 жыл бұрын

    Superb rant and great information for people who didn't grow up in the golden age of hifi (1970's/80's).

  • @OrangeHarrisonRB3
    @OrangeHarrisonRB33 жыл бұрын

    I always thought these existed to take advantage of hipsters who want a "vinyls player" just for cred.

  • @Thievius333

    @Thievius333

    3 жыл бұрын

    @James Doolittle Or LPs, but yes. I also HATE when I find out the record I just bought is bright purple or green or whetever. So dumb.

  • @OrangeHarrisonRB3

    @OrangeHarrisonRB3

    3 жыл бұрын

    @James Doolittle way to miss the point, grandpa

  • @ccadam

    @ccadam

    2 жыл бұрын

    Probably why a lot of girls buy them.

  • @ccadam

    @ccadam

    2 жыл бұрын

    Might be the final time they play their vinyls if they keep skipping or worst still get scratched up.

  • @TheWeirdAlley

    @TheWeirdAlley

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ccadam internet is full of sexists and you are one of them

  • @Space_Debris
    @Space_Debris3 жыл бұрын

    There's nearly nothing better selling this video than the thumbnail! Excellent!

  • @maverick_motors_
    @maverick_motors_3 жыл бұрын

    So glad you made a video on this that's short! Now whenever I say to someone, don't buy something cheap and bad I can show them this!

  • @berkkarsi
    @berkkarsi Жыл бұрын

    My parents bought me a record player with this cheap mechanism as a Christmas present for 2022. My heart sank.

  • @romandjma.recordplayers7806
    @romandjma.recordplayers78063 жыл бұрын

    I've never agreed with a rant so much

  • @SparkyDabs
    @SparkyDabs3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for making this! I will be sending this video to many people in the future haha

  • @dr_jaymz
    @dr_jaymz3 жыл бұрын

    I found a linear tracking Technics for spares or repair for little more than that. Threw the cracked top away and put the belt back on which had come off, gave it a good clean and a bit of clean grease and that was all it needed. It sounds better than my ears. It somehow makes how it works visible to the children - they can see and feel the music on the disc - that is magic.

  • @nutsnproud6932
    @nutsnproud69323 жыл бұрын

    This is a cost reduced clone of a 1980s turntable by BSR.

  • @chickenfizz

    @chickenfizz

    3 жыл бұрын

    Do you know which model BSR? They made some bad players but I don't remember seeing one as bad as this.

  • @HowardLeVert

    @HowardLeVert

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@chickenfizz Have a look here - suggested it's a P284: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y419updmc9rOobA.html

  • @MrWolfenz

    @MrWolfenz

    3 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y419updmc9rOobA.html&ab_channel=VWestlife

  • @roland985
    @roland9853 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Techmoan!

  • @wisteela
    @wisteela3 жыл бұрын

    An excellent PSA. Vwestlife recently did a video about the origins of these. I've got a 1988 Philips Midi System that has one of the original ones of these. It's most like a BSR. The thing is, it actually sounds rather good. It helps that mine is even sprung mount.

  • @unclemarksdiyauto
    @unclemarksdiyauto3 жыл бұрын

    Good info especially for first time buyers. Spend a little more and get something that will not harm your precious vinyl. Turntable should be worth more than the record! I remember in the old days going to a hifi shop and getting the tour of what was available and actually getting to hear the differences. (really the best way to buy)

  • @Doggies-Galore
    @Doggies-Galore3 жыл бұрын

    Two techmoan videos in one day. It’s a New Year’s miracle

  • @netsurferx1
    @netsurferx13 жыл бұрын

    'Least you vinyl enthusiasts have a choice. Meanwhile, us audiocassette enthusiasts over here are stuck with the nasty Tanashin mechanism.

  • @1008md

    @1008md

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's true, I have a new Sony boombox (the one you will find at walmart) as well a sony walkman (made mid 90's I assume) I am hoping with tapes continuing to grow year after year that it a decent player will surface. Unfortunately by the time that happens (if it does) the tape bubble will crash and labels will quite making tapes...

  • @mrrgstuff
    @mrrgstuff3 жыл бұрын

    Well said. As you say its all too easy to buy one of these. There aren't very many other options. I have played with a few of these and I think only the speed and autostop are adjustable. I also get lots of comments on my videos asking for help as people often run into problems with them. Thanks 😀 👍

  • @WildBluntHickok
    @WildBluntHickok3 жыл бұрын

    The night before this was posted I saw a turntable with this mechanism in a bin by the curb outside someone's house. I considered dragging it home and trying to fix it. Glad I was too lazy to bring it home.

  • @cowcrapper
    @cowcrapper3 жыл бұрын

    Show this to every would be vinyl buyer. Glad you made it a separate thing as well.

  • @thatrecord5313
    @thatrecord53133 жыл бұрын

    I got a Victrola-Crosley as my first record player, I was a poor kid and that was high quality. But 5 years later, I bought a much better turntable... I don't know why I've been missing out all this time!

  • @sourgrapekate1003
    @sourgrapekate10033 жыл бұрын

    I ran over to my Sony to see if it was that mechanism. I paid around $75 for mine, so I was worried. I lifted up the plastic mat and was surprised to see metal underneath instead of plastic. I was fully expecting to find that plastic mechanism. I even was looking at direct drive turntables online! Glad to know I’m not abusing my vinyl too much.

  • @DickDawsonTheShills
    @DickDawsonTheShills3 жыл бұрын

    Been expecting this one for a while. Good work.

  • @michaelallard5324
    @michaelallard53243 жыл бұрын

    Well, I can't complain too much. I own 2 Technics TTs that I love but I also own some albums that I can't play on those due to slight warps and imperfections that I missed seeing when I bought them at secondhand stores. Wife bought me a Crosley Cruiser and I did find some benefits out of it because I play those records without a care in the world. Those imperfections don't seem to matter to that cheap mechanism Techmoan talks about. And you can get some decent sounds out of it when it is paired with decent electronics. My first stereo when I was a kid had slightly more tracking force than those cheap mechanisms and my vinyl collection then was fine, no damage.

  • @HughRaine
    @HughRaine3 жыл бұрын

    When you recognise your beloved little record player in the video and it's trash...

  • @WalrusFPGA
    @WalrusFPGA3 жыл бұрын

    good idea making this into its own video. good info given how common these scat platters are.

  • @ronnyb5890
    @ronnyb58903 жыл бұрын

    yep youre quite right Matt, im not worried, i still have my orange looking TEAC record player from back then, the best record players however are the ones that have quartz direct drive motors, but these now cost an arm and a leg,i keep my turntable until all my records are converted in digital format,preferably FLAC,cheers

  • @slotec
    @slotec3 жыл бұрын

    this made me love my philips 222 even more.

  • @DANGERTIM112
    @DANGERTIM1123 жыл бұрын

    Shame that we dont have the 80/90's tech these days anymore in manufacturering, and most products being designed for tossing away when a new model comes out.

  • @daftbence

    @daftbence

    3 жыл бұрын

    Turns out this one was designed mid 80s. Who woulda thought?

  • @Kalvinjj

    @Kalvinjj

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@daftbence looks to me like they just recycled the design tho and kept cheapening it out more and more till we got to... this. I mean, not like they didn't have awful cheap crap back then either, just the race for the bottom never ends.

  • @bradjones1977

    @bradjones1977

    3 жыл бұрын

    The Sony (of all people!) one I had in the mid 90s was one of these. That telltale line on the top of the head section of the tonearm. It was like listening to an AM radio underwater. Probably.

  • @donpalmera

    @donpalmera

    3 жыл бұрын

    Would you want a smartphone made with 80/90s *superior* manufacturing? No, it would be the same size as luggage and need it's own set of wheels. Other than certain companies, like Apple, it's not that things are being made with the explicit intention of being non-user serviceable it's that not even the smallest Chinese child labor hands can service modern stuff outside of replacing complex components entirely.

  • @nvo7024

    @nvo7024

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@donpalmera Well of course complex components like processors or memory ICs or touchsreens must be replaced entirely. That's not new, a dead vacuum tube had to be replaced in its entirety too. And by 1980s we already had mass-market microprocessors and FL displays that were just as "serviceable" as iphone processors or touchscreens.

  • @RobGMyMX5
    @RobGMyMX53 жыл бұрын

    They've been making these for many years, both in belt drive and direct drive variations. I have a direct drive version which I bought in the 90s as a young DJ with "Reloop" branding. It still works fine, even today, although the strobe is a bit temperamental now. Everything else still works perfectly though, and that's after lugging it around to gigs for many years. I did upgrade the stylus to a proper DJ one.

  • @JarkkoLaitinen211
    @JarkkoLaitinen211 Жыл бұрын

    Straight words, straight to the point. Very good video.

  • @todanielharrow
    @todanielharrow3 жыл бұрын

    Oh damn I think my record player has one of these mechanisms 😅

  • @weirdproq
    @weirdproq3 жыл бұрын

    3:15 My favorite part. LOL!

  • @fox-in-the-green
    @fox-in-the-green3 жыл бұрын

    I have Technics record player manufactured around 1979, I bought it as used (obviously) a few years ago and it works as a new.

  • @chrisbaker121924
    @chrisbaker1219243 жыл бұрын

    Couldn’t agree more... the amount of people who are like “omg I just love vinyl, CDs and tapes and streaming are awful I only listen to vinyl blah blah, look at my record deck...” and it’s one of these effin things built into some retro box with tiny useless speakers. Literally would have been better off with a couple of cheap second hand reasonably sized speakers and an amp streaming music from your phone.

  • @AmigaA-or2hj
    @AmigaA-or2hj3 жыл бұрын

    They’re fine for playing 78s.

  • @theomacer3094
    @theomacer30943 жыл бұрын

    PSA: How the turntables have turned

  • @chartle1
    @chartle13 жыл бұрын

    I was in a huge furniture store yesterday and a console record player caught my eye and then recalled this video and took some pics. And while the design was slightly different but the straight arm, the switches and placement of the 45 adapter where the same.

  • @spoffproduction
    @spoffproduction3 жыл бұрын

    Short and sweet! :D I ♥ your work!

  • @chriso2705
    @chriso27053 жыл бұрын

    Oooh! A double feature today.

  • @imploud
    @imploud3 жыл бұрын

    3:16 - "and they go: HufFuhH, aNd thEY'r beING veRy caRRefoul witH IT"

  • @Wolficefang

    @Wolficefang

    3 жыл бұрын

    I love how he just puts it down haphazardly after that.

  • @Nikoxion
    @Nikoxion3 жыл бұрын

    Great idea to make this a separate piece!

  • @bigmouthstrikesagain4056
    @bigmouthstrikesagain40563 жыл бұрын

    Once again a great and informative video as always.

  • @shardlake
    @shardlake3 жыл бұрын

    Watched this despite watching the original, do like a good TM rant, and in this case will save you wasting your money, bonus!

  • @mwiz100
    @mwiz1003 жыл бұрын

    I cannot tell you how many of my friends I see posting on social media about their records and they have a Crosley, which I just looked on their site and HALF the units they sell have this exact piece of trash in them. OOooofff.

  • @haroldalexis4200
    @haroldalexis42003 жыл бұрын

    Wow, what comments! It's a shame that the older models like BSR went away from England & later sold to China! The later equipment that you reviewed cheapened the quàlity of the former brand. I fortunately saved a metal platter version that survives to this day with a much better quality tone arm chrome metal plays well. Not a Technics or Audio Technica but 3 adjustable record sizes. I didn't pay much for it but it was well worth it, oh I forgot to mention it's a convertible record changer minus the umbrella spindle. A good cartridge heavy motor but I love it! Believe me I collected them for years. I respect your opinion on this chassis model believe me I understand that 100%.👍

  • @780brando
    @780brando3 жыл бұрын

    Its unbelievable how great a record can sound on a good solid turntable with a good cart, amp, & speakers. Its fing amazing.

  • @PabloBD
    @PabloBD3 жыл бұрын

    We clearly need more vintage techmoan family photos

  • @junglejamesie
    @junglejamesie3 жыл бұрын

    I had one of these mechanisms in an Amstrad "hi-fi" in 1988, except it was even cheaper and nastier than this one. The "tonearm" was completely plastic instead of the metal tube shown here. Alan Michael Sugar obviously keen to save even more pennies. That was the last time I wasted money on crap hifi. Bought a cheap set of proper components from Richer Sounds and have never looked back. Depressing to see these cheap mechanisms so abundant today, they should've been consigned to histories dumping ground.

  • @timlarabee1710
    @timlarabee17103 жыл бұрын

    So funny. When I saw the original video and thought it would be great to have a separate video with the psa. I had people reach out to me during the holidays to buy record players. Thos sums up why not to be the cheap ones.

  • @JF-em6hr
    @JF-em6hr3 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate the information. Thanks.

  • @linusevosonic
    @linusevosonic3 жыл бұрын

    First thing my mom bought from her first wage was a Dual record player. She always tells me they builded the best record players here in germany.

  • @elderherrera2238

    @elderherrera2238

    3 жыл бұрын

    Nice, great TT. They were called Dual because they had a wind up motor as well as an electric. They're an excellent and overlooked TT. I had about 5 of them. They're fun to work with. I know the ins and out.

  • @clementinefart5982
    @clementinefart59823 жыл бұрын

    "The record that they bought is worth more than the record player that they put it on.". Me with a record player with that exact mechanism: yeah that's about right

  • @reedolightningweaver2732
    @reedolightningweaver27325 ай бұрын

    I get that the mechanism is cheap, but with so many vinyl enthusiasts dissing on them, I’d love to see a thorough breakdown of how their cheapness impacts audio output, and ideally a digital recording of the audio output from one of these cheapos and from a better turntable so we could hear the difference for ourselves. Kinda surprised nobody had done that already, but I can’t seem to find one.

  • @thatradiogeek

    @thatradiogeek

    5 ай бұрын

    I've been looking for the same thing. Everyone says these things are bad, but no one explains exactly WHY these things are supposedly so bad. The one I have works well enough. It's not amazing but it does what I need it to do.

  • @nickmoschetti2977
    @nickmoschetti29773 жыл бұрын

    I really enjoy watching ur videos always insightful with good knowledge

  • @chrisp7570
    @chrisp75703 жыл бұрын

    My daughter bought one in a “suitcase”. Measured 9 grams of tracking force. Ouch!

  • @CatGoomba64
    @CatGoomba643 жыл бұрын

    I actually have one of these (or a very similar model, looks nearly identical but has a few subtle differences), and while yeah it works fine most of the time, there's a few things that really urk me. The sound quality, usually is very tinny, however sometimes it sounds completely fine. May vary by the record, I don't entirely know. However, the needle itself is utter garbage and feels beyond flimsy. It's served me well but I'll be ditching it in the coming months for something a little nicer now that I actually have some money

  • @transtar_lexington
    @transtar_lexington Жыл бұрын

    Fun fact- These mechs started out as low end BSR changers back in the early 80s. Similar to the Tanashin cassette mechanism, this BSR turntable mech has been transferred between several companies over the years, getting cheaper along the way.

  • @monsirto
    @monsirto3 жыл бұрын

    Great PSA. Nothing wrong with a Golden Age CDC, Sony, Akai or Aiwa semi-automatic, if you want a cheap turntable that does the job. Quite few reconditioned ones floating around most places, most of the time.

  • @cjmarsh504
    @cjmarsh5043 жыл бұрын

    That turntable you reviewed, was a pretty decent for the money.

  • @Sun-ut9gr

    @Sun-ut9gr

    3 жыл бұрын

    No, it wasn't. That was the whole point of the video.

  • @ElectromasterTech

    @ElectromasterTech

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Sun-ut9gr OP is talking about the turntable from the previous video, the Dual one

  • @fortherecord1569
    @fortherecord15693 жыл бұрын

    It IS a "toy" isn't it? Its like an RC car. Yes it drives, but it you shouldn't actually try to USE it for transportation!

  • @danielarturofajardojaramil4393
    @danielarturofajardojaramil43933 жыл бұрын

    I love turntables. Thanks for the advice and also thanks for all your vids, they are great

  • @whatsthatjeff4901
    @whatsthatjeff49013 жыл бұрын

    Great video, keep them coming!

  • @Claro1993
    @Claro19933 жыл бұрын

    @VWestlife created a video regarding the history of this turntable mechanism.

  • @igorszamaszow171

    @igorszamaszow171

    3 жыл бұрын

    At least the turntables VWestlife showed had full-sized platters. Here's his video btw kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y419updmc9rOobA.html

  • @SproutyPottedPlant
    @SproutyPottedPlant3 жыл бұрын

    I saw fellow YungBlud fans in Facebook complaining about their new records from the band's shop skipping I guess their players had those mechs in and the records were fine! I bought the CD.

  • @michaelmcdonald2348

    @michaelmcdonald2348

    3 жыл бұрын

    Saw one myself a while back saying new record skipping. When asked what he was playing it on he replied GPO.

  • @katho8472

    @katho8472

    3 жыл бұрын

    And now show them a video of the (real!) Dual taking the cigarette test and "off center" test and a Dual playing in a vertical or even upside down position...

  • @katho8472

    @katho8472

    3 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/doJ3mKVyibfcnLQ.html

  • @laranaarana
    @laranaarana3 жыл бұрын

    Boy! I am glad to have my Realistic turntable from 1985 in great working condition!

  • @livingmaga6299
    @livingmaga62993 жыл бұрын

    I just bought Denon 47f from Japan because of your past review. 👍 Strange package smelled like fine Cigars when it arrived lol!

  • @Sampler19
    @Sampler193 жыл бұрын

    This video would be perfect for some kind of second PSA channel called "Technoman"!

  • @RWBHere

    @RWBHere

    3 жыл бұрын

    I like what you did there. 😉👍

  • @Sampler19

    @Sampler19

    3 жыл бұрын

    I almost forgot he's alreeady got his "KZread Pedant" channel with the HD material of New York City from 1993 in HD (DTheater DVHS Demo Tape).

  • @haywoodjablome440
    @haywoodjablome4403 жыл бұрын

    *sigh* my wife just bought one of these. No receipt.

  • @ynotw57
    @ynotw573 жыл бұрын

    Two new Techmoan videos in one day?! It’s like Christmas!

  • @beveradamab1
    @beveradamab13 жыл бұрын

    This was great information. Thanks!

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