Thanks for watching spare parts army! Code is TASK and link is magicspoon.com/task for $5 off Let me know what you think of the US Armys polymer ammo and bullpup weapon?

@randyross5630

2 жыл бұрын

Klaus Schwab said Putin was Trained in their Bilderberg Schools, as with many other world leaders. How do you know this just isn't all contrived to Squeeze the Energy Market all per the edicts of Build Back Better 🤔

@heliowolf5042

2 жыл бұрын

The polymer ammo available now on the civilian market seems to have a pretty poor accuracy. I also wonder about the accuracy of this bullpup rifle since the barrel reciprocates. How accurate will actually be at 800 yards?

@humanityisevil

2 жыл бұрын

and we all go 💥 💥 💥

@humanityisevil

2 жыл бұрын

Now I don't like it any more then you do

@dr2d2

2 жыл бұрын

Will there be a civilian version of it?

For those who haven't heard, this weapon is being released for Civillians as the True Velocity Genesis.

@jonnyw82

2 жыл бұрын

Same caliber?

@jamesricker3997

2 жыл бұрын

It's not going to be released in a civilian version for about 5 to 10 years

@kidcharlemagne1002

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesricker3997 gives me plenty of time to save for one.

@totenfurwotan4478

2 жыл бұрын

@James Ricker doubt they would release a statement saying it’s coming out for civilians and then wait andecaden

@Followme556

2 жыл бұрын

For the low low price of you can't afford it. :D

Hello. Material science engineer here. A few points about the polymer casing. 1. Capability is not the problem. High performance polymers can do amazing things and can be tailored to the task. COST is the main limiting factor here. If they can streamline the process and reduce the cost of the base material to a minimum than maybe they can be competetive. 2. Polymers in general transfer heat very slowly compared to metals, as such most of the residual energy of the powder burn stays inside the casing on ejection. 3. Very low temperature is most likely the main problem for the polymer as it is designed for a high temp application. Still, many polymers in cars have to perform at -40°C to +50°C so it is doable but once again a question of cost. 4. Main problems for long term and large scale use are casing quality and casing stability. Like any other material polymers do degrade over time, the faster the harsher the environment. There are counter measures based on chemicals but these mean increased cost and also reduced performance.

@ChefofWar33

2 жыл бұрын

As long as it meets military specs for degradation, its solid. People forget that brass ammo needs to be stored in a dry and room temperature container in order to not degrade. The same will apply to ammo of any other material.

@parallaxe5394

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChefofWar33 Hello. Well the problem here is that polymers degraded in a different way than for example brass does and because of that the specs used right now might not be the right ones to determine long term stability of the polymer casings. Changes in base materials are a tricky thing in any industry. Many wisdoms and guidelines you developed over the years need to be revisited and changed.

@catsupchutney

2 жыл бұрын

Finally after a page of scrolling I see a comment that balances the informative but overtly one sided review in this video. This vid could easily substitute for a sales brochure.

@Taskandpurpose

2 жыл бұрын

true velocitys manufacturing requires WAY less people I'm forgetting the exact figure they gave me but I think its like 9 times less staff required to produce polymer ammo compared to brass. OF COURSE this is all according to True Velocity and we need to take it with a grain of salt

@trk1169

2 жыл бұрын

3. Is this why they use plastic rather than carbon fiber?

based on this review, that rifle looks amazing and lightyears ahead of regular 5.56 weapons today. One thing that wasnt answered here is weight of ammo/weapon since the round is alot larger than 5.56.

@Kross8761

2 жыл бұрын

The weight is comparable to 5.56 due to the polymer casing, the rifle I think might weigh a smidge more, but the ammo is roughly the same (might even be a hair lighter? Maybe? I can't remember off the top of my head)

@MichaelNKaboose

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kross8761 I believe NATO 5.56 is ~12 grams and 7.62 is ~25 grams. 6.8TVCM is supposed to be 30% lighter than 7.62 NATO, so that would make it around 18.5 grams. Still ~55% heavier than 5.56.

@Kross8761

2 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelNKaboose I thought the numbers were much more comparable. In any case, I like the concept of the ammunition, but I don't like the rifle, I'm much more partial to the Sig Spear entry into the NGSW program.

@ZMAN_420

2 жыл бұрын

One thing that wasn't answered too is the main reason for changing caliber. Shooting at armor, distance and ballistics on soft targets?

@theeddorian

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZMAN_420 Probably a compromise for weight vs penetration and range. As it is, the rounds are still about twice as heavy as the 5.56. That is still a gain over the carry weight of standard 7.62. If they went with a standard 7.62 ball, the gain in carry weight over the standard 7.62 would be smaller. At the same time if they had gone with a hotter 5.56, the lighter weight still leaves it with less penetration and reliable range, even though it would be lighter than the 6.8.

That absolutely makes sense The individual round absorbed the more heat per shot so it is it expelled from the gun rather than transferred to the gun

I absolutely don't believe that has the same felt recoil as the M4. It's clearly and visibly pretty high recoil, looks more than my FAL and certainly more than any 5.56 rifle I have.

@another5961

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he’s death gripping it, not way it’s the same as an AR

@ChaiSuBin

2 жыл бұрын

We should hold our decision until civilian release of this ammo and rifle for other reviewers to test. Honestly, Cappy is just your average infantryman. And not all infantryman are Tier 1 high speed low drag operators that can shoulder fire a FAL at full auto. I for one, am very excited for polymer ammo. If it means giving better performance for less weight.

@jazb4317

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Looks like it has some kick to it compared to M4. But the M4 doesn't automatically pop smoke for concealment, so I guess that is a plus? 🤔

@thelostpsychosis

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I thought when I seen people shooting 5.56, but then I shot it for myself.

@peace957

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing lol. I instantly thought that recoil looked just like an FAL or a G3.

I’m more interested to see a penetration test against contemporary body armor. I can see the shooting being knocked by the recoil quite a bit, so if it must sacrifice the controllability of a 5.56, I hope it can actually have a meaningful increase in penetration.

@sevrent2811

2 жыл бұрын

well the fun stuff is always the stuff that's classified so we wont know for a long time. If adversary's saw how these guns hold up to modern body armor, they may start to develop ways to counter it by the time the gun is out

@profusemoose1488

2 жыл бұрын

@@sevrent2811 essentially the way I consider armor vs weapons is 12-18 months (probably longer for full deployment and 'modern' equipment cycles but yeah..., plus opsec. You can make a new gun to defeat the enemy armor, but once you deploy it you have 12-18 months before they've restored the current rough paradigm to some degree. But the more you make in advance the more likely they'll figure out the specs. interesting area.

@Vunomic

2 жыл бұрын

At around 4:09 He explained that specifically the shooter _"feels less recoil"_ even if recoil looks worst than 5.56 ammo from the viewer edit: A few comments pointed out my original statement was incorrect, that the recoil was not compared to 5.56, even saying it was compared to 7.62 At 4:19 He mentioned that it was confirmed that the recoil from the 6.8mm rifle is in line with the felt recoil of the legacy old 5.56 millimeter Hope this clarifies the confusion.

@user-pq4by2rq9y

2 жыл бұрын

the recoil isn't that much considering it is more powerful than 762 nato. Seems more like a soft but strong push.

@cracerjack4693

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vunomic Sure looks like he is feeling more recoil lmao.

The recoil thing is also cumulative. I had to qualify with a German G3 (7.62) once and fire ~230 rounds. I felt like I'd been beaten with a baseball bat after. The more you fire, the more that matters. I'd be comfortable. I'm happy with the specs and thoroughness of testing. Q: how much do seven full magazines of polymer ammo weigh vs. brass? If the total is even 8 oz. less, it's significant.

@arieltraasdahl-xh6ri

4 ай бұрын

30% weight reduction compared to 168 grain brass cased ammunition. 175 grain Federal Match ammunition weighs 400 grains (25.9 grams).

The problem of caseless ammo was that a lot of the heat ended up in the chamber, while brass has high thermal conductivity, yet it still has some thermal capacity as well, so it will take some of the heat with it, when ejected (you know - hot shells flying underyour shirt ;) ). I would bet that totally insulating case would have even better results. So if it can sustain the pressure, or the chamber supports the case well enough it seems quite viable. You just have to be sure that the plastic don't melt in the chamber so it could be extracted - I think that was the highest limiting factor for the use of plastic for cases.

@zidniafifamani2378

2 жыл бұрын

You can use polymer with high glass transition temperature like Polyether Imide (PEI), coat it using Multi Walled Boron Nitride Nanotubes Aerogel to protect it against extreme temperatures and reinforced the polymer using Multi Walled Boron Nitride Nanotubes so it because much stronger (we haven't got to do it commercially yet, but it's interesting idea).

@williamzk9083

2 жыл бұрын

@@zidniafifamani2378 The Germans had one working in the lab, called nipolit

@miriamweller812

2 жыл бұрын

Lighter weapon -> more recoil (it's in the end all physics) -> even more shots missed + bigger prob with overheating = sounds awful by that alone.

@zidniafifamani2378

2 жыл бұрын

@@miriamweller812 nor necessarily, it all depends on internal mechanisms (for example look at Surefire MGX, KAC LAMG and KAC AMG)

@kaliningradtoczechrepublic8162

Жыл бұрын

not all plastic is the same, hence why you see modern fireman wearing plastic helmets for example

Still burning a candle for the TEXTRON rifle and their CyberPunky case-telescoped ammunition. We have been denied the future for so long I want ALL of it. NOW!

@skenzyme81

2 жыл бұрын

Cappy, I was annoyed when Textron wouldn't show you their fancy pew-pew stick. They are acting BIZARRELY about it. Either they know they have no chance for the NGSW contract or they know they've already won. Some odd politics afoot.

@samuelbishop3316

2 жыл бұрын

They've already been kicked from the competition Didnt meet the requirements

@skenzyme81

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuelbishop3316 F

@icefl4re597

2 жыл бұрын

The Textron SAW replacement don't have quick change barrel. The glass temperature (when the polymer essentially loses their strength) is still kinda low. Needs to be more abuse proof.

@bretth6393

2 жыл бұрын

The Textron rifles had problems with barrel erosion. The way the bullet jumps from the telescoped casing to barrel causes it. It can be fixed, but Textron would need more time than they have.

Even if this rifle doesn't get selected I hope we see more development go into polymer-cased ammo

@Krieghandt

2 жыл бұрын

I think that is a given. Even if it is just to use it as belt ammo to keep machine guns from cooking off rounds.

@adriaandraije3838

2 жыл бұрын

Knowing the us army, it will probably use 5 56 ammo in polymer-cased ammo so grunts can carry even more stuff

@Merecir

2 жыл бұрын

Will never be approved because it is littering plastic.

@raptor0040

2 жыл бұрын

I remember finding heaps of black and white plastic 5.56 practice shells used by the Australian army back in the 80s when they used to practice in what is now Sunset national park in north western Victoria, Australia. I dont know what type of plastic it was but the white ones would break down real quick in the sun.

@davidhodgin8900

2 жыл бұрын

@@Merecir fr

I was lucky enough to enter training in the Australian Army as an Engineer when we were changing our rifles from the Vietnam Era 7.62mm SLR, to the modern lightweight and locally produced 5.56mm F88 Austeyr. The SLR was an absolute heavy pig, however, would fire through just about anything. The Austeyr was an absolute pleasure, except that the rounds would defect when firing prone in long grass. I would love to try the new 6.8mm ammo in a lightweight medium barrel.

@2Potates

2 жыл бұрын

Well then i have great news for you, apparently they're working on a F90 variant scaled up for 6.8

@Lord_Shadowz

2 жыл бұрын

@@christinalaw3375 Hey, you know what they say about bulges! Atleast we got one!!!

@695925

2 жыл бұрын

Preferred the SLR any day. Hated the bull pup style chambering beside the ear. May be ok on the range with hearing protection, different story in the field.

@MarkUs-df3mm

2 жыл бұрын

​@@695925 For what it's worth I believe it's actually the distance of the barrel to your ear as well as flash suppressor / muzzle brake that makes the difference. I worked this out as an 18yo in the ARA; the f88 with 24" barrel or f89 / mag58 didn't hurt nearly as much as the carbine f88 with 16 and 20" barrels. After moving to the US and becoming familiar with the AR platform the same rule seems to hold true; shooters using the AR "pistol" style platforms with barrels as short as 10 - 12" are f'ing ridiculously loud, with the 16" m4 style not being much better.

@kev897

2 жыл бұрын

Yep the slr was my personal weapon when I served in the early 80's. Its heavy for sure but nobody was getting up after being hit

Amicus looks like it has all the right stuff. And I can't wait to try the True Velocity polymer-cased ammo. Thanks for your comprehensive review.

Wow, I think your videos have consistently been the best place for normies to get info on the NGSW program. Thanks for the content, your vids are great!

@JoshuaC923

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, the writing quality has gone up a lot recently. Really great work

@violetraven9440

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly I’m not very interested in what the army does but I love the gear tactics and new developments like this and I get all of that on here it’s always a blast

@lee.as.in.l.e.e.7394

2 жыл бұрын

@@violetraven9440 same here brutha

The Amicus recoil looks much more tame than the Sig MCX Spear during controlled firing. The technology is also very interesting, and looks awesome. My first rifle was actually a bullpup so I am not against them, and like the manual of arms, I've also used AR's in a work environment for a while. This rifle excites me much more than the spear.

@onionhead5780

2 жыл бұрын

Bullpups have some advantages but unfortunately the trigger isn’t one of them. I’m a retired gunsmith and no trigger pull snob but almost every bullpup trigger design I’ve encountered has had an exceptionally bad trigger pull.

@LIGHTNING278TH

2 жыл бұрын

@@onionhead5780 So up to military standard then.

@vgman94

2 жыл бұрын

@@LIGHTNING278TH 😂😂😂

@discipleaj

2 жыл бұрын

British and Australian military has no issue destroying its targets and defeating the enemy using a bullpup weapon. It is utter laziness on the part of the individual who resists the change because they don't want to learn how a new weapon system operates and practice with it. I guarantee if the US Military adopts the weapon to replace the M4, in less than 10 years you'll see people on KZread with all kinds of mods for it and loving the platform.

@diegovildosola8295

2 жыл бұрын

I concur. The Amicus really looks like a next gen rifle. I hope big army goes for this bid.

This weapon has a really slick design. I like the rear biased weighting 👍 Polymer ammo is definitely the future.

Fascinating! I had the privilege of transitioning from M-14’s to the original M-16 (three prong flash suppressor) to the M-1A1 which featured a lot of improvements which included a chomed chamber to prevent jams. The problem dealing with those weapons makes me think first of how to keep the weapon usable in a muddy environment. We haven’t seen a lot of those lately, but its due.

@markmcintosh7095

2 жыл бұрын

I had the same experience. Used the m14 in boot camp then was issued a m16 in ITR and the rest of infantry training. 1969

@python27au

2 жыл бұрын

My regular rifle was an L1A1 SLR Australian version of the FN FAL. In six years i had one stoppage during an ex and it was solved by turning the gas knob a point. I got to train with the M16 A1 once in 1989 i it worked ok for me but the bloke beside me in the weapons pit fired one burst and then it stopped, he had to manually pull the bolt back after each shot. We were ordered to expend all ammo so he fired his 6 or 8 20 rnd mags bolt action style it took a long time😁 The bells and whistles the salesmen like to brag about are ok but i think the most important feature of an infantry weapon should be reliability. You should be confident that it will fire every time, no matter the environment. My dad was drafted in 1970 and during training they were shown the Owen gun of WWII. They loaded it and tied it to the back of a truck and drove it some distance (dunno how far) down a track, through dust water and mud, bouncing off trees and stuff the whole way. At the end they cocked it and fired off a burst, the mag got bent so it only fired 3 or 4 rounds but it fired. He was impressed, it wasn’t pretty or comfortable, or accurate over long distances but it fired every time. When i joined they had replaced it with the F1 which was an ok weapon but had one major flaw, the safety catch was easy to remove and when it fell out the trigger mechanism went SPROING!😁 and then the troop sergeant got the shits and you spent a lot of time cleaning things😳😬

This channel has grown so much the past two years, its been a great experience watching Cappy grow into a competent and engaging narrator. The production quality and info provided is second to none. Thanks for your work.

If the casings are biodegradable, that would save us the trouble of finding and picking up brass after the range is clear!

@Y.M...

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be able to afford it and probably neither would most other people.

@sesameseedbar8853

2 жыл бұрын

Asking the military to quit work for the sake of work? 😂 Yeah right!

@talltroll7092

2 жыл бұрын

It's pretty unlikely that a polymer that is suitable for use as ammo casing will also be biodegradable. You might also ponder the wisdom of having ammo cases designed to degrade over time...

@Taskandpurpose

2 жыл бұрын

casings are magnetic so you can pick them up easily now haha

@Y.M...

2 жыл бұрын

@@talltroll7092 good guess

I really enjoy your videos and the hard work you put in them you are are much appreciated

That rifle clearly has more recoil than the M-4. At 5:16, it looked like the shooter was going to fall backwards.

Hi Chappy, I am an old vet, back in the days when Australia was transiting from the 7.62 FN FAL (SLR) to the brand new M16. We were assured at the time that the M16 was so wonderful that it never needed cleaning. (It never came with a cleaning kit) I have learned to ignore the hype when a new weapon is released because we had to carry a shipload of cotton buds (Q tips) and an abrasive paste as well as improvised barrel pull throughs to keep the new wonder weapons working. I still miss the ability for the 7.62 to "reach out and touch someone"

Its honestly amazing, far higher tech then most would realize at a glance and as much as I would want one, it'd be so damn expensive, hopefully we'll get another handgun comp soon.

Back in the 1960s, there was a revolver called the Troon and used plastic ammunition. The Swedish IKS and German HK-11 which used careless ammunition.

True Velocity has been around for a while but not widely available. Using the composite molded case, they can control internal contours to enhance charge velocity. Cases also lighter than brass.Sig and others have also developed prototype weapons for testing.

If I hadn't watched the 3D printed firearm community grow by leaps and bounds over the last 5 to 7 years I wouldn't think that the advantages promised by this plastic round would be possible it sounds too good to be true. But material science continues and I surely hope that this will be as good as they say it will be

@sniperjared

2 жыл бұрын

these rounds arent made with 3d printers

@DSiren

2 жыл бұрын

@@sniperjared he didn't say they were. He said he would have heard plastic and thought of that chinesium garbage we're all used to, but because of his knowledge of 3d printed firearms, he finds the claims more believable because he's already seen proof plastic can handle these kinds of stresses.

@diapysik

2 жыл бұрын

I'm real skeptical after the last few designer polymer cased rounds and their habit to blow the fuck up. If these work then cool, but I'm gonna wait until they're proven before talking shit or praising their genius.

@Scroolewse

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. This stuff is really starting to make the present feel like the "future" of classic sci-fi's.

@justinlance4174

2 жыл бұрын

@@diapysik if its adopted it will hold up. Do u own polymer guns? They wouldn't adopt without making sure the ammo is up to the task

I’m very excited to see where this rifle goes but I don’t think it has the same felt recoil as a 5.56, it seems to me that it has a bit more than even a short AR/gas system

@wcstrawberryfields8011

2 жыл бұрын

That thing was kicking his a§§!

@JB-cv6dz

2 жыл бұрын

This thing kicks more than an M-4

@tristen9736

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao, the enemy soldiers would think its a smoke signal with how much that thing was smoking

@BlackEnglishmen

2 жыл бұрын

It has more recoil. You’re confusing muzzle climb with felt recoil.

@odinisgod4577

2 жыл бұрын

im seeing the same recoil impulse of a 7.62x54r or a 308 sbr with a 12inch barrel

I joined the British Army in 87. We were still using the SLR 7.62. We were trained to hit targets at 600+ meters. Now they are trained to hit targets at 400meters down to the 5.56 ammo. SLR was awesome. You got hit by that you went down.

@graftongodofmemes

2 жыл бұрын

Na it dosnt work like that. Its one of those things that sound intuitively correct but yeah, nah. If 308 was so great ,why did every armed force in the world change to intermediate ammunition like 556 or 762 x39? I'll tell ya why, average range 250 Meters ,YAW, lighter ammo etc. You ever seen that MythBusters when they shoot a suspended pig with 50 cal solids etc? T

@TheChiconspiracy

2 жыл бұрын

@@graftongodofmemes It's mind boggling how long the uber-conservative US military seemed to think that you needed a round that could be used for a number of big game animals for unarmored human targets.

@nicholasbrown668

Жыл бұрын

@@TheChiconspiracy "uber conservative US" you realize we adopted that round from the British who used it a full half a century longer than we did? Yeah ok now shut up In fact we WENT BACK to that round BECAUSE THE BRITISH BROUGHT IT BACK with a sniper rifle

@TheChiconspiracy

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholasbrown668 What are you talking about? When exactly did we adopt 7.62x51 NATO from the British? When did they invent that?

@nicholasbrown668

Жыл бұрын

@@TheChiconspiracy considering the trials for it used data from British rounds? Yeah they did help invent it( as did most major NATO nations)

I've been using a .270 Weatherby for hunting since the 80s, the 6.8 is pretty much a .270 Winchester! My favorite round so many different weights, kills anything from elk to whitetail.

@JoeOvercoat

2 жыл бұрын

I realize there is depth to what you are saying, but whitetails everywhere just went “YA THINK!?!”

@p_campbell

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeOvercoat White tail that got K.O.ed by a . 22 just said "thanks".... for the acnoledgement.

I am extremely excited about the advancements in polymer ammo and hope it hits mass market regardless of if they get any military contracts.

@mrschnider6521

2 жыл бұрын

im excited that we will have even more plastic that connot be reused and will never degrade, these awesome rifles are like a trash factory.

@thomasbarlow4223

2 жыл бұрын

Just what we need more plastic for the ocean and you already know that those bullets are going to be very problem soon after a couple years after Manufacturing.... only brand new bullets will fire correctly

@laknidubandara

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasbarlow4223Forget about it.

@jungleno.

2 жыл бұрын

Cheaper to manufacture but No cost savings passed on to the consumer. Non reloadable Plastic cases Bad for the environment. Sounds like a lose lose for shooters.

For anyone who is still confused why the plastic cartridge heats up the gun less than brass cartridges with the same powder and projectile, don't fret! This guy is trying his best to explain it quickly, and his explanation skips a lot of things in the middle because it would frankly be absurd to try explaining the mechanism in an eleven minute long video. First, the conclusion: the polymer casing that this rifle system uses allows the rifle to run cooler than a theoretically identical system that uses the same projectile and amount of gunpowder in a brass casing. The keys to understanding this lie in the heat transfer, chemical kinetics, and basic thermodynamics of this system. Heat transfer. Gun brass will conduct heat roughly 400 faster than polymer because its coefficient of heat transfer is larger by roughly 400 times. (Typical brass has a thermal conductivity of around 100 W/m/K, and PVC has a thermal conductivity of around 0.25 W/m/K. I'm sure that the polymer used for these casings has an even lower thermal conductivity than PVC, as this is a desirable trait for a polymer used around combustion reactions.) The polymer used for these casings is assumedly thicker than the brass that would be used in conventional cartridges, so the insulating properties of polymer will be increased that much more because heat transfer is inversely proportional to thickness of materials the heat transfers through. Kinetics. Gunpowder is a mixture of compounds that reacts violently with oxygen to produce heat, light, sound, and a massive amount of gaseous compounds. Because the reaction produces many, many more moles of gas than it consumes, this gas expands quickly; this is the actual driving force that propels the projectile down the barrel. Thermodynamics. The ideal gas law states that an increase in temperature of a gas will cause the pressure and/or volume to increase, assuming that the amount of gas in the system is not decreasing. If you can keep the gas temperature high, this pressure will stay high. Accordingly, we find the following when we use a polymer casing for ammunition: the polymer conducts less heat away from the gunpowder combustion, so some of this heat must remain in the gases produced by gunpowder combustion. This in turn makes the explosion transfer more energy to the projectile than the chamber of the weapon, allowing it to run cooler while requiring less gunpowder to attain any given desired projectile velocity. Because we can use less gunpowder, less heat is generated (i.e. we use less gunpowder, so we get less heat); because less heat is generated, even less heat is transferred to the chamber to heat up the gun. Other notes: - remember that the hot gas is expanding down the entire length of the metal barrel, hence the gun heats up twice as slowly with polymer instead of five hundred times as slowly like the thermal conductivity comparison would suggest - it's entirely possible that these cartridges won't cook off because they melt first; however, it's more likely that the gunpowder will auto-ignite at lower temperatures than the modern polymer used in the casings, so it's more likely that the thick polymer casing insulates the gunpowder well enough that the gunpowder heats up slower than the gun naturally cools down. - polymer casings like this could plausibly be easier to mass-produce and recycle on a large scale than brass casings, depending on how they're manufactured; however, my guess is that the polymer's composition makes it more expensive to produce than brass casings because the polymerization process requires a lot more expensive equipment than brass casting does.

@williammarkham7598

2 жыл бұрын

Source: I'm in my last year of chemical engineering at university, and these are all standard concepts for the field. That doesn't make them easy, mind you, I've just been forced to spend more time with them. You'd know your crazy wine aunt better, too, if you were forced to spend fifty hours a week with her in the library.

@tinyplaidninjas8868

2 жыл бұрын

Mechanical engineer here: this is a great explanation and I totally back this

@fallinginthed33p

2 жыл бұрын

Polymer is an insulator for heat, brass is a conductor. By using less powder to get the same bullet velocity, there's less heat going into the casing and the barrel.

@williammarkham7598

2 жыл бұрын

@@fallinginthed33p yes, that's what I'm saying. I added a clarifying parenthetical because my wording there wasn't clear, thanks for the heads-up.

@matthewkubinec1620

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the detailed explanation. It took me back to my university chemistry courses when you said 'ideal gas law' and 'moles'. It was oddly nostalgic for a discussion of gun mechanics.

Thank you for sharing the info.

Honestly, the more I see this gun, the more I like the looks and idea behind it.

I'm actually curious about how much of an improvement when this poly case applied to the current 5.56 & 7.62 caliber and it's respective rifle.

@SniperInTheTower

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I'm wondering. He said that due to being polymer more of the energy from the powder going off is directed into the bullet instead of lost as heat, and that this cartridge is 20% more effective than 7.62 NATO. So how much more effective would polymer 7.62 NATO be? Knowing the military this weapon is unlikely to be adopted, even the cartridge is likely a pipe dream. But the technology that's really being explored here might just be the polymer case, so that will be interesting to see.

@dsfs17987

2 жыл бұрын

@@SniperInTheTower their reasoning probably is the heat transfer rate of plastic vs brass, meaning - brass conducts the combustion gas heat to the barrel quicker than the plastic case, so in theory the hot gas remains hotter while it is pushing the bullet, but that is only true in the chamber area, the rest of the barrel isn't coated... perhaps it is good for cook off prevention - plastic case insulating the chamber portion of the barrel from hot gasses, but the heat from the front of the barrel is going to transfer to the chamber area eventually

@justinlance4174

2 жыл бұрын

It's better. And any 7 62x51 can be converted to 6.8 with a barrel switch

@joenunya8449

2 жыл бұрын

@@dsfs17987 which leads to the natural question, "What other ways could we reduce the heat absorption in the chamber?" There are other materials with lower thermal conductivity coefficients than brass steel and plastic. What about a disposable chamber liner? What about a hard ceramic chamber liner? What about space age polymers and or carbons? What about a insertable tool-less chamber insert to convert a 7.62x51 to 6.8x51?

@dsfs17987

2 жыл бұрын

@@joenunya8449 don't forget - what will it cost and how long will it last? this one is most important when it comes to very marginal gains

Seeing what goes into this I'm a lot more hopeful about this rifle than I am the Spear even though I know it probably won't win. This rifle seems like a genuine game changer with the ability to just switch to a rather controllable automatic fire

@damienharbin242

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I’ve been saying this the whole time. The new technology in this with the polymer ammo and the bullpup design makes me believe that this is a better weapon than the Spear. I do think the DOD is much more likely to choose the Spear, though, simply due to how similar it is to the current platform.

@buddermonger2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@damienharbin242 I'm going to be honest, the Spear is a weapon for the Russians in that it's easy to repair, having specific fallback points, and nothing really big changing. It can take probably more punishment even in addition to the extra punishment it's taking from its own ammo. This is in comparison to the bullpup (I can't remember its name lol) which is meant to have a new system which increases soldier abilities in combat. MG 6.8 is better than no MG though and that was a mistake on their part.

@wigon

2 жыл бұрын

@@damienharbin242 Are you dudes fucking blind? The recoil looks way harder than on a SCAR-17H in .308. The military should have gone with 6.5 Creedmoore. Softer shooting, better range.

@TheGamersfolly

2 жыл бұрын

The US won't upgrade from the M4. They just won't.

@Imaworldstar-jw3yj

2 жыл бұрын

Oh i am studying english online be my friend

You have a great show. And the cereal is cool too. Good stuff.

4.38 . Only ever fired the M16 once but i remember it having no appreciable recoil at all, well not compared to the 7.62mm SLR. Just watching you trying to control that rifle reminds me of the old SLR. All those working parts just looks like more shit that can go wrong at the worst time.

Gotta point out, that's a genuinely terrifying war face he has while aiming. Equally as frightening as how quickly he can drop it when he's done shooting.

@DUKE_of_RAMBLE

2 жыл бұрын

lol When I noticed he _wasn't blinking_ in between rounds/busts, even during full auto, I could tell he was on another level. Admittedly I don't watch many others shooting, nor videos of professionals, so I won't be surprised if that's common for military personnel (or even just of the special groups within branches)... But still, I was impressed! lol

@TullyGehan

2 жыл бұрын

On the video his voice is so professional and relaxing but when he grabs that gun it looks like the pizza rat just took his last slice and it's go time.

@junkname9983

2 жыл бұрын

especially compare to that bright-eyed optimistic naive look of a grunt who's fresh out of HS when he talks about breakfast cereal, it's quite a contrast.

This thing seems pretty darn cool. Well engineered. Seems like a modern day weapon without too many drawbacks

@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76

2 жыл бұрын

Drawbacks will be discovered by the idiot privates. First one I see is the bulb at the end makes it impossible for Private Potato to stick it up his arse

@KillersFromTheWest

2 жыл бұрын

@@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76 lmao had me at first 🤣

It would also being interesting to have a cost analysis. As well as a ballistic gel demonstration.

Great, just what this world needs, more plastics! I can't get enough micro plastics in my blood. I love it

Very good presentation. If the polymer can take the temperature range mentioned and does not crack when used under extreme cold conditions (near peer winter lol), then it looks impressive. Germans in WW2 were known to get instant frostbite when they tried to relieve themselves during the winter. Many reports mention that they were used to winter conditions in Germany, but they never expected the cold conditions they encountered in the Eastern front.

@Oblivisci........

2 жыл бұрын

Well the world hasn't been that cold Ina while and it probably won't be so we're good.

@AndTheCorrectAnswerIs

2 жыл бұрын

@@Oblivisci........ You've been drinking too much of Greta's Kool Aide. The avg. global temperature has only increased 1.1F since 1950.

@huwhitecavebeast1972

2 жыл бұрын

Instant frostbite is nonsense. That's just some embellishment to make war stories sound more cool. I've been in -51 and it's cold but you don't get instant frostbite taking a piss. You'd have to touch liquid nitrogen to get instant frostbite.

@arewe9647

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndTheCorrectAnswerIs and that fucking suck.

@Prometheus7272

2 жыл бұрын

@@Oblivisci........ That's not how global warming works.

Powerful gun handle by no flinching shooter! Enjoyed your vid tremendously and keep it up!

We used the Australian army version of the FN Fal in Vietnam . Standard NATO 7.62 ball was very good at putting anybody down no fucking around .

Alright, so, a few questions regarding the Polymer casings: Are they cheaper than Brass? Can they be re-melted and re-cast with relative ease and safety? Can you find the primers with a metal detector? How many times would it be possible to reload a round before it breaks, and is that number lower than a Brass counterpart? Can we paint it in a tactical Khaki color? Do they float on water? Weird questions, I know, but if this truly is the ammo of the future, we may see this stuff be melted down into figurines and appliances by civilians in 100 years, or recycled somehow, all I know is that I'd rather expect the unexpected, I guess.

@neonshoji

2 жыл бұрын

I highly doubt that it'd be cheaper until it's widely adapted. Also, you know that states like California would ban if for "environmental reasons".

@SurmaSampo

2 жыл бұрын

These have to be made out of thermoset plastic so there is no way they will be recyclable and most likely not safely reloadable. Militaries don't care about either of those features and to be honest neither do most civilians. At scale they are quite likely to be cheaper than brass since brass per kg is an expensive material and most plastics are not even close to that pricepoint.

@huwhitecavebeast1972

2 жыл бұрын

@@SurmaSampo I'm pretty sure a lot of civilians care.

@spudpud-T67

2 жыл бұрын

Will the spent plastic break down in the sun and degrade away.

@SurmaSampo

2 жыл бұрын

@@huwhitecavebeast1972 I am sure a lot do but not most.

The MCX (556)itself failed at multiple military contracts (beeing ranked last in the French army testing, for ex). I haven't looked much into why, but I doubt the spear change to a higher caliber AND can fix all of the issues, especially how the amicus ammo bid seems to shred through the tests

@joncampo1627

2 жыл бұрын

The recoil spring has been known to blow up for no reason, among other things.

@joncampo1627

2 жыл бұрын

@E It’s still garbage

@Rrgr5

2 жыл бұрын

I don't feel so confident about that ammo, looks quite complicated, also, that high pressure is damn scary, doesn't look like a good idea.

@Lowlyking2001

2 жыл бұрын

I can't find anything about those tests, you got some sources? I wanna read up on them.

Polymer ammo looks like it came to stay, because even if they don't do the rifle and caliber switch they could potentially still go forward with that ammo, since it would still benefit any platform by allowing it to remain cooler.

M4 has a 2 take down pin set up also. I can’t remember the exact word but you can get a partial piston reload instead of complete gas to cycle so it’s a little more clean and some way more reliable

I think polymer ammo is the next level in ammo design. Amazing engineering on the anti recoil system.

@MadGeorge88

2 жыл бұрын

what about the prototype H/K G11 caseless ammo

@Jo-xk3pk

2 жыл бұрын

I'm still hoping for Lazer guns!

@slimjim7411

2 жыл бұрын

@@MadGeorge88 Caseless ammo builds up too much chamber heat. The newer version was basically just reloadable cases making it not really caseless ammo.

@MadGeorge88

2 жыл бұрын

@@slimjim7411 yeah i was just watching the video of it and was like that's gonna get hot quicker than brass.

@MadGeorge88

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jo-xk3pk Best I can do is an electric musket.

It doesn’t matter if the “felt recoil” is less if everyone can visibly tell there is more muzzle rise. Muzzle rise is what slows down the shooter, so if it feels like shooting a BB gun but the muzzle still rises 6 inches most soldiers don’t give a flying crap if it’s less felt if they can’t shoot as quickly and accurately.

@ashirii8347

2 жыл бұрын

realistically I'm more worried about cost efficiency. M4s might be some hot ass but their decently cheap to mass produce and maintain. This rifle looks a lot more complex and probably much more expensive. EDIT: also weight, cause I mean more parts = heavier (a lot of people in the army complain about weight on their weapons especially if anything is added to it)

@SamtheIrishexan

2 жыл бұрын

I mean you really would need to see cap shoot his m4 for a good comparison without using precision measuring equipment

@danh9503

2 жыл бұрын

Let's guess you're an expert in firearms manufacturing yeah? If not....stfu with the typical youtuber who thinks they know everything about everything in every subject lol

@victorglaviano

2 жыл бұрын

When being shot at in combat all the BS science behind everything goes out the window and laying any kind of lead downrange, accurate, inaccurate, burst, auto, semi, whatever... Lead towards enemies is your friend, any combat veteran knows this!!

@MikeMcCarthy240sx

2 жыл бұрын

That rifle was kicking his ass lol. I agree on not completely judging without a comparison though.

i'm absolutely thrilled! but what would be even cooler is to learn more of that compound

Thanks for sharing!

A good laymans comparison for the cartridge might be lightbulbs. Incandescent bulbs heat a filament until it glows. Lots of light, lots of heat. If all you want is light, that heat is a giant waste. Florescent lights run the electricity through a gas which doesn't need to be hot to glow. Lots of light, way less heat. So for the same amount of electricity you can get way more light, and way less heat. Similarly, the cartridge wastes much less energy as heat, reducing the stress of bleeding off that heat. I think.

@williammarkham7598

2 жыл бұрын

Not quite; I think this youtuber is barking up the wrong tree with his explanation about efficiency leading to the gun running cooler. Try this explanation: you have a cooler full of ice, and a steel pot full of the same amount of ice. Cover them both (the cooler has an insulated lid, the pot has a metal lid), stick them outside all day, and the cooler will have more ice in it at the end of the day. The plastic cartridge does essentially the same thing as the cooler: it doesn't conduct as much heat from the gunpowder combustion to the chamber, so the chamber heats up more slowly.

@josealcala4756

2 жыл бұрын

unless the powder they are using is different than the powder used in traditional brass cartridges, then I don't think that the light bulb analogy holds up. He mentions that the polymer casings are better insulated and that there is less heat transfer to the chamber. I think this is the key to the gun running cooler. The brass casings easily transfer heat from the ignited gas to the chamber which builds up and can ultimately damage the barrel. The polymer casings retain the heat within the casing and remove the heat from the system once they are ejected. So while the same amount of heat is generated from the burned powder, less heat reaches the chamber. I think that this is what is meant by the efficiency.

@haroldsandahl6408

2 жыл бұрын

Its hard to create a good analogy. I think the process works by keeping the heat contained where you want it. In this case with the gun powder meaning you have greater combustion which gives more energy to the bullet. That also means all your heat is trapped in your gas and gas is crap at heat transfer. So the bullet shoots faster, farther, with less smoke, the gun stays colder, but the gases coming out of the gun are hotter. To use arbitrary numbers, its implied the insulation cuts down heat loss by half. So a given bullet has 10 joules of force (Its unrealistic but makes the numbers easy) and normally 5 J is loss to heat (again, numbers are pulled from thin air). That leaves 5 J to propel the bullet. If you cut heat loss by half, you increase the force to the bullet by 2.5 J, increasing the force the bullet experiences by half to a total of 7.5 J. Heck even if the efficiency was 80% goes to pushing the bullet, cutting heat by half increases efficiency by 10%.

@haroldsandahl6408

2 жыл бұрын

@@williammarkham7598 I think that's mostly fair, except that heat needs to go somewhere. It could stick with the gases or it could react with more powder increasing efficiency. Really it depends on what the heat is doing

@williammarkham7598

2 жыл бұрын

@@haroldsandahl6408 I just spend the last forty minutes writing out a comprehensive explanation, go ahead and filter through the comments for it if you want to hear more of what I have to say

I can tell just from the jolt to ur body, it has a good bit more recoil than a 5.56. A 5.56 has the recoil of about like a .22 hornet. That recoil looked almost double than a 5.56, but like u said, I feels like less recoil, not necessarily less.

@mikeshoults4155

2 жыл бұрын

5.56 can't hurt a Russian or Chinese soldier. No point having a gun that can't kill your enemy.

@GundamReviver

2 жыл бұрын

The main thing I see (as a non gun shooter) it pushes him back more.. But slower, and the gun doesn't viciously attack him like the spear did. Also he isn't wearing any for of bulky gear or armor, and our cappy doesn't look like a heavy man to me anyway, I suspect the slow push back would be conciderably lessened on a heavy (packed) man.

@HatsuneM1ku01

2 жыл бұрын

@@KeterMalkuth what would be an in between? Or even and equivalent to 6.8?

@dgmma992

2 жыл бұрын

@@HatsuneM1ku01 7.62 is inbetween 😉

The insulating properties of the casing not only protects the chamber from the gunpowder explosion (somewhat) but also insulates the powder so it is less likely to cook off.

Nice to see our allies experimenting with a bullpup system. When you get it right they offer way more advantages over traditional rifles. Interesting to see more work on polymer casings too. Maybe one we'll even have widespread use of caseless ammunition that has a very high cookoff temperature.

@Talishar

2 жыл бұрын

Or instead of caseless, they could use the specially formulated volatile paper to make a paper case that is consumed as part of the propellent in shooting it similar to modern tank ammunition. The only thing left after firing those things is the case head.

@williamzk9083

2 жыл бұрын

The Germans in WW2 were testing plastic cartridges made of "nipolit". They were completely combustible. Seemed to work.

@p_campbell

2 жыл бұрын

@@Talishar I believe the only problem is a build up of ash, that would jam the feed mechanism. If that could be solved.... 🤔

@alex-ki5wm

Жыл бұрын

How do they offer way more advantages just because the mag being in a different spot??

@saltaiaw

Жыл бұрын

@@alex-ki5wm Just to name a few advantage's. They have longer barrels which directly increases accuracy. They can be shorter which makes them easier for travelling in armoured vehicles. The weight is towards to back of the weapon which makes it easier to aim and carry.

They are both interesting and good rifles. The MCX “Spear” is a more conventional rifle, and has some very nice features: Folding stock, high durability, changeable barrel. The Amicus is different with some other good features: lower recoil and potential game changing ammo. I do like how the Sig bid has a carbine version in the form of the Raptor. It looks like both rifles have a good chance at winning.

@wipplewopple1876

2 жыл бұрын

As cool as this rifle would be, it'd be wiser to put your money on SIG. They have military contracts and have shown they can produce to the level that Big Army would need, and even though Beretta and General Dynamics are pretty big names, I don't know if that's enough. SIG also has a conventional rifle, so while any new soldiers are just gonna get trained on the new rifle, retraining is always brought up as a road block. The polymer ammo is a really novel idea, though, and that could be their driving force. We may end up seeing something like the SIG Spear with polymer ammo. EDIT: We could also get the General Dynamics rifle because their rifle and MG contestants are nearly identical, with mainly just a different barrel, while SIG's MG is a pretty different system. If the Marine Corp is anything to go by, then US doctrine could revolve less around the suppressive volume of an MG and more around the accuracy, power, and range of these new rounds.

@schleybailey

2 жыл бұрын

the question is who can bid lower

@Sk0lzky

2 жыл бұрын

I'd be rooting for spear (in fact if the price isn't too outlandish I'm considering getting the civvie option) if not for the fact it has the M4 sniper button :v I have a deep hatred for that tiny part of the ar design

@UnrelatedNonsense

2 жыл бұрын

At this point the SIG is the most likely candidate to be chosen in this process. It has basically the same controls as an AR and SIG knows how to undercut its competitors. The U.S military hates change so having something as close to an M4 as possible is the way to go.

@thatredmanguy

2 жыл бұрын

"It looks like both rifles have a good chance at winning." SIG and True Velocity-Beretta are the last two competitors left standing in NGSW race, and for good reason. Both have considerable design, but we'll get a final answer from Big Army by the end of this year.* *That if the program doesn't get cancelled or postponed.

More moving/ jointed components = greater possibity of malfunction. Regardless of the simplicity of the breakdown or maintenance.

@17nirmalya

2 жыл бұрын

Agree

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

2 жыл бұрын

It's a goddamn buffer. Even pistols have dual, nested springs to help tame the violence of the cycle. Heckler & Koch designed combat pistols to be tortured with a steady diet of 185gr +P .45 per SOCOM requirements and the buffer did the trick. Somehow it's unreliable inside of a rifle instead of a pistol slide?

@17nirmalya

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Probability. High school mathematics. Nothing to do with Pistol V/s Rifle. With different manufacturers, probabilities would differ. Like a SIG rifle is more reliable than a Colt.

@ChucksSEADnDEAD

2 жыл бұрын

@@17nirmalya Again - extremely reliable guns have used dual springs as a way to buffer the impact of recoiling mass. Real life combat weapons that have been tested vs highschool maths.

@17nirmalya

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Like which one ?

Love your show bro!!!!

“I fired the FN FAL” while showing you shooting the FN Scar lol Excellent videos none the less

I've worked in the plastics industry for years now and I can tell you that the advancement in polymers lately is pretty amazing. Plastic seems pretty standard to most people but the variety and specialization occurring leads me to believe that whatever DARPA is coming up with in the weapons systems is probably pretty great stuff. I will also say that despite these advancements, with every specialization comes with drawbacks in some way. So keep that in mind as well. Just my two cents.

@ummerfarooq5383

2 жыл бұрын

DARPA's mostly like more concerned about selling makeup to little boys.

@jonathanpfeffer3716

2 жыл бұрын

@@ummerfarooq5383 liberals log by bolb. their gender??

@820hurleyj

2 жыл бұрын

A few years ago I saw some experimentation using polymer cases, which essentially disintegrated when fired. I believe they were having some significant issues with it but a case-less round would be ideal IMHO. Less weight and no brass to worry about. Reloading is gonna suck, though. 😏👀

@mason4354

2 жыл бұрын

How long do modern plastics last with regular exposure to the elements?

@Wassermelonenbaum

2 жыл бұрын

And what are the environmental impacts? People complain about plastic in fireworks once a year. I assume those rounds get used a lot more often..

this man should be the head of the marketing department of the whole world

@CyborgPilord

2 жыл бұрын

his ads are too good

Looks great

I’ve been waiting for this for over 40 years it’s about time

The composite casing sounds nice, it's a good insulator hence more energy is transferred as kinetic energy and not lost as residual heat. Just like how engine manufacturers started using composite turbine blades

@toxicblood115

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention on top of all of that, that it’s lighter as well

@Turboactive

2 жыл бұрын

Can't reload it so hopefully we can still get brass when wanted

@SilvaDreams

2 жыл бұрын

That's not how it works though. the case simply is a poor heat sink and thus doesn't get hot unlike a metal casing. While brass is a rather poor conductor of heat it is dense and can hold heat and the contained explosion of the gunpowder produces a lot of heat from the rapid state change as the chemical reaction happens. It doesn't produce any more or less power unless you are loading more powder, about the only upside is since the polymer case is a bad thermal conductor it won't miss fire from the barrel heating up over extended firing.... You just have to worry if it will miss fire or melt first since the hottest part of the barrel will be right at the base of the bullet and the top of the polymer case.

@8BitNaptime

2 жыл бұрын

Uh, those are fan blades, not turbine blades.

@Turboactive

2 жыл бұрын

@@SilvaDreams yes because polymer is bad insulator the heat and energy normally absorbed by the brass casings instead goes out the barrel = more power.

Never been this early in my life

@canadaisdecent1635

2 жыл бұрын

Me neither

@subjekt5577

2 жыл бұрын

Cappy's shooting to the stars with this conflict on yt

@iamredshift

2 жыл бұрын

Not what your wife said I’m kidding

@Bruh-gv6zt

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@saltysaty8686

2 жыл бұрын

That's what she said on the first date...

The concern, back when I was involved in such things, was microwave cook off by transmitter.

I love Magi Spoon! 2:48 I was literally JUST talking up their cereal to a co-worker of mine today. Honestly it's not going to be long until they blow up imo

In my opinion, from just viewing the thing being shot, it seems to have almost as much recoil if not more than a 7.62x51. If anyone has shot it, I would love to hear your experience. Another thing that's sounding off alarm bells would be the potential negative health impacts of having hot plastic being cooked and degrading (most likely on a micro scale) right next to one's mouth and face. It might not seem like a big deal, but aint no one want cancer, brain/lung damage, or any other hazardous side effects a few decades down that line.

@404killer

2 жыл бұрын

@HellYeaNixon You okay, Karen?

@CircaSriYak

2 жыл бұрын

Trust me, whatever fumes it's emitting is nothing compared to the toxicity of the fumes and chemical byproducts of the gunpowder. Chief among them being the lead which can build up in your body.

@deansmits006

2 жыл бұрын

The total recoil may be similar to 7.62, but it seems like it may spread out the energy over a longer pulse with the internal mechanisms, allowing the less "felt" recoil. We will see if the better, more accurate optics make up for possibly not being able to volley as many follow up shots on target due to increased recoil

@ChefofWar33

2 жыл бұрын

Im sure the depleted uranium shells the grunts are tossing arround are the bigger concern. lmfao

As much as I’d love this to get in officially, we all know the US military and hierarchy hates new and innovative designs that make their receding hairlines uneasy and want the nice M4 looking rifles with traditional looking ammo despite the cost.

@arvintyree1109

2 жыл бұрын

That's ironically deja vu. Back when the m16 was first introduced it was met with similar scrutiny and doubt by the military top brass. They rather stick with what they knew the m14

@danconti5984

2 жыл бұрын

@@arvintyree1109 That's how it goes. Old 70 year old wrinkled husk fought the bad guys with M4's and so he wants M4 style weapons cause that's the only way it works in his mind, and anyone coming up with anything else makes his old brain hurt and is too "risky" since it's new and untested, despite it being just better. Now in terms of this being "better", that's debatable. We'll have to see the test results when they are released.

Beautiful weapon.

the recoil looks huge!

The Army should go with Polymer regardless of the weapon the choose, it's got too many benefits to ignore. The gun itself looks good, but a lot of people dislike bull-pups and I could well see a more traditional AR platform chosen just because, which is a shame because the 19" barrel has a lot of positives to it.

@lucasgomez3283

2 жыл бұрын

Ive always thought we should transition towards a bullpup system, the preformance you get out of a 19" barrel while STILL being shorter than an M4 while having no big cons is just too good to pass up

@gangatalishis

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucasgomez3283 the only bull pup design I have seen that is good is the famas and VHS-2.

@lucasgomez3283

2 жыл бұрын

@@gangatalishis VHS looks good but is pretty unprovedn. FAMAS is okay, some of the design concept dont make sense to me. But it seems that your neglecting some of the most successful designs that came out of it like the AUG and the Tavor, fantastic designs that use 5.56 and imo use it better than the AR-15 platform

@Ukraineaissance2014

2 жыл бұрын

@@gangatalishis the latest SA80s are brilliant. Most accurate 5.56 ive ever been near

@ThePartisan13

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucasgomez3283 I do particularly love my X95

I'm just a spectator but am excited at the innovation that's coming out with this weapon program... I like how they're finding ways to maximize the use of already existing energy sources (thermal in this case) to reach needed velocities that enhance kinetic energy performance on target. I like that these enhancements come with weight savings in mind while also not making the system so impossibly complex that your weakest member on their worst day can still troubleshoot the weapon in the field (probably?). Most of all- I like this channel!

Shotgun: welcome to the club Of plastic ammo.

Everyone is so sure that Sig has this in the bag, but I think it is very much the opposite case. There are a ton of disadvantages that come with the Sig NGSW bid. First off, their 6.8mm cartridge clocks at an irresponsible 85,000 psi. That is insane, especially for what is supposed to be a standard issue rifle round. Any rifle using a cartridge that operates at 85,000 psi is going to be swapping through barrels like chewed gum. ESPECIALLY when the casings are just regular old brass and steel. The wear and tear that the Sig Spear will encounter on a regular operational basis will be unlike anything the Army has seen in a firearm. Another thing working against the Sig Sauer bid is that their rifle is already longer than the M4, and with its respective suppressor, it is laughably cumbersome, all while only having a 13" barrel. So what does the Beretta RM277 have going for it? - 19" barrel while being an overall shorter platform than the M4 - Integrated recoil mitigation system - Lower cartridge operating pressure which reduces wear and increases longevity/reliability - Extremely short suppressor that actually lasts longer than the rifle itself - Most importantly, the polymer 6.8 TV cartridge. Having a polymer casing means that compared to traditional metal casings, only about 50% of the generated heat is transferred outside of the cartridge to the barrel and other components of the firearm. That is an enormous difference. That means there is even less wear on the RM277, which even further compliments the lower operating pressure of the 6.8 TV round. People like to say, "the Army would never go with a bullpup rifle because they'd have to retrain personnel on a new style of rifle." This is literally the laziest argument ever, and a non-issue. The US military is 95% training. You really think they care that they will have to spend a day training personnel on how to operate and clean an already intuitive rifle? Please. In reality, it's not even the RM277 that gives Beretta/LSFW such an advantage. It is the fact that they are already offering easy conversions to their 6.8mm polymer cartridge for weapons like the M240 platform, which is widely used by the US military. There are a number of key advantages that would come with using the polymer 6.8 cartridge for a LMG. The M240 is operated by a two-person team primarily for the fact that it needs its barrel swapped in the middle of its operation. With a polymer cartridge only transferring about 50% the heat of a typical cartridge, mid-use barrel swaps would likely be a thing of the past. It also means that the Army can continue to use their old LMGs instead of paying for a brand new one like they would with Sig Sauer. Polymer-cased ammunition is the future. The 6.8 True Velocity and the Amicus/RM277 make a perfect pair and would give the Army an unparalleled advantage on the future battlefield. The choice is clear.

just for my understanding, half the world bans plastic drinking straws. but cartridge cases made of plastic. of course they are collected? and automatic weapons don't distribute them all over the place. Nobody even collects them for their metal value.

I like the technology concept. When it comes to polymer ammo the real issue is not the ammo, but how easily it can be adopted and manufactured by other companies and reloaders at home. If they can make it so that someone at their own home can make thousands rounds of ammo and it is economical. This could be impressive. If they can recycle the spent cases then I say it is game changing.

@Rockool52

2 жыл бұрын

The polymer case is not recommended to be reloaded. It can easily be recycled! True Velocity sells the machine which injection molds the case. The machine take up 1/10 the floor space of traditional brass forming lines and the polymer is less expensive than brass! In fact they say the cartridge making equipment can be placed in 2 shipping containers and can easily be flown anywhere overseas so the Army could actually manufacture their ammo on base overseas thus saving large amount of fuel and time by not having to ship the ammo from the states.

@buddermonger2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rockool52 if they could do that it could fit into that "mosaic warfare" concept

@buddermonger2000

2 жыл бұрын

reloading is realistically a small part of the civilian market but does contribute to wildcat cartridges

@andrewmarotta7449

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure you can make a brass version of the same ammo. The regular ammo manufacturers could make us that stuff and the army will get the polymer.

Impressive weapon.... definitely my favourite for NGSW

The Army would be fools to not select the Amicus as the winner. Lower chamber pressure and less heat transfer means better longevity of parts, which is something the Army very much cares about. Also, RM277 has a 19" barrel while still being around the same total length as an M4, as opposed to the the Sig Spear which only has a 13" barrel and operates at a higher chamber pressure. Again, the Army would be absolute fools to choose the Spear over the Amicus.

@mauzki-

2 жыл бұрын

Its hard to say as comparing the rifles, you have to take into account that the US would prefer the spear for just how its an AR10 something their used to and the fact the ammo is rather traditional also the preference of sigs machine gun bid might come into play. Another element would be if they wanted to ditch the 6.8 or perhaps field it as a specialist around and keep 5.56 (or just replace it with that 6.8 SPC) and keep the shorter barrel varation. Mind you, lets be real, a lot of the slection process might just come down to people not caring about quality but instead opt for sig because it looks like an M4.

@randyb3851

2 жыл бұрын

boy did this comment age well... Also brass takes heat away better, all the polymer does is take leave more heat in the gun, thats why brass is hot when it comes out. Also Bullpup is an awful design just to get extra barrel length which is not really needed. The sig also comes with a 16 inch option, which is proven to have perfectly fine ballistics out of a shorter barrel especially with advancements in firearms tech as well as a high pressure round. This isn't back in the day when everyone needed a 20 inch barrel just to have their battle rifle shoot past 600m. Also not quite sure why it would be an idiotic choice when it makes less sense to choose a complicated bullpup design that is lower powered when their goal is to equip soldiers with a round powerful enough to take on modern ballistic plates, so it kind of defeats having a low pressure round and then building the entire gun to get a few extra inches for velocity. Also the sig had way better groupings. They made the perfect choice which is actually surprising, and it doesn't make much sense to not choose the sig.

Please continue to do tactical updates on the war if possible. You did a fantastic job thus far and the mainstream news is not really covering this.

@chairmanm3ow

2 жыл бұрын

the war is over. Ukraine lost.

I am a lot more interested in poly ammo than the rifle. In my heart I feel like we have already covered this ground with the M14.This might have been a great rifle for the last war, but the next ones will be urban combat. Not sure 800 yrd engagement is a top priority on a city street. Interesting to see where it leads.

@maxscott3349

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the range thing is kind of a load of bs. Wasn't the .223 Remington FMJ designed to meet the criteria of piercing a steel helmet at 500 yards, with a maximum effective range of 800? And last I heard, even the steel cored stuff won't punch through Russian level IV at any range.

@huntmatthewd

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxscott3349 Yeah, remember the original 20" barrel, but I think it was a Russian helmet at 300m.? Either way you're right. Good luck hitting 800m as an average soldier regardless of what optic.

@robiiify

2 жыл бұрын

@@huntmatthewd Maybe the newer ones that aim for you would make it workable

@Araragi298

2 жыл бұрын

If more energy is imparted into the round, that should mean higher muzzle velocity = more armor penetration. That's useful at any range.

@kristianfagerstrom7011

2 жыл бұрын

I think the selling point is better Body Armour penetration capability.

Greetings from Iran and thank you for your informative video.

I have been impressed with all the new 6.8mm prototypes. This one personally I like because it is a bullpup and because of the weight savings. One thing that I think would be cool is if you could have a second magazine that is spring loaded and clips into a railing. When you eject an empty mag this would automatically kick forward and chamber the round. The weight would be so far back and would not interfere with anything and the weapon could still be reloaded normally, but if you have the time you could put 2 magazines in it and reload almost instantly.

I am a bit confused Chris, you said the recoil is similar to 5.56 but watching the clips of you fire the gun makes it seem like there is a lot way more recoil than there should be.

@stealthyslawter

2 жыл бұрын

He said thats what they say, big brain stuff:P

@user-pq4by2rq9y

2 жыл бұрын

My guess is that you still get more energy but over a much longer period of time, aka strong but soft recoil. Or could be just cappy having trouble to control it.

@levimcn112

2 жыл бұрын

Something something "less felt recoil" I think what he was trying to get at was though there is substantially more recoil, it doesn't feel like there is more recoil from the shooters perspective.

@neutronalchemist3241

2 жыл бұрын

You can't eliminate recoil, but you can make it "feel" less harsh. That's done by spreading the same energy for a longer time. That way the recoil feels more a push than a punch.

@povang

2 жыл бұрын

The recoil is massive, at 5:11 mark a short burst literally throws the shooter out of position. I was in the infantry and was the SAW gunner for my fireteam. I had many opportunities to go full Ramboo, even the M249 SAW in full auto didnt throw me that wildly out of position like this gun does.

The M4 is probably most likely going to stay but if it is getting replaced, I’m guessing Sig Sauer will win.

@realtalk4real243

2 жыл бұрын

With the pandemic and the Ukraine war screwing with everything I doubt they would replace the m4

@fossil6845

2 жыл бұрын

@@realtalk4real243 most likely yes, considering they will have to manufacturing a lot of the 6.8 ammo aswell, not just the guns.

@diligentone-six2688

2 жыл бұрын

Replacing the AR/M4 platform is really uneccessary imo. Just convert the platforms to fire 6.8x51mm by building new parts for the AR that is capable of firing the new bullet. Saves a lot of money.

@sartainja

2 жыл бұрын

What ever happens: 1. Will waste plenty of U.S. taxpayers dollars 2. Will make little to no common sense 3. Will line the war chest of Senators and Congressman 4. Will be very complicated 5. Russia and China will steal and develop the same rifle within 3 years

@jamesricker3997

2 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking the Sig Sauer will win but it will probably be redesigned to take the polymer ammo.

My kids actually love magic spoon, whenever we go to sprouts they always get it

Ammo innovation seems to be huge.

The Amicus and it's polymer ammo makes so much sense. That's exactly why army will chose one of the other bids

@thearisen7301

2 жыл бұрын

Well Textron is out since their gun didn't meet reqs so it's the Amicus or SIG's Spear if anything wins.

There's something about the Amicus...i really want one but the Sig MCX Spear seems cool too

@buddermonger2000

2 жыл бұрын

after this video I really want one too lol

Nice. I can't wait for this to come out in an 80% kit. I'm polishing my Dremel as we speak.

All those advances, sound too good to be true. I hope it works that well, my experience in the military and enforcement is there will be some problems but they will be mitigated over time. I look forward to seeing these new weapons get to the troops.

What sounds really interesting is if this tech was combined with Sig's. If you could put 80k PSI in that it could really change small arems tech. If you could get into the 110k levels that Sig's cartridges are supposed to be able to theoretically able to handle we could be into changes as big as switching to smokeless poweder or bigger.

@neutronalchemist3241

2 жыл бұрын

The goal was to have a lightweight rifle, controllable in full auto, that fires a more powerful cartridge than 7.62 NATO. That's not possible with a 80k PSI ammo. Thats why they developed a rifle that's able to do that working at conventional pressure.

@stormiewutzke4190

2 жыл бұрын

@@neutronalchemist3241 That's not true. Recoil is caused by 2 things. One is just the same energy that is being put into the bullet coming back and the other is the rocket jet effects of the gas exiting. Higher PSI allows more velocity from a shorter barrel and the charge can be adjusted to the gun and its intended role. Meaning a smaller case could be used. If a firearm could be made to work at 100k PSI and not have energy robbed by the case it would be possible to get this sort of performance out of very short barrels. It could improve even when used on a larger gun although if the case was built to perform in a 8"-10" barrel there probably isn't enough has volume for a long barreled gun but it may do well in something under 20".

Here’s hoping we won’t be facing Russian body armour any time soon, but, sadly we might be.

@moonboy2941

2 жыл бұрын

if we do, I think it's a little late to be coming up with new ideas for weapons and calibers to be used by the average infantryman.

@Menaceblue3

2 жыл бұрын

@@moonboy2941 You mean like how Putin is using old Soviet/early Russian federation equipment in the beginning waves against Ukraine?

@moonboy2941

2 жыл бұрын

@@Menaceblue3 no? They already have the equipment ready, in this case it's use it or lose it; the stuff depicted in the video hasn't even been decided upon by the us/NATO military, unless I completely missed the point here. I'm not following this rearmament situation very much, but as far as I understand, this is still in the picking stages of the proIect. In other words, different from what the ukraine equipment situation is.

MMM Hmmm what an efficient rifle combustion system! The break trough gun technology! Lovely!

Yes. We like sleek, new tech stuff.

I'm really interested seeing this Polymer ammo being tested in the other system of the Army competition.

Looks amazing. I really like it. I hope it gets sold to civilians eventually at a realistic price. It's a shame it doesn't have a quick change barrel though, as that would theoretically allowed for different calibers with a barrel swap (like .308 and 6.5 Creedmore).

@mattrobson3603

2 жыл бұрын

Just because the barrel isn't quick-change doesn't mean that there wouldn't be different caliber barrels available. Some disassembly for a barrel swap wouldn't make it appreciably more difficult on change calibers on the range. That being said, most people who I've seen talking about wanting to do that with a gun never really ended up doing it. They either sold the barrel/upper, or they just built it out into a gun dedicated to that caliber.

@TheSouthernshark

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattrobson3603 yeah because it's an AR-15, which doesn't have a quick change barrel, and because the AR-15 upper is so cheap to begin with that there really isn't any motivation to do something like that. But getting a dedicated upper here doesn't seem possible. So it would be nice to be able to change calibers with a barrel change. .308, 6.5 CR, and 6.8mm TV all use the same bolt and mag. So it would be a handy thing. Maybe down the line as it progresses.

Now this weapon will be added in BF2042 as the RM69, and it will be deployed in game alongside the MCX Spear.

Yes, I agree, sadly it has a high recoil, and this will mitigate against accuracy, especially at the longer range targets.