My biggest issue was not even Heller. As much as I find him kind of "basic" he's fine. My issue is the fact that prototype 1 was building up to something. After defeating the absurdly powerful Elizabeth green we learn that she (and Mercer) where merely imperfect incarnations of the virus. But Elizabeth had a son PARIAH who was a perfect incarnation of the virus. I remember being so exited to learn more. I even thought that you would be PARIAH in Prototype 2 or at least that it would be a part of the game. But no, everything that the first game was building up to was replaced with the most basic "good old American soldier fights monster to save his daughter" In a vacuum i don't hate Heller, but in considering what could have been explored I hate him for the space he took. Specially because that's the last prototype we ever got. Super disappointing. "But the effects where decent"

The devs clearly didn't understand subtlety. It's honestly painful how heavy-handed Galloway's character is a walking, talking stereotypical femme fatale but without any of the charisma you expect from one.

@sleepyhyrule6894

6 күн бұрын

She convinced heller not to kill her at first. How is she not charismatic?

A straight man here: I fucking hate it when "look at the sexy. Look over there. THERES A BOOOOOOB!" happens in entertainment that isnt porn. There is a time and a place and if the sexual scenes arent fundamental to the story, it just feels reductive.

@danialyousaf6456

2 ай бұрын

Hell I find it boring in porn as well lol.

As a straight man, I just find the arse scene comical. It looks detached from her body somehow and the cheeks don't even deform with her posture. Sorry to get (possibly) over analytical about a cgi bum but that's just my personal take. In general though, no it doesn't bother me if there's a reason for it. It can be pleasant but there's no real context in this case and so I'd just roll my eyes and maybe laugh.

15:24 I, as a straight male, have played this game and have observed that scene twice (because I replayed it) and the scene just kinda didn't register, like I knew she was seducing, or trying to seduce Heller but it just didn't matter to me, like I saw that there was booty and I just went "Oh booty, Anyway..." and just kinda moved on because I was extremely more interested in acting out my power fantasy of murdering terrible people with a variety of viral superpowers, I also knew she didn't mean for any emotional connection and I knew this wasn't that kind of game so just inherently not concerned with it in the first place. Tl;dr No horny, only murder.

On the fanservice, i asked a bunch of anime fans that very question (regarding some scenes added into an adaptation)- and most guys said that if they like it, they don't care, and i've seen the same response from grown adult men even into their 40s, groups of men can get very animalistic in that sense. The other response i saw was my own, and like others have said i maybe cared for it when i was a teen (that was when i played this game anyway, so) but over time and after getting to know more ways to express and enjoy sexuality than "look at sexy body", it's just not enough- if i was horny enough then i'd just handle it, instead of walking on the line bc i felt gross about my own body. I do remember back then thinking about these kinds of scenes that it was weird, but if i liked it enough then horniness took over thinking. Iirc the moment i started thinking more about it was when i learned that there was such a thing as "female gaze", and the differences between what self-serving stories made for men and women look like, made me feel embarassed about how little i'd thought about it. Your commentary is great it feels almost as what me or a friend would say when replaying the game, but more thought out.

Sexual content and fan service only bothers me when it doesn't fit the tone of the story it's in.

Honestly think they should've made the main story about Alex Mercer genuinely wanting to end Blackwatch and Gentech but being secretive about it having "Evolved" infiltrating Blackwatch, Blackwatch doctoring video of the Alex releasing the second outbreak and listing it as something very classified to throw off any spies within the organizations and maybe getting them to join their side in it. This leading to James Heller being very very mistrusting of Alex because of this. This goes on for a while with back and forth of Alex trying to convince James he's trying to do good while Blackwatch and Rooks plants seeds of doubt, eventually having Mercer and Heller getting into a fight and the player being given the choice of killing Mercer or letting him live. If you kill him his memories turn out that he was telling the truth the entire time. If you don't kill him he tells you everything he kept secret. What that is I'd just leave up to better writers than I. Maybe all the agents he has, his exact plans for taking down blackwatch, or even just that his plan isn't fully thought out. But either choice having the same ending of finding out Colonel Rook to be the first of the "Evolved" Mercer made and wanting to release the virus globally, with depending on your choice having Mercer aiding you in the fight, or being much more powerful for consuming Mercer.

To defend Heller statement about Galloway being "clearly crazy". Galloway on first meeting have so many red flags that I kinda agree with Heller here. So Galloway knowing Heller is an super powered human who could literally eat her to get the infomation he wanted, but decided instead of being afraid and bargain him for her usefulness alive, tried to seduce him and with a hint of trying to use him instead? Heller made the right call, heck I would even call that a plus point for Heller as a character. Dude got enough emotional intelligence to know who is using him and who is on his side without eating them.

Dude speaking here, regarding your question about how we/I view booty in games... it is distracting, as in it pulls me out of the game usually. I loved Miranda in Mass Effect, but the camera focusing on her booty while she is describing her childhood traumas is insane. These thing have their time and space.

I wish my goat Alex stayed good. Made me immediately switch up when he went down the: “I can cure the world and remake it in my much better image after I completely tear it down” path

To comment on the sexualized "check out my ass" pose type stuff. The answer, I'd say, not surprisingly is "It depends." Overly sexualized characters do work and can be both fun and effective, but it's often more about the setting they are placed in than the character itself. I.e. A character like Bayonetta or Catwoman blatantly posing sexually and making constant sexual innuendos actually does work quite well because with both of those examples they are present in worlds that are already presented as over the top and unrealistic. In the case of Bayonetta she is presented as a seductress character who uses sex appeal alongside her magical powers in order to defeat angels (many of which also have a sexual overtone). She also uses said behavior to mask her personal insecurities throughout the series as a sort of pseudo-persona that over the course of the series does in fact sort of fuse with her more venerable sides into her true character. Catwoman, especially from the Arkham Games or some of the comics is likewise a great example of this trope being done right (at least most of the time, let's not get into the whole topic of comics inevitably being messed up by bad artists who don't understand the characters). Said behavior seems much less out of place in a world where said main character is not only a superhero, but is surrounded by an entire rogues gallery, most of whom all represent aspects of said character. In the case of Catwoman, she is supposed to represent (at least in comparison to Batman, her character has other traits in respect to other characters) she is supposed to represent the concept of freedom, passion, and not caring about responsibilities. Essentially things Batman is well known to try and keep in check as he doesn't wish to lose control of himself. Now, we could discuss whether the trope of "emotionally damaged sexy woman with self-control issues and self-destructive habits" is an inherently problematic archetype (I would argue it's not at least as a starting point), but that's a whole other topic than the question posed regarding sex appeal. To hark back to the original question, it's more about execution and worldbuilding than just does a character pose and look all sexy. For me it's about whether or not it fits the world and does it make sense for said character to be sexualized. Though milage may vary for others.

colest thing about this game truly is how cool the blackwatch soldiers looked, they did not need to go so hard on that hood and mask combo

@user-nw1je1ur6t

2 ай бұрын

The shoulder pads where a bit too much

Coming from your first [PROTOTYPE] video I have to say, your alliterations are unhinged - and I love it. Keep going! Well produced overviews and recaps, tight presentation of personal opinion with a lot of humor and wonderful narration. Greatly enjoyable content.

15:32 Yeah, "patronizing" feels like a good way to describe it. It's often very tedious and immediately makes it hard to care about what's happening with the character.

One thing that I think would successfully retcon/improve Alex Mercer in this game, is that in a potential Prototype 3 it would be revealed that in Prototype 1 when Alex Mercer regenerated from the nuke, it wasn't just ONE Alex/Backlight that regenerated, but multiple, or at least two. Then the Mercer fought in Prototype 2 could have just been a shard of Mercer that had more memories from evil Black Watch assholes, which is why P2 Mercer was so evil. Then we could find out that the MAIN portion of Alex was actually doing something against Black Watch in other parts of the country while Small pp Alex in New York was being stupid. It would also explain why P2 Mercer is lacking some of his powers from P1, he literally regenerated from so small of a fragment that he didn't have that genetic info anymore. Then we could play as another rando protag (preferably a semi-custom character like Shepard or V are), and eventually Who gets turned into a Blacklight human through maybe some fight between any number of Blacklighters, and we accidentally become infected. Then we could eventually meet older Blacklight humans like Mercer, Heller, and Pariah. Then our CC could go through similar existential crises, but then could be helped by Mercer or Heller who have already gone through shit like that. Edit 1* 11:37 I mean... if Heller's D.N.A. (which is shown the be "dominant", whatever that technically means) dominated the guy's vocal cords who was injected with his D.N.A., then yeah, it's "bullshit anime/videogame science" plausible that he'd have Heller's voice. Edit 2* 24:27 - 25:17 To be fair, if Maya was white, you likely wouldn't be having this opinion because of your added "context". So when exactly will it be okay to depict black or white characters in equally bad situations? 10 years? 50 years? 200 years? I hear people making 9/11 jokes as though it were a distant memory despite it only being about 23 years ago, meanwhile the vast majority of the unethical experiments that black Americans were subjected to took place around 50 years ago or longer. Sure, you could look at it from the angle of continued racial prejudice in "inseret current year", but I honestly don't think it's as big of an issue as you're making it out to be. Hell, when I first played Prototype 2, I had literally *ZERO* knowledge of that heinous shit (and if I did, I was young enough to not connect the dots), so I didn't even notice it. Though since I also didn't play Prototype 1, I didn't have the context of Redlight being and "anti-race" virus. Actually, I think it's a bit fucked-up irony that Mercer wanted Maya (a character who's Black) to be the "mother" of the new Blacklight age, when Redlight was developed to "kill people like her". I won't deny it's really fucking twisted, but it's also kinda funny. Dark humor hits people differently. Edit 3* I'm just going to assume that all likes on my comment are for the first section that talks about the Mercer problem rather than my Edit* timestamps... maybe I should have mad emultiple comments... Edit 4* Some spelling corrections

Prototype 1's story wasn't that great. But it had good twists, and a cool idea for an anti-hero who COULD take over the world but ended up more human than the humans he killed. Prototype 2 feels like some edgy middle schooler to high schooler's fanfiction after they played 1/3rd of the first game and assumed they knew how it ended.

8:47 SO THATS WHY YOU ADDED THE ABLEISM! Im an autistic young man and although I am verbal, that shit hit me like a fully loaded train going 300mph. I physically lept out of my seat.

These days, the butt is, "Ah, a well-crafted butt. Moving on." As a stereotypically hormonal teenager, "Fuck yeah. Booty." In both time periods, I get annoyed if it's really ham-fisted into the scene or moment. Nonsense posing, in particular, will piss me off.

Straight guy here: Yea no, games doing this kinda weird nonsense makes me as a person feel... Almost slighted. It makes me feel as if there's a generalized image that is being fed into and I dislike it. That being said, the prototype game series deserves a complete reboot with a much better story. This ain't it.

15:38 Very much patronizing, like they don’t have enough confidence in the characters so they have to rely on over-sexualization

As a teenager, I thought these games were metal as hell, and Alex becoming a villain was awesome. As an adult, its character assassination and just plain crap writing. Prototype 2 wouldve been so much better if it had taken a similar route as DMC4. The previous protagonist is broken as shit, nothing is a real threat to him anymore, so heres someone new. Go nuts.

My head canon is that Mercer WANTED someone to become strong to kill as a Hero with unwavering conviction, then go after Gentec out of sheer spite. Mercer knew he had gone too far and pretended to be the biggest bad after the comics so he could potentially unite humanity against him. Then Heller as an X factor came into his plan who turned out to be resistant to the Virus (to some degree) making him the ideal candidate to antagonize and have Heller consume him to end it once and for all then going after Gentec. Mercer knew Heller wouldn't be corrupted with all that power and just LET HELLER CONSUME HIM and the line "Welcome to the top of the food chain" in a stereotypical villain tone so Heller could really stop it from getting more worse. He wanted Heller to take his Patient Zero powers and him use it to save humanity. Lets just hope Prototype 3 comes soon and Heller isn't big bad or Mercer gets retconned and somehow revived.

Tbh, Galloway is written to be disgusting in the most stereotypical unsubtle way possible. To the point that despite playing the game several times, it was your video that made me notice the completely unhinged camera angle used. But more importantly is that she is written this way as retroactive "justification" for Heller to act as a donkey(idk if I can use the other word I wanted on YT). It's as if his dialogue was written first and then author decided that "yes, it's good and it's staying this way" so he needed someone to fall onto all that edge. The main problem here comes from value dissonance. These are two blobs of biomass. Gender, sex and all that bs is past them. "Not him, IT"-General Randall. It's like seeing one T-1000 trying to hit on other T-1000. Player is just hit with this out of left field. As for comparison with Miranda and how straight men see her - we like Miranda, but not in that way and there's a reason she's shipped so hard with Jack while most player see only Liara or Tali(or Garrus. And cry about Samara)😅 I feel like you overfixated on the fact that Redlight was designed to be able to distinguish race of the target among other things(like the whole purpose of operation Carnival 2?) and lost a bit of a picture with Blacklight later on. They wanted programmable bioweapon that would magically do everything. They wanted it to target by race, by region, by diet or other markers, be able to target one specific person by their DNA, be able to give them supersoldiers, be able to be nonlethal and superlethal simultaneously and so on. And how do you make a universal weapon that can UNDERSTAND the given task to perform such wild variety of contradicting roles? That wild overblown technical requirement of "I want it to do everything" that we see so often from clients in any engineering or software field is what led to Blacklight being intelligent. And being intelligent meant that it could make its own choices. Like choosing NOT to be all of that. In a way Prototype has a plot similar to Universal Soldier(I hope I'm referring the right movie. The one where a soldier is declared obsolete and dumped on some planet only to learn that he's human). Proper sequel to Prototype 1 that treats both character and player with respect would be Terra Invicta with a bit of ShenzhenIO/MagnaOpus. And you can't sell that as competitor to InFamous 2😅

A funny thing you didn't mention even tho you pronounce Father Guerra's name as "gu-e-ra" it's actually "geh-rra" and Guerra in spanish means "War" so his name is pretty much "Father War" lmao.

*Caveman noises* Nah, JK. Zooming in on Miranda's lower lower back during some of the convos in Mass Effect was crazy. 😂

I would have loved the story more if Heller turned into a complete softy when his daughter was around, it would have also been nice if she was involved sooner.

15:35 It feels like a cheap way to get people to play your game by adding some lazy sex appeal. I’m not a prude but it just comes across as lazy and for perverts. It’s like the pan shot in an anime that starts at a girl’s feet and slowly goes up, it’s very obvious what they are trying to do and its pathetic. I feel like having a sexually appealing character works better when establishing an actual character for them at the start with the general idea that they are beautiful and build onto that with learning more about them and maybe getting a little more riskay to just compound on the player’s emotional attraction. They do the latter in shows/movies a lot but miss the bit about making them appealing characters.

I agree on the blackwatch part. In the first game they were clearly evil sure but it always seemed more like a necessary evil. In 2 they are cartoonistly evil.

I’m a straight dude so I’ll answer the fan service question, my answer is that I don’t really care most of the time. Reason why is because fan-service USUALLY goes both ways. For every sexed up woman there’s a sexed up man. In this context tho, yeah it shouldn’t be there.

In response to the question about the painfully hamfisted "evil seductress" bit; Yeah, it is *very* patronizing. I would much rather have some genuinely interesting characters instead of the barrage of sexy lamps we're typically given. Can an interesting female character also be highly attractive? Sure. But why sacrifice the former just to fixate on the latter? One trait is essential while the other is entirely extra.

About Galloway's slightly oversexualized first scene: I think you're thinking a bit too deep about this. Even if we disregard the fact that she was factually bargaining for her life in her own way, the scene is mildly awkward at best. I am a white heterosexual man, and even I sometimes see scenes in games/movies that are way over the top with this kind of presentation. When something like *this scene* happens though, I just go... "Nice." And don't give it much thought afterwards.

She was flirting?...I always thought it was just how she stood...i mean it made sense if you didn't want to sit down but wanted to be at eye level with the screen you eith pick the laptop up or bend down to get at that level. Also Blackwatch in 2 looked slightly cooler for the grunts but it really feels like their character was murdered. Like P1 Blackwatch was cold and like dark Grey, but they weren't evil. They were doing what they had to to contain a rampant infection. They were a very ends justify the means group which isnt great but in the context of what was going on was understandable. P2 Blackwatch just felt like laughably black evil in comparison to the the aforementioned cold, Dark Grey of 1.

15:40 I’ll say this much. It’s about execution. If the character is introduced and built up in a way that the use of their “Assets” is expected. Then you’ve got the making for a 3-dimensional character. Miranda from ME and Ada Wong are good examples of the shady seductress troupe. But this bimbo who we just met, halfway through the game, is already hamming it up for her “Assets” A surface cliche and what makes it worse is that Heller is in no way reciprocating, so it’s not even engaging with character dynamics. There’s a reason we gamers love Miranda and Ada Wong, I’ll even throw in Kitana from MK. These characters are more that their sex appeal and their dynamics with other characters make them very memorable. Ok I’m done. 21:21 So I guess I’m not done. Galloway feels really dumb in this brief segment, Heller had not positive reaction the first time she came on to him so she should understand there is no point to any further attempts at seduction. Additionally what is she even offering him? Heller has 0 desire to just fuck off especially now that he believes his daughter is alive. This really feels dumb and gratuitous but more importantly it’s a waste of time. 24:01 I wouldn’t be surprised if this was some kind of disconnect with the main story writers and the background writers, the background stuff reads like an edgy bois tale on what an “Evil” organization is, whilst the main story is trying (Keyword “Trying” not necessarily succeeding) to be more nuanced about the characters and situations, Galloway being the obvious exception.

Personally as a straight man with autism and ADHD scenes like that have always made me feel uncomfortable. Especially in cases where yhe camera oggles a character that believes they are alone/in a safe space or any situation where the person in question is not showing direct interest.

Booty in gaming does nothing for me, depending on the game it may give a chuckle, but that's only if it's more hexagonal than round. Honestly if you didn't mention Galloway be a horny scorny roly-poly I probably wouldn't have noticed. I mean, if something wasn't overtly sexual -- think the deadpool game -- it'd go over my head. Tbf I'm a bit dull, so it might just be a skill issue... awareness issue? An issue.

15:30 It's complicated, if I'm by myself and it happens my reaction will be "wow, that's a nice butt, moving on." If I'm watching it with friends, family, or in public I'll probably find it a little embarrassing because unfortunately people will judge you for such things. Unless the fanservice shot completely ruins the tone/pacing of a scene I'll never say no to seeing a nice butt. That being said, I am extremely horny, and fully cognizant of that fact, I don't think there's anything wrong with being horny, but also I don't think there's anything wrong with not being horny. I do take issue when people shame others for their sexuality, whether that be their orientation, libido or lack there of, or fetishes (so long as they aren't hurting others IRL or supporting people who do so). This scene I doesn't bother me, the butt is nice and the fact that she's doing it demonstrates she's either trying to manipulate him or is just plain crazy (which Heller picks up on). Was it necessary to use that angle for the scene? no, but I don't fault them for doing so, they had a scene where a female character was trying to seduce the protagonist and took the opportunity to put a nice butt on screen. I also completely understand why some might not enjoy that sort of thing, it's a matter of personal preference. My opinion on that sort of thing is very "live and let live." The only justification an artist needs for including something in their work is "I wanted to." The Audience is under no obligation to justify their enjoyment of a work.

@antimarmite

2 ай бұрын

I also think that it is worth noting that any non-protagonist in a story will always be objectified, whether sexually, emotionally, or otherwise, I feel like the focus on sexual objectification is because of the sex-negative culture we live in. Sex-negativity both encourages bad eroticism *in* media, and plays a role in why the eroticism makes people uncomfortable. Sex-negativity doesn't acknowledge human agency in regards to sex, for women this robbing of agency is very overt, portraying sex as something done *to* women rather than something they are an active participant in. This leads to media having erotic depictions of women that don't factor in the woman's desires/consent, let alone remind the audience of the importance thereof. On the male end of the gender spectrum, Sex-negativity also robs men of their agency as it depicts them as enslaved by their libido, and as such it not only doesn't hold men accountable for their own actions regarding sex, but it also pushes a harmful lie that says that men can't be victims of sexual assault. zooming out a bit, I've always found it strange that no one seems to recognize non-sexual objectification and the potential harm there. Countless humans are killed brutally by the protagonist in the main story of so many games, but the depiction of those people as weapons, tools, and/or threats that can be killed without a second thought is rarely brought up. Merchants are often treated as little more than a vending machine that can talk back, and so on. objectification is something humans do. Humans view others through the lens of what they want from them. Female-oriented media objectifies men all the time, though sexual objectification is not *as* common, it is still there. More common in female-oriented media is the objectification of a male character as a source of money or emotional comfort. The last one might sound strange but an easy example is the "gay best friend" trope, in which a gay man is used as an object of emotional comfort by a female character. That's only one example though, a less obvious example is a male love interest being depicted as comforting one of the female cast, but never (or is never allowed to) express his own wants and desires. 2014's Maleficent was guilty of objectifying its male cast imo, the degree to which every male character was portrayed as either stupid, evil, or subservient to a female character was honestly one of the few times in my life I think I experienced the discomfort many women feel when seeing sexual objectification of female characters.

@antimarmite

2 ай бұрын

(continuing from my other reply) I also think the damage objectification in media does is greatly exaggerated, I think that the overwhelming majority of people can easily differentiate between an NPC in a game and a people in real life.

When it comes to standard male gaze fanservice like this, I'm of two minds. On one hand, I do generally enjoy looking at sexy ladies being flaunted on the screen. But on the other hand, I can also roll my eyes at it depending on how it's done, and wouldn't fault anyone for criticizing it. I do prefer it when they put a little more thought and nuance into it, even if I can appreciate fanservice for its own sake. I'd also prefer it if there was more equality among the genders when it comes to fanservice - if you want to put some sexy ladies in there just to have sexy ladies, lean in and have some sexy dudes as well.

The algorithm suggested your videos to me, and honestly I got hooked cuz of your witty humour and charm. And your voice, I just love it

On my opinion of tha Gratuitous A$$ Shot, when I first saw it as a hormonal teenage boy my personal reaction was along the line of "Wow, nice a$$... but why though?". I think even then I knew that it was unnecessary and didn't fit the tone or aesthetic of the game so in the end it was less enticing and more funny because it just had no point.

Do I like Galloway behind? Yes. Do I like her as a character? No.

Fanservice is a strange thing for me. I do enjoy attractive and even fairly overtlty sexual female characters in games. But, it does come off as checkmarky and just like the writers kink. Also, if they really wanted to, they should've gone all the way and given her a very feminine infected armor form with all that entails.

15:35 Oh absolutely, I feel patronized by really lazy uses of the "women bending over backwards" or more specifically "the male gaze". It CAN be used to great comedic effect in certain parody anime, movies, tv shows, games etc. Lollipop Chainsaw being one huge example. But in super serious games such as Prototype I just find it distracting, especially when it does nothing for the plot, nothing for the player, and tells us nothing for Galloway as a character. Kinda harmless, but I know many more examples where the male gaze is very not harmless in media. Thank you for highlighting this.

15:36 Eh, it never really bothered me. The most these kind of scenes get outta of me is "oh that's kinda sexy" and then my focus goes back to whatever the game is supposed to be about. Fanservice is something I only really notice as its happening but it never really lingers in my mind long enough for me to form an opinion.

@clint4527

25 күн бұрын

Yep, eyes rolled and move on.

The Galloway shot flew over my head when I was younger but that's only speaking for me as I mainly played and watched movies to do and see cool stuff and have fun. gripes I have though is that I recall the audiolog about the gangrape as being said soldier policing other civilians but I haven't played the game in a while so I will have to check that for myself And the brothel I do not recall at all, but my main issue is that it feels out of place for blackwatch, they went from cold and surgical to cartoonishly evil. Even the suit reflects this it went from simple and practical to edgy rendition of a combine metrocop with a hoodie and arm blade to boot, like... Why?

On the ass scene. Keep in mind, at the time this was aimed at teenagers and in that time, with both Prototype 1 and 2, a good lot of teens still had that heavy edge phase. To a teenager, that woman would've possibly been one major banger at the time. Just explaining the thought process back then on that scene. It hasn't aged well, and today, and i think even back then for me, it was too much. Even I, who has serious trouble reading the room at times, could tell the writers and such were trying waaay too hard. As for fanservice... look I'll be blunt, it has a time and place, and you can blame incredibly inappropriate scenes in anime, but i like my fanservice to be appropriaty nuanced and tasteful. There is fanservice with pure crassness of a blunt hammer, then there is fanservice with proper class and civility. Both on men and women.

Oh man, I remember this game. I thought that the first Prototype game was heavy handed edgelord story on steroids, but the sequel dialed the edgelord factor to 12 and threw out any of the good parts of the story and made Blacklight even more cartoonishly evil. The scene I remember the most was when Blacklight released a Hunter into civilians for no goddamn reason. It was just so pointless and edgy, good lord...

I've never played this game, but watching this video, it truly does feel like Galloway was only tacked on for you know what, especially given that her in game model does not fit with the rest of the game. It stands out like a sore thumb. They really did just make her for that.

Gameplay had improvements... Story went down the drain. Seriously... Everyone had reasonable expectations, understanding, and interest for what could happen next. This story... Took a good concept if you didn't read the comics and then slapped you across the face for expecting a good story. Those who read the comics didn't think they would do something this stupid especially with how much the first game had Mercer change, shaped, aided, and grew from good people trying to be good people. Yet... This story forgot most of the previous story and left many fans like myself banging my head against the wall. The only theory that was good that I heard from this game from fans... Was the split virus/personalities theory. In essence the nuke went off. Bits of Mercer flew everywhere. Our boy was the one that ate a crow... Prototype 2 Mercer was the bits of the original Mercer who caused the first game mess. Thus multiple versions of himself based on the bits they had left over from the nuke blasting the main one... Minus those key pieces. It gives our Prototype Mercer back in the picture, explains why this Mercer seems so off... And gives us a chance to continue with the first game plot and goal and finding that kid!

@godzillazfriction

2 ай бұрын

did you actually spewed out a completely nonsensical theory as headcanon but then acted like it was actually a 'canon' story beat of Alex Mercer in the 2nd game... don't ever bring in your thinking skills to the table, i beg of you...

@godzillazfriction

2 ай бұрын

plus gameplay didn't necessarily have objectified 'improvements'...

@qwefg3

2 ай бұрын

Who claimed the head theory was cannon? It was just one of the things other people had said before in the faint stupid hope that a third game could be made. It probably will not happen as this is a dead IP and if they went back to it they would probably reboot it.

@qwefg3

2 ай бұрын

Less glitches. Prototype 1 had a lot of issues with some of the actions meant to disable/defeat certain foes as another foe could interrupt you.

@shadowmasterking

2 ай бұрын

Gameplane improves you mean how they gutted the The combat into print square press triangle. And repeat that over and over

15:35 I don't like it because I usually need a reason to get attached to the female character in question beyond her looks

As a straight male, I don't have a problem with fanservice. It can be used to serve multiple purposes. Yes, likely the #1 reason is to allow for objectification of one's physique. Those cleavage and butt shots are used where they are for the enjoyment of those who occasionally wanna see a nice view, not to annoy or disgust those who don't. Let's not act like it doesn't go both ways though. I've seen plenty of content in games, movies and books that had me thinkin, "yeah that was definitely 4 da ladies." Point is, we either like what we see or we don't, and that's OK. Many times though it can give insight to how a character see's themselves or how the main character views the world around him/her. In this game I got the sense that Galloway thought of herself as a woman with sex appeal and not afraid to use it. Thus, the sentiment Heller had after he left. Perhaps he noticed it, too and she just wasn't his cup of tea. For Miranda from ME2 & 3 her sex appeal was as much a part of her character as her intelligence. She was genetically engineered to be as generally attractive as possible for the purpose of being able to use that aspect whenever she saw the opportunity. The camera angles served to reinforce that. For a woman to think that of herself, chances are she will move and idle in ways meant to draw the attention of whom it may concern to whatever she thought were her most notable assets. Many years ago my wife introduced me to a book series called "Anita Blake: Vampire Hunter," written by Laurel K. Hamilton. I read the first 20 books and a reoccurring theme was that the main character was an attractive woman that viewed herself through humble eyes, which I felt was reflected in the fact that she rarely ever described herself from a 1st person perspective. She did manage to fall in love with a vampire by the name of Jean Claude whom by her account not only was very attractive to her but he had a knack for moving and idling in ways that caused her to stare uncontrollably, and he knew he was doing it. That was part of his character. All that being said, I have also seen situations where fanservice had no point whatsoever other than just to be fanservice and it can come off as weird when used in situations that contradict the mood the scene is trying to set. Bottom line, not all fanservice is created equal. LOL

The fan service in any game always makes me uncomfortable as a man. Doesn't make me any more attached to a character without ASS being shoved in my face. Also tends to be the moment when people always walk in😂

@guggelguggel7491

2 ай бұрын

I am once again reminded of Pyra xenoblade 2 whose ginormous tits and ridiculous outfit made it hard to take any scene seriously because she looked like a titty slapstick harem anime girlie. Sorry, only slightly related to your comment.

@sureshkumar-qw9ny

2 ай бұрын

You are either in doubt of your own sexuality or putting up an act. Also usually a character for fanservice isn't intended as someone you should attached to or a critical character for the story. But if they are then i understand you and in the same boat, this too only if these scenes contradict their narrative purpose. For example here it doesn't really took me out of the scene because i just saw her gesturing in a seducing way to a mutant few second before that particular scene.

Hello, I am straight male, and that Sabrina Galloway scene was out of place to me too

@STFUppercut69

3 ай бұрын

I'm a straight male too and I liked the scene.

@khanlusa

3 ай бұрын

@@STFUppercut69 And that's fine, because both of you are individuals and I asked a question expecting to get varied answers 👌

15:36 Oh I like it when it's silly and in real life sure but yeah, in games it's not enticing to me. I had a coworker I would flirt with and I gave her a compliment asking if she worked out in saying she looks like she lost weight. She promptly turned around and bent over in her leggings to grab a drink from the employee fridge and I was like, "NICE!" But that's real life, that's tangible. A video game? Meh, I ran around blowing up girls with nude skins on Unreal Tournament, no amount of nudity could distract me enough to warrant their survival over mine.

God I was not expecting autism and the mistreatment of it coming up in this video. Khan I really thank you for bring it up. It's an issue I always focus on given that I myself am autistic. Particularly being that of Asperger's which has since been renamed for obvious reasons as Dr. Asperger conspired with the Nazis... I still call myself an aspie though as many others do.

Funfact: the guy who voiced James Heller also voiced Brad from the first Dead Rising.

If I was 15, I'd be very happy for the patronizing sexualization. But I'm not... I have had relationships with real women and am married to one. It is very patronizing and gives off strong ick vibes.

Yes, looking at hot women is indeed fun for those who need to be reassured of that.

>points out some weird behavior that definitely doesn’t happen irl with women >character is called crazy >precedes to question why she was called crazy In all honesty that type of fan service is unappealing it’s definitely built for like crazed 14 year olds

@AAA6196

17 күн бұрын

People praise this game for being better then the first one but it’s definitely not imo feels like an edgelords 14 year olds day dream

@AAA6196

17 күн бұрын

Also it’s quite obvious that Mercer virus let heller strain live due to him believing that heller was more worthy and his “welcome to the top of the food chain” comment is his way of saying you get to make the calls now as the little faith Mercer virus has in humans convinces him that his power should go to heller and his empathy is one of his greatest strengths alongside well powers and willpower

I'm a mostly straight white man and I don't like the overly blatant sexualization. Probably wouldn't have even around 20 years ago when I was in my teens. Won't lie though, I would go for both Link and the Astolfo of the Fate franchise at the same time.

@yaboistryker3750

3 ай бұрын

My friend you are bi

damn mercer really went on an incel rage

15:27 - When it defies logic, it feels like the media thinks I'm a goddamn 12-13 year-old boy that's completely oblivious to media manipulation tactics. It often makes me physically roll my eyes because it's so blatant. Such as the aforementioned ME2 Miranda example. It makes more sense in something like Metroid because the Zero Suit to me implies that it's like a second layer of skin meant to provide a bridge between Samus and the Power Armor that she wears, but Miranda prancing around in what amounts to just shy of a latex gimp suit in armed combat would've greatly detracted from the experience if I had any desire to bring that sussy bitch along in the first place. I enjoyed it when the Eclipse merc leader retorted "Take your best shot..." with "I was waiting for you to finish getting dressed. ...Or does Cerberus really let you whore around in that outfit?" Followed by Jack cutting in with "I like her... are we still recruiting?" But it doesn't change the fact that it makes no logical sense and moves like those are just meant to justify the existence of fanservice by doing self-aware callouts. That said, when you have things like that one back-to-back ass-shot scene in Tremors 2, or the player character dancing at the strip club in Saints Row regardless of their gender, etc. I like it *WAAAAAAAAAAAY* more. Because it's not so much calling itself out as justification, so much as saying "yeah, we're objectifying, but *EVERYONE* gets something tasty to look at, not just you" which I respect. Also, I feel that the problem with sex and relationships in stories is that they more often than not feel like completely separate entities shoe-horned in for the sake of broad appeal. I'm often reminded of a Yahtzee's review, I think it was one of the Western Silent Hill games where he talked about a pointless romance story. He said something to the effect of "Imagine a world where every film regardless of tone or genre had to include at least one line-dancing competition, we'd all think they were insane! Yet here we are expected to engage with a forced romance more out of place than any of the supposed "horror" we're meant to be facing!" It's rare for me that it feels natural and human in nature for me. An example of something I actually found really interesting is a conversation with a Sniper at Camp McCarrin in Fallout New Vegas when you ask her about how she feels when killing the Fiend gang members. And she talks about how sometimes she thinks about the effects of the drugs having ravaged the minds of the women and warped them to the point where they can't even see what they're doing is wrong anymore. But she admits that maybe the only reason she thinks that way is because she wants to "get in their pants". An acknowledgement that sexual attraction and desire can prevent us from de-humanizing others, yet that lack of de-humanization simultaneously is potentially dependent upon sex, gender, racial, and/or physical attributes that no one can control. Even beyond outright de-humanization, just *suggesting* that a character is cognizant of, and might be wrestling with, personal biases in relation to the amount of empathy they feel and desire to reach out to others it *WAAAAAAAAAY* deeper and more philosophical than most *MAIN CHARACTERS* get in stories, let alone one random NPC. Though, the sniper doesn't let that prevent her from doing her job. The conflicting notion exists, but she's rational and knows that this is not a world where luxuries like mercy, drug addiction treatment, and mental health care are cheap, easy to come by, and plentiful, and keeping the NCR and civies safe by putting them down is the right thing to do. 20:54 - Henry Kissinger from beyond the grave: "Sounds perfectly reasonable to me, I don't know what you're talking about..."

I’ve never really cared about things like the way Miranda and Galloways’ treatment because I’ve never really paid attention. That said, I’m an autistic and learning empathy has allowed me to understand that being objectified like that probably feel pretty shit

I dont want the fanservice. Fan service for me is when i get to have a good game and a good story nowadays. The bar has been lowered extremely as of late in the indistry and im not happy

Prototype 1: who am i ? Prototype 2: swearing.

Regarding the male gaze discussion at about 15 min, I don't think I ever got excited or anything even remotely like that with stupid ass shots like Sabrina and Miranda from Mass Effect It always feels like some ridiculous thing added for horny teenagers with little to zero ability to actually interact with a woman

@ztheo2280

Ай бұрын

honestly the ones of miranda were ok as a teen. they didnt force her into weird positions and yeah the suit is pretty tight but thats just her kinda. but this example was pretty uncomfortable

The way I feel about fanservice is as follows: I see it my neurons activate for a second and then i immediately feel like a baby being spoonfed. It's so low effort and weak that it flips around to be unnatractive. The most effective "fan service" i've ever experienced was balalaika from black lagoon that is how you make an attractive character IMO

Characters and scenes like this that are solely there for fanservice kind of take me out of the game. Nobody in those positions acts like that. It comes off as a bad caricature of what a child thinks flirtatious behavior is, and that kind of storytelling trope needs to die and GTFO of games you want me to take remotely seriously.

For Galloway it was so dark that i genuinely did not notice those shots

I wish we could have saved Sabrina Galloway. She just wanted to live...

Then someone flaunts any kind of interest or does that kind of behavior straight away feels more like a red flag or honey potting.

15:58 The scene was just funny in a way. Prototype 2 is not as serious as the Prototype 1 tried to be. I mean for gods sake, it has memes in it. It was fitting in a way. But she can kind of get away with it considering who and what she is.

With the fanservice as a fellow lady I don't really care alot, mind goes "oh a nice butt, anyway". Only time I do care is if it the edgy kind. Example is for no reason strip a character nude than kill them. Im autistic tho so im not normal.

I swear it feels like half the reason you went on to review prototype 2 is to make more cannibalism food puns. Love it.

Ask some, "If old tea is used tea, what is old ink?" When they say " used ink," it sounds like "You stink." You got yourself!

22:51 I like the way it’s described in Babylon 5 “”they cut you open remove all your internal organs and make I nice neat little pile of you next to yourself”” said as only Londo can say it (I love that show it’s so good and is surprisingly good at predicting some of the nonsense that’s been happening over the last decade only with less spaceships and aliens).

15:34 a little bit mostly think its unneeded in most games also i didn't even notice it in that cutscene my first playthrough

Feels like prototype 2 has the story problems upfront that prototype 1 had issues on the back end.

if they wanted the MC from the first game to be the villen, make it so after mostly eating and dismantling the OG version of blackwatch he is kinda going mad, too many voices, and most of them terrible people. the world is objectively better off, and whats lest of blackwatch is (mostly) people who were out of the loop, and we watch as they hunt down mercer at first because they think he is a bioterrorist, learn he worked for them, and they made all this mess, and then realise he is loosing control, and he is eather saved by finding a way to split his mind and purge all the nautzies, leading to a bossfight where you have to incapacitate and incinerate it entirely to kill it, or watch as he succumbes to madness and be forced to kill him

About the sexualization. the Sabrina Scene specifically. I rarely go ick, but it most of the time is either a time waster like in this game, or annoying. Like, you are talking about murdering 3 dudes. don't know about you, but that isn't the most erotic thing i can think of. However, i think this sort of thing works on young boys. Like goes into puberty young. these kids are figuring things out and don't know what they like or understand why they like it. So scenes like it are usually to make kids enticed. Or for those who remain at a very low bar for entertainment in that way. If you want to contextualize these scenes for people other then you, i think the best way to think of them is the equivalent of a McDonalds 1$ Burger. it is the lowest effort, is palatable to a large group even if it is incredibly marginally so, and even if not enjoyed is over so fast that nobody does anything beyond complain. So unless it happens constantly and is not personality or even clever (MGS3's Eva is a good example) it's low effort making kids try to stay with the game and like it more. And it works. Hence it still being around.

Small correction. Blackwatch was made to protect America from bio weapons. Carnival 2 in hope idaho was done by the Army and afterwards Blackwatch was made using the best soldiers that held the line and captured Greene and her Child with Randall as its head. The rearch they did was moved on to a private company called Gentek and gentek hired mercer

@JoshSweetvale

2 ай бұрын

Blackwatch was made to watch blacks. I am not joking that's what the first game said. They were a white supremacist op who fell backward into the virus business when their racism virus went full Resident Evil.

15:27 Frankly for me as a striaght guy i dont see the appeal when they do it, unless its something more akin to Lady dimitrescu (which i think many can agree with me) where there is something sexualized in a way that vampires are depictided as sexual

@godzillazfriction

2 ай бұрын

gotta love the 'as a' argument... you're really speaking out on everyone and the argument to which you're making by pointing out 'as a' in contribution to your argument...

@godzillazfriction

2 ай бұрын

but your actual argument holds ZERO validation because you just went 'you know as a striaght guy, i don't see the appeal but the exception that many many ppl will have and will agree with me is Lady Dimitrescu because Vampires are often or made to be depicted as sexual'

As a straight guy it feels awkward. The sexualization, I mean... I guess its just not for me so I try to ignore it. But when its clear that its done just for fanservice or without any purpose then it can turn me off from a game completely.

It's so sad and tragic that Heller became more popped collar than man 😢

So short version? Prototype 2 was combat wise, simpler but less adaptive, the controls for moving across the map worked just as well and as fun as the first game...but on separate smaller maps that are not ANYWHERE near as fun to run across, and actually more boring. The story is simpler, but actually with a better cohesive feel (its basically a blacksploitation noir film style with wtf levels of mood swings that is halfway between funny and horrific) but with actual characters...that are just flat. In essence? Prototype 1 was made by an inexperienced studio that pulled off a great, if VERY flawed game, with some awesome mechanics, and a unique story presentation. Prototype 2? Same team, same messups, but with a ballooned budget that was still fun...but also flawed and deeply troubling with the same issues. And honestly? Having the game map be the entire island of Manhattan in the first game was THE best feature of the game, with it being fully explorable. That's the reason why Saints Row 4 opened up the Steelport map to being fully climable and traversable, because it was just cool.

Personally, I’m not a fan of gratuitous sexualization in media. It feels manipulative. My knee-jerk reaction to a scantily-clad woman is still “nice,” but it’s followed immediately by “is there a story REASON for this or are you just trying to drum up sales?” It’s usually the latter. I don’t like feeling manipulated, so I try to avoid rewarding that behavior with money. I used to play SMITE a lot, but I got tired of how hyper-sexualized all of the women were in order to make money on new skins. I couldn’t do it anymore, so I uninstalled. A shame because it was a fun game.

@khanlusa

10 күн бұрын

I tried to get into Smite at one point but stopped for the same reason it just felt kind of gross 💀 I have a level of tolerance for it because I kind of have to by default as a Female™ in gaming but RIP

Tbh ever since I was a kid fanservice in games and anime and hell even sex scenes and what not in movies have never really moved me tbh, I just find them unnecessary and at times uncomfortable

@jovenc4508

3 ай бұрын

It's annoying when fanservice is reduced to nothing but perverted or sexual scenes. Fanservice is more than that and I wish people would understand that. Fanservice can be subtle or overt references to a creator's past work or works that inspired that creator. Easter eggs like musical cues or background items to character/location names, you know, things that service the fans of those properties. It isn't just tits and ass.

@darkoracle7534

3 ай бұрын

@@jovenc4508 I believe they just focused on only one meaning of the word "service".

15:30 The issues one can infer from scenes like this, I would say, is highly dependent on the character and the story/game they are in. For Sabrina Galloway, it kinda makes sense that she'd be bending over provocatively, since she was acting horny around Heller. This is reaching, but you could say that she's doing this to try and manipulate Heller, and the camera is trying to frame it that way but Heller - and by extension we as the player - find it gross, off-putting, or don't even notice. I might be giving the creators a lot more credit but it could be on purpose. Then for example we have characters like Bayonetta, whose character and the game they are in is all about over-the-top, fun, camp. As a character, Bayonetta owns her sexuality, her personality reinforces it, and the camera doesn't leer or linger on her provocatively, it's used to show fun. That's when scenes like an ass shot or literally getting naked to kill an Angel don't invoke disgust but hype, in my opinion. And of course there's the "I'm a strong female character" no-nonsense-type and she's dressed in a chainmail bikini and all the cutscenes with her show her ass that's more distracting and out of place. Overall, like good presentation, there's a time, a place, and a meaning behind how a character is shown in a particular scene. Some have a clunky way of doing it like Prototype 2's Sabrina. Some have a pretty amazing way of doing it like Bayonetta. A LOT fall on their face stupid like the last example. Women are just unfortunately the ones that are always subjected to this, barely men.

The content warning and then that freaking music 3:08 , is this the standard😂

@khanlusa

2 ай бұрын

The juxtaposition amuses me ✨

I played with game twice and I never noticed Galloway being bent over....loved playing the game tho

First video I've seen from you, great stuff. Looking forward to next week's video and checking out what's in your backlog. Speaking to that question you asked about: I also tend to get the ick. I don't mind a character who is overtly sexual as long as it's handled well, but it's not something I expect or generally appreciate in my games. A good example would be someone like Lae'Zel from Baldur's Gate 3. She can go from hating your alien guts to wanting to bone pretty quickly, but it kinda works for her because she's the "Badass Warrior Woman" trope done *well*, so it makes sense for her to be honest and kinda forceful about her feelings. BG3 also doesn't overly sexualize its characters (not that I can remember), but several of them are allowed to be 'sexy' when it makes sense.

When I was a horny sixteen year old the scene with Galloway probably would have turned me on but as a twenty-nine year old it just feels awkward and slightly creepy. Miranda’s fan service from Mass Effect felt fitting, she’s egotistical and sure of her superiority from the fact she was genetically engineered so I felt it was as much an expression of her ego as anything else. Galloway doesn’t have that so it just feels weird

Who needs fanservice, my arm can turn into a giant claw LMAO

Great video! I remember playing both games growing up and feeling like it had untapped potential. By the way to answer your question as a cis straight guy I tend to roll my eyes to camera shots like that now a days. When I was kid I use to think "hehe nice" but now as an adult all I can think is "really? Who is this actually for"

Patronizing for sure, broadly speaking sex and its appeal has a tendency of feeling tacked on

As a straight man, I kinda hate when a game just "throws ass" at me as it feels like a patronizing way to keep me interested - like I wouldn't be able to remain invested in a story if there wasn't "sex appeal". One of my favourite game characters may be Bayonetta but that's not because she's so sexual, it's because she's a badass witch that fights angels and gods. Same reason I like the cheesiness of Dante in the DMC series.

A fun watch since months back, I found out/realized that I can no longer play this game again after so many years had past. USED to, and didn't get far into it, but now, it and its franchise is practically dead.

The weird thing was that Activision purchased a small video game company during the making of Prototype 2. The company that made the game Dark Sector. One of my favorite third person shooters from the Xbox 360. For 3 years and about $15 million the third game was worked on and then canceled. A few years later the Prototype collection was released for the PS4 and Xbox One. Basically the 2 games with all DLC’s, graphics updates, and a few fixes. It also has a content library for every achievement you unlock. Everything from concept art to the making of each game. Once you get all the achievements or trophies a very interesting thing unlocks. A playable demo for the third game but a pre-alpha version and commentary on concepts and ideas. For 3 years the working title was literally called Prototype 3 Dark Sector 2. Two ideas in one title. It was supposed to be both a prequel and sequel to the first two games. There was also supposed to be a Karma system and a more advanced system on the controls on the Glaive. Because War Frame came out Activision didn’t want to go through a legal battle for a third installment game. So it was cancelled.

@Tinker-13

2 ай бұрын

I’ve never heard of anything like this before. Can you tell me a source? I don’t have a PS4,5, Xbox One or series consoles,so I can’t get the Biohazard edition.

@joshportal2808

2 ай бұрын

@@Tinker-13 It was the online edition. The physical edition was called Duel for some odd reason. Both are the same but just called different. It was $16.99 online and $39.99 in stores.

@TheOppositeOfFunny

2 ай бұрын

@@joshportal2808 nice bait buddy

@Tinker-13

2 ай бұрын

@@joshportal2808 Ok, I’m even more confused on this. I looked up Dark Sector’s developer (Digital Extremes) and they’re not a part of Activision. Also I would think this Pre Alpha demo for [P3] would have been on Beta 64’s page on it.

@joshportal2808

2 ай бұрын

@@Tinker-13 Activision did buy the company of Digital Extremes or Raven but the actual contract people of the game. The main group of people that made Dark Sector were technically contractors for the game studios. After the game came out Activision took notice and made new contracts for these people for future games. Eventually everyone went from be contractors to employees of Activision. Most of them technically don’t make games anymore more, mostly story writers and concept artists. Their biggest money makers are the rare physical special editions they make now and again.

15:34 it's boring Please for the love of god just give me a good story. I don't give a shit aout sexy lady pose number 147 please just give me a good story. I'd rant more about this topic but I'd be here for far too long.

Regarding the pandering sexual content as featured here and for Miranda's perv camera shots(Not helped by the bad costume design/catsuit and no casual clothes): I do feel quite tired and disgusted by it when that happens in media, perv pandering for teens with no depth. It's an immidiate red flag that staff members weren't told to keep it in their pants and fantasies at home and that there wasn't anyone or care to stop them from putting shallow sexual content like that in the product before release. Stuff like that can bring down a product and undermine what the work is trying to be. For example, when a serious game that delves into serious themes and topics that need to be handled carefully pulls this, it has the potential to undermine and upend any messages or themes the story and or game were trying to make. And even make the audience not take the author/creators seriously. The superficial trappings of maturity, also see edgy grim dark moments or entries in series' that clash in tone in cartoons/childrens media being held up as for "adults and totally not for kids mom! Take me seriously!!!" crowd. While I can appreciate sexy times, like a couple being raunchy and playful, those times need and have a proper place, ie, low stakes quiet times where characters are interacting and hanging out, comedies or character driven stories and romances, those need set up: 2 characters who have had a long and building relationship get together to celebrate by having fun times with eachother.