In the part where I compare the onion skin settings I meant Dreams does not have the extended options Toonsquid offers. Toonsquid allows you to control opacity of individual onion skins frames, out of pegs, and the ability to change onion skin to any color. Dreams has onion skinning but it is locked to a range of colors, and the opacity slider controls multiple frames. Also forgot to mention Dreams has no camera while Toonsquid does. Neither have bone tools but Toonsquid is getting some while Dreams has said it is not a priority(if I remember correctly). Please remember Dreams has a full team while Toonsquid is solo developed.

@Tonabillity

7 ай бұрын

Good, I am not a fan of puppets. Traditional animation all the way! I think that’s what dreams was made for.

@distantmaniacallaughter8690

2 ай бұрын

ITS SOLO DEVELOPED?

@Mazapan404

29 күн бұрын

@@Tonabillityyeah, but your preferences dont translate into people not needing puppets

@Tonabillity

29 күн бұрын

@@Mazapan404 Can’t argue with that. I totally agree. I admit, it’s a “personal” preference. It’s like the entire world is consuming Big Macs, and I’m ordering oatmeal. Very soon, EVERYONE on earth will be using AI art, and I will STILL be crafting out a unique, highly personal drawing style. Again, that’s why I love Procreate Dreams. Because it caters to my extremely personal drawing aesthetics. Those who prefer puppets have a zillion other apps to choose from. Many of them are absolutely FREE! Choose appropriately 👍🏽

Very thorough, thought-out comparison, Savonne - thank you! :) I appreciate the time you took in this. 8:03 - I would mention that ToonSquid has been out longer, but we would do well to remember that unlike Procreate Dream's team dedicated to working on the app full-time, ToonSquid is just one guy who probably has a full-time job to pay the bills. :) Just something to consider. New subscriber - thanks again! :)

@Savonnedraws

7 ай бұрын

Thank you, unfortunately my audio where I mentioned it’s solo developed got cut out :/ I think toonsquid is very impressive. I’m going to try to separate scenes more so I can get better performance.

@TedMattos

7 ай бұрын

@@Savonnedraws I agree that if ToonSquid could do a "Performance" feature it would hands-down for me! :)

@TailySplash

5 ай бұрын

I love Toonsquid so much.❤❤

Excellent comparison. I have both apps. I found ToonSquid by accident almost immediately after its release. I was so excited while watching tutorials for it, and bought it right away. With its capabilities and price it was a no brainer. It is feature packed. For my use it’s a complete toss up between the two at this point. I do all of my drawing in Procreate anyway, and mostly had to bring it in to other apps to complete my animations. Performance mode, alone, changed my whole world for what I do. Before I would move things around and screen record everything and then edit it in other video editing software (LumaFusion)…very time consuming to say the least. For video with transparency, I edited and exported from LumaFusion. So the fact that Dreams handles compositing/post processing is a huge benefit. I’ll continue to use both apps and keep an eye on the progress of each.

@Savonnedraws

7 ай бұрын

Thank you. They’re both very exciting, I’m glad we can do so much on the iPad. The compositing and performance mode are very fun. Sidenote: this video took me 4 extra hours cause of lumafusion lol

Great review. Thank you

I suspect that the basic tools like brush stabilization and selection tools will be in the app by the end of this year. That makes me wonder if we’ll see bigger features like a camera feature or the ability to make multiple scenes by next year. If so, I look forward to that.

@distantmaniacallaughter8690

2 ай бұрын

Haha I remember when I was hopeful like that

@CamMations

2 ай бұрын

@@distantmaniacallaughter8690 5 months later, we still don't have the selection tool. Big sad😔

for rigging, toonquid has hierarchies. In procreate dreams, one has to be clver with grouping to achieve the same but it is not intuitive...

@Savonnedraws

7 ай бұрын

True, I believe on the forums for dreams they said it’s not their focus unfortunately. Hopefully in the future

I completely agree with your video comparison. I really love ToonSquid and had high hopes for ProDreams. I hope ProDreams will eventually add more features and really move this program in the right direction.

@Savonnedraws

7 ай бұрын

True, a bit disappointing, but I still think it can be one of my favorite apps eventually.

@TailySplash

5 ай бұрын

I have high hopes for Toonsquid. I know pcd is made by a team, I still stick with Toonsquid. Because it's the only alternative to Adobe Animate.

Toonsquid is better! Half the price, 5x as nice!!! Having procreate dreams literally bought a couple weeks before toonsquid, watched hours of tutorials for dreams, and it felt like a over complicated FlipaClip (which is free), I hopped into TS not really needing a tutorial I was able to make a 15s animation in about 10 minutes (which is good) also saving common animations like walk cycles will save tons of time reusing animations. Dreams drawing is nothing like procreate and I honestly prefer procreate animation over dreams just add sound, key frames, symbols, and camera to regular procreate I would pay another $10 for the animation add on. TS being one year old is probably where dreams will probably be in a year, but dreams should of released at TS quality with a huge budget from procreate sales it’s like number 1 on App Store, so having millions of dollars should help

@Savonnedraws

5 ай бұрын

Agreed, I was enjoying Dreams more when I first made this video because of the performance and possibility but the app is very underbaked

Good Presentation Bro. Subscribed

great vid, thought about trying toonsquid but i think ill stick it out in dreams (so used to the playstation game called dreams lol) turn of enable painting with finger in the options / preferences for palm rejection :)

@Savonnedraws

7 ай бұрын

Thanks, miss that game lol. Yikes, I forgot about the palm rejection. Good luck to us both in dreams 🫡

Another amazing thing to keep in mind is that Toonsquid is made by 1 person *ONLY*, while Procreate is an entire team, which is really interesting. However i find it cumbersome to draw in Toonsquid, and Procreate Dreams doesn't win in that department either, which is a VERY HUGE shocker. Toonsquid's Symbol feature is very great and i end up using that feature through importing animation frames made in CSP EX on the iPad. Then, duplicate the symbol to create multiple characters for a specific shot I just got RoughAnimator last night and ive been blown away by the app. I would recommend to check out the settings and scale down the interface, so you have more screen space to animate.

I would like to see another comparison video in a couple months to a year to see how much dreams adds and improves

@Tonabillity

7 ай бұрын

Exactly. ToonSquid didn’t have half of this stuff upon release. Yes, soon Dreams will have exactly what everyone else has and more. But at the moment it has breakthrough features and ease of use that NO ONE ELSE has. Going back to ToonSquid now feels like going back to the Stone Age! 🙄😩😝

@Savonnedraws

7 ай бұрын

I’ll try to make one as long as they add enough features

@sohappyilltry

7 ай бұрын

@@Tonabillityprocreate dreams is an apple partner and given the price it should be as good as procreate, they said procreate will overload thats why they made a separate animation app, yet they gave a basic app, with different features, the only thing i like about it is the drag and drop feature, for now ill stick with toonsquid, ill wait until dreams gets better than toonsquid, but i bet toonsquid is pressured to improve more , so let’s see

@Tonabillity

7 ай бұрын

@@sohappyilltry I’m not suggesting that YOU should switch to Dreams. In fact, I heard that ToonSquid works fine for most people, but for me, it lags like crazy, especially when I turn on onionskin - it becomes almost unusable! Even worse, it won’t allow me to convert my projects into movie clips, so I can’t export them into dreams. It just crashes! Also, I just discovered that Dreams allows me to drag my finger across the stage to smoothly animate my scene. I know ToonSquid offers that as well, but I always found it CUMBERSOME. Dreams makes it feel EFFORTLESS!! The bottom line is toonSquid feels like hard tedious labor, and dreams feels more intuitive and JUST PLAIN FUN, (like procreate)!! So, even though dreams is still in beta, I’m having the time of my life! For the very first time, animating within an app is taking me back to my childhood! Feels like I’m animating with paper on a drawing board!!✍🏽

Considering ToonSquid is made by one guy by himself with pretty much nothing and Procreate is a huge team with a huge budget and it didn’t even come out with a LASSO TOOL??????? it seems extremely unfair but ToonSquid still takes the win. Plus, Procreate dreams is pixel based compared to ToonSquid being vector based, soooo

@Savonnedraws

4 ай бұрын

Toonsquid is without a doubt better and was developed with more thought for users. Looking forward to see how both evolve

Great review, though you're not entirely right about a lot of Dreams Features. You can actually edit the transparency and colors of the Onion Skin tool by simply tapping the time in the drawing mode and going to "Edit Onion Skin". Also, not sure you know but you can enlarge the drawing mode by swiping down the timeline and drawing with an infinite space essentially above. Thanks for showcasing the differences though! ^_^

@Savonnedraws

7 ай бұрын

Thank you, I’m aware of these features. I think I explained it wrong haha. I’ll try to clear up the issues in a pinned comment

@OtakuBoxes

7 ай бұрын

@@Savonnedraws Haha no worries. Just wanted to let you know in case you didn’t. Your art is awesome and you have a great channel. Keep it up!

Rough Animator kicks all of their asses. No gimmicks, just good animation.

@Savonnedraws

7 ай бұрын

I’ll try it out and maybe make a tier list vid

@christianr.5868

7 ай бұрын

That's how I'd describe toonsquid tbh. Except it's less cluttered than rough animator

@phillippia

7 ай бұрын

Rough animator has no bells or whistles, but it is super dependable and easiest to learn.

@Tonabillity

7 ай бұрын

RoughAnimator has the worst interface I’ve ever used in my entire life 🙄 Procreate Dreams interface, is a dream come true!!💫

@sirrabo8804

7 ай бұрын

@@Tonabillity is it laggy?

Very insightful vid 🫡

The onion skin settings are in dreams. Just press the time code

@Savonnedraws

7 ай бұрын

I know. I was mentioning the expanded onion skin capabilities in Toonsquid

@user-xs5en8wo2m

7 ай бұрын

@@Savonnedrawsno you specifically said “none of these options are available in dreams” when they clearly are. You should at least pin a comment stating your mistake

@Savonnedraws

7 ай бұрын

@@user-xs5en8wo2m yes I could’ve stated that better. I meant the expanded features. I’ll update

Sir can we use it as video editor can we add gif to our project in either of these app?

@Savonnedraws

7 ай бұрын

It’s an okay video editor for adding visual effects and text animation but otherwise I wouldn’t use it as you can’t edit the speed on clips or do voiceovers. Toonsquid fully allows GIF import and export. Sometimes it’s buggy but it’s fully functional.

@Doctor_SKM

6 ай бұрын

@@Savonnedraws appreciate it , I will look into that app,does that app support multiwindow with drag and drop support?

@Savonnedraws

6 ай бұрын

@@Doctor_SKM yes Procreate dreams does

@Doctor-SKM

6 ай бұрын

@@Savonnedraws thank you very much 😊

@elenafebyamellia4998

17 күн бұрын

In toonsquid can we import our jpeg drawing (from procreate) file?

The onion skin in procreate dreams is hidden! You can bring it up by clicking on the time on the lower left hand side of the stage!

@Savonnedraws

7 ай бұрын

Yes I know, I was referring to toonsquid having better onion skin options

Nice video. Dig the comparison. I’m not an animator however I’m learning. Dreams just seems like a gimmick. I thought callipeg was nice too but I didn’t want another subscription

@Savonnedraws

7 ай бұрын

Thanks! I see potential in Dreams, but the launch is odd lol. Callipeg was cool but the icons confused me when I used to use it. Not a fan of subscriptions either. Good luck on your anims.

@christianr.5868

7 ай бұрын

Toonsquid man, one time 10 dollar payment

@Brumselsprout

6 ай бұрын

I have been working with Callipeg since 2023 and I have some thoughts!! -The brushes are somewhat limited, but I believe you can edit them if you really want to -Figuring things out is confusing af when you first get in it. It took me a while to figure out how to even MERGE layers! -Sometimes when you change the speed of one frame, it makes a hole in the frames that you have to spend ages reordering everything just so that hole isn't there. -You can export into several apps and many more things, even a GIF! BUT!! You can't export into a simple video. This pisses me off.

@lukydiamint

4 ай бұрын

@@Brumselsprout You can export in MP4 in Callipeg, with sound

"procreate dreams is crap in most categories but I prefer procreate dreams". Lol.

Your onion skin option is a lie you can do all the onion skin options you mentioned in procreate dreams as well

@Savonnedraws

5 ай бұрын

I misspoke didn’t mean you can’t do onion skin I meant it didn’t have as many options as toonsquid. That’s addressed in the pinned comment

Crash 20 Times?

@Savonnedraws

5 ай бұрын

Yes, but you usually retain almost everything you’ve done automatically

procreate just seems like an elaborate toy, anything is better than dreams right now.

@Tonabillity

7 ай бұрын

Which is precisely why I like it! It’s an elaborate toy, that Disney artists use to create elaborate, playful animated films! ✍🏽😃 We are NOT using Toonsquid, or rough animator 🤷🏽‍♂️

@__ocean_arts__

7 ай бұрын

Nah procreate is better then abispaint and flipaclip

@Tonabillity

7 ай бұрын

@@__ocean_arts__ Yup, no doubt. Not even a contest.

@visionpersistance

6 ай бұрын

Really?

@Tonabillity

6 ай бұрын

I know they’re working on it, but I must admit that it’s frustrating as hizzell, drawing without a select tool on barely functioning layers. On the other hand, I’ve never had so much fun animating, since I first discovered flipbooks at 8 years old!!😃

I got a refund on procreate dreams. Terrible program.

@Tonabillity

6 ай бұрын

🎉 It’s DEFINITELY not for everyone. And not everyone can learn how to use it. But for those that can decode the magic, it becomes the most phenomenal animation program that ever existed! Like most unprecedented creations, it can be dizzying comprehending its mechanics. This happens to be an absolute paradigm shift in approaching traditional Animation. Yes, is still in beta, but even with its flaws, I’m having more fun navigating through the workarounds than I ever stopped possible! The breakthroughs are simply relentless! 💫