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@Andrewza1

4 жыл бұрын

gay thunder

@michelangelangelo7091

4 жыл бұрын

RedEffect SPOILER TO THE VIDEO: Yes

@reserva120

4 жыл бұрын

so that's interesting, The Ariete carries its Ammo blowing turret off just like every russian tank..very interesting..

@itismyname9388

4 жыл бұрын

Make a video on Al-Khalid Tank of pakistan army

@TheCourierGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Yet in warthunder this thing is better armored than abrams

If I were cynical I might say that it was developed to fulfil NATO obligations while knowing that it would probably never be required to fight.

@Chastity_Belt

Жыл бұрын

And indeed, it does not.

@Tuttigiu

Жыл бұрын

Good to fight against mid 80's underdeveloped countries

@theillusiveman2139

Жыл бұрын

Fr , only 30 of the 200 Arietes are ready for combat , all the others need reparations and other things.

@laff__8821

Жыл бұрын

Italy really just shines in armored cars, not in mbts

@warthoggoulags1679

11 ай бұрын

@@theillusiveman2139 even worse than germany or france... Europe realy needs to do something about its military

It does look pretty nice though.

@903strikerunit

4 жыл бұрын

Well of course it looks nice! It's italian after all

@AA-bn7tf

4 жыл бұрын

It’s a shame all that sloped armor is made of tin foil.

@nopenopeson1097

4 жыл бұрын

Too bad it ain't gonna kill nothing with beauty.

@kurtsell8376

4 жыл бұрын

You see one modern tank you've seen em all.

@neutronalchemist3241

4 жыл бұрын

@@AA-bn7tf War Thunder is not exactly a reliable source, especially as thickness and composition of armour goes. This tank entred in service when the the main competitor was the Leopard 2 A4, and it's pretty comparable for protection, armament fire control etc. Counting only the thickness of the lower front glacis, that of the Leo 2 is short of 40mm. Simply the author counts the space between the glacis and the pilot as "armour" for the Leo 2 and "not armour" for the Ariete, but nor him nor War Thunder know what those spaces are filled of because, guess what? Is classified. The "new armor package for the side armor" is the PSO package. Other than that (and more common than that actually) there is the WAR package, that includes front enhanced protection of the turret as well. In 2015, when the order had been suspended, waiting for the general upgrade of all the existing tanks, 6 thanks had been upgraded to PSO standard and 20 to the WAR. forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/ei_arietewar_1.jpg.22bbef9fbf83af53bae19662f9f2f817.jpg forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/ei_arietewar_4.jpg.260203ee4825b79712358be878f7decd.jpg forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/ei_arietewar_2.jpg.d8ae8aafebdfc8f82a87d55483c73f12.jpg forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/Ariete_C1.jpg.c77ba8ee02d6f770b4c8e18710ca7d9e.jpg

looking at the state of Italy's finances I don't think there's it is getting a upgrade anytime soon

@doctordarkness100

4 жыл бұрын

Considering who the last defense ministers have been it's not a stretch to say that the army is going down the shitter.

@TheEnricoMicheli

4 жыл бұрын

Weirdly enough the upgrade progams seems to be finally starting to go somewhere this year

@deletethis7848

4 жыл бұрын

>looks at PPAs, F-35's, shitloads of FREMMs and Trieste sure thing lol

@doctordarkness100

4 жыл бұрын

Welp time to get the wooden logs out and use those to stop enemy tanks.

@TheEnricoMicheli

4 жыл бұрын

"Weirdly enough" was not put there for no reason The upgrade program has been in the budget for a few years (since 2016 I think it was) and a few months ago someone seems to have leaked slides of a presentation outlining the changes cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/230049884080832522/553563331584065556/dfhdf.png 2016-2017-2018-2019 cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508046008450809876/620624999480557578/facebook_1568032787987.jpg

C1 Ariete is good enough to fight Italy’s real enemy: Mafia.

@neilwilson5785

4 жыл бұрын

That's where the upgrade money went.

@highlands

4 жыл бұрын

I thought Italy's real enemy was institutionalised laziness?

@paulallen8109

4 жыл бұрын

G J Resa You can't fight corruption with a tank. When several key members are on the payroll of the Mafia you'll find it difficult to engage anybody knowing they're well ingrained into several layers of society and have a long reach.

@paulallen8109

4 жыл бұрын

@@highlands More like institutionalised hierarchy where "the family" means everything and being a "loyal yes-man" is the epitome of virtue.

@gj1234567899999

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Allen I was joking man 😅

Let's talk about the next elephant in the nato room: romanian mbt t-55 inspired tank XD

@fransandersson4717

4 жыл бұрын

Well there a really small nation

@kaimx5730

4 жыл бұрын

we still use mig 21’s

@VasileIuga

4 жыл бұрын

That will not be very funny when Ceaușescu's boys come after this channel with fervent nationalistic claims of being an ambush tank, "ze best tanc ho defit Avraham M1 in exercize, Muh Dacia Stronk, vi not Roman, Russian channel bad". Just joking, but mostly not.

@VasileIuga

4 жыл бұрын

@@kaimx5730 After all, we are a cultured country, we have the biggest museum in the world. 😉

@matovicmmilan

4 жыл бұрын

@@VasileIuga If I remember correctly, you don't have very good opinion of Putin, right?

centauro II though is kicking ass :D and its italian maybe they are focusing more on wheeled light vehicles that carry a big bunch rather than heavy and more costly armor .

@davidearielrossolato978

4 жыл бұрын

Italy doesn't need tanks, that's why we are not even upgrading this thing.

@CaptainGrief66

4 жыл бұрын

The Ariete isn't this bad anyway. There's the C2 program ongoing too.

@kousand9917

Жыл бұрын

@@davidearielrossolato978 Ariete AMV exists

@davidearielrossolato978

Жыл бұрын

@@kousand9917 yeah, a couple prototypes. And what's upgraded in them? The drivetrain basically, and other stuff taken from the Centauro II. Only 125 tanks will be upgraded. Maybe. Centauro II is just better and makes more sens for Italy. Especially considering that the ariete won't get (never) good armour.

@jdewitt77

Жыл бұрын

@@davidearielrossolato978 Of course Italy needs tanks. You never know when there might be a need for them.

Spaced armor provided by two thick base pepperoni pizzas.

@dospuntosuve5384

4 жыл бұрын

Yichong Wang two THICC spaced lasagnas

@cosmoray9750

4 жыл бұрын

LOL

@beastboss90

4 жыл бұрын

Yichong Wang which for your info is pizza col salame in the real world (meaning italy, the only real world for pizza)

@carlomarini4255

4 жыл бұрын

Your brain is made by nothing.....

@dontmindseeingthis7642

4 жыл бұрын

@@carlomarini4255 spaghetti people can't take a joke

I would like just to point something out: 1- It's true that the tank isn't really up to date, but seeing that Italy has just 1/5 of its borders shared with other countries, and seeing that the land border is covered by really steep mountains that are hardly crossable by large armored formations, does it really matter that much to have a powerful MBT? In such a contest it is far more viable to use nimbre vehicles or shoulder carried ATGMs. 2- Linked to what I was talking above, Italy has developed the B1 Centauro to fulfill the need for a nimble vehicle capable of destroying enemy armor, such a vehicle is far more useful on harsh terrain like the Italian Alps, such vehicles has seen different series, the one currently in service is the B1 Centauro Serie 3 and the B2 Centauro 2 is currently in development, this shows how Italy is much more focused on developing nimble, fast vehicles than Main Battle Tanks 3- Recent wars has showed that the MBT is slowly but steadely falling out of favor, it is possible to see that with the recent Turkish campain in Siria, where their far more capable modernised Leopard 2A4 got destroyed multiple times by militias armed with shoulder launched ATGMs 4- Italy is sort off updating the C1 Ariete, what is known till now is that it will recieved an upgraded engine, whider tracks, new breaks, transmission and turret rotation mechanism. Unfortunately is not known if the WAR addon armor kits will be updated too (for the frontal part of the tank) and if it will still use the addon armor PSO Tipo 2 (for the sides)

@yanuchiuchihaanimegamesand3907

4 жыл бұрын

Bro, this video was about the tank, not the borders. All of his videos are like that, he's analyzing the tank as a military vehicle.

@armija

4 жыл бұрын

You are literally wrong in every point that you made. Italian border with other countries is not a concern in Italian doctrine. They are bordering allied nations and risk of fighting war there does not exist. Italy is member of NATO and as such might at any time be called to defend other NATO members and to participate in some coalition wars, those scenarios are much, much more likelay than war with Switzerland and in those scenarios Italian tanks would have very hard time. Turkish leopard 2a4s are not much more modern than ariete and they come from basically same time period. Beside that Turkish use of tanks was not a fiasco by any means. Yes they lost few tanks in first couple of weeks against ISIS armed with modern ATGMs (as would any nation on the planet) but they successfully used their armored formations and first managed to defeat isis and take El Bab, then they used them successfully again in Afrin and again against YPG in North eastern Syria. Even recently in idlib against pretty well armed so called Syrian Arab army Turkish armor support and SPGs played significant role. No ATGMs used in Syria are shoulder launched. Tanks are not falling out of favour and pretty much every world power is developing/producing/introducing next generation tanks as we speak. Italians also are modernizing their tanks but only in talk because we are still to se a first one.

@armija

4 жыл бұрын

@Angelo Pavesi No I am not.

@armija

4 жыл бұрын

@Angelo Pavesi Again, No I am not...

@armija

4 жыл бұрын

@Angelo Pavesi U said it already and if you care elaborate it, if not there is nothing I can answer you.

Yeah, it's Italian, its sexy!🥊

@HM-wv2ft

3 жыл бұрын

Nice profile pic

I don't know why, but I srsly love the design and look of the c1 ariete.

@pedrozs1

4 жыл бұрын

Signed by Giorgio Armanni.

@ottavio1457

4 жыл бұрын

@@pedrozs1 Giorgio Armani*

@ForzaPannella

3 жыл бұрын

@@pedrozs1 Giorgio Armati*

@giorgiogalliano05

3 жыл бұрын

Federico Toma eccomi

@yonosapungga

Жыл бұрын

Everybody call me JOJO !

When you're Italian and feel bad af because the C2 release has been postponed :')

@SuperGeronimo999

4 жыл бұрын

"release" as if its the market launch of a product, or as if its a beast getting released into the wild, lol

@hoshyro

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperGeronimo999 hopefully both UwU

50mm... I wonder if even some more modern anti-material rifles couldn't penetrate it from close range.

@antimatter4733

4 жыл бұрын

At close range perhaps a 20mm round could do it if it were cresting a hill, otherwise something like the 30mm ap rounds from a bmp 2 at close range may penetrate it

@werrkowalski2985

4 жыл бұрын

25 mm M919 APFSD-T depleted uranium round can penetrate up to around 100 mm of armor so yeah, i think many modern 20 mm and up armor piercing rounds would have a chance of penetrating it, older ones not so much.

@TheTeKuZa

4 жыл бұрын

14.5 API mm would do

@backtolife0101

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheTeKuZa there is a big inclination, so I don't think anything less than 20mm can penetrate it. 14.5 API would do it on a 90° angle sure, not on 45.

@werrkowalski2985

4 жыл бұрын

Doesn't .50 AP have like maximum ~30-40 mm of penetration, and therefore 14.5 should be similiar? Afair .50 APIT has like below 30 mm, im talking about hardened armor plate steel.

What about the most important question does it have a gelato machine?

@bohica3264

4 жыл бұрын

Screw the gelato. Does it have a cappuccino machine?

@alexcarrara8140

4 жыл бұрын

It has a dedicated space for salami and prosciutto in a specialised anti-blast compartment. We initially thought of storing tank shells in there, but then again we'd be dead anyways so why not enjoying a nice pepperoni pizza before blowing up.

@thereyougoagain1280

4 жыл бұрын

No, so unfortunately it really is totally useless.

@r3dunt3r

4 жыл бұрын

no we have a DIO CANE NON FAI RIDERE machine

@carlomarini4255

4 жыл бұрын

@@thereyougoagain1280 , useless like your brain......

It s stated that the frontal armour of the ariete equals the frontal armour of a T-72B from 1985: 550 mm.

The armor of the Ariete is classified, but it has been stated that actually it has composite armor in the lower plate of the hull.. mate you basically made a video on a tank using only info found on war thunder, I mean seriously?🤦🏻‍♂️

@thecommentaryking

4 жыл бұрын

People just don't want to research before commenting

@raptor2-40delta2

4 жыл бұрын

TheCommentaryKing yeah.. I mean I know that the Ariete is not the best mbt in Europe, and for this reason we are funding the upgrade for the tank and in 2026 we will start a new tank project.. but if you do a video about the ariete, you either state what you know for a fact or don’t say anything at all, because as I think all European MBT the Ariete has mostly a classified armor, we just know that it’s a composite armor

@zegzbrutal

4 жыл бұрын

Yes.... In Armored Warfare, C1 is better than M1A1/Leo2A1.... So please don't trust figures from games

@spacefx1340

4 жыл бұрын

@@thecommentaryking How the fuck am i going to research a classified tank , any help?.

@podfuk

4 жыл бұрын

@@spacefx1340 You sneak to the army base, you steal Ariete tank, and than make youtube video abou damn thing.

it's a decent mid 80' tank.. so in 2019 it sucks yhea... a upgade program will start in 2020-21 ca. the governement provided the founds this year for the development of the upgade

@stateservant

4 жыл бұрын

Hey.... even in the 80's Ariete sucks. In 2019 it's just hopeless. In the 80's there was the Leopard 2, Abrams, and T80, but the Italians came up with this?

@kommandantkillcode

4 жыл бұрын

Ikhsan fahri pratama It was average among the MBTs that each nation had. But it is very outdated now. Hence why it is in War Thunder the way that it is right now including the PSO package version of the Ariete where it is able to perform in the right hands.

@stateservant

4 жыл бұрын

​@@kommandantkillcode You say "functions in the right hands"... experienced and well trained crews will just perform well, no matter on what tank. That still doesn't solve the problem that Ariete sucks. It's like saying "the protection of a Humvee is better than the T72 because the Humvee has a Trophy APS"... that is not true because that means the Trophy APS is what is good... It will fucntion as good on a T72 and it doesn't solve the problem that Humvee's protection is weak compared to T72

@onesixlima

4 жыл бұрын

@@stateservant fair

@gian.4388

4 жыл бұрын

@@stateservant Obviously, it wasn't developed to be used as a frontline tank, Italy only operates in peacekeeping missions or supporting other NATO's member missions, so it's still decent at that Besides this guy just based off his assumptions on armor values of War Thunder, while the true armor values are still classified (we know it has composite in the hull, even tho the dude says it doesn't)

The tank as been recently upgrated, new engine and trasmission, new optics for the gunner and Commander and modified anti-mine bottom. Now can be mounted more heavy addictional armor. Still not the best tank, italian army relies more on centauro and centauro 2

@pedroperez6676

2 жыл бұрын

Has it? Do you have any source? Even the Italian Wikipedia says that the first upgrades (new engine and new optics as you say) won't begin until 2023.

@reneferretti886

2 жыл бұрын

@@pedroperez6676 should have been upgraded sooner😂..., there was a prototipe, now we are waiting other 2 and then start the mass upgrade. Hoping they will do It, because the situation is quite horrible. On paper we have 200 Units, in reality maybe 80 are functional, the others has been used for changing the broken parts or are still.

@pedroperez6676

2 жыл бұрын

@@reneferretti886 Are you Italian? That's so cool! I'm from Spain and we have a similar problem. Spain has about 200 Leopard 2E on paper, but in practice less than 100 are operational. And we have no plans to upgrade them until 2050 or so😂 Just like Italy, we will rather spend our money in whores and cocaine!

@reneferretti886

2 жыл бұрын

@@pedroperez6676 ahahahahhaha yes, we (i say "we" 😂) used tanks just in the operation "Antica Babilonia", too many problems to move them oversea and quite useless for the tipe of operations, they left them unesed. I had the lucky 2 Years ago to participate to a lesson hosted by a former tank crew, they spoked about the evolution of those machines, how reduce weight and the number of crews is not a good idea as use just cameras to see outside. Then they spoke about Ariete... not good things😂. Good firepower and aim sistems, bad armor and horrible mobility, same tracks of the Leopard 1a5 and the acceleration of an old Vespa😂

@rudespo8701

2 жыл бұрын

not true ,the only upgrade that ariete received of the ones proposed it's for the SICCONA digital trasmission and that's it ,no new enginesor transmision ,nothing.

Astonishing how the comments lit up with all sorts of crap talking and gun tube size comparisons when the video was about Leo or Abrams or T80, etc.... The Ariete gets a turn we get spaghetti and gelato jokes. Nobody takes this thing seriously. Just saying......

@Ale-to3fv

4 жыл бұрын

People Is stupid :) don't be bothered just smile ;)

@bohica3264

4 жыл бұрын

BIG SMILE 😜 Actually, the Ariete is kind of cute.

@Redavv

4 жыл бұрын

no tank is safe its how you deploy your tanks thats what people dont get it the think they play warthunder

@occhiodisauron25

4 жыл бұрын

and what do we ask ourselves also in Italy? and it doesn't matter for a video on a tank! the problem is that of ALL the videos that concern Italy! we would like to know why?

@jameson1239

4 жыл бұрын

occhio di sauron because your one of the few country’s where when we talk shit about your country we don’t accidentally provoke a gang war between different people seriously go try and make school shooting or oil jokes in a video about the M1 abrams or British empire jokes on a video about the challenger2 or Stalin/Putin/communist jokes in a video about the T-14 it won’t end well basically what it amounts to is you guys are to polite to stand up for your selves so people make jokes it’s the same thing with Canada

The C1 Ariete was good enough to reach best place behind Leopard user in the 2016 US Army held Strong European Tank Challenge... AHEAD M1A2 Sep v2... and M-84... The C1 is much comparable to the japanese Type 10 and Type 90 the Type 10 is more modern but much lighter even in the most heavy armored version, the Type 90 is larger but lighter and has only half of the operational radius of the C1... The C1 like the japanese Type 10 and 90 or the Merkava are specially designed for their nations geography... so this worst tank of NATO is a fail conclution because there are for sure much worse tanks in service like old T-72 models or the stone age old M47, M48 and M60 still in service in the turkish army... and most likely a Leo2 A7V or CH2 or M1A2 Sep with their enourmus weight of 60 to 65to would run into trouble fighting in Italy were the lighter C1 could perhaps outmaneuver them thanks to great range and the ability to cross bridges that are not able to carry the 10to more heavy tanks... Tanks like Merkava, C1 Ariete, Japanese Type 10 and Type 90 are not comparable with standart NATO tanks that were designed to go head to head with a number superior enemy on wide open north Germany country side were you could easly fight enemys between 3 to 5km range.

@Kikkobrutto

2 жыл бұрын

Complimenti per la preparazione ! Aggiungerei, anche la marina militare è ovviamente progettata per le caratteristiche italiane. Ad esempio: ogni nave militare deve poter accedere al porto di Taranto. L'accesso è molto stretto e le portaerei Cavour e Garibaldi passano a malapena. Stesso discorso per i carri armati, devono poter raggiungere i punti sensibili, e poterli difendere passando su ponti che altri carri più pesanti non potrebbero oltrepassare. 👍

@borkwoof696

2 жыл бұрын

What is so unique about Italian geography compared to NATO partners that it necessitates a weakly armored MBT?

@nagmashot

2 жыл бұрын

@@borkwoof696 lot of mountains with small valley and lot of bridges with weigth limits... same in Japane were they cant use the Type 90 everywere and designed a more modern but ligther tank the Type 10 that now can operate everywere in Japan average high about sealevel Italy 538m to compare Germany 263m Poland 173m Hungary 143m Ukraine 175m Belarus 346m Estland 61m Japan 438m in smaller countrys compared to Russia, USA, China etc... a high average level about sealevel mean in most cases difficult to operate armored vhicles specialy 60to + class

@SaintJerry

2 жыл бұрын

The main deciding factor behind those military exercises is the crews. All i know is that the US crew consisted of relatively new people with the only experienced crew member being the commander.

@nagmashot

2 жыл бұрын

@@SaintJerry not true... all nations including the USA (who btw hosted the competition so their crews exactly know what they had to do) send prepared teams to such competitions...happened in the passed during Canadian Army Trophy (CAT) and today during strong European Tank Challenge

There is a war package for front turret armor. I’m surprised you missed that.

@bigmatthews666

2 жыл бұрын

He showed a picture of it

@balls9052

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigmatthews666 He didn’t analyze the tank with said armor package.

@CriscCiaddu

Жыл бұрын

We have no data on Ariete internal composite armor and we also have no data on WAR armor values. We only know that the Ariete has composite armor both in the turret and in the hull from the official site of the IOC (Consorzio Oto-Melara). But Leonardo or in the past Finmeccanica or the General Staff did not leave any information. 🟥Just think that it has recently been discovered that the PSO type 1 and type 2 armor used in Iraq 20 years ago were only prototypes and that the new PSO armor was mounted on the Ariete AMV PT2 (Prototype 2).

The last time I was this early Trst was still Slovenian.

@petsaa

4 жыл бұрын

Nice

@sladjan0705

4 жыл бұрын

Nice

@m1a1abrams3

4 жыл бұрын

Last time i was this early, this tank was 10.0

@kloschuessel773

4 жыл бұрын

Matevž Pokrivač last time i was this early, slavs hadnt migrated to europe yet

@salvino6699

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah , and the first man on the moon was from Slovenia too!

Spaghetti armour intensifies

@homiespaghetti1522

4 жыл бұрын

Lasagna composition

@imatoaster7831

4 жыл бұрын

Bruh Moment litteraly lol

@VladislavDrac

4 жыл бұрын

*Air Armor intensifies*

@SK-ik9mc

4 жыл бұрын

ERA, more like parmisan cheese

@r3dunt3r

4 жыл бұрын

Dio cane, you are funny guy

for such a short video 2 ads seems a bit much maybe make the videos longer to water down the ads. (yes, I know this a silly thing to complain about but I assume he wants any feed back from his community)

@yeeterdeleter6306

4 жыл бұрын

42 he means the sponsor I think

@RedVRCC

3 жыл бұрын

Or use adblock

Italy dont invest to much on MBT because is not necessary due to the conformation of the territory . Ariete is old and Italy have only 200. An update is planned ( MK2 ) : *new crawler tracks, wider and new final reduction units; *more powerful engines, 1500 hp against the current 1300 hp; *new transmission systems; *the entire brake system completely re-engineered; *new ballistic shooting calculator; *new pointing and observation optics that will replace the technologically outdated systems and will also seek logistical communality with the combat platforms in service (CENTAURO II armoured vehicle). Probably Italy will collaborate for the next Euro MBT together with France and Germany ( but is only a rumor for now )

A lot of the problems mentioned will be fixed with the Ariete AMV but nothing was said about the ammo rack sadly.

Of course it is a bad tank.A bob semple(a bob semple he shell can penetrate 10000000000000000000000000000000km of armour)can destroy the ariete without even hitting it.

@mateuszplewinski800

4 жыл бұрын

Very true

@Tankliker

4 жыл бұрын

You mean an infinity amount of armor without even looking at it

@bohica3264

4 жыл бұрын

No, the corrugated armour provides multiple sloped armoured surfaces, which makes the tank virtually impentrable.

@shingosshojiopoulos6608

4 жыл бұрын

@@bohica3264 what?sloped armour is nothing for a bob semple he shell

@bohica3264

4 жыл бұрын

@@shingosshojiopoulos6608 only if the Bob Sample shoots at itself.

great video as usual, keep em up.

Always think about what the C1 was about. It was design to counter Russias T-72/80s. Sure it still can't take on modern tanks, but it wasn't designed to do so.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa

11 ай бұрын

Old t72a not t72b3

The design seems very compact and sleek, with right shields, it would make a great tank. I think a lot better and effective than other monsters. Upgrade armour, electronics and gun and it's an ideal futuristic tank.

@rudespo8701

2 жыл бұрын

Yes the design it's fine ,but the upgrade for this tank ,which i remember all of you that are reading this comments, was already obsolete by the time it enterin in active service, well the upgrade for this tank it's about 5 millions euro ,to provvide a decent engine ,1600 cv ,new trasmission and electronics ,new active protection etc. with that money bloody hell they can purchase M1A2 or Leopard 1 A6 or 7 ,but as usual the mafia behind the italian defence industry will win ,and at the end we are going to purchaSE A VERY expensive upgrade ,5 millions of euro, for an already obsolete tank. At the end we can say ,the Ariete it's not a bud tank but forthis price the italian army can purchase samething better .

@TheOnlyKingBee

Жыл бұрын

@@rudespo8701 its a lamborguini with extra steps then?

So basically the ONE problem with this tank is The lack of armour, i think people immagine tanks as being indestructable but the truth is that armour is overrated

the ariete does actually have composite in the hull just no one knows what it is. that said the ariete isn't really italys main focus. much like japan, the terrain isn't friendly to heavy MBTs so the centauro and friends are more practical. this doesn't excuse the poor performance but it does explain it edit: also the commander and gunner both received 2nd generation thermals in an upgrade program.

@dwwolf4636

6 ай бұрын

Realistically ...what is there but NERA stacks ?

1:37 Stronk soviet anthem starts playing For the legendary stronk tank of the union

meanwhile in war thunder its one of the best tank

@jPlanerv2

4 жыл бұрын

Only because of the Shell

@blbobobo

4 жыл бұрын

biscuit Only cause of the CL1343. The rest of the tank is pretty weak and can be penned from nearly anywhere.

@jPlanerv2

4 жыл бұрын

@@blbobobo yep and pso upgrade is quite slow

@TheoElKiwito

4 жыл бұрын

because he fight against 80's tank. In real life he fight against more modern tank

@jPlanerv2

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheoElKiwito i would consider leo2a5 as a modern tank same with lecrerc.

Everyone tank engineer after playing war thunder isn't it ?

@V-V1875-h

3 жыл бұрын

In this world yes

Hey man, I’m loving you’re videos and wondering. Can you make a video of the TR85M1 Romanian tank ?

how's that euro mbt thing going on though? it is said to be universal tank concept thingy

The Italian Peninsula is shielded by the Alps in the North, and every attacker would have to repeat what the allies achieved in WW2 with the help of the Mafia back then (a less known fact, the Cosa Nostra and Camorra were helping and ensuring a safe landing)! So Italy may thought that they don't need tanks like the easy to attack (from a topographical standpoint) French or German territories! If they had to decide where to invest their budget, I would invest it in the Navy and Airforce, rather than Tanks, especially when there is not as much money to spend! But you are right about the weaknesses!

@shanerooney7288

2 жыл бұрын

Italy has 200 Ariete MBTs Italy has 300 Centauro MGSs Clearly Italy prioritizes light weight gun systems over heavily armored tanks.

@cheguevara3392

2 жыл бұрын

@@shanerooney7288 Yes and do you know why? (I already wrote it, I think) The Italian Military Procurement of the time around 1980-2000 didn't see a need for heavy armored and with a massive cannon as a big need, and the reason is that only few ways lead to Italy on land, and they are easily destroyed or blocked in a case of an invasion! On top they only have a few kilometers to check because the Swiss was not involved in any of the world wars or would involve themselves in a new one! So what's the biggest need and the most important for Italy, the sea and air, and this is what they looked after and rightfully so! Did it change with NATO Operations around the world? Yes! But even there the Italians didn't involve themselves in all of the wars! Italy needs a capable Navy and Airforce, the Army is also a need, but the borders is giving the highest priority!

@shanerooney7288

2 жыл бұрын

@@cheguevara3392 Yes. I was agreeing with you.

Very awesome video!! Can you make a video about the Romanian MBT TR85-M1 Bizon? I would like to know more about this tank, Romania being my home country.

The problem for the Ariete is the little support it has received, Italy is in an economic stagnation, no money = no better tanks

4:05 did you just say 700 mm of Kinetic Protection?...now I'm scared with update 2.0!

When my father was in iraq, in the italian attack after Nassiriya, he saw militians shooting at the Arietes hundreds of anti-tank missiles and none of them penetrated the armor even if striked from behind. He also told me that he saw simply rpg-7 penetrating and disabling Abrams. He is italian but he doesn't say bs, so...

@sfigatto_0167

3 жыл бұрын

There were Ariete tanks in Nassiriya? If I’m not wrong only B1 Centauto and other support vehicles were in the battle

@inoumeni4539

3 жыл бұрын

@@sfigatto_0167 surely it was the "132 brigata ariete" but sincerly i don't know if the vehicle used were ariete tank or centauro. If it's the way you said it's even better because centauro is less armored than ariete.

@ThePoshPrince

Жыл бұрын

RPG 7 penetrating Abrams.. Cool story bro

@gamingwolf6735

8 ай бұрын

This story is so fake i dont wanna hear "He is Italian but he doesn't say BS" bullshit

The bad armor on Ariete's hull is due to Italy's strategic position. Italy expected to be fighting in the alps in hull down positions with Ariete. The hull armor was sacrificed to save weight and increase the tank's power to weight ratio. After initial teething issues with the powerplant this was achieved. One redeming feature of Ariete is it's excellent gun depression which again was designed for Alpine combat. Even with all the negatives Ariete is still probably superior the upgraded T-55s used by Romania in the type of combat the Italians would be seeing. Plus the tank can easily benefit from NATO allies tank development should war break out. The L44 gun is capable of accepting any NATO 120mm ammunition except that of the British so in a hot war I wouldn't be surprised to see American, German, or French ammo being used if the Italian rounds don't quite cut it. The armor could probably be upgraded both quickly and cheaply with German AMAP armor before a European war actually saw Italian involvement at the front lines. Or they could just use German surplus Leo 2 stock as they have plenty of ex Bundeswehr, and ex Dutch ones in storage unless they've sold them all off to Denmark, Poland, the Czech Republic, the Romanians and the Greeks. Not to mention the US has plenty of ex Army and USMC M1A1s around if they need better tanks quick fast and in a hurry.

Armour specifications of the ariete are classified, there is no way for us to know how much protection the frontal hull is capable of, war thunder has made up numbers which do not represent its real capabilities. Regarding the other issues the ariete is currently being updated to its C2 version using technology from the centauro 2 tank hunter. Regarding the armour it is believed to use similar hull armour to the leopard 2A1. Also the ariete AMV pt1 in war thunder isn’t actually supposed to be there as it is the first part of 3 of the ariete C2, it would be like putting a half finished prototype in game but they did so anyway, war thunder doesn’t know many things about the ariete and many other tanks, it’s not a reliable source for specific information.

Hey Red Effect, i have an update for you regarding the Ariete, a new variant, Ariete C2 is scheduled to roll out in the close future. It's an upgraded variant with 3rd generation stabilized thermals for both commander and gunner, cameras for the driver and, get this, upgraded protection. What kind of upgraded protect you ask? Appliqué armor packages made in 2002, none of them are for the lower frontal plate btw, so that one is still completely exposed and can still be penned by 30mm autocannons. This is truly an italian moment.

I play war thunder, and I can say... It is awesome.

Any video reviewing an actual,machine that starts with an ad for a game featuring said machine has to be invalid.

@theoakatsuki

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. From where is he getting his references. And judging the requirements of every army by the same stick is bullshit

@petrsukenik9266

4 жыл бұрын

he got pay to mention war thunder, so he did i see no problem

It has actually layered lasagna armor, and nobody hates lasagna

@pashapasovski5860

4 жыл бұрын

I do, however if they used pizza, I would love that!

@joedollarbiden9823

4 жыл бұрын

Fuck you now I am feeling hungry

@occhiodisauron25

4 жыл бұрын

a smarter comment?

@sumrandumguy7177

4 жыл бұрын

I hate lasagna

I've heard some good FCS are made in Italy like the one on a few upgraded Syrian T72s. Apparently it is more accurate than the FCS than the few T90s that they have in service and is nicknamed the T72 "Sniper". It seems that these upgrades weren't applied to the Ariete probably for budget reasons.

@TheEnricoMicheli

4 жыл бұрын

Those T72 use the same Galileo FCS that was installed on the T-72M4CZ, the Turms-T. The Ariete uses the base model TURMS. It might get the latest model in a short while, but it did so for more than 20 years, so who knows.

Italy is in a dire financial situation and their defense budget does not allow them to afford a C1 upgrade program. The italian military has mostly been a(n) (aero)naval power rather than a land power.

@lorenzodibari5271

4 жыл бұрын

Italy has One of the biggest defense budget, it's more than what you expect

@dareius831

4 жыл бұрын

We made parts of the F35...

@r3dunt3r

4 жыл бұрын

@@dareius831 hahaha sure the flyning flaming smartphone

@dareius831

4 жыл бұрын

@@r3dunt3r remember... we build cars, motorcycles, motorboats, helicopters, luxury ships, yachts, engines for all vehicles, weapons of any kind, satellites, spy technologies, computer software, clothes, high engineering works. We have the world's largest cities archaeological, monumental, artistic heritage, the best food, the best climate, a huge tourist flow.We are the descendants of Archimedes, Leonardo, Christopher Columbus, of the Romans, we created Western modern civilization, we are the most brilliant people in the world

@salvino6699

4 жыл бұрын

Navy first, always . we have a new carrier "Trieste" . with that money we could have built 200 C2 tanks!

It's a good tank..apart from it's gun and armour protection .most if not all ATGM nowadays got tandem charge warhead and really can slice 1000mm RHA.thanks for the video.

its a good platform it can take upgrade firing and optics and if you ad some armor packets and a APS like trophy you have a pretty decent tank

The Centauro 8x8 tank destroyer / wheeled AFV is awesome tho'. This might be the best wheeled tank in the world.

@CaptainGrief66

4 жыл бұрын

The Ariete is still a capable machine, this guy fucked up.

IMO the Ariete is a good platform to build upon. It needs a major upgrade like the Challenger 1 to Challenger 2. But it would be a new tank at the same time. Italy however does not have the money to really put into this tank. If the Italians do this it would be a very formidable tank.

@wifi_soldier5076

Жыл бұрын

They currently are. They just finished the AMV pt2.

@rolands9969

10 ай бұрын

Now, they have money.

Reminds me of a challenger turret on a Leo 2 Hull.

Nice job bro, can you comments on P1 tank from polish & especially P1M pendekar from Malaysia. Tq sir for your work👍👍

It looks a lot like the Leopard 2000, the German transitional design between Leo 1 and 2. Not surprising since Italy built the OF-40, a near clone of the Leo 1. During the Cold War Italy only had to worry about fighting in the Alps. So a tank that can climb well, has good gun depression and elevation, neutral steer and good reverse speed are good enough. Hull armor is not important to fighting hull down.

@Grantidge69

Жыл бұрын

Plus the lighter weight gives increased mobility so that Italy can fight a defensive battle using exactly the tactics that Kesselring employed so successfully in WW2. Just in reverse: north-to-south rather then south-to-north. Definitely some shoot-and-scoot doctrine going on here, and in fairness, that's a pretty good way of going about things on the modern battlefield.

Outdated information, go watch matimius’s video instead.

@wonkagaming8750

4 жыл бұрын

The one who read 5 minute of wikipidia?, have dont link source in his vids?

@neutronalchemist3241

4 жыл бұрын

@@wonkagaming8750 The sources linked in THIS vid contraddicts what he's saying in the vid.

@wonkagaming8750

4 жыл бұрын

@@neutronalchemist3241 which is?, the C1 ariete LFP having no composite?, and only the UFP have composite?

@neutronalchemist3241

4 жыл бұрын

@@wonkagaming8750 The first source linked states that the frontal hull armor is composite, and has an equivalent resistance of 550-650 mm vs. kinetic penetrators and 700mm vs. heat projectiles. the second one estimates it at 470mm vs. kinetic and 780mm vs. heat. Really, he counts only the frontal plate as being ALL the frontal protection, without counting that the space between the front plate and the pilot is full of armor too. Doing the same for the Leopard 2, you should conclude that it has less than 40mm of frontal armor.

@wonkagaming8750

4 жыл бұрын

@@neutronalchemist3241 frontal plate is from by the lower font plate and upper front plate and the LFP dont have composite and is ony 50MM thich whiles the UFP has compiste but its just space armor and not real composite

One of my favourite looking modern (-ish) MBTs if it comes to looks.

@nikoloff4834

4 жыл бұрын

Beautiful machine indeed but...

@CaptainGrief66

4 жыл бұрын

And a quite capable machine as well, he didn't do a good job at talking about it at all.

Still better than Arjun, I guess...?

@theoakatsuki

4 жыл бұрын

Well if we are talking about the game then i guess Arjun is pretty bad😂😂 I don't want specs Arjun or Ariete being the sacrificial lamb just to promote a stupid game

@hiteshadhikari

4 жыл бұрын

Arjun is highly degraded by western sources and even army because of it's reasons. Much of its assesment is wronf

@radezakula9262

4 жыл бұрын

Some Serenity cmon now lets be nice... I mean you’re not wrong but you didn’t have to say it...

@hiteshadhikari

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mongrelmindset999 lets see when china becomes too big of a threat who becomes a counter for it.

@davidearielrossolato978

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mongrelmindset999 I'm not Indian, but it's a dumb thing to say, they will be a superpower, not really soon tho

The Ariete becomes now an update and a big brother the leopard 2A8.

Also the driver has a passive night vision sight, also It has advanced Fire control system made by Leonardo, laser warning reciever and Trophy Active protection system, i would recommend more data finding before putting out videos like that

Not a bad looking tank,kinda looks like a cross between a Abrams and a leopard

@amn2760

2 жыл бұрын

But super slow, much thinner armor and much weaker gun barrel

@CriscCiaddu

Жыл бұрын

1) Super Slow? Did you mean the Challenger 2.🤔 65km/h are not exceptional but not too few either. 2) Much Thinner armor? Only on War Thunder, because the true data on composite inner armor have never been released. We only know that it is Composite in both the turret and the hull(from the official website of the CIO) but the thickness and material is unknown. 3) Much Weaker gun barrel? It is just an L120/44 built under license by Oto-Melara like the Abrams M1A1/2 and same power of the Leopard 2A4. Keep in mind that the Ariete could also have more powerful ammunition than the Leopard 2A4 even if there are no sources.

Is it really that bad, or are you going by Warthunder numbers again? The LFP is seriously just a 50mm plate? No COmposites behind that? Why is it so big then? The more I watch these comparison videos, the more I see the Abrams actually being even better. It has a similar design to the Ariete in the hull, but the Abrams LFP is nothing but Composites. It might only be 650, but that is far superior to other tanks, like this Ariete. As for the thin UFP, well, show me a tank that has a configuration similar to an Abrams and show me how thick its UFP is.

Your armour values are suspiciously similar to that of WarThunder, which has notoriously sold the ariete short, the armour values of the Ariette are classified, and i find it hard to believe that the Italians wouldn't use composite armour on their fromt plate. You also forgot that the ariete has spall liners and advanced active protection systems. Your scources allso all seem to be based on, or a re straight up russian, a country notorious for selling nato weapons short

Budget Challenger 2

Source: War Thunder Your argument isn't worth anything.

I was wondering about the add-on armour it has at its side. Are they just against HEAT, or also kinetic munitions?

@lelon5003

3 жыл бұрын

Only heat sadly

Do a follow up regarding the C2 upgrade

Italy has a mountainous spine that connects with the Alps in the north. In WW2, this terrain made it difficult for the Allies but easier for the Germans to defend. Infantry would be critical in this environment, and armour would have to be light enough with infantry support as its main role. Perhaps these factors were part of the design considerations for this tank. I could be wrong, but why not?

Not to be the an asshole but I have to say, if you have taken your data from war thunder I must say that is an idiotic idea because even gaijin staff said that modern tanks datas are really hard to get due to some of that datas to be classified, here our dear friend Ariete is a perfect example because even if the project have been realised in the late 80s the tank is still in service in our army whitout being modified heavily. You said in your video that the Ariete hull is poorly protected and you used war thunder datas to prove your point, now knowing that even gaijin admitted to have difficulty to provide info about the first model of the Abrams (entered in service in 1981) how can you think that datas from a game about a tank still used in 2019 whit classified armor datas can be trustable. Then we have another example, we don't know any major modification of the said tank apart from the PSO modification that have a side armour in game named as composite but lack of specification and can only show a "calculated" protection due to the said material being (surprise) classified. So please before saying certain things that some people take for thrut try to search some info possibly not from a game and more importantly from a game that count balance before realism, thank you . Source of gaijin acquiring data about modern tanks sitem : forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/402669-modern-tank-realism-and-balance/&ct=1575562851

What do you think about t72m4cz czech MBT ?

Are you sure that the frontal turret armor wasn’t upgraded since it’s release? I’ve heard that they did but I might be wrong 🤷🏻‍♂️

@neutronalchemist3241

4 жыл бұрын

The "new armor package for the side armor" he's talking of is the PSO package. Other than that (and more common than that actually) there is the WAR package, that includes front enhanced protection of the turret as well. In 2015, when the order had been suspended, waiting for the general upgrade of all the existing tanks, 6 thanks had been upgraded to PSO standard and 20 to the WAR. forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/ei_arietewar_1.jpg.22bbef9fbf83af53bae19662f9f2f817.jpg forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/ei_arietewar_4.jpg.260203ee4825b79712358be878f7decd.jpg forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/ei_arietewar_2.jpg.d8ae8aafebdfc8f82a87d55483c73f12.jpg forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/Ariete_C1.jpg.c77ba8ee02d6f770b4c8e18710ca7d9e.jpg As for the lower front glacis, he's using War Thunder as a source. War Thunder is not exactly a reliable source, especially as thickness and composition of armour goes. This tank entred in service when the the main competitor was the Leopard 2 A4, and it's pretty comparable for protection, armament fire control etc. Counting only the thickness of the lower front glacis, that of the Leo 2 is short of 40mm. Simply the author counts the space between the glacis and the pilot as "armour" for the Leo 2 and "not armour" for the Ariete, but nor him nor War Thunder know what those spaces are filled of.

0:02 if the tank can drift, then i'll visualize GuP in my head

@heinzthorvald4675

4 жыл бұрын

A man of culture

TR-58M1 in a corner crying, knowing it's worse. But please make a video on it.

@RedCardei

4 жыл бұрын

At least it has safe ammo storage in a bustle with blow-out panels. Curious to see what the upgrades will bring, because it is terrible right now.

@FollowedGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Wtf is that wtf is THIS SIN AGAINST NATO STANDARDS

@Brother_Nihilus

4 жыл бұрын

@@RedCardei A new gun, some actual composite add-ons like on the T55am1/2. Thermal and CITV. Remotely operated HMG. Some composite side-skirts and automatic transmission would make it at least ok. If the TR-125 program continued than we would've had very reliable and powerful machines at that time and with a broad range of possible improvements. Like the TR-B2-4 or the TR-2000

@Brother_Nihilus

4 жыл бұрын

@@FollowedGaming wdym

@RedCardei

4 жыл бұрын

@@Brother_Nihilus Wonder what made them change their minds on the project. On paper it looks very promising. The T-55 can be only so modified before you run into problems with the chassis just like they did with the Mig-21.

The thing is that in Italy we do need Tanks. Italy is a Peninsula full of difficult terrains, valleys and mountains. Tanks crossing the Alps? unlikely. In fact we have developed fast and mobile wheeled-machines like the Centauro II, which is incredibly good.

Can you talk about the tr85 m1

It's blatantly obvious that you are using War Thunder, a VIDEO GAME, for most of your information on this tank. The C1 Ariete does have composite armour behind the upper and lower frontal plate. Official sources do mention it. Even one of the sources you have linked clearly mentions it, but it seems you didn't read it. The problem is that the effective thickness and the materials used for the composite armour is completely classified, few journalists have had the opportunity to investigate this tank, and no outside country has ever acquired one for their own tests, thus the video game developers that made War Thunder decided not to include it due to the lack of information. I like your content RedEffect, I really do, and don't get me wrong, I acknowledge that this tank does have a ton of flaws, and some people do unfairly criticise you, but you need to do better research for this one my friend.

Just bolt on some modern ERA armor and it will be fine.

@adrianzanoli

Жыл бұрын

ERA helps a bit, but without a proper armor under it, it's completly useless. a modern ERA decreases the ammunition power by 10-20%, it doesn't stop it unless it's a very very old and weak ammo.

It's a Tank produced in 1990 and never got upgraded till this year. The AMV upgrad project will modernize to a more combat ready level. And it has thermals for both Gunner and Commander.

@CriscCiaddu

Жыл бұрын

The Ariete was already born with the thermal sensor for commander and gunner thanks to the TURMS OG-I4 L3 system. It was one of the most digitized tanks of the era (90s). The improvements of the AMV are: 1) 3rd generation optics for commander and gunner. 2) Combined WAR armor and new PSO armor(and not like the old prototype of the PSO used in Iraq 20 years ago). 3) 1500hp engine 4) New transmission and tracks 5) Turret cal. 50 remote 6) APS system(possibly visible in the 3rd prototype of the AMV, otherwise it will be installed in a separate program). 7) GPS and C4 ISTAR capability. 8) New Smoke Grenades. 9) Driver's cameras. 10) 100% electronic turret rotation system(more safety for the crew). 11) Cannon of the Centaur B2(for now only voices from the Forum).

They should add box and slat armour protection..

Remember no armor = best armor

@fabio6170

4 жыл бұрын

Not in real life dude...

@CriscCiaddu

Жыл бұрын

Bro, only 0 armor in War Thunder but the actual data of the thickness and armor of the Ariete have not been made public.

Roll out the old M47 Patton again !!! Lol

Would the m-84 as2 beat the C1 atiete?

It reminds me a lot of some mix of challenger and Leo 2.

It looks really good idc what y'all say

My god 1st gen night vision that is embarrassing 50mm armour and ammunition stored like that the bloody thing is a death trap

@CaptainGrief66

4 жыл бұрын

Surprise surprise he got info from a fucking game and that is stupid already.

@mc5750

3 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainGrief66 FR

@CaptainGrief66

3 жыл бұрын

@@mc5750 He used War Thunder as an explicative model and the sources he quoted mention more armor.

@mc5750

3 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainGrief66 yeah,he's spreading false info in our tanks

What is that outro music, I need to know

Consider Is a tank of 35 years .Now Will have some upgrades 🇮🇹

That's worse on the lower glacis than the older British chieftan tanks!

@tasman006

4 жыл бұрын

It has composite armor so I don't think so. It can not be penned by a T34/85 just more Russian propaganda.

@TwixSvK

4 жыл бұрын

@@tasman006 Any links maybe?

@mc5750

3 жыл бұрын

@@TwixSvK he literally used WT stats

Leopard that has "safe ammo storage in the turret" also carries large part of it in the hull, so it doesn't really improve safety much

@lelon5003

3 жыл бұрын

Well it does, if only the turret is visible because of the Terrain

@Mopar0rNoCar

10 ай бұрын

The Leopard crew do not carry hull ammo stowage

any one that's worked there way up the challenger line in Armored Warfare knows how much of a pain this tank is. never got to complete the grind because the new global server fucked up my ping 600+ ms.

I think tanks should be evaluated globally. The Ariete is an excellent option when you look at maintenance, operativity, mobility and as "integrated" weapon. Not to mention that at the "Task Challenge" on real terrain the italians tanks classified at the fourth rank, just before the USA tanks... ; )

It's a 1995 tank that's *at best* comparable to the 1983 Leo 2A1, it can't be very good.

@TheEnricoMicheli

4 жыл бұрын

It's a 1986 tank that entered service in 1994 and is still in service unchanged in 2019 :D To be fair it seems the idea was to upgrade it throughout the late '90, the funds required to get the updated design right away were deemed unrealistic. Even then the resulting config was deemed just barely acceptable (if in number of 500 even). Makes the few working ones unchanged in 2019 really seem ridiculous

I guess the assumptions contained in this video are very serious, knowing that they refer to the indications coming from a video game...the same level when you want to learn the history of the Roman Empire watching Asterix & Obelix cartoons: However, this is reality: it says the italian MBT (now now undergoing an update process) is an efficient machine compared to the average of NATO MBT, not the best but not the worst...especially compared to Leclerc. Moreover, we cannot miss what's happened in Sirya with the complete defeat of Leopard 2 or the problems of Saudi Abrams that catch fire like a zippo... often the theory is far from reality.

@petrsukenik9266

4 жыл бұрын

he is not reserching from a game, he is just payed to do comercial

@neutronalchemist3241

4 жыл бұрын

@@petrsukenik9266 So the sources are? Because the two he linked, contraddicts him.

@petrsukenik9266

4 жыл бұрын

@@neutronalchemist3241 what contradiction?

@neutronalchemist3241

4 жыл бұрын

@@petrsukenik9266 The first source linked states that the frontal hull armor is composite, and has an equivalent resistance of 550-650 mm vs. kinetic penetrators and 700mm vs. heat projectiles. the second one estimates it at 470mm vs. kinetic and 780mm vs. heat.

@petrsukenik9266

4 жыл бұрын

@@neutronalchemist3241 well its weird but not that big diference definitly its not "indication comming from a video game"

you must also consider that the Italian army focuses more on light fast vehicles (very similarly to japan as they both have many mountains) this doesn't excuse the arietes shittiness but it makes more sense when you consider they would focus on things such as the up and coming Centauro 2 and it's variants that will probably replace things like the freccia.

@neutronalchemist3241

3 жыл бұрын

War Thunder is not exactly a reliable source, especially as thickness and composition of armour goes. This tank entred in service when the the main competitor was the Leopard 2 A4, and it's pretty comparable for protection, armament fire control etc. Counting only the thickness of the lower front glacis, that of the Leo 2 is short of 40mm. Simply the author counts the space between the glacis and the pilot as "armour" for the Leo 2 and "not armour" for the Ariete, but nor him nor War Thunder know what those spaces are filled of. The "new armor package for the side armor" is the PSO package. Other than that (and more common than that actually) there is the WAR package, that includes front enhanced protection of the turret as well. In 2015, when the order had been suspended, waiting for the general upgrade of all the existing tanks, 6 thanks had been upgraded to PSO standard and 20 to the WAR. forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/ei_arietewar_1.jpg.22bbef9fbf83af53bae19662f9f2f817.jpg forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/ei_arietewar_4.jpg.260203ee4825b79712358be878f7decd.jpg forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/ei_arietewar_2.jpg.d8ae8aafebdfc8f82a87d55483c73f12.jpg forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/Ariete_C1.jpg.c77ba8ee02d6f770b4c8e18710ca7d9e.jpg

@RedEffect Good video again.C1 Arietta is simply a Glascannon and imo the Centauro MGS is better its also a glas canon but has better mobility (but wheels so it depents on ground)

@neutronalchemist3241

3 жыл бұрын

War Thunder is not exactly a reliable source, especially as thickness and composition of armour goes. This tank entred in service when the the main competitor was the Leopard 2 A4, and it's pretty comparable for protection, armament fire control etc. Counting only the thickness of the lower front glacis, that of the Leo 2 is short of 40mm. Simply the author counts the space between the glacis and the pilot as "armour" for the Leo 2 and "not armour" for the Ariete, but nor him nor War Thunder know what those spaces are filled of because, guess what? Is classified. The "new armor package for the side armor" is the PSO package. Other than that (and more common than that actually) there is the WAR package, that includes front enhanced protection of the turret as well. In 2015, when the order had been suspended, waiting for the general upgrade of all the existing tanks, 6 thanks had been upgraded to PSO standard and 20 to the WAR. forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/ei_arietewar_1.jpg.22bbef9fbf83af53bae19662f9f2f817.jpg forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/ei_arietewar_4.jpg.260203ee4825b79712358be878f7decd.jpg forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/ei_arietewar_2.jpg.d8ae8aafebdfc8f82a87d55483c73f12.jpg forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2019_06/Ariete_C1.jpg.c77ba8ee02d6f770b4c8e18710ca7d9e.jpg

@wolfgangvicenzi8664

3 жыл бұрын

@@neutronalchemist3241 i know most is classified eap what materials exactly but the protection from most 90s early 00er tanks are available just the value and ingame its to low just 350+ mm against kinetic in real its about 450mm but thats also fairly less maybe i can find the source again... im WT the latest german shell is DM 33 so thats also not rly on point but somehow they need to balance the game... also the ariete pso siteskirts are pretty pointless in a game whith no infantry and rpgs they could stop them cause it makes the tank slower and everyone uses anyway apdsfs maybe against some ATGMs its helpful but imo the speed is more important. In real its maybe rly great in close combat/urban Environment

*Cryes spaghetti*. But at least our B2 centauro is good right? RIGHT!?

@winstonchurchill237

4 жыл бұрын

Laughs in archaic soviet RPG

@CaptainGrief66

4 жыл бұрын

All of the italian equipment is good and combat proven and even exported to demanding customers like the Japanese or American army. Italy hasn't needed a better MBT so they stuck with it, the Ariete is a capable machine, his info source is untrustworthy.

@CaptainGrief66

4 жыл бұрын

@@winstonchurchill237 Shaped charges are always a threat. The B2 Centauro gets ERA and APS as its combat package in hot zones.

Oh those *Italians*

@giovannifiorrosso6053

4 жыл бұрын

Jes do o u hav problema?

@jeremy9416

4 жыл бұрын

Problemi muso da merda

@TADP0LE9806

4 жыл бұрын

At least they aren't using tankettes anymore xD

@palombarodeltubo2989

4 жыл бұрын

Vergognati

@occhiodisauron25

4 жыл бұрын

poor donkey! long live the queen! god save the queen!

Talk about the Challenger tank PLS !