Wow, I didn't see this coming. I'm proud of Alex.

@Gee-xb7rt

8 ай бұрын

kudos to anyone that can sit a room with a lying pandering genocidal gremlin

@dantheman909

8 ай бұрын

Ben is a force to be reckoned with. Alex is a great guy for talking to the smartest people on the other side. Shows that he is a sincere learner and not just a propagandist like some.

@C-Farsene_5

8 ай бұрын

@@dantheman909 yeah, I fear that Alex will just be cut off and be led away from fully countering Ben, learning be damned

@raygsbrelcik5578

8 ай бұрын

​@@dantheman909 But he specializes in Philosophy, and Philosophy is not a Concrete Science. By that I mean; You can make your Own Rules, and simply call it, "LOGIC." But, there's NEVER any Absolute Manner of PROVIING it, or the results thereof! OR----You can say, "Such and Such" a Professor SAID SO, and he Wrote BOOKS.....LOTS of Books, and therefore, HE has all the ETERNAL ANSWERS! Not buyin' it, man.

@teamcoalhapcharcoal

8 ай бұрын

Just needs to shave and then he's ready to take on the world

So happy for Alex, been with him since almost the beginning and it's great to see him elevating to the stage he deserves.

@thomasolsen6923

8 ай бұрын

So cool to see a Christian go up against an Atheist

@ShutUpWesley

8 ай бұрын

Dejavu

@diversesynergy1098

8 ай бұрын

@@thomasolsen6923 Shapiro is Jewish.

@pabloandres6179

8 ай бұрын

He’s been on here before

@Sui_Generis0

8 ай бұрын

​@pabloandres6179 OP is not talking about being on the channel, they're talking about debating a big name like ben

Finally, a conversation that everyone will tune into. This is going to break the servers LOL.

@raygsbrelcik5578

8 ай бұрын

It's bunch of Bologne! Not any different than any Other debate! Philosophy is NOT an exact Science! It is predicated on the Limited Method of determining what is "Logic," and what is NOT. And THAT is what these, "New Age," atheists base their Worldview.

@paulwells4372

8 ай бұрын

It won’t be a good conversation because neither of them know Jesus Christ. "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).

@samich2220

8 ай бұрын

Yea i'm christian too but the whole "My religion is right!" is a falicy in tact and, honestly, i think jesus would be disapointed.

@paulwells4372

8 ай бұрын

@@samich2220 Maybe you should study your Bible much more to understand exactly what Jesus thinks of false gods and idols. You shall have no other gods. As the one true God of heaven and earth, Yahweh cannot and will not tolerate the worship of any “other gods” (Ex. 22:20; 23:13, 24, 32); in other words, monotheism, the worship of the one true God, is the only acceptable belief and practice.

@HarryNicNicholas

8 ай бұрын

i skipped it, alex is too poncy for me, even though i'm on his side, but ben shapiro makes me want to puke even at his name, what an odious and sick minded little git he is.

This should be one of the best discussions in this channels history

@j8000

8 ай бұрын

"Atheists don't believe in the self" sounds like a profoundly fringe and uninteresting position to examine.

@macmac1022

8 ай бұрын

It probably will be, but never know until we see it. I REALLY want to see this, I think alex is going to mop the floor with him as alex usually does.

@TyrellWellickEcorp

8 ай бұрын

@@macmac1022Nah Alex is a wannabe Chris Hitchens who doesn’t know what he’s talking about

@MonkeyDIvan

8 ай бұрын

@@TyrellWellickEcorp Sure thing Wellick

@TyrellWellickEcorp

8 ай бұрын

@@MonkeyDIvan Denying the existence of free will is self-refuting. Something Harris and his followers often overlook.

I can’t even begin to explain how excited I am for this

Props to Ben, Alex is one of the most good faith choices he could have made in finding an atheist to debate. It would have been so easy for him to find somebody with a decent following making 2004 New Atheist style arguments without any real thought behind it, but Alex has gone far deeper into the philosophical literature and theology than most in the atheist community. Very much looking forward to this.

@VicioRay

8 ай бұрын

Ben has still dodged a lot of people in terms of debate. For some reason he likes to debate undergraduate college kids a lot. And he will still lose to those kids. He’s been running from Mohammad Hijab for like 3 years

@tomi-Q

8 ай бұрын

@@VicioRay Mohammad Hijab is basically a undergraduate college kid in terms of his arguments, just more dishonest and manipulative. It's not so much running than it's just a reasonable decision to avoid someone who has shown to be unable to have a good faith debate.

@itsmyytaccount8498

8 ай бұрын

@@tomi-Qimagine thinking anybody is “running” from Mohammad hijab 😂 the guys a joke. Total waste of time

@JamesWilliamsVII

8 ай бұрын

@@VicioRay Mohammed Hijab is the very definition of a bad faith debater. I agree that Ben often picks soft targets to debate, but that's not what he's doing with him. I'm pretty sure I could beat MJ in a debate and I'm only kinda smart.

@yukiwinters2885

8 ай бұрын

You don't need any philosophical study to deny religion, a little bit of self esteem is enough

The best thing about this trailer is that both, Alex and Ben, despite their very different views, seem to have really enjoyed themselves.

@dersitzpinkler2027

8 ай бұрын

Ben takes millions in Big Oil money to produce propaganda which protects their corporate interests and actively harms people. Why should a conversation be jovial with him? This looks like Alex is taking Ben’s arguments about atheism seriously, even though all of his statements about atheism conclude with “atheism leads to the worst predations imaginable.” That’s not an fun little argument about theology. Ben clearly thinks atheists are bad people who should be punished and prejudiced against. Alex should not dignify him by acting like his theological arguments are his real point. Alex is giving a propagandist exactly what he wants: to be seen as something other than a grifter.

@stultusvenator3233

8 ай бұрын

For Shapiro it is all about the Grift and dog whistles. He supports and promotes those who would if they could, have him exterminated.

This does look good, buuuut I really do appreciate this channel's ability to have less confrontation to the discussion. we don't need a 'winner' we want to hear the ideas, analysis and challenges.

@odious5317

8 ай бұрын

Agreed. I could care less about the “winning”.

@jgone4856

8 ай бұрын

True, but if we could please spend more than 5 minutes per topic. Or at least not move on from a topic just as it's getting interesting.

@gking407

8 ай бұрын

except the topic is an invisible man, there is no evidence in the first place. analysis is based on feelings not facts, which is why the debate goes on eternally

@jackooooooooo

8 ай бұрын

​​@@gking407nobody wants you here

@guywilletts2804

8 ай бұрын

​@@jackoooooooooI do. Besides, I'd like to see the most arrogant pseud in modern discourse shown a thing or two by someone who is not only cleverer than him, but who is a decent human being.

Alex has come so far in seven years I've been following him, back when I started my journey of self discovery and realized I was an atheist. I feel very fortunate to have been along for the ride.

@timgwallis

8 ай бұрын

Same

I know everyone is going to give props to Alex but also want to give props to ben for stepping up to debate real opponents not just college students, but very good debaters like Alex O'Connor & destiny!!!!! can't wait to see both!!!

@manasesa.davila1828

8 ай бұрын

Shapiros been debating non students for years what do you mean.

@Redhawk-dy3nt

8 ай бұрын

@@manasesa.davila1828 Agree, everyone says all he does is go to colleges and destroys students and then they refer to his moments where he goes on shows and debates their own hosts (Piers Morgan), which is it?

@manasesa.davila1828

8 ай бұрын

@Redhawk-dy3nt Shapiro literally became viral as a young 20s guy for demolishing Pierce on his own show. Also was seated amongst a group of people who hated him and STILL started the fight. Those amongst much, much more. He's one of the ONLY guys who will debate anyone and do it very well.

@tubsy.

8 ай бұрын

What's wrong with college students? Are they all retarded? Is it unfair? Like they're old enough to have proper education and knowledge. They are also the future of your country, so you better be thankful for discourse that will make them think and learn.

@TopHatMate888

8 ай бұрын

​@@manasesa.davila1828but he hasn't been in a real debate in a while & he does not do it as often

Didn't expect this! Very excited to see this debate!

Let's goooooo. Alex and Shapiro? There must be a God 😂

@rodyvanhulst

8 ай бұрын

Haha now you have almost convinced me :)

@raygsbrelcik5578

8 ай бұрын

What's everyone getting so JACKED about? GOODNESS! It's just Another debate. Nothing is going to be settled! It's the POUROUS attributes of Philosophy, versus, a Descendant of the ISRAELITES that, like those 2,000 years ago, Still hasn't received the Revelation of the, "RISEN CHRIST." DEAD END, my friends.

@TheLearnedFool

8 ай бұрын

If there was a god Hitch would still be around

@jokinn4849

8 ай бұрын

​@@TheLearnedFoolBlame his habit of Uncontrollable smoking and drinking lol

@tubsy.

8 ай бұрын

Glad to see atheists and theists all so friendly in this comment section 😁

Someone knows how to hype things up.

I’m so glad Alex has come so far. His channel was at one time so small and now here he is. Alex really should have his own show on the BBC or something

The fact that Alex is going out there and really bringing intellectual atheistic debate out is so commendable. It's hard to debate. A lot of the time it's just whoever lambasts the most. I loved Hitchens, but he often would suffer from meanderingly speaking and not actually answering the issues presented before him. He also was deeply dogmatic and closed minded about a lot of topics, like the Iraq war or communism. Alex, on the other hand, is a very critical person who avoids trapping himself in dogma. I think he is exactly what the atheists of the world need to refine debate and bring atheism to light.

Alex will wipe the floor with Ben Shapiro

@jackooooooooo

8 ай бұрын

Not likely since alex has said in the past religion isnt bad for society.

@tennicksalvarez9079

8 ай бұрын

Didn't expect to see you here

@tennicksalvarez9079

8 ай бұрын

​@@jackoooooooooSure? But it might due to the editing the video but ben is not putting out good arguments. So we just have to wait and see. Also as far as i know most recent prominent atheists are willing to say religion can be good for some people and society.

@GoldenMechaTiger

8 ай бұрын

​@@jackoooooooooSeems like a weird debate if they both agree so that likely isnt true or at least only partially true

@jackooooooooo

8 ай бұрын

@@tennicksalvarez9079 What im saying is that if the debates premise is whether or not religions good, then alex CANT put up much of a fight, because he agrees its good for the most part.

This looks good. Finally, some civil conversations instead of insults.

I do love to see when a content creator I agree with and one I disagree with get to have a conversation that's genuinely interesting rather than one that's a matter of "who's gonna win?"

@alobster9371

8 ай бұрын

100% agree

Holy shit? Shapiro debated an adult? I actually give him some credit for this. He’s normally talking to kids!

@TrideepNagg

8 ай бұрын

Well Alex is only 24, just graduated over a year ago

People are about to learn that speaking fast doesn't equate to real thought. well done Alex! amazing to see !

@lopave6

8 ай бұрын

Liberals won't learn anything tho, coz their brains aren't capable enough of that

I love when ben shapiro tries to make the "actually atheism is a religion" thing sound smart and nuanced.

@j8000

8 ай бұрын

The argument only works with the premise that religion is a bad lens for understanding reality, and yet apologists keep bringing it up.

@sturmgewehr4471

8 ай бұрын

That's not the point. Many atheists exhibit religious like behavior because humans are by nature religious. Scholars define religion as something you do, set of rituals and actions and behaviors. Most atheist "do" religion but the object of adoration is something else, usually politics

@user-gt5ec5bz5r

8 ай бұрын

@@sturmgewehr4471 I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. "Something you do. A set of rituals, actions, and behaviors" seems to be a very imprecise definition. Like having a morning ritual where you drink coffee is religious? I don't think you mean that. Perhaps you mean to say that many atheists are dogmatic? If that's the case, it sounds like you mean dogmatic towards just, like, a variety of things in life. That's a very broad claim, and I don't understand its point. Do you mean atheists follow some sort of atheistic dogma? To that I would say there is no atheistic dogma to follow. There are a variety of moral philosophies that many atheists might follow, perhaps they are dogmatic about it, but religious folk often also follow moral philosophies, and not all atheists care about philosophy. The purpose of your comment confuses me. My interpretation of what Ben Shapiro was saying is that atheists are more candid in their disbelief, and less likely to have doubts or see reason, than religious folk. To me it came off as an attempt to make atheists seem unreasonable and illogical. If I am incorrect in my interpretation then I apologize.

@Harvyy99

8 ай бұрын

The problem is there’s not really a great definition of what religion is. “Religion is a new term”, and so we inevitably end up just pointing to certain facets of certain traditions and then universalising them. There are different flavours of atheism, and while I was an atheist I found it often came with certain ideologies like humanism, and in occasional cases nihilism. Certain atheists, depending on their circumstances can seem to emulate certain traits are conventionally attributed towards religious people, like dogmatism as you say. Integral to being an atheist is a world view that is contrary to many of the views that humanity has held since the Palaeolithic period, and so it can be expected to also emerge with worldviews, opinions, political opinion and behaviours. So in someone saying atheism can be exhibited like a religion, where SOME become militant. Yes, I think that analogy is fitting.

@SlimyPenguin24

8 ай бұрын

​@@user-gt5ec5bz5ryes, religious does mean the first point you understood from the comment. A morning coffee routine is religious. It would be perfectly reasonable to say "I religiously drink coffee every morning" with the intention clearly being that they do it regularly, no matter what. Religion is following the rules because that's just what you do. I'm Christian but would never call myself religious. I don't do things because there's a list of rules I follow. I do things because praying, reading the Bible and other spiritual interactions with Jesus (which I am fully aware you will probably pass off as wishful thinking) help me to know Him better, and I want to live in a way that benefits that relationship. Kind of how I will talk to my wife and do what would make her happy in that moment instead of writing down a list of actions she likes and carrying them out the same way daily.

Love Alex. There are lot of agnostic and atheists I listen to, but Alex is different. He listens to others, and digs deep into arguments and answers.

Super excited for this! Found Alex through the Peter Hitchens debacle and I really appreciate his voice. Hope it's a great discussion

Alex looking mighty with that beard

Alex is a good role model for Ben in terms of mature discussion. He has the capacity to move beyond college debates and tik tok reactions. Will he?

Wow, this is going to be riveting! As a Christian who came to the faith through science, logic, and apologetics, I can’t wait to hear what arguments they use.

@maxotto9877

8 ай бұрын

Lol, maybe the last one but not the first two, let's be real The only thing that points to Christianity is an uncritical reading of the bible

@Federal_Bureau_of_Investigatio

8 ай бұрын

@@maxotto9877 and there you go you just had to do it.

@maxotto9877

8 ай бұрын

@@Federal_Bureau_of_Investigatio Well, I won't have the institution of science or the practice of logic going around being discredited like that He shouldn't need to go around lying to justify his beliefs.

@Federal_Bureau_of_Investigatio

8 ай бұрын

@@maxotto9877 i don’t care

@maxotto9877

8 ай бұрын

@@Federal_Bureau_of_Investigatio That's fine if you don't, but I don't see why you replied to me in the first place if you don't care. Christianity is not a legitimately credible belief system when looked at from a position of rationality or through scientific process, it is a faith based belief system.

Oh damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally the conversation we've been waiting for!

No way! This is something I never would've expected, but am so glad it happened

Really looking forward to this! Well done Premier Unbelievable.

@yagami1918

8 ай бұрын

Excited to see and hear your take from this great conversation.. I'm extra excited after seeing your comment.

@pure2060

8 ай бұрын

Hey. Looking forward to your imput

Can't wait for this! So happy to see Alex's success

Yes! I am incredibly excited for this conversation. I just wish Justin was part of it. Miss you, dude!

I’d like to commend both Ben and Alex for how they conducted this conversation! They sat and listened to each other. They didn’t but in. They may not have agreed but they put their points across. Refreshing! Politics could learn a lot. Society could learn a lot.

Surprised to see Ben not debating an unprepared college student

@CSUnger

8 ай бұрын

He doesn’t “debate” them. He gives talks to college audiences and then allows them to question him and his points. You only see that part of the talks on KZread. He understands, apparently as you do not, that these young people, as he himself once was, are at that critical point in their lives where their intellects are now at the highest point of self-reflection and inquiry before they are lured into selling out to the culture and living lives of the pursuit of materialism and comfort.

Yay! When I heard Ben mention during his Cambridge appearance that he "had a nice conversation with Alex" (or something to that effect), I was hoping _so_ much that "Alex" was this Alex, and that the conversation would be available publicly. It's a Christmas miracle!

Happy to see Ben debate someone who is not a college student where he just talks fast and goes viral because he ‘roasted’ a leftist. I really want to see how Alex deals with him. 🙂

@TrideepNagg

8 ай бұрын

Is Alex left or right?

Doubt I'll watch the full discussion but I'd appreciate a few clips of them OWNING each other with FACTS AND LOGIC, please.

I hope they'll have Alex return for more. Maybe even with Peterson

This is exciting! Robert Sapolsky has a new book called 'determined' which is brilliant, for anyone interested in the free will debate and its implications

This will be a great conversation!!!

@raygsbrelcik5578

8 ай бұрын

It'll be a DEAD END, my friends! Neither one of these guys will be Settling the issue! Alex simply speaks from the standpoint of the Limited parameters of man-made "Logic ( so called)," and, Philosophy. Whereas, Benny Boy still hasn't figured out the N.T. Respectfully.

@Elrog3

8 ай бұрын

@@raygsbrelcik5578 Openly admitting you don't adhere to logic is pretty damning. You wouldn't have the computer you are typing on if everyone who came before us had that disposition.

I am really curious to see Alex. In debates he is always very respectful, a very good strategy to involve and convince the doubters and those on the fence. And, as a recent graduate, he is always very academical, always looking for very refined arguments very far from the gut. I am skeptical about his performance against an aggressive debaters often resorting to zingers and one liners trying to ridicule more than to engage. Those "debates" with Piers Morgan were definitely not _great,_ although he was defending positions extremely favorable and easy to defend. He was often silenced by Piers just interrupting him to question his personal character and credibility instead of tackling the argument. This is one very hard argument - if religion is good for society is a very nuanced topic. I hope to see that he grew also as a debater!

Two of my favorite KZreadrs going head to head. This is gonna be a fun watch.

@raygsbrelcik5578

8 ай бұрын

Philosophy Vs, Confused! REALLY? Everyone's excited about THIS?? Goodness-----Quite a display of futility!

@jesseh3465

8 ай бұрын

@@raygsbrelcik5578 I'm not sure which person you consider to be confused, and I suspect they both suffer from certain forms of pride, but they both seem to be very sharp and civil debaters, from what I've seen.

@jesseh3465

8 ай бұрын

@@raygsbrelcik5578 Wait, you sound very British ("Quite a display of futility"), and I guess I've never really heard Ben say anything that I would call philosophy, so I guess you think he's confused. Personally, my perspective holds closer to Ben than Alex, despite being a bigger fan of Alex O'Connor.

@wingamwila4113

8 ай бұрын

​@@raygsbrelcik5578You speak as though you'll live forever or you have an advantage over everyone else...please be humble😂

Christian here. I like Alex a lot. He has such an even keel demeanor and his opinions are well researched and well thought out. I just happen to disagree with him about almost everything 😂 I think we need to get back to a place in the West where people can largely agree to disagree, and programs like this are a big step in that direction. Huge fan of Ben of course. This will be a great time.

@DGmuludnep

8 ай бұрын

So you think Exodus 21 is moral and owning people as property is acceptable?

@linuxramblingproductions8554

8 ай бұрын

What do you disagree with exactly and why

Les go Alex! Finally in the big games, not that you need it but I feel proud as an admirer to see you deal with the big guns.

wow!!! That's going to be a hell of a conversation!

What I wonder is why Ben Shapiro never debates professors of religion or philosophy who could undoubtedly make a much better case??. Its just...youtubers and students lol

@de_ruedi9317

8 ай бұрын

You are joking right?

@rodomolina7995

8 ай бұрын

Because he's not a good debater at all, the fact that he's considered a thought leader is absurd

@simplelife88393

8 ай бұрын

Alex is a really good debater. It's a shame he wastes his energy and intellect on something as pointless as atheism in 2023 as England dies before his eyes in slow motion.

@rodomolina7995

8 ай бұрын

@@simplelife88393 considering how fundamentalist christians have taken a huge voice in politics nowadays, I'd say arguing for atheism is absolutely important

@jackooooooooo

8 ай бұрын

​@@rodomolina7995 Not necessarily. Arguing for SECULARISM is important, not for you to have belief or disbelief.

A matchup I never saw coming...can't wait!

@jephsonmathew8062

8 ай бұрын

When is it going to happen?

Atheist here. I don't believe in a self the same way I don't believe in free will or objective morality.

HYPE! Excellent job putting this together!

I WOULD SOOOOOOO LOVE TO SEE THIS!!!!!

@raygsbrelcik5578

8 ай бұрын

GOODNESS-----You'd think ELVIS was BACK!! Nothing is going to change. It's JUST another debate-----Nothin' new!

@pognarchy

8 ай бұрын

@@raygsbrelcik5578it’s the first time in ages where bens debating someone who can pose an intellectual threat lol, it’s definitely new to see Ben debate a smart person rather than a college kid for once

Alex is one of the best technical thinkers out there, along with Rationality Rules. So good to watch him talk to others like Ben

@cashglobe

8 ай бұрын

As a thinker and intellectual, he is light years ahead of Rationality Rules. It's not even close.

@rodomolina7995

8 ай бұрын

​@@cashglobeEh they're both up there imo

@rodyvanhulst

8 ай бұрын

Rationaly rules stopt using logic in his thoughts on transgenderism.

@rodomolina7995

8 ай бұрын

@@rodyvanhulst Ah yes, the anti-trans echo chamber

@rodyvanhulst

8 ай бұрын

@@rodomolina7995 regardless of how you "feel" he lost 100.000 viewers because he stopt being rational

Alex is the true 5th horseman of athiesm!

@smilloww2095

8 ай бұрын

Not really. He's very different from the rest, far better and more fair

@raxino774

8 ай бұрын

@@smilloww2095 everyone is different from each other, and everyone has somthing disagreements with each other, that's the beauty of Atheism

@smilloww2095

8 ай бұрын

@@raxino774 I mean that the 4 horsemen of atheism all have something in common that Alex doesnt really resemble. Alex is far more neutral, he isn't much of an antitheist at all. Thats why I think its a bit inappropriate to give him that label. Also, I would say that everybody being different has nothing to do with atheism rather thats just the beauty of humanity. Atheism itself doesnt say much of anything.

@raxino774

8 ай бұрын

@@smilloww2095 You're right tho, but i said it bc very few athiest who is louder nowadays than alex, as they were at that time

@smilloww2095

8 ай бұрын

@@raxino774 Sure, thats fair.

Alex, you rock. Nice job.

This is a discussion I would actually pay to watch

Cannot wait!

Alex did really good in this, I was impressed. Good on Ben for debating someone who was well spoken and educated.

Behemoth! This discussion will be in history as one of the best discussion there is! In human kind!

The beard is doing him good.

this is so amazing! i’m proud of you Alex (: As someone who has religious trauma, your channel has helped heal me from anxiety about theism ❤

I think the most important question to ask in regards to a religion is if it is true or not.

Holy shit! I’m definitely looking forward to this one

I have no doubt that Alex will deliver.

@bearbro10

8 ай бұрын

Look at both sides, don't root for one and remember to not be biased

@Ra-ox1cm

8 ай бұрын

@@bearbro10 Ben is a fascist. There is nothing to not be biased about.

I’m so excited for this one. Both men are very witty, very clever, and honest truth seekers that stand on different sides. This is gonna be good.

@nahuel3433

8 ай бұрын

Shapiro and honest don't belong in the same sentence.

@appledough3843

8 ай бұрын

@@nahuel3433 Give me an example of when he wasn’t honest

@littlelordfuckleroy3822

8 ай бұрын

@@appledough3843 his lies fueled by a hatred towards trans people and his dishonest campaign against anti-semitism on the left while ignoring/siding with bigots and anti-Semites on the right

@nahuel3433

8 ай бұрын

@@appledough3843 We can be here all day then. His simple practice of regularly debating unprepared college students is dishonest in itself since he has a bunch of talking points premade with years of rhethoric trianing under his belt vs some unexperienced student. Speaking of. Just the other day he was asked on a q&a that since linguistically he accepts " mother" as a term that can change socially even though it specifically refers to a biological process (ie mother is someone who birthed a child, but we also accept adoptive mothers as mothers) then why doesn't he accept this with the term "woman" and he completely dodged the question. Giving random talking pojnts that didn't actually address the question, and in the few times it did, they didn't refute it at all since it still applied to "mother" But of course, he was in a stage against a student with a time limit. Even if the student was a perfect rhethoritian they couldn't have done muchmin the few seconds they were given before being kicked out.

@chrism6315

8 ай бұрын

​@@appledough3843go watch 'some more news' video about Benjamin shapiro. Man is as dishonest as they come.

Can’t wait! I love Alex and all his whacky British philosophy. As a catholic, i found myself rooting for him more than Ben

Very interesting, I wonder what Alex's stance will be because I think he has even argued before that religion has a net benefit for society and a practical advantage for individuals.

I wouldnt get my hopes too high considering this channel mainly caters to religion and have heard people get their comments deleted (allegedly.) Hope we get to see everything without parts cut out like Jubilee did with Hunter Avallone. Still really excited 🎉🎉😊

@seankennedy4284

8 ай бұрын

This comment should be deleted.

@milkyJuman

8 ай бұрын

@@seankennedy4284 hope it does not 🤞

@wakkablockablaw6025

8 ай бұрын

I don't think they edit debates.

@odious5317

8 ай бұрын

Alex would call them out in it. I doubt they’d do it with him (if they do).

Not sure monotheism was mankind's best idea. The Greek Gods were more fun and didnt demand endless worshipping and rules of behavior with an underlying threat of violence if not followed. Alex and Ben seem to have a healthy respect for each other and look forward to the full debate.

@marklar2012

8 ай бұрын

Yes - because those gods were like you. Made in the image of man. They were sinful, carnal, unstable - just like man is. God of the Bible is holy, absolute tri-personality. God of the Bible explain one and many philosophical dillema, He is standard of righteousness, Justice, Goodness, etc. And much more. Gives peace that surpasses all understanding. I wish you would give up little things and start pursuing the highest possible purpose in your life. To know God.

@Rocky-ur9mn

8 ай бұрын

Seriously? The geek gods that were regular rapists were a better code of conduct that the Christian God? Read dominion by Historian Tom Holland, Christian monotheism was the GREATEST thing to happen to humanity 😊

@wakkablockablaw6025

8 ай бұрын

Is that why the Greeks still "endlessly worshipped" the Greek Gods and were scared to die at sea since their souls would be lost forever?

@jkm9332

8 ай бұрын

What the fuck are you talking about?

@dmon728

8 ай бұрын

@@marklar2012 Lol, the irony. You must be quite sheltered to be able to preach about justice and goodness.

This is going to be epic! Alex is so much better when debating religion rather than veganism or the royals.

bruh, that debate is gonna be lit! Two great intellectuals on religion and atheism

Truly epic

@daveyofyeshua

8 ай бұрын

Apart from the many times Alex tried to poke holes at Christianity forgetting his talking to a Jew 🤦‍♂️

Once again, we're going to learn that, despite the atrociousness of the core religious texts, which in 2023 should be clear to everyone, people defending religion will use every stat, figure of speech, heuristics available to hold on to it. Thank you Alex, for fighting this everlasting craziness.

The setting is make me think about them talking in casual setting with heavy topic while having romantic dinner hahah 😂

Always interesting to hear Alex debate - he's the only atheist I know of worth listening to, and he's always an interesting counterfoil to theists in discussions, as his calm and sensible questioning teases out the best intellectual reasoning from his opponents.

Alex, I *believe* in you.

@comicbookguy591

8 ай бұрын

I have FAITH in him

@rodyvanhulst

8 ай бұрын

Alexism 😂

@raygsbrelcik5578

8 ай бұрын

BAD CHOICE!!

I’m excited to see an appearance by smart Ben Shapiro. Too often he gets away with weaker arguments because there’s no one in the room willing and able to challenge him. You usually only get his A game when there is.

@FrenkieWest32

8 ай бұрын

if one needs to be ''challenged'' to not have weak arguments, they cannot be all that smart

Ben was talking so fast in the beginning I legitimately checked to see if my video was playing at 2x speed 😂

Well. I look forward to hearing ben explain how people that doubt that a god exists, actually have never doubted and are more religious than believers. How does one go from being a religious believer to atheist without ever doubting?

Thing is ben can't be convinced of anything ultimately he just believes what he wants based on confirmation bias

@StudiesOfTheAncientNearEast

8 ай бұрын

As if you are any different.

@No_BS_policy

8 ай бұрын

Confirmation bias exempts no one, including your camp

@stultusvenator3233

8 ай бұрын

For Shapiro it is all about the Grift and dog whistles. He supports and promotes those who would if they could, have him exterminated.

@Redhawk-dy3nt

8 ай бұрын

Ben has admitted to changing his views and becoming more libertarian on certain subjects, and convincing someone of religion or its existence seems like a physical impossibility.

@enbonj5842

8 ай бұрын

We all have confirmation bias but not everyone has the delusion to not see it's the main component of their belief. Yes Ben has swayed on some beliefs but the core ones to his tribe he hasn't and it's obvious to see based on his hypocrisy

I thought Alex already agreed that religion is relatively good for society. Maybe I'm misremembering.

@raygsbrelcik5578

8 ай бұрын

The Fundamental undergirding of Religion, is simply, being "MORAL," Being a decent human being. Or, humbling oneself, and believing there is "Someone," or, "Something," GREATER than yourself. Nothing wrong with That!

@wakkablockablaw6025

8 ай бұрын

@@raygsbrelcik5578 Did you reply to the wrong person?

@TomFranklinX

8 ай бұрын

Depends on what religion

@wakkablockablaw6025

8 ай бұрын

@@TomFranklinX Did he say that Christianity is bad for society?

@LukasMatejka-du5hb

8 ай бұрын

religion/spirituality was never the problem in the first place...... all the problems always come from the "human element" of it, which is the institutions representing religions....... church of scientology, vatican, sharia law etc....... if you don't participate/support any of those people and you just keep your faith/spirituality, you are certainly not hurting anyone

This soooo huge, can't wait for this debate. Thank you so much for this amazing set up.

I'm such a nerd. I'm a grown man and I love both these guys so much I'm actually giddy for this

The difference between Alex and Ben is that Alex puts forward good arguments whereas Ben is good at putting forward arguments. There’s a subtle difference.

@desertsand8778

8 ай бұрын

Aka arguments that you agree with because you're an insular twat

It would've been more interesting if it was a debate on the truth of a God or along those lines, but in any case, I always wanted to see alex and ben. Dont think Ben's going to be sufficiently prepared talking on (philosophy of) religion

The thumbnail makes it look like Alex is also wearing a Yamaka, which might get some peoples’ hopes up

Wow! Ben Shapiro actually sitting down to debate someone who isn't a college kid, clueless streamer or media hack!? 🤔 Didn't think I'd see the day 🤷

Watch them cut out a significant amount of Alex's good points to make it seem like an even debate

@user-vz4gg6cs4l

8 ай бұрын

Nah, they can't do that otherwise Alex is just gonna call them out on being liars and they'd be busted.

@autisticphaglosophy7128

8 ай бұрын

He doesn’t have many good points if you’ve ever seen him debate moral philosophy in the past the blatant ignorance is astounding.

@matswessling6600

8 ай бұрын

@@autisticphaglosophy7128what?

@gidmanone

8 ай бұрын

​@@autisticphaglosophy7128let me guess. you are a religious individual. you see that was easy

@billsherman1565

8 ай бұрын

@@autisticphaglosophy7128This reeks of someone who has never read any philosophy at all lol

Wow, Ben Shabibo actually growing a small pair and debating someone other than college students at his own personal conferences...... Hope Alex didn't go easy on him...

@radscorpion8

8 ай бұрын

But he basically is a student lol. Its the same

@The_Story_Of_Us

8 ай бұрын

@@radscorpion8 Not really. I also mentioned that they often only challenge people on a stage that they themselves control or which isn't directly confrontational enough to provide much of a challenge. It still isn't very ballsy because Alex isn't super confrontational compared to a fair few others who absolutely would debate Ben if he challenged them on a fair playing field.

@johnxina-uk8in

8 ай бұрын

Yes it's called trying to change minds. No one wants to debate a 70 yo college professor who's been indoctrinated for 50 years into a failed education system

@timothymatthews6458

8 ай бұрын

​@@radscorpion8 Ben has this show called the Sunday Special, which is his platform for interviewing high-profile/famous people. Although they are not de facto debates, they are in practice. So on the show he has debated people like Sam Harris and Ezra Klein. Google it.

@chah80

8 ай бұрын

Hey have some goddamn respect. It's pronounced 'Shapiño'

When is the full interview dropping? Looks like such a good one. Fair play Alex

@FuzionOptics

8 ай бұрын

6pm uk time today

alright. i have never been excited for a debate/podcast. but here i am!

O'Connor vs Shapiro Conversation of the year hopefully. Respect for both intelligent civilized gentlemen.

@Cookiekeks

8 ай бұрын

Shapiro and intellect? lol

@oscarg8449

8 ай бұрын

@@CookiekeksYou’re really dumb if you can’t recognize that Ben Shapiro is brilliant. You can just take a look at his track record in addition to his above 150 IQ.

@stultusvenator3233

8 ай бұрын

For Shapiro it is all about the Grift and dog whistles. He supports and promotes those who would if they could, have him exterminated.

@gsp3428

8 ай бұрын

@@Cookiekeks I know, Shapiro only was the youngest syndicated columnist in the whole country, and then scored perfect on his SAT score, then graduated, then only becamae a harvard law graduate, and built a multimillion dollar media business. I am sure you have accomplished way more.

@amahaiyassu564

8 ай бұрын

@@gsp3428 🙏

Absolutely love both of these guys.

@archangelarielle262

8 ай бұрын

How do you love Ben? He's a charlatan and sophist.

@kipz

8 ай бұрын

how's that

Something big is coming this way :D!

thoroughly looking forward to this one

As a Christian, I am absolutely pumped that these two young philosophical heavyweights are wrestling this topic together! There is no question that Alex is my favourite atheist to listen to at the moment. He brings a sincerity and authenticity to the table, whilst Ben also brings the same. Both of these men are rhetorically and topically equipped and solid. I am excited for this!

@AeonStaite

8 ай бұрын

Ben? Sincere? Authentic? HAHAHAHA that fucking pedophile protector is routinely caught lying his fucking ass off, as well as misrepresenting reality.

@florencegielen5640

8 ай бұрын

Shapiro is middle aged 😅 They’re of completely different generations

@fabiometalsinger

8 ай бұрын

Defining Shapiro as a "philosophical heavyweight" is an insult to both philosophers and heavyweight lifters at the same time. Kudos for this all-encompassing insult. We like to remember the time when Ben replied to a question about sea levels rising by suggesting that people living on the coastlines could simply sell their houses before being flooded by the sea. We also like to remember Hbomberguy tearing through a wall with the ominous question "to whom, Ben? Fucking Acquaman?" Truly one of the finest thinkers of our time

@Ixnatifual

8 ай бұрын

Watch RationalityRules' exposure of Ben's dishonesty. Sincerity and authenticity is the last thing he's going to bring.

@fabiometalsinger

8 ай бұрын

@@Ixnatifual the former-last thing he will bring will be his hypothetical reasoning. "Let's say, hypothetically" one of the worst sentences his mouth can ever speak since it's usually followed by a completely unrealistic hypothesis you are asked to consider seriously. Most of the times the right answer to this kind of questioning coming from Ben is "have you ever lived among humans?"

0:17 "It's insane how quickly deontologist transform into utilitarians on this question" He goin straight for his throat🥶 edit: this comment deleted yet?

@wakkablockablaw6025

8 ай бұрын

nope

@someguyontheinternet2729

8 ай бұрын

I don't think that he actually is going for his throat. That's pretty much a very easy statement to answer. No.1 it's possible that Ben's answering this from appealing to a utilitarian standpoint meaning that even though he's a deontologist he can say that as a utilitarian, we ought keep religion because it gives an overall benefit towards humanity. No. 2 or the pretty obvious remark that no one person can follow a one moral framework only. People often fight among each other the kinds of moral framework they are using as if pretending that if you're a deontologist then that's the only moral principle you get to live with, which is hardly the case. It's possible to follow more than one moral framework and that's what humans have been doing for the rest of their history.

@fabiometalsinger

8 ай бұрын

@@someguyontheinternet2729 basically you are saying "you can be X until it suits your agenda, once it is not useful you can change your position to a complete opposite one without problems" Ah, this unknown thing that are principles. Keep a position until you can gain from it, as soon as a problem in this position is highlighted switch to a different one instead of recognising the fault in your position. Sorry, it doesn't work this way; if you agree with a philosophycal position you should strive to approach it with all the aspects in your life. If one aspect is not fitting well for any reason you should try finding a more suitable way of living, in philosophy as in life there are no "exceptions confirming the rule", there are only bad rules not finding application in reality

@someguyontheinternet2729

8 ай бұрын

@@fabiometalsinger that's a strawman, I'm saying that humans are complicated and that our moral principles vary, are you seriously going to suggest to me that an individual can only adhere to one moral principle and only that moral principle all his life? Let's assume that you're a utilitarian, does that mean that every moral decision you do is only based on that principle? Don't you have certain moral beliefs that are also deontoligical? It's not "changing your position" to have other moral frameworks. Some people have a more deontoligical bent or leaning while still holding certain utilitarian principles (and vice versa). In theory an individual should only stick and be consistent with one, but real life doesn't work like your ethics textbook.

@fabiometalsinger

8 ай бұрын

@@someguyontheinternet2729 I get what you are saying but in this case we are not talking about everyday life and the complexity of one's decisions. Here we are looking at a debate where two philosophical positions clash; if one of the two participants is constantly getting the other in a position where he is denying the core tenants of his philosophy maybe that specific philosophical position it's kind of shit. I do have a strong moral framework according to which I act in my everyday life and I can assure you, I'd never fold one of its core principles like Ben is doing with his answer to Alex's question. And I'm a normal guy, not one of the main defenders of a way of living which is honestly abhorrent: live your life according to my religious rules or be crushed under the state heel. Get fucked and start living YOUR life according to YOUR principles, don't worry what others do in their lives, shitman

well done ben, he's finally got his seat at the big boys' table

HOLY SHIT!! This is the pairing I never knew I needed. THIS IS AWESOME!!!!! So excited.

There probably wouldn't be any issue with religion if it weren't for the dogma, the personal god who tells you what to eat, wear, gives you list of rules, etc, and those followers wanting to impose it on everyone. If people just worshiped and were spiritual it would be a more peaceful world.

@wet-read

8 ай бұрын

Not to nitpick, for I largely agree, but I must say worship is a rather strange and overrated concept. We might do it at times, and for various things and reasons, but being told one must always worship a certain thing is extremely off-putting to me.

@greysinferno8214

8 ай бұрын

​@wet-read I would argue that everyone worships something. Depends on how you define worship. I would define it as anything that takes up the most of your time, consciousness, and energy outside of basic necessities.

@rodyvanhulst

8 ай бұрын

That reminds me of Bruce almighty were even God claimed it was better to have a good idea about who/what God is. Because nobody will wage war over an idea.

@bloopboop9320

8 ай бұрын

Ah yes, how dare a religion have rules and regulations. The benefits of religion are the rules and regulations. If there were no rules and regulations it would have no benefits.

@wet-read

8 ай бұрын

@@bloopboop9320 But you can have the benefits of religion without the dogma(s) therein. Nobody needs religion, but a lot of people think they do.

Ben is completely outmatched in everyway.

Lol the music for this is the Bleach anime OST track Anguish.

i would have never seen this one coming! two of my favourite people on youtube