I think some are making this a big issue & trying to defame Lucy. In that video, Lucy told she herself was mispronouncing some words. If she meant to insult others, she wouldnt have told that. It's all misunderstanding. I have been watching her videos for long. She is a great teacher. Please don't create a bad name for her. She didn't intend any of these.

@MrBrey-qv6jp

4 жыл бұрын

@Monika Shree Yeah she is. A pretty and charming teacher too

@elvira3919

4 жыл бұрын

@@blueice011 So d*** true!

@madanmohan1024

4 жыл бұрын

@@blueice011 Agreed. It's shameful that she was attacked in this way when she has only been trying to help. Unfortunately this tutor's understanding of language does not align with that of immigration evaluations. That is the audience that found Lucy's videos useful and this gentleman has a problem with that.

@nandolastminute5730

4 жыл бұрын

"I genuinely think that she is trying to help and this is not a personal attack. Lucy is just a symptom of a sick industry" Congratulations to all who understand what Lucy's intentions are. Now you just have to understand Christian's message.

@monikashree6219

4 жыл бұрын

@@blueice011 Absolutely! They must generate traffic genuinely. Not by attacking someone like this.

As far as I remember she told about mispronunciation, not about accent, it's different things. Mispronunciation can be a reason of misunderstanding, so, I personally didn't find something offending in that video. Moreover, she mentioned that she also makes mistakes in pronunciation.

@mekmekare

4 жыл бұрын

I'm with you there!

@denisartemkin8986

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@hasbezurainiabubakar5844

3 жыл бұрын

I am lost here. Somehow, I feel that he is trying to make an equivalent that pronunciation is accent. I understand, perhaps that this squabble is mainly among native speakers of English from around the world. However, to us English Second Language learners and English Foreign Language learners, we still rely on RP and dictionary pronunciation as guide to say words in English.

@zenoid

3 жыл бұрын

This is certainly true..

@pabslondon

3 жыл бұрын

Good point

As a native spanish speaker and english learner for several years, I never felt Lucy was calling anyone stupid for mispronuncing some words, I am glad that there´s people like her, helping us learn, and be better at our second language. You as a teacher should know that accents do matter at some point, because sir, if I go to your country on vacation and I didnt care about my accent and pronunciation you know whats gonna happen, nobody is going to understand me. And instead of causing drama and create this video so that your followers could start attacking her just because she used apparently forbidden words, just continue doing your stuff. This is the first video I see from you and all i can see is just hate, so this is going to be the last one.

@adamm6816

4 жыл бұрын

You know how it works. Publicity gained. Mission accomplished.

@elvira3919

4 жыл бұрын

So so true!!! She's got over 4 million subbies who love and appreciate her knowledge and passion about teaching English whereas this guy has got only 200k. It's all about money, fame and popularity they wish they had. They want the hype, a piece of cake, that's why they attack Lucy. So low, so indecent, so inappropriate of them. Shame!

@afonsomafra7692

4 жыл бұрын

I am with you! Totally agree. Lucy is a bright star, they will try to damage her image, but it's not possible. We all know that this video is unfair and I have NO interest at all in considering such nonse.

@gs7828

3 жыл бұрын

He talked about a phenomenon, not a single case, dammit. The point was clear and talked about the community as a whole.

@loredanatagliaferri5339

3 жыл бұрын

@@gs7828 no he didnt.

I am not a native English speaker and I did not feel offended. It seemed to me that all Lucy was trying to teach us how we should pronounce those words...

@Canguroenglish

4 жыл бұрын

Please direct your criticism here: twitter.com/RobDrummond/status/1266281678302900224?s=20

@machineheads

4 жыл бұрын

For non-native speakers it doesn't matter as people see English as english. However for people with mother tongue as english but lives in differ geographies, this is accent descrimination . Moreover accent doesn't define professionalism and intelligence.

@gold12smp

4 жыл бұрын

Ananth Rajesh I agree with you that accent does not define professionalism but I think that everybody who has english as a second lenguage would like to talk and sound as a native because that helps us blend more into a comunnity and I find it helpfull that people like Lucy helps us un that way

@anaaltamirano5070

4 жыл бұрын

@@gold12smp you missed the point. There are a ton of native accents. We all know Lucy teach RP but saying indirectly you're not professional, intelligent or educated if you don't speak that way it's wrong bc many native English speakers pronounce all those words differently and that's not mispronounced but accent instead. I know she did not have the intention to say that so she regret and that's fine, actually it's something cool she can see through this and realise the situation.

@Ducanralf

4 жыл бұрын

I didn’t feel offended either but the world isn’t all about me so I respect this who did.Stay safe 👋

Honestly, I don't quite see how big the problem is. You mentioned a little girl as an example. I'd like to say if I were the little girl and heard that my pronunciation of 'February' was wrong or had some little mistakes, I would be very happy to know I was wrong so that I could correct my pronunciation. What Lucy did was just to tell you what pronunciation of a word is according to dictionary and how to pronounce it. The words like 'professional', 'intelligent' etc. are just gimmicks, something that draw your attention on her videos. I really don't see any problems with her.

@yama1019

4 жыл бұрын

You said it,you presume that saying those words are just a way to catch the attention. Unfortunately not everyone can think like that.

@Firuzeh

4 жыл бұрын

No, it’s about the words she used to describe people who mispronounce it which will make learners feel stupid and judge others for mispronouncing words as stupid.

@terarican

4 жыл бұрын

Firuzeh interesting, many learners don't feel that way, including me.

@mekmekare

4 жыл бұрын

I'm with you 100%.

@user-fd5gm2fg4z

4 жыл бұрын

The problem is she shouldn't insult another person's intelligence with pronunciation because English is goblolize accent, as long as we can communicate globally.

This time I disagree with you strongly. I've watched Lucy's upload you're speaking about, and it seems the video in question was not about accents at all. I think Lucy is quite right. When someone pronounces 'asterisk' as 'asteriks', or 'et cetera' as 'ekcetera', or 'pronunciation' as 'pronounciation', that's not an accent. It's just sloppiness and/or ignorance. Every good teacher should make it clear to his/her students that those are mistakes.

@victoriainge97

4 жыл бұрын

These pronunciations can be dialectical in English people, not due to lack of education or 'sloppiness' but due to the fact that is the way it is said by the people they have grown up with in the place they were born. Speaking a certain way should not matter. As long as you can be understood then you can communicate, and fear of communicating in your own dialect should not hold anyone back or make them feel lesser. That is the point he was trying to make

@maylinleedsmayi

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. She mentioned how to avoid wrong pronunciation. As a learner myself I don’t mind being told the true pronunciation of “pronunciation” is “pronunciation” instead of “pronounciation”. What’s wrong with that??? Some people hate being criticised when it comes to accent but Lucy never implies a British (RP) accent is superior to other accents. It is a problem that many language institutions hire white faces with a “correct” accent with no qualifications or teaching experiences. It’s fact. But it’s not Lucy’s fault. I find it weird to take it all out on her and calling her names. Yes she shouldn’t have used the words “intelligent” and “professional” as a click bait and you can criticise that part. But saying Lucy is creating “language discrimination” is a very serious accusation and I honestly think it’s another way of marketing propaganda itself

@Silbusia

4 жыл бұрын

We come to Lucy's channel to learn RP pronunciation. If anybody was offended by any of her videos then it seems they have some complex about their English accent. Unsubscribe and go to other teachers if you don't like it, we want to learn RP and that's why we go to Lucy.

@pronsigcoordinators845

4 жыл бұрын

I think most of this is to do with another video she also just deleted - in that one she compared a Northern English speaker's pronunciation to herself, and said that you could sound more English and more professional if you spoke, like Lucy, with an RP accent. Using the Northern speaker (who now spoke RP) to demonstrate that 'change was possible'. It was quite shocking.

@reikommambwe8504

4 жыл бұрын

This is also my opinion. She wasn't talking about accents, but how to say the words correctly.

I have been following English with Lucy for 3 years and I am sure her purpose was teaching us the best. I've never felt offended.

@wahidurrahman8993

Жыл бұрын

I believed she's right to look at her purpose, not political views

Wow, you really made a mountain out of a mole. They were suggestions for how to speak, if you can think, you can also choose what to absorb and what not to absorb, you don't need to take every little thing so personally. Grow a thicker skin! When I'm learning a new language I want to know the correct way to pronounce things, how am I going to learn otherwise?

@angelagarcia8200

4 жыл бұрын

Right, I am agree with you.

@gs7828

3 жыл бұрын

He said that some YT videos are just a direct symptoms of what he talked about. Follow the video's message.

@loredanatagliaferri5339

3 жыл бұрын

@@gs7828 not "some videos". He specifically referred to a you tuber and named her. This sounds like a personal attack. Although he denies that...

@gs7828

3 жыл бұрын

Loredana Tagliaferri Ah now mentioning someone and criticising them as an example of a larger phenomenon is a personal attack?

@unknown_0514

3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with this....

Accent can’t cause misunderstanding !? Ohhhh It can when all kinds of accents mixed with different pronunciations. It’d be less efficient environment to work in. Again, it causes misunderstanding all the time especially for non-native language learners!!!! We need a standard and widely universally understood pronunciation to start with And become familiar with and then understand the language before we can continue to understand different accent or pronunciation from some regions.

Unnecessary criticism of Lucy who is an excellent teacher. If you see the video she says that she used to pronounce the words wrongly herself. She is just correcting commonly mispronounced words.

@julianortiz1882

4 жыл бұрын

I'm disagree because he explains all his view listen why he says that's mad and then comment.

@2010Tigresa

4 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry she's not a teacher, she's a business woman.

@mekmekare

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, Lata.

@user-fd5gm2fg4z

4 жыл бұрын

@Argon M What a nasty comment.

@erine.5680

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly completely agree.Some people feed of the hypersensitive ones by making videos criticising Lucy.Come on that's her witty personality and the main reason we actually prefer her learning us English over others

@EnglishwithLucy often says "to sound like a Native(British) Speaker"... I understand your point of view but I think Lucy never meant any harm.. She never said "to sound with the better accent", she just corrected mispronunciations. P.S. You can only give what you have.. She is British, hence teaches British as a native Language for those interested. You dont expect her to teach American or Aus English.

@yohanstsegeyohans732

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly although she does come over american and australian terms from time to time

I don't usually comment on things, but this I have to.. I think people like yourself need to stop feeling so offended over every little thing and move on. You might have felt offended personally, doesn't give you any right what so ever to defame someone else or make them feel bad simply because you or someone else might have been offended. I have been watching Lucy's channel for a while now and I have never taken anything of hers personally or felt offended by any of her videos. Get over yourself, grow up, stop being offended by others and try to make content to help people rather than to inflame a situation or defame someone to the point they feel they need to make an apology video.

@reynamejia4314

4 жыл бұрын

I couldn't say it better.👏👏👏👏

@Guyomar

4 жыл бұрын

He didn't defame her. The video wasn't full of personal insults. He objected publicly to a public video. Why are you offended?

@gs7828

3 жыл бұрын

He talked about the phenomenon, not a single example. Not that hard to grasp.

@loredanatagliaferri5339

3 жыл бұрын

@@gs7828 not a single example? Are you deaf?

@TEACHERCITO

3 жыл бұрын

You are right. Lucy IS a graet teacher,

I'm really glad you've made this video. Let me share a story of a 27-year-old Yorkshire "lass" who just so happens to be a pronunciation/English teacher. I'm from Yorkshire. When I'm not teaching, I, of course, speak with my "normal" accent. This is a very thick cross between a North and East Yorkshire accent (more East, as I grew up there from the age of 8). When I was 8 and moved to this new town just a few miles away from my previous one, I was judged because of my accent. I felt ashamed and changed it to fit in. Please bear in mind that I was only EIGHT. When I was in secondary school, I was told "you won't achieve anything because you sound stupid with that accent" and "people with a Yorkshire accent sound so dopey*" (for learners, "dopey" means "idiotic" or "very foolish"). While I was studying at university in Spain and working as a language assistant in a secondary school, I remember meeting a girl from the South of England who told me "you shouldn't teach English with THAT accent". She took it further one day by saying "you can't teach English with a non-standard accent, it's not right!". For my dissertation for my English Language and Linguistics degree, I wrote my entire paper on the teaching of non-standard accents and dialects and students' perceptions of non-standard varieties of English. So you can see just how much this topic had affected me by this point. During my CELTA teacher training (which I did in York, Yorkshire), I transcribed the word "bath" on the board with the transcriptions /bɑːθ/ (RP) and /bæθ/ (the northern pronunciation). After the class in my feedback session, I was told not to teach forms that were "non-standard". I argued the fact that we were in Yorkshire and therefore it's important to teach students varieties of the language that they will more than likely hear while out in the streets of York. I was told by my CELTA instructor "it's better if you just stick to RP, okay?". Apparently, if I didn't, it would be marked against me. When teaching in a summer school after finishing my degree and CELTA course, a fellow colleague told me "do you ACTUALLY teach students with that accent? Your poor students!!". When I told some friends (who are teachers) that I wanted to choose pronunciation as my niche for my business, I was told by one teacher "are you sure? You don't have an RP accent though. If you're going to teach pronunciation, then you really need to speak properly". I've spent the last 28 years of my life being laughed at, criticised, judged, and put down because of my accent. It has softened over the years, but it's still definitely not RP and I'm very proud of it. Thank you for shining some light on this topic, Christian. Nobody should be made to feel ashamed because of their accent. Pronunciation is important for understanding, but labelling someone as "unintelligent", "unprofessional" and "uneducated" because of the way you pronounce words is not acceptable.

@dmytrosolodovnyk5215

4 жыл бұрын

Why can some even decent people be so rude! I'm sorry you had to go through all of it. Just keep doing what you do, your work is important!

@diegoalves9285

4 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you...you have a long background,I'm so proud of your mindset !!!!!

@queenlet9929

4 жыл бұрын

TBH I really like your accent and I've binged all ur podcast with English TV live just to be like your accent BTW I think you got many obstacles in ur way when you were studying and teaching but you approved for every one that you can be what you want to be Emma you're my hero ❤❤

@NympoGaming

4 жыл бұрын

My god, that's straight up bullying. I'm sorry to hear you've gone through this. Your story reminds me of something similar that's happened and still is present to this day in the country where I live. So generally speaking, there are two main types of pronunciation on the territory of my country - one is the "formal", traditional version(spoken in the capital) and the other is a dialect spoken among people who live in the Eastern Part of my state. The people who speak with Eastern accent tend to enunciate vowels differently from people in the capital and the provinces surrounding the capital city. Well that isn't really a problem in itself but when it's paired with the prejudice against those who happened to be born and raised outside of a big metropolitan city then one can clearly see some lingering ill feelings between both camps. Just to clarify those living in the province are usually viewed by metropolitans as uneducated, generally poorer and unable to do anything other than driving a tractor or picking up veggies from their gardens. Many times whether it be face to face or on social media, discussions about cities would more often than not turn into verbal battlegrounds for people who put their city on a pedestal and trash talk townies or the vice versa. So I can relate to this although I myself have never been belittled because of the way I speak, I can see how something like this can be annoying and even oppressive.

@lorenzobenedusi6352

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Emma I'm sorry for that ☹️ I would like to share with you my opinion. I agree that in formal situations we have to use an official language in order to understand each other. However, during friendly situations we are fully free and it's unfair to judge. Someone could confuse accent with mispronunciation. They are not the same, right?

Canguro English I understand and appreciate your reason for this video. Now if you are learning maybe French or Japanese (or any other language), shouldnt you try to pronounce words the way they do. I mean thats why we learn the language right?. One simply cannot pronounce eg: Champ Elysees the way it is written Is that not so? What Lucy is doing is NOT WRONG or even politically incorrect. I have watched a lot of her videos and found nothing offensive or objectionable about them. By the way, I am Indian.

@pabslondon

3 жыл бұрын

You said "shouldnt you try to pronounce words the way they do" - well his point is that 'they' have many different ways to pronounce the same words depending on their regional accent. However I agree that R.P should be what non-native speakers should aim for.

I feel like a lot of people commenting have not really watched this video in full, or really taken the time to reflect on what is being said. I am a native English speaker who has an accent from the north of England (Manchester). I am highly educated, intelligent and professional, but have often not been viewed as such by other native speakers because of my accent. I was told by a friend (who speaks with a "proper" English accent) that before he moved out of his home town and met people like me from the north, he did not think it was possible to have an accent like mine and "be intelligent". Seriously. That's a result of classism and the disrespect of regional accents. Now, when it comes to the accents of non-native speakers, it's also wrapped up in anglocentrism, colonialism, racism and xenophobia. THIS is what the speaker is challenging in this video. No one is saying teachers should not help their students to learn the corect pronunciation in order to be understood.

with all due respect sir, i think you are just being pained, and you are taking this personal, because if you had wanted to protect the image of the teaching industry as u intended, then this is absolutely not the proper way, calling Lucy out this way means that u want to destroy her image and you are telling the public that there are bad teachers in the industry. The best thing you should have done is to have gone to her privately on her platforms, point her mistakes, which i believe she was only being enthusiastic i didn't mean to disrespect anyone,Lucy would have corrected the mistake herself, taking it to your youtube channel is a no no for me, you would also have to apologise for this

@EnriqueAgustini

4 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you. That's a way a real fellow would do it. If he appreciates criticism I think he will love this.

@monikashree6219

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, he must apologise to Lucy for putting her in such a jeopardy.

@tomthekhmerbreed9166

4 жыл бұрын

Just do it in public to let everybody know and not accept what she had said because her words has already gone to the public, too (It's not killing her, but just to help her pull back all the mistakes or those discriminating words). If going to her privately, we would not be able to help the puplic out at a time. If one thinks that he/she has really made any mistake, just accept it and apologize in public. This is great for one who is responsible, and it also sounds so passionate. Just do it! I love Lucy, too!

@chrahma4651

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you.

@Dahalum

4 жыл бұрын

Obviously he done it for the views. He's trying to make a name for himself. Maybe try and steal some of Lucy's subscribers.

Your video might convey great message but in the same time it is a very discouraging material and approbation of laziness. You say that my accent was formed when I was little and no matter how much I try I will never be able to change it because of where I was born (what a discrimination!). And I can give up right now on improving pronunciation because it will never be improved! Well, I might as well give up on learning English at all because I will never be as fluent as a native speaker! But that's not the point of learning, you CAN learn anything. I am a linguist and I do believe that with enough time spent among native speakers, awareness and training of the articulation apparatus and enough practice I am able to improve my accent A LOT, even nearly native. That's one thing. A completely other thing is pronunciation. And pronunciation is a matter of positioning the tongue! You can practice positioning your tongue as much as you can practice your body to dance salsa or modern jazz or to weigh-lift! I disagree with the research you mentioned because it's discouraging and only partly true. I know real life cases where you can't tell the difference, be it my native language or my second and third languages. How about people who move to another country at the age of 10-15 and they do acquire fully native accent? They do exist. I don't have to sound native, it is totally OK. But I want to be understood and credible. And I have the right to strive to get an accent I'd love to have. And no research will make me give up. If we all believed in researches already done, we would never go forward. And if I now chose to listen to you, I might as well stop learning English because I will never gain fluency, so what is the point? Lucy's point was not the accent makes us sound UNeducated, UNprofessional etc. but the wrong PRONUNCIATION. There is a big difference if I say "I hate that /bitʃ/" vs. "I hate that /bɪtʃ/", isn't it? You're the teacher. Or the popular "what are you /s/inking about?"... Another research shows that correct PRONUNCIATION makes our speech more credible and intelligible and each group of languages has some features of pronunciation they require more practice to sound closer to native speakers. As long as our pronunciation doesn't cause misunderstandings, that should be fine. But what when it does? Going to Lucy's channel is a conscious choice of trying to learn the "standard" British accent and to learn pronunciation. I want to know what pronunciations I should improve in order to do so. I might never get there but at least I could say I tried. If I want to learn English just to communicate, I can go to another channel. It'd be boring if all the teachers were the same. And, really, no one forces anyone to watch Lucy. If someone doesn't like her, they can simply switch her video off. Naming her here was a low blow. And her videos are not offensive, they are funny and have more catchy titles, which also gains her more views (because why not?). I agree with you that using words "unintelligent" or "uneducated" is not great. She could have simply said "more credible". But what is worse than that is taking hope and determination away which you did. Plus, confusing accents and pronunciations and misconception of what learning English as a second language are present in your video. You should know better as a teacher. Coming among native speakers with faulty pronunciation that makes us not understood, who do you think should adjust? Learners or native speakers? It is only a benefit for the learners to learn correct pronunciations, they gain new knowledge and more people to talk to. More opportunities be it work, relationships, education... And, probably today you are going to have a peak of views because of your video, though I don't accuse you of trying to gain a bigger audience - it's like with pronunciation - it is never going to be good enough anyway (according to you). To me, this video just shows another side of discrimination and is a cry for subscribers.

@RostyslavNazarenko

4 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with you. Thank you for being such a good person. P.s. Lucy said "to sound professional and etc..." so it doesn't mean unprofessional. It's the people who interpret It in that way.

@karinawalenkiewicz7547

4 жыл бұрын

Beautifully made point, I agree completely with you Matylda!

@TheFlowerbeast

4 жыл бұрын

This! I used to have a very thick Swedish accent but I worked hard to reduce it. So now that every time I speak in English, I do sound like a native speaker! When I speak in Swedish, I do of course sound like a Swede. This dude is overly dramatic and just chasing the clout. Don't listen to him.

@matyldakot8569

4 жыл бұрын

@@RostyslavNazarenko right! I don't remember how it was exactly and Lucy deleted it so I can't rewatch it - you see, the author of this video made me confused and demotivated with his overall message.

@matyldakot8569

4 жыл бұрын

@G Mrazín well put and much shorter!

It doesn't make you 'angry' it makes you jealous.

@samodahansamali6710

3 жыл бұрын

correct

@nightmare_king5261

3 жыл бұрын

Fax

Well, as a non native English speaker and someone who lives and works in the UK, I did not feel that Lucy's video was offensive at all. This is the reality that I personally had to experience many times! Yes, sometimes my mediterrenean accent was not liked by some employers who did not give me the job or some people around me who gave me strange looks or skip and ignore me when I was speaking! And yes, I feel that we are kidding ourselves here! I'm not saying this is nice or political correct but it happens!!!!!!!!!! Some people still connect pronunciation and accents with intelligence, credibility and professionalism but this is the ugly reality in some countries, unfortunately! So, instead of accusing Lucy and others for offensive videos, let's be honest with ourselves about the society that we live in. Let's try to change ourselves and the society will come next! Thank you for your time!

Also, her channel focuses on British English, it's literally called "Beautiful British English" so she can do whatever there. Lucy, you rock, whatever anyone says! Love and support from the US!

@pronsigcoordinators845

4 жыл бұрын

But there is no single 'British English'. You're confusing Standard British English (RP) with Britain in general which has an enormous variety of accents - each and every one of them a valid 'British' accent. Lucy propagates the belief that in Britain there is only one way to speak, this is incorrect.

@Canguroenglish

4 жыл бұрын

Oh look! 'Expresso' is so common it's in the dictionary! www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/expresso

@alexmel4788

4 жыл бұрын

@@pronsigcoordinators845 I know you guys have so many accents. We have some as well, as I had already mentioned somewhere in the comments and it was removed. I teach English myself. I live and work abroad. Do I teach our regional dialect to my students? No! Do I tell them that it 'exists'? Yes! Does it mean that I hate the place where I grew up? No! But the way people speak there is different from what "A standard American accent" is. Those 'standard versions' might sound fake, but they are out there for a reason! They are easy for everyone to understand and to learn!

@elvira3919

4 жыл бұрын

@@Canguroenglish The sad thing is the ignorant way of pronouncing words has become so widely used (and not only in English) that they start to register them even in dictionaries as a viable variant. But there are so many people, myself included, who want to learn the right way, the standard one, the one dear Lucy teaches. And no one intends to say that speaking any other accent is bad, inferior or anything like that. It's totally fine! And it's up to the learner of English which variant he/she wishes to choose

@kluck87

4 жыл бұрын

​@@agi1041 Laughing at someone who says "panini" shows more about you than it does about them. During lockdown, a lot of Italians were "smart working". To a NES, this probably wouldn't mean much but it's how they say they're working from home. Italians are very elegant and may wear a "smoking" to a fancy dinner party. Us Brits would call it a tuxedo. In France, a lot of people go to "le camping" on holiday and leave their car in "le parking". Loan words occur in every language and often change over time. Language is a living thing and what may have been deemed unprofessional or unintelligent in the past isn't necessarily considered that way now. Do you also laugh when people use "terrific" to mean something positive?

She wasn't discussing accents! In whose regional accent do they all say "mute point" or "pronounciation"? It's about individual speakers making mistakes. So we shouldn't correct students' grammatical mistakes because that would be discriminating against people with idiosyncratic grammar?

Oh, boy... There are hundreds of other ways of getting followers! Also, I've never seen anyone who intended to extinguish a fire throwing alcohol on it... A piece of advice, take it if you wish: "Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap but by the seeds that you plant." Pay close attention to your seeds. You can hurt more than you possibly imagine... There were other ways... Just think about it... A bit late, but it's worth doing it... Peace.

OK, so no need to improve my terrible accent any more. just improve your listening skill please.

@claudiaantunes9476

4 жыл бұрын

Best comment ever! 👌

@jcstewart1861

3 жыл бұрын

Spot on! Xiexie

@evanzhuno5329

3 жыл бұрын

Quite so!

@JeanPierre-jc1nc

3 жыл бұрын

He he :)) good one :)))

@denisbujoreanu5993

3 жыл бұрын

yep, you'll be taking so fast in such a posh british accent that your hands will go sore from all the gesturing :))

I've watched Lucy's videos and I didn't feel any sort of prejudice at all... people are just too precious these days - offended by everything.

@e3-po405

4 жыл бұрын

Yeap. Bloody "political correctness"...

Christian, thank you very much for the video and for the clue where to find that unfortunate episode of Lucy. (She already deleted it from her channel.) Although I doubt that you will read my message, I will sound my opinion anyway ;) Having watched Lucy's video I think that it's not the situation of accent blaming. Most cases she mentioned are easy fixable for the speaker (except, perhaps, "moot" and "February"). By the way, she admitted that in most cases she was making the same mistakes until she got proved wrong. Let me refresh the list: 1. Et cetera - /et-set-er-a/ (not /eK-set-er-a/) 2. Asterisk - /as-ter-risk/ (not /as-ter-riKS/) 3. Library - /lie-bri/ (not /lie-bri-a-ree/) 4. February - /Feb-brew-ary/ (not /Feb-ju-ree/) 5. Moot - /muut/ (not /mjut/ as in "mute", it's a different word: "moot point", not a "mute point") 6. Mischievous - /mis-chev-ous/ (not /mis-chi-vee-ous/) 7. Pronunciation - /pro-nun-see-a-shun/ (not /pro-noun-see-a-shun/) 8. 've - /uv/ ("have", not "of") 9. Facade - /fas-ard/ (not /fee-cade/, not /fas-aid/) 10. Espresso - /es-press-o/ (not /ex-press-o/) The main idea was that people who mispronounce these words are likely never have given any attention to their spelling. Therefore, such people display the lack of professionalism, to say the least. Again, she was talking about establishment, academic sphere etc. As you see, I'm not a native English speaker, but I have met a lot of professionals who were speaking Russian with variety of heavy accents, but who also was pronouncing business and professional terms correctly. And yes, including that Ex/Espresso thing -- we have the same problem in Russian ;) You said that people should choose only good teachers. Let's take the one who is writing "you should of kept on learning". I value and respect his/her accent and writing habits, I perfectly understand him/her, but I will never let him/her be my academic English teacher. A prejudice? Maybe.

@elvira3919

4 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with you! I watched that video and did enjoy it a lot. It never fails to amaze me why some people tend to see offence or discrimination where there is no any... What is it? A set of their mind, inferiority complex, perception problems, their own deep-set prejudices they are so eagerly accusing others of... ? Unfortunately enough, people sometimes jump into opinions without giving themselves a moment's thought if they really got their interlocuter's idea/intention which leads to misunderstanding and unfair accusations

@denisartemkin8986

4 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree! Lucy's video was NOT about accents! As a native Russian speaker I confirm that we have similar pronunciation issues that have nothing in common with accents. Sorry, but when someone says 'экспрессо' instead of 'эспрессо' it does sound uneducated! Another quite common mistake in Russian is saying 'звОнит' instead of 'звонИт' (wrong stress like in Lucy's example with 'mischievous'). This is often heard from native speakers who have natural Russian accent (actually native speakers make these mistakes more often!). If I were teaching Russian, I definitely wouldn't recommend anyone to pronounce these words in a wrong way. I know a lot of people with strong Armenian, Estonian and other accents who pronounce these and other words correctly, speak good Russian and sound absolutely educated and professional. No one pays attention to an accent but educated speech is what matters. I believe any language has certain rules and a good teacher is meant to let their students know these rules and how the words are pronounced correctly. Again, English has some sounds that are unusual for other languages but mispronouncing may cause misunderstanding like 'ship' and 'sheep', 'lick' and 'leak' etc. Christian, do you think this doesn't matter as well and you don't care if someone says 'sick' instead of 'seek'?

@Matheus_Braz

3 жыл бұрын

IPA is so much better

@loucaswinn5981

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for refreshing the list!

Lucy is a great teacher. I like the way she prepares her lessons. Keep going lucy.

Oh, thank you for hurting another teacher's professional career because you didn't agree with her, you really have opened my eyes. BTW, there is something called prudence, oh and there is another one called inbox, which you could've used to contact Lucy to have a discussion instead of publicly threatening her face. And you believe yourself a better professional...

@willr-e8394

4 жыл бұрын

Well said! His video came across as petty, mean and spiteful.

@playerone6995

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately he is far less successful than her despite being much older and he has used this as an excuse to attract some attention to his channel, possible damage a competitor and also come off as somebody who is morally superior. In my opinion.

@oscardanielariascastaneda6041

4 жыл бұрын

@@playerone6995 Yeah, that's what I thought too.

@SenseiNagisa

4 жыл бұрын

Calling out other teachers is really unprofessional. There’s a great saying ‘What Susie says of Sally says more of Susie than of Sally’

@Guyomar

4 жыл бұрын

@@SenseiNagisa Really? It's unprofessional to call out another teacher if they're making incorrect statements? I don't see how, and don't see why public statements should not be challenged publicly.

For heaven's sake! Lucy speaks modern RP and she teaches modern RP. That's all. Don't get offended

@misterwatching

4 жыл бұрын

Even she accepted her mistake and the damage she's been doing, supporting for a while. It's hard to understand what you are trying to defend. You know what Lucy is doing even better than Lucy herself?

@AnthonyLauder

3 жыл бұрын

@@misterwatching She hasn't being doing any damage. It is all in the delusions of Social Justice Warriors. Her four million subscribers show that millions of people appreciated her lessons. Alas, a handful of people who love to virtue signal ruined it for those students.

None of Lucy’s 10 examples were about accents. She was even working on collab videos comparing US-UK-AUS vocabulary and pronounciations. However, asterisk should not sound like asteriks in any part of the world! This video is an intentional twist of facts. Being a hater what you do here is distorting the message of a competitor and manipulate your viewers. This is not only unjust. It is pathetic.

@velhogniag

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, so I unsubscribed from this channel, just as I did with Lucy's, for apologizing and getting into this politically correct thing, which is so idiotic and, even more dangerous, a form of sensorship.

@gaborszabo5561

4 жыл бұрын

velhogniag I guess Lucy had to do this in order to protect her channel. KZread is well known for suspending, demonetizing or even delete channels based on rather opaque pc policies. She dedicated years of hard work building her channel, thus i understand her proactive approach.

@pronsigcoordinators845

4 жыл бұрын

Actually there were two videos which were made and which caused this issue - the other was comparing a Northern English accent and an RP accent. That was the one which got so much negative attention initially. She removed it, but I believe she edited it and has put it back on her KZread channel now. It was very troubling. This isn't about being a hater, this is about looking at research and listening to experts in speech and accent, and realising how prejudiced some of her comments sounded. I'm glad she edited it/ took it down. Really, the only thing you can class as manipulative is making followers believe there is only one way to speak English and that everything else is wrong.

@annabel9673

4 жыл бұрын

I guess some people just think that mispronouncing is the same thing as accents. It's the same as suing dictionaries for having "the right" transcriptions. So she is basically blamed for being a good teacher. If you watched Lucy's video about 10 words , would you might writing some of those if you remember them?) Because I'm very anxious not knowing whether I pronounce them correctly or not :)) It drives me crazy a bit.

Thank you. I am one of those people who has been made to feel ashamed because of the way they speak. I'll never forget the HUMILIATION of being told by a Frenchman that I didn't speak my mother tongue 'correctly'. I was born in Scotland, studied English at university and became an English teacher. I moved to France over 30 years ago and started teaching English. During one of my first job interviews, when the interviewer realised I was Scottish, he gave me a pronunciation test. He then pointed out some 'mistakes' I had made, but he employed me anyway!

@nomfihlomutale3329

3 жыл бұрын

Lucy's videos help people avoid feeling like you did, she help us prepare for those interviews. It ended well for you but not for many of us. That's why we need people like Lucy to help us prepare for cruel people out there

Congratulation on clarifying the way that the English industry wants to teache us, but I believe that we should criticize our colleagues in private, not exposing their mistakes. Teachers need to help each other and not blame the wrong things. You are both good teachers and that's what matters to the students.

I don't see the problem, it seems that they want to attract attention to win watched videos, English with Lucy never had any intention of offending someone, but she teaches English with a London accent, and in every country there are difficult accents to understand, I ask you for What are the actors looking to speak with a US accent? Is it because it is the standard of the film industry? If there is a relationship to succeed, you must speak a fluent accent from the United States, the same must happen in London, just as it happens in Latin America, radio and television communicators must change their way of speaking so that they can understand why it does not lower the ratings, so there is intrinsically an accent for a specific activity, a common accent is needed, but it is not social discrimination to an accent, if you want to learn a London accent that young people talk about you will have to follow youtubers from a low-income neighborhood, even that low-class youtuber will have to change his speech to an educated way in order to get a job

@Canguroenglish

4 жыл бұрын

The key is to use the right language in the right setting. That's what a good language learner does.

@mekmekare

4 жыл бұрын

I totally agree, Hugo.

@anaaltamirano5070

4 жыл бұрын

She can teach the accent she want that's not a problem but saying you would sound more professional, intelligent and educated by using her tips, it's inderectly saying you're uneducated or not professional if you don't and that's not true at all. I think Lucy never had the intention to say that, because of that she apologised. she's an intelligent woman and knows when something's wrong and always can regret otherwise she would never have mention all this considering it came from a little or new youtube channel.

@hugolez840

4 жыл бұрын

It seems to me that if you want to speak the language with technicality, there will come a point where the teachers will lose the war and battle, in English it is not universal and it cannot be, each English-speaking country uses its words according to its preference, because it transmits sophistication, intelligence, glamor or other types of adjectives that convey or denote enthusiasm or that it is fashionable to use that word. But languages ​​also have that peculiarity that any regional language has, the uses of the words end up belonging to the speakers, those of us who like footbal know that in the US, Japan and other countries, the king of sports does not say FOOTBAL but SOCCER , it bothers me personally that they say SOCCER but I respect that in these countries they say SOCCER but for me it is FOOTBAL. It is also the case that there are words that you want to impose and that are not to our liking as it happens in the restaurants of 5-star hotels in HISPANOAMERICANA at a rate of coffee they say AMERICANO, when for me it is normal and ordinary coffee, in the Popular restaurant in the city where I was born Guayaquil is sold as Café (coffee), and from that derive a number of cases in HISPANOAMERICA to the POP CORN in Mexico they call it PALOMITA DE MAÍZ, in Ecuador we say CANGUIL, in other parts of HISPANOAMERICA they say COTUFA, etc. they all mean the same, to BANANA in Ecuador we call it GUINEO, in other countries they call it CAMBUR, in other countries they call it PLÁTANO, etc. To the country where you go you will have to use their idioms and their words, each country has its own culture and customs, and the use of its words will be mandatory to be able to communicate in that country, and each word can transmit rudeness when speaking or not and that's necessary to know. To those of us who have seen the videos of LUCY we know that she teaches and explains English with the accent of a part of London, and she made videos where she compared the accents of other regions of the UK, and if she taught words that are used in London, I do not think it is necessary to mention where they are not used, for example: except in the USA, Ireland, etc. because the video would be long. Peace and love

@ben_dornie

4 жыл бұрын

Hugo, there isn't a single London accent! As a large city, London has many accents. One of the best known, which is specific to people born in a specific part of London is the Cockney accent, which is very far removed from how Lucy speaks. Neither Lucy's nor a Cockney accent are wrong, they're just different and that kind of difference is something to be celebrated and not suppressed.

Political correctness dictatorship!! As peruvian my accent is awful, despite that, if some one teaches how I would improve my accent I will appreciate it. Some silly over sensitive people will fell offended. Not me. As the same way I will teach or advise how to not sound funny or "ridiculous" at the monent to speak spanish

@machineheads

4 жыл бұрын

You missed the point.. the video from Lucy unintentionally conveyed a message as accent decides intelligence and professionalism. She realised and deleted the video aswell.

@mekmekare

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, Anibal. Some said "Lucy unintentionally conveyed", this is the easiest way to judge people the way one wants to. They do not take what the person has said or done, they create a strawman argument.

@machineheads

4 жыл бұрын

@@mekmekare if the argument has no value why should Lucy delete the videos and send an apology. Being said that she is running the channel for so much years, she would have faced lot of criticism. she haven't deleted or sent apology till this point for some other criticism, so how this accusation differ from rest ? Think about it. She could be easily booked for spreading accent ( racial) supremacy content for saying other accents looks unprofessional , uneducated and stupid comparing to Brits. You could argue that her intention is right. Nobody is questing that.. but the way it was expressed offended people by some means. I'm not a hater , I follow her channel. But if she makes a mistake it's ok to highlight to her rather becoming a fanbase and go blind.

@mekmekare

4 жыл бұрын

@@machineheads Not apologized till this point, because it's current year and if you teach "espresso" is not pronounced "expresso", the ravenous internet witch hunt comes for you accusing accent (racial ???) supremacy. Her apologizing proves that she is polite and that she cares, what is exactly the opposite of what people who complained had taken her for. Only now criticism has reached such a ridiculous point that you have to delete your work and apologize to appease and get some peace. If a doctor has to perform an exam, but does not know the standard procedure, they will not look professional. If you work in a job where speaking is relevant, and you don't know the standard pronunciation, you will not sound professional. Lucy taught her standard pronunciation. But then the mob claimed there are "many standards" that should be respected. Right.. then why Lucy's was not respected? I appreciate your taking the time to politely reply to my comment, so I wanted to leave an answer. I am not engaging into a debate, though. So if you reply again, please don't take me for rude but I'm not keeping a thread.

This isn't just the best channel for learning English, but the best for learning about life. Great job as usual, mate.

@FelipeCaparelli

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

@filigoncalves9176

4 жыл бұрын

Tambem acho.

@filigoncalves9176

4 жыл бұрын

Tambem acho

Also if we are talking about professionalism, I think a buttoned-up, ironed shirt would be advisable.

This political correctness at all costs is becoming toxic. Your video is misguided. Learners of English need a standard pronunciation to imitate. Demanding they understand every accent in the English speaking world is confusing, cruel and culturally biased: learners of English must make the effort of understanding even the most remote native speaker's accent and native speakers can't make the effort of trying to speak in a standardised way? By the way, it is only you English-natives that feel this problem exist. Every other language that is widely taught, is taught with a standardised accent because natives are rational enough to understand that foreign learners can't be expected to master each and every existing accent.

@vz6365

3 жыл бұрын

So terribly true!

@user-bo7nc9vc3y

3 жыл бұрын

The first sentence of this text touched me to the very core. Speaking out on such controversial topics is highly important, and I want to thank you for doing that! Totally agree with everything you’ve said, of course.

@vicvic553

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree with you!

@manueldonoso7293

3 жыл бұрын

This Canguru guy is ridiculous. He should dedicate himself to teach every accent instead of whining.

@denisbujoreanu5993

3 жыл бұрын

@SomeoneYDK 餘實恩 she could have definitely used a different set of words to express what she meant. clearly "uneducated", "unprofessional" and "unintelligent" aren't the wisest choices but she's a human being after all, prone to mistakes. now she's done it, realized it, "oops"d up about it, apologized and that should be the end of it. let's not make her a politician and crucify her for being human. she's trying to help and her videos ARE helpful.

Could this be done privately? I think it wasn't THAT nice to publicly mention someone who was not satisfied by you even what he/she has done could be considered as a sort of what you said. You yourself said it was not a personal attack and you don't even know her personally but obviously it was! Is it Really a good way that for the sake of TEACHER to make some students or someone ashamed publicly and by this one was GLOBALLY! I really appreciate what you concerned about and the point you emphasized on but seriously? Could there be another peaceful way to deal with it? You were playing with people's emotion and you were building it up as RAGE and it ends up as Social sanction at last.

@kotare86

4 жыл бұрын

"Please be kind" 8:58, I don't think the kindest way is to make a public video about Lucy. You could have simply sent her an email with your views.

@jatumet

3 жыл бұрын

@@kotare86 that's absolutely right!

@michellekatarina17

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you. I said the same. When someone has a problem with other, should be contacted directly and doing this huge mess. I am quite sure lost of non-native speakers understood Lucy's intention.

@Noor_0708

3 жыл бұрын

Lucy uploaded a vdo about this...actually he contacted her personally but she was unable to respond to him, since she doesn't have a personal email(she has a manager) So, after not being responded ...i think he decided to post a vdo about this

I watch Lucy, I have been for a while. I'm french Canadian and my partner is Belarusian. We speak to each other in english, and none of us has a native accent. This, however, does not mean that we cannot use the proper pronunciation. We correct eachother all the time. Does our accent change ? No. But our conversations flow better and are more easily understood by people around us. Pronunciation does not equal accent. I couldn't pronounce "variety" for a while and people would not understand when I invited them to variety show, for example. I'm glad my boyfriend showed me the proper pronunciation. There is no shame in that. Lucy never shamed different accents. She even, in many videos, takes the time to say that everyone's unique accent is good. This video and those comments saying she is discriminating definitely shows a lack of knowledge about her content. She herself says she has been mocked as a kid for her "posh" accent. You think she would go around mocking other after that ?

@Canguroenglish

4 жыл бұрын

Well then you'll have to ask Lucy why she apologised. I never asked her to.

@roxanneforget

4 жыл бұрын

@@Canguroenglish ​ Passive-aggressiveness doesn't seem to me as a great way to reply to someone who shared a story about how she ACTUALLY lives through pronunciation problems... the same people you supposedly defend in your videos. Obviously, you made her feel like she did something wrong, and now the video I saved to go back to when I'm having trouble with pronunciation is gone. It is counterproductive, and as teachers it would be better if you were to help each others help us. Did you talk to her in private about what you thought was problematic before making a negative video about her ? Feels like this is more about getting attention than actually helping people. If this situation offends you and you think the community is that problematic, why direct it straight to her ?

@Canguroenglish

4 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry if I seemed passive-aggressive. I'm trying to reply to a lot of comments.

@roxanneforget

4 жыл бұрын

@@Canguroenglish Got it, thank you for replying. I am not at all trying to start a fight and I am glad you came back nicely.

@AliceMuitofeliz_01

2 жыл бұрын

@@roxanneforget these online people are really jealous of her..her channel is growing so fast even though she's not with high qualifications.

I would like to give you my point of view as a Student of English and as an admirer of the English language. I have watched Lucy's videos and I don't see any problem with her lessons at all. She has never critised any "Accent" as such, but good pronuntiation according to a Standard Contemporary British way which is the English she speaks. Any language is a "Social Convention" that means that the only way to really communicate to be understood is by pronouncing the words as they should be, that gives the learner intelligibility when they speak in English. The main problem I struggled with when learning English was precisely pronuntiation. One thing is "Accent" and another one "Bad English", Let's face it and say it: All languages have different "Accents" in different regions and we all can recognise in our mother tongue languages who speaks pronouncing the words clearly and who doesn't because they don't know their own mother tongue language, there IS a diference between "Accent" and a "Lack of Knowledge of it". It happens in all languages. It is obvious that her intention is to give the English Learners the most Standard Sounds within a "Frame or Guidance" which is a Standard Pronuntiation, which in my view as a Student of it is the RIGHT thing to do. As an English Learner, I would never ever pay an English Teacher to learn to talk saying "innit" or expresions such as " E - O - INNI" meaning " IT IS HOT ISN'T IT", or Glottal English, Estuary English, those are too regional. I will be delighted putting my money with those teachers who are able to teach me precisely that Modern Contemporary Standard English whether it is American English or Australian English or South African English, or maybe a Lovely Scottish Accent I don't mind! But never ever in a million years I would pay to learn "inni" or Be''er meaning "Better" or any other strange way of talking that obviously when abroad is NOT going to help me to communicate, because that way of talking has NOTHING to do with "Accent", but with a rupture of that "Social Convention in other places of the world" and is NOT going to help me at all. Now, IF that were the way most people talk in the world let's say a 70, 80 or 90%, then that way of talking would become the Standard English, making it worth it to learn, because it will Become The New Social Convention for International English, but it is NOT! English Students who want to Learn the Language to improve their lives, have better jobs abroad and other opportunities will struggle by learning "inni" or "Jafakecan" English, mainly when their muscles and tongues are not fully trained to produce English Sounds and they will mix them with the sound of their mother tongue language making it more unintelligible. A Frame or Guidance is Essential when learning any Language and in English those Frames, Reference or Guidance are: General American or "GA" or Received Pronuntiation or "RP" or any other Variant that shows what the Social Convention states as the way to pronounce any word. I can see that many Native Speakers are feeling "Affected" by this situation because they may have broad "accents" well they shouldn't be affected, because they belong to a region and they have their Identity and the ability to change their accent if they are abroad, these lessons are designed for Students of English NOT for Native Speakers! English is a beautiful language and a tool that when it is used properly it can help millions of people who want to speak it properly inni? :-)

You're making this sound so much more overly dramatic than it really is. You're making it out to be such a bigger problem than it really is and taking what she said out of context to the absolute extreme and challenging her competence because she's younger and impressionable. Not to mention calling someone a "symptom of a sick industry", like you hold some higher moral ground over her and other young people attempting to teach the English standard. How do you think she'll feel about hearing that? Or do you not care about her feelings? Gee, I mean, if you were learning German, for example, one would think that you'd probably want to learn how to pronounce the language correctly; or would you not, sir? You're a hypocrite and a bully and you don't even realize it.

@playerone6995

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately he is far less successful than her despite being much older and he has used this as an excuse to attract some attention to his channel, possible damage a competitor and also come off as somebody who is morally superior. In my opinion.

@monikashree6219

4 жыл бұрын

Well said! We have to voice out such people so that the next time good teachers like Lucy don't get undeserving blames.

@alexanderkaradjov22

4 жыл бұрын

Check out her Apology video. She does not take offense and acknowledges the issue because she is mature enough to deal with criticism unlike her fanboys.

It makes me remember a situation that a lived in USA. To take a long story short, a man has questioned about my inteligence, just because i had accent(that was 3 years ago). Then i told him:listen, i may speak with accent, but i don't think with accent. He didn't know i am a lawyer in Brazil. He judged me because i was working as a waiter.

@asryn96

4 жыл бұрын

How idiots they were.

@Claudia-pn6xd

4 жыл бұрын

"I don't THINK with an accent" love it! Excellent response!

@ThiagoOliveira-sx5ed

4 жыл бұрын

Isso aí representou! It gives me much more confidence. Thank you.

@rosier6231

4 жыл бұрын

So, do you think that a lawyer is more intelligent than a waiter? Does your profession a certificate of your intelligence?

@diogodallorto1

4 жыл бұрын

The world think this.

Well said. Language learning is about communication, and should not be about acceptance into a social club. I'm an English teacher in Beijing, and I'm appalled by the comments I hear from other English teachers about accent. I agree with your very astute statement--accent is a form of identity. Many of my high-end students (famous actors, btw) want to keep a Chinese identity in their accent, which I encourage. Great video. I'll be sharing it.

You have to apologize to Lucy, Sir. You've made her remove that recent video and then apologize to those whom she might've offended. Some people may have the same opinion as you, BUT others especially learners who've been learning from her are on her side: they do want to know how to correctly pronounce words like 'mischievous', 'facade', etc. After all, the video teaches how to pronounce words according to well-established dictionaries, NOT how to do English accents correctly!

4 жыл бұрын

The point here is judging accent as incorrect, *not* proper pronunciation. Watch the video again as many times you need until you understand it.

@idraote

4 жыл бұрын

@ it is you who don't understand that English with Lucy is aimed at learners of English. Learners of English need a standard pronunciation. And common sense should tell everyone that it is wrong to speak with your strong twang if you're in the company of people who are from different areas. Besides, Lucy never attacked the use of different accents. It is this man that is making a fuss about nothing at all.

@annabel9673

4 жыл бұрын

would it be ok to ask you what happened? I haven't watched last Lucy's video (as I understood it was something about pronunciation of professional terms, but she deleted the video) and now she is apologizing for god knows what. and those debates in comments just confuse me. people are talking about intelligence and pronouncing a word apple. I'm stumped. I mean I don't fully get what exactly she said to make this guy explode?

@annabel9673

4 жыл бұрын

@@idraote would it be ok to ask you what happened? I haven't watched last Lucy's video (as I understood it was something about pronunciation of professional terms, but she deleted the video) and now she is apologizing for god knows what. and those debates in comments just confuse me. people are talking about intelligence and pronouncing a word apple. I'm stumped. I mean I don't fully get what exactly she said to make this guy explode?

@idraote

4 жыл бұрын

@@annabel9673 I haven't seen the video, but it was about ten words. She must have said something along the lines of: "if you mispronounce these words in a work setting, you will sound unprofessional and uneducated". She didn't say anything about regional accents.

Lucy teaches RP English - the one most of foreigners learn and speak. And there is one correct way to speak RP. Foreigners are aware of the accents and obviously if they want to learn an accent different from RP, they should find a different teacher - the one who speaks the accent. It's mixing accents in your speech what seems unintelligent.

My perception of the criticised video was slightly different. From my perspective it is only an advice to refine our language, getting rid of the wrongly pronounced words and not to humiliate anyone who makes such mistakes. Even Lucy herself admits her former language deficiencies.

Accent is not pronunciation man! Please! I teach English and I totally agree with her.

@user-fg4bj4xn7y

4 жыл бұрын

Totally agree!!!

@mekmekare

4 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more!

@anaaltamirano5070

4 жыл бұрын

It is since every accent has his own pronunciation. We all know Lucy teach RP and I truly think she did not have the intention to say those things. I think she should've mentioned it tho.

I get your point and I've heard stories of people being discriminated because of their accent. But I think that doesn't have to do anything with lucy. She's teaching non native speakers of English how to correctly pronounce the words. It's not a Chanel for Irish or American people to change their accent but a Chanel for non English speakers to learn pronunciation of the language they are willing to learn. Moreover, if you truly believe that she wants to help, why did you upload this on KZread? You could have texted her personally and reminded her about the mistake you thought she was making. You didn't have to criticize her in front of the whole world. I find that this is somehow mean

@playerone6995

4 жыл бұрын

I had never heard of this guy before but after watching this video he seems like an arrogant and hurtful person, more of a bully than anything else.

@user-bp6zq4ot8y

4 жыл бұрын

100 %

@paulpots9465

4 жыл бұрын

Unpleasant dude hypes.

@e3-po405

4 жыл бұрын

Actually what I find really shocking is not Christian's video (which shows his opinion and he is of course free to say it in a video the same way that people are free to like or dislike it) but Lucy's apology. As I commented on her channel: if you don't like her videos just don't watch them!

@rd57f

4 жыл бұрын

@@playerone6995 That's not true. He is saying something that a lot of linguists have been discussing for years. This is a real problem within the ELT industry; it's a real issue that needs to be adressed. He is not attacking Lucy; he is just voicing his opinion, which is the opinion of many language teachers. If you want to improve your pronunciation, that's fine. But if you speak with an accent, you are not going to come across as unprofessional. Albert Einstein, who was German, had an accent. A lot of brilliant Asian and Latin American scientists and engineers speak with an accent too, and that's fine. Let's stop acting like accents are a bad thing or something to be ashamed of. There's not such a thing as a better accent from a linguistic point of view, and even if you pronounce some words oddly or differently because English is not your first language, that doesn't mean you are somewhat inferior or less professional; that is just ridiculous.

I guess this video could be used as an example for a discussion way more serious - unethical behavior in the ELT industry.

Be kind! Sounds great. Then be kind to other teachers. Especially when they make mistakes. The teachers should be responsible, of course. Support them, talk to them privately, correct politely if it is really necessary. Be kind!

@PabloGuillermonevergiveup

4 жыл бұрын

I like this kind of comments :) Sometimes we say words and don't understand their real meaning, so someone else has to teach us what they really mean. Btw, I'm an English learner, sorry if I made a mistake writing this haha

@rd57f

4 жыл бұрын

He was not unkind. He was just voicing his opinion. He is not attacking Lucy; he is talking about a real problem within the ELT industry, which is something that a lot of linguists and language teachers have been discussing for years. He was not disrespectful to Lucy in any way, so... please, stop acting like he was. Watch the video again! And yes, some of Lucy's videos are actually very questionable, and that's why other teachers have critized her before. And those other teachers were definitely more direct. Again, he was not being unkind or disrespectful; he was just expressing his opinion... That's all. Let's not make a big deal out of it.

@praktyknlp

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. Be kind, the man says. Walk the talk, I say. Isn't this a wonderful American saying? ;)

@praktyknlp

4 жыл бұрын

@@rd57f He is voicing many opinions: about the industry, other teachers, and most definitely about Lucy's teaching. The latter based on a few words in one video. Her videos are wonderful teaching and learning material and to select just one video and brandish her name publicly is most certainly unkind. And dare I use the word, unprofessional.

@rd57f

4 жыл бұрын

@@praktyknlp Well, in my opinion, he wasn't unkind at all. He is just tired of this trend of associating RP with intelligence and class. If you are a teacher and have a lot of followers, you must be extra careful with your words. If I say something very questionable to my students, even if I say it only once, and someone calls me out on that, why should I feel ofended? That person doen't have to inbox me; they can just express their opinion as long as they don't insult me or say something about me that's not true. I have to say, as a Spanish teacher, that I see in the Spanish teaching community, that same type of prejudice that Christian talked about in his video, and I think his concern is genuine. To me, the idea that only one way of speaking is right and classy and the idea that one accent is better than the others is ludicrous. Again, I personally don't think Christian attacked Lucy; it seems to me that he just doesn't like it when teachers that are followed by a lot of people help spread misconceptions about language... That's all. Christian decided to address that, and there's nothing unprofessional about it. And hey, the good thing is that Christian and Lucy talked about the whole thing afterwards in a video and the outcome was actually pretty good. There was a disagreement... Christian expressed his opinion. He and Lucy had a very interesting conversation about it and learned a few things from each other, and now they both had moved on. I just don't see the point of trying to make him feel bad for speaking his mind. He didn't say anything offensive.

Now I will continue my life thinking that I'm mentally discriminating the people that order "knotchi" and "expresso" in the Italian restaurant. And I'm rightfully discriminating them.

He is correct to point out that it isn‘t okay to connect a wrong pronunciation etc. with intelligence, professionalism and so on. But than he blew it out of proportion. It’s a fact that in any language a person who speaks its native language with a clear pronunciation and without grammatical errors is viewed as more refined. But it’s a whole other ballpark when a language is just the second language. So in my opinion he should have just pointed it out to her, that her wording was unfortunately and probably a little thoughtlessly chosen and be done with it. But than he wouldn’t get the attention and clicks he now generates ...

Totally agree with what you said! I am from Malaysia. Once in Taiwan, my English language teacher job application was rejected just because I don’t look like western people. And that was told baldly into my face by the school representative. Even though I have my BA degree in TESOL. My friend from Poland who was doing his degree in Computer Science got an English teaching job at that school, just because he looks like a native-speakers.

The problem is, where do you draw the line between accent and mispronunciation. I don't see a problem in what Lucy did. If a teacher sees that a student is mispronouncing something they correct them instead of saying oh it's just an accent. Also she is just stating the facts, what's the point of giving us info on how difficult it is to get a job if you have a 'hard to understand' accent. If you really want that job there's no point doing the same thing. Lucy is actually helping people like this as she is preparing them for what they may hear in the future. There is no problem in that.

“My fair lady” (or Pygmalion) is about complaining on pronunciation and judging for the way people speak but I’ve never seen protests in front of theatres...I’m not from Uk but I’ve never felt offended by this kind of video. I just think sometimes people need to face the facts that they do mistakes and they should accept that and try to be better in what they prefer.

I’m totally with you on the accent and native obsession. I’m a teacher and non-native English speaker and I know that I would not be the first option for a lot of companies and your videos have inspired me to continue teaching in spite of that. Now, back to Lucy’s video, I don’t think she made a mistake. She did not criticize any accent at all, she just advised to correct common errors in pronunciation which is the point of teaching English. The same thing happens in Spanish , there are common mistakes and they are even categorized and are usually corrected at school as part of standard education, correcting them is not seen as offensive , your teachers should correct you and help you to express in the best way possible, that’s their job. Thinking that correcting errors is discriminating seems out of context to me. I watched Lucy’s video and I learned a lot from it and I realized my mistakes , did I feel offended by it? Not at all! She pointed on a mistake and that I can fix! I can’t change the place where I was born but Lucy’s lessons can definitely help to change and improve the way I speak .

@bheberlynpansoy6545

3 жыл бұрын

Caguro: If you are really concern to Lucy's mistake , you must correct her privately not in public otherwise you just do it for your own benefits to earn more viewers.

Thanks for calling this out. I'm from the US and I upload teaching English videos online, and 99.9% of the negative comments I get are from British people screaming at me that I don't know how to speak English or that American English isn't English, etc. Thankfully, it's only about 1% of the comments I get, but it really gives me a terrible impression of British people in general...I think your message of "be kind" is key in everything. Thanks!

Hello from Russia) Don`t you think that such a democratic view risks making things too democratic? What if every Tom, Dick and Harry some day start pronouncing all words just as they like? Of course, your view is not so superficial, but many learners might get your point this way and that will be not only their fault. Peace!

@mekmekare

4 жыл бұрын

That is really a good point. If languages get that democratic, we will not have a language, but many dialects, and people will only understand others who speak the same dialect, ending up by creating smaller groups - the opposite of communication!

@elvira3919

4 жыл бұрын

@@MnAngrydad So true!!!

@fulippuannaghiti1965

4 жыл бұрын

Do you really think that a native English speaker would feel an inferiority complex if they mispronounced Russian or Spanish words ? They will burst out laughing. Well let me tell you something, a non native English speaker will feel ashamed. Why? Because the British empire really never ended. I'm Italian and my people ( especially the " young globalized" ones) consider those who don't speak English ignorant. English is neither the official spoken language of anything, nor the most spoken language by native speakers, yet, the average anglophone will patronise whoever doesn't speak English perfectly, worse if you don't speak English at all, it's an innate sense of superiority which they inherited by their ancestors. What a world would be if we started learning Esperanto, and what a world would be to see a native English speaker learning a second language.

@elvira3919

4 жыл бұрын

@@fulippuannaghiti1965 Agree! If a native English speaker started learning a second/foreign language, they would be less snobbish ))) As for the inferiority complex, I mean those who don't speak the RP and therefore feel discriminated. Just my guess

I stopped watching Lucy long long time ago when I realised that for me she became more a celebrity than a teacher.

@pieceofthepeace3720

4 жыл бұрын

Me too

@marthamuterperel123

4 жыл бұрын

Me too

@elenan.2809

4 жыл бұрын

Me too

@user-pp3qz4he7l

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha true! Insta girl!

@slavicatomson7883

4 жыл бұрын

Me too🤣

Let’s change the spelling of “pronunciation” to “pronounciation” so you can pronounce the wrong vowels without being told you’re wrong. What’s wrong with telling people it’s “nun” not “noun” in “pronunciation”. Wow. So how do I teach English to my students tomorrow? Let’s just give up learning English since you can’t correct students. What a ridiculous video.

@SaludInformada

4 жыл бұрын

So did you study at the university? are you a qualified English teacher? the point here is not about correcting or not students, it's about linking education, professionalism and intelligence to pronunciation. There are plenty of studies talking about what needs to be focused on classrooms to improve the intelligibility of speech, but you cannot use prejudices. You can say, your pronunciation is not correct based on IPA Charts. You cannot say if you want to sound more professional, use a British accent. BTW, the accents in Britain vary a LOT just traveling from one town to another.

@ameliajordan9925

4 жыл бұрын

then pronounce island , phone and pneumonia as the vowels fit

@blueice011

4 жыл бұрын

@@SaludInformada Speaking poorly won't make you sound intelligent neither. We can do this 'snowflaking in June' thing until cows come home, the fact is - the effort you put into something - equals results. Ability to adopt and to reproduce knowledge - equals intelligence. If you want to sound well educated and intelligent (since well educated people usually are not stupid) - you need to master the language properly and to adopt correct pronunciation and accent that is adopted as a norm in all relevant institutions with reputation and prestige and is related to well educated upper echelons of society. It's not mandatory. But is a legitimate option. Stop bullying people into self censorship and limiting personal freedoms. On her social platform, she can express her views freely.

@SaludInformada

4 жыл бұрын

@@blueice011 so based on your logic Stephen Hawking was not intelligent as he wasn't able to reproduce knowledge himself.. he used speech technology to speak... FAIL!!!! -- you are talking about your beliefs as facts but haven't provided any study to back that up. Please show me where your facts are coming from...

@jitenderagarwal7738

3 жыл бұрын

@@SaludInformada having good pronunciation is like dressing up sophisticated for an interview. I suppose you wear pyjamas or boxers to the interviews with a t-shirt saying "don't judge my pronunciation and clothing, I'm not an idiot just hire me!!". You might need some aloe vera now.

You've completely missed the point.

Sorry but you are mixing up pronunciation and accent. I do appreciate if a teacher corrects me if I mispronounce words. This is a storm in a tea cup. Besides to make your point you shouldnt have criticized just one specific person ( Lucy). Dont say this isnt a personal attack. It is!

Best channel to learn English, no doubt! I used to watch videos like "How to speak like natives" and I can say that was one of my biggest mistakes in my language learning process. Like you mentioned before the accent is part of our identity, and I do not know why people are so obsessed to speak like natives. Your videos are really helpful and since I have been watching your videos I am more confident to speak English!

@MateusvTuil

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed, this channel makes me feel so much comfortable and confident with my English studies. It's the best one, by all means

@adamclark1972uk

4 жыл бұрын

was one of my biggest mistakeS

@jimmymesa

4 жыл бұрын

But many accents truly sound bad. People don't like to hear awfully pronounced English. It may be impossible to speak like a native, but that shouldn't be used as an excuse for not trying to improve pronunciation.

@2010Tigresa

4 жыл бұрын

I know why people is obsessed with the pronunciation. It's because English "teachers" like Lucy tell you that if you mispronounce the language you're uneducated, unintelligent, etc. That's it!

@machineheads

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimmymesa in that case what is needed is neutral accent, not Brit accent. It's simple that you try to avoid your mother tongue influence in English.

I like watching lucy's channel. And I like the way how she presents her video. She is the best English teacher ever.

@bdbai3510

4 жыл бұрын

Me 2

@Achilles94627

4 жыл бұрын

@@bdbai3510 No, you're not the best English teacher ever.

@rda1693

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@alexandriettaavarie1179

4 жыл бұрын

@@Achilles94627 lol. I think he/she meant something else

@Achilles94627

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexandriettaavarie1179 I know...

Thanks Christian. I completely agree. Thanks for your videos, for your words, for your passion to teach, for your positivity.

I'm sorry, when in Lucy's videos there was any hint of accent discrimination? Could someone please point it out for me? All I ever remember is she talking about pronunciation mistakes...

Christian. I understand that your concern with the matter has been poorly handled. It was not correct to expose Lucy in this way. It was not necessary to do this. You should handle the matter without using her name and image. I recognize as important your concern with the teaching of the English language and the imposition of normative and exclusive forms promoted by the language teaching industry. In any case, there are students of the English language who wish to learn commercial ways to use the English language and Lucy tried to meet this demand and did so with the best of intentions. The correct thing now is to retract and seek to repair the damage done to Lucy and her followers in the best possible way possible. I wish your channel success.

I am proud of my American accent. My ancestors worked hard to establish their own culture and spin on English. No one can cause me to be embarrassed by it.

Oh! Thanks a lot! I'm so impressed by your video and inspired to keep on learning and teaching English.

I agree that some stuff about intellect were said. but that was minor and here it ends her content is quite genuine, helpful and overall honest. the fact she used those bold words shows she's not trying to hide from anything and from what I remember she clearly MADE SURE to repeat the fact that British English Isn't the only English around. then how's that for arrogance?

As a person who does not miss any of Lucy's video, I did see your video and it was really impressed that you were very angry with Lucy, even though you mentioned that you did not personally attack her, but I had a feeling that it was very personal. You know very well that Lucy didn't really mean to hurt or discriminate against anyone because of his accent, but as a teacher who teaches language in this case English, the way you pronounce the words has a very important meaning. Therefore Lucy's whole intention was to teach only how to express the words and not to personally criticize anyone. In my opinion you are taking the opportunity to hurt a person who has not done any crime and it is a great shame that you do it this way.

I do not know about her, but in general I agree with what you said 100%. im not a native speaker but I see so many people who think like that! So many great experienced teachers dont get a chance to teach just because they prefer natives who are not necessarily qualified. Liked this video!

I'm a non-native speaker of English from Japan. When I watched the video by Lucy, I didn't really agree with the idea that you would sound unprofessional if you couldn't pronounce some words she picked up 'correctly' with RP accent. I wasn't really offended because I was quite aware that she was just trying to deliver good information. However, I always think there're two problems in the industry. One is that some teachers tend to threaten students slightly by saying 'if you don't know this or that, people would think you're stupid.' The information about registers, that is, how native speakers tend to feel about specific words or expressions, is essential because it would be safer to avoid too inappropriate ones, but the idea that you would be shamed if your knowledge isn't good enough would just be discouraging in the long term. I love studying something new, so I always feel it's completely unreasonable to be tortured when you study languages! Another problem is that some teachers treat English as if there were only two kinds of English in the world - 'American or British English'. It not only ignores the fact there's a huge variety of English, but also tends to make learners less confident when they listen to English with different accents that are new to them. I just hope more and more people will enjoy studying something new a lot and help each other in better ways!

I don't see a problem if she popularises good English accent. I like Lucy's English. And maybe I am uneducated in terms of British English. I can't be educated in everything. She is ok.

I spent four years of learning English at secondary school in communist Czechoslovakia with only Czech teachers and with virtually no possible contact with the English-speaking world. When the Berlin Wall came down and we were free to travel abroad I realized one thing: I didn’t understand English and nobody could understand me. I basically had to start again from scratch and it was primarily thanks to native English speakers that I learnt intelligible English. I fear this attack on the “sick ELT industry” (singling out Lucy) is just jumping on the bandwagon of the current protests. If it is all about “identity” now then I am afraid that intelligibility is in danger of being thrown out of the window.

When I subscribed to your channel I was to get used to language, I didn't consume that much English content back then. For many years I thought about taking a major in English when the time would come, but for many reasons I left that dream behind. One of them was the fact that didn't have a "PERFECT" English or money to do a course. To my surprise this year I've been accepted at the University (that I was already taking another course that I didn't really enjoy) as an English undergraduate student. It is so frustrating to see that native speakers are better seen by the market because they know how to sound "natural", regardless of their educational background. Thank you so much for contributing with your content. Channels like yours are very thought-provoking.

What if this passionate speech was delivered in phonetically 'bad English'? Would it have the same impact?

I speak several languages. In every language, speaking with the 'pan' or standard accent of the country gives you always more credibility in the business world. It is the reality and it is useful that people tell you that. I am a girl from the countryside and very modest origin. I am happy that I learned (it is possible) to speak with a more neutral accent (I speak Dutch and French).

Thank you sooooo much for your content, your knowledge, your empathy and everything else!! I am an English teacher in Brazil...and I fight constantly against people and teachers who want to put English, accents and people into one specific and "perfect" (in some people's or communities/industries eyes) box. Again: THANK YOU.

@Ivanlsardi

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you!!!! how i can comunicate with you?

I viewed another one of her videos where she responded to the trolls. The event took a toll on her nerves. Dreadful what happened. She is sweet. Would never try to harm anyone.

I love watching English with Lucy channel, but your video supports me who has bad accent and pronunciation. Thank you!

So you mean to say if I, as a student, pronounce the word "pear" as peer (as in near) and my teacher corrects it to pear (as in bear) the teacher is making fun of my intelligence? Wow! I'm enlightened. 👏👏👏 (slow sarcastic claps)

@Canguroenglish

4 жыл бұрын

There are some UK dialects that pronounce that word 'peer'. Are you calling them stupid?

@foodiepanda2432

4 жыл бұрын

Wow. You're really good at assuming things. The question is, whether the teacher is doing his/her job well, not "me" calling anyone stupid. This completely explains why you made a video and drag someone into dirt where you could've texted her privately and correct her "wrongdoings" in a humble way. But you clearly blowed the whole thing out of proportion by name-calling a person in your video. People should learn to respect others first. Thank you for stopping by.

@yohanstsegeyohans732

3 жыл бұрын

@@foodiepanda2432 Apparently he did but you can't trust anyone on the internet, Personally I believe he did but not the extent that he should make this video

@foodiepanda2432

3 жыл бұрын

@@yohanstsegeyohans732 his actions clearly show his lack of humility

I watched the video you mentioned. In my opinion you exaggerate the issue. With all my respect to you I suppose you misconstrued Lucie's words and moreover her intention. Lucy is a great teacher as well as you are. I'am learning English by my own. For my lessons I use materials on KZread of various teachers. I consider Lucie's videos as one of the most helpfull for students. Needless to say that by yours videos I just admire. I have a lot to work about mine English and I feel I have to stand up for Lucy and to say that I didn't notice nothing offensive to me in her video. Please continue create your videos and let Lucy make hers.

I am an English teacher and my native language is Portuguese. In many occasions my colleagues and I have suffered prejudice from our accents, where we come from, and I have also experienced prejudice from students because I haven't been abroad (despite being considered proficient by Cambridge English). To hear a native speaker sharing thoughts like you did in this video serves as comfort and a sign that there is hope for the future in our industry. Thank you so much

Thank you Christian. Your point of view about English pronunciation really encourages me. It's challenging to learn new language. And people who decide to do this deserve respect and support.

Christian, I would like to thank you for all that I have been doing for English students, as me. I felt shame of talking in English. Now, after I watched your youtube videos, I have been attending in online video calls to talk in English. Thank you!

Genuinely she just made a mistake, it was not intended. I will love to watch her videos.

@blisseysignorance9213

4 жыл бұрын

Periodt👀

Thank you for the video!!! I think it will be help for many people to feel more comfortable with their accents. I absolutely agree with you, that an accent is a part of our identity and we shouldn't be ashamed of having it🤗

As a learner of English I would want to be taught a standard pronunciation of words. I’m aware that same words can be pronounced differently in different accents, but if teachers don’t stick to one pronunciation in an attempt to please every variant of English that will become a mess. Would you consider a person educated or intelligent if he spoke with grammar mistakes? Then why it’s ok to make mistakes in pronunciation? Lucy spoke about mistakes in pronunciation that aren’t caused by any accent. There is no accent for pronouncing espresso as ekspresso.

I'm glad this got posted on my feed so I can write to you and tell you you're scumming up the internet with politically correct policing. So tiring, aggressive, and offensive. Please stop.

There is simple rule: don't like? don't watch. unsubscribe and press "don't recommend". Nothing more. Everyone does mistakes and make a public flogging is the worst thing to do. Do not dig a hole for another, you will get into it yourself.

@Canguroenglish

4 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry but I care too much to ignore problems in my industry.

@fulippuannaghiti1965

4 жыл бұрын

This woman is not like any other KZreadr with some 20k subscribers; she does get views and she does have an impact on viewers, especially youngsters. He did a good job to point out what was wrong, teaching is always acceptable, patronising is not.

@elvira3919

4 жыл бұрын

@@Canguroenglish It's really praiseworthy that you care so much but you could definitely voice your care in a kinder, more ethical as well as professional and just humane way...

Thanks for being an amazing teacher and an incredible person. Thanks for understanding who a real language teacher is and how is possible for people from around the world speak English enjoying it. Imagine how I feel when you mentioned that people is not accepted because of their accents and hometowns living in an English language contexts... I'm from Colombia South America and I've been an English and Spanish teacher for about 6 years and I love being a teacher at any age. Learning a language is more that just learning phonetics and grammar, is about knowing cultures and understanding that is a whole different form of perceive the world through language.

Thank you so much. No word to express how much I appreciate it.

This world needs more teachers like you, what an awesome person you are!

I think everything depends on interpretation. In my opinion she didn’t say anything about accent in her video but about mispronunciation of these 10 words underlying she herself mispronounced them. Also why are you talking about a little girl not a little boy? Maybe because everyone knows that boys and girls are brought up in a different way?; that a girl must work harder from the beginning? You also mentioned that speaking in a foreign language we must be understood and she does that, she helps to improve spoken British English. And you can’t blame Lucy what employers do, I agree a lousy native speaker shouldn’t get a teaching job, but on the other hand a non-native speaker should be understandable. But what is really hard for me to accept is your statement that most non-native adults won’t speak like a native. I know you quoted somebody’s research, but still I refuse to accept this. It doesn’t spark joy!

@nandolastminute5730

4 жыл бұрын

kate kono ... Don't worry. We will ask Christián to make another video with the "little boy" version for people like you.

@roselane8152

4 жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more, look at the channel of Linguamarina she's Russian and had a strong accent, but she worked a lot to change that and today she can be compared a native. So this is presumably variable, but I don't bother with accents at all.

@mekmekare

4 жыл бұрын

If he's so worried about learner's self esteem, saying non native adults will not likely sound like natives doesn't do much...

As a C1 student of english I have to say that I choose channels of teachers that I can understand without subtitles because I still don't master the listening skill. Although I can totally understand your point of view, Chris, because I'm an argentinian girl living in Spain, my accent is extremely notorious and distintive and I receive comments everyday about that, Spanish is also a worldwide spoken language with so many accents and accent discrimination is very common. But as I said before, until I can understand easily every accent of an English speaker I will continue to choose teachers I can understand, for latins like me your accent, Chris, is so clear I could watch this video without subtitles, I didn't lose concentration and it was very entertaining otherwise I would probably not watch it at all. I want to know more about you as a teacher but not because of your ideas but because you are so clear. Sorry for my unpopular opinion and sorry if I made mistakes in my writing. I'm a student 😊

At school my English teacher was Italian (like most of the language teachers in Italy) speaking English with an Italian accent. She taught me the basics, which means grammar, how to write properly, how to read, etc. Thanks to her people can understand me when I speak. I think at the end this is the most important thing to achieve. In primary school for some time there was also group of women from India, I think this is the reason why I have some kind of "accent", but they weren't even teachers. I am glad I've been taught how to comunicate.

On the contrary: “they seund right whereas they ought to seund left”

You are amazing! I'm Italian, one year ago I was trying to improve my english, thinking to give up my dream to work abroad due to my italian pronunciation, my grammar mistakes and my lacking vocabulary, when I found your videos... I could feel your passion, I saw your incredible teaching skills and I trusted on you, I started to be kind with myself, to not be afraid, to enjoy the learning journey like the union of cultures and I achieved my dream working in Glasgow! You and all your videos inspire me each time!

@AnnaluisaSocher

4 жыл бұрын

Just be kind to yourself, we all need it ☺. So happy for you and your dream come true.👍

@JoEnglish

4 жыл бұрын

Great Well done!! I have a channel teaching Italians - I teach them to embrace their accent - not to worry about it! When I speak Italian I'll always have an English accent and I'm proud of it!!

@helinkhalil8963

4 жыл бұрын

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Well said! Thank you so much for standing for so many not native wonderful English teachers! We need more people like you in the world, even though some people think this is a light matter, it is not because as you said, it promotes prejudice and misinformation. Excellent and well-founded opinion!

Wow man....if you are looking for a pair....Lucy got them. This is ridiculous.