Poz tongs - part one
Poz tongs are a style of V bit bolt tongs. Generally these are lighter weight than conventional tongs. Made from 1/4" x 1" flat stock they are a fairly simple style of blacksmithing tongs to make.
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Hit that like button people!!! Your watching Greatness at work.. :-) Great video John God bless
@cartercustoms4600
5 жыл бұрын
@pieter pretorius You can't beat that! I won a couple stickers from Roy from a live stream. Will be slapping them on my new anvil stand when I get it finished up tomorrow. Just have to borrow a router to inset the stand for the anvil then forge the mounting brackets for it. Be glad to have it done, I'm ready to get back to forging before everyone thinks I switched to carpentry lol.
A good tong to practice with, I just need a dry day.. Thanks Blacksmith.
Adding the metric measurements is a nice touch. Makes it that more convenient for the rest of the world.
@timothymoore7890
5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! A minor critique of your metric measurements - try and use the same multiplier throughout- ie. All meters or all millimeters. "Centimeters are only used by dressmakers"
The MOST impressive thing is that a man with all the tooling in the world takes the time to show us tool poor fellows just starting out how to use simple tools, available to anyone can be used to make something. That is a huge help and why I think this is the best youtube blacksmith channel going. Keep up the great work. I do understand that you have to do some videos for the powerhammer crowd, but truly appreciate these videos for the rest of us. Stay safe.
@techronmattic5876
5 жыл бұрын
good point, a good tradesmen will always keep his tools in excellent condition, a great tradesmen knows if you need a knife a hammer will often do and( for a simple task) that just about anything can be used as a hammer
Thank you so much. I'm in the process of getting over the jitters making my first set of tongs. I'm a newbie and so far I've only made a holdfast that works perfectly.
Ive been looking for this video, thanks for measuring in English as well John Poz tongs look to be one of the types I could really use
Greetings from Estonia! I'm using Your videos as teaching material for my new apprentice. Thank You!
@threeriversforge1997
5 жыл бұрын
That's fantastic!
You've always struck me as a person who values honesty, so I won't lie: I got a little bored with the smaller ornamental work for the countdown to christmas videos. Dont get me wrong, they're great projects, but I'm glad you're back with some tool making videos.
John, your a good mentor.
miked kinder Just hit the subscribe button john. I'm a beginner and I have watched all your videos and can't wait till you post another one. I have made a few tools a hammer and 5 knives I learn a lot from you. Love the last strike that lightly taps the anvil I think I may of got a complex off that one. Anyway thanks again keep up the good work. Mike. Malden mo
Love the camera angle change at 11:30. To see when you adjust the power in your hammer swing was great to watch. Not always easy to tell in the original angle. As always 👍🏼
I just wanted to say, your channel has helped me out a lot! I recommend you to all of the people I know who are interested in this stuff. Your videos may not be as flashy as Alec Steele, but they're a LOT more informative for actually learning things. Thank you for making these videos.
@christophercraft957
5 жыл бұрын
I stopped watching alec steeles' channel when he started being a bladesmith and stretching everything into rediculous numbers of episodes. It was way better back when he did the live show every week with Sam. I don't fault him for wanting to make money. It's just not as good as it once was, imo.
@Zogg1281
5 жыл бұрын
@@christophercraft957 Alec is still making huge multi part episode and has just moved to the State's. I still enjoy watching him, and his new side kick Will, but as with a lot of people I struggle with the lack of tutorials. I have learnt so much from John and some of the other Rocky Mountain Smiths 😊
I love thinking about the how to, and then the making of tongs but its a difficult proces. Doesnt go welll all the time, the steps and thinking of this way, is a new way for me and that opens a new perspective. Thanks. You are one hard hitting and fast hammer swinging Smith. Awesome to see material moving that fast! Even on the face.
I'm not a blacksmith, nor I aspire to be, I just like your videos. You don't shout, you don't do crazy editing with crazy music, you don't do that "smack/kiss" sound between the sentences, you don't do commercials. You provide useful information and do the work, you educate and relax me. Plus you talk in milimetres :D THANK YOU. Greetings from Croatia!
I know it was only a few seconds, but thanks for zooming all the way out sometimes. It's good to see how you swing, stand, hold the material, etc.
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, i try to get a good balance, but don't always think to move the camera
@dingodog5677
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed,👍
Like, Like, Like. Hand made tools are soooo very nice. Purpose made always works very well. Thanks John.
Dang it John!!! Cliffhanger!
Really excited for this series, I've admired that set of tongs you use for a while now and have been hoping you would do a video on how to make some.
I really appreciate that you added the metric measurements! Thank you. Good work, keep on forging. Best wishes from Germany!
I did some very quick research and "Poz's" name was Richard A. Pozniak, a Korean War Airforce Veteran. Was because I came across his obituaries in the interweb as well as his name mentioned on blacksmithing and related forums. By the sound of late Richard's name I'm guessing he was of Polish origin but I'm no expert.
This is great!!!!, I have been trying to figure these tongs out for ages...thanks John
I love you visiting these things. I liked them since I first saw them in your channel
@yllart
5 жыл бұрын
Tongs, I meant tongs, damn autocorrect
I'm glad your doing a video on these tongs. I've been wanting to make a pair. Thanks for the great videos.
Thank you for the video I've always wanted to make a pair of these and now I know how to
@anthonykent7983
5 жыл бұрын
Me too ! Great can't wait for the finished product!
I have been wondering how to make those tongs. Looking forward to part two!
Great video John. I've noticed you using this style of tong for a while now so very useful. Can't wait for part 2
Its nice to see you do it by hand we don't all have a power hammer great video as always
Thanks for this one John! Love your tool making lessons and precise instructions. Been wanting to make a pair of these, wasn't having much luck finding the starting lay out and dimensions. This will be the perfect project to break in the new gas forge my wife got me for Christmas👍. Hope you and your family had a wonderful Christmas!
John, thank you for this great tutorial. It is allways a pleasure to see you moving the hot steel. Just a few days ago while I was looking one of your christmas countdown videos I cought me with the thougt your tongs are looking very handy. Great that you now describe and show the making of it!
Love these tongs, started trying to make some today, bit fiddly but getting there, thanks for sharing this with us.
I've been curious about those tongs since I first saw them in your videos. Never tried making set in the smithy, but I have spent quite a bit of time pondering the order of operations in my head. The fullering never came to mind, so I'm glad I didn't burn up some steel trying to make a set. They look handy and you can bet I'll give this a go as soon as you post the second half of the tale!
Awesome instructions and demonstrations, Thank you Sir for your time and creativity
Always great content. Especially showing multiple techniques for every step
I am looking forward to seeing this continue for sure.
Awesome. Can’t wait for part 2. I like the slotted jaw tongs you used also. Is there a video on those?
That Say Mak power hammer looks right at home in the background.
Thanks John I have been wanting to make a set of them tongs
18° F is a tad chilly! 🐾⚒🔥
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
I may stay in the house tomorrow when it gets that low
@glennwiebe5128
5 жыл бұрын
This morning it was -25° C (-13° F). I know that for some of you that's not that cold but for me it's absolutely frigid no matter how you cut it. That's if it's not solid!
@christophercraft957
5 жыл бұрын
-25 is perfectly fine if you're a polar bear.
@Zogg1281
5 жыл бұрын
I love cold weather but have only gone that cold on a skiing trip once. I still loved it as it's not like British weather and always wet when it's cold so it feels a lot worse!! I always say that you can always put on more/warmer clothes when it's cold, when it's hot there's a limit to how much can be removed!!! 😆
Ok John I’m ready for the next video. I’ve made a set and I all caught up. I started with 9” and they ended up being 13” long. One thing about Metrics just remember 25mm = 1”
Have Ben looking forward to this
Thx I needed a pair of them. Going out to start making a few different size pairs thx again......paul
They are now squircle handle tongs.
I can see your power hammer smiling as you draw out those reins the hard way LOL
That's great I need some more tongs and have some metal the right size for. Them so that will be my next project
Excellent, I want to make a set of these
Masterful!
Love this video John, just a quick heads up with the measurements, the first mark is 3cm or 30mm the second one is 7cm or 70mm. I got confused a bit so I though I would let you know. The length you say is 36cm which is 336mm. Hope this helps mate.
Wow i just asked about these thank you
Didn't realize that these were made from 1/4x1" stock. My first pair of tongs were drawn out of 10" of 1/2" square bar.
Another great video. And something I'm going to make in the near future. I would like to ask what type of tongs are you use in this video to hold the stock material. Thanks.
Can't wait I'm going to have to try these. Is part 2 out yet, is part 2 out yet, is part 2 out yet I'll keep doing this to you put it out lmao⚒on!!!
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
In the morning, but it looks like we will go into part three.
@bentoombs
5 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge I just had to poke the bear.hehe thanks John for the videos
As a citizen that had metrification imposed on us 45 years ago I must say I do like it. It does take a while to adapt. But I can still use metric and imperial interchangeably very well. It may take a little bit John but it will come to you. The "30 cm and 7.5 cm" at 2:47 made me laugh though. Interesting to note that the G3 tongs were a lefty model?
The welding shield (tarp) give the shop some really great light in the winter.. how is it handling the elements? Just wondering as sun and cold really bleach out plastic
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
It should hold up fine. I had one in some of the earlier phases of the shop that went from one unfinished area to the next over several years and suffered more from physical damage than the weather.
@hughcupples1279
5 жыл бұрын
I’ll defiantly keep these in mind for my next project :) thanks
Look forwards to the next instalment. I really like the look of that design of tong. I do struggle with drawing out though so I am wondering if I can weld a chunk of flat bar to some existing round then forge it out from there? Does forging a weld always lead to trouble or does the forging process help make the join virtually disappear?
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
The trouble with welded on reins, other than forge welding, is that the welds don't like being forged and can crack. Tig or torch welding does better than mig or stick.
The phrase "deformities in the bar" reminds me of college for some reason.
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Any recommendations on calculating the measurements with 1.5 x .25 bar?
Hi, very interesting pair of tongs, I look forward to forge me a pair of these, but I thing it might be better to slot punch and then drift the boss area to get more mass in there. What do you think ?
@BlackBearForge
4 жыл бұрын
Trying to upset the material until you have a round hole again will be quite troublesome. Plus the boss is already the largest strongest part of the tong, so it shouldn't be needed. My most used tongs are some this style that I made nearly 30 years ago and they are holding up just fine.
These are not too dissimilar to the Mästermyr tongs.
Is there a formula or rule of thumb when it comes to drawing out your metal so u can figure what to start with
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
If you are drawing out to a sharp point - For a flat parallel taper it generally doubles in length for a square taper 4 times the length and for round 5 times the length. If you aren't drawing out to a point it you have to make an educated guess on how much to allow. That comes with practice.
This is a very useful series, I couldn't find good images of the forging process for Poz tongs, lots of broken links out there in the internet on this topic. Can you give a ballpark estimate of how much bar stock is used for each blank for a pair about like the ones you finished in part 3?
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
I think I gave exact measurements in part 1. These are made from 1/4 x 1" x 12" mild steel.
@oxbowfarm5803
5 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge my impression from the vids was that you ended up with too long of reins and could have used less bar? I was wondering about how much bar stock actually got used in each blank more or less, vs what you started with.
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
I think I started with 14" and decided the 12" length was better.
I forgot that I wanted to coment on this video...... D'oh! I made my first set of tongs before Christmas and yesterday I started my second set. The first ones were to hold 30×6mm flat stock, as that's what I'm useing for tongs at the moment, so I went with quite long springy rains. I'm struggling a bit with these, due to various joint problems and I also find my hand creeping down the rains, but I thought I could make a tong clip soon to fix that problem. My second set are going to be wolf jaw tongs, so I can use them for a lot of different stock, and I've been trying to work out how long I want the rains. I think I'm going to go a bit shorter and have thicker rains, I also decided that I want them as long as I still want the tongs!! 😆 Sorry I just had to slip a joke in there lol. The rest is true, so please wish me luck with the wolf jaw tongs. So far they are coming out a lot neater then the first ones 😊
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
best of luck
@Zogg1281
5 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge thanks
Commenting before I get too far in to the video because I already know it'll be good but I have a tool question I don't want to forget! on the studs between the windows you have two things hanging there. They look hinged and interesting. What are they?
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
Those are filing vises kzread.info/dash/bejne/a52j27KyeMyaf6g.html
Thank you! I have been anxiously anticipating this demo. I'm assuming that for larger tongs of this style you just use larger stock and adjust the measurements of where you fuller etc?
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
You can up size these to a point, but generally I think the more traditional style tongs seem to work better in the larger sizes.
When you had the wide camera shot of you forging and you were beating the snot out of that bar your hand eye coordination is very impressive I hope with practice and time I will one day achieve your level of skill and talent and my anvil will appreciate me not smacking the snot out of it instead
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
It all gets better the more you do, just like any other skill
Great videos IMHO Where do you get that ruler with the hook on it?
@BlackBearForge
Жыл бұрын
Thanks. The ruler is just cut out from a small square. Here is a video on making one - kzread.info/dash/bejne/X2mLyNOYoaXHfJc.html&pp=ygUcYmxhY2sgYmVhciBmb3JnZSBob29rIHJ1bGxlcg%3D%3D
Hi John; I believe the guys name is "Richard Pozniak". He was a blacksmith for the city of Chicago. Google "Richard Pozniak" for a writeup. redrok
Would that be a good application for a cut reign tong?
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
Possibly
If I use larger stock can I make a pair that hold larger material say 1/2 x 1 1/2 Something to hold 5/8 square bar or so...... paul
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
You can certainly up size these for larger round of square. But the design doesn't really suit itself for flat stock.
@MrDukaman
5 жыл бұрын
Ok perfect.
Do you have a video where you show how you make one of those Guillotine hardy tools?
@BlackBearForge
3 жыл бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/g5mYw6uyqraod7Q.html
@wildernessworthy
3 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge thank you so much!!!
What kind of mild steel are you using? Thanks. Great video!
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
I am not aware of various kinds of mild steel. If you go out and buy steel and are not paying extra for something special, that is what you want.
@dalejarrett3551
5 жыл бұрын
I was wondering what you are using?
Hello everyone unfortunately for me I do not understand English, I often watch videos so I ask a question would there be possibility of having the largest dimensions in metric? I do not know if it's fesable in the editing thank you congratulations for everything is beautiful work Didier FRANCE I write with a translator excuse for the faults
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
I do try to give metric measurements for most of the projects
I saw a set like those but one jaw had a 1/2" round it appears they would be a useful pair to have. Would you try to make a universal style?
@BlackBearForge
5 жыл бұрын
I usually find that the universal style never work as well as tongs made for specific sizes of material
@vincentgolden5352
5 жыл бұрын
Ah gotcha i was curious about this thanks for letting me know takecare.
Couple days come on lol
John those measurements should be 30mm in and 70.5mm in not centimeters mate, just checking. There is 10 mm = 1 cm.