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As far as the core lifts, weightlifting, without a doubt. Dynamic strength is far more important that locking in your whole body for a very isolated max bench press. But reaching one's full athletic potential still requires a great deal of accessory work, regardless if your base in power or weightlifting.

@KwnKal

2 жыл бұрын

Everything is a tool you have to use accordingly. If u take an athlete and he has like 3 months before his fight/race or whatever ,you start with very basic staff . Regular squat, regular overhead press etc in rep range of 10ish and more so u can build capacity with load. Moving forward to 2 months before the "insert something of your choice" you get lower rep ranges (6-4) movement patterns closer to what the sport includes. Closer to the day, you start the ballistic/dynamic approach and get a specific movement movement pattern (Dont exclude the basic staff just do them more sport specific). Do you approve @Garage Strength?

@paulbadman8509

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry but I'll never abandon my deadlifts.

@tdogable

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulbadman8509 weightlifters do more deadlifts than powerlifters lol

Awesome colab!!! Thank you!!!!

Loved these collaboration pieces, enjoyed watching you two just pick each others' brains and having fun whilst doing it. As someone who started with boxing, martial arts, then transitioned to football, military, then back to mma, this was extremely enjoyable to watch and take in. Thanks so much guys and would love to see more of these in the future.

Variety makes the best athletes imo. The more tools in your toolbox the better.

Such an important conversation. I'm taking notes from you two.

Two fitness guru’s in the same room, truly amazed 🙌🏼💯

The two top coaches in sports

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I'd like to watch a lifting channel that took on a Concept2 rowing challenge , improve 2K/5k or shorter intervals over 3 to 6 months for example. Especially since all gyms have them

I feel like weightlifting transfer well strongman. Powerlifting in all lifts , might have to train the bench differently. Like Toshiki lifts and his bench is his weakness

According to Olympic officials, weightlifting has been banned for the time being. Would be nice to hear from big boss and his thoughts on this.

where can I listen to the podcast you mention? I went to his channel but there is no video with you.

@GarageStrength

2 жыл бұрын

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if you could only do one then obviously it would be weightlifting for athletes but even better is obviously some combination.

Feels like that girl in the taco commercial, "why not both?" Just finished watching the video, great content as usual! Would be awesome to have more collab videos/podcasts like this

@ytano5782

2 жыл бұрын

High frequency in 3 or 6 main lifts? 😉 From a weightlifter point of view: I squat and „deadlift“ totally different than a power lifter. Both are only accessory’s and it s necessary to modify them, to work on weaknesses. A power lifter will work on the perfect competition form. If competition is not your goal, then go for weightlifting. You will have a ton of squats, pulls/deadlifts, presses and benching is less harmful than most people think. But power lifting is possible without a coach and programming is easy. w/o coaching weightlifting will be frustrating.

@TheGingervit1s

2 жыл бұрын

@@ytano5782 why is the implication that a powerlifter will work on perfect competition but a weightlifter won't? I don't understand lol, it would apply equally to both. When I say use both I don't mean with the same athlete; powerlifting movements and weightlifting movements both have their place and there's no reason not to use whatever makes your athletes better rather than rigidly sticking to just one style

@ytano5782

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGingervit1s I have formulated this in a misleading way. Of course, weightlifters also work continuously on their competition form in snatch, clean and jerk. But not on squat, deadlift and bench. Sometime you will see a weightlifter on a power lifter competition. The squat is always too deep and the deadlift looks like a half clean

Aye that stereo analogy hit me though.

Yo I leave in PA. I'll come pay you a visit sometime!

@GarageStrength

2 жыл бұрын

DO IT. Let's go!

Good to see a high level strength coach who clearly has experience and isn't just a bean pole who has never stepped foot in a gym

@Investments_and_motivation

2 жыл бұрын

He used to be an MMA fighter n learned about the body to help himself

Is contrast method the same as Post Action Potentiation?

@ajithsidhu7183

Жыл бұрын

Yes

One day, I want to be as buff as you.

5:06 Dbol ?

i always chuckle a bit when i hear someone say, “overspeed eccentrics.” its kinda just a silly sounding phrase lol. no disrespect, just amused

@brandonlikesdmb

2 жыл бұрын

Why

@thomasgarza9614

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like an attack in an anime

@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like Louis Simmons 😂Since he says that

@JorgeGonzalez-sx7fk

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonlikesdmb “overspeed” is a comical combination of words. the force of gravity is a measure of acceleration, not speed. band tension simulates an increase the accelerative force of gravity. idk why people wouldn’t just call it “accelerated eccentrics”

I mean for wrestling, shotput (HS) and Competitive cheer (currently a D1 male cheerleader) explosiveness is key for me. Push press, push jerk, hang clean, back squat, z press, bench, front squat, zercher squat, RDLs, box jumps, broad jumps, and sprints. Have been staples in my gym time. (Of course some accessory work too after compounds) but its mostly explosiveness speed lifts and excercises with some strength based compound lifts. Hang cleans perfectly resemble a toss for cheer, then push press for stunts that transition from hands. (Like hands to Lib or hands to cupie), Zerchers too.

I would say with rampant PED use, the question becomes pointless. Without PEDs, the powerlifter would have a higher chance of success transitioning to other styles or sports.

😆 I woulda been trembling like a new born baby deer too. Great discussion good points. Tools in a tool box. Both Power and Weight Lifting have their place to get any given athlete where they want to go.

epic shiet

Olympic weightlifting is so much better for athletes than powerlifting. Problem is, most athletes aren’t willing to take 3-6 months to learn how to weight lift. Also good luck finding a coach in the states, and if you do you’ll pay a pretty penny. Vs. the power lifts can be learned in a week or less.

@idkimfrmpl

Жыл бұрын

True. Also imo doing oly wl without proper technique can do more damage than help

@tdogable

Жыл бұрын

@@idkimfrmpl correct

@JayzsMr

9 ай бұрын

You really don't need that much time , the basic movements can be learned very quickly. You don't need perfect technique to have the benefits. For example for maximum explosive power training there is no real need to do anything but power cleans or snatch

Far more skill and training required in weightlifting .

@masonmalaguti3463

2 жыл бұрын

I mean being an athlete bro is harder than lifting a bar cuz we gotta lift and train for are sport through vertical speed cardio endurance and the sport itself plus weight training

@inigoxd

2 жыл бұрын

thats why people usually program/recommend a 2-4 week technique phase for it

@deadlift0028

2 жыл бұрын

Different skill and training. Not necessarily more.

@tdogable

2 жыл бұрын

@@masonmalaguti3463 as someone who’s played multiple sports at state championship level, I can tell you weightlifting is just as hard/technical as any other sport. Probably harder tbh.

10000% oly lifting is better than power lifting. It's not even about how much weight to put up. It's about full r o m and gaining the ability to physically improvise.

@MrSpicabooo

2 жыл бұрын

I agree just the positions you are put in with the oly lifts transfer way better to sports, changes are if u can do an ATG squat and have a fast clean then ur mobile and fast playing a sport

Minor qualm with one of Phil's answers. He says that he doesn't want his athletes to "think about" things as they go through the movement, but I have seen videos of him doing some of the kettlebell routines that do require some additional thought to keep rhythm. They are great routines, don't get me wrong, but some do require the athlete to think perhaps even more than a typical olympic lift. His kettlebell routines are some of my favorites on his channel too, so please don't stop doing them Phil!

@adeelliftsstuff

2 жыл бұрын

I think by thought he means technical ability, as oly lifts are a sport in and of itself- people spend decades perfecting their form on the c and j and snatch. oly lifts are at the top of the spectrum when it comes to barbell+resistance training for sure. The technique needed for oly lifts far surpass that of kettlebell movements 100%. Thats just how I interpreted it

In most athletic sport the hamstrings and glutes are much more important than the quads. And in a quadominant sport like Olympic weightlifting the athletes will not develop the needed muscles in the desired ratio. I understand the speed aspect though and that's why the % of the weight on the bar will have to be selected obviously for speed work.

@Crazylalalalala

2 жыл бұрын

I have not found much carry over with deadlift nor bench press or even heavy squats to any sport i have done seriously, American football, rugby, BJJ... while I hear what you said a lot I found that to be BS in my experience. For me the powerlifting lifts where good for getting size and about nothing else. Really wish I hadnt wasted all that time on it. If I knew what i know now I would have been a better athlete not just a bigger one. I think in general people seem to think that resistance training of any sort has way more carry over than it really does to a point they forget to practice the sport they are trying to get good at. The olympic lifts do seem to have a better carry over but unless your sport is olympic weightlifting it really shouldn't be your main focus but is a positive addition to any program. Having said that, the Olympic lifts are more fun and a really good measure of your mobility. If you cant do them, you have mobility work you need to do.

@tdogable

2 жыл бұрын

@@Crazylalalalala I’ve done weightlifting and powerlifting extensively. Also ran track, bjj, kickboxing. I can tell you weightlifting training makes your body so much more explosive than the power lifts. I can physically feel a difference, especially in leg/kicking power.

@rye-bread5236

2 жыл бұрын

I mean for wrestling, shotput (HS) and Competitive cheer (currently a D1 male cheerleader) quad strength has been crucial. It helped a ton. And explosiveness is key for me. Push press, push jerk, hang clean, back squat, z press, bench, front squat, zercher squat, RDLs, box jumps, broad jumps, and sprints. Have been staples in my gym time. (Of course some accessory work too after compounds) but its mostly explosiveness speed lifts and excercises with some strength based compound lifts. Hang cleans perfectly resemble a toss for cheer, then push press for stunts that transition from hands. (Like hands to Lib or hands to cupie)

Olympic lifting is to snooker as powerlifting is too pocket billiards.

Neither is better, what is best is sport specific weight training and conditioning.

Maturity is when you realize: weightlifting involves power to do the lifts and powerlifting involves just lifting the weight.

I think Olympic Lifting is losing favor with a lot of strength coaches. A lot of kids that are athletes are hurting their backs. I like Phil’s approach just a little better, but Dane has it locked for throwers though.

@jeanpauljeanpaul2530

2 жыл бұрын

Probably because most strength coaches lack the skills and abilities to coach the Olympic lifts correctly.

@chunbach3692

2 жыл бұрын

JP Pee - one of these Coaches have three worlds medals 🏅 Oly lifters. But WTF

@tdogable

2 жыл бұрын

It’s losing favor because imagine trying to teach a beginner to snatch from scratch… vs power lifts can be taught in a day. And require no mobility. Coaches are just lazy.

The sport is just called Weightlifting. And it is wise to use the proper name now since weightlifting is not an Olympic sport anymore.