Thanks for the comprehensive video. I couldnt even afford a 997 so opted to go for a 996.2 and modified egg light delete and other changes, flat 6 for life or until IMS fails lol, not when you change oil every 3000km take car of any car and it will reciprocate!

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that we did a job well done 😉🙏. I couldn’t agree more with the regular oil changes and to be honest the 996.2 are super fun 911’s. I as a matter love the friend egg headlights. I think they were great but there is a camp of people that think otherwise 🤷🏽

@panthepchamrasromran1033

3 ай бұрын

I just stuck to mine 997.1 targa 4S

I was between a .1 S manual vs a base .2 and I went .1 and I could never be more happy (55k miles 8 years ownership) which I drove from Michigan to Miami then Miami to LA .. then LA to Oregon ❤️

@cobygreenwood1015

Жыл бұрын

You make me want one even more 😮 I’ve heard of people with 175k miles on their .1 manual and it’s still running strong no issues but oil maintenance and spark plugs

@charlieh3998

Жыл бұрын

Cool

Both are equally beautiful - I'd go with the 997.2 for multiple reasons.

If you want a manual car, then the 997.1 is fine. But if you want automatic, then it's no contest - PDK in the 997.2.

@coasterpro2173

Жыл бұрын

My exact philosophy

@Lescouzec

7 ай бұрын

997.1 Metzger all day

@Lescouzec

7 ай бұрын

In turbo I mean

@user-zr3zp1ji4o

6 ай бұрын

why

@QuantumBlu9x

5 ай бұрын

What about manual 997.1?

Wow that Gen 1 C4s looks stunning and very well sorted car. For me the more mechanical Gen 1 is preferred

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. For sure the Gen 1 is more mechanical

Definitely one of the most informative 997.1 vs 997.2 comparison videos I've seen. Nice job!

@Alex-ed3eh

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, to the point and honest

I stayed with 997.1 All its need from day one is proper running in which I did up to 5,000 miles proper maintenances better than standard lubricants are all you needs. The 997.1 is the real last 911 for fun and exciting sounds and drive especially the 4S.

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Do you have a C4s? I personally prefer the c2s.

@Element_y

8 ай бұрын

@@InvictusMotors I am in the market and I also am leaning towards the c2s over the c4s as well. I am not yet convinced that the extra weight and complexity of the awd system is worth it.

I've driven both and ended up owning a 997.2 C4S - 6 speed manual. I think this comparison was a bit unfair as the 997.1 in the video was the 3.8 'S' engine and the 997.2 was the base 3.6 engine. The 997.2 'S' 3.8 engine has a very noticeable 30 more horsepower than its 997.1 counterpart and I think is more responsive due to the direct injection. I have the PSE (Porsche Sports Exhaust) and with a simple Sharkwerk's center muffler bypass, it sounds great. It doesn't quite howl like the 997.1, but has its own great sound and is plenty loud with that modification. Other reasons to prefer the 997.2 is that with the 9A1 engine you don't have to worry about IMS failure or bore scoring which was perhaps even more common in the M96/M97 engines especially if you live in colder climates. The PCM is much more modern and there were many other small beneficial changes. I didn't like the standard .2 wheels, but thats an easy fix. Mine came with .1 Turbo wheels. Of course, the .2 costs more, so you have to factor that in. If you can find a 6-speed in the 997.2 know that is relatively rare as less 997.2's were made overall and less of those had 6-speeds so that is likely to help hold its value. Personally, I like the wider body from a looks perspective and I put spacers on mine to improve the stance. But I wish the wider body was available back then on the RWD versions as RWD is probably a more pure driving experience than the 4S.

@eduardwalhout1740

Жыл бұрын

From what i've heard, the driving experience is very very similar between cC2 and C4. Its just when you get into trouble the front wheels will start to help you out. I think Chris Harris said that and he should know. It opened my mind to the C4 because i was only interested in a C2 untill that comment.

@howinyee5962

8 ай бұрын

Well said. The IMS is a huge issue with the .1. People who prefer .1 pretty much didn't want to fork up the extra money to get the .2

If anyone is looking at buying a porsche 100% got to invictus porsche very nice people brilliant customer service and the cars are spot on i brought my 911 from them and still have it now as a daily

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciate Karl 🙏❤️

@Alex-ed3eh

Жыл бұрын

I agree, they have been brilliant with me so far on enquiries on some of their Porsches

I own the 997.1 base Carrera manual. It’s correct what you stated. Mine has 44k miles with no issues. It’s visceral and raw. I feel like I’m driving a 911 not a Hoover. Every time I drive it feels special. Some cars have a little magic and this is one of them.

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

The base 997 is more reliable compared to the S and glad you are enjoying the experience which is what 911 ownership is about.

@TheSeanMichael

9 ай бұрын

I also have a base 997.1 Carrera manual. Mine has 32,000 miles. I installed a Fister sport exhaust. Otherwise, the car is stock. Driving the car is a pure visceral experience. I feel like these cars will age well. The 997 is simply a classic. There are a few things in this world that are really good. This is one of them.

@rulez-sm9je

7 ай бұрын

Liked your video, thanks. I agree with the facts you presented. Having a 997.1 I agree it drives quite raw, remembering you that you are driving a real sports car. I tried 997.2 too, less emotional feeling, also on the steering wheel. I was not impressed by its PDK, the music starts with 991 though.

Gen 2, more power, more tech, led lights etc etc make sure it has PSE and all is good, mine sounds great!

I love the extra add on at the end... "Refined dyson hoover".... Brilliant. Humour aside, excellent video.

Great to get your opinion and to see your love of the engine sounds and why the 997.1 ..which I have, the base Carrera, which I love and the 3.6 block is supposed to be the one to have!! 👏👌

Excellent and honest comparison - thank you!

@InvictusMotors

7 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏🏽

This was a GREAT comparison video!! Made me laugh too!! Love the honesty!! 😂

@InvictusMotors

2 ай бұрын

Haha glad you enjoyed it mate

355bhp on the 3.8l... I just bought a gen 1 06 plate C2S with a Dansk exhaust with a very extensive list of work done, and it drives amazingly and it sounds brilliant! The steering is so sharpe and precise... It's my first Porsche and what can I say, what a car😎! Mine is going to be kept for some time...

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

That must sound so good. I hope you get good use out of it and you have chosen very well.

991.1 base Carrera with simple Tubi muffler replacement howls like a GT Mezger engine! I love it!

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing that, please do send me a link to the Tubi muffler

Get a gen 2 if you want an “investment’” car. If you like driving, get a gen 1 with a rebuild. That’s what I did. Thanks invictus!

Great information my friend. I was curious about the difference between the 2 cars and you did a phenomenal job explaining. Thank You for sharing. Free Agent From Washington DC.

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated my friend. Glad you liked it 😊

I’m hoping to get a 997 but wasn’t sure if to get .1 or .2 and your video is very well made & easy to understand the basics.

@InvictusMotors

8 ай бұрын

Thanks Asim, glad it helped to distinguish between the two ❤️👌

If you want a manual - Gen 1. If you NEED an automatic, get the PDK Gen 2. Done deal baby.

Thanks for the great video.

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the feedback. Appreciate it 🙏🏽

Great Video Basheer. Top info. Hope you are keeping well. Anyone can feel confident buying from Invictus Motors. Top guys. And great to deal with.

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

I have owned 997.1 GT3 since 2007. I am the original owner and it is an amazing car. Other than going through lots of tires, a few clutches, and some brake pads, it has been a flawless trouble for your car. And it is ridiculously fast. I drive with a lot of the other GT 3s all of which are newer, including some 992’s. Straight line blood in the turns absolutely as fast as they are. My car is a little more raw, and requires a little more skill, but the fun is amazing!

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Wow that’s an amazing car and glad you still have it. We had one recently in stock and sold very quickly

Gen 1 looks and sounds better and 15k cheaper I'll take my chances with bores

Ah the big debate! Driven both, own a 997.1 manual. This vid doesn't mention there is about £10k between same spec cars. If closer I'd have a 997.2. it's not as raw but you worry about it a lot less!

997.1 any day, could look at it for hours, the rear lights just look so much better than the .2 and of course like you say, that exhaust note👌🏼👍🏼

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tom, glad that you agree 😊. For sure they look better on a .1 and .2 lights unfortunately suffer from condensations too

Another very passionate and honest review. 🙏🏿

A very refined hoover 😂😂😂 love it. Just bought a 997.1 manual cab and it’s a cracker of a car to drive. Only time will tell if it’s reliable. Keep you posted. Stephen

@InvictusMotors

7 ай бұрын

Enjoy it and if it breaks you can always fix. No point stressing prematurely

This is an outstanding video. I’m in my late 60s…and still own my 944S2 Cabriolet. I love the car….I bought it the year that I turned 50 which coincided with the year I was promoted to US Navy O6 Captain. I’d be lying if I didn’t own up to some 911 envy….but I just could never justify the price of a new one. Fully retired now, from both the Navy, AND a follow on career in Federal Law Enforcement, I think it’s time to “pull the trigger” and buy a 911. So I’m looking for a low mileage / no accidents model. Great job, on discerning the difference of these two generations….I’m also looking at the next generation. I’ll find the right car at the right price, eventually! Bravo-Zulu on this great video, sir….very well done!

@InvictusMotors

3 ай бұрын

Love your story Captain and super excited for you to own your 911. Make sure it is maintained properly and have a PPI before purchase. You are still very young and continue to enjoy life sir

Very very informative Ta,

@InvictusMotors

5 ай бұрын

Glad to hear Rob

Hi i have the Gen 1 from 2007 with 27.000km only. It is fantastic and you are right ! The Sound is fantastic compared to the Gen2 and i personaly don‘t like the Led‘s on the Gen2, look like „poor tuning“. I love the 997 C4S MK1

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Christian, glad to hear that you favour the 997.1 :)

I recall mention on a forum that the BMW nicosil issue causing bore scoring, was due to high sulphur petrol. However petrol is now low sulphur.

@InvictusMotors

4 ай бұрын

That is an interesting take, I wonder if we will see less bore scoring going forward.

Great commentary- luv that Gen II. Just thinks it’s nicer looking.

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. It is gorgeous and done in a subtle way too

Very informative. I wasn’t aware gen 1 had a wider shape than gen 2. After your video I now prefer the gen 1

@anthonyatkinson9189

8 ай бұрын

No..the 4s is wider on both .1 and .2 models.

@InvictusMotors

7 ай бұрын

Gen 1 definitely for the purist and better mechanical sound

@georgetown8986

3 ай бұрын

The 4 is wide on both .1 and .2. The Turbo is also wide.

Nice comparison, but some of this was apples and oranges. In that the generation 1 here was a C4S, which is curvier (my preference aesthetically) and also has the sport engine. I personally have a 997.2 Carrera 4 with the same coloring as the 997.1 in this video. The one thing I have done aftermarket is alter the exhaust because yes, the Gen 2 is quieter stock. But otherwise, there are many advantages to the Gen 2 and it’s direct injection engine, lack of IMS, less frequent bore scoring issues, and others. Not to mention the added power when one compares apples to apples. Cheers.

@thomashelm6931

5 ай бұрын

This would be my selection, as well. Took the thoughts from my brain on all aspects of your choice!

Great video. Im very envious that UK seems to have lower prices 911s w greater variety of colors & extra options vs US offerings.

@InvictusMotors

Күн бұрын

Yes we are so lucky and I keep telling our customers how lucky they are with the prices we have in UK

“Engine sounds like a hoover” 😂😂😂. I have a 997.1 C4S. Powerful raw car! C4S is 385bhp btw

Nice video 👏🏽👊🏽👍🏽🥂

@InvictusMotors

Ай бұрын

Thank you very much

Good comparison. The 997.1 is the one if you are looking for the 911 which retains more "911"! A friend with a 997.2 is desperately looking for exhaust mods to get it sound "more like yours". I have Milltek exhaust 😉

@alangil40

Жыл бұрын

I have a 997.2 with factory PSE, but also the Sharkwerks center muffler bypass and it sounds great.

Sem dúvida, o 997 1 é o mais bonito, mais simples e tem câmbio manual, o que o torna sensacional, na pilotagem. É um carro mais raiz.

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Mucho Gracias Afonso ❤️😊

. 2 manual is the the one.

I’ve had a 997 .1 c2 for 5 years now , and I cannot understand why you would need anything more than this car . Mine is a manual, and I absolutely love it .

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

For public roads you are absolutely right, there is plenty of performance in the 997.1 c2. As with anything in life, if you have deeper pockets people look for marginal improvements

@jeholloway2

Жыл бұрын

I have a .1 manual base C2 and completely agree. Every time I drive it I think this is the perfect car. It’s uncanny how balanced it is in so many areas.

The lobster wheels are my favorite wheels after classic Fuchs.

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Great to hear. Definitely one of our favourites too and the classic fuchs are awesome

@legendbodywork1313

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the lobster claw is amazing suits the car so well Porsche knows what they’re doing

I would love to buy my first porsche but would require some assistance - Would you go for a Gen 1 Automatic or Gen 2? I have a bad knee so changing gear really isn't for me - Alternative is a boxter 2013 model? Bare in mind my bank account isn't unlimited

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

If you have the budget, I would recommend to go for a Gen 2. If you don’t need the extra 2 seats at the back, the Boxster 2013 will definitely suffice. It’s a lot of car for the money 👍

@Meerios3

Жыл бұрын

@@InvictusMotors I don’t think I can do The gen 2 it’s a bit too much for me. Do you know much about the maintenance and anything to look out for when it comes to the boxter or even cayman

Hello there, is the C4S still for sale?

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Hi Richard, Unfortunately it’s sold now 😞

Great vid thanks

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the compliment :)

I waited so long to get my Porsche I am torn between the 997.1 and a997.2. I think I’m gonna go for the 997.1. And hope for the best I want to have the Porsche experience I want to have the rumble and feel like a roller coaster

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Just make sure you check for bore scoring on the 997.1. All the best

Good review. But? Pro and con... i can afford to run gen1? Can you aford borescore, ims repair ans so on? I truly think gen2 is much cheaper to run... Main different between the 2 is the stearing

@InvictusMotors

11 ай бұрын

The borscore is pricy on Gen 1 with rebuild. You just have to weigh the risk I’m afraid

I purchased a 2006 997.1 in 2009 with approx 3,000 miles on it. It was the most reliable car I have ever owned. I sold it in 2015 with 21,000 miles on it. That being written, the IMS and scoring issue was constantly on my mind. Even though I didn't have problems, I worried about it constantly. I didn't really want to wake up one day and have to write a check for $20k - $25k to repair an issue that is basically non-foreseeable and gives very little, if any warning. I wouldn't purchase another 997.1. I am currently looking for another 911. It will be a 997.2 or 991.1 only.

@InvictusMotors

3 ай бұрын

You have summed it up beautifully, most of them don’t suffer from issues but those will issues have made it so prominent that in ownership it feels imminent.

@georgetown8986

3 ай бұрын

@@InvictusMotors Thank you for the kind works. Very thorough and well done review of two outstanding P Cars.

What year is the blue 1 an with the wide body is that AWD

@georgetown8986

3 ай бұрын

Likely an '05 - '08. The 997.2 came out in '09.

@boston05011

3 ай бұрын

Thank you

I'm going for a gen 1 997. Still deciding about Cabrio vs coupe, what's your thoughts about that?

@mrenigma6274

Жыл бұрын

I prefer coupe. In UK there aren’t many days you can use the top down and doesn’t justify

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

You will definitely enjoy a Gen 1 more, they are raw and if you like the character of the older 911’s you will definitely get that on the .1. As for Cabrio vs Coupe. If you are lucky to have good weather then cabriolet is the way to go

@marshy997

Жыл бұрын

Thats a tough question, my last 3 cars were cabs, but when I looked at the 997s, the shape is just too good to get it in a cab, I have no regrets with the coupe. And I researched and went with the gen2, he is correct they sound like a hoover, but back box delete with cross over pipes and a gundo hack it sounds awesome 💪

@y0057

Жыл бұрын

If you need the back seats for people and some degree of practicality Cabs, if you don’t need the back seats much coupe.

@SuperJammy1

Жыл бұрын

I have the cab and live in the UK and there is easily enough good weather to justify the soft top.

Gen 2 hints at the styling of the Panamera

@thomashelm6931

5 ай бұрын

I enjoy my 2010 Panamera S. 400 HP, but needed for the weight. Researching between the 997.2 CS or 991 CS now, for the premium Porsche experience.

997.2 is an overall better car inside & out. 40% less parts than Gen 1 is important & shows efficiency. Both have variable steering which is raw though not as much as a 993; but far more engaging than 991 onward. I've owned both & both are great cars, but 997.2 evolved from the market crash (2008) therefore more rare, less produced.

997.1 looks so much better to me.

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Great taste. They have lovely body lines

Well done for the charity donation 👏

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, it’s important to give back

I'd rather have a 997.2 base over a 997.1 Carerra S. Comparing S to S, 997.2 all the way, hands down.

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Manual or auto?

So the gen 1 is wider? 997.1 4s is wider then 997.2 4s?

@InvictusMotors

8 ай бұрын

In this video the Gen is a C4S so wider body where as the 997.2 is a Carrera 2 which is narrow body. The C4S or C4 of both the 997.1 and 997.2 is wider bodied as well as the the Turbo and GTS iteration.

@spapauw9384

8 ай бұрын

@@InvictusMotors thankyou so much! Its sometimes hard to know all the differences. I hope you can help me out with the following question sir! Are the 4 and 4s both equally as wide? Are the 997.1 4s and 997.2 4s equally wide? I tried to google it but to clear answer, to mt understanding the mk1/mk2 4s models share the same widthness(?) And it also seems that the 4s is just as wide as the turbo models? Thankyou in advance

@InvictusMotors

8 ай бұрын

@@spapauw9384 The 997, C2 and C2S, GT3 are narrow body. The 997 C4, C4S, GT2, TURBO are wide body. often the give away can be if your running 295 or 305 rear tyres as well. There is only 44mm overall 22mm per side difference between the two.

The motor being a flat six doesn’t mean “physics tells you you might get a puff of smoke” 😂

Great video

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated Mike 😊

Great video, I have a 997.1 C2 manual, sounds amazing, I didn’t know the Gen 2 ‘s sounded any different to the Gen 1 but video demonstrates the differences well, I agree the gen 2 sounds like a Dyson hoover😅

@InvictusMotors

6 ай бұрын

Haha the Gen 1 definitely sounds good. Next time you see a Gen 2 in person pay attention to it

997.2 has PSE, right?! Maybe putting it on “against” .1 4S would be better comparison ;) but agree with you that .2 has a milder sound (I got one and I compare it with my other 993 4S :)) Nice videos! Keep on!

One day I’m hoping to upgrade my 996.1 to 997. or 996 turbo.

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Nice aim to have and God Willing it happens soon for you my friend 😊

Lovely to see the different opinions. I chose the Gen 1 as I loved the noise better and I love to looks of the Gen 1. But you need to have a good one with good history and research. And if you heat it up and maintain it, you can really let it scream and drive. But you need to take care of it. They are not cheap to drive. And most of the time there it goes wrong. Drive them with no budget.

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Your comment is very valid and you are spot on about the differences

His point about bore scoring is a lie. All 997s will eventually develope bore scoring because of the material Porsche used to make the engine bores.

Compare a 997.1 4s vs. 997.2 "Carrera" why???

997.2 has much much better and reliable engine.

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

You are not wrong. What do you drive?

@desmondwaterstone

7 ай бұрын

997.2 Turbo PDK, utterly fantastic

IMSB and bore scoring are reason enough to AVOID the 997.1; the engine is a fatal flaw for these cars. Also variable steering sucks as does PASM. Try a high speed bend in a PASM 997 and you will notice the unstable feeling. A 996 is way more locked down and has direct/precise steering.

@InvictusMotors

8 ай бұрын

I appreciate your contribution. You are right about the potential bore score problems with .1 but if inspected and well maintained they do last a long time

Its interesting that someone knows so many details about the car but can not pronounce the brand correctly. It's not "PorschAA", it's Porsche.

@InvictusMotors

8 ай бұрын

Thank you my friend for the compliment and the constructive feedback ❤️👌

That 4s is slower to 60, partly due to extra weight of 4WD

I keep my 997.1 S

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Good to hear, they are appreciating in values and nice to spice life with a 911 S

comparison not fare even more when he seem to have gen 1 as favorite

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Haha that’s a good point but I have considered both. Which one do you have?

Bash that 997.2 engine is filthy - at least clean it up

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Kashif brother it does indeed needed a clean 🧼 which has been done. We wanted to get the video done on the day we got the 911 in stock

Original is always best

Bore scoring? It is just a matter of no proper warming!

@InvictusMotors

2 ай бұрын

It can happen despite proper warming up but well maintained will last a lot longer than poorly one so you are in essence correct

Probably a Porsche 911... and what about the 997 model

Goof job thank you

@InvictusMotors

7 ай бұрын

Thank you sir

Why would you want direct injection? So you can deal with carbon buildup and a fouled up engine? Id rather have less hp than deal with that bs.

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

Yes there is a higher risk of Carbon Build up with Direct Fuel Injection engines however if you follow the manufactures service intervals and use the correct grade and high quality oil its extremely unlikely to cause any issues. Direct Fuel Injection also has various other benefits such as a cooler Fuel/Air Mixture, better ignition percentages which lead to higher performance and better MPG. There are positives and negatives for both Direct and Indirect, difficult to say if one is better than the other, most people prefer the Direct Fuel Injected Porsche Engines as they are less likely to develop Bore Scoring.

Why this guy stutter so much

@InvictusMotors

Жыл бұрын

We are not all smooth

@MrDRMB1

10 ай бұрын

Ben, if you have nothing nice to say! Say nothing at all! Really! Respect!

the more I watch , the less I want one ,,, it seems like your buying a monkey in a cage , playing with a hand grenade.

@InvictusMotors

11 ай бұрын

Haha Gen 1 do carry that risk I’m afraid