Finally got to test two C2 air-cooled Porsche 911s, the 964 and 993. These are RS tribute cars and very well fettled. Which is best?
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@5parky4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic review. You explain the driving experience of these beautifully..... And still I can’t decide between 964 vs 993
@vezinam586 жыл бұрын
Great video Jack! I love the look of Stan's 964, and putting the 6 speed in was a great idea. Awesome road car for sure!
@PaulDoldenDetails6 жыл бұрын
Great in-depth review Jack nice to hear these cars and see them being used properly and not just a Sunday car driven to the golf course and back and lovely camera work 🎬👌🏻
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
cheers Paul!!
@hcooC6 жыл бұрын
OMG! I could listen to those engines all day long :D
@Xav9116 жыл бұрын
Such a rare think a 993 RS without the Clubsport package. Love it!
@Roadkill_Buffet6 жыл бұрын
Wow what a blast to watch ! Thank you for the solid content!
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching David!
@neilwilkinson25382 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Video Jack . Watched all your early vids years ago as we got our 964s around the same time but revisiting them all again. Keep up the good work ,
@Number27
2 жыл бұрын
Ah thanks Neil and happy Christmas 🎄!
@ftlaud9116 жыл бұрын
Great video. The 993 rear is definitely more stable/compliant with the multi link suspension. I got a c4s and it corners like its on rails. It has coils, new bushings, and RS rear swaybar. Front doesn't feel light though so give/take. Looking to do RS flywheel next. Car is fun to drive, but low on power compared to my other cars even with a tune/exhaust. Wish it had 100HP more and it would be perfect. Didnt buy it for speed though so dont plan to mod it power wise. If only I had more $ for the turbo, but prices are insane now. Have thought about converting it to a 2wd, but the cornering is just so amazing and don't want to lose that. The rear swaybar helped with understeer due to the 4wd. Keep the videos coming!!
@HeidiandFranny6 жыл бұрын
Great compare jack! I just love the rear end of the 993. Such a different feel. The stock version is a blast too! F
@futurenewmedia6 жыл бұрын
Nice vid 👍 Outside of Colin’s (9m) Yellow 993 RS, you don’t see many of those Veloce GT1 forged wheels left. I’ve also got them on my 993 C2 😜
@gregs86855 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. I like the 964 better looks wise.
@Jrampton6 жыл бұрын
Great video mate !
@shiftmechanism9196 жыл бұрын
993 Drives better than 964. However, I do like the look of the 964 more
@ryanmccormick21506 жыл бұрын
Another great video Jack, take the steering wheel from the 993 and put it in the 964 and I'll take that stunning red 964 every single time !
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
Stan's car is a really nice example! Hope you get one one day!
@ryanmccormick2150
6 жыл бұрын
So do I Jack ! Once my kids have flown the nest 🤞🤞🤞
@detonator21122 жыл бұрын
Both would look actually better with orange front turn signals though.
@slambump19786 жыл бұрын
How could you have missed calling this video "Attack of the Clones" ?????
@teektan6 жыл бұрын
Another great review.. . much prefer these personally customized cars for their owners ! I actually followed Stan's advice on specs for engine mgmt, cams and gearbox. No doubt 993's are well balanced, but much prefer the direct the road feel of 964s. :-)
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy.. 964's are great!
@detonator21122 жыл бұрын
The look... well that's a subjective thing isn't it? I think 993 looks better from the rear and 964 better from the front. But that's highly controversial. I showed your other comparison video 964 vs 993 to a friend and despite him being a hardcore car guy it was really tough for him to see any visual difference between the models, until he looked really hard. I think us Porsche enthusiasts are a different breed. For us there's a world of difference but not much to a guy from the street. Haha. Thanks for another great video.
@simonboulton75546 жыл бұрын
Nice video - happily take either!
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
glad you enjoyed it!!
@MrCarrera286 жыл бұрын
Great video
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!!
@michaelpegasiou45316 жыл бұрын
Nice one jack,would love either car up you can tune up the suspension any way you like,reckon the wife’s car has competition brakes from the way they squeal 😉
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha!! The supermarket GP?
@jacoboalbeda-pierarodrigue7285 жыл бұрын
Very desirable models,particularly I prefer 964 RS ,it looks insane.
@Number27
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy.. I do love a 964!!!
@MrKeyboardCommando6 жыл бұрын
That should read, " Which is better? "‼️
@dtschlack4 жыл бұрын
If I were to track a daily I’d definitely go with adjustable suspension.
@EvoraGT4306 жыл бұрын
Surely those KW v3s could (should?) be softened off, for road work, quite easily? 993 does look too stiff, really.
@kevinmccaig5982 жыл бұрын
Trying to identify those wheels on the 993. HRE?
@krishey78346 жыл бұрын
Very Nice video! Maybe a dyno video? +300hp 964 (cup cams and induction) looks optimistic imho. Oke maybe power at the crank (not convinced)... I could be mistaken.
@Flat6_911
6 жыл бұрын
kris hey yeah, Jack missed quite a bit out on that description. The ‘induction kit’ also replaces the air flow sensor with a map sensor and has a stand-alone ecu with uprated injectors. Dyno read out when mapped was 305bhp.
@krishey7834
6 жыл бұрын
Ah oké. Makes Sense. I was allready confused why the car had bigger injectors :). Very nice setup you have there (compromise track/street). What ECU? :) Stiffer valve springs?
@Flat6_911
6 жыл бұрын
It's a setup developed by a UK company called 'Specialist Components'. ECU is a Typhoon 2. Valve springs are standard as rev limit only increased to 7000rpm and power was dropping off beyond that apparently. www.specialist-components.co.uk/index.php/shop/engine-management/posche-engine-management/porsche-911-964-management-kit.html
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
I see Stan has already answered! Thanks for watching
@miguelcastaneda72363 жыл бұрын
how about some reviews of rgup cars thats a very limited membership
@std882 Жыл бұрын
Would be nice if you can find a real and non-modified RS of the two models and compare them.
@omarwilliams6385 жыл бұрын
NICE VIDEO! 964
@Number27
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Omar!’!!
@carlharvey70986 жыл бұрын
😍😍
@tim24686 жыл бұрын
The 964 looks and sounds better. The 993 is a better engineered car. Toss a coin? Please replace "bits and bobs" with details. Love your videos.
@testarosso13686 жыл бұрын
nice one
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad you enjoyed the video!!
@leonardoluc6362 Жыл бұрын
993 all the way even the looks in my book.
@paulw58226 жыл бұрын
Nice video on "modified" Porsche's' but RS clones? No! :) The 964 is better for that with the Pss10 fitted, on a B road. 993 is nicely done with the sensible mods, but RS gear ratios make a lot of difference, especially on track. Btw, the steering wheel fitted to the 964 is the "clubsport" wheel from the 968.
@burnham7673
6 жыл бұрын
Shame the 993 only had a 3.6 too. Otherwise its practically the same!! :)
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it buddy!
@modernworldiscrap6 жыл бұрын
...where is the first 996 GT3?
@eliotcorder-gill32744 жыл бұрын
The 993 is the better of the two. We all know that. It is who you're married to. The 964 is the sexy little thing in the office that you know damn well could probably ruin your life, but you've just got to have it,. I'm not married, so it's the 964 for me :-)
@colinmonk91134 жыл бұрын
first of all to begin with no tweedledee tweedle dumb music!. good vid with normal road cars, i've just seen a brace of wide wheel arched chopped 911's at least here back to clean cars but RS modified bits & no contrived stories.
@zeusmojo93013 жыл бұрын
You need glasses if you cant see that the 993 is Far more superior in power and looks...
@truebetold65
2 жыл бұрын
Agree
@Laguna20133 жыл бұрын
Everything...except the engine, the transmission, the seam welding. Otherwise, it's an RS. lol
@yanisbenz17153 жыл бұрын
jules cesar
@timothykay104 жыл бұрын
Not a good comparison. 964rs did not have 310hp and how can you have a decent 993rs clone without the 3.8 engine.
@simonodell21034 жыл бұрын
Poor old stan ......your car is .....
@albert993s5 жыл бұрын
this 964 is not RS
@Number27
5 жыл бұрын
That’s why it says RS Clones in the title
@Laguna20136 жыл бұрын
'Which is better', Sprechen Sie English? :)
@classiccartvfilms Жыл бұрын
You forgot the 2.7! Here's my video with all three cars: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4mWptCOoZmaZ8Y.html
@typ9305 жыл бұрын
right hand drive looks awful!!
@Number27
5 жыл бұрын
No... it’s fine!! Thanks buddy and happy holidays 🎄
@tankmeister81313 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised for an enthusiast and owner you have no respect for its proper pronunciation. There is an E on the end But you’d be the first ti call an Italian car properly. 😫😫😫
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Fantastic review. You explain the driving experience of these beautifully..... And still I can’t decide between 964 vs 993
Great video Jack! I love the look of Stan's 964, and putting the 6 speed in was a great idea. Awesome road car for sure!
Great in-depth review Jack nice to hear these cars and see them being used properly and not just a Sunday car driven to the golf course and back and lovely camera work 🎬👌🏻
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
cheers Paul!!
OMG! I could listen to those engines all day long :D
Such a rare think a 993 RS without the Clubsport package. Love it!
Wow what a blast to watch ! Thank you for the solid content!
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching David!
Fantastic Video Jack . Watched all your early vids years ago as we got our 964s around the same time but revisiting them all again. Keep up the good work ,
@Number27
2 жыл бұрын
Ah thanks Neil and happy Christmas 🎄!
Great video. The 993 rear is definitely more stable/compliant with the multi link suspension. I got a c4s and it corners like its on rails. It has coils, new bushings, and RS rear swaybar. Front doesn't feel light though so give/take. Looking to do RS flywheel next. Car is fun to drive, but low on power compared to my other cars even with a tune/exhaust. Wish it had 100HP more and it would be perfect. Didnt buy it for speed though so dont plan to mod it power wise. If only I had more $ for the turbo, but prices are insane now. Have thought about converting it to a 2wd, but the cornering is just so amazing and don't want to lose that. The rear swaybar helped with understeer due to the 4wd. Keep the videos coming!!
Great compare jack! I just love the rear end of the 993. Such a different feel. The stock version is a blast too! F
Nice vid 👍 Outside of Colin’s (9m) Yellow 993 RS, you don’t see many of those Veloce GT1 forged wheels left. I’ve also got them on my 993 C2 😜
Fantastic video. I like the 964 better looks wise.
Great video mate !
993 Drives better than 964. However, I do like the look of the 964 more
Another great video Jack, take the steering wheel from the 993 and put it in the 964 and I'll take that stunning red 964 every single time !
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
Stan's car is a really nice example! Hope you get one one day!
@ryanmccormick2150
6 жыл бұрын
So do I Jack ! Once my kids have flown the nest 🤞🤞🤞
Both would look actually better with orange front turn signals though.
How could you have missed calling this video "Attack of the Clones" ?????
Another great review.. . much prefer these personally customized cars for their owners ! I actually followed Stan's advice on specs for engine mgmt, cams and gearbox. No doubt 993's are well balanced, but much prefer the direct the road feel of 964s. :-)
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy.. 964's are great!
The look... well that's a subjective thing isn't it? I think 993 looks better from the rear and 964 better from the front. But that's highly controversial. I showed your other comparison video 964 vs 993 to a friend and despite him being a hardcore car guy it was really tough for him to see any visual difference between the models, until he looked really hard. I think us Porsche enthusiasts are a different breed. For us there's a world of difference but not much to a guy from the street. Haha. Thanks for another great video.
Nice video - happily take either!
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
glad you enjoyed it!!
Great video
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!!
Nice one jack,would love either car up you can tune up the suspension any way you like,reckon the wife’s car has competition brakes from the way they squeal 😉
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha!! The supermarket GP?
Very desirable models,particularly I prefer 964 RS ,it looks insane.
@Number27
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy.. I do love a 964!!!
That should read, " Which is better? "‼️
If I were to track a daily I’d definitely go with adjustable suspension.
Surely those KW v3s could (should?) be softened off, for road work, quite easily? 993 does look too stiff, really.
Trying to identify those wheels on the 993. HRE?
Very Nice video! Maybe a dyno video? +300hp 964 (cup cams and induction) looks optimistic imho. Oke maybe power at the crank (not convinced)... I could be mistaken.
@Flat6_911
6 жыл бұрын
kris hey yeah, Jack missed quite a bit out on that description. The ‘induction kit’ also replaces the air flow sensor with a map sensor and has a stand-alone ecu with uprated injectors. Dyno read out when mapped was 305bhp.
@krishey7834
6 жыл бұрын
Ah oké. Makes Sense. I was allready confused why the car had bigger injectors :). Very nice setup you have there (compromise track/street). What ECU? :) Stiffer valve springs?
@Flat6_911
6 жыл бұрын
It's a setup developed by a UK company called 'Specialist Components'. ECU is a Typhoon 2. Valve springs are standard as rev limit only increased to 7000rpm and power was dropping off beyond that apparently. www.specialist-components.co.uk/index.php/shop/engine-management/posche-engine-management/porsche-911-964-management-kit.html
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
I see Stan has already answered! Thanks for watching
how about some reviews of rgup cars thats a very limited membership
Would be nice if you can find a real and non-modified RS of the two models and compare them.
NICE VIDEO! 964
@Number27
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Omar!’!!
😍😍
The 964 looks and sounds better. The 993 is a better engineered car. Toss a coin? Please replace "bits and bobs" with details. Love your videos.
nice one
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad you enjoyed the video!!
993 all the way even the looks in my book.
Nice video on "modified" Porsche's' but RS clones? No! :) The 964 is better for that with the Pss10 fitted, on a B road. 993 is nicely done with the sensible mods, but RS gear ratios make a lot of difference, especially on track. Btw, the steering wheel fitted to the 964 is the "clubsport" wheel from the 968.
@burnham7673
6 жыл бұрын
Shame the 993 only had a 3.6 too. Otherwise its practically the same!! :)
@Number27
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it buddy!
...where is the first 996 GT3?
The 993 is the better of the two. We all know that. It is who you're married to. The 964 is the sexy little thing in the office that you know damn well could probably ruin your life, but you've just got to have it,. I'm not married, so it's the 964 for me :-)
first of all to begin with no tweedledee tweedle dumb music!. good vid with normal road cars, i've just seen a brace of wide wheel arched chopped 911's at least here back to clean cars but RS modified bits & no contrived stories.
You need glasses if you cant see that the 993 is Far more superior in power and looks...
@truebetold65
2 жыл бұрын
Agree
Everything...except the engine, the transmission, the seam welding. Otherwise, it's an RS. lol
jules cesar
Not a good comparison. 964rs did not have 310hp and how can you have a decent 993rs clone without the 3.8 engine.
Poor old stan ......your car is .....
this 964 is not RS
@Number27
5 жыл бұрын
That’s why it says RS Clones in the title
'Which is better', Sprechen Sie English? :)
You forgot the 2.7! Here's my video with all three cars: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4mWptCOoZmaZ8Y.html
right hand drive looks awful!!
@Number27
5 жыл бұрын
No... it’s fine!! Thanks buddy and happy holidays 🎄
I’m surprised for an enthusiast and owner you have no respect for its proper pronunciation. There is an E on the end But you’d be the first ti call an Italian car properly. 😫😫😫