No way Rory is comfortable with his seatbelt like that but the car makes you forget that 😅

@GurinderSingh-uh6tv

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking same , that would drive me mad

I’ve always thought 911’s look too ordinary, but that GT3 just looks epic.

@WoTjolly

Жыл бұрын

They're meant to look ordinary and they're perfect as they are

@ronin120

Жыл бұрын

@@WoTjolly agreed! 75 years of perfecting that timeless look.

@gerardmcmillan8591

Жыл бұрын

And it is absolutely beautiful!

The GT3 with a manual might be the best car on sale

@user-qn6yt3zx3w

Жыл бұрын

@@MT-kx2uc same car, sans wing…

Loving these Alex/Rory track battles!

Easy decision. GT3!!!!

@JulianZwemer

Жыл бұрын

Very easy indeed! PORSCHE all day ❤❤

@henzo7087

Жыл бұрын

BMW anyday over VW

@jameswillard1

Жыл бұрын

There isn’t actually a decision to make here…….one is a garish looking, heavy as hell car that has zero finesse compared to the benchmark GT3

@zzhughesd

Жыл бұрын

Yeh. Shocking. Shocked. Should I be. Not really. Did expect BM be closer. It got mullered

@mred1341

Жыл бұрын

@@henzo7087 You’ll know one day if you ever own one, I understand it might be out of your league and that’s why you settle for a bmw, trust me I know

I love that you were on the top gear test track. This should be the top gear we have now. Maybe with Chris as well

I feel for you guys, always cold and raining. So hard to do track car reviews. Great job

@stefanocofresi3225

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Coming from car throttle I love to see Alex on the channel. Fills the whole in my heart.

Thank you for taking us along on this incredible adventure. Looking forward to more exciting content in the future!

Power/torque vs weight is one thing. But don't forget to consider aero drag, which the GT3 has more of it. This may be the main reason for the M4 being able to catch up with the GT3 on higher straightline speeds.

@gerardmcmillan8591

Жыл бұрын

It is the same with Turbo S vs the GT3.

This was the video I was waiting for! Awesome! 👍

Everything I see a video of these duo, I just like it first and then watch it…they are that good

That track 😢. So much memories.

@Under_Construction100

Жыл бұрын

Bro 😢😢😢

Nice vid, love the chemistry between rory and alex as well

33 seconds ago let's goooo.... I'll take the Porsche.

@V3LOCITY__

Жыл бұрын

@patrickbai4708I mean it doesn’t 😂 cheapest 992 GT3 is 189k. Cheapest M4 CSL 140k

@vr5lover

Жыл бұрын

​@Patrick Bai 280k?? You literally buy 3rs for 250k

Honestly, I’m here just to see more of the gt3

Auto trader’s got the best presenters…. I’m definitely getting both of these machines cuz I need both a tamed and untamed Rottweiler 😂😂

Great test! Can't remember any gen of GT3 losing duel, maybe except of 991 to 458 speciale. But to me it's always been Porsche.

AutoTrader is addictive! I love it!

M4 CSL in US marker now is $300,000 which is completely ludicrous!

@chiragnegi6276

Жыл бұрын

300 grand for that design and mediocre hrsprs

@rdab700

Жыл бұрын

It's a collectible that's why.

@QeeQee1

Жыл бұрын

@@rdab700 No collectible was ever a collectable at inception! Is a chaotic market deluged with new money!

@rdab700

Жыл бұрын

​@@QeeQee1 It's a limited edition CSL car. The CSL tag has a pedigree behind it. So yes a car can become a collectible from inception.

@mred1341

Жыл бұрын

@@rdab700 right lol

Yes, the GT3 is the better car but it costs twice as much in the US in today’s market. Not a really fair comparison. The 911 carrera GTS is the one to compare it to. Also I would love to see you guys test on dry roads for once…

@mightymallet5474

Жыл бұрын

someone commented that the CSL costs 300 grand 🤡

@jean-pierred1094

Жыл бұрын

@@mightymallet5474 $145,000 in the US with the optional paint. $140,000 without.

I actually had to throw my knickers in the bin after this shoot - ruined.

@AutoTraderTV

Жыл бұрын

Look closely… there appears to be toilet tissue in the 911 door pocket 😅

@pmr01

Жыл бұрын

How you gonna explain that to your husband hahaha

An absolute banger. Well done guys.

I know most reviewers put these two against each other, I don't believe it should be.

As long as you could actually get either of these I think the weight alone makes it an easy choice for me! GT3! But I’ve never driven the BMW so who knows for sure

Porsche are on top of the game in recent years. They just feel like they were designed from the outset to be a sports car, as opposed to a multi platform car that was designed to take the family to the zoo, supermarket, commuting etc as comfortably and cheaply as possible, but with sports car components and performance added to it.

Great review! Shame the UK press M4 CSL does not have the proper CSL seats in it. They make a difference (Once set up for you) and are far better than the Porsche "918" buckets, in my opinion (I own both). I don't think anybody would buy a CSL instead of a GT3, I have love how completely different they are to drive. The GT3 disappears around you, and it feels like you're flying along the road, whereas the CSL demands constant thought, mainly managing traction and speed, as on the road it's a LOT faster than the GT3 in real situations like 40 mph out of a tight corner into a short straight where the GT3 will hit 80 mph and the CSL is at 95 mph. Overtaking is more effortless with all the torque and less likely to offend people in the CSL as it is very quiet. The GT3 is much easier on its tires, I took my CSL on track (Thruxton) on worn Cup 2 R's, and it shredded the rears to the canvass in 7 laps, but wow, what a fun seven laps!

@Fastmetro

6 ай бұрын

Excellent honest owner view, thank you.

I am not sure who is gonna buy CSL over freaking GT3

@henzo7087

Жыл бұрын

BMW over VW beetle anyday

@HITthegymwithjkhman

Жыл бұрын

ℹ agreed with nimish

You 2 are a perfect "Top Tube" version!!

I am just impressed that we can now talk about a bmw and a porsche as real competitors, well done bmw for pushing a normal road car to GT3 standards I would go with the bmw just for its sheer driving pleasure and most importantly ITS A LIMITED ADDITION it may be expensive but compared to the GT3 it has better value for money

@benm.3994

Жыл бұрын

Hah the CSL is nowhere even close to the GT3. Limited or not, good luck with getting a GT3. And on the track the CSL will only see the rear end of the GT3 - and not for long

@user-qn6yt3zx3w

Жыл бұрын

I thought M3 vs GT3 was an age old grudge match. M3’s typically punch beyond their weight and 911’s from the 1996-2008 era were similarly priced in the used car market (thanks to all the m96/m97 engine issues).

@henzo7087

Жыл бұрын

@@benm.3994 Bullshit

perfect video guys

Auto Trader the new Top Gear? ;) Somehow with these 2 guys you have managed to bring a spark that has been missing from most review channels and even shows like TG

Clever edit there Autotrader to hide the GT3 leaving the tarmac @8:31 Even so, GT3 all day long. No question

Get these back on the track on a dry day.

Great review

Great video.

Love these 2

The Rory and Alex 'bromance' continues! Brilliant! Alex.... ''he didn't turn up that day''... and review of the BMW CSL is incredible. All or bloody nothing.... Still take the BMW simply as it will become a future classic. Cheers guys! More please!

@thomasferrarojr.9772

Жыл бұрын

Lol

Easy to choose between the two 💙

Which one generates the most error codes.

Great review. This may be a comparison of cars, but it certainly is not a comparison of pricing. CSL: $130,000, GT3 spec’s like the BMW? $220,000.

@roadreg1820

Жыл бұрын

You’ll pay nearly 200 for a GT3.. that’s if you can get one. People are paying almost double list for them. Not the M4 CSL. Also, the CSL is a limited run.

@HURundSoehneAG

Жыл бұрын

@@roadreg1820 This sounds pretty particular to the US. In Switzerland, the M4 CSL costs around 244,000 USD fully speced (list price) and the GT3 starts with a base price of 239,000 USD (list price), and yes you can find brand new GT3s at list price at dealers. The US is treated amazingly with list prices for German cars. They literally get all German cars cheaper than the German Market themselves. Just as a reference, the list price for the GT3 even in Germany is 211,000 USD. For even more reference, the starting price of a Turbo S in Germany is 269,000 USD while in the US the starting price is just 216,000 USD.

I went head to head in my f80 m3 against a 991 gt3rs today. He got me off the line, then I started to reel him in, over and over again.

great comparison, but you could buy two CSLs for the current market price of a 992 GT3. I think this needs to be addressed, as for $140k US there aren't really many better cars that you can actually buy at that price.

... staring at the twisted seatbelt... ಠ⁠_⁠ʖ⁠ಠ I would not complain about either of these. But one can't beat Porsches flat six. What a beautiful sound.

This track has just made me realise how much i miss The 3 Wisemen.

M3 (csl) that's the upgraded lightweight version, so not standard m3. Why use the normal standard GT3 and not the GT3 RS so it's based on race/track/driving performance?

@AutoTraderTV

Жыл бұрын

Price.

both cars are reference in its class. The sportscar is more expensiv...for a few thousand Dollars you can get a serial kit to catch exclusivly with this 4,80m long middle-class based car also this reference-sports-Car on driver-streets...

Again…fairly certain the M4 is not in Sport+ Mode. Can tell by stance. Not even unleashing its potential. It’s capped.

@YoRAHeem

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! He’s not running it in Sport+ or M1 Dynamic mode.

Bit of a knife to a gunfight moment!

The blue one won’t depreciate half as much

Comparing ASDA plunk with fine wine, rabbit and rat, Porsche GT3 and M4 Turbo on a generic saloon platform. The last BMW remains the e46 M3 CSL powered by M, naturally aspirated engine craftsmanship.

That short bloke is pretty good at this car thing 😉

The Shark Blue of the Porsche is just gorgeous.

I always wondered what the Lighthouse Family were up to these days...(?!)

You should've done a drag race as well.

@catchlive3994

Жыл бұрын

They did, previously video they did drag races and rolls

You add a lot more downforce from the wing ... just saying ;-)

Manuals are for investors or those too influenced by KZread videos. If you're focussed on the 'involvement' of a manual when out driving a GT3....... you're not doing it right. I'll keep a manual in my Caterham or old Peugeot 205 1.9 GTi, but in this? PDK, all the way.

Double wishbone is not new to sports cars. Why did it take them 50 plus years to catch up? It's kinda like not having lsd as a standard in their 911s.

Transformation 😍

I’m always confused by the comparison between the M4 CSL and GT3, besides the price (M4 CSL way too much but the GT3 will never be sticker). The M4 is a souped up saloon and the GT3 is a watered down race car… They don’t meet in the middle.

@premonemo

8 ай бұрын

Objectively the GT3 is the better car, anyone who buys the M4 CSL either wasn’t interested in the GT3 or already owns one.

Recognized that track in minutes, good it's still getting used

Oh look, another rainy day car review from the UK...

For sure it's a matter of brand preference so I'd take the bimmer 😁💪

Once I got a 997.2 GT3RS and that noise never left my ears again. A naturally aspirated Porsche engine sounds orgasmic.

I loves bmws alot but gt3 with manual if one of my dream cars❤

In the wet I wonder if you notice any difference between the CSL and a Competition

Comparing a purpose built sports car with a tuned 4 series doesn't seem like a fair deal. The only thigt these cars have in common is the price

Good Channel

cars that are not within $10K of each other, should not be in a comparison test. No one cross shops a GT3 with a M4CSL

Lap times?

You got to hand it over to BMW for being able to turn a full size luxury coupe into performance car that can keep up with a GT3 . It never stood a chance vs a rear mounted engine sports car .

These are the price?! Criminal

Rory and Alex are great together

Is there a single person in the world who would take a M4cs over a GT3?!!

Likable reviewers, but a "track battle" in the pouring rain? And the M4 isn't even in the same class as the GT3. Still a bit fun to watch

Basically, if you’ve got the money for a Porsche, get the Porsche 😊

csl isn't a track car it's a handling focused road car that is capable on track. Track cars have wings and diffusers. Waste of time if you aren't maximizing aero.

Taking the GT3 3very day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Just because you have 2 cars on the same day does not mean they should be compared... the GT3 is in a league of its own.

Double wishbone suspension has been around forever, Porsche stick it on the front of their beetle and they’re geniuses 😂

@joshreynolds729

Жыл бұрын

The vw beetle was a pos and drove like crap, looked even worse. The 60s edition was the only one made that was decent but even then it was slower than a toad.

@CLSTRN911

Жыл бұрын

Ahahaha you are so funny 😂 double wishbone from the RSR lemans race car and guess what ? The beetle destroy 98% of the supercars with 700hp+ on the track. There is more than just having the name double wishbone Porsche hater

@edmurth

Жыл бұрын

@@CLSTRN911 not another keyboard warrior, it’s a joke you clown. And if had a brain you’d understand the reference to calling a 911 a beetle on that track. Nice work there though, getting defensive for an huge car manufacturer, I’m sure Porsche are relieved you’ve got their back 😂🤡 700hp? You’re clearly a subject matter expert, not 🤡

@joshreynolds729

Жыл бұрын

@@CLSTRN911 I don’t hate Porsche 🤣. I hated the Beatles, specifically the newer ones. Never said the double wish bone was bad nor did I say that Porsche isn’t accomplished in racing and sports cars along with handling. But the beatle was a chicks car all of them. Yeah sure you can make them fast but really that’s mainly due to weight. But it’s not on that stock motor that it comes with 🤣.

@CLSTRN911

Жыл бұрын

@@joshreynolds729 nooo the comment was not for you 💀

No race? No lap times? This wasn' track battle..

@AutoTraderTV

Жыл бұрын

Too wet for hot laps, sorry. The track was pretty dangerous.

@jaysparrow6631

Жыл бұрын

@@AutoTraderTVI say my fellow good man; you know what we want but went ahead with a wet track anyway!!! Sad times 😢

I won't be disappointed if I don't see any more videos of Alex. In fact, I probably won't watch any if he is in them.

@declanminoli5361

Жыл бұрын

He is really annoying

Splendid review.

Early bird catches the worm LETS GO

i really hope to afford one gt3 in the future, i really really want that car, good luck to myself.

Porsche PDK vs BMW 8AT is not both losing. There’s a CLEAR winner lol

130 pounds for a gt3, cars are like double the price of the CSL in the US lol

M4 cls is excellent but I prefer 911 gt3 👌🏻

When you say track battle I expect times to be measured. This was just a review. Pick up the game lads.

I like seeing Rory by himself

M4 csl all day, the will be another gt3, but m not certain that the will be another m4csl n its more unique its like nothing in the road

Of course the GT3 would prevail. It was predictable but... for the M4 CSL to get this close! Hats off to BMW!

Csl means coupe Sport lightweight 🤓

GT3!!!

Drive that thing Rory! Hmmm hmm!

If I were to pick one right now I would pick the Porsche GT3 RS over the BMW. BMW makes great cars but Porsche 911 has my ❤.

Porcsche all the way every day. What a machine.

I'm a BMW enthusiast but this isn't a competition. Its a GT3 which maybe the best overall car made. Dude come on.

It's a privelage if you can own either one of them.

Always raining in uk😆

I take the M4 any day!!