Nick, you're wrong about the GTS not being technically different from the S. The GTS gets a bespoke tuned chassis with the Turbo's rear helper springs. It also gets the Turbo's brakes.

You made S owners worldwide feel warm inside with this video.

A solid 5/10 this video 😄

Always straight to the point, love it. Came for the M4 stayed for the Porsche. Thanks Nick!

You got a shout out the latest SavageGeese 911 Turbo review haha

@spaulagain

3 жыл бұрын

Lol ya I busted out laughing when they said that

@Beer_Dad1975

3 жыл бұрын

Gonna have to go watch that now...

@EdD-ym6le

3 жыл бұрын

Good video . Those guys do a good job .

@mikeymonty

3 жыл бұрын

Nick you sure did!!

@pepe8196

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah flattering pic of Nick too

Tremendously helpful. Thanks Nick.

the high-minded, men of many fancy words at the big car mags and blogs have never, ever come up with such Shakespearean-level genius as comparing a car to a cold Filet O Fish! Bravo!!!

Outstanding Nick. Clearing up the waiting list fantasy and the GTS +/-. Super clear. Thx

Porsche: "Stock just went down again because of Nick Murray!"

I have waited 2 years for this (with Depo paid!)…. You are so spot on. Great Chanel. Will stick with my high spec C2S slot. 2 more months to wait.

One of THE most helpful videos ever on KZread. Thanks Nick!

nick is to gts models like ronaldo is to coca cola

Great info Nick, thank you!

These reviews are great! Honest and real life situations for choosing options.

“Give me that filet o fish.. give me that fish”

@doug350zTT

3 жыл бұрын

i feel better about my lowly S now

@FlyingZeroAGL

3 жыл бұрын

@@doug350zTT l feel better about buying that Fillet-of-Fish back in January when they were ON SALE!

Here in Germany some people now bought the 911 992 GT3 and this model is a really beast. It looks so great (with or without the spoiler) and it drive so good. It is totally in the middle of a GT3RS and a GT2RS. I hope you have a chance to test it. Have a nice day!

love these videos. so informative and knowledgable

Love the vid. Thanks for posting Nick.

I agree with you Nick on this one. Interesting that you have the same opinion of my 2021 Macan GTS as I do. I love it. Great review as always. Thanks

I would've happily bought a 992 GTS with the 4.0L NA engine and less HP than what they're offering. I'm with Nick and the "less is more approach." I even think my 992 Carrera has too much power to really wring out and enjoy sometimes. I'm really really hoping they offer a Carrera T with the 4.0L and a manual transmission. 🤞

@pjay3028

3 жыл бұрын

No chance of that!

@Loekie-de-leeuw

3 жыл бұрын

Never going to happen with emission regulations around the world. Also a ‘cheap’ manual GTS with NA engine would smash the gt3 touring sales.

@blairpringle2475

2 жыл бұрын

I am sure that's exactly what the 911T will be. Andreas Preuninger stated at the 718 gt4/spyder launch at Goodwood, that the Gt4 motor "will be in something else" It cost too much money to design and build to not use it more. Also that it is a super clean motor and will pass EU smog regs for years to come. the only car that would make sense is a T. So save some money Ryan.

@pjay3028

2 жыл бұрын

@@blairpringle2475 unfortunately, Dr Frank-Steffen Walliser has stated it definitely won't ever be fitted in a 911. It will only go in Boxster and Cayman models.

“Haaarsh Caaarrr ta driiiive” - Nick the Kiwi

Totally agree. Rob Ferreti (sp?) showed the special lug wrench needed for the center lug nut wheels on his rental Ferrari. It was enormous, he could barely lift it! But it actually was stored in the trunk (and took up a huge amount of space).

@ThorsteinKlingenberg

3 жыл бұрын

Enormous? Come on. You need to tighten 600nm. Mine goes to 800nm and while it is a bit long it's not too heavy. Swapping wheels would be a lot easier than 5-lugs if it wasn't for the cleaning and re-applying of alu paste. It's totally worth it though, with the peace of mind of not ever worrying of having a loose wheel after swapping pads on the track or similar.

Wow.. Many thanks, finally a straight talking honest review, as you see it. really helpful advice. many thanks again.

you were about togo on a rant about alcantara but you decided to not go there haha. I feel you though

@mrautomatic7293

3 жыл бұрын

Alcantara is horrible for daily cars. I have DINAMICA (mercedes version of Alcantara) on my C Coupe steering wheel and it gets absolutely ruined after only a few thousand miles of "daily driving." One rainy day with wet hands and ur entire steering wheel gets ruined

@Brett7777

2 жыл бұрын

I do not get the whole Alcantara deal. Looks nice on roof or leather and alcantara mix on seats. Give me leather on my steering wheel. Leather all way for me.

I thought it was a good, straightforward video. Nicely done, as usual.

I absolutely love my GTS, it’s a lifer

@JUFFAIR101

2 жыл бұрын

Is it PDK or Manual?

@trekintech473

2 жыл бұрын

@@JUFFAIR101 PDK - awaits the tribal responses 🤣

I love your honesty, keep it up!

I'm a new car dealer retired... I really like the way you strategize... I owned a 1978, 911 SC... Loved that car...

My theory is that they realized a badass NA gts would be the only Carrara anyone would want.

@02hreblue30

3 жыл бұрын

had a 991.1. just not that fast. Nice car but really nothing that quick

@KarlkEst

3 жыл бұрын

@@02hreblue30 old 718 GTS vs 4.0 are similar power but for some reason people prefer the latter one.

@Scorpio1075

3 жыл бұрын

For a brand that's built its reputation around racing and sports cars, Porsche sure does shy away from producing the best sports cars they can build and then selling them in high volume.

@jstoli996c4s

3 жыл бұрын

Anyone, meaning you. Turbo GTS is awesome.

@ashman0071

2 жыл бұрын

word

The 3.8l turbo s engine isnt trash! It sounds better than the 991.2 and also better than the normal 911, 992 Modells! It also feels fantastic and everything, you have to try it out

Nick I think you miss the point of the GTS ‘trim’ model IMHO. Because the options are ‘baked’ into the base price it works better on a lease / PCP plan because your don’t toast your $13-20k options during your ownership. The final value of the vehicle will still reflect the higher base spec. Thereby reducing your monthly cost for the popular options. Porsche would still like you to add some options that you buy/then they resell to next owner for extra profit. That is why the best value 911 is always a base Carrera with minimum options (and the purest feel).

Thanks Nick, for driving so many away from the GTS...now hopefully I wont have to pay ADM!

You're a unicorn in the Porsche buyer's circle Nick. At least in my area, most are 65+ and spring for the highest badge tier they can afford. Then they drive under the speed limit on the seaside causeway.

@NickMurray

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like 99%

How nice of William sharing his colour shampoo with his feeder.

This guy makes sense in every sense!

You missed the fact that it's a 911 turbo chassis and double-wishbone front suspension.

Growing out your hair…this means the Taycan is coming!

You nail it!!!!

Great review as always Mr Murray. The 992 GTS does look great, but I think you're right that it's a struggle to see the value. More input from William wouldn't be amiss.

Hi Nick, thank you for sharing the info on the other GTS models. I am in complete 100% agreement on the shitty upgrades for the 992 GTS. I bought a 2016 991.1 GTS CAB. It was an amazing car because it was the last of the non-GT 911 cars. The sound was spectacular!!! Hated the center-lock “black” wheels. Had 3 nails in tires, (always a different tire). Mr. tire bought new parts to attempt to repair the wheel and 3 huge guys could not get the center-lock rim undone. So I patched the tire while on the rim. The other two nails in tires required the car to be flat-bed across town an hour away where Porsche made me buy new (and very expensive) tires. Unfortunately that car was totaled (hit head-on by a dually-pickup truck), a whole another story. I will never buy a Porsche again with black rims nor with center-lock rims. I ordered a 2019 991.2 Turbo S without center-lock rims and had to fight big time to not get the normal center-lock wheels. I bet that I am the only car like that. Had to go all the way up with senior Porsche leaders to get my configuration. It helped that this was my 17th Porsche. For the record the 991.1 GTS Cabriolet’s three airbags saved my life. Took me a year to recover from the accident to include leg, knee, neck & low back spinal surgeries. In 19 months only put on 1200 miles in my Guards Red 911 Turbo S. Best Porsche ever for me. Also looking to order a 718 SPYDER or 718 Boxster GTS. Want to get the NA engine and go back and for between the SPYDER and Turbo. PS: Race-deck / Alcontara

I bought a 991.2 4GTS in a lovely metallic grey-blue. And it is fantastic. Having compard it to a 992S, the GTS is superior in every way. Read the reviews on KZread. Over the moon and right on.

@ak203

2 жыл бұрын

what did it have that the S din't have?

@oeiras99

2 жыл бұрын

@@ak203 991.2 model 2018, the GTS has more HP than the S, 450 to 420, and more torque. Wide body only, with more aggressive styling, it goes 0 to 100 kph in 3.6 seconds. It is 2 cm lower than the standard 911 with PASM and PDCC, turbo wheels with center lock in black, sports chrono package. Porsche throws a lot of its best options at the GTS which makes it a bargain, for Porsche. Generally it is a more luxurious car, with more features standard. An S+, between the S and the Turbo.

Thanks Nick, always a great review, keep well.

Used to have the Same opinion (same as Nick) about GTS trim till I moved from 991.1S to a 991.1 GTS.. totally different car. Even had it checked out by dealer because of how different/better it drove. Was worried Previous owner added aftermarket bits. Better steering, better traction, better sound especially near redline (compared to 991.1 S with SC)

@chris-eccohealthcare

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree I was exactly the same, PDK is far sharper that the last 991 c2s I had. Much prefer the NA engine to the 3.0T

The GTS does also get a "bespoke suspension set-up, derived from the 911 Turbo". (According to Autocar). Let's drive it first before you draw any conclusions. It might share some characteristics with a Turbo (with a manual though).

@danielp8655

2 жыл бұрын

Glad someone pointed this out. Reviews of people who have driven it say that the suspension differences make this much better to drive than the S. The 992 turbo is known for feeling closer to a 991 gt3 steering and turn in so this is excellent news. Porsche finally realized they made massive mistakes when changing the GTS to smaller engines. My dad had a 2013 cayenne gts with the V8 and when the new one came out with the v6 he went to Mercedes for a v8 SUV. same with the cayman, no one wants to spend 100 grand plus on a v6 suv or 4 cylinder sports car. Glad they came around (I’m sure the sales, or lack there of, spoke for themselves).

@NickMurray

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes the 'Turbo chassis' can someone point out even one thing that is different between the S chassis and the GTS? Nope. More Porsche marketing fun.

@Raven77844

Жыл бұрын

@@NickMurray he didnt say chassis was different..the suspension has been pulled from the Turbo.

@davids8151

Жыл бұрын

Nick waits till he reads what they say on Motor Trend before he comments. I don’t think he understands that the turbos are different on different models either.

@Raven77844

Жыл бұрын

@@davids8151 he also doesn't do enough research to realize when journalists spoke with Porsche engineers they mentioned they actually developed the 911 GTS FRIST then detuned the engine and revised it for the S.

Maybe they will put the GTS 4.0 engine in a future T version? 🧐 They missed an opportunity! Totally agree

@minimumtrade

3 жыл бұрын

If they put it in a Carrera T, they can limited edition it and only make it available with the manual transmission.

Me everytime a new Nick Murray video comes out... 💃🎉

Like others have said, the turbo derived sport suspension, helper springs and turbo steel brakes are worth some extra $$$ in your calculations. 👍 😊

@adriangalambosi1904

2 жыл бұрын

Do no forget, the chassis from the turbo too.

the only honest review on youtube about new 911.

A dealer called the other day, offering me an allocation on a 911 GTS. 10 % over MSRP. I declined, as I'm completely happy with my 992 S. The 4% discount I received when I ordered didn't seem that great at the time, but looking better all the time. Keep making great videos. Love them.

Good analysis and spot-on especially the GTS wheels! I did drive the 991.2 GTS on Porsche's Barber track in Alabama, and it seemed much quicker than my 991.1 S. But would I give up my naturally-aspirated gem though, never!

The boys at Rennlist are having a hissy fit over this video.

I own a Carrera S, and I love it. It's the perfect car for me.

So much sense - unusual, LOL! But great stuff Nick.

Totally agree! The Cayman GTS 4.0 is the only Porsche sports car I would purchase out of the entire current lineup.

$5 on the GTS sticker🤣🤣🤣

Bravo Nick for the wonderful reviews. Love your wit and you can totally be Jim Gaffigin of the auto world! Hello from a packed MTR in HK

I ordered 4S (coming in a few month) and was very interested in what kind of package they were gonna put on the GTS. After cofiguring the GTS, I ened up having the same thought as you do. I have no regrets! I like the fact that I have more freedom to choose options on S models (i hate black wheels). Great video as always!

@barrak911

2 жыл бұрын

Am at the same spot, need your thoughts on your 4S

Always informative, entertaining...and great haircut.

Nick, what is wrong with you? The GTS offers a list of options with a discount. The larger turbo and GTS label is just a marketing gimmick. That is perfectly ok. It’s an S with a few more bells and whistles! I drive one in Switzerland and I love all my little extra’s. Daily city-trip or Alpine-tracks during the weekend? All TOP! Long live the GTS!!

I think having the Turbo centre lock wheels and Turbo brakes will be a selling point for some over the S. And you can option the leather interior, so no race-tex! If you did want a new S now, you’re pretty late in the model cycle, so those who want an S would surely be better off to wait for a 992.2 S.

@02hreblue30

3 жыл бұрын

center locks BLOW for the street. Total pain in the ass.

@Superbustr

10 ай бұрын

The 992.2 will probably be a hybrid drivetrain with no manual option. So you are probably best not to wait if an electric 911 is not your thing.

When going through my due process prior to ordering a 911, centerlock wheels were a no for the reasons Nick outlined, that and a few other items led me to a C4S. Would have loved to have had the rear seat delete because the 911 rear seat is a waste and the delete option looks proper. As Nick also covered, there was a Sport Package option available on the .2 S that was a decent value, also took that. Some time after I took delivery of my S, found out from the the Barber Porsche Experience personnel that regular nut and bolt wheels could be ordered on the 991.2 GTS, their fleet GTS cars had them. Go figure.

408 mm not 480 - u also forgot the helpersprings on the back from the turbo :)

@RS7evenSLDR

3 жыл бұрын

408mm rotors are still pretty massive. 😂

Very insightful. I agree with your take on the 992.1 GTS. It is a missed opportunity. As a guy who tried to daily a 991.2 manual GT3, I agree that it is a bit of a pain (especially with carbon bucket seats). I would have gone out and bought a GTS with a detuned GT3 engine for sure.

@smilepermile8165

3 жыл бұрын

I like the idea of a detuned 4.0 GT3 engine, but I have a feeling that it would've crawled into the footsteps of the GT3 Touring that got revealed last week.

Porsche needs to hire "Nick -Below Average- Murray" for 911 GTS development.

Great video as always nick ! I would say the 991.2 gts is actually faster than a gt3 on my local track. They have better mid range torque to power out of tight hairpins and big enough turbo for top speed. So i would say it’s a bargain for track rats like me, I can save some cash for tires/brakes etc for the track comparing to gt3.

@atthewheels850

2 жыл бұрын

I had a chance to drive a second Gen GT3 a while back and absolutely loved it, BUT, I just bought a 991.2 GTS and have to say it’s a better ROAD car. It has exceptional, usable power, it’s less harsh, it’s comfortable, and it handles amazingly well for a primarily road going car. I live in CT, so I may have to drive down to Fairfield County and fist fight Nick over his GTS hatred 👊🏻😆🥴

Biggest selling point on the 997.2 and 991 GTS models for me was that you could have the wider rear end from the AWD-models in the rear wheel driven GTS. Now that all 992s have the same body, the GTS is redundant imo.

Nick, I agree... after you have tested it for a few days 😉

Nick, you forgot the emotions... a GTS sounds better then the S, but you make all the S owners happy; have you ever driven one in the meantime?

I prefer the red tail lights.

Imo they should've given it a gts only front bumper like on the previous gts models...

Nick has obviously had a drink.

Funny Own the current Cayenne S and drove the new GTS model and besides the engine sound and the V8 I honestly think the 2.9 twin turbo is amazing and more the enough power for the Cayenne . Was expecting so much more and was a bit disappointed and keeping my S for sure! Great video Nick!

It does have the turbo s suspension so it should drive/handle differently

Looking good Nick, you have lost some weight!

totally agree. parts bin special

Where would you rate a 992 T on your scale? i.e. if they do the same thing as last time.

Love the gts and all the options.. If it had N/A engine it would take away from GT3.

The most exciting GTS Porsche currently makes is the 4.0L 718 models. Everything else is just lipstick on pigs.

@nafnaf0

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, the 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 and Cayman GTS 4.0 are great cars. Per Nick 4:14 "arguably the best car in the entire Porsche range". I agree

@PapiAndrey

3 жыл бұрын

The 4.0 from the Gt3 takes the cake, not the 4.0 from the 718. All of their motors are awesome, even the 2.0 and 2.5 flat, don’t expect it to be exactly the same as the previous 6 cylinder because that’s clearly not what it is. The 3.0 flat 6 is also a fantastic engine, you would know this if you’ve driven one before.

@dp2901

3 жыл бұрын

@@PapiAndrey Forgot about the GT3. A little out of my price range new. Drove the 2.0 and 2.5L 718s as extended loaners. Power delivery was awesome and on par with my 1M on boost but the personality of the car seemed off. I can't wait to test the 4L 718. I own a 981S so I know the flat 6 is amazing.

@PapiAndrey

3 жыл бұрын

@@dp2901 ahh I see, I honestly think the flat 4’s sound good with a catless downpipe and a proper exhaust, reminds me of a v8 a little. For a stock car, I agree, but I like to modify cars so maybe that’s why I think the motor isn’t so bad and I’d actually want to hear it. That said, you still can’t compare the sound to their glorious flat 6, wouldn’t even be fair

@dp2901

3 жыл бұрын

@@PapiAndrey Nothing like a modded WRX on a track. Total eye-opener for me! Still hoping to try a Focus RS which is another brilliant one. So many cars, so little time LOL.

Nick; your videos are worth to watch just for your tshirts!!!! you are a great man! cheers

That was great! Thanks for talking us down. Why am I hungry for McDonald’s? Also , I miss seeing Tui!

Have a Panamera GTS 2021. Amazing. You are absolutely right. I’ll keep my 911 991.1 s with natural aspirated 400 hp. 100% in agreement

Well researched…lots of little detail infos I didn’t know 😱

Nick, THANK YOU!

I was mostly ready to finally pull the trigger on a Porsche. Base Carrera, manual trans, sports seats, sport chrono, no sunroof, gentian blue, and no further options...and then, no-more manuals on the base car. Seems like there's always a push to spend more, when less is actually more. Wonder if they will add manual transmission back to the base car. I'm not holding my breath.

@brad2064

3 жыл бұрын

They will likely bring back the 911T. Fingers crossed it gets the 4.0 from the GT4.

@stephenfoster6940

3 жыл бұрын

Brad Wow - we've reached the point where putting a Cayman/Boxster engine in a 911 seems like a good idea! 👍

@gtb5

3 жыл бұрын

No manual option on base must be at least S for manual.

@jaydenatale

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, the base with manual would be ideal and I bet most buyers would increase the purchase of options bringing the price just below a S. Could be a win for all...

Love the candor of all of your videos, could you also talk about the newly announced GT3 Touring, is it worth it?

Good video Nick, I think Porsche will never detune the 4.0 naturally aspirated engine from the GT3 for the '911 GTS 4.0', as it will take away sales from the just-announced 992 GT3 Touring. Detuning that engine may make that hypothetical '911 GTS 4.0' be slower to accelerate than the Carrera Ss (even though you and I couldn't care at all about those statistics).

@02hreblue30

3 жыл бұрын

wrong. They sell all the GT3s they make at premiums. Ridiculous assumption

@smilepermile8165

3 жыл бұрын

@@02hreblue30 You have no idea how much those 4.0 GT3 engines cost. They can't fit them in a cheaper model and still make profit. You can't read at all.

The suspension is bespoke on the GTS. Its different than the S. It also has revised front and rear sway bars and has helper springs on the rear. Larger steel brakes taken from the Turbo model Where did you get your facts from Nick?

I think the gts is amazing looks awesome

Oh, yes, this great insight :)

As you said, they should have put in detuned gt3 engine in it. I hope they do so with 992.2 the same way they changed from turbo to n/a with 718 gts

Couldn’t agree more! Review an RS5(B9/9.5) would love to hear your thoughts on it!

Great video Nick, very interesting

Just traded my 991.2 GT3 for the 992 C4 GTS here in Vancouver. Next time you come up feel free to take it for a spin and review.

Thank you Nick for once again affirming that the current Macan GTS offers the best value of the line.

Totally agree about the Pan GTS. Absolutely love mine. As for the 992, I'd go S over GTS.

I personally want the GTS because of those centre-locks. No bloke will be able to steal those wheels

The Cayman GTS models are superb simply best car I have ever driven or owned........ On paper doesn't appear that much different but in reality damn its perfection..... I owned 458, Maserati GT, Ferrari F12, now GT2RS and drove seversl cars like Aventador GT3 and many others....... My favorite daily car from them all is 981 GTS, favorite weekend car is GT2RS

Thanks Nick another great video. I’m about to submit for an allocation on a Carrera S W/PTS, would love to get your thoughts.

You hit the bullseye with this post. I’m waiting on a 992S. To kill some time waiting on chips, yesterday I played around with GTS configurator . Not impressed and I hate the sport front and back ends. My dealer offered me a GT3 Touring a week ago. I told him for a 30K dealer add on it was not worth it. Without the dealer markup I would not have gotten it. I think the sweet spot for me is still the 992S. Thanks again. Oh yes, what is it with people’s love affair with Alcantera? Almost like getting a picture of Elvis painted on velvet!

Triggered by Alcantara! - Well done video. I literally could feel the pain caused by people that just buy hp these days through the screen. That was again emotional!