Hope you enjoyed this one as much as I did! Has this opened up some inspiration for you, too??

@simonminay5177

5 ай бұрын

So this is basically a pendulum wave form over the selected notes. I've been saying there needs to be a plugin which can do this easier. I believe there is a guy working on this, whether it will become a vst plugin is another matter, but I found his channel explores this musical device in great detail: www.youtube.com/@LucidRhythms

@MrBrownAlliance

5 ай бұрын

saw this last week on the tube, think VR took inspiration from another producer...

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

I think, so@@MrBrownAlliance - and such is the nature of inspiration! A wonderful phenomenon

@CM-xr9oq

5 ай бұрын

@@simonminay5177 I was this on kzread.info/dash/bejne/a4iNj8unk9PYk9Y.html as well

@Poetic-Culture

5 ай бұрын

You never emailed me

My mind stopped when VR dropped that track

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Super nice, right? 🤯

@NullScar

4 ай бұрын

Same..

Polyrhythms are so hard to make but are so satisfying

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more :) There are several ways to make the process easier (as I've been told in the comments)

@NonJohns

4 ай бұрын

there's a video called "How to make a Pendulum Wave Sequence" recreating the VR video with a pretty neat technique, and VR made a comment saying that's exactly what he did now... if VR used the technique... surely its a good one

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing, I will check it out

@myrcyrofficial

Ай бұрын

How r they hard to make

@zebraforceone

Ай бұрын

I wrote a script to make them if your comfortable using the CLI and TS I'll share it

With little programming knowledge this can be easily automated ;) Less than 20 lines of python code will do the trick. Following code will create a midifile with similar effect. from midiutil import MIDIFile # MIDI note numbers, C major notes = [60, 62, 64, 65, 67, 69, 71, 72] offset = -0.01 # modifying this will change how fast the timing diverges sweeps = 100 noteduration = 0.1 # midifile midi = MIDIFile(1) # track, time, tempo midi.addTempo(0, 0, 100) for j in range(sweeps): for i, pitch in enumerate(notes): # track, channel, pitch, time, duration, volume midi.addNote(0, 0, pitch, j * (1 + i * offset), noteduration, 1) with open("arpeggio.mid", "wb") as output_file: midi.writeFile(output_file)

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Great, thank you for sharing, I am sure someone will find it helpful 🙂

@Kioselis

4 ай бұрын

@@EDMTipsThe most polite, thanks, but i aint fucking with that i've ever seen.

@KayButtonJay

4 ай бұрын

This is really simple python. You could learn how to run it and import results like… 10 minutes

@CHJ_3

3 ай бұрын

As a Computer Science minor, I found this code very easy to understand.

VR is just next level

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Hell yeah! 🙌🏻

@jonas8732

4 ай бұрын

ckeck out Mir Bill and Encanti in case you dont know them

@hi_its_jerry

3 ай бұрын

one of the most creative minds in edm for sure

polyrhythms are so damn satisfying man

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

100% man! You can't help but feel immersed when you're listening to them!

I have to say, while I might not go make a piece like this, I am glad I watched. It was so fun watching how stoked you were getting while making it (after the tedious part). That's a big lesson right there: savor the joy of experimentation and discovery! Or more generally: don't forget to have some fun along the way. Thanks for sharimg your delight; it goes so well with the knowledge bombs.

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely! Enjoying the process is the key 🙂🙌🏻🙏🏻

@Raylative

4 ай бұрын

Well said.

Awesome video and explanation Will! When I saw the original my mind was blown, but it actually seems decently simple!

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed! :)

yeah, this was beautiful dude. Love it!

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Virtual riot is truly a genius with music production and sound design. He’s on a whole other level.

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Couldn’t agree more! 🙂

Excellent job, the sounds are on point, and even the weird reverb and detune effect he did when switching beats. Can't stress enough how much I liked this video. Much love from Mexico

@EDMTips

Ай бұрын

Ah, cheers! I am really glad you liked it 🙂🙌🏻

Nice thanks!! So much potential behiend this! Expacially in psytrance

@EDMTips

2 ай бұрын

I agree!

Usually I'm sort of annoyed how most things are explained as arpeggiator, now IT IS a simple arpeggiator with (possible) an extra parameter... and it's gets a whole dang video. Amazing.

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for the comment!

Thanks. A slightly faster way is to change the order in which you make the polyrhythm. 1. First complete the lines in an octave/chord. 2. Select all those lines and copy to new octave. 3. shift right the new octave the number of notes in the chord. 4. select the first notes and shift left the number of notes in the chord. 5. repeat from 2.

@EDMTips

Ай бұрын

Great tip, thank you for sharing!

Amazing work man

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the support!

love this

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Cheers, glad you liked it! Have you seen the original video by VR?

it's so cool man. Just nomal sound become all of the rythyms of all track. I f*king loveeee itt

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Indeed! haha It's just so cool to hear the patterns change over time! Glad you enjoyed it!

As soon as I experienced VR's video for the first time my mind was blown, hadn't heard of polyrhythms like that before. I even put the song on repeat while elevated and slept with it on lol Seeing you recreate it was such a fun watch, I love your enthusiasm and was smiling for pretty much the entire video 🤣 11/10, thank you for showing us the process!

@EDMTips

Ай бұрын

You're welcome, I am glad you enjoyed this one! I certainly had fun making it :)

Thank you so much for your exceptional explanation of this concept. I'm going to put this to very good use I hope :D

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Love to hear that! Really glad it was helpful! Good luck! :)

Thank You for the video, the demonstration, the explanations ^_^

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

You're welcome, hope you enjoyed it! 🙂

This was a big thing in the Reason community for like 15 - 20 years ago. And I remember I saw a video for about 10 years ago when someone did this in FL Studio. I think the FL Studio guy created a poly bar with the right length for every note and then just duplicated the bar. He just wrote how many copies he wanted and hit Enter. If I remember correctly.

You can use the midi stretch handles at the top of the piano roll to do this a lot quicker

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Appreciate the input!

@Grant82gc

4 ай бұрын

and this is how it is actually done by VR

This method of polyrhythm is fascinating. I actually incorporate polyrhythms in my music frequently

This video is really cool. The Polyrhythm is crazy.

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yeah, it was really fun to just hit play and tweak the settings :)

@you-know-its-dog.

5 ай бұрын

idk you could probably do it on FL Studio, too thats what i use @@EDMTips

I saw that video and thought of you man lol Crazy that you made a video on it now

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Haha pleased to know you thought of me! Here it is!😁

I must imagine virtual riot probably did this by coding a program that just spits out a midi file. Would be a pretty simple task.

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Maybe for them but since my coding knowledge is non-existent, I went a different way :)

I got a feeling that polyrhythmic piece would be easier to setup using a modular synth. Single note, with LFOs and delays to generate the chords and vary the offsets maybe?

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Oh interesting approach! Great input!

This is unbelievable.....!!!!!!!!! 😯😯😯😯😯

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

It's truly mind blowing!😁

That's fireeeeeeeeee

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

You bet! Cheers man! :)

A MIDI Effects Rack with multiple chains of unsynced arpeggiator with rate control mapped to a single macro adjusted to a different range for each chain could have made the job easier.

@EDMTips

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the rip! I wanted to do it the hard way :)

ooooooh I'm glad I hung on ...amazing!!!!!

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for your comment! Happy to hear! :)

Notes at the end are curved because the timing difference between note 1 and 2 is the same as the difference between 2 and 3 and so on. It can be fixed if you generate the midi file with some python code: from mido import * barLength = 120*4*4 numOfBars = 57 lastTimeToPlay = barLength * (numOfBars - numOfBars/114) # = 57.5 noteLength = barLength*3/16 # Here you can Modify which notes are Played for example 59 and is B2 is played 114 times within the 57 Bars. # 57 is 2 semitones lower so A2 and is played 113 times. noteIncidence = [(59, 114), (57, 113), (55, 112), (53, 111), (52, 110), (50, 109), (48, 108), (47, 107), (45, 106), (43, 105), (41, 104), (40, 103), (38, 102), (36, 101)] notesTimings = [] for (note, incidence) in noteIncidence: for k in range(incidence): notesTimings.append((note, (k * lastTimeToPlay) / (incidence - 1), True)) notesTimings.append((note, (k * lastTimeToPlay) / (incidence - 1) + noteLength, False)) notesTimings = sorted(notesTimings, key=lambda note: note[1]) track = MidiTrack() timePassed = 0 for (note,time,b) in notesTimings: delta = round(time-timePassed) if b: track.append(Message('note_on', channel=0, note=note, velocity=80, time=delta)) else: track.append(Message('note_off', channel=0, note=note, velocity=80, time=delta)) timePassed += delta track.append(MetaMessage('end_of_track', time=round(barLength*numOfBars))) newMidiFile = MidiFile() newMidiFile.tracks.append(track) newMidiFile.save('polyrhythm.mid')

Just attempting to recreate the track requires some serious patience and brainpower

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

100%! It's worth it though!

BRILLIANT! My nerdy brain loves this. It would be cool to transpose the whole sequence mid song.

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Why not! haha Glad to hear you enjoyed it! :)

When I first listened to that original video, I thought my brain was melting

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

😁 I know the feeling

Yeah it blew my mind as well. The guy is a master.

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Indeed he is!

Danm nice man

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Cheers mate!

Uh, YUY. I put that track on repeat for 4 days. 😯😯

@EDMTips

3 ай бұрын

Oh dear!

You can generate the midi patterns just by writing a little bit of code and that way you save a lot of time...

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

I wish I could code but I had to do it the old school way 🙂

The reason why Virtual Riot used multiple channels for the polyrhythms is because Serum only has a polyphony of 16 channels (8 in your case). Otherwise it just cuts the first note when another note is played

@EDMTips

3 ай бұрын

Interesting, thanks for sharing!

🎉

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Cheers, hope you enjoy! 😊

2:18 is the entire song in fraction of a second lol.

@EDMTips

3 ай бұрын

Cheers!

I hope to see someone speedrun this in a short like one of those hip hop beats

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Great idea! I might attempt it :)

Parts of that remind me of: Origin unknown - valley of the shadows. Must be the saw-wave synth.

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Classic

@musicforthemind3421

4 ай бұрын

Its from a sample cd called Future Music. The Valley of the shadows sample starts of a normal bell type sound, then this effect comes in. Maybe the original programmer did loads of different delay speeds to get that effect back then?

@threeMetreJim

4 ай бұрын

@@musicforthemind3421 Thanks for the information - I should have known, having downloaded that cd some time ago ! It just caught my attention as being quite similar when Will was playing around with the sound.

13:38 I am totally freakin' ZONED OUT. 🥴🥴

@EDMTips

3 ай бұрын

As nature intended 😁

Imagine how many kids this would confuse on Ibiza dance floors 😂

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

😂

What setup do you use to be able to use headphones? It never sounds great for me.

1:37 this immediately reminded me of PPAP

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Nice!

Great video. Isn't that the pentatonic scale? I often used that for woodwind runs in my orchestral works but I found out that it also works very well for synth arps in EDM.

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Thanks! I suppose technically it is a pentatonic scale, yes

Wrath of the Math. I've pushed it to the Abel Prize people... adding a time element to advanced mathematics creates a whole new level.

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Hell yeah!

RIP for Will doing this by hand, that’s dedication. Could have been done way easier though

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Oh how should I have done it instead? 😄

@nicholast315

5 ай бұрын

Yes, please tell!

if you have to do all this by hand then what does the plugin do?

A M A S T E R P I E C E ❤

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Appreciate it! 🙌🙏

Fajnie. Najbardziej mi się podobało jak koleżanka nawet w gorących źródłach scrolowała komórkę 🤣 Pozdrowiom ✌️

*Revisits James Holdens back catalogue*

@EDMTips

3 ай бұрын

Rock on! 🤘

This might literally kill some people on the dance floor iykwim😂🔥

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

😆

faster way: duplicate the chord across the entire desired length of the track. delete from the final few chords leaving 1,2,3,4,5... of the notes (for descending sweep at the start, leave all of the top note and delete [number of notes in the chord - 1] of the bottom note) select each note across the entire track, and stretch to fill the same time, without quantization or grid in effect. the DAW does the math for you.

@EDMTips

3 ай бұрын

Great tip, thank you for sharing!

someone else found a way to make the midi by using the warp markers its on yt somewhere Pendulum Wave Sequence by foxfall

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out!

@juschu85

4 ай бұрын

@@EDMTips I also saw that video. And that's the "right" way to do it (even though it has one mini "mistake"). What we see here is the "wrong" way. Doing it this way, you have no control over how long your track will be. Doing it with the method of the other video, gives you back that control. The other method is based much more on the concept of what polyrythms actually are. You have a time window w and you want n+0 times that note, n+1 times another note, n+2 times yet another note, ... Of course, its still a polyrythm when with n+x you skip some values for x. e.g. n+0, n+2, n+3, n+5, ... Yes, this sounds pretty mathematical, but there's a reason you often hear that music is math. The other method is about how often you want a certain note in a certain time frame. That's the whole idea behind polyrythms. This method is more about the drift between the different notes. It still leads to a "correct" result, but in a more uncontrolled way.

@Foxfall

4 ай бұрын

I actually tried it the same way initially with copying notes and the spaces, but ran into the same problem of the notes not lining up at the end of the sequence. So yeah I ended up reading a bit of theory on it and that was the next best thing I could think of

Can't you do it with arpeggiator and record midi?

can do it on my groovebox (deluge) easily, got track length per "note row", so if you can emulate this in your daw...

there really is a faster way of moving the midi notes.. - Select all the notes and drag the little warp markers at the top.. doing each colum of noteas differently..

@arctwosix4331

3 ай бұрын

Check out Lucid Rythyms - www.youtube.com/@LucidRhythms - These Polyryhtyms are out of this world good, with visuals too. as an ADHD I find this guys videos sooo healing.

VR is the king of kings

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

He's an astonishing producer for sure!

Idk about Ableton but I imagine you could do this pretty easily in FLStudio with the python integration.

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

So I’ve been told! Haven’t used FL Studio for quite a while so I wouldn’t know

Isn't there a way to do this quickly with new live 12 piano roll midi tools?

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Probably yes!

Wouldn't it be easier to have multiple stacked MIDI items which loop, with each item being a different length?

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

I think so….That was the second way I was going to do it

with a dune 3 it sounds pretty insane .....

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Hell yeah!

made all this in my private when YT wasnt a thing at all.

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Nice!

Can you download polyrhythms midi files anywhere? Ta

Weird but interesting. Same effect can be achieved by arpeggiator, which speed is automated. Am I wrong? Anyway thanks for the video.

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Not quite the same (unless there's a technique I don't know), as with an arpeggiator. the time between each note in whatever sequence it's playing is the same.

I wonder how quickly this could be accomplished in Cubase using the logical editor. I don't think any other DAW has a similar feature, and once you wrap your mind around the crazy power of the logical editor it becomes very obvious that Cubase is head and shoulders above the competition vis a vis editing midi. Unfortunately the learning curve is annoyingly steep. But whatever, I switched to Bitwig and haven't really looked back.

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

DAW is a personal choice! Use the one that you're the most comfortable with :)

Just ends up sounding like a messy version of Origin Unknown - Valley Of The Shadows.

@EDMTips

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback, Gainn!

So chill! Shall we connect?

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

So chill indeed!

Wouldn't it be easier to do one clip with say 100 notes then one with 99, 98, 97 and so on. Then just stretch them?

I’m going to be incredibly pedantic (and just want to say this is definitely not a criticism because this technique is wonderful providing so many possibilities), but this technicality isn’t a Polyrhythm as the different patterns aren’t confined to the same bar length. It’s also not a Polymeter as that’s two or more ideas within the same tempo but different meters/time signatures. I think the best term would be Polytempo as every note occupies a different tempo. Either way, this idea is beautiful and such a great job describing it!!

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Thank you, and thank you for the criticism, I've taken this onboard :)

@paulthomann5544

4 ай бұрын

The VR track starts with all of the notes on 1, and ends that way again. You could keep the pattern going, and you'd have all notes on 1 in regular intervals of time. It's just a really long "bar".

Music can be produced from anything bro..

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

I never said otherwise

What program do you use

@EDMTips

3 ай бұрын

Great question. I use Ableton Live

tenho certeza que ele fez isso em Fl Studio! kkkk

Anyone else having trouble downloading the project file?

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

If you can’t get the project file, please email team@edmtips.com and we’ll get it sorted for you!

Virtual riot is the best there is.

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

He is an astonishing producer indeed!

Someone did a video, he just duplicated the initial pattern out far, then duplicated the very bottom not out another 8 meausures, then the next 7 measures and etc.....and didn't extend the top at all. Then selected the bottom note and stretched it DOWN so that all the notes fit within a loop (8 or 16 bars I think). Repeat with all the below notes, then shrink the note lenghts down to 1/8 or whatever and VOILA they're spaced out already. A bit faster than this

@jacquesterrier4700

5 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/a4iNj8unk9PYk9Y.html

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Perhaps, but I never choose an easy way 😁

I recommend you go and watch some of Virtual Riots tutorials

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Which one in particular?

VR probably used a midi script to render the notes, cause math 😊

@novadoes

4 ай бұрын

he commented on a video about using that method, is like 2 or 6 minutes to do it depending the length

you can generate poly rhythms MIDI online xD

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Ohhh the more you know! haha

you can probably programmatically generate the midi using python

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

If I knew python :)

cool video just a quick note move your phone or anything that emits electrical signal away from your interface. that's what the weird buzzing is when you speak. all round great video though keep it up!!

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the advice! I squally leave my phone outside the studio when I record :)

Hey will i have my computer clean up and Ableton runs good 11 Good video

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Happy to hear man! Keep it up! :)

I LOVE U

@EDMTips

Ай бұрын

Cheers!

Awww ya didn't color yours like VR. The colors made it look even more crazy

@EDMTips

5 ай бұрын

Can't deny that but it was time consuming enough already haha

Theres a video by Foxfall called how to build a pendulum wave in ableton, it *could* be the inspiration for the song?

@shoppingcart238

5 ай бұрын

i was too slow lol

@shoppingcart238

5 ай бұрын

+ i was wrong

@Foxfall

4 ай бұрын

It was the other way around ;)

@shoppingcart238

4 ай бұрын

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Thanks, I will check it out!

This would take 2 minutes to do in a 3d software... we need a plugin to play 3d geometry as midi notes!

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Maybe you can develop one? 🙂

@Cliporium

4 ай бұрын

​@EDMTips nice coincidence, I was wondering about exactly that... I'm no python wizard but AI could do most of the code heavy lifting... 🤔... Would be extremely cool! ... Maybe I'll publish a blender plugin at some point! :) Cheers!

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Go for it, Cliporium, sounds like a great idea!

I love this black midi style production. Reminds me of Yannis Xenakis, Conlon Nancarrow or some gnarly Zappa. Love it ❤

@spencerrobinson780

5 ай бұрын

I forgot to mention, a cool addition to this method is to map different FX to serums pitch. Then as the midi cascades the fx will shuffle and slide around

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Great tip, I will try it in the future!

He showed me it before it released it and I recommend aquawave for the name but I guess he didn’t go with it lol

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Who did? Virtual Riot? Aquawave sounds cinematic!

@ElectrixTunes

4 ай бұрын

yea I met VR and I saw him make this at my music school@@EDMTips

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Nice!

pretty sure he just used one of the 100s of polyrhythm m4l devices but still cool

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

I like doing it the hard way! 😁 Thanks for watching and supporting, really appreciate it!

@user-xj6xf5bf3j

4 ай бұрын

i can see that! youre an animal!@@EDMTips

I think the original was probably done with an AI that outputted the midi file for him to pop into his DAW.

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Perhaps! I decided to go the long way :)

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@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Cheers for the suggestion, I will check him out!

Foxfall

Unbelievable! Let’s connect?

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Cheers!

Hi blow my mind to

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Hell yeah! 💥

VR got maaaad skills. Where did he learn that? He just read manuals and experiment or what?

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

I think he mostly just experiments like no one else. Combine that with intelligence and talent and you're there. :)

If you like this stuff and your taste isn't limited to EDM you might want to give Steve Reich a try.

@EDMTips

4 ай бұрын

Cheers, I will check him out!