WOW! You are propaby first guy, not from Poland, I ever heard to say "wzór" Properly!

@Rafal_Wu

6 жыл бұрын

Radosław Orman Nie jest kretynem jak widać

@KAESowicz

6 жыл бұрын

Prawie poprawnie, z lekkim angielskim akcentem. Daję 99 na 100.

@piotrr5439

5 жыл бұрын

tak se szczerze mówiąc. powiedział "WZOOR"

@marcamant7258

5 жыл бұрын

He is a true polyglot.

@janwacawik7432

5 жыл бұрын

@@kwestionariusz1 Dokładnie, jego Ewangelia Świętego Browninga rozbrzmiewa we wszystkich językach.

Here is interesting trivia. BAR in polish is "Barium" and was the first weapon to start a fashion of naming Polish guns by names of the elements (Tantal - Tantalum, Beryl - Beryllium, Lantan - Lanthanum, Wanad pistol - vanadium, Pallad grenade launcher - Palladium, Bor rifle - Boron, Tor rifle - Thorium and a mineral Glauberyt smg -Glauberite) I love that as a chemist. Polish army had several debacles like this with US based firms. One of the big ones was with Christie and his tanks. Once Poles bought the rights for the tanks and paid part of the money, then soviets doubled the money and he didn't deliver them to Poles but to Russians. This was spy agencies prepping for WWII in my opinion. Poles sued Christie and won the suit but were left with no tanks. They reverse engineered the christie suspension but the tank wasn't ready before WWII. Instead they got Vickers tank and improved upon it resulting in 7-TP and 9-TP.

@jasondoe2596

8 жыл бұрын

Very interesting indeed! I love such naming conventions!

@StarskiPL

8 жыл бұрын

+Jason „cyberspace entity” Doe Polish military main assault rifle is Beryl. Polish police (and military) use Glaberyt SMG. To bad that the chemist tradition is over. The newest Polish assault rifle is called ...MSBS :(

@EnhancedNightmare

8 жыл бұрын

StarskiPL Yes, it is super boring name. I guess it is connected with their desire to sell them in USA but at least a nickname would be nice.

@ChillDudelD

7 жыл бұрын

MSBS-5,56(-7,62) "Radon"?

@StarskiPL

7 жыл бұрын

It's RADOM - and it's a Polish city south of Warsaw. Radom is the place where Fabryka Broni (producer of MSBS) is located.

P- pojedynczy ( semi ) C- ciagly (full ) ; B- Bezpieczny ( safe)

Ian, do know know how well-mannered, tame, respectful and polite your video comment sections are? It gives me warm feelings to see people discussing things civilly after watching your fantastic content. Your channel is a true 10/10!

@andrew-ripley1747

8 жыл бұрын

+Square Tins Well, that can't last. Bring in the music videos!

@TXiCN

8 жыл бұрын

Rad Chad Thank fucking shit.

@MrSmilingDeath

7 жыл бұрын

Square Tins Now we can all die unhappy...

@petesampson4273

6 жыл бұрын

I realize this is a very late reply but that is exactly why I keep coming back to Forgotten Weapons and even read through comments from years ago. Both the content and the community are among the best on the entire web. Cheers!

In the magazine bag there is a stamp - Czesław Jastrzębski - it was a company name, that also made VIS holsters. The company was situated in Warsaw (hence stamped Warszawa) on 20 Żytnia Str. BTW - R.K.M could be translated as "handheld machine carbine" wich is basically interpreted as LMG.

@chucknormalaid

3 жыл бұрын

What’s a holster

@thedarkfalafel9323

3 жыл бұрын

@@chucknormalaid kabura

I had a boss who was a marine in Vietnam and Cambodia in the early sixties and he has told me while his standard issue rifle was the m14 (full auto) but he also carried for a short time a BAR and some of his peer were issued them as well, its crazy in the nearly 50 years the USA used it they never thought to put a pistol grip on it! good on the poles! loved the vid Ian!

American LMG. On Belgian licence. Built by Poles. Using German ammo.

@gautierlejeune8156

6 жыл бұрын

Mr Worldwide !

@nataliakruschev5078

5 жыл бұрын

Truly the American dream at play.

@dominikwieczorek2442

5 жыл бұрын

not German ammunition, only Mauser ammunition

@garethcanfield6509

5 жыл бұрын

If u call the BAR a LMG your setting it up to fail, it was forced into that role

@mateuszg9866

5 жыл бұрын

Gareth Canfield all thise changes like barells with radiator, 'fish tail" stock etc. were made to convert american concept of automatic rifle to a european light machine gun concept.

Jestem z Polski i często oglądam pańskie filmiki i muszę powiedzieć że jestem zdumiony pańską wiedzą i prawdą historyczną na temat historii Polski albowiem nie często się zdarza aby obcokrajowiec miał tak wnikliwą i szczegółową wiedzę na temat trudnej historii mojego kraju,Dziękuję

@mrthomasdudi

Жыл бұрын

Może ten gość ma coś z polaka.

@wiziek

8 ай бұрын

@@mrthomasdudiTypical polish attitude, not even using google translate on english video.

@polskagurom12345

7 ай бұрын

mad? @@wiziek

@averagestraightwhitemale6776

7 ай бұрын

cry about it @@wiziek

@michaelm6172

7 ай бұрын

@@wiziek i dont even speak polish and this comment is infuriating

I'm Polish and I'm really interested in firearms etc. but I had no idea about most of the information that you provided in this video Ian. Thanks a lot!!! I love this channel and I watch it almost every day! I wish you'll be on KZread forever. Thanks again!

This polish edition of gun was in movie "Kelly's heroes". 😁

Greetings from Poland. Actually, I`ve never heard about this dispute between the FN and Polish military, and few other facts were also unknown to me until I watched your video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge :)

4:45 meoww

@johnaranjo6354

8 жыл бұрын

Lol am I the only one that caught him meowing

@SzczepanZZ

6 жыл бұрын

Aaaaaargh, now I can't watch this moment normally, I'll hear that goddamn MEOW for the rest of my life. Thanks man, thanks...

@outerspace9392

6 жыл бұрын

Omg my cat meowed back when i played this xD

@macissacsovereign7726

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😭

@MrThirstysuperior

3 жыл бұрын

LOL!!

Very very interesting story. I'm Polish and I had no idea that we produced BARs.

dammit, I just love learning.not only learning about the rifle itself, the history is the cherry on my sundae.thanx

It's quite a rare gun in Poland too. Thanks for showing me one of them in close. Let me translate something for you about wz.28 markings: RKM-Ręczny Karabin Maszynowy(Hand Machine Gun) Selector B-Bezpieczny(Safe) P-Pojedyńczy(SingleFire) C-Ciągły(FullAutomatic). Keep up the good work, Best wishes from Poland :)

My Grandpa was using the same gun in September Campaign. He was reserve corporal and leader of RKM (LMG) section in artillery unit of 16 Pomorska Dywizja Piechoty (16th Pommeranian Infantry Division)

The first Germans to be killed in the war were killed with this gun at Westerplatte by Corporal Szamlewski

@vcpartisan12

5 жыл бұрын

ktoś tu oglądał Wołoszańskiego :P

@seansouth9488

5 жыл бұрын

@@Avatrass Typical NPC response

@seansouth9488

5 жыл бұрын

@@Avatrass You accuse me of being a "neonazi" for not accepting the official line ,typical NPC

@venturatheace1

5 жыл бұрын

Then alt right-wingers wonder why they're so looked down upon

@mpingo91

5 жыл бұрын

@@seansouth9488 Poor Nazis. Almost the whole Europe was massacring nazi civilians. From France to Russia, from Norway to Greece. And Jews of course. They were killing innocent nazi civilians without mercy. Even saints in heaven couldn't stand it anymore.

This polish soldier who shoot first during WWII (shooting rkm wz. 28) was corporal Edmund Szamlewski. pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Szamlewski

@harisadrian1964

6 жыл бұрын

As I know Soviet Russian was invaded Poland preceded the German, was it not considered WWII? Maybe he shot it at Russian first?

@janwacawik7432

4 жыл бұрын

@@harisadrian1964 The other way around, the Soviets invaded on 17th September 1939, the Germans struck first on 1st September.

Excellent video and overview as always.

Great job (as always). Forgotten weapons channel is the best way for me to learn about polish small arms of the past so far.

Now this is the best "BAR" that I ever seen

Ian, I want to thank You for this one. as a militaristic fan from Poland, I am gratefull of how You talked about the gun, it's history. honestly i didn't know it had so many modifications. greatings from Poland with best wishes for You and your chanel ;) i hope that You'll get a chance to show us a VIS pistol and "PM Mors" the "wz" marking is from "wzór", wich translate as "model" or "version" that pistol was the "VIS wz.35" pistol that military warehouse was a "Depot of Military Tranzit" on Westerplatte peninsual in Gdańsk (ger. Danzig), the second polish "enclave" was a "Polish Post Office" deffendet by its workers, they used polish made Mauser riffles and BAR. the RKM is for "Ręczny Karabin Maszynowy" and its a polish term for light machinegun carried, operated and reloaded by a single soldier. the markings of the safety looks like (from the left) single-fullauto-safe, with polish letters.

Much respect for the Polish

@Rafal_Wu

6 жыл бұрын

ericswain70 Thank you very much

@anthony596

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man.

@chucknormalaid

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude!

@ramonandrajo6348

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahhaahahahhaahhahahaha No.

@thelastoferrathen613

2 жыл бұрын

Polska nie zginela.

Totally fantastic. Great review of a fantastic version of the BAR

this is one of those episodes that remind me why is this one of the best chanels on youtube. and actually it has little to do with the gun itself (it's a bonus)! excellent!

Few days ago I saw your movie about belgium machine guns, and today about ZK383, Marines Thompson's 'small brother' and rkm wz.28 ('rkm' can be translated literally as 'hand (in meaning of 'light') machine gun' - but I think it would be much more corresponding to SAW in modern terminology) . And I must admit, I'm quite impressed about your knowledge of history, not only a weaponry history, but a world history as well. You made your homework, and you done it well and it's really good to hear not only how it shoots, but also why it shoots like that and how it was made like that. Your movies are longer than typical YT clips, but it's good for them - at last I can learn something new. It's a good enough reason to subscribe. Than you for your hard work. Greetings from Poland. And last thing - your pronunciation in Polish is really good and clear. P.S. - Did you ever thought about changing name of your channel? Because of your work, these arms are truly NOT-Forgotten Weapons.

This is by far my favorite channel on all of KZread.

you should take a picture of this and submit it to the wikipedia page for it :P because the current picture is a very busted looking one

@rob119490

8 жыл бұрын

+AngryOcelotGaming he should make books about all these weapons so the knowledge lasts

You are one of the most knowledgeable gun reviewers. Interesting history behind this gun. Congratulations.

As ever, Ian, your forensic and knowledgeable history of these weapons really makes your videos so fascinating to those of us who are not shooters or even collectors. Very cool. (have fired SMLE and Bren at school)

Holy crap, terrible field strip. Shot one 2 years ago that was bought new from the factory. Had to hold, about 14" above the center, Groups stringed vertically because of my hold. Awesome heavy gun. Great addition to our ranges deer sight in. Recoil is a joy at what 32 lbs w/o the bipod. Want one just for fun. Thanks to my friend for letting me take the first rounds out of it from the factory.

@pr4runner

8 жыл бұрын

+pr4runner When I had the chance to shoot a new production OO rifle..;. We had so many laughs about reloading it under the stress of battle, it's length, and its wight. Still laughing & Good times.

Damn. If I won the lottery this week I would have bought that thing. I hope that one day I'll have the opportunity to at least shoot one of these rare BAR variants. I'm of Polish decent so I have a lot admiration for Polish designed and manufactured weapons as well as military history of Poland.

16:22 One little thing about fire selector. Reading the letters from left to right we have P (pojedynczy) - semi automatic, C (ciągły) - full auto, B (bezpieczny) - safe. Great review, as usual!!!

Really liked the slow motion view from the right. You can see the locking block moving up and down in the bolt.

I am Pole, too and an advanced technical and other firearms stuff fan. Also Ian's fan of Forgotten Weapons Channel. He is always perfect researched. Also this movie is fully professional. Good job!

My favorite LMG, glad to get to see someone fire it.

Such a VERY NICE video presentation. I am nicely surprised !!!! Fantastic historical background explained with so many details. Wonderful overview, and dissembling of that American-polish made light machine gun !!!! I am giving a highest rate for that particular VIDEO !!!! Congratulation )))) Sincerely yours.

great video Ian, I was looking forward to watch a review of this weapon. Greetings from Poland

I always loved the fact that the FN engineers used the magazine slot on the operating rod of the BAR as the spent case ejection port on the MAG58/M240.

Great video Ian.I especially like your custom "shed sled" shooting rest made from warped 1x6s.For any of the safety conscious out there,that cartridge he's using for disassembly is inert.You can see the dented primer at 15:52.

@jasondoe2596

8 жыл бұрын

Good catch! I was sure he'd use an unloaded one, but didn't notice it.

Great movie. Greeting from Poland.

Thank you for the video and for the background history! Really interesting! I really wish I could get my hands on one of those.

Wonderful mechanical overview and history plus range time, whats not to like!

piękna broń...

@akacz1394

8 жыл бұрын

+Paweł Kowalik You're right. Beautiful weapon.

@Solaxe

8 жыл бұрын

+Paweł Kowalik learn english, pleb

@KristoffDoe

8 жыл бұрын

+Solaxe S Since we're at it, it's "English", not "english", pleb... :)

@pike815

8 жыл бұрын

+Solaxe S Polacy nie gęsi, jak Ci się nie podoba nasz język to wypierdalaj

@matearosie

7 жыл бұрын

Nie przynoś wstydu temu językowi zrazu rzucając inwektywami. Typowa cebula. Jesteście siebie warci, on ze swoim "plebsem" i Ty ze swoim "wypierdalaj". Pozdrawiam.

Thanks for another great video, Ian. It's cool to see a more practical route the US could have taken in updating and improving the BAR in the interwar era.

Outstanding review ! Thank you for sharing.

Wonderful weapon, very well crafted and beautiful. Great video.

Great History lesson on this weapon!

What an incredibly convoluted, fascinating story, brilliantly told. Thank you.

Im from Poland and i must Say that you got every thing Wright.

i like videos like this where you spend a lot of time on the history of the gun, keep it up :)

Damn, you showing us the Finnish L/S 26 or the other rarer mid-war LMGs like the Breda M1930 or the MG 13 in the land modification would be really amazing!

@giovannifontana1433

4 жыл бұрын

Breda mod. 30 is not rare is shit. And I'm Italian i think the guns were wrong by first part of the design. Clipper fed box magazine was slow, the inside oiler was a shity idea for a army mostly fighting in desert or in extreme cold conditions.

Ian, did you ever get a chance to have a look at the wz.35 anti-tank rifle? Do you think its spall inducing, non penetrating ammo had a chance of working as intended?

@ForgottenWeapons

8 жыл бұрын

+Maciej Pociecha I've never handled one, but I would like to.

@maciejpociecha6357

8 жыл бұрын

Fingers crossed... it'll be an awesome video one day. I can't think of any other rifle that tried to use small calibre squash head ammo in that era. Thanks for all your work, btw; it's criminal one of the documentary channels hasn't thrown money at you to make a series on small arms.

@ForgottenWeapons

8 жыл бұрын

+Maciej Pociecha I know, right? :)

@KAESowicz

6 жыл бұрын

Maciej Pociecha I think that then this channel would probably loose all its charm. Thanks god there is patreon.

@jannegrey593

5 жыл бұрын

​@@ForgottenWeapons It did work. Although obviously only on Panzer I and II (from less than hundred meters). And on APV's from up to 400 m. The difficulty being that as OP stated it was non penetrating ammo. It just transferred the energy into armor so much that it causes the inside of an armor to "explode" in a shrapnel like manner. Other problem was that it was so secret, that almost no-one was trained to use them - some sources say that training of gunners started on 23rd of August. Germans of course adopted it, but they didn't replicate the most important bit - the ammo. Polish was very complicated and costly to produce - mostly copper though. I don't know if any of original ammo survived to this day, and it's composition and shape would be absolutely important, since it was basically very small KINETIC shape charge - designed specifically to make the dent on the other side fragment - imagine being killed by a paint shrapnel. As for BAR wz. 28 (pronounced like you did "wzór", so vz) - Polish Wikipedia (with many flaws like Wikipedia) is one of the best versions of the page. It says that 10.000 were delivered by FN, 11.000 produced in Poland for Polish Army, and 1880 for export - mainly to Spain. Also about 140 to Palestine and single numbers to China and Greece.

the BAR needs a pistol grip. it is a must.

@perfectlynormalhuman5473

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah if browning/fn start producing it again for commercial reasons evem though they have no reason to

@Forgotten Weapons Floating bipod was not problem in using wz.28. First of all polish wz.28 was team weapon in Poland. Crew of gun were: -karabinowy - operated the rifle -celowniczy - giving coordinates to shoot -amunicyjny - transporting supply of ammunition When attack were moving forward, "karabinowy" have to fold down bipod and take new position ahead of all team. Again open the bipod, shoot, fold down, move and until the win or death :) Wz.28 wasn't individual and mobile weapon like BAR in US army.

@Zadlo14

8 жыл бұрын

+Sprinter Custom Ghillie This was caused by size of Polish infantry squad.

Hey Ian, great video as usual. I was wondering where you get most of the information on the guns that you have on the show, especially the cool history bits.

Im impresed with your knowledge about not just firearms but about the history at all .

Fascinating to see a totally American design, chambered in the enemy's cartridge (8mm Mauser) but used by our allies (Poles). Awesome video as always, Ian. Hope all is well.

Excellent presentation as always, congrats.

Another awesome video Ian :)

RKM = Ręczny karabin maszynowy which literally translates as "hand(held) machine rifle" and "machine rifle" is basically machinegun in polish (germans also called their mgs mahchine rifles)

I think this was the BAR that they had in the excellent film Kelly's Heroes.

@Regolith86

8 жыл бұрын

+Bill22252 It was: www.imfdb.org/wiki/Kelly's_Heroes#Polish_wz.28_BAR

@pamietamy-gu1ki

8 жыл бұрын

+Bill22252 :No it wasn't Polish one. It was probably Belgian BAR Mle 1930 ( Base Series Designation, not D-model!) or any remodelled version of the rifle ( American?) Maybe also Belgian D - model without wooden handle for carrying. Certainly it was not Polish wz 28

videos like this is why I subscribe to this channel. Great job and thank you.

Forgotten Weapons is by far the best firearms review channel on the internet. By far....

"international kerfuffle" is a great way to describe the world between 1900-1945. Great video, your best yet in fact. Do you think the FN BAR could have been a good basis for an assault rifle type weapon?

@ForgottenWeapons

8 жыл бұрын

+Alex de Moya No, it's too heavy.

@Pprokop87

8 жыл бұрын

+Forgotten Weapons well, the Soviet army tend to use their Degtyaryov machine gun in the assult riffle style and the gun was over 9kg

@kalliste23

8 жыл бұрын

+Alex de Moya It proved to be a good basis for Belgian FN MAG general purpose machine gun.

Love the BAR videos. They have the most unusual bolt i've ever seen. I think i understand the locking system based off of your explanation in the Ohio Ordnance video. Basically a type of tilting bolt- wonder if it influenced Saive on the FAL at all. Love how the Poles basically gave FN the finger. Sounds like FN was being pretty shady, if not downright dishonest. Serves them right. The Poles darn near went them one better than the Hi-Power with the VIS (Radom) a few yrs later. Bullt for them. A proud, brave people who really got the sewage end of the stick in WW2. Great video as always. Thank you

You right about Westerplatte battle in 1939 ,you can see polish solders using BAR in the movie "Westerplatte"

Sweet hat Ian, you dapper fella you.

That hat just makes you look so much more bad ass. A modern musketeer! :D

Ian's hat collection is probably more diverse, obscure and impressive than his gun collection

My bit of nitpicking: It was kpr. (corporal) Edmund Szamlewski (Shamlevsky) that fired the first shots in anger on Westerplatte using this gun: pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Szamlewski (sorry, no version in English) Great video all around. Learned a great deal.

Colt was making these in the US. That makes it even more unfathomable that US ordnance wouldn't adopt these, or at least the improved features, instead of the 1918A2.

best looking and sounding BAR in my opinion

Does anyone find it utterly hilarious the same country that produced the great M1 Garand also produced the joke that was the BAR gun. And it took a foreign manufacturer to fix it's major issues.

@clothar23

8 жыл бұрын

Aidan Templeton Fair enough but I 'd still rather take almost anything into war but a BAR gun. And I suppose the Polish and the Belgian still didn't fix that crap bipod.

@clothar23

8 жыл бұрын

Aidan Templeton Meh if we are comparing like to like I'd take a Bren gun into combat over a BAR gun. It was actually a far better infantry support weapon,

@d.mangham5204

3 жыл бұрын

Old thread, but maybe s.o. will see this or care, lol. The BAR was ahead of the times in 1918, behind the times by WW2. (Ditto for the 1919 Browning LMG.) With US foreign policy of interwar period, plus the Depression, emphasis was on updating good equipment rather than on new designs. Some BAR updates were good, such as the heat shield in the handguard. The bipod was execrable. With all that said, the GIs who fought with it in WW2 and Korea absolutely swore by it. Granted, they didn't have the Bren or MG-42 to choose from, but esp. the -42 would've required a complete re-work of how US infantry functioned. Our squads, platoons, and companies were based on semi-auto rifles and a squad auto rifle, not on equipping rifle units with light machine guns. Too bad they didn't get a quick-change barrel and an efficient bipod, at least, because those two improvements would've made a huge, positive difference in sustaining a high volume of fire, keeping the weapon functioning in combat, and in delivering more effective fire at longer ranges. Dust covers certainly would've been nice, too. Our BAR was a completely different animal than the German GPMGs, inferior to Bren and its Czech forebears--but lighter, equivalent to FR Chatellerault, ~same as BE. PO, SW, slightly better than Finnish, Soviet, and Swiss auto rifles, markedly better than IT or early JP competitors (not the later mag-fed Nambu) and Danish-Norwegian Madsens. Had we not faced the Wehrmacht, nobody would've noticed the BAR as particularly problematic. Nobody's infantry had the auto firepower to match the Wehrmacht, although our rifleman had superior weapons and our arty was far superior in numbers, volume of fire, ammo supply, and fire direction. The Luftwaffe couldn't give our Air Corps much competition. US small units had their hands full facing GE infantry firepower, but at battalion and higher levels our supporting arms gave us a big edge.

@piotrd.4850

2 жыл бұрын

@@clothar23 Improved but....

Excellent history!

cool vid :) respect from Poland

8 Mauser BAR? I've seen it all now how fascinating

Wow BAR is a pain in the ass to take apart , i never noticed how complex it is

Great video! Always learn a lot.

RKM means Hand machine gun literally :) Also love Your preparation and knowledge keep up the magnificent work !

The wz 28 wasn't meant to be shot from the hip thats why the changes to the butt and the addition of pistol grip. Also the the barrel is thicker it weighs over 2 kg. The cooling fins on the barrel are also of polish design.

i think this only guy knows history the best out of US youtube

This gun should play ive been everywhere when you pick it up love it tho cool video

You pronounced quite good "wzór 28". RKM means literaly "hand machine gun".

@franek.97

4 жыл бұрын

Actually in Polish we use U and Ó as same letter, it's only orthography issue...

Beautiful gun :)

cool piece I remember one was used in the 1970 movie kelly's heroes, with Clint Eastwood.

Id love to know more about the Italian submission and the 1923 Lewis. There's a lot of references to a French Lewis gun used between the wars but I can't find any pictures.

I consider this your best BAR video, technically speaking. *BGM.41

I really really love this style firearm

Awesome video, thank you!

Must be said it is a bloody good idea for your major disassembly tool being the tip of a cartridge.. Was a part of the BAR's design right from Browning himself I do belive.

If one is interested, watch "Westerplatte Resists" you see a good number of these weapons. A slick movie for its day.

Good job Ian. thx.

Hallo Ian, I've been watching Your videos since 2012 and I'd like to thank for Your great work. Above all I'm particulary glad seeing polish weapons in Your programs. If it's possible say us about very interesting british assault rifle EM 1 and it's constructor polish engineer Stefan Janson( it was his second name). Greetings from Poland.

hope to see more polish guns!

Great video as always.:D

It's interesting to see features (spring in butt-stock, style of charging handle) that areclater wchoed on the FN-FAL.

great presentation , i m impresed with your knowledge

I love this channel

That sliding dust cover for the ejection port bears resemblance to the iconic safety on an AK pattern rifle.