My experience with the Police over the last few years is that you are guilty until proven innocent. I am 58 , bald and have tattoos, but also a company director and free lance journalist. I was stopped by the police and told "I am used to dealing with people like you" I asked him what he meant by that and received no reply. They have become much more aggressive and combative and seem to want to provoke a reaction. Say as little as possible when it comes to the Police.

@TayWoode

Жыл бұрын

Yep, they try and provoke a reaction so they have a reason to arrest you

@elizabethanthony3916

Жыл бұрын

​@@TayWoode One good reason to be polite.

@garry843

Жыл бұрын

And then you get the comment " I can smell something on your breath" as an excuse to poke around until they turn up something that gives them the opportunity to go to the station for a cuppa and do paperwork.

@Richard500

Жыл бұрын

@@DM-ur8vc I bet you are a tad proactive?

@Ontheroadtourism

Жыл бұрын

@@DM-ur8vc I am lucky enough to live in very nice small village in Chichester Harbour and was burgled whilst we were in bed. The next morning I called the Police who told me they were too busy to attend and to make a report online. Never heard a thing. Then I had someone on my property and they had broken into my summer house. I called the Police who said it would be two or three hours until they had someone available to attend. My response was well I will remove them myself after which I was told that I did I would be arrested.

As an old Priest who uses a small motorcycle as daily transport, I am often stopped by the Police, I always give my details when asked, usually with no problems. However I regard my destination as my business. This has caused a problem on two occasions, but I will stick to this, as I do not want the housebound people I am going to visit to be harassed on my account by some of the miss fits we now have in the UK Police.

When a officer asks you why they pulled over, the most truthful response is "because you can".

@gonnahavemesomefun

10 ай бұрын

You're better saying "to check my documents, insurance, tax, MOT, etc" - as the advice is, do not say you don't know, otherwise you are then guilty of whatever they decide!! ie: you didn't know you were speeding.

@madmaximilian5783

9 ай бұрын

@hannahalice1000• nahhh my response would be is "how much do you want this time you " f-ing crook !!!

@douglastodd1947

9 ай бұрын

Better saying ,, as i've not broken any laws . i m wondering why myself.

@brianmckinnon4591

8 ай бұрын

Cos I let you !

@Anton-Kant

8 ай бұрын

this question does evaluate the officers ego. if they said you looked dodgy (potentially dangerous or dishonest or unreliable) RRespect, cause if you were a criminal then you wouldnt look dodgy, just drive a civic then just be cool .... but not too cool

I am old but its a sad day when you fear being stopped by a police officer for many different reasons now and your safety is one of them

@ncmcdonnell5486

Жыл бұрын

Especially if you are a woman.

@glennwall552

Жыл бұрын

Always had been in NSW Australia since I got beaten up by the rolling squad or Jump out boys they appear out of no were and just bash youth in groups of two or more before screaming " Go home!" I was on my way to work as a baker! 2 am. Later in life Uniformed police stopped these thugs bashing and abusing us...leave them alone they're good boys so why are you doing this?" Shrug.....to this day @70 yrs old I'm uncomfortable with cops.

@tazuk01

Жыл бұрын

It's not a fear, it's just a new age of idiots giving safety as a pathetic excuse to argue.

@BRIZVIZ

Жыл бұрын

@Brightfart2 what drugs are you on

@lesigh1749

11 ай бұрын

@brightfart Thats a very niaeve view. The police in the NE of England abused their power like every other police force did over the last few years.

In over 50 years of driving, I have only ever had ONE difficult interaction with a police officer in relation to a traffic incident. I was following the marked vehicle that was signalling to turn left, as was I. We turned and he suddenly braked just over halfway into the turn, leading to me getting rather too close but not in any way close enough to run into him. He leapt out of his car, stormed up to me and demanded to know what speed I was doing, how close was I to his car and what was the stopping distance at 10 Mph before I could open my mouth he demanded to know what I was following him. He never asked for my details he just kept on and on asking why I was following him despite me explaining repeatedly that I was going to park NEXT TO HIM outside the shop he was going into. After and extended rants and me being rather like a goldfish unable to get a word in edgewise, he stomped off leaving me standing next to his patrol car. I think he had a moment of clarity at some point as he came out of the shop pushing past me and off he went never to be seen again.

When I was a young man in my first car I was stopped 5 times within a month under section 163, they checked everything, tyres, lights, indicators etc every time, after a complaint to the police for harassment I wasn't stopped ever again.

@colinjones9211

2 ай бұрын

Years ago I got stopped twice within 10 minutes, both for expired tax. The second constable was quite miffed he had been picked to the post buy another officer.

When I was 19 yrs old, I was stopped by a Sussex Traffic PC doing speed-checks. He showed me the back of the speed-gun; 41mph in a 30mph limit… in thick fog. I received words of advice only. There’s a lot to be said for having good manners.

I pulled to road next to junction on M3 because my cat wanted a loo (his litter tray which was in a boot) - it was late in the evening. stopped and takn the said tray to car. Police patrol appeared and they asked do you need help. I explained furry friend wanted loo and they started laughing all was very pleasant conversation and no problem whatsoever! btw kitty was 9kg Maine Coon ;-) like a small Puma!

@DovidM

3 ай бұрын

Since few people have seen such a beast close up, that must have been an eye opener for them!

@Simonsimon-fy3hq

2 ай бұрын

A adult Maine Coon looks nothing like a Puma.

Great video... too many folk watching USA audits where the law is different.

@leavemyrightsalone

Жыл бұрын

Where did they get their laws from??? Who owns America?? is it the queen; now the king of England?

@74yodinosaur99

Жыл бұрын

​@@leavemyrightsalone America has got nothing to do with the UK. They have their own rules and laws. We, the UK, are a MONARCHY, they are a republic. Canada is under the Monarchy, and happy to be so, but they have their own laws.

@happyjonn9242

Жыл бұрын

@@leavemyrightsalone the Queen is dead.

@leavemyrightsalone

Жыл бұрын

@@happyjonn9242 Yeah I know, her head is on paper symbolizing that fact!!

@adelejones3746

Жыл бұрын

Can't use breathalysers on the road side in the USA because it breaches one of the amendments. Thus the nonsense with sobriety tests.

In the early 1980s I owned and drove both a van and a motorcycle. On occasions if I was going away for a weekend or longer I would load the bike into the van and take it with me. As I was returning home late one evening the police pulled me over, having stopped for a mid-journey pint earlier I was a tad nervous and when the police officer came to my door I asked if there was anything amiss. He assured me it was just routine but did say that having seen the bike in the back of the van they were making sure it wasn't stolen. While his colleague checked my details and that both vehicles were registered to me we had a chat, put the world to rights and parted on good terms.

@garrywatters1140

Жыл бұрын

Different breed of copper back then.

@shinkansenshinkansend8316

Жыл бұрын

Had a very similar experience when buying a bike in Swindon. Someone saw it being loaded into my van and called the Police. They stopped me, checked the purchase receipt, that the V5c had been filled in etc, we all went on our ways happy, no producer etc. I was actually happy that they were taking reasonable action to try to deal with what could have been a bike theft.

@nct948

Жыл бұрын

@@shinkansenshinkansend8316 very sensible. Why can't people recognise that most policemen are genuinely trying to get society running smoothly as intended by the laws of the country?

@dalet1001

Жыл бұрын

@@garrywatters1140 not really ... same thing would happed today in most cases. Police have had to respond to changes in society as well though, so as said in the video, if you are polite then that is pretty much always returned by the officer.

@hb1338

Жыл бұрын

@@nct948 Cue rant about entitled and self-righteous people.

Love your optimism with regards to police attitudes towards the public. Although I will qualify my experience with the fact that I live in Australia. Here, the police are armed, dress like soldiers and immediately apply a dominating attitude towards the public. The best method of dealing with them is to comply with requests, provide documentation but do not be intimidated by them and ask for details of any offence they find you guilty of plus how they came to that conclusion. My last experience with a police officer changed immediately the officer believed he was on being recorded on dash cam.

@kenjohnson3174

10 ай бұрын

I am fortunate enough to have had a dash cam when accused by another motorist of doing all sorts of things one of which was to point a gun at him and his then girlfriend . I had to go to crown court and could have gone to prison The police officer lied in crown court along with the prime and second witness. I like a fool I handed over the footage to the police and my barrister at one point doubted it still existed When I was interviewed some months later I was convinced the other car was a VW but in the video I was shown during the interview it was a Renault After I left I was convinced the video was corrupt and had been edited It took over 18 months to get to court and took 5 days to conclude You can imagine my surprise when the other car had turned back into a VW.. But even more surprised was the prime witness when it was shown on a large screen in court which proved every aspect of what he said happened was wrong. This did not surprise me because during his brake checking and gesturing out of his car window along with foul mouthed obscenities he was probably under the influence as 2 weeks after that incident the police stopped him and he was 5 times over the legal limit of cocaine in his blood. He was on the front page of the local paper. What I haven't been able to work out is the police new this and still went ahead with my case as him as the main witness of two. Why they turned up at court is still perplexing to me Anyway not guilty on all charges Get a dash cam!

@stewartmercer19

10 ай бұрын

@@kenjohnson3174 99 percent of my driving is via a Ford Transit connect van It's a lease via my company and and I can't make any alterations , as in installing a rear camera and I've only, got a front facing camera. Installed by me bought by me. It has been raised to my company but it's a case of....pfff. Miffed I cant get a rear one...Anyway. What just getting my dash cam has made me more deliberate on the road and a shit more aware.. It isn't until you see on playback at times. What a load of utter, clueless tossers there are about. I've had two accidents in two years. Both went to court. I was the accused. My company...Yeah those people who who won't let me install a rear camera did support me by providing legal support...probably only through me sending off a copy of both instances of video, showing I was blameless. I also sent copies of to a private solicitor....just in case...none to the police nor did i make it aware I had a recording to the guilty or the police.,.. The police on both events made me make out I was at fault. Videos where only shown in court. Completely fecking up the statements and Polices statements. As like you say.....GET A DASH CAM!

@5ynthesizerpatel

4 ай бұрын

@@kenjohnson3174 wait - so there is a legal limit of cocaine - tell me more

Good advice as always. A reminder though that you should be extremely cautious of answering any of the police's questions unless legally obliged to do so and the passengers do not have to identify themselves unless there is reasonable suspicion of a crime that they may be complicit in.

@Government-must-fall

Ай бұрын

You should NOT Talk to police at all! Anything you say will be used "against" you.. NOT for you! I have the right to remain silent. Maxims in law: No man shall be expected to bare witness against themselves. The burden of proof lies upon the claimant. Say no more than the bare minimum. Name, address, and you don't know when you were born, because you wasn't aware of times and dates when you were born, and did not make a note of it 👍🏻

@stuartofblyth

Ай бұрын

@@Government-must-fall Birth date is encoded in your driver number on the licence, which the policeman will ask for.

As someone who looked underage when I first had a moped back in the 70's, I got pulled over an aweful lot. And it pissed me off. However, I quickly learned that argueing with police officers on the side of the road would only give me more hassle (and I worked out they were only doing their job after all). So - I sellotaped all of my documents together and carried them with me at all times. I smiled and was polite whenever i was stopped. Bingo! 2 or 3 minutes beside the road with a sometimes initially mocking, but always after he'd seen my papers polite officer and i was off. And I got stopped less often - probably word got around the local traffic cops that that little kid on the PC50 was OK. years later this approach paid off when I got pulled for speeding (legitimately) and of course I was polite and had all of my documentation in order and ready for inspection and admitted to the officer concerned (before he cautioned me) that i was going a bit too fast for the prevailing conditions.He looked me up and down and told me to be more careful in future. So, don't get into un-necessary tangles with police officers, and - remember they are human, they can make mistakes, they can have bad days, they can be bullies, they can be perfectly reasonable people. Meet them eye to eye with some empathy and your encounter is less likely to go tits up.

@happyjonn9242

Жыл бұрын

i had the same problem, so i tattooed my driving licence number to my forehead, sames me a lot of time.

@ruadhagainagaidheal9398

Жыл бұрын

Yes , they are human. And as thick in the head as shite in the neck of a bottle.

@trevorferguson6222

Жыл бұрын

There's "doing their job" and there's doing their job with the pure intention of showing who's boss by means of intimidation & bullying - yes, it happens - more frequently than most people want to believe. If possible you should always film any and every interaction with the police. Many police officers have poor memories and their version of events is often nothing like the real thing.

@noneofyourbuizness

Жыл бұрын

​@@happyjonn9242 wow brililiant idea

@TheSLUser

Жыл бұрын

Exactly get up in the cops face is you just being a fool, You are being Car/Bike/Van Karen, its like the poor girls on the Tills in stores who get shouted at many times a day by a Karen over stupid things.... The second you start getting in to the cop they react by showing you are NOT in control like you think you are.... I too got pulled over a lot when i was a kid on my moped BUT that was because two cops that tried to arrest me for underage driving Failed to take not of a BIG sign on a tree in 6 inch letters that said PRIVATE road. Yes i was in an old Land Rover but it was parked on private land nice tarmac road 20 feet from the main road, in a gateway so I could back up and turn. I parked up walked to the store a couple hundred yards away got my Mother the shopping she wanted and drove home cops followed lights on grabbed me and made me drop the shopping glass milk bottles shattering and were about to cuff me when my mother came out asked them wtf they were doing half hour later another officer came up took a look was told to go back down and look at the tree, he came back and told them to say sorry pay for the ruined shopping and go away....After that i got pulled over every time one of these two guys saw me on my moped first few time it was just had to take documents to the station. After the 70 something time i had been pulled over my dad went to the station with all the papers i had been given and asked the guy behind the desk why these two idiots were harassing me and if it did not stop he would go to the press with the papers that showed full well that they knew i was legal and had everything but were still pulling me over for the same thing over and over to waste my time....I gather they were relocated to other stations far away within a couple weeks

If the officer is in a police vehicle he/she will almost always access the registered keeper's name, address, and date of birth directly from the DVLA database. And the date of birth of a driving licence holder is encoded simply in the driver number.

@fredbloggs5902

Жыл бұрын

Yes, and?…

@ubiquitousubiquitous3843

Жыл бұрын

What does a marked vehicle have to do with that?

@davegb99

Жыл бұрын

They will have access to the registered keeper’s details but that doesn’t mean that that person is driving. They will also be able to check that someone has a specific licence but to do that they need to ask the driver their name, address and date of birth. So that they can check. It doesn’t follow that the keeper is the driver.

@Kentworlds

Жыл бұрын

​@@davegb99 exactly

@radman8321

Жыл бұрын

Yes and then when the driver can't come up with the name of the keeper suspicion will be raised that the car might be stolen.

Small point to make although have not lived in the UK for 35 years - I was told that you have to produce the documents such as the licence but you only have to SHOW it tothem and not let them examine (what was then a small book). This was so the officer cannot check your previous offences as the docs remain your property. Thus you have a measure of control over the police action. I did this back in the 80s and it was not disputed.

Excellent advice i have found by being very polite regardless of/if provocation by the police is the best practice. Just give your name and address and name and address of the owner, DOB, and vehicle documents. Just be ultra polite

@davesmart8414

Жыл бұрын

And give away your rights too

@stephenholmes1036

Жыл бұрын

@@davesmart8414 no not at all, Have you listened to the advice? One of my brother in laws is a barrister and has confirmed the law

@davesmart8414

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenholmes1036 Only s 165 allows that

@andrewcoupe9528

3 ай бұрын

@@davesmart8414 Do you have some sort of disability, because if you don't, the truth is much much worse.

Strangest police stop I ever had when I was driving home one afternoon when a police car with blue lights pulled me over. I compiled when safe to do so, The copper walked over asked to see my documents , I showed him, usual " is this your car sir?" again I said yes. He beckoned his partner over, I asked what was the problem, his answer surprised me. Nothing sir but can we sit in the back as we have never been in one of these . I was driving my Rolls Royce in working jeans and t shirt. Sure I said in surprise unlocking the doors. Once in and chatting they asked if they could smoke as I was . They went on to explain this was luxury for them as they are not allowed to smoke in a police car They did ask what I did for a living to which I replied Dock master of a small fishing port. They replied "we are in the wrong job mate" It was a strange encounter but to be honest a pleasant one

@kimamey

Жыл бұрын

You don't say when this was but in recent years I would have thought smoking in the back of your vehicle would be against the law as it would then be their place of work. My brother in law is an installer for Sky. When they are working within the house, apparently they can ask for the owner to not smoke as it's their place of work at that time.

@stevekeys262

Жыл бұрын

That’s just abuse of authority

@eifionjones559

Жыл бұрын

@@stevekeys262 not really it was a friendly encounter, and they gave me a cig

@eifionjones559

Жыл бұрын

@@kimamey lighten up

@kimamey

Жыл бұрын

@@eifionjones559 I actually gave your post a like. I was just pointing out that, depending on when this happened, they may have been breaking the law. The part about my brother in law I know to be true. I have no need to lighten up. You seem to be allergic to facts so I'm sorry upset you. Perhaps it's you that needs to lighten up

Always remember to be polite, even if you disagree with the police. Anger, abuse etc does not help

@secretsquirrel6124

Жыл бұрын

Invoke your right to silence

@rogerramjet6429

9 ай бұрын

These comments are just full of dumb boot lickers.

@andrewcoupe9528

3 ай бұрын

@@secretsquirrel6124 And promptly get arrested for failing to give details, very clever. Brain of a squirrel me thinks.

@rob8493

3 ай бұрын

@@secretsquirrel6124you don’t have a right to silence if you are driving snd they request your details. If you don’t have a license on you, you have to provide your name and address. Failing to do so is an offence and this is when they give you a producer.

In 1988 less things, were on a database name and your insurance, your tax, your license and everything can be ascertained by just reading your numberplate.

I live in Spain as a Resident, The Guardia Civil, Traffico are always putting up Road blocks, Breathalised for Drinks, Drugs what ever, ITV (mot) Driving licence, Car papers, Etc. they are Polite, but don't push your Luck. You are Not to leave your house without ID.

My Dad was regularly stopped on his way home by the same cop after driving a cab all night. It was just him exerting his power. It's just taking the pee unless there's a legitimate reason.

@ChrisPage68

Жыл бұрын

@@occamraiser Absolutely nothing. The Pig was on a wind-up.

@Asshole88

Жыл бұрын

@@occamraiser people don't need reasons. Look at your example, you're implying his dad done something to antagonise the cop, so what did the cop do to deserve that and so on. People can be assholes for no reason.

@nw8000

Жыл бұрын

Is he an Aisan?

@edeledeledel5490

Жыл бұрын

Should have written to the chief constable by registered mail.

@stuart207

Жыл бұрын

Using the phrase "pig" does not add gravitas to your comment..

As much as i hate that the police have the power to pull over anyone without any reason, it's something that EVERY DRIVER on the roads should know, from the moment they pass their test. There's no excuse for not knowing..

@seraphina985

Жыл бұрын

They should know that before then, their driving instructor should have told them about this during their driving training. It is part of the rules of the road which it is their job to train prospective drivers on after all.

@tilerman

Жыл бұрын

100%

@tilerman

Жыл бұрын

@Richard Fox Same here. A good friend of mine is a Police Officer and he's a fair decent bloke. And like a lot of traffic officers, they have a 6th sense. He knows what to look out for, certain make cars, certain models, certain ages etc etc. And he stops them and 9 times out of ten, he comes up trumps with something. And some of the stories he's told me, im also glad they have this power. There's a lot of naughty people out there and i'm happy they get caught. And for the decent folk he pulls over he's very lenient and would much prefer to offer advice.

@elgamerico

Жыл бұрын

@@seraphina985 Certainly don't disagree with this and that's kinda the point i'm getting at.

@robertwillis4061

Жыл бұрын

Are you sure it is every cop? I was led to understand it was only Traffic Police that could do this. It was originally from 70years ago before the Police had computers and lists of vehicle owner's and drivers. With the advent of ANPR this became to a degree less necessary, however it was never changed.

As an ex police officer, we were told by our senior officers as our ways of working, we were only allowed to setup a random check point if it was signed off from up high, we were not allowed to just go out on our own and set up a check point because we felt like it. Typical times we were told to setup a random check point was at Christmas where people may be driving drunk after a Christmas party. I have to say in my entire career I never pulled someone over for no reason at all.

I was reminded of this interaction with the Police. One lunchtime I had to go to a car dealer to get a replacement headlamp mounting shell. The one on my car had rusted and fallen out. On my way around the one-way system, I was blue lighted from behind. Rather than stop and block the road I continued the short distance to the dealer's car park. The police car followed me in. The conversation was friendly and the officer said she didn't see a need to issue a ticket.

Very good advice - being polite generally ends up with a better result. Whether that’s with the police or anywhere else fir that matter

@ibrstellar1080

Жыл бұрын

Some Police are vile and uniformed thugs.

@dougaldouglas8842

Жыл бұрын

What world do you occupy? Most officers are out to get motorists, even go to places where they believe they can get their tally up. We have one up the road where police hide behind trees with speed cameras, as they know that coming down a hill someone is going to go a few miles over the limit. I feel sorry for drivers that come down this hill, being penalised, when there are the boy racers around the area.

@Berlitz81

Жыл бұрын

@@dougaldouglas8842 If a cop is ''out to get you'' being bolshy only serves to dig a deeper hole for yourself. Holding out an ''Olive Branch' by being tactically subservient might just swing things in your favour. Adopting an attitude of ''them and us'' and accepting that you have no ability through diplomacy to influence the outcome of any interaction with the police bears all the hallmarks of a resentful loser.

@dougaldouglas8842

Жыл бұрын

@@Berlitz81 Hah, hah, hah. When you have dealing with the police you will then see reality, and be shocked.

@Brizlebird

Жыл бұрын

Yes, better lube up because their poor little egos cant cope with anyone treating them with a small percentage of the contempt most of them have for the public.

Just last week I was stopped near my house at night. Found a safe place to pull over, provided my licence while stating "I'm the registered keeper. The car is registered at the same address, I have insurance and mot and tax are up to date". "oh, we know that already". Checked my licence on his hand-held device and sent me on my way. No hassle.

@shuggiemcg1

10 ай бұрын

Late at night they already knew your car was ok, I think this was a 163 to suss out if you had been out drinking or on the blag!

@jorgecalero6325

10 ай бұрын

@@shuggiemcg1 that is correct. They already had my details through ANPR and just wanted to assess whether I was impaired.

@rob8493

3 ай бұрын

@@jorgecalero6325had your details through PNC. They will check pnc which gives insurance details as well. Not all cops have access to anpr. Traffic cops snd static cameras only usually.

Its some years past when i was blulighted onto a motorway hardshoulder by an unmarked car with one officer out of uniform. He then tried to explain how i was in the wrong for not slowing to let him into my lane [ the exit slip onto another motorway] when he chose not to get on the exit lane half a mile earlier. I said i thought it dangerous to slow dramatically to manufacture a gap and that its not my responsibility to take the risk to solve his problem... he claimed that the broken white line between the two motorways was a give way and i should give way when he indicated [ he was only ever alongside me].... i replied that by that logic i would have to slow right down if he did even though there was a solid queue of vehicles doing 70 behind me.... He then "let me" go on my way

With regards to "having a claim" this only applies in England & (I think) Wales. In Scotland you have no claim for police incompetence. Which is of course utterly ridiculous.

I have go away with doing some really stupid things in my younger days by being respectful, courteous and apologetic to police when pulled over...it doesn't hurt to try.

@edeledeledel5490

11 ай бұрын

So long as they don't start with the usual bullshit.

@Sailingon

10 ай бұрын

Same, never had an issue when pulled over. Be polite and friendly. I got away with a caution for speeding even though I knew the original car he was following from a great distance wasn't me. That car passed me like I was standing still and I was speeding just don't argue it always goes bad if you do.

@somebodyelseuk

8 ай бұрын

Same here. I was a boy racer, back in thday. Had loud exhaust, pulled, cop's opening line, 'Good afternoon, Win-commander. Are we cleared for take off?' Laughed my head off. Got a producer, and 5 days to fix the exhaust. Got away with speeding. Other occasion, had the wheels, front bumper nicked off my 16v Astra GTE a few weeks earlier. On my way to collect the number plate, having just picked up the new bumper, got pulled for not having a proper number plate... They'd turned a blind eye - they were the same officers who had attended when I reported it - but it was time it was sorted, they said. Producer and days... 2 hours later, l presented the fixed car and documents at the station... and they sung 'Happy Birthday' to me. They weren't always crooks.

Even here in the US, you have to provide your drivers license, registration, and insurance card if you are pulled over in a vehicle. However, the police do need a reason to stop you. Also, in many states, the passengers do not have to identify themselves during a motor vehicle stop. I think the difference is our right against self incrimination.

@BethlynnGreen12

Жыл бұрын

Legally in the US they can only ask you these things if they're investigating you for a crime but I think most people don't realize that so people comply I'm hoping people are done complying the government and all its entities I've overstepped their bounds 🇺🇸

@1maico1

3 ай бұрын

What do you mean even here? In the UK we don't have id. cards and it is not a requirement to carry a drivers license or insurance documents in the car.

@andrewcoupe9528

3 ай бұрын

@@1maico1 But it is to provide details so checks can be made.

The most antagonistic character from my experience of dealing with the gestapo ('police') is the gestapo officers themselves. I used to support them to the hilt without question. I barely raise a shrug these days when I hear of one getting killed. No, I'm not a criminal, don't associate with criminals, no family members are criminals. The lying gestapo pursued a case against me (wrong place at the wrong time) all the way to Crown Court where thankfully they were shown to be the unmitigated liars that they are quite prepared to be.

@ScorchedEarth-cd5cl

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely spot on

@insightphoto

10 ай бұрын

please don't call them the 'gestapo' - that's a bit of an insult to the police and to the memory of Jewish people in WW2

@ScorchedEarth-cd5cl

10 ай бұрын

@@insightphoto nonsense

@chrisbell5032

9 ай бұрын

Why would you ask someone you do not know to do as you expect?@@insightphoto

@insightphoto

9 ай бұрын

@@chrisbell5032 because they are in the wrong

Very informative, thank you although the HORT/1(producer or sevenday wonder) is very rarely issued these days as all insurance/ licence/mot/ vel details are available at the roadside, so only if the system was down would it revert to old school.

@buxvan

3 ай бұрын

Police officer, no give me producer ! Smiley culture.

Feeling that one needs film the Police to protect oneself is a tragic state of affairs, sadly the standards within the force have been repeatedly proven to have fallen so low that citizens now fear the Police whether innocent or guilty.

@PanglossDr

Жыл бұрын

It is not tragic, it is pure idiocy on the part of the people who do it.

@tonywoodford9164

Жыл бұрын

You don't need to film them . Feeling you do has more to do with social media than anything else

@davet2555

10 ай бұрын

I think part of the problem is that now every time the police get something wrong it receives a lot of publicity and creates a climate of fear; this is not good. In my experience, which is limited, is that the vast majority of coppers do a good job and that gets lost in the bad press. However, if videoing interactions makes people more comfortable, then why not

@Zakalwe76

10 ай бұрын

Are you a white male?

@seamusburke9101

9 ай бұрын

​@@PanglossDryou obviously have no experience of dealing with the police. They are corrupt and therefore highly dangerous.

About ten years back I was living in Surrey and some Essex cops were helping out due to massive flooding in the area at the time. Two of them stopped me on a road that had not long prior had its speed limit reduced at about 3am so I was not the most prompt to stop because I was debating whether or not to go to the layby further down for their safety. In the end I pulled over and admitted as much, and they just said, "Thanks, but let us worry about that." On the other hand, I had a big fight with a fireman because I couldn't go home without going through a road closure put down by the fire service while they were putting out a fire in a nearby field. My house at that time was on an easily missed dirt road and I assume he wasn't aware of it.

@thegreatvincenzo8159

Жыл бұрын

Under the old Fire Services Act 1947, a fireman could order a road closure where there was a fire. Even the Chief Con' couldn't object as it was the law, the fire brigade were in charge. Don't know what the new law says.

Yes, a section 163 stop is legal, but as for a search well that is a different matter all altogether. No police constable is licensed to search the vehicle unless you consent without a search warrant, and you are entitled to request a copy of the search warrant at the time that they search the vehicle. If you consent to the search, you're still entitled to be given a copy of the search.

I have driven for years. The only time I have been stopped was when I was driving a furniture lorry leaving Chelmsford. I was stopped as they wanted to search the back of my lorry as two prisoners has escaped. It was really quick as it was empty.

My father told me to be polite and respectful to the police officer stopping me regardless of the reason for the stop and I have always followed that advice even when the officer has been confrontational to start with. The result has always been that the situation has immediately de-escalated and has usually been resolved amicably.

@Treblaine

Жыл бұрын

Strange the duty is of the ordinary untrained layman to de-escalate rather than the trained professional that has all the power. Even when you excplicitely say the authority figure instigated confrontation. When people get accosted on the street and accused of serious wrongdoing the natural inclination is to respond to such rudeness in kind, but when it's a police officer stopping you for literally no reason - not even an apparent misapprehension - you have to validate his power over you with politeness? How do you politely tell someone they're a tyrant?

@cologne2792

Жыл бұрын

@@Treblaine How do you politely tell someone they're a tyrant? Politely.

@Treblaine

Жыл бұрын

@@cologne2792 Tyrants are very easy to offend.

@nickwinn7812

Жыл бұрын

@@Treblaine Ok, you drive a motor vehicle on the road, or ride a biciycle on the road, so you accept the authority of the police to stop you without needing a reason. You have already agreed to that. Calm down, treat the policeman or woman as your equal human being who is doing the job you have signed up to them doing. If you have done nothing wrong, or commited only a very minor offence, you will, in all likelihood find yourself back on the road in a few minutes with no major inconvenience. Kick off about your "rights" and you can expect a lengthy delay and prosecution. Your choice,

@nickwinn7812

Жыл бұрын

@@cologne2792 Spot on!

Good advice as usual. And my 5 decades experience of Traffic Officers? Sadly, NEVER EVER a positive one. I have no doubt their belligerent and usually arrogant, patronising approach to drivers is to see if they can escalate the situation. Be polite, comply (within what appears reasonable - especially if a woman) and say as little as necessary.

Very useful to know and shouldn't be confused with laws outside of our country.

I was stopped once while walking on Knightsbridge by two special constables . They asked me if anyone had run past. I said no. They then asked for my details. I asked if I’m required to provide my details. They said I must provide my details whenever asked. After I gave them my name and address, they walked off. Not sure why they bothered with all that if they were in pursuit of someone.

The problem isn't them having those powers, it is how they exercise them and the attitude of the police officer(s) to the driver and others. I have been stopped in these 4 or 5 times, all but one of those was quick easy and took very little time. The other involved an officer who really didn't want to be there and it showed in their attitude, no good evening, no please, no thank you and a tone which says it all. They have a job to do and I don't envy them that but manners can go a long way to getting the job done without people reverting to using their mobiles etc.

@ubiquitousubiquitous3843

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you are the problem

@nickmaclachlan5178

Жыл бұрын

I'm 53 and haven't been stopped that many times in 35 years of driving..........

@MarkGilligan4

Жыл бұрын

@@ubiquitousubiquitous3843 Why am I a the problem, all I asked for was to be treated with dignity and respect when stopped randomly. As I said manners cost nothing. If I use manners when talking to a police officer surely I should receive that same in return or is that too much to ask for?

@MarkGilligan4

Жыл бұрын

@@nickmaclachlan5178 I have worked in some bad areas and had to travel at odd times of the night.

To me it seems like a one sided charter to bully whoever they choose.

@hb1338

Жыл бұрын

No, it is the law of the land, which they are authorised to enforce.

@loftyintentions1985

Жыл бұрын

​@@hb1338 please tell me this is sarcasm.

@paulburke7390

Жыл бұрын

Is asking for your driving license and insurance bullying ?

@martyndawson7484

Жыл бұрын

@@paulburke7390 There is no legal requirement to carry them. They do it to inconvenience people needlessly, so I would call that bullying. What happened to the presumption of innocence?

@davidstewart7951

3 ай бұрын

The UK State always enacts laws that enable their agents to have the total advantage over the citizens of the land. Designed in a manner that is so broad, encompassing, they could arrest you for treading on the cracks of the pavement. Its all very well for certain people to quote that old nonsense on it being the law of the land & nothing to hide, nothing to fear, but, when you are constantly at risk or fear of the slightest misdemeanor, error or not, then it has become oppression by Lawfare, "Compared to the rest of the world, we have the best legal system". The only people i have heard spouting that old tosh is members of the UK legal system, or some one earning out of it in some manner or other..

Yes, there is a good reason to be antagonistic to the police, when you have been shafted by them too many times in the past.

A few years back a cop pulled me over because six inches of black elastic was hanging out of my motorcycle's pannier. He used blues too! I was somewhat flabbergasted to say the least. When you see what passes for 'safe' among some road users that was the best he could muster to protect and serve. I just smiled and was indeed polite to him, though I really wanted to call him some saxon names.

People who have hard core beliefs on this topic will never listen to any type of facts or reason such as presented here. They will go to their grave always believing that the police cannot stop them no matter what.

@tonywright8294

Жыл бұрын

They are comonly known as morons

@leavemyrightsalone

Жыл бұрын

The police are there to protect as they're under oath to protect and serve the public; however, but they're being trained to get money to serve the police corporation under LUCIFER! Remember, where do you go for a confession?? is it a church and get your penance, or a police station and they increase their profit?

@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming

Жыл бұрын

@@leavemyrightsalone It must be a worrying life for you. Actually, Police Constables have an oath to that they solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that they will well and truly serve the King in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that they will to the best of their power; cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property.

@leavemyrightsalone

Жыл бұрын

@@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming Wayne couzins was a mere dream that didn't happen, thank gould for that. All the rioting in France where the police are dressed up as soldiers is a mere nightmare. The police in America abuse the Constitution and make sure no one has their right to freedom and liberty. What a deluded world you live in. Brexit, wow!! You must be thankful that happened, now we got more than 40,000 illegals in 5 star hotels. So I guess all that voting worked. WAKE UP!!!

@soupdragonuk

Жыл бұрын

@@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming Except we all know that's not true. Too many officers haven't got a scooby about certain laws. They go in bull-headed, and don't for get the fact that a lot of officers are going for criminal actions. The majority of the public no longer have faith in the police at all.

It's like their implied reason is to check your documents. That's all the 'reason' they need. If you get arsey, this could extend into an examination of your vehicle's roadworthyness.

It's always good practice to ask why you've been stopped, especially if you record the encounter. If the officer says they stopped you for no particular reason they cannot later claim they did so because they thought you were speeding or driving dangerously. Just in case they try to pin something on you that you were not doing. It happens... Not all of the time, but it does happen.

@mostevil1082

Жыл бұрын

Back before recording was readily available they once told me it was for running a red light at a roundabout that doesn't have traffic lights. A very confusing stop, but she was otherwise very nice and they went on their way.

@davesmart8414

Жыл бұрын

Agree, ask under which section u have been stopped

My only issue with this police power is that it omits the usual "with just cause" protection. We are rapidly becoming a Police State.

@thejaysatspindrift

Жыл бұрын

lol, A Police State afraid to do proper policing in certain areas so they need to advertise strength in the easy domains… pathetic 😢

@iluvgsds

11 ай бұрын

??? It has been in force since 1988. Nothing new.

"A Producer" in my time was called a "7 day wonder", I had to do it many times as a motorcyclist but it was never because I had an incident, it was just a random stop. Motorcyclist very rarely carry their documents around - No where to put them, but always carry your driving license in your wallet for when they scrape you up off the floor to identify you.

@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming

Жыл бұрын

Don't say that! I have had to scrape more than one poor motorcyclist off the road/road signs/car roof in my time and you are 100% right. Keep your photo license on you so your NOk can be quickly told.

@hb1338

Жыл бұрын

My insurance company gives me a plastic card the same size as a credit card, which has on it all the details of my policy. Most police officers will accept it instead of the official certificate, which I keep safely at home.

@kathyotoole4608

Жыл бұрын

@@hb1338 Some insurance cards can be accessed online so you can pull it up on your phone.

@trevorferguson6222

Жыл бұрын

The police themselves often advise motorists not to carry their documents in the vehicle as in the event of a theft or break in there is stuff there to help the thieves. As you correctly point out the driving licence is usually in one's wallet.

@edeledeledel5490

Жыл бұрын

They would get that from your bike registration. They need it before they start removing donor parts.

This is why I subscribe to the channel. I am basically pretty dumb, but clever enough to know where to get my info and knowledge from. My subscribed to list is pretty short!

The flip side to this annoying occurrence is that such random checks have two positives. If a driver of a car is found not to be the owner or is unqualified to drive ie, no licence or insurance they are immediately removed from the road therefore protecting the general public, secondly seeing such random stops a great number of people will be encouraged to carry their licences with them and check their insurance is up to date. I have been stopped many times and have had no problems and in spite of the continual and often quite deserved complaints the average copper is still well respected even if his superiors leave one frustrated.

According to dvla you are the registered keeper wich is differant to owner

Don't forget to mention that you can also be requested to follow a DVSA Inspector/Officer if he puts his lights on in front of you so you must follow them to get your vehicle inspected. I didn't even know this was real, but they operate all our motorways and if you don't follow them to get your vehicle (any vehicle) inspected, expect them to follow you until the police arrive to assist.

@kempshott

Жыл бұрын

Some police vehicles also have a matrix sign in the rear window. I've seen them display "follow me" on motorways to a stop somewhere safer.

@rb5174

Жыл бұрын

Surely only commercial vehicles or cars with caravans , trailers, as that’s all they can inspect

@Elfin4

Жыл бұрын

@@rb5174 They can pull in any vehicle. They are responsible for driver and vehicle safety

@Turbomgzt

3 ай бұрын

Nah, I only pull over for blue lights. Anything else, I'd call the police if someone is trying to stop me on a highway with Anything but blue lights. Stay safe people.

@Turbomgzt

3 ай бұрын

​@Elfin4 they do not carry warrant cards, therefore do not have power of arrest. What they gonna do, throw stones at you?

If you get pulled over are you obliged to get out of your car and/or get into the back of a police car? If so, how would this effect lone female drivers, bearing in mind recent cases in the media regarding predatory male police officers?

@ubiquitousubiquitous3843

Жыл бұрын

No you are not

@jacko717

Жыл бұрын

You're under absolutely no obligation to sit in the police car unless you've been arrested (obviously.) I did say once when I was stopped and told to "come and sit in my vehicle" .."thank you officer but I'll stay where I am for now.'

@geordiewishart1683

Жыл бұрын

I know that the Police Federation on England and Wales have been petitioning to get the traffic legislation updated in this regard as the only onus on a driver is to stop. It would enhance safety if the legislation specified that a driver etc had to exit the vehicle in order for police to conduct a particular function or task.

@richardgiles2484

Жыл бұрын

Why just loan female drivers? What about a loan male driver? After all, we are all equal ?????🤣

@leavemyrightsalone

Жыл бұрын

The police can't take NO for an answer, so when you get asked to get out your can and refuse, record everything. Your windows are going through and you are being kidnapped. No one likes NO and the people vetted for the police hate NO!! LUCIFER will not be made to look a fool..

I’ve been driving for over 30 years and been pulled over once, the officer was really nice, he thought I was drunk but my tire was a bit flat hence the driving, I hadn’t noticed. I asked if it was safe for me to drive to the nearest garage and told yes, then I was on my way. I’m now more mindful of checking my tires. I could have been in trouble but I think the officer saw that I was obviously concerned about the safety and just let me go

I was involved in a collision many years ago and had produced my driving license at the scene but didn’t have mot and insurance cert with me so was issued with a producer. I took the documents to the police station and they required my driving license as well even though it had already been produced. The force involved then also accused me of failing to provide a specimen of breath for testing, when I pointed out that no one had actually asked for it this annoyed them but reluctantly they let it go 🤣 (for the record, I would have been quite happy to give a sample which would have shown zero as I hadn’t had a drink for months probably)

@macsmith6216

Жыл бұрын

If you’d supposedly refused to give a specimen of breath you’d have been arrested on the spot and taken to the station Porky pies maybe

@_chrisr_

Жыл бұрын

@@macsmith6216 I had been taken by Air Ambulance to a hospital. I only heard about the failing to provide a specimen thing when they telephoned me to arrange the producer.

@_chrisr_

Жыл бұрын

@@DM-ur8vc I think it varies, there was a time was I was pulled over on a motorway for speeding in a 50 zone for roadworks. I might have been exceeding that but an unmarked car was travelling behind close to me and I sped up to pull into to lane 2 to allow the agressive car past. When the car behind slowed down and followed me into lane 2 I realised that it might not just be an agressive driver. Anyway he pulled me over and I was just contrite and said there was a car travelling too close to me causing me to pull over - the officer apologised and that was the end of it.

@macsmith6216

Жыл бұрын

@@_chrisr_ So even though you were so badly injured at the scene and required an air ambulance, you still managed to provide the police with some of your documents , I actually can’t stop laughing You do realise how stupid that comment is You’ve been caught lying, and are only making a bigger tit of yourself

@macsmith6216

Жыл бұрын

@@DM-ur8vc And some people on here don’t live in the real world

'Random stop checks' means they want to go fishing. Unless it's one of their seasonal drink drive campaigns, or your vehicle has been flagged for whatever reason, if you haven't done anything wrong, why else would you get stopped?

@ianking8315

Жыл бұрын

correct david spear.

@seraphina985

Жыл бұрын

They also do or at least did sometimes do random checks to ensure vehicles were compliant with the construction and use regulations. Basically just checking things like tire tread depth, working lights, and such. They used to do them more in winter although I had not seen one in years back when I left the UK and that was a few years back.

@nct948

Жыл бұрын

@@seraphina985 the MOT is supposed to check these so the police has less need to carry out these checks.

@jeremypnet

Жыл бұрын

@@nct948 tyres can go below the legal minimum between MOT’s. You can even get an MOT for an unsafe car at a price, probably. You should be glad that the police are making sure that the vehicles you have to share the road with are safe.

@hb1338

Жыл бұрын

@@nct948 MOT certificate reports ONLY that the vehicle was lawful at the time of the test.

I think that the sensible option is never to stop at night for an unmarked vehicle particularly if you are a lone woman driver. Someone near me was reportedly driving around with blue lights attached to the vehicle and stopping vehicles at random. You cannot see at night whether this is a constable in uniform. But you must immediately telephone 999 and ask the police whether they have an unmarked vehicle in that area and what make it is. That is your defence to not stopping. The alternative, if you are nearby, is to drive to your home address in a sensible fashion and deal with whoever is trying to stop you there, explaining why you have not stopped. If you are sensible and polite, the police will not have a leg to stand on on court-if it comes to that. And in case you ask, I have 37 years of experience in the criminal courts.

How do you prove you own a vehicle? The V5 says at the top Not proof of ownership, so what is proof of ownership??? As in a PCN it says Notice to owner, if I can't PROVE I own it who does???

I've been stopped a few times in the wee small hours randomly by the police. A quick, polite exchange and I've been on my way. I don't habitually carry my documents with me and I've never even been asked to produce them.

@johnchipperfield3367

Жыл бұрын

all my documents are on my phone, apart from my licence obviously.

@nswinoz3302

Жыл бұрын

@@johnchipperfield3367 interesting, are they considered legal documents or are they just carried that way for convenience? We never get asked for any of that as to be registered for road use, and they know it’s licence even before you get asked to stop. Our licence are also on our mobile now asa backup, but I’ve always carried a photo licence since before 1980 as you are fined for not carrying it.

@Mr-J...

Жыл бұрын

​@@nswinoz3302 RTA holds provisions for showing your docs electronically. Further still, it provides provision for an officer to provide the means of access electronically to allow you to demonstrate your documents (license & insurance). Though the only way to do this is by putting your login details into an unknown device, so that's not something I will ne doing

@davidbrown7883

Жыл бұрын

@@johnchipperfield3367 In the UK we don't even have, or want, national ID cards.

@freespeechmatters583

Жыл бұрын

@@kriskcar Wouldn't you rather have facial scanning to let you into your front door, into restaurants, shops, countryside car parks etc. So much more convenient. That seems like a great future.

Is it not fair to say that ''suspicion is someones opinion, without evidence of a crime'' ?

@jameswest9388

Жыл бұрын

Usually it’s backed by something.

Thanks for clearing that one up👍🏻

Police? A nasty enigma. In the 1980's my mother was stopped for failing to display a car tax disk. No license was requested by the officer. The tax disk envelope had ceased to be adhesive and fallen off her windscreen. Being respectable and well-intentioned, if a bit scatty, she'd put it in her coat pocket for safe keeping. We were stopped as we walked up the road with a shout of "Oi! You two." (Charming). The young policeman appeared profoundly shocked when mother produced the item from her pocket. He delivered a lecture and she put the item back beneath the windscreen. I remarked simply, in an amicable manner with no ill-intention, "That must have given you a bit of a surprise." He replied "Bastard" and punched me in the face. I was advised by the police complaints authority that my mother was an inadequate witness to assault. Plods? I've been in contempt of them ever since. For every action there is an equal and opposite. I need them, can respect and yet despise them. A (very) nasty enigma.

There was a checkpoint i was pulled at a while ago at Stansted and was polite and handed over what they wanted but another person argued the toss so they had him walk around his car with them lol. Sure they were talking about his tyres when i left.

Thank you for taking the time to educate people on their rights and how the relevant laws apply to them. It's nice to have a calm, no bs, explanation. 👍

@TheRealSwampOperator

Жыл бұрын

Lol " educate people on their rights" In the UK its simple.. you don't have any

I don't understand how it can ever be legal for them to stop you unless you have committed an offence just because you are driving riding if you haven't committed any crime or offence under the road traffic act

Short and succinct, nicely done,hopefully this may prevent many unnecessary confrontations, thankyou.

So...if my vehicle is powered by a sail they can't stop me 😂

@alexmorgan3435

Жыл бұрын

You will be subject to maritime law and as a skipper you have similar legal duties and responsibilities to comply with.

@seraphina985

Жыл бұрын

@@alexmorgan3435 I suspect there is some more general law that governs using some non-roadworthy contraption on the road that would work too.

@leavemyrightsalone

Жыл бұрын

The way things are going, it just might come to that.

@hb1338

Жыл бұрын

@@seraphina985 Anything you take onto the road must at least be properly controllable - wind power might not qualify..

@hb1338

Жыл бұрын

@@alexmorgan3435 Maritime laws apply only on water.

Part of the problem is that you can be pursued by an unmarked police car and not be aware that the driver or passenger has a police uniform on. This is simply because of the reflections caused by modern steeply raked windscreens, the dark interior of the vehicle or it may be at night. With the reports of car crime and assaults you may be wishing to take evasive action. Blue lights may not be seen because they will invariably be sited in the grille area that may be out of direct view depending on the proximity of the vehicle and the visibility rearwards from your car (thick pillars, tall rear window, enclosed van etc. Your photo card driving license has both your recorded address and the date of birth as well as your photo and signature, so that giving your driving license should provide all the officer wants. Modern police cars are fitted with a direct link to the DVLA data base, which means that they can instantly access your insurance and MOT status, there should be no reason for giving a producer other than bloody mindedness, more so that police stations are few and far between, resulting in unreasonably lengthy journeys

@jerry2357

Жыл бұрын

Some of us are old enough to have an old-style paper driving license. But these do contain the necessary information, too.

@wessexdruid7598

Жыл бұрын

@@jerry2357 You're still in the database.

@HapaxLegomenon12

Жыл бұрын

My Dad’s number plate was recently cloned. Producing details would confirm they are who they should be, as they are unlikely to be able to clone and doctor the license to go with the number plate. Other than that extreme case, I’m with you on that. They would normally also be able to see that the car does not match the description.

@clivewilliams3661

Жыл бұрын

@@HapaxLegomenon12 In my case I presented a photocard of my driving license and thus a check on the DVLA data base by the police would show my name against the insurance, and registered keeper and the MOT would go with the car that those documents refer to so there was no need for a producer. I can see the need for a producer if the driver did not have a photo license to hand or that the driver's name wasn't on the data base.

@davesmart8414

Жыл бұрын

You have the legal right to drive to a safe place, as long as you make it clear you are not refusing to stop

There is also a situation that if an officer approaches your vehicle, you are allowed to ask why you have been stopped. If they state the act like 163, then all they can do is to have stopped the car. You can then clarify this as "is my handbrake on?, am I stationary?" That way you show you have complied with the act, but if the officer offers no request like "I am stopping you under 163 through to 165", you can state that you intend to leave scene as you have complied with 163. Under PACE ( Police And Criminal Evidence acts ). The officer also needs to be in uniform as BBB stated, but a clause is FULL uniform. If officer deems a ticket should be issued and does, make sure you have pic of officer without hat or in plain clothes. Last time I saw a ticket book, Mother barrister at Law and son in force, it stated in small print below signatory line, "you agree to the above offence being committed". You dont have to sign and you can refuse ticket. They will probably still post to you but by not signing, gives you a chance to argue ticket in court as you have not admitted to any wrongdoing by signing. Stay safe all.

A few years ago. I used to be out and about in the early hours delivering newspapers in bulk. I was self employed driving my own vehicle. When I was driving a transit van, I used to be stopped most nights. Not a problem, usually I noticed the police car following me, afrer a while the blue light's, I stopped, I would give my name, then that was it. Occasionally I would be asked where I was going, never a problem, the stop would be a few seconds. When my load reduced, I changed to a 4x4, I very rarely got stopped in the 4x4. I feel these videos we see are just being awkward for the video. My experience was to give my name, end of, the police had checked me and my vehicle before the stop. I could see the reasoning behind the van being stopped, I could have been a burglar, also vans get stolen, so I didnt mind.

The reason some people get argumentative when pulled over by the police. Are usually those who think the rules of the road don't apply to them

@xhogun8578

Жыл бұрын

Or they think they are amazing drivers but are only amazing at driving erratically.

@ianking8315

Жыл бұрын

not necessarily true they should have a reason not just to obtain details afterall its your identity and it should be private unless you have done something wrong.

@ubiquitousubiquitous3843

Жыл бұрын

@@ianking8315nope the law is clear

@ianking8315

Жыл бұрын

@@ubiquitousubiquitous3843 no they are not they are as clear as mud.

@ubiquitousubiquitous3843

Жыл бұрын

@@ianking8315 what law confuses you? RTA is clear, your identity being given to a police officer is largely irrelevant because you are already on the databases the police use, they are simply confirming. Are you trying to claim some data protection type issue ?

I think some people forget that laws can vary between countries as I believe in the US or at least some of the states they need a reason as I think it was on Steve Lehto's KZread channel where someone had their conviction or arrest thrown out as the officer stopped them on a hunch. But even if they got confused as to the country as an officer in the Royal Navy told the crew on a documentary following the ship it is best to not argue or resist police when they stopped in New Orleans as they can be prone to shoot first question later and it is easier to get it sorted the next morning

@seraphina985

Жыл бұрын

It's generally unwise to argue with law enforcement, it is also generally unwise to argue with those that have superiority in arms and/or armour. Often these things all coincide in a single person in many countries making extra unwise.

Anyone can buy blue lights online, and uniforms can be acquired too. I don't stop for unmarked vehicles until I've checked with 111 to make sure the vehicle trying to stop me is a police vehicle. Not so long ago a chap was driving around in Newport, pulling people over in an unmarked car that he fitted with lights, and assaulting them.

Instant sub … I love these breakdowns 🙏🏼

British policemen are nice, as I have seen several times. I was stopped several times for speeding. Each time it ended with a warning. Once a police officer told me that I was going to get a bill to fix their car because their engine started smoking as they chased me halfway across the city. But that's where it ended. I never got a ticket. Usually they invited me to their car and checked me on the computer. Now I'm more careful. I'm getting old. By the way, it never occurred to me to question the police's right to control. Usually, by the time a police officer approached me, I was already holding my driver's license for him with a remorseful face.

@bojo88

Жыл бұрын

🤣 That reminds me of when my husband was pulled over on his motorbike for speeding. The policeman that stopped him was so impressed with his bike that he wanted a good look at it and had a long discussion with my husband about the bike before telling him that, "It goes like 💩 off a shovel!", to take it easy and have a great rest of his day. He then left him to go on his way (a bit slower this time though I believe! 😆)

@grahamo22

Жыл бұрын

"British policemen are nice, as I have seen several times" There are millions of people who would say otherwise. In common with most police forces, they are not to be trusted under any circumstances.

@kevinbrown-ge6sz

Жыл бұрын

Watch Crimbebodge KZread channel. British policemen can be mean and petty.

@davesmart8414

Жыл бұрын

Never get in the back of a police vehicle

@mick9419

Жыл бұрын

​@@grahamo22 that's because they have not experienced policing in other countries, that is why they would disagree.

There was a case which was ruled unlawful by the IPCA where people who had attended an exit international conference had to go through a breath testing checkpoint that was set up to collect the names and details of the people who had attended

@pinballrobbie

Жыл бұрын

That happened in New Zealand also.

@him5695

Жыл бұрын

That's because even though they have Section 163 rights to stop anyone they can't abuse their powers ie target innocent people or black people etc it must be used honestly to prevent crime

@shambhangal438

9 ай бұрын

@@him5695 I don't think they can use it to prevent crime - they can only stop you in relation to a road traffic offence. They can also only stop you to to get your driving licence, insurance and MOT. If they ask for anything else, you can then start the 'on what basis' stuff. Get out of your car, lock it with all the windows closed, wait near it and show them your driving licence when they approach, and then answer any reasonable questions, but query anything that implies guilt on your part for anything other than a traffic offence, or asking to search your car for anything other than a traffic offence. The standard response for any non-traffic related stuff is 'I'm happy to come to the station to be interviewed under caution with a duty solicitor present if you confirm to me that you have enough evidence against me to justify it', and record it on your phone. They'll know you've just fast tracked them to a false arrest claim if they do pretty much anything without evidence from that point.

Long time driver. Stopped 3 times. Got out, smiled, made nice, had a chat and sent On my way. No hassle, no agro. Police are not all gits. Least of all traffic officers.

In Australia yes. Police can use a random breath test to stop you and request licence to make sure you are fully licensed and match with your rego Of course they then do a search on your licence and the rego has already been run before stopping you.

Great video! I wish u can educate more ppl that follow others and end up doing the wrong thing!

I wear a police style bodycam especially at night, its got infra red for video in low light, fantastic audio, date and time stamps when its switched on and GPS data. You will find once they know you are wearing it they suddenly stop being aggressive and belligerent. Trust me it works.

@JustBadly

Жыл бұрын

When you think of it a bodycam is far more useful than a dashcam.

@ChrisLee-yr7tz

Жыл бұрын

Could you tell me the brand and model?

I once got stopped by a cop after I sounded my horn (justifiably, I thought) when the cop-car moved out of a slip-road onto an A-road, forcing me to brake and swerve to avoid a collision, at 5am. During the stop, the cop first tried to imply that he thought I might be driving a stolen vehicle and that I'd been speeding (both, apparently, based on the 30 seconds the cop-car had been in front of me after joining the A-road) and then claimed that the police had reports of illegal drugs being transported along the road and insisted I empty my bags out of my car. in the dark and rain, so they could be searched. Finally, after all that, I was given a fixed-penalty for "sounding my horn during unsociable hours". Seeking to avoid further hassle, I paid the fixed-penalty although I later realised, after looking at the related laws, that I probably could have refuted the charges on the basis that I HAD sounded my horn justifiably AND that the relevant law only applies to urban areas and shouldn't apply to a secluded A-road. My point, though, is that it was glaringly obvious that the cop was going through a list of "rote" reasons to justify stopping a motorist before finally deciding to punish me for bruising his ego by making it obvious that he hadn't noticed 2 tonnes of bright blue Land Rover beside his car as he drove along the slip-road.

In my experience it was the attitude of the officer that started a lack of willingness to comply, and a vindictiveness on the part of the officer that made it worse. It wasn't my fault he stood in the deep puddle.

How many of us has actually bought and read the Highway Code book since they passed their test...??? and how many rules have changed since then...???

@fredbloggs5902

Жыл бұрын

And your point is?…

@gordon861

Жыл бұрын

The 'rules' might have changed, but the underlying legislation (the bits of the Highway Code referred to as MUST/MUST NOT) are still mostly the same.

@ianhandforth5672

Жыл бұрын

i never read it then,,

@Ted_1

Жыл бұрын

Showing your age. Highway code is online now, if you haven't looked at it since passing your test, be ashamed of yourself and go and read it.

@bojo88

Жыл бұрын

I signed up to it online and they email me to let me know of any changes.

I've been stopped a number of times (twice for driving round a roundabout, errr twice, go figure), but never actually been given a ticket. I've always found an overdose of friendly and humble pie gets me on my way, even the time I'd gone out with no ID or licence on me (in France of all places)...😏🇨🇵🤣

I had 3 police officers at my door wanting me to come out. I offered them to come in instead. I was under arrest for I crime I hadn’t committed. Now obviously I knew I was innocent but, there was no need to argue with the police because they had nothing to do with the investigation, they were there to pick me up and take me to the police station. I was only there for 6 hrs and I got pizza and coffees so it wasn’t all too bad and the detectives dealing with the case, had my name cleared in less then 3 months. If you’re innocent, help the police clear you. If you know you did it, well then own up to your actions. One main issue we have in the UK is that people who educate themselves in social media forget that we do not have the same rules then in the USA. We don’t have a 1, 2 amendment etc

The interesting bit is the addition of “Traffic Officer” by the 2004 Traffic Management Act which gives designated Traffic Officers the same powers, but only for certain purposes mostly concerning movement of traffic. Since it is hard to see how knowing or obtaining a driver’s name and address would be necessary for those purposes, a Teaffic Officer might exceed his powers by exercising a power the amended act appears to give him without restriction, but the amending act restricts.

Thank you for the clarification. Always good to hear this from a professionals point of view.

@folkmoot36

Жыл бұрын

The aforementioned road traffic acts are ultra virus. It have been proven in court many times, that under common law you are entitled to your anonymity whether traveling in a car or walking down the street. The police assume you are drive which is a commercial term and not traveling in the private.

Thanks Mr. Belt. Be nice, be respectable, but do not say anything to self-incriminate. (to quote Bruce Rivers: stop self-snitching)

@leavemyrightsalone

Жыл бұрын

NO! that is when you are under arrest and given your rights, but you snitch on yourself by not understanding your right to silence. Just stay silent, and the word no springs to mind, the word that is liken to a cross to a vampire.

@hb1338

Жыл бұрын

@@leavemyrightsalone Silence is not without its dangers. "You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence."

@leavemyrightsalone

Жыл бұрын

@@hb1338 Dangers? You mean you fear them. hahahahahahahah FEAR rules you it seems.

“Hey Mr Police-man, don’t give me no producer”.

I was stopped many years ago in a massed random stop on the A316 in Twickenham. They had coned off one lane and were pulling people out of the traffic for 'checks'. Five or six cars at a time , we were then approched by multiple Government Agencies asking for information. I objected and was held for a long time and threatened with arrest by the police. I eventually had to acquiesce as it was second week of a new job, being arrested would have been bad.

The police can check for a valid MOT on the internet via a smart phone. Insurance too, I believe.

@stuartb4525

Жыл бұрын

They have computer access. I never carry any documents.

@MrBurtonshaw

Жыл бұрын

anyone can check if a car has an mot

@stuartb4525

Жыл бұрын

The car might have MOT, and insurance, however, the ACTUAL driver may not have insurance or to go further no licence.

@MrBurtonshaw

Жыл бұрын

@@Kentworlds it's on the internet too.. as far as MOTs go

@hb1338

Жыл бұрын

There are some restrictions on what information the insurance companies provide, but I don't think that they affect the ability to find out whether you have valid insurance.

What about if your documents are with the DVLA, for renewal for example? The DVLA website does mention this is a reasonable reason for not producing your documents. With the current speed at which the DVLA is currently operating, it could be months before your could produce your documents.

@medler2110

Жыл бұрын

From my experience if you claim you can't produce your licence because its with DVLA the Police will check on the DVLA database.

@nickmaclachlan5178

Жыл бұрын

Lies, I just changed the address on my licence and it literally came back return of post.

@mcdon2401

Жыл бұрын

@@nickmaclachlan5178 that's a bit harsh. Just because you received your documents back quickly doesn't mean that will ALWAYS be the case. I've had instances in the past where I've posted documents in and had nothing back for weeks.

@jakey1995abc

Жыл бұрын

@@nickmaclachlan5178 Lies, I did the same and it got sent to the wrong address.

@medler2110

Жыл бұрын

​@@nickmaclachlan5178 If you're lucky it comes back quickly, but it also can get stuck in the system, if this wasn't the case there wouldn't be provision in Section 88 of The Road Traffic Act, to allow someone to drive even though they don't hold a current licence.

To be asked to produce an MOT certificate should not be in this list of documents. The DVSA have told testers to not print these and advise those presenting a vehicle for test as it is available to view online. Not surprisingly these changes in legal requirements don’t match.

Love watching your videos, I can not remember when an HORT1 was last issued, and a PNC. check now tells the officer everything they need to know. Quite often drivers don't know what the 8 animals are that they must report if in a collision with any.

The requirement to produce MOT, registration and insurance details would seem redundant since the police can check these details on their system. I would be disappointed if I provided my license, name and address and verbally provided details of the registered owner and was then told I had to provide the paper documents.

When stopped on my motorbike for no reason yet again one of the plods tried to get smart, saying ‘Your face looks familiar, haven’t I seen you somewhere before?’ To which I replied “Well I’m always up at the station producing my documents.” He said, good one I like that.

In Australia , especially NSW, and I assume all other states, you only need to produce your license and that is all they ask for, vehicle documents are not required as they already have these details from the Government's database, so they known if the vechicle is registered/insured/road worthy before you are stopped, Cheers, Garry from DownUnder

The whole ‘free man on the lands’ was hilarious to me

@themanwithnoname9333

Жыл бұрын

This chaps good as well 😂

I feel this part of the traffic act is abused by some police officers, that they can just pull a vehicle on public road, and stop anyone, anywhere and demand the details of the driver, the bit that gets me is people don’t know that plain clothes officers do not have the powers to stop, but people just see the blue flashing lights and body armour and just assume have same power as uniform officer, under road traffic act.

@geordiewishart1683

Жыл бұрын

Officers have to be in uniform in order to conduct traffic stops. But what is "uniform" in such circs? Courts have ruled that uniform is such clothing so as to give the impression that the wearer is a police officer. So a plain clothes detective wearing a police base ball cap and body armour could be construed as being in uniform.

@nct948

Жыл бұрын

@@geordiewishart1683 I am wondering if in such circumstances it is possible to ask for a proof confirming the policeman's identity.

@seraphina985

Жыл бұрын

@@nct948 They should be carrying their warrant card and should be prepared to present the same if they are making a stop I believe. I know they are required to do so when they choose to invoke their stop and search powers so I would presume the same would apply here.

@WayneFoxUK

Жыл бұрын

Yes, an excuse to intimidate or harrass if they so choose.

@Scouser89Liverpool22

Жыл бұрын

@@geordiewishart1683 each police force has to have a document in regards to what is classed as uniform (www.merseyside.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/merseyside/policies/dress-appearance-policy.pdf) page 16. This is my local force, so legally if an officer in jeans, trainers and body armour with appropriate equipment pulled you over, weather he shows a warrant card or not, legally not in uniform (as per policy) so the powers of the road traffic act 1988, section 163 they do not have the power to stop you, would be very interesting court case if they tried to argue you drove off from an officer.