Wow. I thought that the Pulsar 2 had a battery heater. I would think considering the cold climate it would be an option. Great video

@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks David 😊 As far as I understand there is a thermal management system which makes sure the battery is in correct temperature during a drive, but unfortunately it seems this does not heat up the battery during preconditioning. It heats up the battery during the 50 first kilometers or so. Not a big showstopper, but it explains high consumption on shorter trips.

Good stuff. 👍🏻Seems like Polestar with a future heat pump and battery pre-heating choice will be a good match. Still a great car without and I am looking forward to picking my PS2 up in a week.

@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere

3 жыл бұрын

It is still a great car without a heat pump 😀 A future "long range" version with heat pump, battery pre-heating and a tesla-like motor setup the car can choose to only run on one motor to make it more efficient, could be interesting :) Good luck with your new car! 😎

Cool test, in every aspect 😉👍

@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍😊

This video has convinced me to wait for the 2022 model. It isn't available in the USA yet but hopefully soon.

@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere

3 жыл бұрын

It will be exciting to see how much the difference will be with the added heatpump. I think I read somewhere that it would add up to 10% more range. To be honest, I don't think I would miss the heat pump, as it will probably make more noise and it is also a part that needs to be serviced at some point. If the added range is that low, I'm fine doing a few minutes extra at the supercharger 😊 Polestar is also working on preheating of battery, which will come in an OTA. That will be very nice during winter 👍

I prefer your way of testing more than what your "next door neighbor" Tesla-B does. You look at real life usage more than 1000 km challenges. Cheers, keep it up.

@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the nice comments 😀 I`m not trying to compete with Tesla-B, I just make these videos for fun. Happy you enjoy my videos 😀

@eriklonneborg4697

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere I beleive the british have the saying "horses for courses". If so you would be my horse. ;-)

@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! Thanks mate 😅👍

Actually considering one currently - this lack of battery management /care is worrisome

@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere

3 жыл бұрын

I would not consider this a reason not to buy this car, unless you have a long daily commute where you are at the limits of the cars range or some similar usage pattern. For my use this is not a big issue, although it would have been nice with battery heating both before start and also like the Tesla has where it pre-heats the battery before you get to a supercharger so you get fast charging speeds.

Weird that a "Nordic" car has no battery pre-heater...probably no software fix, as likely to be a hardware omission with no post-factory fix. This would increase the car range for 3 reasons - battery efficiency, braking recharging sooner, even the charging speed/efficiency. Plus no A/C energy wastage if there is a heat pump, so more range too - hence the Tesla 3 is 40 miles (65 km) better. Mark 2 version of P2 will be so much better.

@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere

3 жыл бұрын

Agree, it`s really weird. Would be fun to see if the next car from Polestar or Volvo will have that in place. Nevertheless, it seems like they did improve a lot with the last SW update, as the car seems more efficient now.

Interesting, I took for granted there is a battery heater. So have you determined whether Level 2 (40A) charging the car just before departure adds any appreciable amount of heat to the battery?

@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere

3 жыл бұрын

If there is one, it is for sure not active when you preheat the car. Since there is no way to monitor actual battery temp it's hard to say, but I don't notice any difference if the car has been charging on my home charger or not. The grayed out field that indicates the battery can't regen is at max both if the car has been on the charger or not.

@speede541

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere Disappointing but I'm staying tuned. Thankfully I live in a temperate climate so shouldn't be too affected. My other supposition is this battery has active cooling to control temps during DC charging and hard driving!

@speede541

3 жыл бұрын

Supposedly from a Polestar post on Facebook, via a thread on Reddit: "The thermal management of the high voltage battery is liquid based, allowing both heating and cooling of the system in order to maintain the battery within its operating range. In winter conditions it is recommended to use preconditioning and have the charge cable plugged in to have the best possible range, performance and interior climate."

@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere

3 жыл бұрын

So maybe a future update could include heating the battery when you are plugged in a charger and use the preconditioning feature? Weird they didn`t include it from the start though.

In all honesty my Model 3 does pretty much the same thing. The only difference is that it will heat the battery during pre-heating as well as during driving, but overall energy consumption is very little different to this in the -10 to 15C we've been having the last month.

@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it`s not the biggest of issues. I guess it could add a few kilometers of range if it was possible to pre-heat the battery and it could also make the consumption numbers look nicer if your usage pattern was something like "pre-heat every morning before going to work, drive 50km or less to work, pre-heat before going home from work". The other thing your Tesla have, that my Polestar lacks is the possibility to heat the battery before arriving to a supercharger to get faster charging.

@15bit62

3 жыл бұрын

@@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere - I'd say it actually is quite a big issue, as for usage profiles where people tend to do mostly short journeys around town, the extra energy used to heat the battery is entirely wasted. For people who can't charge at home, it then really increases the inconvenience of EV ownership if you have to visit the charger twice as often. And the electricity bill is going to be pretty much the same whether you pre-heat or not, as thermodynamics is absolute - heating a 500kg battery pack takes the same (large) amount of energy whether you do it before or after you start driving. Personally i'd prefer to have it not bother heating the battery at all for short journeys. I'm not sure so many people around this area of Norway actually have a 50km commute. More like 15-30km. I completely agree about the supercharger pre-heating. That is an inexcusable omission by Polestar.

Usually best not to buy the first year of any model so that the bugs can be worked out. A "Swedish" car should work in winter.

@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere

3 жыл бұрын

That`s a safe approach, but then you miss out all the fun of being first 😉 Putting the cold battery aside, the P2 is the best car I`ve ever driven in winter conditions! It`s a beast!

@mho0

Жыл бұрын

I think now battery preconditioning is added and charging curve generally also improved. So should not be no issues in that area anymore.

@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere

Жыл бұрын

Yes that is correct. It is now possible to preheat battery when connected to AC charger if you charge to 90%-100% and schedule departure time. It will also heat the battery when you add DC fast charger as destination in google maps, so you arrive at the charger with optimal battery temp for fast charging.

Har sett videoen flere ganger iløpet av året… Ca 2kw (3kwh/100km) høyere forbruk med kaldt batteri, men slutt prosenten vistes ikke🤔 Ca 20% totalt på første runden og 10% halvveis på andre runden skulle vel tilsi…20% på andre runden også🤔 Men klart, BMS og % visninga er nok ikke så nøyaktig. Med dagens software (des 23)vil det vel komme frem HVA som bruker strøm, eller🤔 Isåfall, ta denne runden en gang til😊🥶

@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere

7 ай бұрын

Jeg synes ikke prosenten er så veldig relevant, bilen brukte 21.7 kWh/100 km på den første runden og 18.8 kWh/100 km på den andre runden. Gammel video, men den bekrefter vel at funksjonen for forvarming av batteri var kjærkommen dersom man ønsker å få absolutt lavest mulig forbruk når man skal på langtur. Helt ærlig så synes jeg ladeinfrastrukturen rundt om, samt rekkevidde og ladehastighet på dagens biler er så bra at det spiller liten rolle om bilen bruker 17 eller 24 kWh/100, så jeg synes ikke forbrukstester er så relevant lenger. :)

@royo-ev

7 ай бұрын

@@Vegard-Driving-Somewhere sant nok, va bare nerden som lurte. Kjører 24kw Leaf å selv den går det fint i Finnmark å kjøre med, så ladere er det plenty av, og forbruk er bare ett tall.