Yeah. Bitter irony is, Jann's song is about show-business sellouts and he lost to someone with connections to both national TV and the jury all over her.

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

oh lol yea thats so true 🤦🏻‍♂️

I normally try not to write cheesy comments, BUT: Tom, we always loved you. You are our favourite content creator. But you will never be able to imagine how much this exact video meant to us. You explained it and summarised it perfectly. You acknowledged how sad this is for polish people. You acknowledged how bad this is. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!! ❤

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

no problem Marta, thank you for the lovely comment 🥰 I know how horrible it must feel when your country has a potential top 5 song, and then some idiots are so self absorbed that they just rig it for someone else. terrible

@FreQ_97

Жыл бұрын

Same thing happend with Rafał Brzozowski.

@noroaa

Жыл бұрын

@@FreQ_97 with rafal it was better because they just picked him without making preselections and didn't steal our money

@FreQ_97

Жыл бұрын

​@@ESCTom Rafał Brzozowski two years ago was their pick without even National selections. He Has been their guy since beginning. He Has no talent but he Has a lot of connections. There is no democracy in our county. Everything is faked, propaganda is everywhere. U see TVP ruled entirely by government and TVN as opposing TV station to TVP and government (because IT is same shit). TVP aim at older viewers since our county getting old so we have more older people. They use church and religion as their ally because they know how religious older people are. They can do whatever they want. And the worst thing is fact that we have no other choice that would be good for our country. Since always IT was fight beetwen PiS (our government right now) and PO (their enemies). Its even hard to choose worse evil. But we need to somehow get rid of PiS at least for some years. One group cannot Control entire country for that long because they will turn democracy into totalitarianism....... And IT is happening right now. People needs to open their eyes.

@FreQ_97

Жыл бұрын

Last year they were rly close to choose Daria over Krystian Ochman. Jury once again voted for tv favorite artist.

Jann is going to benefit from this in the long run - a) Jann's going to be a "what if" artist without having to actually risk potentially underperforming at the Eurovision, b) Jann's got a massive local exposure, c) Jann now earned a dedicated fanbase and a robbed status.

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

yea those are silver linings, but actually getting the place he may have rightly earned in Eurovison and possibly coming top 10 is way more exposure

@TheManInBlueFlames

Жыл бұрын

Blanka's going to get a lot of unnecessary hate whilst the BROADCASTER gets none and just uses her as a human shield or scapegoat! This will mark the end of her career and the start of Jann's.

@anita_agr

Жыл бұрын

Yeah,actually you are probably right,he might benefit from this situation in the end,those boomers probably wouldn't let him have much artistic freedom as far as the performance is concerned even if they let him represent Poland in ESC.Maybe it's better this way.

@mikolaj2698

Жыл бұрын

@@TheManInBlueFlames well in Poland national television is soo hated that it's hard for them to go worse xd

@chibaz8882

Жыл бұрын

well said!

Thank you Tom. Poles are really pissed off. The 5-person psedo-jury chose for us. They must be really deaf if they send to ESC someone who totally can't sing. This is not the choice of Poles, this is choice of Tvp. We want Jann 🇵🇱🖤⛓️

@David28082010

Жыл бұрын

I want Jann too and I am not even from Poland. I am so sad about this.

The fact that jury chose one of the worst vocalist of the wole competition is so shocking and irresponsible. Polish viewers are so dissapionted and ashamed that Blanka who cannot sing live will represent our country. I wish EBU could interact somehow but I know they cannot do anything when it comes to National preselection so we stayed alone with this problem. Thank you for doing analysis though!

@jimmey123XD

Жыл бұрын

I mean she was second in the televote, wasn't she?

@zsokapados5197

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmey123XD Yes, but she got 6000 votes and Jann got 18 000. It's such a big difference. In points, it seems like a close race.

@Mucrush

Жыл бұрын

Thats the weird thing that doesn't make any sense. The jury of any selection process USUALLY selects their song because of their vocals. Thats why they often like ballads since those artists usually bring amazing vocals. So the fact that they put Blanka 1st... or even Felivers 3rd... thats whats so unusual...

@bubolek16

Жыл бұрын

@@zsokapados5197 What's the source of this information

@noroaa

Жыл бұрын

@@bubolek16 journalists

I personally think that Edyta still wants to be a Polish Eurovision Legend by having achieved the best place for Poland so far. She doesn't want anybody to even come close to that.

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

Marie Myriam did the same thing to Barbara Bravi in 2021 NF

@ducha90

Жыл бұрын

​@@ESCTom If such things happen in different countries, why does ESC allow its former contestants to be juries in national preselections?

@abyssale3943

Жыл бұрын

Edyta simply became a weirdo since a couple of years. She said publicly that Jann has a demonic and vulgar vibe and after the contest she said that the critic she receive is the antichrist doing. She was always the drama queen :) We know that Egurrola had his personal interest in Blanka's winning, but I'm wondering how the rest of jury voted. Hope we will finally get that info, but you know how it is :D aaaa it makes me crazy what is going on with our country

@tempusbomb4196

Жыл бұрын

Marija won the competition and she is looking for the next winner for Serbia, Edyta can screw herself if she wants to he is a lot better, this is not good, fans will be boooooing Blanka at the Eurovision.

@trildi

Жыл бұрын

@@ducha90 ESC has no power over that. Then from the national selection point of view it's ''they've been there, they know what Eurovision audiences want'' type of thinking.

I'm glad this case caught your attention. I think the most interesting point you made is the points system - Jann supposedly got 3 times more votes than Blanca, but it didn't change a thing. One of the reason Poles are frustrated is that a lot of people basically wasted money on voting for him. Good example of how it should be done is Finland's national final this year. Käärijä won the international jury vote, but even if he got 0 points from them, he would have won by a landslide, because he just annihilated the televote. It's just a shame that polish jury decided to send something more generic and radio friendly rather than giving a chance to a great young artist.

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

yea and it adds extra insult to polish people when they have already decided who will win, and they then steal the publics money as well! Adding insult to injury!

@ZakhadWOW

Жыл бұрын

Jacob.. I have to wonder.. does his androgynous appearance and clear queerness work against him, giving the prevailing and increasing attitudes against Queer spectrum people in Poland? I mean it seems you are about one step behind Orban as this point, at least in this regard. It heartens we westerners to see the Poles get how critical the Ukraine situation is, while Orban isnt motivated by religious tenets the way the Poles are. He is a modern day Hitler in the making - he just doesnt have the national strength to pull the sort of thing Putin is. I personally didnt care for Jann's performance, though the song is quite interesting. I felt there were better performances than his.. and I wonder how rarely jurors remember it needs to be a slightly bigger picture thatn JUST THAT ONE time singing a 3 minute number.

@fluffypuffyboy586

Жыл бұрын

In germany the jury are fucking other countries 💀. Thats even more trash than a german jury. And of course the International jury voted someone completely different who would have landed in the last place as always but our puplic voting atleast saved us.

Jesus I've never been this sad and pissed off. Gladiator would have had such a glowup in Liverpool, that could have been Polands best placement this century!! The song grew on me, the lyrics are amazing, he's got so much charisma I JUST CANT BELIEVE IT ALL HAPPENED LIKE POLAND W H Y

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

my favourite lyrics in the whole season

You tell the truth! Fairness and transparency of results should be fought for. Jann is our true winner

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

hes my winner too ❤️

@sebastianseijeen7817

Жыл бұрын

@@ESCTom It doesn't matter who we send to Eurovision. We'll never win it... We'd probably have to vote in the elections as Brussels tells us... And we'll never agree to that... It doesn't matter who goes...😩😜

@ZakhadWOW

Жыл бұрын

I would go for Alizcja as my winner - best vocals for sure, no weird randomness I saw with Jann, and certainly no Ariana Grande out-of-tune wannabe, or horrific bored portly chick singing about booty in the most uncomfortable manner possible.

i as a Pole will never recover from desperately needing Jann representing Poland on Eurovision especially when he said they would come up with bettter staging in Liverpool if he won cause for now he just wanted to let it focus only on him and his voice. I will never recover from overthinking what would Gladiator sound like on Eurovision arena, i'm devastated.

@wild3estdreams10

Жыл бұрын

also Alicja might have been so low in jury voting because she has a feud with TVP when they didn't ask her to perform in 2021 Eurovision and they just chose Rafał

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

I think this is why it's interesting to get the perspective of foreigners, because I came into this national final not knowing any of the behind-the-scenes drama or anything about any of the artists relationships. which is kind of how an international jury would feel too. after the performances, I just assumed that Alicja would win the jury because in terms of a jury song it was definitely top three. When I saw the Blanca won the jury, I actually could not believe it and I literally started laughing. i did not even pay attention to her performance when it was on because it just seemed so average and the vocals were bad

@wild3estdreams10

Жыл бұрын

@@ESCTom yeah i agree, the drama is hot now haha Blanka's song has been promoted in TVP since December and her few performances in TVP like for example "Sylwester Marzeń w Zakopanem" which is TVP New Year's Eve show, then on You Can Dance and also they were just out of no where promoting her song in TVP in general. There was nothing of this energy towards other contestants :/ I really throught that the victory will be between Jann and Alicja though. Because I throught Poles would be fed up with Solo promo. And they were, i only have seen like 5 good reactions on this song and the rest is just people being mad. I just hope Jann will consider next year as well or idk maybe he will participate from other country because he really deserves to be appreciated by Europe and the world. The charisma on stage is incredible

@ShalottofCsilla

Жыл бұрын

​@@wild3estdreams10Now I want to see Jann represent San Marino in 2024 :DD

@rina-grau

Жыл бұрын

@@ShalottofCsilla well looking at what San Marino has chosen I feel like it would be the same situation all over again

Blanka was chosen by the government. Jann was chosen by Poles. We are furious, just look at the comments under the main Eurovision post. #justiceforjann

That is corruption at its finest. However, the most ironic of all this situation is that Jann sang about corruption, lies, fake people, and abuse of power in his Eurovision song Gladiator, 😂😂At least he got exposure, and now he has a solid fan base, which is fantastic!

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

i know, irony is terrible 😭

I watched the Polish national final. I was very confused. The "voting" was over before it began. 😳

@kuro_patwa0

Жыл бұрын

yeah, we had like 10 minutes to vote. and the most hilarious part was that even we, Poles were so confused because the hosts announced it so random, like, they literally said "okay, we'll give y'all a moment...*a second later* stop voting!!" they don't even started counting or anything

the way polish people got so mad that we made a whole petition to bring Jann back

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

I totally support what they’re doing

@hankamostowiak4745

Жыл бұрын

@@ESCTom me too! blanka wasn’t our choice, she is friends with son of edyta gorniak who was one of the juries. Also her dancers were Augustin Egurola’s dancers, and augustin also was one of the juries. when edyta was anouncing the points, and it came to tell who took the 4th place she started to be nervous(?)and after she said that the 4th place belongs to Jann everyone started yelling and booing, the rules were unfair bc even tho Jann got 16000 votes from public and blanka got 6000 Jann still got 12 points and even if he got 100000 votes he would only get 12 points

Thanks so much for this video! It means the world to us, the Polish audience.

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

🇵🇱 😢 🫂

Im half portuguese, half dutch, so i have nothing to do with Poland but this broke my heart. It was so unfair and so deliberate. Thank you for talking about this 🙏💜

Yeah, I completely agree with you and I'm just so disappointed. Gladiator was one of my favorite songs of this NF season and Jann deserved more than what he got. Was he perfect? No, but nobody was perfect, and he performed the hell out of this song and it had so much potential it they'd given him the chance to polish the performance. Unfortunately, Poland would never select a performance like this and an artist like him and they did everything to stop him from winning. I just feel so bad for all the Polish fans who have to put up with this and wasted their money for a rigged selection.

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

well honestly nobody was perfect except alicja, and she was 6th with the jury! crazy! Janns vocals werent perfect but they were still WAY better than Blanka and her song was so easy to sing!

@catkittycatcatkittycatcat3227

Жыл бұрын

We would choose a performance like this only with a free from the shade broadcaster. Like you heard in the video: Jann won the televoting with a huge margin and if the previous voting system would have stayed he would win cause of the big gap above the 2nd place in televoting. That shows you that actually it's the people in power, that are above us in our country create all the stereotypes about modern day Poland. Jann's performance was totally not something Europe would expect from us so I think that's what I'm sad about the most, that many people still gonna have a limited view for us and now maybe even worse view cause of what TVP did. Like I feel so ashamed for my country, I mean our broadcaster and the government that actually controls it. I hope Jann is gonna ever return to the national selection to save our country and let the World break free from the stereotypes about us...

Have you seen the video someone in the crowd took of Jann’s performance ? The quality of the vocal sounds much better than what was broadcasted. Some are speculating that even the sound was manipulated 😬. Anyway the whole thing just stinks regardless. Great video as always!

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

thanks Stevie, yea i saw that. it was a little hard to hear tho cos of the cheering

@stevieboy666

Жыл бұрын

@@ESCTom Yeah it is difficult. Thinking about it’s kinda pointless though because as you said Jesus Christ could have emerged from under the stage and performed and it still wouldn’t have won 😅

As the furore around this starts to settle down, the thing that really makes me angry about this is the fact that the televote results were never actually announced at the time. TVP, almost purposely, denied Jann his one moment of glory and celebration on the night. That is shocking and, in so many ways, hateful and disrespectful. It's now pretty much apparent that the sole remit of this show was to launch Blanka's career, to create a "face of modern Poland", much in the way Rafal is portrayed and promoted by TVP/Government. Why else would she, alone, have been able to preview/perform her song earlier on a number of TV shows? Why would her staging at the contest be little other than her own name in big CAPITAL letters? However, in the final moments of the result announcement, it was obvious that the entire crowd were shouting, really loudly, "Jann, Jann, Jann" - but he already KNEW the result, as did she. Both of them knew this was a sham and it takes me back to the orchestrated homophobia of the UK and other western counties back in the 70s, maybe 80s. Yes, you are there - but actually you're not how we want to be represented - thank you, goodbye. However, this might just be a defining moment.. Ironically, Blanka's career launch will now forever have a cloud hanging over it. Conversely views for Jann's official video are starting to go viral. Here's hoping Jann will maybe compete for another country next year Poland's reputation is shattered, In the space of 24 hours they have dropped in the bookies odds from 6th to 17th

As a Canadian who's into Eurovision, this situation has been FASCINATING. It's insane how complex the Eurovision machine is and how rampant things like this appear to be. On a far less formal note, I don't think Blanka was the worst singer at Poland's NF. Ahlena was definitely worse sounding with "Booty." Though that's like saying that Blanka's a better singer than the sound of me dry heaving, so that's a very low bar.

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

Lol exactly. Like Ahlena is currently last in the national final rankings right now across the entire continent 😂 Yea unfortunately these type of rigging situations still happen, more often in the Eastern European countries

@GeneralNuisance00

Жыл бұрын

​@@ESCTom I believe it. A lot of musical competitions on this side of the pond are pretty infamous for being rigged, though those are usually reality shows rather than well... a Eurovision style contest with a focus on the art.

@duqial

Жыл бұрын

Just a little additional information the tv that organised the competition (tvp) is highly connected with polish current governing right wing party and is even jokingly called tvpis for their biased coverage of certain news, which of course happens in other countries, but there also have been this drama about them giving the national tv=tvp a huge amount of money(3 mld zł), that could go to much more important causes (there's and endless list really)

Im glad this doesnt get overlooked. It's just so unfair for jann and the other acts. There needs to be a change in the polish selection system, this seems to be the common theme over there and thats unacceptable

Thinking of some other lines by Jann: "Tell me God Almighty, If you don't like my presence, Why would you invite me."

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, love it. These are my favourite lyrics of the entire year

@GeneralNuisance00

Жыл бұрын

Apollo really hit the man with the gift of prophecy

We don't want Blanka on ESC. We want Jann. 🥺 help us with the disaster that happened.. I agree with you, Tom. Poland has to has International jury, because national jury always push someone against the choice of nation.

@cultfiction3865

Жыл бұрын

How can we help you? If I could help I would. I’m also upset about what TVP and the juries have done here it’s scandalous

@Knurek007

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I would love to help you guys!! How to do that? Is there a petition or a letter to the international jury?

Greece is in danger of disqualifying because of a similar situation. There was a voting between 3 songs, one of them got taken out by the artists themselves because it got leaked and the audience HATED IT with so much passion (actually all 3 were leaked) So the final two artists were Victor Vernicos and Melissa Mantzoukis. Melissa's song was the most popular by a mile. So, logically she would be our candidate. But the jury apparently voted her LAST. And even more bizarre they voted the song that was taken out, SECOND. And first ofcourse Victor (who is apparently the son and nephew of industry people). Also the voting system was supposed to be 8, 10, 12. But they went with 4 points being the lowest to 12 being the highest for none logical reasons. So THANKFULLY Melissa's team asked about full voting details but they refused. So she sued and the court is this week. If they manage to find a solution she should be our candidate OR we'll get disqualified because we'll have no representative before the deadline.

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

omg thank you for explaining. i saw it was happening online but i couldnt find the details about what was actually happening. its interesting that theres so much talk about "Nepo babies" recently, and here we have that type of situation happening. Hard to hear Melissa's clip but sounds like a bop

@constantine6939

Жыл бұрын

@@ESCTom its hard to decide what's our best choice based on leaks (and very hard to hear at that) but both Victor's song and Melissa's sound decent. But unfairness is unfairness and the voting should have been fair. Most of us support Melissa's decision to sue even if that disqualifies us. And how unfortunate that a Greek immigrant from Germany had to be treated like this by a corrupt Greek system. Greek immigrants have brought us our BEST results lately (Stefania and Amanda). So it's so stupid they would treat Melissa like this.

@harrietamidala1691

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been following news about that on the eurovoix website and the last article posted be a court hearing next week. What’s the current status now about the lawsuit?

@constantine6939

Жыл бұрын

@@harrietamidala1691 well, the Greek journalists don't have much information about that. But we should know everything by the end of this week. Unfortunately this is such a bad image for Greece that even the betting odds are dropping Greece lower and lower. They really think ERT isn't gonna have a solution which would disqualify us. And tbh it's exactly what they deserve.

@sav0001

Жыл бұрын

@@constantine6939 Seems like the lawsuit went nowhere, just been announced an hr ago that the song is coming out March 6th

Great support for Poland. I saw that WiWi blogs joined the petition. I also see that the Eurosong channel hasn't posted it yet, does that mean they are considering the case? That's good news.

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

im not sure, it could be because polands delegation dont want the national final performance with the bad vocals

i also want to say something about edyta's big ego. i saw screen shots on twitter when she replied on one comment "not my fault, that no one was on level" like??? she also called someone a "dumba$$" because they used the God name. and that's a professional jury? but it's not everything. she said in interview that jann is demonic and we need something brighter 😶 as a polish eurovision fan since 2015, i was never so disappointed like i am right now.

@kuro_patwa0

Жыл бұрын

she's seriously scared that someone can beat her in the future and she won't be anymore a "polish queen"

@budus2

Жыл бұрын

She's seriously mental.

The televote numbers for Jann and Blanka were debunked (someone messaged the journalist from whom they allegedly were taken and they said it's fake), but besides that this is an excellent video on the situation. More on the voting system changes: last year Ochman won the televote by a huge margin which led to his win because the ratio system was in place. If it wasn't there, Daria, who also had connections to TVP, would've won, since she was the jury winner. It just feels deeply frustrating and discouraging when your broadcaster specifically changes the rules on the spot so they can make sure it's their pick who wins at the end.

@radharose99

Жыл бұрын

This!

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

ah ok, so we have some real official numbers then? so then did TVP not want Ochman last year?

@taia561

Жыл бұрын

​@@ESCTom We don't have the numbers yet and they aren't releasing them themselves, but a few big polish fan communities directed an official petition so something might come out of this, even though I honestly highly doubt they'll bother. About Daria, the situation is eerily similar to Blanka: a radio girlybop hit with several million views, being promoted on TVP shows, jury winner. All this while Ochman was a pretty unanimous favourite among poles. I guess TVP learned from their "mistakes" and just made it impossible for non-approved artists to win, what a shame.

You know it's getting series when ESC Tom *AND* Luke delve deep into it! It seems to be blowing up on social media with a petition even been created so I reckon the EBU might get involved - there will always be jury criticism in national finals but damn, this one is interesting. Blanka appeared to have SEVERAL connections to the jury AND an article came in before the NF ended! Lots of people getting emails from people spreading their side of the story! I don't think that guy is just Blanka's friend! Do you think they could have been in a relationship? We also didn't see the televote in the show and the jury got given the first priority for tiebreakers, so CLEARLY they will given precedent!

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

yea it was clearly organised for her. Also her performance was NOT a jury winner, on any planet in any solar system

@Natalia-nw6mf

Жыл бұрын

No, they are not in a relationship 🙄 they don’t even know each other. He was only sitting there because there weren’t enough seats. Im Polish and Im upset too and it was definitely rigged, but people should stop creating ridiculous conspiracy theories ✌🏻

@TheManInBlueFlames

Жыл бұрын

Makes me wonder if Monika shouldn't have won in Lithuania, should Ruta Mur be reinstated? She came close with the televote though i've come to love Monika's song and it's now in my top 5 as it hit me the feels!

@Henio09

Жыл бұрын

@@Natalia-nw6mf Maybe they are not in a relationship, but he is the SON of Edyta Gorniak and she is in the jury. If they dont want people to create conspiracy theories than dont let the son of the main jury sit next to one of the participants

@cultfiction3865

Жыл бұрын

@@Natalia-nw6mf I think Blanka ought to admit this was rigged and offer the opportunity to represent Poland back to its rightful owner Jann

Also they didn't even announce the televote scores during the show, they released them on their social media after getting a lot of criticism day after the show, how convenient, many people didn't even realise that Blanka hasn't won the televote because of that, the hosts also seemed so lost while giving these final, accumulated scores

@eatingpopcorn6272

Жыл бұрын

Yes and I thought the taking very long to count the televotes, then stuttering when announcing votes was suspicious.

Lets not forget that we almost had something similar happen last year, the jury not putting Ochman first was pretty telling, but thankfully it wasnt enough in the end.

@berlineczka

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. But this year they got rid of the super final with a second tele vote for the top three performance, to ensure they will not give up this control any more.

Poland Jury robbed Jann

Everything is correct.. i'm from Polen, but i live in Nederlands.. and i'm sooooo angry for this what was happend in this competision!!!!

Thank you Tom, in this sad moment of feeling so powerless over the whole scam, your words help, they do. I wish we could just remove our flag from Blanka's 'performance' this year. I know that Poland as a country chose Jann in their hearts. Just within one day about 18.000 people signed a petition to fight for Jann's chance to represent us still. This shows a lot, how many fans Jann has, still after the whole fraud. Thank you for your honest opinions, great analysis. I wish my country for once could let us decide... 'national' television, but nothing national in it...

Wow, what a fantastic analysis. You're Eurovision pro. I hope Lithuania will change thier voting system and televoters will have more power.

Thank you for telling it all so loudly. ♥You have my subscription! We are pissed off the more because in Poland we pay money for the SMS vote. We pay gouvernmatns public TV by choosing our representative. Meanwhile, Edyta Górniak from the jury said in an interview that we did not try hard and voted too little. 😡 But then it came to light Jann has 18 000 votes SMS, Blanca - 6000. That is worst. ☹

Been looking forward to your opinion on this. I’m raging!

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

yea im so annoyed about it. so insulting to think its not so blatantly obvious

Can you even imagine that one of the juries (I don't even want to mention her name,can't stand that person) made some passive aggressive comments (this is her usual style btw) to the journalists after that debacle of NF, something along the lines: "people apparently don't want any demonic stuff" (apparently innuendo to Jann's performance) "people maybe don't want any sad songs about war" (that was probably about Alicja's song).But people literally voted for that "demonic" performance,and it won with a huge margin! She doesn't even seem to know what the voting procedure looks like in her own NF because she also said that juries votes and televote were the same,which is clearly not true! Anomination.

@anita_agr

Жыл бұрын

*Abomination.Sorry,I got angry again! This is such a slap in the face to the public and to the artists.It's not even about Jann only,it's lack of respect,lack of transparency, lack of principles.It's just sad.

@ESCTom

Жыл бұрын

do you mean EG? she is horrible. i also heard that she lied about having a throat problem when she competed in 1994 so that she would be allowed to sing in English during the jury show. And as so few countries sang in English It gave her a huge advantage and she came second. Apparently she admitted that on an interview

@anita_agr

Жыл бұрын

@@ESCTom yes,yes,of course I am talking about her.Yes,I remember that story,but she also mentioned at some point that some members of jury actually punished her for singing in English,otherwise she would have won.And I can't forget her sore loser behavior after she lost the NF in 2016. She came third after Michal Szpak and Margaret,and she made some passive aggressive comments about MS, something along the lines :"I could underdstand losing to Margaret but that Michal's song,Michal what?what's his name?".And he had already been quite a well known singer in Poland for some time. I didn't even like Michal's song that much (I liked his performance in the ESC though and could vote for him from Germany),but her comments were so disrespectful and unfair.

Another fabulous video and analysis. Absolute travesty that this happened. I can only imagine how Eurovision fans in Poland are feeling at this

@ESCTom

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thanks Louise yea a lot of them are very upset. it seems some of the fan groups and sites have banded together to complain

I always thought that Poland placing is messed up by the juries but now they're taking it on another level

Thank you for this video! After our national final I listened to a podcast episode recorded by Radek Kobialko in 2021, after the now infamous Rafal's semi final performance. He organized the Polish preselections in 2016 and also worked on them in 2008. It was actually shocking to hear basically the same allegations as to what happened in Tu Bije Serce Europy this year. In 2008 apparently one of the judges in the jury straight up admitted that the points announced live on the show were made up and completely different from the ones that were agreed on by the jury. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case this year too. In 2016 the song was decided 100% by televote (thanks to Kobialko). During the selection of the 10 competing acts, apparently someone in TVP told Kobialko that they are not allowed to pick Michal Szpak or the preselections will not go ahead. Then during rehearsals the same person again said "remember, Michal Szpak is not allowed to win". In the end, Michal Szpak won and allegedly TVP was really mad because the broadcaster already had some kind of business obligations with a different artist. Someone in TVP said that "the public should not be allowed to choose the winner". Wouldn't be surprised if Daria was meant to win last year which is why they changed the rules again 4 days before the NF 🤷

Head of the jury said that people now need a happy song, not a dark and dirty one, not something that is questionable to Jesus. REALLY. She LITERALLY said she voted this way, because this is what Jesus said to her.

@ESCTom

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do you have the source for that quote please? i think she said it in an interview or something? i can link it in the pinned comment then

Maybe the EBU should provide a few guidelines of how songs can be chosen fairly. That is not to say that a standard format should be used across the board, but that certain expectations have to be met in a country's choice of selection. So, that may include: 1 Stating that any televote outranks any jury vote. 2 Ratio points should be used rather than the 12-1 scoring. 3 Full disclosure on individual juror's scoring and full publication of televotes cast. 4 Jury panelists should not be permitted to express views that could influence the voting (to other panelists or the general public). The UK used to do this a lot in the not so distant past and viewing could be cringeworthy with the artists having to take-it without much recourse. Etc.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO! AS POLES WE ARE ANGRY AND TIRED BY WHAT HAPPENED #justiceforjann

An important update for the situation : Eurowizjaorg (OGAE Poland) are investigating into the matter to get the transparency from the Polish TV. Let's hope we will get answers. 👀

@mienislav

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One more update: 5 Eurovision organizations (IGAE + Dziennik Eurowizyjny, Let's Talk About Europe, Misja Eurowizja and Dobry Wieczór Europo) are now fighting. Good to see the involvement of Polish fanclub.

just thank you for that

This is probably the best, most analytical and complete comment anybody has made so far about the Polish national selection this year. Thank you.

Czytam pozytywne opinie i podziękowania dla ESC Tom, za umiejętną analizę przedstawianych spraw. Żałuję, że film nie ma dostępności napisów i możliwości tłumaczenia na język polski. Wiem, że Google w przekładzie czasami podpowiada bzdury, ale w ogólnym kontekście główny sens zawsze można zrozumieć. Młodsi już tak, ale starsi nie wszyscy posługują się językiem angielskim. Myślę, że byłoby warto posłuchać mądrych wypowiedzi, nawet w trochę gorszym tłumaczeniu.

@ESCTom

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Jeśli jest jakaś część, której nie rozumiesz, możesz podać mi znacznik czasu (np. 5:50), a ja napiszę to dla ciebie po angielsku

@danag1113

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@@ESCTom Jest ok.. Dziękuję za szybką reakcję 😀, za film i konstruktywne wypowiedzi. Na takie strony warto zaglądać.

A very interesting analysis. I hope TVP watched their freefall in the odds in real time when the winner was announced because they had a potential contender for top 5 in their selection and then threw it away for a song that might not even qualify out of the semis with an artist who needs a LOT of vocal improvements in 2 months. I guess they forgot they can't buy jury votes in the semis this year.

I never quite understood what I’ve been reading from Pols who said it was rigged. Thanks for explaining it. I totally get it all now!

The way I participate in Eurovision as a viewer is that I have at least one song that I feel a strong connection to and that becomes my personal winner to root for. I had that with Ollie and he lost which sucked but I was able to move on since I connected with Vesna's song as well, but their nf performance disappointed me and while I still love the song, I just can't root for it. Then Jann song came out, It became my personal favorite in the entire season. This nf really destroyed me and with not many more songs to be released, the likelihood of finding another song to root for is small and my excitement to watch Eurovision is nonexistent.

To be precise, if you take only televoting for Poland, PL was actually TOP 5 twice after 1994: Cleo&Donatan (2014) - 5th place and Michał Szpak (2016) - 3rd place (I was shcoked watching results that day. There is no mistery that Poland always is undervoted by juries, even when we had top quality good songs. I dont know why. But regarding overall yes you're right, but I wanted to add that additional info

Yes, oligarchy and forcing the broadcaster’s will (which is controlled by the government) is becoming a norm in Poland. I hope the world sees tour video.

Tom, we love you for your words🧡

@ESCTom

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thank you 🙏🏻🥰

The thing that hurts the most is that... the EBU don't even have any control regarding this. Poland could rig the system in bright daylight and it still wouldn't change anything, since its all up to each broadcaster to decide how they select their entry... and apparently TVP is the type that won't budge to complaints...

I THINK GLADIATOR SHOULD BE IN LIVERPOOL WITHOUT SONG CONTEST NOW... (Appear as a quest) 😊 THE SONG HAS ALL (MIX STYLE, MELODY, SENTENSE, ROCK, OPERA, RAP AND MORE... SOLO FOR KIDS JUST IT. what defferent level betveen solo and gladiator....

Nice analysis, totally agree. Sad thing is that semi 2 is soooo weak Poland are still likely to qualify. I’ve been meaning to delve into the stats of national final voting systems to see over all which one I think is fairest; UMK, Melfest and MGP all feel like they have got it about right despite their different ways and ratios. Any system which gives too much power to too few individuals always leaves itself open to rigging or bias towards uncommon opinions which would be in the minority in a larger jury pool.

@ZakhadWOW

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coincidence that NRK. SVT, and YLE also have the (apparent) 3 big hitters so far this year?

We can now focus on streaming Jann's songs and doing reactions for other singles. He's really talented composer, song writer and singer. Like one in a million he has all the package ⛓️🖤⛓️

@ESCTom

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Also he's more than welcome to enter the Irish national final 😂🙌🏻

@ESCTom

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he studied in newry

That was a proper research and analysis of this issue. In depth. Thanks Tom for speakng the truth 👍👍👍

In Ukraine after similar scandals, this year even jury members were chosen by tele voting😀 prior to national selection

@ESCTom

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Yeah I saw that this year, and I thought that was interesting and good that they're trying to make some changes. but I still think that they need to get rid of the ranking system in vidbir though, because there's been so many controversies in the last 3-4 years. We hardly have a single year without a controversy

@yulia-si

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@@ESCTom I completely agree about the ranking system. Still this last vidbir was the smoothest among all those I remember, no one little scandal😅 even a bit boring (joking, of course😉), apart from the unexpected results, for me. I voted for another song, but.. well, it was people’s choice in the end, and I accept it.

Amazing analysis! Thank you for putting so much effort. I'm polish and I agree with every single word in this video. The whole voting system makes it basically impossible for someone outside of TVP to get through even if they were Jesus like you said :D This is super frustrating because Jann had a great song, original and well produced plus his stage presence is amazing. And the fact that Poland was pretty high in all Eurovision polls (as long as everyone assumed it was Jann who was going to represent Poland) and then went down in all the rankings significantly (after picking Blanka) speaks volumes to me...

@ESCTom

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it sucks, cos basically TVP can just decide their winner 1 week before and then choose from the 3/4/5 different scoring options to pick the one that suits their candidate. Worst case scenario, you can almost guaranteed on the jury system to get the result you want if you control the jury.

@jacusounds

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@@ESCTom absolutely! They always have the power to shape the outcome however they want which is super frustrating because there is nothing you can do about it… Unfortunately this whole thing is a sad reflection of what is happening in Poland in general, also with politics, voting, nepotism etc.

The thing as well Tom is that the EBU can stay well back from such (alleged) occurrences because it is at the behest of each national broadcaster as to how they select their act.

@ESCTom

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yea thats a shame. although they havent put her on the Eurovision KZread yet - but that be cos her vocals were so bad

The way TVP organized their preselection is something most countries from the former eastern block inherited from their communist era: the hell with ethics and professionalism, it's all about what a handful of people want to happen and WILL happen. It's something that often happens with TVR in Romania as well, which is why Romanians' interest for Eurovision have increasly decreased since 2018 onwards. In fact, this year was arguably the fairest Selecție națională we've had in a while (although the quality of the songs was.. well, not the greatest).

Thank U for that. All Europe must knows a truth!

Thank you so much for this video. As a Pole and huge Eurovision fan, I was so gutted about this, I lost all the fun in following the national finals and everything. This video sums everything up so well. I guess I will just have to love Eurovision without caring about my own country. I loved Jann, Poles loved him, but this was all rigged and now we're gonna have some shitty singer who won't do well. Honestly this made me so mad that I'll be wishing Poland doesn't make it to the final. I will now try to regain enjoyment out of following other countries, I loved UMK, why can't we be like that :(

@ESCTom

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Well one thing I would say as some encouragement, is that Spain had this exact same situation in 2017. And now five years later they are completely different and doing amazing, so things can change but they need the pressure from the local fans. Those changes were made partly because the Spanish fans made such a uproar

@TheMrPushy

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@@ESCTom that's encouraging indeed, but I have doubts that Polish fans could achieve the same :/

@florenna

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@TheMisterPushy I have a few more words of encouragement, from Finland. As much as it makes me happy that UMK is now cited as a prime example of how an NF should be like, this wasn't always the case. We've also had jury screwing public in the past, several times!! The prime example being when *Nightwish* (yes, Nightwish, the now world-famous band) was screwed by jury in 2000, they won televotes (new thing then) but jury placed them 3rd... So at the end, an insipid mediocre song "won" the combined vote, a travesty of what might have been! :( I voted for Nightwish and was so mad myself that I didn't watch Eurovision for 4 years after that ;) (Which I now hope Poles won't do, please be wiser than I was ;)) Another, more recent example is 2016, when also jury favourite won, despite a few better & more popular candidates. YLE learned from those mistakes, happily, so if we can do it then so can you! :)

@catkittycatcatkittycatcat3227

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@@TheMrPushy girl they are already achieving that. Over 50k people have signed the petition to bring Jann to Eurovision, I don't think anything that huge as this has ever happened in the ESC history that the fans are literally manifesting for fairness. Poles are warriors when they catch someone lying like that 😎

Exact same happened last year in Spain, not one, but 2 of the juries had worked with Chanel. And thus Chanel got all the jury votes but almost no public votes. One song got almost all the public votes and almost no jury votes (this song was also in a minority language in Spain, which is ofcourse politically not liked by the Spanish government/public broadcaster). No hate to Chanel though, but its still weird how the jury and spanish people had so much difference in opinion....

@ESCTom

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one small thing that i would add to that though is that if you looked at the votes by region in the breakdown the broacaster gave, there was a crazy disproportionate amount from Gallicia for Tanxu. they still would have won the televote, but not by the crazy % that officialy happened. there was a lot of regional voting going on there

I can't get over this result I feel like the crazy choices this year have almost built up to this If they wanted her to go they should have internally selected her The fact the jury was made up of 4 people, 2 of them knew Blanka and would know jann was the clear favourite so would mark him down

Thank you for this

Thank you for this video

Very interesting. Thank you for breaking it down!

It kinda reminds me of Melodifestivalen 2005 when Martin Stenmarck won with Last Vegas over Nanne Grönvall with Håll om mig. Televote points was divided in the Ranking system and it turns out that Nanne Grönvall won with about double the amount of televotes but still lost because the jury gave Martin Stenmarck more points, making it impossible to catch up. That's why the next year, Sweden changed the points system all together. First with the international jury and also the ratio televote system.

Absolutely bang on, Tom. All countries should adopt the ratio system for their national final, as it is absolutely not fair if there is a big margin of points that only gets turned into a 2 point lead and can be easily manipulated by juries. It is unbelievable to me that in the event of tiebreak that some countries favour jury decision rather than their own public - that just screams that it was rigged in the first place because what kind of fair system values a small group of music 'professionals' to the entire public of a country. It was also alleged last year that Benidorm jurors rigged their voting in favour of Chanel so that Tanxugueiras who received 71% of the Spanish televote did not win (Chanel had 4%)! All countries should be adopting the voting system of Melodifestivalen/MGP/UMK and if they are going to rig a national selection so hard then why not just internally select and be open about it?

@ESCTom

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i think jury tiebreak was born from not wanting joke entries to win. but there are so few joke entries which are competitive nowadays, because the standard is much higher. we only have Ikke in Germany

There is no official announcement about Blanka winning polish NF (while there is about San Marino, which NF was at the same day) so I hope EBU might took a look in that case

@karstenklement3906

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Why should EBU have a problem with that - they also allow an internal selection without and public vote

@argen1748

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@@karstenklement3906 if it all was fixed, there might be a problem for poland Greece have also situation like that, that one of the participants said that the entire competition was fixed and sued their broadcaster (to be honest, i didn't verified it just saw a twitter post a few days ago)

Great video Tom!! I love your comparison of ratio vs ranking scoring. As a dedicated Aussie ESC fan, I was so frustrated in Australia Decides 2022 when our 5-person jury were given ratio voting and televote were given ranking voting. It made no sense!!

This is SUCH a shame but I saw it a mile away. If you remember my comment from your video about Jann, I totally predicted there would be shenanigans with the voting. It’s a shame that Poland still has such an issue with right wing and conservative policies and fear anything subversive. I’m not sure how well you know this, but Poland is FULL of incredible art in all forms (literature, music, film, paintings, etc) and out of all the Slavic countries it has the most grandiose and spectacular art (in my opinion, as a Serb). You would never know this based on Eurovision or in general, because any person of value gets silenced. They have so many subversive and dark artists that criticize political oppression and celebrates freedom. Great filmmakers like Zhulawski who directed a completely maniacal and dark space opera in the 80s called On the Silver Globe (it was so controversial at the time that the ruling communist party wanted to chase him down and lock him in prison, but he managed to flee the country). Parts of the movie were never able to get made, but what’s left of it is a literal masterpiece. Then there is also Kieslowski who directed the Color trilogy, as well as the brilliant tv show Decalog, which is imo one of the greatest tv shows of all time. In fact, it was so influential and groundbreaking that it resulted in the death penalty being banned in Poland. I don’t think a television show ever had such influence on the hearts and minds of people in any country. Then there are soooo many incredible Polish musicians, so much metal and dark and ethnic music and don’t even get me started on literature which is just FILLED with philosophy and mythology like the Witcher series. And please check out the “nightmare artist” Zdislaw Bekinski - his paintings are absolutely stunning and heavily inspired by the horrors he experienced during WWII and subsequent communism in Poland. I’m sorry for rambling on, but I just love Poland and Polish people so much and there is such a negative stigma around the country due to crazy politicians and idiot right wingers. The country is just so full of rich history, folklore and ambitious artists who have always fought against the status quo in their art.

@ShalottofCsilla

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If you'd like to ramble on some more, I'd love some recommendations of Polish metal/other "dark" music! My knowledge starts and ends with Behemoth unfortunately, and it sounds like I'm missing out.

@ESCTom

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yea i was forewarned by you and a lot of people about this. i was hoping for Käärijä, loreen and jann this weekend and i knew jann was the by far the least likely to happen. like honestly i didnt know that about the art, i feel like poland's identity is totally smothered by onservtism and the church. wow that Zdislaw Bekinski is awesome. funnily enough ive actually seen a lot of art that was clearly inspired by him what do you think is going to happen in serbia btw? i will post my SF2 video hopefully later today so maybe leave your reply there if you watch it? becuase YT doesnt notify me when people reply to replies, it only notifies me with their 1st message

@regulusarcturus

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@@ESCTom Well I’m not sure to be honest. RTS (Serbia’s broadcaster) is relatively autonomous and isn’t a propaganda machine like TVP in Poland and funnily enough they do not even like or support president Vucic, so the winner won’t be influenced by politics for sure. Our jury also always tends to vote for whoever has the most potential at Eurovision regardless of who they are (Marija Serifovic won the jury vote by a landslide back in 2007 despite being openly lesbian and she is general highly respected in Serbia). On the other hand, there has been some backlash by the general public about Luke Black with him receiving tons of negative and homophobic comments by people calling him various slurs and accusing him of being a “witch”, a “satanist” and a “western puppet”. Imagine calling someone a witch in 2023 🥶 It would be pretty hilarious if it wasn’t sad to be honest. There is always heavy backlash whenever someone attempts to sing in English. The puppet comments are also quite asinine since unlike other established artist he has nobody supporting him (no production company or anything), he is basically doing everything himself. We will see what happens. He can be kind of hit or miss, but if he nails the staging I think the jury will really push for him to represent Serbia despite the naysayers (there will still be lots of lgbt people and just normal people in general who will vote for him and who will outweigh the crazy right wingers). If he flops though and someone else wins, then we’re kinda doomed since were in a much tougher semi 😂

Thank You!!! 👍🇵🇱

Same happened to Slovenia in 2006 when Saša Lendero with song Mandoline won public vote with landslide but jury gave her 0. After that Slovenia never had good song at ESC. That year Slovenia didn't have any arena to host Eurovision next year like it happened to Azerbaijan in 2011. So jury gave top points to Anžej Dežan who had no chances to even get to finals. Public was furious on broadcaster. Check the song, please.

well explained! thank you

God, Tom, thank you so much for this video. This is exactly what I've been saying. There is absolutely no 50:50 split here. Also when you do the Ranking points system you NEVER get fair results, the results are ALWAYS skewed towards the preference of the jury. If it aligns with the public - great, if it doesn't - it essentially screws over any chances of the televote winner to go through and it is just unfair. That on its own I suppose can't be called rigging but it's just way too old-fashioned and obsolete of a way to do the voting... I believe no country should be using it (unless they have the superfinal implemented - that brings in fairness). However with this Polish national selection there was clear rigging. Let's say that the alleged televote points distribution is fake and let's say there wasn't really an article before the final - it is STILL rigged. There is really only one component you need to take into consideration to call it rigged - getting rid of the superfinal days before the actual final. The timing definitely aligns with Jann's song blowing up and becoming a fan-favorite. I was following his evolution - from a video with 235K his song reached over 600K in a matter of a week. He got at least 50K views each day. I know TVP saw this and saw the threat he posseses and that's why they decided to change something that was always there. It is clear rigging simply by this fact. Now you might wonder what exactly makes Jann so much worse than for example Ochman or anyone else who benefitted from the superfinal. Well... As awful as it is - it really is because he is effeminate. Whether he is LGBTQ+ or not doesnt matter because in the minds of the conservative polish society and broadcaster he is gay 100%. And they simply wouldn't have that... This is basically the WORST REASON EVER to screw someone over. This is blatant discrimination and homophobia. I urge any and all Poles to not back down and keep pushing against TVP. Yes, it might be futile but I want to know that we have at least tried to fight back. And if there is any way to make Eurovision itself intervene too - then please, we need that. Boycott this awful national final and get the results we deserve. I want to end this on another note though - Tom, what did you actually think of Jann's performance? For me, contrary to most people, I quite enjoyed it EXACTLY because it was manic and unhinged. I felt that it really fit the song well. I don't believe he is a bad vocalist, I think he wasn't even trying to sing it correctly, considering he even changed the tone and pitch at certain moments. Even changed the lyrics to a ...scream (that was truly iconic, I must say). Overall I loved it and how memeable it is, he deserved to win for me.

@ESCTom

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I thought the vocals were fine, there was definitely some breathiness in them and it wasn't perfect. But he had some really nice opera moments and falsettos, I think it was full of highs and lows. In terms of his performance I thought the kind of gymnastics that he was doing was really cool and despite the fact that he was on stage on his own with no dancers and almost no props, he still managed to make it very entertaining for three minutes. I think he's really talented and if he had the chance to work with someone like Sasha JB or one of the established staging people he would be able to do something really amazing. Also he definitely would've been able to do his originally intended oil/tar staging because he knew that the conservative public wouldn't like it

@choisanwreckedmywholeexist7230

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@@ESCTom God, it hurts just thinking about the missed potential here.... It sounds so exciting to know he had much more prepared for the actual stage if he won but alas... This really could've been a MOMENT at Eurovision. I wish TVP would learn but they probably don't care at all about the outrage right now, even though they technically sabotaged Blanka's carrer. Yes, she'll still get exposure, good deals and songs and whatever, but the hate will follow her for quite some time. I kind of feel sorry for her.

@ESCTom

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yea I really think this would've been a moment, especially if he had done that oil thing

@choisanwreckedmywholeexist7230

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@@ESCTom ​ Tom, I am not sure you know about this but apparently the sound mixing on Jann's performance was intentionally made so that he sounds bad. I found a video by Maciej Słonina that is basically a fancam from the arena of Jann's performance and he sounds PRETTY different and A LOT better vocally. I am actually shocked... Did TVP manipulate even this aspect? Please, if you havent, listen to it, I want to know what you think.

@ShalottofCsilla

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The live performance was 100% an upgrade! I watched the Polish NF mostly hoping that if Jann nails those vocals perfectly, maybe he could challenge Loreen (no shade to her but I feel Tattoo is very similar to Euphoria and I feel it winning ESC would be anticlimatic). But after his performance, I was mostly just thinking that if he wins the NF, Gladiator might become huge enough in my country (Finland) that he'd have a reason to come perform here like e.g. Hatari and Go_A have. It was so emotional and raw and unhinged and now I probably have to go to Poland or something if I want to see him live 😭

Great analysis Tom!

Glad you have no problems in telling it how it is 😂

and the fact that the broadcaster change voting system 3 days before the nf...

I think that Jann was the best and probably Poland national final wasn't fair but be careful about information you see on twitter. People are mad that Jann didn't win and his fans tend to overinterpret some facts. News on TVP website is probably draft prepared before competition and it shouldn't be considered as a serious proof. And we also don't know anything about Blanka's relationship with Edyta Górniak's son. He said in interview that he didn't meet her before. People are just suspecting because of this picture. I'm not defending TVP. I think it's something wrong with these selections and we should talk about it but still be fair with what we really know and what we only suspect.

Interesting video. I feel sad for the Polish people. You can vote but then in the end it doesn’t matter apperiantly

The only good thing to come from this is that they made it so big that the talks about these issues reached broader audience. SUCH a massive blunder by even letting Jann perform next to Blanka, cause it makes her look so much worse. This made us see and actually realise how bad she compares.

Thank you for support

Thank you for covering this, Tom.

Thanks for your video.. i feel so bad, so devastated with all this injustice i dont want to watch Eurovision anymore.

THANK YOU.

hard skandal

I watched this not knowing jann lost! Im gutted, truly:( He was my favorite this year and I was soo certain it was a slam dunk. But the thought had crosses me that he might not be picked because of his style and the music video. 😢. I don’t know who my fav is now then.. most of all this is sad for the polish people though. Im just a Eurovision fan that appreciates good music. I know theres bad stuff going on behind the scenes in certain national finals. I know someone who has competed, it seems rigged. Not all countries but some for sure😢. Thank you for your video Tom.

Very well explained! But now imagine that this type of malpractice (nicely speaking) does not just happen only in the area of eurovision, it applies to every aspect of our life in Poland with the current government. I'm just fed up...

We, people in Poland, sent 18 000 votes for Jann. Blanka got only 6 000 , but jury decided to send her on Eurovision. We are mad!!!!

@BlisAngelo

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In Spain last year Tanxugueiras had 71% and Channel only 3% votes and even so Channel won

@berlineczka

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@@BlisAngelo I didn't know about it until now, and it is outraging. However, from what I understand, the jury still voted fairly, just differently from the public. And Chanel actually can sing and dance - both very well. The Polish jury did not give precedence to some other qualities of another contestant - like impeccable vocals of Alicja, for example - but blatantly put a chick without singing or dancing skills above the fan favourite, because she had connections. It's the rigging and corruption part that is making Poles riot right now, more than anything else.

@nicolissska

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@@BlisAngelo i understand, but the problem in Poland is that Polish National television 3 days before preselections changed rules of voting, because Jann was winning in every ranks in Internet. So they knew that he will win by people choice so they provided juries who votes the way that tv wanted

Brilliant summary.

You are from Ireland so at least we can relate. It's painful to be Irish and Polish ESC fan right now.

@ESCTom

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oh yea, i definitely know how it feels. but i think its worse when you have a song that would be top 5 and lose it, so i think its harder to be a polish fan

@cinektokoks

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@@ESCTom yeah and you won 7 times and had glory days. We always sucked.

Thank you!🫶🙏😪

Thank you for your video. You tell the truth.

The one thing i hate about Vidbir (beside's Jamala's uncomfortable questions), is that they don't ratio the votes so it's just like Lithuania. Could be the cause of all the drama each year (among other things). They should change in the future.

@ESCTom

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yea true, and its caused soooooo much controversy over the years. even Stefania wasnt the winning song of vidbir because of the jury

@dana_____

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They changed it last year (this year’s song). In the case of a tie, the winner is the televote’s favourite.

Thank you for making this video. I didn't follow the Polish NF so when I saw the angry reaction from Poles online my initial reaction was to roll my eyes like oh Eurovision fans throwing a tantrum because their favorite didn't win. What else is new? I also remember them having similar conspiratorial rhetoric in 2016 when Michal Szpak got tanked by the juries in Eurovision so I didn't think much of it. But this case seem quite suspicious. Even if you're not up to something shady why would you not want to have an international jury over a national one? It's better in every way. Do they not realise that Polish juries can't vote for Poland in Eurovision? And I can't believe their juries are actually commenting on how they're going to vote. When you have shady stuff like this going on in your NF it makes sense how Poland was one of the countries involved in the other jury scandal we had last year. Instead of talking about a country that's starting to gain momentum in Eurovision with Ochman and Jann we're talking about cheating and jury scandals.

@ESCTom

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If for some reason you have to have an national jury because you can't get an international one, that's fine. But then the very first thing you should do is make sure that they know absolutely NOBODY who is competing that year and have no vested interests

@ESCTom

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I'm not 100% sure what happened with Margaret in 2016, but it was definitely partly down to her lack lustre performance. and at least Michal got 8th

@anka6356

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@@ESCTom Michal was 1st in televote, the jury got it into 8th (??)...I loved that song, it was my absolute number one that year. I'm not Polish.

@adamtideman4953

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@@ESCTom Ah, that makes sense. You know more about national finals logistics than me. I assumed countries opted for national juries for the reasons you mentioned in the video: control. But if you don't have any other choice but to opt for a national jury then that's a shame. About Michal, I was refering to Michal in Eurovision, I don't know what happened in the Polish NF with Margaret that year. Polish fans were quite upset with Michal low jury score and some of them got passionate and accused the juries of all sorts of things, hence why I didn't take them seriously this time.

Shame on them! Who really thought that nobody would be suspicious when seeing the jury gave 12 points to her? What did you see in that performance to think that it was the best? 🤯

@ESCTom

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i literally tweeted "lol" when i saw it cos my reaction was to literally laugh. i didnt realise that they were rigging until that moment

@kirinc-s.7156

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I still don’t really see how it’s for sure rigging, what if the jury just liked the song best? And for the rule change at the last minute, how do we know it was because of Jann and not just them thinking these rules would be better

@rouguy1972

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@@kirinc-s.7156 I am very surprised that a profesional jury would think her vocals are of a winner, everything is average and her vocals were kind of bad. Just my opinion

@aquilka

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​@@kirinc-s.7156 This would be sooo much sadder. And OK, they might have liked the song, but come on, as the best song in the whole competition? Hard to believe. It would mean they shouldn't be on the professional jury in the first place! And new rules? Of course they were better! Why listen to the actual opinion of thousands of people shared through the televoting when you can have 5 people deciding what the audience will like the most? ;) But I don't know, maybe I missed something, maybe Eurovision is not about sending the song that people like 🤷‍♀️

Yeah, not OUR representant. OUR representant (Jann) has been denied by the TVP jury 🤷🏼‍♂️