POINTS UPDATE: Games Workshop Targets Your MSU Tactics and Ignores Deathwatch

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Games Workshop has released the April 2024 Munitorum Field Manual with the points for all factions in Warhammer 40,000. This is like a Balance Patch for 40k but only changes the points. The Sisters of Battle have changed a little with a reduced emphasis on the Adepta Sororitas using MSU or Multiple Small Units tactics and the Genestealer Cult get pushed towards mechanized GSC army lists. The Deathwatch are unchanged, which is a concern when all other Space Marine subfactions had some alteration to their terminators and support units.
I also mention the Custodes codex but not the female custodes.
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00:00 Games Workshop learned how highlighters work
01:24 Adeptus Mechanicus are a horde
02:12 Necrons: how to nerf the right way! (mostly)
04:55 Adepta Sororitas: all the changes to Sisters of Battle points and Tactics
12:49 Genestealer Cults go vroom! Mechanised Genestealer Cult
14:43 Imperial Guard/Astra Militarum/Brood Brothers and the Artillery problem
17:18 Deathwatch - the faction Games Workshop forgot
19:19 Black Templars getting off lightly
19:57 Dark Angels and their Terminator problem
20:40 Custodes and the REDACTED
21:51 Aeldari Shadow Spectres finally UP!
22:07 Chaos Space Marines get love where it is needed
22:35 World Eaters and their crazy Helbrute
23:01 Blood Angels and the Death Company problem
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  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber
    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber2 ай бұрын

    All the videos I mentioned so you can have a further look: 00:40 Tau Codex detachments: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y39omc2gadPeprA.htmlsi=PnyJ-elKWztMmPiR 02:22 Livestream on the 40k Meta: kzread.info13C7iQtZusM?si=1wjvj-xpl7kiPw0e 05:06 Repentia compared to Arco-flagellants: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hnqElLduobmdpNo.htmlsi=t-6KJ9bG0s5J8u57 09:24 Triumph of Saint Katherine: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oKh1xaOuZZrPpMo.htmlsi=6UPJ5Zc1BJGkkDeq 13:54 Genestealer Cult meta: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o2d1m9Kdj63Fps4.htmlsi=hgJV4noB5SndvsLM 14:26 Mechanised GSC: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jHalsrVvgdrXYso.htmlsi=ornDMfXL-bRSFXzQ 16:00 Drukhari new Skysplinter Assault: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l4yO1tGOk7y2j7w.htmlsi=P0aq46Kpdw1TRyqC 16:21 Which Leman Russ is best?: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nqatlZWcddvIobQ.htmlsi=3yZmqFzb4lD7xOMN 17:29 How to play Deathwatch and choose units: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gI5_zqOAqbXbfM4.htmlsi=gkU1uxzKFYTkSa0D 22:03 Shadow Spectres by Proxyhammer: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hIyc1MmEibeZcag.htmlsi=uQhcfju_riqwqwwA

  • @McFatson

    @McFatson

    2 ай бұрын

    Many thank 🙏

  • @McFatson
    @McFatson2 ай бұрын

    Me when point cost buff: Yay, my army is better! Me when point cost nerf: Yay, my army is cheaper! I might actually rum Death Company Intercessors now.

  • @idc681
    @idc6812 ай бұрын

    As a Necrons player, a lot of the nerfs were good for the health of the faction overall, however I'm surprised that stuff like Monoliths got an increase and Warriors didn't get a slight decrease. Sad skeleton brick hours

  • @lionusoctavus6444
    @lionusoctavus64442 ай бұрын

    I felt that 'Get In' for Tactical Marines in the depths of my spine 😂

  • @athonkiller2980
    @athonkiller29802 ай бұрын

    On deathwatch, I myself have just started running a 10 man squad of heavy intercessors instead of my gravis kill team. I do miss having 4 models with heavy bolters but a cheaper unit with some heroes has made the rest of my army more flexible.

  • @aaronguerrette
    @aaronguerrette2 ай бұрын

    Ive stripped my Sisters Army and repainting for the new codex. I love this channel for the help with my Ladies!!

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

    always happy to help the sisters

  • @gamewizardx
    @gamewizardx2 ай бұрын

    Custodes didnt go down. The green adjustments are from the codex points that weren't used. Most units did not go down or at most went down 10 points on a leader that was nerfed into they ground.

  • @boolean6532
    @boolean65322 ай бұрын

    The secret summer codex is going to be an overall inquisition codex. Combined agents, assassins and deathwatch. Thats why they weren't touched. They might also roll Grey Knights into it but less certain on that.

  • @cthuwu1745
    @cthuwu17452 ай бұрын

    Great video! I'm getting into 40K and the Adepta Sororitas is my first army. Appreciate you brother 🙏

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks! I have videos you have probably already seen that help you get started: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hpuoj5KIaJfJipM.htmlsi=Y2Y7S4ulLWwumoIU

  • @cthuwu1745

    @cthuwu1745

    2 ай бұрын

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber not all hero's wear capes.. though I guess you are 😉

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

  • @jeremiegartner464
    @jeremiegartner4642 ай бұрын

    Don't touch the fire...or the red headed step sister of silence.

  • @DominatorLegend
    @DominatorLegend2 ай бұрын

    I'd say something nice about the new Ork points, but I'm still mad about the surprise FW culling.

  • @silentwabbit1065
    @silentwabbit10652 ай бұрын

    I am happy with both Sisters and Genestealers point changes. I was thinking about getting vehicles for Genestealers after buying two combat patrols, so this works great for me and I have finally gotten lots of units for Sisters from shop. :D

  • @StarPK_117
    @StarPK_1172 ай бұрын

    YES! As a votann player I am happy that we got only buffs after the last one in which we got only nerfs :D

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

    its the little things in life...

  • @Marc-ik4gg
    @Marc-ik4gg2 ай бұрын

    I just noticed the triumph of saint catherine is basically just the coffin dance meme but they also do emotional damage Also a lot of the problems with a lot of he armies right now having a very one sided meta could easily be fixed if GW gave half of all factions one more detachment for every second released codex And Genestealers need more units I hope we wont just get another HQ Maybe a big drill on weels as a vehicle like the thermite pattern assault drill but more genestealer - ish Maybe a tall slender mutant created by the biophagus or maybe a couple small improvised bomb drones controlled by a cultist Anything better than the propaganda DJ Please for the love of the four armed emperor

  • @MrShukaku1991

    @MrShukaku1991

    2 ай бұрын

    How about a unit of legally distinct noise marine type guys to party with the propaganda DJ?

  • @games-wz7sz

    @games-wz7sz

    2 ай бұрын

    Hey, I like the dj!

  • @Marc-ik4gg

    @Marc-ik4gg

    2 ай бұрын

    Im not saying i dislike him Im saying we should have gotten more than JUST him last edition

  • @claypigeon7063
    @claypigeon70632 ай бұрын

    Wonderfully informative video as always, Christian! I’m pretty new to þe 41st millennium, so I’ll probably come back to þis video a few times as I familiarise myself wiþ þe terminology, but þis will be fun! I’m usually on þe AoS side of Warhammer, but my broþer forked out þe cash to make a Sigmar army just so he could play wiþ me, so I shall do þe same. I’ve often found myself drawn to þe GSC, so I did my research to ensure I’m not jumping in blind - and here we are! One sleepless night and nearly forty videos later, I’ve got my first batch of Neophytes on þe way and Gaunt’s Ghosts to kitbash into leaders. Þank you for helping me know what I’m getting into. Praise be to þe Star Gods!

  • @MGPW
    @MGPW2 ай бұрын

    It's probably for the best that you don't touch the fire. Sisters know all too well that fire is hot.

  • @marzelp4480
    @marzelp44802 ай бұрын

    Can’t wait for the new genstealer video :)

  • @Bluecho4
    @Bluecho42 ай бұрын

    Tactical Marines getting a points reduction is good. It's still bonkers they were made objectively worse from the Index, by taking away their Fall Back + Shoot and replacing it with an ability that could have just been an option for model number, like it is with every other unit. But making them cheaper IS good. But Jesus Wept, why is AdMech getting points cuts AGAIN? They should not be a horde army! Stop making them a horde army, James Workshop! Make the units better and more costly!

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

    Admech will be better (maybe) but they have to wait another 3 months after waiting since November to be good

  • @spruceforester3038
    @spruceforester30382 ай бұрын

    I think at this point the only affordable way to play Admech is to 3D print or just scratch build a bunch of beadbots and use them as castellan robots

  • @gigiwillliams4781
    @gigiwillliams47812 ай бұрын

    Well with grinders at 130. Imma try 2 in a list with a Alpha jackal biker to see how hard they can hit with a ridgerunner supporting

  • @ilo3456
    @ilo34562 ай бұрын

    I run Dark Angels so I got only good news with my points update, stuff that I thought was just unusable is now more viable, bringing the Lion is now worth it since 300 points is more in line with what I think his abilities do in terms of point cost, and the Inner circle companions being now 90 I might consider bringing some of them since I can now justify their cost, with Deathwing Knights going down to 215 I will now be able to squeeze in probably 1 or 2 smaller units

  • @thetimebinder
    @thetimebinder2 ай бұрын

    Aeldari got some MSU units increased in points, but we got several that got reduced.

  • @artieGSC
    @artieGSC2 ай бұрын

    Abberants should have remained at 165 having them cost more then a LR tank is insane

  • @insert-cony8379

    @insert-cony8379

    2 ай бұрын

    Agreed

  • @JohnBrandenburg82
    @JohnBrandenburg822 ай бұрын

    You get a like for not touching the fire.

  • @OniGanon
    @OniGanon2 ай бұрын

    Good thing I wasn't planning on Flagellant spam or Triumph blob.

  • @rubyseverinwhitworth9066
    @rubyseverinwhitworth90662 ай бұрын

    I only just started my list so only effected my one rock grinder and my 5 aberants but as a rusted claw fan the vehicle drops made me excited. Saying that it did free up enough points for my biophagus to get inscrutable cunning

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

    Enjoy the cheaper vehicles!

  • @MrShukaku1991
    @MrShukaku19912 ай бұрын

    The only reason Ad Mech are a Horde army is they haven't started fielding their new robots(that they need to design) yet. Because otherwise, yeah, they're just a bunch of humans with no power armour or anything, of course they're a horde. They're like if Guard didn't have their tanks and artillery, nothing but swarms of guys.

  • @Rexir2
    @Rexir22 ай бұрын

    DW Vets are pointed to take 4 heavy weapons per 5. Right now, the most sensible loadout would be 2 hammers with 2 frag cannons or infernus heavy bolters; missiles' 48" range discourage getting in close, but they want to get in close to make use of the hammers. I'd be more interested in them if you could combat squad 10 of them to have a squad of 4 hammers and a squad of 4 heavy guns, but that's hoping for the DW codex supplement to not screw the faction over

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

    I hope so too - but I think they will lose the missile launchers as they don't come on the sprue

  • @Rexir2

    @Rexir2

    2 ай бұрын

    I'll still use my 10-man unit over the tacs, as I feel 6 power swords, 6 bolters and 4 heavy weapons represent a well-rounded unit better than 1 sword, 8 bolters and either 2 specials or 1 and a heavy. That, and the gladius captain + lieutenant + rhino combo fares much better with the statistically more powerful unit

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

    with combos and boosts - absolutely but I am happy that my tactical squads became more viable

  • @platypus_slayer1
    @platypus_slayer12 ай бұрын

    Looking forward to genestealer style party bussing with aberrants, as for SoB well I had a valorous heart themed force so not hit too bad. I'm so hoping retributors get a bit more love in the 'dex but hey, our indirect fire didnt get nerfed and pain engines better so no complaints for me :). thanks for vid!

  • @MartynStanleyAuthor
    @MartynStanleyAuthor2 ай бұрын

    Hmmm, thinking I could use a couple more Crusaders thanks to this or taking my Arco's to 10x. Having said that the drop in Penitents and Mortifiers kind of balances things?

  • @GhostofGaunt4949
    @GhostofGaunt49492 ай бұрын

    On one hand, I am annoyed to see my Kasrkin and Bullgryn get a point increase. But seeing all but 2 Leman Russ Tanks drop in points, as a Tank Commander I am over the moon.

  • @idc681

    @idc681

    2 ай бұрын

    Bullgryn increase I understand considering they essentially have 4++ a 6+fnp and -1 dmg, but the increase to Kasrkin just hurts

  • @RockyX123

    @RockyX123

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@idc681​ All the comp list running basilisk, manticores and scions made GW notice them and nerf them. I'm glad we got cheaper scions in exchange tho.

  • @johnnypop-tart335
    @johnnypop-tart3352 ай бұрын

    I'm excited as a blood angel to get a refresh for death company stats. Like death company Intercessors with jump packs. I've got a feeling that when you can only have chainswords, they'll be 90 points, 5 more points than assult Intercessors with jump pack, because the normal assult Intercessors are 5 points less than DC Intercessors

  • @Delphineas
    @Delphineas2 ай бұрын

    Wait, THAT'S what MSU stands for?! I always thought it meant 'Minimum Size units', and thus I hated it. Always preferred running 10 woman squads anyway, although at 500 points that is very difficult.

  • @WATOKALA
    @WATOKALA2 ай бұрын

    I was so confused with CSM demon prince going down in points but not the other factions

  • @danieldowsett6182
    @danieldowsett61822 ай бұрын

    Looking forward to the movie long GSC video lol

  • @sambojinbojin-sam6550
    @sambojinbojin-sam65502 ай бұрын

    Thousand Sons: totally perfectly balanced, needed a few points cuts, and still has 45pt unit spam. By god it feels good to have points go down as 1kSons 😊

  • @ljholder89
    @ljholder892 ай бұрын

    Eldar comments: shadow spectres and fuegan had points increases coming, very surprised by guardian drops, scorpion drops and banshee drops are understandable as they are under utilised and support weapons are pretty strong, also phoenix gem increase is understandable as it goes on Autarch every time as a keep it alive for more CP option.

  • @NGorso1
    @NGorso12 ай бұрын

    What I really want is a way to spend those little point I allways have over, no matter how worthless the thing I get at this point XD

  • @davidhughman7780
    @davidhughman77802 ай бұрын

    I looked at the sisters list I won the local store championship with and net -5pts Sisters needed a buff On a serious note the triumph could have easily gone up more and I would still take it

  • @redspec01
    @redspec012 ай бұрын

    My Count, do you have a discord where people can talk about their armies? I am looking for army list and model building advice on the newer SoB models.

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

    I do, it is linked in the video description come and join us!

  • @ravenRedwake
    @ravenRedwake2 ай бұрын

    Marines feel designed around msu, like it legit feels like GeeDub wants you to field 5 man Primaris squads of guys.

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

    and there are so many 3-man units, Eliminators (did go up) but also the melta marines, the bladeguard...

  • @mrshindig1992
    @mrshindig19922 ай бұрын

    Love the genestealer cult vids

  • @1TonyTopHat
    @1TonyTopHat2 ай бұрын

    They can't show us the change in points like they do for AoS because incremental granularity for things like wargear was too much of a challenge for 40k players.

  • @vxicepickxv
    @vxicepickxv2 ай бұрын

    Let's see. I guess I can run more Death Korps instead of Bullgryns to maintain my meat shield. I guess now a generic platoon plus an infantry squad with Creed to lob Fields of Fire across the map may not be the worst idea.

  • @kingzant99
    @kingzant992 ай бұрын

    Where would be the best place to ask weird minutiae rules interaction questions btw? I say this here bc you seem fairly knowledgeable about Sisters and I'm trying to break into the faction

  • @chicago928
    @chicago9282 ай бұрын

    The Custodes Land raider and the shield captain didn't change. They are still 240 and 140. Despite being marked green.

  • @gamewizardx

    @gamewizardx

    2 ай бұрын

    The adjuistment was based on the codex numbers in the book.

  • @AtomicZaku
    @AtomicZaku2 ай бұрын

    At this point my Deathwatch army is a normal Ironstorm army with a watch master. That's it. I don't even run proteus. Just a bunch of tacticals, preds, and dreads. With a single stormraven. I'm nit sure how to feel about this.

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

    I am having the same concerning feelings and am making sure my army is more generic SM than normal. On my list of the next 5 videos will be a video with expectations and advice for DW players

  • @josephercanbrack8393
    @josephercanbrack83932 ай бұрын

    Man, trying to get to 1000 pts with Ad Mech is making my cash disintegrate faster than a vampire in the sun.

  • @therandomoguy3809
    @therandomoguy38092 ай бұрын

    I'm a deathwatch main and i assume at this point gw literally don't give a shit

  • @Jimmy-pf7kr

    @Jimmy-pf7kr

    2 ай бұрын

    Same here! I'm getting worried

  • @lordalpharius5928
    @lordalpharius59282 ай бұрын

    Give admexh there vs 30k stuff, Bligh would had wanted that

  • @petervansan1054
    @petervansan10542 ай бұрын

    So I noticed one codex is bad and one is good in each release. So which one you want to make bad, sisters or genestealers?

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

    we just have to flip a coin!

  • @craigzinkta3988
    @craigzinkta39882 ай бұрын

    My Sisters LOVE points changes. Nett gain of 15 extra points on 750pt army. So, no crying out loud.

  • @Ricardazo
    @Ricardazo2 ай бұрын

    I am new to WH40K but I have seen all your videos, could you give me a strong 2000points list of sororitas army please?, I am a little bit lost now after the update, should I swap my flagellants for repentia?, How many tanks should I have?, is the exorcist still viable? thank you in advance

  • @hendrikrasmus
    @hendrikrasmus2 ай бұрын

    They said that AM was 43-43%

  • @Dram1984
    @Dram19842 ай бұрын

    Thank God I play 2nd edition :p

  • @tommyakesson8858
    @tommyakesson88582 ай бұрын

    Honestly? The way they changed the points to combat MSU is fantastic. I can still run my 10 henchemen squad, without being punished for mini-squads being too good.

  • @135forte
    @135forte2 ай бұрын

    Why does GW punish armies for playing the way they were designed?

  • @lordcastellan4735
    @lordcastellan47352 ай бұрын

    I'm calling it. Inquisition will be a full on army. Scions and Deathwatch will be in it.

  • @Kingofdragons117

    @Kingofdragons117

    2 ай бұрын

    I am not sure they will rip Scions outta Guard. Though they could have a thing where they can bring guard forces.

  • @arn1345
    @arn13452 ай бұрын

    Like... are Celestian Sacresants an elite unit anymore? 120 points? No changes to their unit profile? They have a shield! At least give them 2 wounds.

  • @kingzant99
    @kingzant992 ай бұрын

    I don't like it, but it is very funny that they functionally gave the Palatine a points increase without actually giving the Palatine a points increase.

  • @DefaultProphet
    @DefaultProphet2 ай бұрын

    I thought MSU was minimum size units…

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

    I hadn't heard that one but it works and refers to the same tactic - lots of small units Cool

  • @johnhildenbrand2642
    @johnhildenbrand26422 ай бұрын

    Lol, every fan in the galaxy begged them to not fuggin drop points in AdMech, so they go and do exactly that...I think that the vast majority of the GW staff responsible for decisions like this are completely out of touch with what the customers want

  • @theblackantonio
    @theblackantonio2 ай бұрын

    What's deathwatch? Never heard of it. No one plays that! 😂

  • @daleodorito
    @daleodorito2 ай бұрын

    As a necron olayer I HATE that they target inmortals with a nerf, they are not even good, we just take them cause we need those troops and warriors are so absolutely subpar. 10 Deathmarks now cost 30 pts less than 10 inmortals. Why?. Is not cause they are attacheable, cause that price is already paid on the characters since they already nerfed ALL cripteks. Inmortals didn't need a nerf, warriors needed a buff. We are forced to take even more shit for OC2 troops now.

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

    I do feel sad for the warriors, the massive regen they got in the Index was cool (tricky to deal with) but cool

  • @jaegerbomb269
    @jaegerbomb2692 ай бұрын

    Deathwatch is the second most neglected group of Space Marines behind the Grey Knights.

  • @matthieumnt4341

    @matthieumnt4341

    2 ай бұрын

    Lol at least you got buffed and nerfed.... Deathwatch got neither of those

  • @Tehstampede
    @Tehstampede2 ай бұрын

    I hate many of the design and lore decisions GW has made recently, but I will say that the push towards larger infantry units over MSU is something I'm in favor of. Outside of super-elite goons and/or super-durable brick shithouses, it makes zero sense for infantry to be running around in anything less than full squad size. Even 5 seems low, because one lucky shot can effectively neutralize that team's effectiveness. Take Retributors and their current 5-woman limit for example; one lucky lasgun reduces that squad's firepower by 25%, whereas one lucky shot against what used to be a 10-woman squad of Rest would just pop a bolter.

  • @brenden1477
    @brenden14772 ай бұрын

    Personally I think this update like the edition is rubbish and they needed to sit on 9th for a lot longer, several armies need full rules reworks now with a bunch of stat changes needed to make units do the jobs they are designed to do, seems the rules team are trying to tiptoe around the issues with the edition which is the game has evolved into a battle of: my broken shit is better than your broken shit.

  • @lordmalal
    @lordmalal2 ай бұрын

    These changes feel so low effort and pointless. Why did they even bother? Deathwatch, least played army with lowest comp winrate, and they don't even get touched?

  • @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    @ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

    2 ай бұрын

    It is concerning for their future...

  • @icklemoo

    @icklemoo

    2 ай бұрын

    I have a feeling it’s because they will be rolled into new forces of inquisition codex in summer

  • @gnuzu

    @gnuzu

    2 ай бұрын

    cause you dont play other armies lol

  • @martinkafka9510
    @martinkafka95102 ай бұрын

    I don't think that Custodes are cheaper. Maybe cheaper than what is in the excuse for a Codex, but Wardens, Guard and Allarus are same points as before. I.e. 50,45 and 65 per model. And btw there are no female Custodes and never were.

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