Great video. I remember when the early HP Streams were popular. Right out of the box it would try to do a Windows Update and then bootloop because the storage would get full. It was quite literally unusable. The amount of e-waste these budget laptops are generating is criminal.

@regularperson9297

3 ай бұрын

Ayyyyy its the greatest technician thats every lived!

@MTN1601

3 ай бұрын

The greatest channel that’s ever lived

@sebysebyt12

3 ай бұрын

Ayyyy racoon like fingers 😂

@floydlooney6837

3 ай бұрын

HP Streams should have come with ChromeOS or Linux. They barely run Windows. I can only see these things being used in a third world elementary school.

@aymanhawari2589

3 ай бұрын

New trash is worse then old buissness laptop

2gb of ram in a brand new laptop in 2024 is CRIMINAL

@alexturnbackthearmy1907

3 ай бұрын

2? 4gb with windows 10 should be illegal already. And if someone installs win 11 on it...we need second nurnberg trial.

@Insertdisks_101

3 ай бұрын

My phone (which is a budget phone) even has more ram than this, PCs should have more ram than phones

@superpie64

3 ай бұрын

@@Insertdisks_101 i think 8GB should be the minimum for computers now, as that can still run windows smoothly most of the time

@IKER1000sYT

3 ай бұрын

​@@superpie64and 12 GB the standard

@dr.cocacola

2 ай бұрын

​@@IKER1000sYTActually i think it should be 16GB

These crap laptops are a trap for poor people.

@triforcelink

3 ай бұрын

Making the poor even poorer

@Max_Mustermann

3 ай бұрын

Not just poor people. Some people just want a basic laptop for simple everyday tasks and will buy something like this assuming that it will be powerful enough.

@mharris5047

3 ай бұрын

@@Max_Mustermann I did that once in 2014. I bought a new Toshiba laptop with the AMD E1-2100 CPU. It was a piece of (expletive), it ran even worse than the computer in this video. I still have it but I actually didn't use it much. I even tried Lubuntu and Xubuntu on it -- it was still a piece of (expletive). I am not poor but figured anything in a brand new computer would be fine for web browsing and office tasks.

@vp.rossen

2 ай бұрын

craptops

@enturnetrol7869

2 ай бұрын

They have their uses. Most Celeron laptops have extremely long battery life. You don't need a lot of power to write a paper.

"Office tasks" The proliferation of Microsoft Teams has made 8GB the minimum for "office tasks." My god what a pile of shit.

@tierdropp7544

2 ай бұрын

Teams makes me want to vomit anytime i have to open it

@gogadev

Ай бұрын

Your from?

I expected it to be bad, but... 2 GB RAM? 32 GB eMMC? This looks like a low end laptop from the same year as the Thinkpad you've shown, not newer.

@user-ge5pg9wi1z

3 ай бұрын

I didn't even know you could buy a laptop with 2gb of ram, crazy.

@MyArtificialNostalgia

3 ай бұрын

You're almost correct. Companies have been selling similarly spec'd machines since windows 8.1 came out sadly... I remember around 2014/2015 I got a brand new Dell Inspiron as a gift, had a Celeron N2830, 4GB RAM, and a 500GB 5400RPM HDD, it was completely unusable with anything other than linux or Windows 7. Even with linux or windows 7, 720p youtube would still have hitches, on windows 10 it was a slideshow. Don't even get me started on boot times, which an SSD will help, but thats ALL the SSD will help, as the system is constantly bottlenecked by the CPU. They are a literal scam, and anybody I've known looking for a laptop, I've personally helped them source a used one because I know what those Celeron's feel like lmao

@xplayerfireone

3 ай бұрын

basically throwing together the leftover e-waste and selling it as a new laptop

@Mr.1.i

3 ай бұрын

They had a meeting when they were designing it god know how the favour of 2gb seems like the challenge in the marketing

@sihamhamda47

3 ай бұрын

Even modern Linux will struggle for this kind of spec. The lightest known Linux distros now recommends 3GB or higher RAM for better experience Sure 32-bit Linux still exist, which is more lightweight, but good luck installing any apps you want, as most 32-bit apps are already discontinued

I remember when I started first year in college. Everyone has their shiny new expensive laptops. And there I was with my post apocalyptic x230 among them. I kid you not these guys were willing to spend 400 bucks minimum on celeron laptops just simply because they're in an unopened box. There were also a few Chromebook (*gagging*) and Macs as well. I don't know how these people got through college with those sloth incarnated machines. And they even had the gut to tell me "hey, man, you should invest in new laptops like us instead of using a 70 bucks laptop" bruh. In 2024 Celeron can't even play youtube video without lagging.

@schweineful

3 ай бұрын

Among my friends, the x230 is still loved today. We, a handful IT-Pros recommended this machines to them years ago. Cheap, reliable and sturdy.

@user-ff5ch7tv3f

3 ай бұрын

@@schweineful if you don't mind my asking, what has been your experience with 9 cell battery on x230? Does it really last 12 hours with basic web browsing like people are saying?

@lvl90dru1d

3 ай бұрын

opposite situation here, people in college with 1000$+ macbooks love my Intel Classmate netbook from 2010 which i bought for 20$, and it's still good for basic tasks

@schweineful

3 ай бұрын

@@user-ff5ch7tv3f I don‘t know, I never had one on my own. But 12 hours sounds too much to me.

@i3_i9

3 ай бұрын

I’m one of those MacBook Pro users. I have a M2 MacBook Pro. I’m looking to get a gaming laptop for I.T though because I need it for more power hungry tasks that my M2 MacBook can’t handle.

2GB ram and 32GB emmc makes these laptops practically a scam

@LenasSun

3 ай бұрын

By that specs even a 7 year old LG phone does better lol

@d3vitron779

3 ай бұрын

Selling a brick that can run windows 10

@user-nh6qg7sd8j

3 ай бұрын

They make apple look good.

@sonicthomasgamer

3 ай бұрын

@@d3vitron779Windows 7 or even 8.1 would’ve been better. At the very least debloat the hell out of windows 10 would give it more breathing room

@sonicthomasgamer

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@d3vitron779Linux is the best outcome. Imagine if SteamOS came on laptops It’s game over

Honestly the other problem is that the modern web and windows is just too bloated. And it’s getting worse

@Gameplayer55055

3 ай бұрын

I think that ewaste would run windows xp just fine Imagine that a trashy web browser consumea more memory than an FPS game

@BlueEyedVibeChecker

3 ай бұрын

@@Gameplayer55055 I'm a windows user, and honestly, if it has "Celeron" anywhere on the case, box and/or spec sheet, head for the hills. Just burn it down and commit tax fraud on the "loss", it's the only way a Celeron is worth the money. (Because then it doesn't cost any)

@SuperFranzs

3 ай бұрын

Nah. I installed Linux Mint on a Celeron PC once. It still horrible. I've never experienced such a slow PC before. The Web being bloated is a legit reason, but these Celerons would struggle on an optimized Web as well.

@Gameplayer55055

3 ай бұрын

@@SuperFranzs maybe emmc sucks? Whenever linux lags on low end hardware, it's mostly disk io from my experience

@SuperFranzs

3 ай бұрын

@@Gameplayer55055 It might've been, but the CPU was constantly pegged at 100%. It's single core, single threaded after all. Like, stuff like the terminal emulator could be using 30% of the CPU, which is unheard of. What a terrible processor. The generous 64GB of EMMC storage didn't help either.

I hate it when laptop makers use really old, weak chips in new laptops and charge hundreds of dollars for them. You can get a new laptop with an Intel N100 that should perform much better than that old Thinkpad for around 200 dollars. It's important to read reviews before buying and do some research. It's the same for everything in life, wether it's a computer, a car a house etc... Companies shouldn't scam people, but people still need to do their research if they don't want to be scammed.

@beavatatlan

3 ай бұрын

My sister has an n100 laptop and it's great

@mrman6035

3 ай бұрын

It's kind of unfortunate that a mini PC would probably be a better buy but that's a whole other can of worms with how many release a year.

@jonfreeman9682

2 ай бұрын

You get what you pay for. It's cheap for a reason. They have to make money on each unit so that's why they use these cheap chips that cost pennies.

A friend of mine bought this exact same lenovo, and asked me (IT technician) to fix it's stutters. I saw Celeron and told him raw: buy a new one. This is literally trash. Btw, he could asked me about the model before buying.

@triforcelink

3 ай бұрын

I can’t believe these companies are even getting away with manufacturing this ewaste, everyone suffers except for the people that make this trash.

@jonfreeman9682

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I don't think these should be sold. It's unusable. My buddy bought one for like $400 with 4 GB RAM but Celeron and it stutters with KZread. Honestly it's unusable.

@triforcelink

2 ай бұрын

@@jonfreeman9682 He should return it ASAP. Stores will keep selling this junk if they keep making money off it.

You forgot to mention that the old used ThinkPads are basically indestructible. You could have used the broken screen on the new laptop to talk about the rigidity of old ThinkPads, and showed some crash tests like that one T410 torture test. Couple that with the proper keyboard that they have and the TrackPoint with hot-swappable big batteries to get lots of battery life. t. T480 owner

@XxGorillaGodxX

3 ай бұрын

Indeed. They aren't as robust as they used to be, but ThinkPads are still very durable laptops relative to other options you can get.

@one_step_sideways

3 ай бұрын

@@XxGorillaGodxX The T480 is pretty robust compared to the modern "ThinkPads" that are being made, and it can be empirically proven - it's the last one to feature drain holes for the keyboard's water spill protection, and the bigger bezels and more thickness also help with rigidity a lot. That's why the T480 is now regarded as the new T430. Everything starting from T480s/T490 onwards is an attempt to make a macbook with none of the good parts and the same outrageous pricetag.

@user-mc5mu1xl4w

3 ай бұрын

+1 for T480. Recommend it to anybody willing to buy sth on budget

@jacksontrannguyen8424

3 ай бұрын

They're literally Nokia of laptops

@Brahvim

3 ай бұрын

​@@jacksontrannguyen8424One hour before me! I was here to say this!

Theres an old saying in my country ( which shall not be named, as it might be considered a swearword) "Poor man always pay twice"

@windws7137

Ай бұрын

Based pfp)

@PotatoPCGamerz

3 күн бұрын

The reason behind this sentence is that them celeron laptops are both slow and breakable. So when it breaks, it isnt worth repairing, rather a new laptop is much better.

If you swap out a hard drive for an SSD on an old computer, keep the drive and buy an enclosure for it! They’re only $10 and after formatting, will let you use it as an external drive. Got 1.5TB of legit file space for only $20 that way, even if the transfer speed is slow.

@BlueJeans-mf6mx

2 ай бұрын

Based advice, based profile picture

@fortunamajor7239

2 ай бұрын

I'm about to embark on my 1st big project opening an old laptop & I'm keeping this advice in my back pocket !!

Damn I swear to god, for half of that can get an ThinkPad T480 or similar business laptop with 8GB RAM, 256GB and that laptop will smoke even that new celeron laptop.

@schweineful

3 ай бұрын

I have an speced out T480s with Debian on it and it is my lab machine for VirtualBox. Never feels sluggish.

@Canleaf08

3 ай бұрын

My employer gave me a T480 with only 128 GB SSD. It was not enough for development tasks. If you can upgrade it, fine.

@trandinhvietdung9357

3 ай бұрын

@@Canleaf08 You can give it a 256GB SSD or 512GB SSD which probably increase the cost of the laptop a little bit but it will be still around or lower than that e-waste. If you cannot do it yourself, you can bring it to a repair shop (with the SSD that you buy) and asked them to do in front of your face. (You also need a special adapter caddy, which is cheap, for the T480 if you want to use NVMe SSD for very fast speed or you can use SATA SSD to have better cost per GB)

@JohnVance

3 ай бұрын

Man I'm still daily driving a T450s maxed out on RAM and with a decent SSD, I don't game, it does everything I ever want

@lassali1427

3 ай бұрын

I went from $30,000 to $125,000 a year in 24 months learning linux on a T480. I had no knowledge at all of computers. I took 8 certifications, my bachelors and became a LINUX wiz. All on a computer that i found at goodwill for $79 with no harddrive. .

The same issue had my mother since she was partial to used ones she bought one New celeron Lenovo with windows 10 preinstalled in 500 euros! It was unacceptably slow, and when I just gave her my old desktop computer from 2009 hp compaq 500B MT 4 gb ram intel Dual Core, with SSD and linux mint! Once she realized this she was amazed at the huge difference in performance, and how much he put up with it!

@MTN1601

3 ай бұрын

laptop with intel celeron for 500$??? Bro, they really scammed your mother

@regularperson9297

3 ай бұрын

I got a almost brand new ideapad 120s from lenovo for about 40 bucks. It also has a celeron processor, the n4020 + 4gigs of ram and 64 emmc. And now two years later it still works no problem. Can handle light gaming at 720p and some 1080p. Also does 1080p/1440p streaming. The screen is the worst in my opinion. (wouldnt buy it for the speakers either) But while using a external monitor its all good. I also agree that running some lightweight linux distro is better than windows 10 or 11.

@caustictoad

3 ай бұрын

500 euros for a celeron is such an enormous scam that its incomprehensible

@regularperson9297

3 ай бұрын

@@caustictoad fr, I bought a laptop with a gtx 1650 ti and a ryzen 5 4600h, came with 8 gigs of ram and a 512gb m2, but upgrading it was simple and all that for was for about 400 euros. And if you were to find one it would probably be cheaper considering its a 4-5 years old laptop by now. And it still works fine with minimal Maintenance.

@caustictoad

3 ай бұрын

@@regularperson9297 that would most certainly cost 600 as of now you got it from second hand?

its even worse when it comes to school computers and if they arent lagging hardcore at basic activities then they're having graphical glitches and electronic schizophrenia since either half the battery gets burnt in 20 minutes or only 5% get used up over an hour and if they also arent having that then they're having crappy software and asinine restrictions, and if they dont have that then they have external programs for those restrictions (even though you can pretty much control all allowed actions in windows)

@tylern6420

3 ай бұрын

and If they somehow dont have any of that then they have reliability thats about equal to that submarine that imploded

@ritosankhohalder9366

3 ай бұрын

The monitors are damaged in most of our school computer setups, and many of them crash when we try to open microsoft Excel. Not the software, but the whole system bluescreens or shuts down. And speaking of computers, my old HP laptop with a Kaby Lake i3 7020u holds up pretty well to 14-16 browser tabs, Libreoffice and a file manager running simultaneously. I don't really think one really needs an i5 for browser tabs.

@tylern6420

3 ай бұрын

@@ritosankhohalder9366 if i could get away with replacing the Windows installation on one of them i would have done it 3 weeks ago

@IanF_youtube

2 ай бұрын

It's gotten so bad I have to bring my home laptop to school

@windws7137

Ай бұрын

Electronic schizophrenia Well put

these garbage laptops shouldn't be even marketed "laptops", rather "portable thin clients" because it does a far better job being a thin client than being a laptop

Schools: we need the whole stock

@invaliduser1111

3 ай бұрын

Lol xd

@MightyJabroni

2 ай бұрын

Back to the drawing board they go! Again!!

@NCHLTII

2 ай бұрын

My school replaced their i5 HDD machines from 2014 with brand new "geobooks" that have horrible celerons and EMMC storage

How does windows 10 even work with 2GB of ram⁉️

@cody.vagabond

2 ай бұрын

Mine uses 4gb RAM already with no opened apps

@hakureicirno6059

2 ай бұрын

Barely, used to use a Windows tablet with 2GB RAM with Windows 10 before, have to roll back to Windows 8 in the end. There is also 1GB variation, can’t imagine that. I’ll just use Windows XP Tablet Edition if it has drivers.

@Nyarotate

Ай бұрын

Windows 10 has a minimum requirement of 2GB of RAM, while 11 has a requirement of 4GB of RAM

I pulled a Lenovo SL510 out of a NYC e-waste bin. I gave it 8Gb of DDR3 RAM, a 256Gb SSD and then installed 64Bit Linux Mint: MATE Edition. It runs like a champ and does everything I need it to do. This SL510 should be good for the next 25 years. God bless Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds.

@ardarctica

2 ай бұрын

I have the same laptop, rocking that intel core 2 duo with 4 gigs of ram. do you think i should also slap an 8 gig on it and change the hdd to an ssd? will it make the old champ usable?

@PotatoPCGamerz

2 ай бұрын

@@ardarctica it will make it alot more usable with 8gb ram and an ssd

My dad is still using an old Core 2 Duo machine. Holds up perfectly fine for word processing with the SSD we put in there 7 years ago

@johnf7683

3 ай бұрын

I love my Core 2 Duo Thinkpad x201, 8 gigs of ram and ssd running MX Linux. It's perfect for browsing, email, word processing and spreadsheets (LibreOffice). Parts are inexpensive, and it's easy to repair....real screws, great hinges, and NO GLUE!!

@paulstubbs7678

3 ай бұрын

I have a few Core 2 desktops, work fine (Win 11 is a problem) unlike cheap laptops

Thank you. Thank you for sharing this knowledge, and pointig out the problems, and solutions!

The low performance of cheap new laptops is entirely down to the fact that they are severely power limited in the BIOS. I picked up a few Celeron N4020 laptops for 99€ each for my family. Yes, the performance is terrible out of the box, but removing the power limit made them perfectly usable, they can even run GTA V at 20 fps with an external hard disk. If you can get these for around that price, then they definitely are worth it considering that there are no further investments required, they get good battery life l and will work for a good while.

@k.b.tidwell

3 ай бұрын

How do you remove the power limit? Is that dependent on particular BIOS's, or can you do that on any laptop?

@charginginprogresss

3 ай бұрын

ward

@k.b.tidwell

2 ай бұрын

Again, how do you remove the power limit?

@damian9303

2 ай бұрын

Considering that the minimum spec requirement for GTA V is equivalent to a 2008 business-orientated mobile laptop, you’re better off buying off Marketplace. Even some Windows 7 family laptop from ~2011 with whichever Pentium would boast about the same performance give or take

@k.b.tidwell

2 ай бұрын

So there's no way to remove the power limit. This is bogus.

Informative, easy to understand for a casual person, and very compassionate to people who may not be tech heads, nor have the time or money to spend finding the perfect laptop computer Definitely going on my favorites playlist. Great work!

Had a family member ask me for help picking a laptop, I just bought an old Thinkpad from eBay and installed linux, they occasionally have questions about some aspects of it's usage but otherwise they're pretty happy.

it's the second reincarnation of those terrible netbooks from 2008-2009 that had crappy VIA and single core Atom CPUs that couldn't even handle WINDOWS XP!

@NCHLT

Ай бұрын

They are literally the exact same thing, The EMMC celerons started popping up just 1 year after the end of the old netbooks

Finally someone talking about this. I was going to get a Lenovo, but I got an Acer instead, MUCH MORE BUILD Quality and has more ports and has a true HDMI Port, which was useful for my college. And I got over my budget to get the best processor I could buy, for longevity reasons (also gaming lol). Ryzen 5700u. I plan on upgrading the ram to 20gb and installing a second SSD on it. And wow, I NEVER thought these underpowered laptops even existed outside my country.... Wow.. I thought Positivo laptops were bad, but these real brands are very close to this very sketchy brand in Brazil. The ONLY BAD THING is that it has a soldered 4gb ram, which I cant escape. Only gamer laptops have unsoldered ram nowdays. Also I dont recommend Intel without an external GPU. AMD's Internal GPU's do much better without a dedicated graphics card, and it has stronger cores, good for longevity. But that's my viewing of things. Awesome video

@Duraputer

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I agree with that, AMD does a better job with the iGPU, so it's better for gaming. Both can be fine for office tasks.

@tbqhwyf

3 ай бұрын

My Asus laptop was very easy to open, you could install a 2.5 inch SSD/HDD inside, and 16 gb of upgradable RAM (although one of the memory slots was soldered)

@armamentarmedarm1699

3 ай бұрын

Acer, really? Even versus Ideapads and non-thinkpad Yogas, that's tough to believe.

@TehKaiser

3 ай бұрын

@@armamentarmedarm1699 Acer is budget and bad build quality but Lenovo is also pretty flimsy. Just because Lenovo make Thinkpads does not mean that filters down to everything else they make. Hinges will likely fail. Their monitors...well...the one I have already has power issues after mere months of usage. It was a refurb from VIPOutlet, but that's a bad sign. While a supposedly cheap Gateway(Acer) bought new ten years ago has worked nonstop.

@linkfreeman1998

2 ай бұрын

@@armamentarmedarm1699 if you get old Acer laptops which had upgradable RAM and storage then it is fine. Avoid those with soldered RAMs and storage.

Good info. Worth a like and a message. 👍😃

Thanks mate.

Thank You, Bloody Good Video

Loving my new 3mo. old Lenovo idea pad. Upgraded from a 11yr old toshiba i7 laptop. The new one does circles around the former. Loved the cost also, half of what the Toshiba cost. Great upgrade.

Get a second hand Thinkpad, processor, RAM and HD all upgradeable, I have a T420 with a i7 processor, 16 gig of Ram, a 1TB ssd and Windows 10, runs a treat, total cost? just under £200.

@soniFloatingAbout

3 ай бұрын

that's a steal. I don't think most can get it for that much, good stuff

good practical advice.

It's not just laptops, either. One of my nieces bought my mother a desktop computer....turned out to have a pitiful little Celeron, and it's so slow it makes me want to cry. My mother isn't used to good computers, so she's happy with the POS. That was a few years ago, but they still sell similar junk. I think this one came from Best Buy....shame on whatever company sold the thing.

Thanks, great video and very helpful for us newbies, especially old folk like me.

I love how you tested video playback on a video titled "The Absolute Fastest Gaming Computer".

I had financial trouble a few years ago and had to reinvigorate my old 2010 HP laptop. I got a $22 i7 620M from China, upgraded it to 8GB of RAM and got a cheap 500GB micron SSD for it. Put Linux Mint on it and it lasted me from 2018 to 2021 until I had more money and got myself a new system.

I've noticed that HDDs are also struggling to run windows 10. A 100% write speed is just crazy when you only have one Edge tab open.

This video is amazingly well put Informative enough but also simple enough. That list of proccesors that still "hold up" is pretty much the perfect info for non tech person to guide themselves on buying used laptops

I've got one of these things but it's from 2018; 2GB RAM, 32GB eMMC, some dual core Celeron, 1366x768 screen. It was semi-usable if you only wanted to run a tab or 2 in a browser but now it can't even do that. They're absolute garbage and the only reason I still keep it charged is so that I have a 2nd backup battery to charge my phone when there's a blackout. If they could have linux installed on them then they might be useful for light tasks but you can't install another OS on them either.

I got lucky to find a good laptop for the price locally, I'll probably never find one again at that price I found a HP Gaming it had i5 10300H / GTX 1650 4GB / 8GB 2933mhz ram / 256GB NVME Was $125, the only issue I found with it is that it needed a replacement esc key which is a very cheap fix and a ram upgrade which I got another kit of the same ram for $21. I happened to have a 500GB WD drive laying around and I'm using that for extra storage It runs great.

@Duraputer

3 ай бұрын

Sounds like a great deal!

@deanchur

3 ай бұрын

That's a great deal; I've got a 1650 75W in the Dell Optiplex I'm using now and it's a good card for 1080p gaming for games released in the mid-late 2010's. Nier Automata and Deus Ex Mankind Divided will run fine at 1080p high on that card.

@meowritz

3 ай бұрын

i got a similar specced OEM gaming laptop like that for $130 a few months ago because the previous owner did not know how to reinstall Windows, pretty good deal, but ive managed to even get 11th gen L14 Thinkpads for as low as $50 because people sold them off after finishing high school, also amazing value

@_defined

3 ай бұрын

it is a steal

My HP Probook 4430s has been amazing for me. I put an i7 2630qm in it, 16 gb of ram, a 1 tb SSD, bluetooth card, wifi dongle, and a few other upgrades into it for about $80 total last year. That thing got me through high school, college, an EMS course, and put up with years of gaming. I really wish a modern equivalent of those old tanks existed. Or an easy way to put some more modern tech into mine. 13 years old and still fires right up every day. Half the keys are visibly worn from use, and the paint to the left of the mousepad is worn through from my hand resting on it, but everything works beautifully. And she may not have the fastest, newest, or most advanced tech under the hood, but by sheer brute force she can hold up against a lot of newer laptops for far cheaper.

late 2000s and early 2010s laptops are the best. they're just made to last a lifetime. I use an hp probook 640 from 2013, same W7 install since 2017!

@ZFnr4y058mr

Ай бұрын

I disagree. They are insanely bulky and heavy. I sometimes can’t believe how thin and light laptops have become.

I have a W520, T470, X230 T and an Apple MacBook Pro 2012 which are my regular drivers. They are good for editing. The T470 and the W520 even can run DaVinci Resolve and the X230T can run Premiere.

Why does Intel even still make the Celeron? I didn't buy the 386SX or the 486SX, why would I buy deliberately underpowered garbage? Why did Micro Center's brick and mortar stores here in the midwestern USA sell DIABLOTEK power supplies that were HORRIBLE? Because they could make money selling to unsuspecting rubes, that's why !

Those celerons are actually great for running mini home servers, some models like J4125 can also transcode 1 stream. But as a normal PC they suck hard.

@meowritz

3 ай бұрын

the N4120 and the new N100 are pretty solid, but i would never recommend them unless its an 11" mini laptop or a mini cube PC

@Halz0holic

3 ай бұрын

@@meowritz my Jellyfin runs on N100

@SuperFranzs

3 ай бұрын

@@meowritz The N100 is a beast for it's power consumption! I run Proxmox on a BeeLink small desktop. It handles Jellyfin exceptionally well due to it's built in encoder and decoder.

@abcdef-vk7si

3 ай бұрын

I ran xubuntu on n3350, ddr3 4 gb, 64 emmc and it worked fine. worked like shit on Windows 10. Probably would work even better had I ran arch on it (gentoo would take too long to compile)

@TehKaiser

3 ай бұрын

It's the CPU arch. The vid creator is hush about naming them specifically.

It helps to see one in a store, rather than online. And if the display is crappy, you will see that too. Poor battery life, however, you only find out when you get home. I've got several Lenovo laptops but after seeing videos about the current ones, I may decide differently next time.

@fortunamajor7239

2 ай бұрын

Yeah my current Lenovo is one of the Yogas released in 2022 or 2023, I like the way it performs in p much every aspect except battery life smh

Lenovo ThinkPad T400 (14”) and T500 (15.6”) series are an excellent choice for a second hand laptop. Those are business laptops with very good hardware, usually around 4h of battery life and a superb build quality.

@Duraputer

3 ай бұрын

I like the t400, I had one myself and used it for several years. But I would say if someone wants the classic ThinkPad design, the T420 would be more worthwhile for the better performance, even if it is a little bit worse build quality. (I'm not saying you should get a t420, it's more for other people who might see this comment, if they want something that works well with windows, although it would be better with Linux.)

@SweBeach2023

3 ай бұрын

Would disagree, those laptops are just too old. Go for a 2-3 year old office laptop instead, it will give much better long-term value.

@Peter-mj6lz

2 ай бұрын

@@SweBeach2023 I'm using a Thinkpad X230 from 2013 and it still has lots of life in it to do everyday tasks.

@SweBeach2023

2 ай бұрын

It's may still be usable, but upgrading to a 6-7 year old newer system may be as little as $100-150.

@Peter-mj6lz

2 ай бұрын

@@SweBeach2023 true, but hopefully one that is as repairable and lasts as long as before I use to get laptops with current specs but they would only last 3-4 years.

100% agree with this video. Resurrected a 2012 laptop with SSD, RAM, and Linux. Cost less than $30, and it runs better than many new budget laptops. Even if one doesn't know a lot about computers, they're bond to have a friend or relative that can do these upgrades for them.

I have an 8 year old Dell laptop, that I've upgraded to 16gb of ram, from 8, and installed an SSD. I still works well, with the 5th gen i5. I don't game so... I mainly run a persistent Linux distro, from an ssd, attached by an adapter cable, to the usb3 port. I still keep Windows around, just in case.

I'm not even totally sure if Linux would be a perfect fit (at least not for easy distros) due to the 2GB of RAM. I've gone as a far as installing Gentoo to one of my friends Celeron laptops and although it wasn't nearly as slow as Windows, it was still so bad to the point where my friend ended up selling that laptop anyway. I have a HP laptop that's over 10 years old now. It is certainly faster than most modern laptops that I've tried.

@johnf7683

3 ай бұрын

You need a lightweight Distro like Anitx or Lubuntu. They can run on 2 gigs of ram, but work better if you have 4-8 gigs and an SSD. Lubuntu is an easy install.

@candicejoe

3 ай бұрын

@@johnf7683 Gentoo is probably the lightest weight you can get. As everything can be compiled and optimized for your CPU.

emmc is pain

@あとみしばい

3 ай бұрын

yeah, even a mechanical hdd is better

@one_step_sideways

3 ай бұрын

​​@@あとみしばいNo, actually, eMMC is not as bad. Give it a year and 2.5" the hard drive will become unusable, eMMC is going to be a lot better

@あとみしばい

3 ай бұрын

@@one_step_sideways it is still slow tho

@one_step_sideways

3 ай бұрын

@@あとみしばい Yes

@あとみしばい

3 ай бұрын

@@one_step_sideways my SATA SSD is faster tho

Everybody in my circle told me not to buy a lenovo v15 g2 alc with 5500u because it was 2 years old Best laptop i bought, saved lots of money than buying an intel 13th gen equiv

@pankoza2

2 ай бұрын

and has WAY better iGPU than the Intel one

I have been thinking about this exact topic and came to many of the same conclusions. I'm definitely sharing this video.

1:03 problem is even a commodore 64 could play a vid smoothly at 144p

I have a Lenovo ThinkPad X220 running Windows 7. If I ever need to do a resource intensive task while on-the-go, I can just remote into my desktop machine and work from there. For simple games such as Minecraft or Roblox, I can sit at 40-60 FPS on low settings. The only thing that really bothers me is its lack of support for DirectX11 or newer versions of OpenGL.

@ClitoridectomyGroyper

3 ай бұрын

Can you use an eGPU?

@WaffleIsLost

3 ай бұрын

@@ClitoridectomyGroyper I might be able to, it has an ExpressCard slot.

The dislikes are from Lenovo Employees

And the most fun difference between "New" budget laptop, and EVEN extremely budget laptop from early 2010's with "celeron inside" is the fact, that old one can be tuned like hell by upgrading CPU/RAM/Storage while almost nothing can save that brand new Lenovo from a trash bin))

Im currently watching on a Lenovo Thinkpad X131e rn in 720p And I spent 99$ on this, with free shipping! It can literally run Half Life 2 with absolutely no issues, it can play media with 0 issues, its pretty much a decent laptop despite it's price. Great video btw, I agree with everything you said.

Celerons have their uses, such as in my network router (An aliexpress mini pc with four 2.5GbE networks ports). They do not belong in consumer laptops - they are just too weak and often paired with too little memory and a tiny slow eMMC as seen in this example. Some solid advice in this video. Well done.

My community college offers a service like checking in and checking out a library book but with a laptop. I am a Drafting major, and I am able to check in and check out every semester a Dell Precision laptop with a 9th Gen i7, 32 GB RAM, and NVIDIA graphics. Overall, I think my college is doing well providing this service to people like me who need a more powerful laptop for college.

@NatetheNintendofan

3 ай бұрын

Why not just buy one dude

@alpzepta

2 ай бұрын

​@@NatetheNintendofanThose Dell Precision laptop cost like $3000. But older one can be like $400 though. I'm looking at a Fujitsu Celsius H780 right after I had enough with Thin and Light laptop they all suck. Nvidia Quadro P1000 is still faster than the Intel Iris XE

Good advice. Those "new" laptops are not good for using the more recent versions Windows unless you make significant tweaks the operating system or install a modified version of Windows such as Tiny 11. Though if you do have one of those "new" laptops, you are probably better off installing either a Linux distro or another non-Windows operating system.

Everyone of my laptops were refurbished with Windows 10 on them when I bought them and they all got wiped and replaced with Linux in order to give me privacy,better performance and peace of mind.All four of them have i5 processors,two have 8 GB's of ram and one has 16 GB's of ram,two are Dell's and two are ThinkPads.

thank you

Best Buy open-box had one of those ASUS 11.6" E210s for about $60l and now it's my favorite laptop for remote desktop.

I use t440p daily including work. Beat it up and throwing alot, it still work like nothing. I had also x230t and heavily abuse for many year. it "dies" but have chance to repair just no time and resources yet. I help my wife sister use to x240 across all her college with no problem compare her previous hp laptop like yours in video but slow cpu and crack because weak plastic.

Well, I've got Intel(R) Celeron(R) N5095 packed in mine combined with 16gb memory and 528gb ssd. At first it was quite slow but then I switched the setting to allow windows to use all 4 cpu cores instead of only 2 by default and the performance sky rocketed. It's not the fastest machine on the planet and can only play network based games but it is much more usable now. Computers just need to have a good SYSTEM overall not just a powerful processor or just a high amount of memory, or just an ssd drive. Hope that this helps. The one thing that does bug me about my laptop is that doesn't have an ethernet port 😑

This is so true. We need strong legislation against such greedy manufacturers.

that x201 was much faster than i thought

What is the best old used Lenovo Thinkpad Laptop model would you recommend to people sir?

i do have acer e1 from 2014 with windows 10 & shitty celeron n2820. on HDD, it painfully slow and i even need to wait few minutes to complete booting. with SSD (even 2gigs of ram), it immediately going quick as hell. the conclusion: do not use HDD as a system installation disk. use only for external storage. if you want boot drive, SSD is a bare minimum.

4:07 Ayo wait a minute what's that website you've got open there 🤔

@ValentinaDiNapoli-bh7ds

3 ай бұрын

It's Corn Porn 😅🤭

@Seeded335

3 ай бұрын

It’s just c0rnhub

@richmond1997

3 ай бұрын

Cornhub

You have a very good point about them just being made as a quick money grab the only reason a person should have one of those if they get it given to them or for really cheap and are going to use it for a custom project by one of them people that would get away raspberry pi project using a Celeron instead

This brings back memories of architecture uni ,parents got there kids laptops that couldn't run cad, blender let alone KZread. Luck i got a job in pc shop & learnt about specs.

One things I do with hard drives and solid drives is I use SSDs for boot and games while using HDD for important data. I got two NVMe slots + a 2.5" HDD / SATA SSD slot so yeah, I used all of them lol.

Thank you for sharing this video! It's been a LONG time since I've heard somebody talking SENSE on the internet. Duraputer, you are SO right about these shitty, cheap laptop. One thing you didn't point out, was that most of these laptop rely on passive cooling. They don't have FANS! Not only that, but since they don't have fans, the CPUs are being thermally THROTTLED! Some of them are actually prevented from running flat out in their firmware. My wife's niece bought one for her son and the damn thing stopped working because it didn't have room for a Windows upgrade! WTF?! Not only that but they have a crippled version of Windows installed, something called Windows S, which does not allow installing a lot of programs. Basically, it's a single-tasking computer with NO virtual memory! And trust me, I use several older computers but with Linux and FreeBSD not Windows. I actually have a SEMPRON (even older than a Celeron) with 2GB RAM in a tower configuration but since it does have a FAN, it runs FINE! I've replaced the hard drive with 2x1TB SSD drives and I use it as my main fileserver. It's old but fit for purpose.

Nice video

I'm guessing the advantages of the new one are weight and battery life ?

A lot of sub-$500 laptops have very slow clock speed. That does enhance battery life, but your pages and processes may run very slowly. It's a point worth checking.

Microcenter has Lenovo IdeaPad 1 14" laptop for $250 with: AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (2.1GHz) Processor, 8GB DDR4-3200 RAM, AMD Radeon Vega 7 Integrated Graphics, 256GB SSD

if youre "old" laptop isnt fast enough just upgrade youre laptop (the ram or even the cpu and the storage if avalble) insteadd of throwing it away and getting a "new"one as i am doing it to my asus vivobook 15 with 8gb ram upgrading it to 32 gb ram to run minecraft at a faster rate. even photoshop will be able to run faster. if needed to maybe debloat windows and or buy a new laptop if you cant upgrade it and make youre "old" laptop into a machine to play about with linux, hackintosh, make a minecraft server, or make it into a smart fridge, make it into a smart mirror, make it into a kiosk (home control panel to control smart home appliences) and many more.

Maybe try to upgrade that new Lenovo laptop with an SSD to make it a fair comparison. If that's even possible with the eMMC installed. Also the 2GB of RAM are an outright scam.

I just got a Lenovo ThinkPad X280 with 16GB RAM and a 512GB SSD for just 220€. Loving the thing. Some people just prefer to spend the same on laptops with 2012 netbook kind of specs just to get a brand new one.

I had a Toshiba netbook that suffered from being unable to do basic tasks, and even crashed a lot.

@dee23gaming

3 ай бұрын

I put Linux on my old Toshiba laptop a while ago. It runs like a beast now. Windows 10 was holding it back.

Good Job! I have 14 computers, laptops and mid towers. Learned how PC's working buying used pcs. Your video is right on!

I would never even consider a laptop with eMMc storage.

my first laptop that I copped a few years ago was also a Lenovo with Windows 10 installed, its performance was even worse compared to what was demonstrated in the video despite having more ram. since then I learned how computers work, switched to Linux and upgraded this laptop, but no matter which Linux distro I installed or how much ram I added it still performs pretty badly. then I sorta acquired another Lenovo laptop for my office, which is about 15 years old. so I fixed the keyboard, upgraded it and now it performs pretty well, even kinda close to my Acer Nitro 5

i bought a 100 dolla chromie, put linux on it. Pretty good experience, sometimes it locks up however it can me mitigated via swap partition.

I bought one of those craptops from a thrift store. It actually struggles to run Windows and the crappy Intel Atom Z3735F has a clock speed lower than those low end cpus from 2006. The cpu is 64 bit but the bios is locked to be 32 bit for some unknown reason with so chaotic hardware that not even linux will even boot from it if I am lucky. The mouse and keyboard wont even work without a driver

We had computers with celeron at my first job. About 1gb RAM and win XP. It was many years ago. And even on Windows XP everything worked with lags. It's been so many years, but Intel still makes these processors for some reason and they are as slow as before.

2 core 2.4GHz processor with 2GB of RAM is unable to load a script in a browser and move an image from left to right. There were times when everything worked smoothly on way less powerful machines and they were not considered underpowered. This Celeron is roughly as powerful as Core 2 Duo E8400 (and its consumption is ~10 times less), meaning it must be able to run Crysis, so the real problem is somewhere else :( Still, I don't understand why is doesn't perform well enough in youtube, because it does have an h264 acceleration in its GPU.

Yep! I have one of those HP Celeron 4020 laptops & even with 4gb ram it is slow. If you're not in a hurry it handles emails and watching KZread just fine.

I use Acer Aspire powered by Ryzen 2500u from 2019 and i just upgraded the main HDD into a M2 Sata ssd . It's still perform great and i still haven't upgrade the RAM yet ( 8gb DDR4 on dual channel)

i got that exact 2 in 1 Lenovo Yoga in the left. As with all of my PCs i wiped out Win and put Linux thinking that a convertible light machine for eBook reading and general media viewing mostly would suit me and honestly it did well... aside from the Ram, that's a serious limitation, even with 1 Gb of swap available. Looking into Convertible x86 Chromeooks to flash coreboot to and put linux on them instead (bcs hell, even 4Gb would make it better)

I avoided all this mess a few years ago by buying a tenth gen laptop with a 2070 GPU with a tax return. Expensive but it's going to last a good while with care. I did up the RAM from 16GB to 32GB. It also has an extra NVME slot.

i still have compac cq42 with ssd that i use as daily driver today. 😁

The expectation for unsuspecting general consumers is that online Marketplaces are more trustworthy than say second-hand on EBay - when those disposable laptops for inexpensive prices are just not suitable for today's online experience. But that is not really understood by people. You can sometimes find semi-recent laptops from computer recyclers if you live near one. Ex-corporate workstation laptops with the CPU families similar to what you put in your description and even 16gb of RAM as you indicate in your video. Anyway, great video.

I still remember ads "Two Cores, Two Gigs, Gaming Videocard" were real ads for used PCs and laptops since mid 2000s (when that made some sense with Core 2 Duo and 2GB or RAM being while not good, but still enough for Windows XP and Vista) but where I live something like this was still shown at like 2014, when 4GB RAM was still somewhat useable but already lacking.

Linux Mint is very intuitive. I gifted my elderly mother an HP Stream to use after her previous laptop stopped functioning. The specs were awful. Bad CPU paired with a 64GB SSD, and low RAM. Windows 11 ran super hot. When I gave her the laptop, she did not even notice that I had swapped the OS. It runs youtube and has basic office software included. Linux Mint also uses much less storage and RAM.

love the fact you have the X201, do you get any WiFi connection issues on it when its on battery? cause for me when i unplug my X201 from the wall after like 10 minutes the WiFi randomly starts disconnecting from the network and says "Connected, No Internet" and to fix it i have to disconnect from the network manually then reconnect, but even that only fixes it for like 5 or so minutes, and no this does not happen in linux, only windows..?

@alexturnbackthearmy1907

3 ай бұрын

Windows having a stroke about power mode of wi-fi card? Check you power settings on control panel, it may help.