Of course he had some bad ideas. After all, Plato was just an imperfect replication of the perfect philosopher.

@magnusrasmussen3178

5 жыл бұрын

HA! You are funny

@oriijin5639

5 жыл бұрын

*what?*

@aidoll3692

5 жыл бұрын

*applause*

@sofar2218

5 жыл бұрын

**nods in agreeing**

@ediearaneta1292

5 жыл бұрын

@@oriijin5639 cus he believed that the world we are living in is a bad replication of the perfect world, which the gods live

Imagine being Plato's voice actor and being hired by TED-Ed to a studio just to spend hours just saying "Ooooh" "Ooooooh" "Hmm" "Ohhh" into a microphone

@MrDead00

2 жыл бұрын

I was looking for this comment

@TokyobuckettsLive

2 жыл бұрын

Easy money

@anotherguy5038

2 жыл бұрын

m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZayrztatmNubl7Q.html

@urphakeandgey6308

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, it's more likely that they have a collection of "stock" vocal effects. Meaning the voice wasn't hired for Plato specifically.

@BobInGreek

Жыл бұрын

OOooooh

Diogenes: "Behold Plato's man!" holds up plucked chicken. Plato: "'Men', Diogenes. I see two of you..." Plato, the comeback king...

@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, he called it chicken 🐔 So... there was 3 Chickens 🐓 during this moment, 1 normal and 2 featherless

@silentoccasion4359

2 жыл бұрын

Wait for real?

@jeffcarroll1990shock

2 жыл бұрын

Diogenes: then go back to sleep, you're drunk.

@sabrinaszabo9355

Жыл бұрын

Literally started randomly reading it at the same time it was playing. Synchronicity

@sabrinaszabo9355

Жыл бұрын

Plato should know that the definition of ideal depends on the thinker’s perspective. The fact that he labels an ideal for all shows he might have been limited by dualistic thinking. He seems to grow from this but I could be wrong.

"Plato deliberately made those outright bad ideas just so to prove his point that he is an imperfect replication of a perfect philosopher"

@annexamv2776

2 жыл бұрын

Makes way more sense now.....

@JzCrIPtO

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! makes more sense now

@chanpenguin2634

8 ай бұрын

This comment is an imperfect replication of a perfect comment...

"BEHOLD, PLATO'S MAN!" awesome how centuries later that's still hilarious.

@ari3903

3 жыл бұрын

Behold moriartywalksfree's humor

@bucketlist3727

3 жыл бұрын

Out of context it sounds like meme

@dreamgalaxy7703

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/c5uosdJrcdKqj6w.html

@Ethan-cz8xq

2 жыл бұрын

If I were a philosophy professor, I'd have my students do that to a biology or paleontology class

@EmperorDxD

2 жыл бұрын

That isn't even the worst of it he and Plato argued alot witch Plato lost after all Plato cater to the wealthy and Dio was just a chad

"Behold! Plato's man!" I was like "OOOOHHH!!!"

@sarahjangard5388

5 жыл бұрын

And his name is pronounced "play doh "

@bijeshshrestha2450

5 жыл бұрын

Badass

@interrexclamacion

5 жыл бұрын

Diogenes was that guy's name. Was a philosopher and cynic. He was homeless and didn't even wear clothes. He publicly did everything, a first is only possession was a bowl but when he saw a child drinking with his hands to threw it out.

@brycelahm1283

5 жыл бұрын

Destruction 100

@finnfinity9711

5 жыл бұрын

Diogenes was based af

*rubs my leg* Person:What are you doing? Me:I'm pregnant Person:Oh congrats

@coldwolfy3238

4 жыл бұрын

Stew-A-Rew loL

@alohahejahe___

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@theplastictootle4709

2 жыл бұрын

@Victor Aponte did u find out?

@coolfrog8777

2 жыл бұрын

@Victor Aponte 3:13 if you’re still struggling

@valhatan3907

2 жыл бұрын

I cannot stop laughing

I feel the animation doesn’t pay justice to the fact that Plato was absolutely jacked. Absolutely rippled.

@willymassey8273

Күн бұрын

Plato is a nickname meaning "Broad" in Greek, might as well call him "Swole"

"Behold! Plato's Man!" Apply cold water directly to burn. That is really going out of your way to make a point, I can tell Diogenes woke up angry, justifiably so I'd say. "I am not a chicken damn it!" I can hear him saying it now...

@CDexie

6 жыл бұрын

"Μα τον Άδη, όρνις ουκ ειμί!"

@god5620

5 жыл бұрын

naaaa, that guy lived in a barrol

@parkerjeans5777

5 жыл бұрын

He actually said Socrates as a man

@curlytoes22

5 жыл бұрын

Well Diogenes thought we should all live like dogs - maybe he just thought Plato picked the wrong animal

@commmander64

5 жыл бұрын

@@curlytoes22 Honestly Diogenes might've meant 'well we are basically act like dogs so i guess that is the standard.'

Ah Diogenes... The only person who could perfectly refute Plato so succinctly. _Deface the coinage!_

@Marques2000

6 жыл бұрын

Jinx Mangrove I gotta tell you we don't come from birds. Birds and mammals came from reptiles but in separate ways, in fact, birds are the nearest descendant from dinosaurs.

@LKVideoFun

6 жыл бұрын

Wow

@acezombies2396

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Sam O'nella 🤔

@user-lg2xy2mz6z

6 жыл бұрын

The Cynical Historian ...In filosophi everything is right and everything is wrong...

@metatron4890

6 жыл бұрын

Deface the political currency rather than actual coins you mean!

I've still yet to find a better rivalry than Plato and Diogenes. Their battles are epic

I'm disappointed no one in the comments pointed out that his beard in the thumbnail looks like teeth

@user-sb8ks1ij7b

3 жыл бұрын

Now I can't unsee it

@azraaydn737

3 жыл бұрын

How do i unsee it now

@Blade_Of_Heaven

3 жыл бұрын

Where did I place my undo potion...

@sushinosaurusrex5264

3 жыл бұрын

i'm disappointed you didn't point out that his hair in the thumbnail looks like a chameleon

@Brinta3

Жыл бұрын

I’m disappointed nobody in the comments has pointed out that he walked like an Egyptian.

After Diogenes' incident with the chicken, Plato then added the criteria "with broad, flat nails" to his definition of man

@Ashish-fm1rp

5 жыл бұрын

* bursts into your home with a pangolin in my hand * *Behold, Plato's man*

@legendarytat8278

3 жыл бұрын

Plato: [edit comment]

@inceleni

3 жыл бұрын

I SCREAMED THEY REALLY BREAK THAT POOR MAN'S HEART DIDN'T THEY

Diogenes: history's first and greatest troll. One time, Alexander the Great came to visit Diogenes and found him relaxing in the sun. Alexander asked Diogenes if there was anything he wanted from him; Diogenes said he just wanted Alexander to move so he wasn't blocking the sun. Imagine that for a second: the most powerful man in the known world comes up to you and offers a favor and you reply, "Yeah, could you move a little to the right? I'm trying to work on my tan."

@choutzuyu8915

5 жыл бұрын

Omg xD

@jasonsmith8802

5 жыл бұрын

I too saw that Sam O'Nella video

@mrbateman360

4 жыл бұрын

you thought I would respect you BUT IT WAS ME DIOGENES

@BernieYoda

4 жыл бұрын

MrClickity I am familiar with that story

@yellowbreeze3201

4 жыл бұрын

Mr. Squid that Jojo reference I-

I feel like the whole "featherless biped" thing could be interpreted symbolically. One of humanity's most distinctive features is our freedom of choice, that we can choose to become more (or less) than our base instincts dictate. Traditionally, freedom is associated with birds due to their ability of flight, and they were considered closer to the heavens where the gods resided. In that case, it's possible humans are featherless bipeds not in the literal sense, but in the idea that we can come close to the heavens, but not ever truly reach it.

@celestialhylos7028

2 жыл бұрын

at least, we are Talkey-Monkeys now

@joecarvalho5576

Жыл бұрын

i think he j didnt know ab kangaroos brah

@kokokoka1131

9 ай бұрын

Also every Greek god had their bird or bird form.Zeus with his eagle and swan transformation,Athena with her owl and overall wings were considered godly gifts.Also Plato setted unintentionally a evolution story in motion.Tbh he was at certain point right,there was a same ancestor to birds and mammals

Fun fact: Plato (Πλάτων) means Broad in Greek, refering to his broad shoulders and wide back, as he was a Beastly weightlifter as well.

@pauliusp6215

21 күн бұрын

He also used to flex in some of his philosophical debates for an argument.

Theoretically there must be a perfect comment for every video.

@atiflz

7 жыл бұрын

But you will never find it on KZread.

@markhutson3265

6 жыл бұрын

"First" It's clear, succinct, informative and irrefutable.

@TheGoldennach

5 жыл бұрын

Theoretically XD

@thomascocks9136

5 жыл бұрын

Perfect for what ends?

@Phelan666

5 жыл бұрын

Justin Y. discovered the perfect comment years ago. He has been withholding it from mankind to maintain his superiority over The Algorithm.

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@aydenkael358

7 жыл бұрын

boo

@lucidanebulae7706

7 жыл бұрын

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@Prim3Pursuits

7 жыл бұрын

haha! :P

@user-lp3oz9dx5c

7 жыл бұрын

League Amino Acid 😆

@qaedtgh2091

7 жыл бұрын

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I loved the "glitch in the matrix" part.

I laugh so hard at the pluck chicken lol 😂 “behold! Plato’s man!” So funny

plato in spanish means plate

@zannettos

7 жыл бұрын

plata o plomo! - Pablo Escobar Narcos 2015

@Psykoged

7 жыл бұрын

Plato means broad in ancient Greek

@qaedtgh2091

7 жыл бұрын

playa in spanish means beach

@Psykoged

7 жыл бұрын

Playa in American slang means a man who has several romantic and/or sexual relationships at the same time.

@3gatoss

7 жыл бұрын

David Jolly no its plato. Plato translated to english from spanish is plate. I should know, im spanish myself.

I feel sorry for that chicken.

@dromeus21

4 жыл бұрын

After Diogenes left his house, he ate the poor chicken with some fava beans and a glass of wine

@blabla-rg7ky

4 жыл бұрын

you don't need to. It's long gone, it feels no pain anymore

@Dumebi7278

3 жыл бұрын

*man

@amaliasilva7518

3 жыл бұрын

@@dromeus21 I've just realized i ate my Tía Huesillo for lunch today.

@zawsrdtygbhjimokpl6998

3 жыл бұрын

@@blabla-rg7ky technically you don't need to do anything under any circumstances

"Floating around the world of forms was the ideal youtube channel" I think ted-ed is trying to tell us something.

This is like the most cliff notes high school overview of Plato's work ever... There is nothing overtly wrong but it's like saying Lord of the Rings is about two little people who go on a long walk... It's not wrong but it's so reductive it might as well be

@glideo

2 жыл бұрын

Would you be willing to go into further detail?

@KB-gd3gg

2 жыл бұрын

@@glideo The biggest issues are when it begins to talk about Plato's Republic. It misses what the point of the Republic was and then takes certain aspects of it literally. The Noble Lie, the three classes of citizens, souls of gold, silver or bronze, etc. are all aspects of "The City in Speech" in the Republic, but Plato was not trying to craft a utopia, they were trying To understand what justice is in the individual using a hypothetical city to represent different parts of the individual soul. To state that Plato believed in the Noble Lie or in the Philosopher King is a huuuge leap (and I'd argue is even the opposite of his point). So to say "these were Plato's bad ideas" means they didn't understand the point of the work at all because Plato was not arguing in favor of those ideas. They are conceptual tools to prove an entirely different point. Further, it's difficult to say anything was "what Plato said" because he wrote only in dialogues which he purposefully never appeared, so that he could distance himself from some of his ideas following the execution of Socrates. I could go on and on with other points but if your interested check out Allan Bloom. He's written some brilliant analysis of Plato.

@guywhochangeshisprofilealo7163

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, it’s obvious that this video is not aimed for the 5 million iq big brain people.

@letsomethingshine

2 жыл бұрын

@@KB-gd3gg So what IS that entirely different point? That the Republic (of castes/classes, lies, and thoughtful rulers) should not be favored and is not closer to the Ideal Form of a society (in his rich boy view)? It seems that, much like Plato himself in your description, you are just muddying the water with further obscurities. What you seem to be trying to say is that the Republic is not about "what would be good" but about "what just is true if a government/society is a person." I disagree that the Republic is "just what is true." I very much doubt Plato even took a statistical survey of his local population, let alone tried to convey anything beyond "give me money, I might be supporting your ideas too who knows." I will check out Allan Bloom to get the abstract-psychoanalysis straight from the horses mouth (but hopefully not pay the horse just for seeking sly attention). ... Conclusion: The Republic is NOT satire. Norman's incorrect translation and self-serving analysis is a Noble Lie. I seem to agree more with Norman Gulley's take on Allan Bloom's take.

@letsomethingshine

2 жыл бұрын

@@guywhochangeshisprofilealo7163 To be even more just, it's a 5 minute video about Plato's ACTUAL "The Republic" rather than Allan Bloom's rendition/translation of it based on whatever training in classical Arabic/Greek he thought he had. Allan Bloom might as well say that Plato was being satirical when "he said" man was a hairless biped animal and thus closer related to birds "In Ideal Form" (other bipeds, and by inferential extension "angels/gods" like Athena Nike).

As a philosophy student, i always appreciate videos about philosophy, too many people nowadays don't know much about it anymore.

@luvvsammy

Жыл бұрын

this is so late but i was wondering how i could get into philosophy. what books do you recommend?

@rodieinpamant

Жыл бұрын

@@luvvsammy With philosophy you can start anywhere. You can start with Plato, or Kant, it doesnt matter as long as you are having fun

@matthew...6349

Жыл бұрын

Do not start with Kant

@couch_philosoph3325

Жыл бұрын

@@matthew...6349 i second this. Do not start with kant. Better with like the stoics like epicctetus or marc aurel, plato or Aristotle. Or something contemporary that is more in oir language

@couch_philosoph3325

Жыл бұрын

@@luvvsammy sorry i only saw this comment now. I would very very much start with "what does this all mean? A very short introduction to philosophy" by thomas nagel. It is written for total beginners and is great to give a feel for different types of subjects and questions of philosophy. On top i think you can read it on like 3 hours and the pdf version is free somewhere if i remember correctly

*walks in with a featherless chicken* "BEHOLD, A MAN!"

@Hessonite_Dragon_Helen

3 жыл бұрын

Nah that’s just Larry, he walks around and eats... not much else, the bare minimum of living..... Yeah we didn’t hire him,

@porkoamy2001

Жыл бұрын

WHAT?!

I love the art so much. Its so funny and delivers the message perfectly

Love all your short and informative pro videos. Thanks

You should do this kind of video for Aristotle 'Some people are just naturally slaves.' Slow Clap for Aristotle...

@freesk8

7 жыл бұрын

Aristotle was so much better than Plato on the idea of individual liberty. Plato's Republic is a dictatorship. "If liberty and equality, as is thought by some are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in the government to the utmost." Aristotle

@nickpoull6502

7 жыл бұрын

(some people are just naturally slaves) was aristotle talking about the anunnaki that they created as for gold mining. just a theory who knows

@angelacazarez2568

7 жыл бұрын

Jinx Mangrove ,that makes a lot of sense,but in order to make a good philosophy,you have to make a few mistakes, not all can be a good one, 🙍

@chuckypeter2575

7 жыл бұрын

It is actually true, isn't it?Most of us are slaves to the system.Only a few think outside the system, while most of us merely need a reassurance that it's all OK.All religions exploit this sheep mentality.

@1293ST

7 жыл бұрын

+Chucky peter This is why you're not meant to take everything literally. Nice comment man.

What I find more impressive is how Aristotle manages to get mentioned in pretty much all of my classes save English.

I interpret Plato's definition of humans as follows: The desire of any bird is to fly and go beyond. As any human might desire to go farther, achieve the skies, and think more deeply, but still finds limitations to such burning in its inner heart we can be compared to a bird without feathers to fly.

this video was so amazing keep up the good work

Without knowing it came from Plato, I've had the same idea about forms' all my life. I always feel like there's a perfect way to do something, and if you put in too much effort to achieve perfection it can drive you mad. Perfection always seems possible, yet always remains unattainable in this world.

I find the thought of Platonic forms to be a very comforting idea.

@aperson22222

7 жыл бұрын

Romano Coombs Platonic forms, not platonic friendships. Though I appreciate those too, I've had a few and they can be very rewarding.

@aperson22222

7 жыл бұрын

***** I prefer to think of it as a reminder that there's always room for improvement, that when you're presented with something upsetting you just need to remember that it doesn't have to be like that, and hold out hope for the better way that's out there somewhere.

Picturing Diogenes throwing that plucked chicken down in front of everyone is just hilarious. Did he catch and pluck the chicken himself prior or did he ask a chef for a spare one? 🤣

Really loved the animation for this one

Isn't it sad, Socrates?

@temptemp4174

7 жыл бұрын

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@astaloteczim897

7 жыл бұрын

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@borisbach8038

7 жыл бұрын

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@astaloteczim897

7 жыл бұрын

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@kyokyoniizukyo7171

7 жыл бұрын

...didn't he get his head chopped off by a king for being too forward in his thoughts?

I seem to recall Plato also thought all children should be seperated from their parents so that they would be more “malleable” for instruction, and that the parent just got in the way.

@paulstenberg3915

4 жыл бұрын

It's the best way for some orwelleian indoctrination tho

@merikijiya13

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Stenberg Call it “Adoption”

@oresama93

3 жыл бұрын

Some communists thought so too.

@waahaah861

3 жыл бұрын

Well no, this was only the rule set out for the Guardian class if I'm not mistaken.

@shawnd6485

3 жыл бұрын

So he's why Master Cheif exists

Plato does make people think weather it's about good thoughts or bad thoughts, he makes everyone think even today. That's what I got from this lesson.

To rectify some false information, Plato did not classify humans as birds. He instead just described them as featherless bipeds as at the time that was the best description of us there were no other known great apes at the time in Greece.

@ohivonmenisunuoya

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, he later changed it to "featherless bipeds with broad nails, or something like that"

@caesar2.042

2 жыл бұрын

@Jury but the majority of them say, that we have at least a common ancestor.

Why the "world of perfect forms" was a bad idea? Not at all. Take a circle for example. An idea of circle as a perfect form is perfectly round. But when you try to draw a circle and look at it under a microscope, you begin to realize that it's far from perfection with broken lines, dots and crevices that ink or pencil creates on paper or stick in the sand. So we cannot create a perfect circle in this reality, only in our minds.

@Phlebas

7 жыл бұрын

To be generous to Plato, we can interpret his "world of perfect forms" as a sort of objective mental model. In some ways, it seems to be very much like mathematics - it's a model that transcends biased cultural perceptions (eg., no matter what culture you come from, pi has the same value, Pythagoras' theorem holds true, and the square root of two can never be expressed as a fraction). Given that interpretation, you can make the claim that a perfect circle exists in that perfect world because a circle has a precise mathematical definition. But this sort of model breaks down when you try to describe concepts that can't really be objective. Plato suggests that there's such a thing as a "perfect tree", but that seems kind of silly to me. What species is this tree? How many branches does it have? What is the shape of its leaves? How tall is it? While you can use reason to describe the properties of a perfect circle (assuming dimensions aren't relevant), there's no conceivable way that you can use reason to describe a perfect tree. He also applies this to ethical concepts like justice. While we can certainly use reason to inform our views on justice, it doesn't seem like one can describe some form of objective justice using pure reason. Basically, what Plato is saying is that reason can tell us how the world ought to be in every little detail. Most modern philosophers would disagree.

@BionicKing

7 жыл бұрын

Everything Phlebas said is 100% on point, but I'd like to add that it's not just the forms of THINGS. It's the form of every concept, such as the form of equality. He also believed that every person's soul came from the realm of forms and that the only reason we know what a tree is or what equality is is because we saw it in the realm of forms before we were born. Also, this carries the implication that the realm of forms is a physical place that concurrently exists, at which point most contemporary thinkers would jump ship.

@CSSuser

7 жыл бұрын

+Phlebas Perfect tree has no species. Besides, what is a perfect shape? Isn't it subjective? For one it may be circle, for other elipse or something completely different. I don't think that perfectness of a tree lies in its looks.

@panama-canada

7 жыл бұрын

D r . Manhattan It's not about the best shape amongst other shapes. It's the perfect idea of a shape. Say, perfect circle. It can only exist in your mind. You cannot reproduce a perfect circle with today's tools. Because the lines will not be perfect. Same for square, triangle, or any other shape.

@CSSuser

7 жыл бұрын

Alex Povolotski Yeah but the guy said that "there's no conceivable way that you can use reason to describe a perfect tree." and i think that there is, and a perfect tree would be a tree with maximum *efficiency* in what tree does. That would determine number of branches, shape of leaves, and their positioning.

YES Wisecrack is the best.

@MrAntieMatter

7 жыл бұрын

Your profile picture looks familiar.

I yet still have to find an individual to talk about this type of things. Someone unique.

Aristole: im the smartest man in greece, Plato: *hold my ancient beer*

@goofysupporter6682

4 жыл бұрын

@FREEDOM OR DEATH tru

yo they forgot Kanye in that time line at da end, dawg

@Milton2k

7 жыл бұрын

Come again! You make no sense.

@johnnydavidsanchez3969

7 жыл бұрын

Milton2k sure I do. look, 40 likes. nyah.

@Milton2k

7 жыл бұрын

Heheheh, kk.

@DJNHmusic

7 жыл бұрын

Jaden Smith also. Blasphemy, I say.

@romanfox5368

7 жыл бұрын

Kanye is a moron and so are his fans. First black president called him a jackass. He is a Trump supporter though, so he's not all bad.

Wasn't it Socrates who came up with the idea of philosopher kings and the noble lie? I thought Plato just recorded it.

@connorsensenig4214

7 жыл бұрын

That1Guy Plato plagiarized several ideas from Socrates, and sadly, we can't fully know which ones are original and which ones were stolen.

@Bella-bn2lq

7 жыл бұрын

Socrates never wrote anything down, The Republic is set up as a discussion with socrates being used to espouse those ideas, but we don't know if that's what he really believed.

@ruf3327

7 жыл бұрын

You make him sound like a douchebag! Socrates never wrote anything down and he teached plato. It´s only natural he passed his ideas onto him.

@AwesomepianoTURTLES

7 жыл бұрын

Everything that are "Plato's ideas" are just things from his dialogues, which use *several* of his contemporary philosophers. We don't know exactly what his ideas were.

@briankenney9528

7 жыл бұрын

Alexandre Silva: taught. teached is not a word

Amazing graphics and content.

This one didn't have a intro music, but my brain still made me feel like I heard it....

I think the forms idea could be tweaked a little and make sense.

@laurenkil

7 жыл бұрын

How do you know for sure?

@edgarmanuelcambaza6459

7 жыл бұрын

It totally makes sense.

@PraveshKoirala

7 жыл бұрын

@EriolTolkien And you sir, are doing the same. You deny the idea without providing any evidence. Plato at least had the excuse of being born in 428 BC.

@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, the electron is the most spherical object in the Universe the perfect form!

@aka5

7 жыл бұрын

Is there an ideal form of the ideal forms theory?

How do you even get an idea like "A womb is an animal and can move on its own?" That's just creepy!

@masonhunter2748

3 жыл бұрын

The baby takes control

@unicornbarfingrainbows7599

3 жыл бұрын

My guess is he thought that the baby kicking meant they travel all over the place in their mother’s body

@racoon251

3 жыл бұрын

not that crazy back then i guess

@rajyavardhan9481

3 жыл бұрын

That way you might actually become pregnant in your face and that's creepy

@amazinggrace5692

3 жыл бұрын

“Wandering womb” was, unfortunately, a diagnosis applied to women for far longer than it should have been. I’m guessing some practitioners secretly wish it could still be used. 💕🐝

I like how TV is presented as an imperfect version on KZread (the ideal)

"Doctor, what's wrong with me?" "Your baby is in your left leg."

I think the theory of forms is quite a good one

@user-dx4rx3bt2l

7 жыл бұрын

There's no proof behind it though, and it implies that there's *one* right way of doing things. Also the theory only works with man-made things, concepts or things that have been observed and named by humans, so it wouldn't work with any kind of smart civilization that doesn't use the same concepts as us.

@per-axelskogsberg3861

7 жыл бұрын

Isabella Bornberg I agree, it is highly useful.

@ODiaboQueDisse

7 жыл бұрын

+w It also implies that you don't have to observe something to prove it, just thinking about it is enough.. So, not that great.

@Bruno-hd9qo

7 жыл бұрын

Isabella Bornberg Yeah the theory is good

@endrankluvsda4loko172

7 жыл бұрын

Eh, the senses are over rated for discovering truth.

why use the "s" (Σ) as an "e" (Ε) tho 😂

@arckocsog253

7 жыл бұрын

Idontknow WhoIam So we understand the titles.

@tomraptile804

7 жыл бұрын

So, if E were used, couldn't you understand them?

@Jkjoannaki

7 жыл бұрын

Arc Kocsog wtf 😂 E is Ε I don't see how this would be difficult for u to read 😂

@vasilikibk6759

7 жыл бұрын

Idontknow WhoIam because it looks like the way Greeks were writing E

@tomraptile804

7 жыл бұрын

Black Dog they didn't write E as a Σ

Actually, Plato's teacher introduced the concept of the noble lie as an alternative to democracy where he remarked that a ship cannot be handled by just anyone on deck who is popular by a vague factor, but a ship's captain should be experienced in the field, alike monarchy (The problem with this is quite obvious of course) But composition of metals and alloys is quite strange, metaphorical?

1:05 An ideal KZread channel? Pretty sure it exists, and I’m watching a video made by them right now.

"Behold, Plato's man" I died

As I was watching this, I was thinking of playdough.

Wisecrack made a Lesson for TED-Ed? awesome

The ideal KZread channel? We already know what that is- Ted Ed

I like the narrators voice in these vids very enchanting 😳💯

How can the ruling part be a bad idea? The rulers should be the people most capable for it, the ones that spend time thinking and considering every option, the ones with empathy... Like he meant that a philosopher was capable of that, and there will always be people with no brain or with no interest of doing anything for the rest.

@thisistotallymyrealname6948

7 жыл бұрын

I agree. What I think the speaker was doing though is using Plato's reasonable arguments to lead into his unreasonable ones.

@14s0cc3r14

7 жыл бұрын

Well, the basic idea he and Socrates came up with is that philosopher kings were the most fit to rule. They also considered themselves to be philosopher kings. Coincidence? I think not. In an ideal world it is best to have the best rulers, but how do we go about deciding that? Plato and Socrates believed they themselves would be the best rulers, and most other people assume they themselves would be the best rulers. It's all subjective

@chinemeremohaeri9100

7 жыл бұрын

now I believed that what he meant was wrong was the idea that a king should rule. any type of king, philosopher or not should be prohibited.

@freesk8

7 жыл бұрын

The problem is that power corrupts. Philosopher Kings may try to resist that temptation, but they will all succumb. This is what we learn from the Ring of Gyges, which is also used in Tolkein's the Lord of the Rings...

@hamstsorkxxor

7 жыл бұрын

I think GCP grey made a video on the nature of ruling recently. Watch that, it explains a lot of things.

2:12 This man is actually the greatest philosopher of all time.

@szilveszterforgo8776

4 жыл бұрын

Have you read any philosopher?

@afromans170

4 жыл бұрын

@@szilveszterforgo8776 Uh yes?

@szilveszterforgo8776

4 жыл бұрын

@@afromans170 Diogenes too?

@afromans170

4 жыл бұрын

@@szilveszterforgo8776 Well technically he didn't really write anything to read but yes I've read up on details on his life and on the philosophy of cynicism.

@mahfuzvx3967

3 жыл бұрын

@@szilveszterforgo8776 it's philosophy not philosopher.A philosopher is the person who creates a philosophy.

On top of everyone having bad ideas we have to remember we're going off of ancient writings that may have been misinterpreted or changed over the years

Learned new things about one of my favorite philosophers! Even the wisest will have ideas that may seem flawed. Just a matter of contemplation!

@anonymous2012s

7 жыл бұрын

Annarenef and those glasses doesnt make you and wiser or smarter, so contrary to your belief.

3:52 It seems extremely misleading to insinuate that propaganda is only used by dictators. Propaganda in the 20th and 21st century has been used by industry, advertising and politicians of every political sign.

@bottomtext

7 жыл бұрын

They never implied that though.

@jamilhneini1002

7 жыл бұрын

Kilgore Trout they still kinda use the same thing

@Phelan666

5 жыл бұрын

@@bottomtext They explicitly state it.

@michaelgoldsmith9359

5 жыл бұрын

But it is most used by dictators as they have the most wealth to use them and have the most adverse effect meaning if you had to pick one it would be a dictator as that’s what most associates with propaganda so he tries to get his point across rather than be a human dictionary

@weezact7

5 жыл бұрын

I think propaganda is, by definition, political. Otherwise it's marketing or advertisement. I'm not 100% sure on this, though.

I love this channels videos, if you can, please consider making a video, about socrates.

I’m gonna be honest, a lot of this one went over my head

I'm a little sad that the guy who hosts all those episodes on wisecrack didn't narrate this.

How about Socrates?? Teacher of Plato

@johnarbuckle2619

7 жыл бұрын

routse THIS !!!!

@eliaswewel3899

7 жыл бұрын

It is proven that Plato existed, but Socrates may or may not have been a myth. Its to unclear with him

@Jensaw101

7 жыл бұрын

Socrates never published anything, but was spoken about a lot by philosophers at the time. As far as I am aware, it's unclear whether he was a great teacher of philosophy, or a character used in stories to explain ideas.

@brucewayne-px4lv

7 жыл бұрын

wtf

@robinh9081

7 жыл бұрын

Dear Lord, I have been studying for years Greek philosophy and I'm pretty sure, Socrates was very real. What are you talking about?

you know... i actually kind of agree with plato's world of perfect forms, not as in an actual dimension with a literall perfect form of everything, but as in a concept inside your brain, like if you were going to make a table, you would create a perfect version of a table inside your head but when you finish building it the table will always be imperfect, even if you spend years perfecting the table one leg will always be a little bit shorter than the rest, maybe the polish will always be a little thicker on the left side of the table, no matter how utterly insignificant it is it will still always be imperfect, the only place where the perfect form of the table exists is in your mind.

The chicken part was awesome :)

It's definitely unfair to criticize Plato for ideas that we realized much later were horribly wrong. Just about everything his student Aristotle ever said was wrong too but he founded multiple fields of science. He literally wrote the book on Physics. It was called "Physiks". He also wrote the book on metaphysics, but that was untitled. It was the book he wrote before writing physiks. metaphysics literally means before physics. And yes, Plato did write a book suggesting that people like him should be dictators, but hey, the world's first large democracy, Athens, had just put his beloved teacher to death.

@MUNTraiano

7 жыл бұрын

after or beyond not before

@thomasr.jackson2940

7 жыл бұрын

I think that was somewhat the point of the video, to demonstrate how much we gained from Plato, even if we eventually dropped most of his stuff. I was actually a bit disappointed at the "good" and "bad" scale. Lots of pretty questionable stuff in the "good" column. Far from seeing it unfair to criticize, I thought that they were unnecessarily defending bad ideas that were still important. Thought that was perhaps not the way to demonstrate how foundational Plato was.

@Sam_on_YouTube

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree with you. I think I was unclear earlier. I think it is. unfair to criticize Plato and others for having ideas that are wrong. It doesn't diminish their brilliance. However, it is a common mistake to recognize the brilliance of people like Plato and therefore give weight to his ideas that they clearly do not deserve.

@A_B_1917

7 жыл бұрын

"wrong". I think that idea about philosophers as leaders isn't that bad, democracy is FAR from perfect. And if I'm not mistaken back then philosophers were pretty damn smart.

@thomasr.jackson2940

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Philosopher Kings is a seducing idea. But then it isn't realistic to expect a ruling class, even a "smart" ruling class to be any more unbiased, fair, or representative of its people. And it isn't even justified to believe that a ruling philosopher class will share the values of the people, or be stewards of their best interests. For that matter, what gives anyone the right to rule other people by force? Basically, philosopher kings sounds good to philosophers, and those who think like them. I prefer an educated electorate that has investment in the society, including property, and who can trust that their voices will be heard, and their rights and interests protected. They are free to listen to the philosopher class, or ignore them when they inevitably start talking out of their anus.

This combination of Wisecrack and TED-Ed is great.

I love the animation

Atleast he tried. Tried to give the deeds a face. He was the beginner so mistakes are obvious. why don’t we take good lessons and praise him for that. Nice video Wisecrack!! good job 👏🏽

I don’t think Plato said or thought that the womb travels or that we’re featherless birds. Pretty important topic to talk about without research.

Finally, I am within the first 50 viewers. I feel like part of the 1%

Stable video 👍

It would be good if you would do on his English criticism because that is also a very important topic. Anyhow great video, Thank you.

best and worst ideas for asian or other philosophers please, good series :)

About the society being divided into three large groups - producers, soldiers, and rulers -- that was just an observation of reality.

@dkalambokis78

6 жыл бұрын

Good observation of... a video

@timetochronicle

5 жыл бұрын

The problem with that kind of thinking is that it encourages castes & classes. As well as class & caste conflict.

@michaelgoldsmith9359

5 жыл бұрын

It a observation of Greece not reality that he tried to pass of as reality

@oliverrodriguez7470

5 жыл бұрын

Iris Trismegistus Castes and class exist though. It’s not like the narrator is lying. I don’t see how knowing this necessarily creates any conflict either, beyond mere resentment.

@rytisliaucys3444

5 жыл бұрын

I agree. It is completely true. For most of our modern history since the French revolution, various political ideas tried to deny the classification of people into various castes and classes, yet failed. Communism, that was supposed to be the pinnacle of equality and destruction of the system of classes, just ended up dividing the society into two classes instead of three and had created the possibility of moving to another class by selling your personal freedom and beliefs to the government (if you wanted to be anyone or anything in the Soviet Union, for example, you had to be the member of the Communist party. Then, the "party would take care of you". You'd be able to buy cars much faster and gain various other good that an ordinary citizen could not). In todays modern world, we still retain the class system despite democracy announcing everyone as equal. The truth is - we just are not. Have you not noticed that leadership is simply in peoples genes? That most leaders who seem to attract other people elicit a very specific appearance? That socially liked people are much more likely to be brown eyed? There is just so much more that we do not understand. But Pluto was right to an extent.

“Ideal KZread channel” 😆 I didn’t expect to see this in TED-Ed

Well done

There's some wrong and imprecise information here. Plato clearly stated that it's through dialectic that people discover truths not reason. Reason to him was in a lower status in the invisible intelligible world. It's all written in his divided line theory. And the official designation of "featherless bipeds" was created to try to come up with the safest critique-free definition of man to be used during a dialectical discourse. When Diogenes gave him his cynical response Plato replied by changing the designation to "featherless wingless bipeds". This channel didn't even bother to research well before uploading its content.

@celestialhylos7028

2 жыл бұрын

From a certain point of view

Why are both his eyes on the same side of his nose?

@sadplane6814

6 жыл бұрын

MarcellusTheGreen i know.. but this is sometimes ted ed's art style

@thebinlgbtisbabadook7832

5 жыл бұрын

Hahahaya

@Gadget-Walkmen

4 жыл бұрын

That's something you see often in 2-D Cartoons.

@GeaForce

3 жыл бұрын

Peppa Plato

His invention of that clay like substance Plato is pretty cool

3:12 didn't expect a balloon boy in a TED video

This seems like a terrible interpretation of Plato’s Republic. Some ideas don’t translate into a 4 min video. Don’t cram them in. It makes everyone dumber while they believe they are wiser.

@saraq64

5 жыл бұрын

Atleast they get a place to start.

@Phelan666

5 жыл бұрын

@@saraq64 Most people will treat this as a place to end.

@thebinlgbtisbabadook7832

5 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@masteradjuster9408

4 жыл бұрын

@@Phelan666 Then they don't belong in philosophy.

@merikijiya13

4 жыл бұрын

De la Rothfourcloud would probably disagree. Beside this will get people who are interested an easy step in the door so they can find points like the forms to continue their learning.

Diogenes also once told Alexander the Great to get out of his way, because he was blocking his light. Truly a mad lad.

2:05 Sam O Nella Academy have a more colorful illustration of this

i would love if you guys did a video on indian philosphers!!

WHERE DID THE INTRO MUSIC GO???????

When I heard Diogenes, I knew that something will go down

Please talk about thiruvalluvar the author of tirukural - the book translated in many world languages

Behind every "genius" is a imperfect man filled with failure and bad ideas, what made him great was that some of his ideas was genius.

3:15 And that's how the word 'hysteria' came into being....

I love you Plato. May your spirit live on forever.

@orxy5316

Жыл бұрын

Yes

These Animations are perfect.

Fantastic.