Plato's allegory of the ring - Alex Gendler

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More than 2,000 years ago, the Greek philosopher Plato recounted the legend of the Ring of Gyges in “Republic.” The story of the ring surfaces as the philosopher, Socrates, and his student discuss why people act justly: is it because it’s what’s right? Or because it’s a convention that’s enforced through punishment and reward? Alex Gendler shares the allegory of the ill-gotten, magical ring.
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  • @TEDEd
    @TEDEd Жыл бұрын

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  • @Albin09

    @Albin09

    Жыл бұрын

    Nice Animation👋

  • @aiworldvn

    @aiworldvn

    Жыл бұрын

    Interesting video! Can you give me your comment about my channel? Thank everyone

  • @SuiLover

    @SuiLover

    Жыл бұрын

    Speaking about myths and lessons from them, I'm hoping to see The Hanging Gardens of Babylon in this channel someday. If I'm not mistaken, to this day, its location's remains has yet to be found.

  • @kieranrollinson8750

    @kieranrollinson8750

    Жыл бұрын

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  • @taorbdhilxa5321

    @taorbdhilxa5321

    Жыл бұрын

    我是不是已经在全能宇宙之外了👏

  • @martineldritch
    @martineldritch Жыл бұрын

    Such a ring would never corrupt me. Ever. It is too powerful to squander. Too precious. My precious.

  • @immintyfresh

    @immintyfresh

    Жыл бұрын

    MY PRECIOUSSSSS *giggles in goblin*

  • @verlax8956

    @verlax8956

    Жыл бұрын

    ok

  • @Euclib

    @Euclib

    Жыл бұрын

    @@immintyfresh bruh said goblin

  • @GlamorousTitanic21

    @GlamorousTitanic21

    Жыл бұрын

    Your precious? It’s been called that before. But not by you.

  • @swide2750

    @swide2750

    Жыл бұрын

    no man can resist power. you’d have to a monster already to resist.

  • @ladylightning1741
    @ladylightning1741 Жыл бұрын

    Glaucon: I mean, who WOULDN'T immediately hatch a plan to seduce the queen and murder the king if they got a ring that made them invisible? Me: How oddly specific

  • @ryanhernandez8324

    @ryanhernandez8324

    Жыл бұрын

    Its an allegory for getting one second of power

  • @rayf1568

    @rayf1568

    Жыл бұрын

    You have something to tell the class Glaucon?

  • @kosherre6243

    @kosherre6243

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rayf1568 * looks down in mild shame *

  • @SwiftDustStorm

    @SwiftDustStorm

    Жыл бұрын

    it's an allegory representing benefit without consequence

  • @dirt_dert_durt

    @dirt_dert_durt

    Жыл бұрын

    Definitely something he thought up in the bathhouse. He was like "Dang that's good; I hope I get the opportunity to bring it up naturally with Socrates"

  • @DirtballJones
    @DirtballJones Жыл бұрын

    Plato clearly copied Tolkien

  • @lydianicolenorwick125

    @lydianicolenorwick125

    24 күн бұрын

    😂

  • @jubjubbird56

    @jubjubbird56

    23 күн бұрын

    Obviously

  • @ManliusTorquatus-ef7sz

    @ManliusTorquatus-ef7sz

    22 күн бұрын

    Your entire civilization is based on the bedrock that is my civilization

  • @ManliusTorquatus-ef7sz

    @ManliusTorquatus-ef7sz

    22 күн бұрын

    Greek culture reigns supreme

  • @jubjubbird56

    @jubjubbird56

    22 күн бұрын

    @@ManliusTorquatus-ef7sz heh?

  • @bernardoohigginsvevo2974
    @bernardoohigginsvevo2974 Жыл бұрын

    This allegory is actually based on a real story that happened in Ancient Ionia (Anatolian Greece), minus the magic ring of course. Gyges was the bodyguard of the Lydian king, Candaules, and the two were close friends. One day, Candaules decided to show off his wife, the queen, to Gyges. Gyges did not want to, but the king forced him to, so he hid behind a curtain and watched as the queen undressed. As he tried to escape, he was spotted by the queen, who gave him a choice. He could either kill Candaules and marry the queen to become the new king of Lydia, or he would be killed by the queen's other bodyguards. Gyges reluctantly chose the first option, and assassinated Candaules to become king himself. So, in this version, there are certainly similarities, but the king plays a much more sinister role, and he essentially dooms himself through his pride.

  • @solomonosazuva6472

    @solomonosazuva6472

    Жыл бұрын

    Wow! Ill read up on that!

  • @hqqphh

    @hqqphh

    11 ай бұрын

    The story of Gyges was documented by Greek historian Herodotus in his book “Histories”. Herodotus is considered the father of history.

  • @OrloxPhoenix

    @OrloxPhoenix

    11 ай бұрын

    @hqqphhw hat a lame and hard to google name for a book 😅 At least the name if the author is very unique tho

  • @klosnj11

    @klosnj11

    11 ай бұрын

    I am actually reading Heroditous' Histories right now. The whole lead up to the rise of the persians because of the greek king Croesus misinterpreting the Oracle...all so fascinating. I also love how he gives different contradicting accounts and explains why he thinks one is correct, but lets the reader decide for themselves. I wish more history was written like that.

  • @lyndislegion287

    @lyndislegion287

    11 ай бұрын

    ah so that's probably where candaulism comes from. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!

  • @52flyingbicycles
    @52flyingbicycles Жыл бұрын

    I think we’ve identified 4 types of fun 1) fun in the moment (eating cake) 2) onerous in the moment, but we enjoy the value it brings (exercise) 3) fun in the moment and it brings value (reading) 4) onerous in the moment and brings no value (league of legends)

  • @koko65a18

    @koko65a18

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks man... Guess u understood it well

  • @LecherousLizard

    @LecherousLizard

    Жыл бұрын

    What about 5) Maining Yasuo?

  • @iamgroot4553

    @iamgroot4553

    Жыл бұрын

    'league of legends' 💀

  • @Sanches7557

    @Sanches7557

    Жыл бұрын

    @@LecherousLizard no fun at all and no value received? XD

  • @LecherousLizard

    @LecherousLizard

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Sanches7557 The type of fun a person who'd enjoy skinning a puppy would have.

  • @Gebohq
    @Gebohq Жыл бұрын

    I believe, at least in some ways, that as using the internet allows us some anonymity, we see how we act with our own limited invisibility rings.

  • @thaikeaugusto4356

    @thaikeaugusto4356

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes!!!

  • @alaskawashington

    @alaskawashington

    Жыл бұрын

    so true

  • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149

    @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149

    Жыл бұрын

    Indeed! And most interesting it is. Some, shrouded by anonymity act unjustly no doubt. Some even do so with _no_ tangible external benefit! Others very much do not, even when it offers no external benefit to themselves. To me, it all seems reliant on the person's strength of character.

  • @dashiellgillingham4579

    @dashiellgillingham4579

    Жыл бұрын

    And the tremendous rise of injustice since the internet’s development is an excellent example of Plato’s Socrates being wrong.

  • @xandercorp6175

    @xandercorp6175

    Жыл бұрын

    Not just see our behaviour under such conditions, but ponder and reason about it, and improve it over time if we have sufficient will.

  • @user-tw3zd6im9l
    @user-tw3zd6im9l3 ай бұрын

    Everybody comments on how well executed the animation and narration are and, while I agree, I think the background music deserves some recognition, too -- it's so beautiful and fitting!

  • @itsgonnabeanaurfromme

    @itsgonnabeanaurfromme

    3 күн бұрын

    If background music was noticeable, then it failed at its job.

  • @bawbsmith

    @bawbsmith

    Күн бұрын

    @@itsgonnabeanaurfrommeWhat kind of idiocy is this

  • @chesterbless9441
    @chesterbless9441 Жыл бұрын

    Sounds like Plato was a Tolkien fan

  • @1337w0n

    @1337w0n

    22 күн бұрын

    And a Freudian psychologist.

  • @yYSilverFoxYy

    @yYSilverFoxYy

    20 күн бұрын

    HE WAS A TIME TRAVELER!

  • @iasimov5960

    @iasimov5960

    8 сағат бұрын

    Or a Wagner fan.

  • @EvonixTheGreatest
    @EvonixTheGreatest Жыл бұрын

    Huh, I had never gotten why the superficial power of the One Ring was invisibility before. The idea of escaping the consequences and judgement for your actions, letting you act freely on your desires really ties into it's whole theme.

  • @jacobfreeman5444

    @jacobfreeman5444

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, the base idea is likely ancient. But the One Ring never made anyone invisible. It allowed them access to the realm of spirits. Which by extension hide the wearer from view in the physical sense. But in the spiritual they shone like a beacon. This is why Frodo putting on the Ring in front of the Nazgul only made both parties stand out to each other. And why wearing the Ring was enough to make it possible for Sauron to find you. Sauron was using his own powers to locate the Ring so any sudden and new beacon in the spirit realm was sure to be a Ring bearer and thus be the focus of his attention.

  • @gustoguy6238

    @gustoguy6238

    Жыл бұрын

    And since the ring has its own “will”, it can never be used for good, since it corrupts. Bombadil seems to be the only exception, but I don’t know much about the character.

  • @llamarama6976

    @llamarama6976

    Жыл бұрын

    Ive also heard that the power the one ring can actually provide also depends on how powerful you were before hand. Thats why it was entrusted to a hobbit rather than gandalf who wouldnt dare take it himself. Because in gandalfs hands he could level continents and bring the world to its knees.

  • @GlaurungTheGreat

    @GlaurungTheGreat

    Жыл бұрын

    @@gustoguy6238 You are correct. Even Bombadil couldn't use the ring for good: he was simply unaffected by it. Wise characters like Gandalf and Elrond assure us that the ring can never be used for good, with the only counterargument coming from rather less reliable sources, like Boromir.

  • @TheBoldImperator

    @TheBoldImperator

    Жыл бұрын

    Note that invisibility was the only power of the One Ring before it was properly written as the One Ring (e.g. in the unrevised Hobbit). Invisibility rings have been a common fixture of fantasy since Plato so it is likely that Tolkien was simply borrowing from an existing tradition rather than making a direct call back to the Ring of Gyges.

  • @omernavaid4712
    @omernavaid4712 Жыл бұрын

    I like how at 4:05 the chariot dominated by Reason just says 'Reason', but the chariot dominated by Appetite says 'Treason'. It's just a nice touch

  • @thaikeaugusto4356

    @thaikeaugusto4356

    Жыл бұрын

    Well seen! Nice!

  • @omernavaid4712

    @omernavaid4712

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thaikeaugusto4356 thanks my man

  • @sumdumbmick

    @sumdumbmick

    Жыл бұрын

    that leaded gasoline back in the day hit you hard, didn't it?

  • @omernavaid4712

    @omernavaid4712

    Жыл бұрын

    @@sumdumbmick not sure i understand but yes, perhaps

  • @scienceme9794

    @scienceme9794

    Жыл бұрын

    It's Treason, then

  • @devinweathersby3668
    @devinweathersby3668 Жыл бұрын

    As someone who has actually struggled with addiction and understands the power behind the quote: "I can resist everything except temptation." -Oscar Wilde. I firmly am under the opinion that many fail, if not all fail this test like Frodo. But like Frodo, the strongest bearers of strength of character will inevitably redeem themselves and their integrity. Facing the darkness alone and without aid is all too maddening but the strongest carry it farther. When the former addict says, "I don't drink." It is a bound promise to hold oneself to a standard of integrity and fight to become better. It is a struggle but god has life never carried on so much better than forgoing addiction. One day it importance fades but the meaning is eternal.

  • @noirekuroraigami2270

    @noirekuroraigami2270

    Жыл бұрын

    Ummm Frodo totally succumbs to the ring. Its Golem who ultimately destroys the ring. Also a good portion of the burden had to be carried by Sam at the end. im not saying that your thought isn't good, im just saying that maybe you should probably read the story

  • @maxgosselin62
    @maxgosselin62 Жыл бұрын

    First, I think it's actually super cool that the one ring was based of an ancient Greek philosophical anecdote, and second, I think it's kind of both the second and third type of good thing under different circumstances. Doing nice things often feels nice in addition to contributing to a social good that you reap benefits from indirectly, but being a good person ISN'T always that easy. Sometimes it's downright painful, and doing the wrong thing is the more immediately gratifying course of action (assuming you don't have a strong immediate sense of guilt that's intense enough to override the immediate gratification of being bad. Which is definitely the case for a lot of people under certain circumstances). I don't think it's necessarily incorrect to say that people avoid doing bad things to avoid long term consequences, even if there's no long term consequences coming from an external source. When you don't exercise, you don't feel bad immediately, but you might start feeling more sluggish and unhealthy as time goes on. There's nobody coming in and doing that to you, its just your body reacting to you not taking care of it. Similarly, that disarray of the soul Socrates talks about isn't an immediate pain that spurs people to good behavior, it's just the spiritual equivalent of having an unhealthy body, which can cause misery in more subtle ways that are harder to pin down.

  • @rafexrafexowski4754

    @rafexrafexowski4754

    11 ай бұрын

    Correction: Tolkien based the One Ring off of a Germanic story of "Der Ring des Nibelungen", as he took a lot from Germanic, especially Anglo-Saxon culture. Said story was the one inspired by the ring of Gyges, although Tolkien probably read Plato's "Republic" and knew the original story anyway.

  • @GScottActing

    @GScottActing

    11 ай бұрын

    Plenty of people do bad things because it benefits them with no fear of consequences. Plenty of people do good things that doesn't immediately benefit them out of empathy. I don't think it's as simple as a single equation for everyone.

  • @nietzschesghost8529
    @nietzschesghost8529 Жыл бұрын

    Socrates makes an interesting move by placing the bad consequences of acting unjustly in the "soul" rather than externally, since clearly the unjust often benefit externally. And though it's not true in all cases, it does seem to often be the case that the unjust person struggles with inner peace. It's hard to think of a dictator who was ever truly happy.

  • @user-eh1gc7xo7q

    @user-eh1gc7xo7q

    Жыл бұрын

    But happiness is subjective. A dictator may not think their soul unjust at all. After all, wasn’t Stalin or Mussolini convinced of their own enlightenment?

  • @Riyoshi000

    @Riyoshi000

    Жыл бұрын

    @@user-eh1gc7xo7q they all are, including your president or pm

  • @akshaytiwari4994

    @akshaytiwari4994

    Жыл бұрын

    @@user-eh1gc7xo7q Agreed, it is subjective and hence any deductions made about "bad" deeds and people somewhat lack an understanding of the person's inner self, which of course is always hard to ascertain.

  • @user-eh1gc7xo7q

    @user-eh1gc7xo7q

    Жыл бұрын

    @@akshaytiwari4994 To build upon that, I’d argue it’s impossible for the individual themselves to ascertain an understanding on their inner self. It oscillates frequently

  • @akshaytiwari4994

    @akshaytiwari4994

    Жыл бұрын

    @@user-eh1gc7xo7q Yes and hence any and all manner of debates about ethics circles back on itself. This problem of assuming our truths to be universal truths also distorts many principles in psychology.

  • @luxuryhub1323
    @luxuryhub1323 Жыл бұрын

    I was hooked from Galadriel's opening line: "Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and lookaround once in a while, you could miss it". I'm shaking with anticipation. Not even Tolkien could envision such a majestic quest to the distant lands of downtown Chicago.

  • @aiworldvn

    @aiworldvn

    Жыл бұрын

    Interesting video! Can you give me your comment about my channel? Thank everyone

  • @greenmustard493

    @greenmustard493

    Жыл бұрын

    Lmao

  • @BelcarrigFarm

    @BelcarrigFarm

    Жыл бұрын

    Galadriel Bueller's day off

  • @seriousnesstv7902

    @seriousnesstv7902

    Жыл бұрын

    My favorite part is when Legolas says “Middle Earth is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna get” simply magnificent writing there.

  • @sammcdermott4270

    @sammcdermott4270

    Жыл бұрын

    Goated movie

  • @spiderplant
    @spiderplant Жыл бұрын

    Too bad they didn't know about shopping cart returns back then. Would have solved everything they debated.

  • @Arbidarb

    @Arbidarb

    21 күн бұрын

    Except that I always return the cart, but know that I am doing it for myself rather than others.

  • @thegatorhator6822

    @thegatorhator6822

    20 күн бұрын

    It's funny. I always had VERY strong negative feelings towards people not returning them long before I saw the memes online.

  • @MediumHeatJazz
    @MediumHeatJazz9 ай бұрын

    An important note about the ring of gyges. It doesn't merely grant a person invisibility, but rather grants the wearer the ability to achieve their own desires. For Geyges it did this by giving him the power of invisibility allowing him to seduce the queen and take over the kingdom.

  • @eleksitia

    @eleksitia

    9 ай бұрын

    oh gosh....

  • @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

    @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

    3 ай бұрын

    The power to escape the consequences is the best way to describe the power of concealment after all.

  • @MediumHeatJazz

    @MediumHeatJazz

    3 ай бұрын

    @@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx Very true and great description.

  • @RENEG4DE4NGEL

    @RENEG4DE4NGEL

    5 күн бұрын

    Am I the only one who doesn't understand how to seduce women by becoming invisible? Is that a thing they really like? 😅

  • @7eventh
    @7eventh Жыл бұрын

    “Sometimes when I consider what tremendous consequences come from little things, I am tempted to think... there are no little things." - Bruce Barton

  • @Zeiru

    @Zeiru

    Жыл бұрын

    Reminds me of a similar saying. "They say 'don't sweat the small stuff' but that's all life is; a series of small stuff."

  • @cyruahawkins5289

    @cyruahawkins5289

    11 ай бұрын

    I can't think of the saying but I swear there's one like "little things create a big thing" Like doing a small thing a lot makes it no longer a little thing.

  • @thinginground5179

    @thinginground5179

    11 ай бұрын

    @@cyruahawkins5289 thats just obvious

  • @tjwoosta
    @tjwoosta Жыл бұрын

    I didn't understand it when I was young, but it definitely is in your best interest to maintain your integrity and moral standing in this world, with or without rules or people enforcing them. Even if nobody else ever hears about what you do it will always be there in the back of your mind undermining your self esteem. Every little insignificant impropriety accumulates and impacts everything you say or do, but like a frog in hot water you won't notice until its too late.

  • @kieranrollinson8750

    @kieranrollinson8750

    Жыл бұрын

    .......ULTIMATE................ PPOOOOOWWWWEEEEERRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D

  • @TheOmegaXicor

    @TheOmegaXicor

    Жыл бұрын

    Good point but the frog thing is a myth

  • @scambammer6102

    @scambammer6102

    Жыл бұрын

    humans are very good at rationalizing our deeds and motives. rarely does anyone ever admit, to himself or others, that he has done anything wrong, even if he has.

  • @NickRoman

    @NickRoman

    Жыл бұрын

    @@scambammer6102 , I have definitely done wrong things, though nothing major. Nevertheless, it seems like there will always be someone in the world who would judge just about anything we think or say or do as wrong. So, how could we even judge what is right or wrong if not from our own subjective experience?

  • @bobbyburgle4536

    @bobbyburgle4536

    Жыл бұрын

    Humans are social animals. Our survival depended on how well we cooperated with those in our community. It's in our nature to be kind and helpful. That is not to say we can be cruel but to say that is all we are is just lies by those who think they now better. If you don't need a God then you don't need a ruler to know what's right or wrong.

  • @frogyafro
    @frogyafro Жыл бұрын

    The animation is on another level, so clean and simple and its so effective.

  • @drishthesquish
    @drishthesquish8 ай бұрын

    Just have to say that this was very well animated. Each scene held a lot of information while remaining easy to digest. Not easy to pull off! Well narrated too!

  • @nobodyimportant4778
    @nobodyimportant4778 Жыл бұрын

    The various philosophers' interpretation of justice is more revealing of themselves than of the world at large. Some of them would have no reason to act justly if there was no punishment, some enjoy being kind for the sake of it, and some have an idealistic perception of themselves as just which they have to uphold. Each believes every other human is motivated by the same things as them. Ironically as a whole, i think all their accounts combined work amazingly well to depict that individuals have vastly different survival strategies, and that justice is a blanket attempt to keep them all in check.

  • @anoukfleur2513

    @anoukfleur2513

    11 ай бұрын

    That’s actually a really good philosophical insight. I wonder what category it would fall under if this piece of ‘meta-philosophy’ was added to the collection? Would it also be moral philosophy, and if that’s the case, would your theory be considered by itself?

  • @padarousou

    @padarousou

    10 ай бұрын

    Well justice can be objectively definined, people can have personal opinions about it but justice is not subject to interpretation. We are all predisposed to exhibit animalistic behaviors which punishments help to subdue. Humans are fundamentally motivated by the same things, see Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs for example. People are vastly different and that is more true for humans than of any single species on earth. "Justice" is a check initself because it holds people accountable to a certain standard and can't be seen as a "blanket attempt" for anything because it's very nature is at the heart of human interaction.

  • @yourmum69_420

    @yourmum69_420

    9 ай бұрын

    best take in the comment section and video combined. I totally agree

  • @cakeyeater7392

    @cakeyeater7392

    7 ай бұрын

    ​@@padarousou some people seek justice as a way of righting the wrongs of the world. In that sense, justice is not a punishment except for those that *want* to wrong others. For people who's personal motivations have them helping others, justice is seen as something to aspire to. They not only recognize the value of justice, but they enjoy pursuing it. Many people do not feel a strong pull to act on harmful "animalistic" desires

  • @padarousou

    @padarousou

    7 ай бұрын

    @@cakeyeater7392 Justice is a means to stabilize civilization by the inhibition of "wrongdoing" by people to maintain harmony for the greater good. To be a human is to accept these confines of society, and we understand this so intrinsically that it is basically baked into our DNA. With that said, we are still animals, and our instincts aren't so refined so as to make us as tame as robots. Which is to say- no matter how good a person you are, you still have primal instincts just as sure as you have a beating heart. Therefore it is the role of society to provide opportunity for our instincts to sublimate and manifest, while justice serves as a check to make sure it doesn't get out of hand.

  • @rebelrevs151
    @rebelrevs151 Жыл бұрын

    TED-ED is such a wonderful platform to learn about different things, with all their animation and everything its just difficult concept made easy to learn and understand.

  • @aiworldvn

    @aiworldvn

    Жыл бұрын

    Interesting video! Can you give me your comment about my channel? Thank everyone

  • @kieranrollinson8750

    @kieranrollinson8750

    Жыл бұрын

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  • @andaction.agency

    @andaction.agency

    Жыл бұрын

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  • @bradmitchell5217
    @bradmitchell521711 ай бұрын

    I like how the giant must have died invisibly. Hiding his himself from the world. Kind of interesting part of the story which you wish you could know more about!

  • @getriebenesauge9683
    @getriebenesauge968321 күн бұрын

    Putting the numbers on doric, ionic and korinthean pedestals IN THAT ORDER warms my heart.

  • @ferociousmaliciousghost
    @ferociousmaliciousghost Жыл бұрын

    I'd say they are both right. Some people are good for the sake of being good while others do it because being good gives you benefits. Being good for the sake of being good can make someone happy while being good for the sake of benefits allows you to work with people to further your own goals.

  • @gaylussac6156

    @gaylussac6156

    Жыл бұрын

    Isn’t being happy a benefit of being good though? That would mean people only do good for a benefit, whether it’s tangible or not. Perceived benefit.

  • @banerjeehome5913

    @banerjeehome5913

    Жыл бұрын

    @@gaylussac6156 But Socrates never said some people are good just for the sake of being good. He said they're good for both reasons together. So it's actually Socrates alone who is right.

  • @Normal_user_coniven

    @Normal_user_coniven

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't think it possible to be both right. However, I think that they are both wrong. They said true facts, but they made wrong conclusions put of that. Using true facts does't necessary means you reached a true conclusion. You should be aware and awake for that point.

  • @astronauteer1215

    @astronauteer1215

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Normal_user_coniven you should dig deeper in philosophy before you can even say they're both wrong. Or comprehend it a little more to realize something about the topic until you can't and just give up...

  • @quietguyjosh4643

    @quietguyjosh4643

    Жыл бұрын

    being good for the sake of benefits is how i used to operate but it didn't keep me out of trouble and it caused me too much internal conflict now i just try to be good for the sake of being good and i feel so much better but it means i don't like working for others now but i help out more

  • @kushkarki5039
    @kushkarki5039 Жыл бұрын

    I like how when breaking down Glaucons reasons they use the three styles of Greek columns, that’s a great touch

  • @hanludoyle
    @hanludoyle8 ай бұрын

    The Illustration / animation for this is simply marvelous.

  • @vbywrde
    @vbywrde Жыл бұрын

    Interesting. There is also mentioned in The Prose Edda a ring by the name of Draupnir, "a gold ring possessed by the god Odin with the ability to multiply itself: Every ninth night, eight new rings 'drip' from Draupnir, each one of the same size and weight as the original." This too is an ancient myth. Which came first, however, the ring of Gyges, or the ring of Odin is difficult to say because the Viking mythos come ancient times, somewhere around 800 AD, and are likely far older... There is also the magic ring in the Nibelungenlied, which was enchanted to grant one power over the whole world. But one thing seems certain... Tolkien was likely influenced by Draupnir and the ring of the Nibelungenlied , and the One Ring is a reflection of it, and quite possibly a fusion of the three rings, Draupnir, the Ring of Power, and Gyges.

  • @snowfoxxie
    @snowfoxxie Жыл бұрын

    The fact the giant died.. I wonder if that has significance in the story. You can have all the power- but not escape our inevitable end, even in Harry Potter the one with the invisibility cloak found death in the end. Frodo also boarded a boat at the end of the book of lord of the rings-suggesting he “leaves this world”/kind of has a death that actually isn’t one or is left open.

  • @CamerHD

    @CamerHD

    Жыл бұрын

    Frodo sails west with the Elves which I think means he will live with them forever

  • @aminulhussain2277

    @aminulhussain2277

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CamerHD Hobbits have a finite lifespan and will inevitably pass on into the afterlife.

  • @TheOmegaXicor

    @TheOmegaXicor

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CamerHD yea, everyone that went west sailed to just outside of the undying lands but only Gandalf and the Elves set foot upon it, the Hobbits and Gimli where able to look upon it but were buried on a small island just off the coast.

  • @nekoyin8040

    @nekoyin8040

    Жыл бұрын

    it reminds me of the myth that people who die and go to the underworld will have to cross a river by boat to truly get inside

  • @Aereto

    @Aereto

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CamerHD Frodo went with the Elves, particularly some of his wounds have lasting effects that need to be tended to for the rest of his life.

  • @DaimonAnimations
    @DaimonAnimations Жыл бұрын

    I do agree with Plato. I had a certain experience where I did something and I went free of punishment but inside me it was eating me alive my own guilt which made me not to abuse what I did before it made me think of the people that got hurt from such action and instead of feeling powerful, it made me feel rotten inside. I tried to correct my error and didn't abuse that power again and it somehow I felt better with myself, my own person felt less rotten so to me I prefer to stay on the side of Justice even if I don't get a reward for it.

  • @TheGregamonster

    @TheGregamonster

    Жыл бұрын

    Devil's advocate, but I suspect Glaucon would argue that you only felt guilty because you know you would have been punished if it had come to light. You know that you've avoided the natural order of things, and that causes anxiety. Someone who hadn't been taught that it was wrong, and had that teaching reinforced with consistent punishment may not feel guilty about doing it.

  • @DaimonAnimations

    @DaimonAnimations

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TheGregamonster No, I just felt that I wouldn't have like if that would have happened to me, I put myself in the shoes of that person and that made me feel bad for that person so much that it made me regret my actions.

  • @pravkdey

    @pravkdey

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DaimonAnimations that's my main motivation too. If I think everyone should act this way I must too. Even if I get burned for it I can still have that righteous unapologetic pride that I stood by my morals

  • @matthewbadger8685

    @matthewbadger8685

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TheGregamonster If somebody's core values prioritize the wellbeing of others, actions that harm to the wellbeing of others will contradict their core values and mean that they are failing to live their life truly successfully, making them feel sad and unfulfilled. So in this case Glaucan would be incorrect, because it's possible for two people to have completely different core values and therefore goals in life.

  • @chompythebeast

    @chompythebeast

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DaimonAnimations Yes, empathy is real, and is as natural as the desire to take or steal. Whether we do the one or the other has more to do with the material conditions of our existence than it has to do with anything else. For example, if I must steal to survive, I will, but if I don't have that gun to my head, then I won't. _That's_ what the perfect society strives for, therefore: It strives to fulfill the material wants and needs of its members reasonably and equitably enough such that the majority of antisocial behavior simply ceases to be self-serving. Instead, of course, we encourage endless competition and celebrate extreme inequality under global Capital, and as long as that continues, exploitation and anti-social behavior in return will never be brought under control, no matter how iron-fisted authority may become, and no matter how many cops, soldiers, and death squads are employed in crackdown

  • @davemiller6055
    @davemiller6055 Жыл бұрын

    Tolkien constructed his world and story under the inspiration of Western mythology. Norse, Greek, even the story of Atlantis from Plato. If you are familiar with these things you'll see their tracks all over Tokien's works. It's no coincidence that the One Rings themes resemble this story.

  • @gaming_bigfoot
    @gaming_bigfoot Жыл бұрын

    To use it would not necessarily mean being corrupted by it. If anything, it would allow one to more freely behave as they truly would-one might say it'd distill their nature to its truest, purest form. But that does not mean such a "pure" state would lack malicious intent. To refuse to use such a ring would be to deny the possibilities offered by it, and therefore to accept the consequences (including the negatives) of not doing so. Thus, it ultimately becomes an illusion of choice, with the so-called "corruption" being perceivable from either decision. Had I such a ring, it would most certainly be put to use. At least then I could take comfort in the notion of actively performing change, rather than passively conceding to change; in this manner I would be forced to accept my actions as my own, rather than refute my inactions as beyond my influence. TL,DR: I'd rather try to make use of it and fail in my accomplishments than surrender the potential and guarantee failure. This comes from hoping for the best but expecting the worst.

  • @genio2509

    @genio2509

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree, and also now see the ring is a lot like money. It doesn't help or corrupt you, it just elevates who you truly are. If you are selfless, you'll put it to use and help others, if you are selfish, you will out it to use and hurt others but serve yourself, and also a middle ground on thinking on you and others. But refusing it would help nobody and serve no one, if you are afraid you would hurt others, you should think first on who you are.

  • @etherdeef4303

    @etherdeef4303

    11 күн бұрын

    I resent the idea that anyone has a purest form, its impossible to tell how using such a ring would change anyone. Of course that goes for many things in life, but few are quite so drastic. It depends largely on how happy you are with your life currently, if you seek drastic change, the ring may be a force for good for you. If you are happy, it is wiser to stay well away.

  • @DarkShadows713
    @DarkShadows713 Жыл бұрын

    If I had a magic ring that turned me invisible I would use it to go walking at night, knowing no one would commit a crime against me that way.

  • @ameennasar2583

    @ameennasar2583

    Жыл бұрын

    But man, beware of dogs. They can always sense you like you're visible

  • @DarkShadows713

    @DarkShadows713

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ameennasar2583 Dogs love me. It's men I'm worried about

  • @Laocoon283

    @Laocoon283

    Жыл бұрын

    But your already a dark shadow. No way anyone can see you at night.

  • @schaughtful

    @schaughtful

    Жыл бұрын

    Except a hit and run

  • @Kjf365

    @Kjf365

    Жыл бұрын

    Just walk like a thug looking for a victim and people will walk away from you. Problem solved.

  • @yokaiwatcher8500
    @yokaiwatcher8500 Жыл бұрын

    If I had a magical ring, I would constantly fiddle with it in on my hand, being all like “im invisible-wait no im not- I’m invisible-wait no im not”

  • @officialgremlin

    @officialgremlin

    Жыл бұрын

    I'd materialize out of nowhere right in front of people to get my kicks in, but that WOULD be pretty cool

  • @AnOceanOnFire

    @AnOceanOnFire

    Жыл бұрын

    My thought process exactly

  • @longdang2681

    @longdang2681

    Жыл бұрын

    Brings a whole new way of playing peekaboo.

  • @oliversumagpao21

    @oliversumagpao21

    Жыл бұрын

    Hahaha sounds like family guy

  • @milliondollarmistake

    @milliondollarmistake

    Жыл бұрын

    i would assault

  • @aotearoa_goose3261
    @aotearoa_goose326111 ай бұрын

    Plato must really have liked The Lord of the Rings.

  • @gabrielcabralparentebezerr5650
    @gabrielcabralparentebezerr565011 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the video! It was brief, concise and yet very well-made, informative and interesting! 📖

  • @l.n.3372
    @l.n.3372 Жыл бұрын

    I've heard about this before. But this channel always brings such great animation and attention to detail, that it's worth learning lessons again just to see how Ted Ed will describe it. Once again, I enjoyed the video and learned a lot!

  • @aiworldvn

    @aiworldvn

    Жыл бұрын

    Interesting video! Can you give me your comment about my channel? Thank everyone

  • @alexpower9423

    @alexpower9423

    Жыл бұрын

    They’re great animations hey - a good one to check out for that is the Bible Project.

  • @l.n.3372

    @l.n.3372

    Жыл бұрын

    @@alexpower9423 I'm not really interested in anything religious.

  • @cirogarcia8958
    @cirogarcia8958 Жыл бұрын

    I'd be too afraid to abuse the ring's power. It makes you invisible, not invincible and incredibly smart. It adds a single layer of advantage, while there are still many layers of "defense" that do not rely on vision to, for example, detect intruders, or detect movement. It may help you get away with petty crimes, but nothing really ambitious

  • @renwulf1695

    @renwulf1695

    9 ай бұрын

    Unless you can sneak your way into NORAD and hold the world hostage. 😈

  • @jms4979

    @jms4979

    9 ай бұрын

    what if the ring make you invincible? would you use it?

  • @GeorgeMonet

    @GeorgeMonet

    9 ай бұрын

    Being invisible is already enough for most anything you'd want to do.

  • @Gnome-kc7pr

    @Gnome-kc7pr

    9 ай бұрын

    @@renwulf1695I'm sure thermal imaging would thwart this plan.

  • @misterbennnn

    @misterbennnn

    9 ай бұрын

    With modern security, you would seriously be limited in what you could do. Robbing a bank, for example, would still be difficult because of the vault door at even the most basic bank. Museums have pressure and weight sensors. Regular sentries would notice paintings floating away and could still hear you strain. A ring of invisibility in the 21st century would let you make pranks and commit petty crimes, like you said, and that's about it.

  • @elleenoel512
    @elleenoel512 Жыл бұрын

    That was awesome! I love finding the mythological basis for a story I know. And the plug at the end!

  • @virgil4043
    @virgil404311 ай бұрын

    If I found myself holding a ring with the ability to grant me what i want without consequence then we would all be well fed with a roof over our head. Ive been through a lot but ive found that in life there is nothing more important than sharing what we have and being grateful for it. Ive been without too often to wish even just hunger on someone else. Be what you want to see in the world and others will follow. Those who dont will wish they had eventually

  • @skylark7921
    @skylark7921 Жыл бұрын

    My empathy is too overwhelming to go full on murder-the-monarch. Like, I can act selfishly sure, anyone can, but the level at which I experience the pain and negative emotions of those around me would make inflicting such pain and suffering too awful to get any benefit out of it. On the other hand, when I do something nice, the level at which I experience the joy of whoever benefitted is reward in and of itself. Basically, for me doing nice things and not doing awful things is related to a punishment/reward system - it’s just very intrinsic and exists whether or not anyone knows what I’m doing.

  • @user-gb7ji6xy5d

    @user-gb7ji6xy5d

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, some people are like that. People often quote the GIFT principle--of people online acting awful because of anonymity--but there are still people online who act nice despite being practically above consequences. Empathy matters a lot because it is there even when nobody's watching.

  • @buycraft911miner2

    @buycraft911miner2

    Жыл бұрын

    I dont think empathy is the main factor in play when doing the right thing; even if alone. I think we act righteously in order to keep our image of being "good", both to other people and to ourselves. Basically, people dont want to be a type of person of which they have negative connotations, so even if their first instinct is to do it, they will stop themselves. In a way, it works the same way, but it is also much more brittle.

  • @skylark7921

    @skylark7921

    Жыл бұрын

    @@buycraft911miner2 true, avoiding the cognitive dissonance of “I want to think of myself as a good person but here I am doing awful things” can also be a good intrinsic motivator. Actually, I remember there was a study which found that autistic people were more likely than neurotypical people to do the morally correct thing when their actions were anonymous (vs roughly even when no anonymous). While some autistic people, like me, experience more intense empathy, it’s also fairly common for autistic people to experience less intense empathy. But one thing which pretty much occurs across-the-board with autism is a hardwired instinct for patterns. If X, then Y. “X” and “Y” can be simple or complex concepts, but for an autistic brain the pattern between them must and will hold. Any other outcome is intensely confusing. So the kind of cognitive dissonance created by doing something bad while viewing yourself as good is even more visceral and inescapable for an autistic person

  • @solarpunkcyborg4663
    @solarpunkcyborg4663 Жыл бұрын

    The original ancient Greek word, Thymos (pronounced thü-moss), is translated here as "spirit", but has been translated as several other things. Will, passion, soul, emotion, etc. It's notoriously difficult to translate.

  • @Layput

    @Layput

    Жыл бұрын

    It was also an inspiration for a product that kept hot drinks for very long.

  • @chalkiasm

    @chalkiasm

    Жыл бұрын

    It's pronounced Themos, Θυμός, and it literally mean anger. Also used as breath or soul by our ancestors. Its more like an ethical lesson from Platon rather than a myth per se. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Gyges

  • @solarpunkcyborg4663

    @solarpunkcyborg4663

    Жыл бұрын

    @@chalkiasm That's the modern Greek pronunciation. I was using the ancient Greek one. Upsilon used to be pronounced like the German ü before drifting over time to sound like iota (ee in English).

  • @chalkiasm

    @chalkiasm

    Жыл бұрын

    @@solarpunkcyborg4663 No, this is the erasmian pronunciation which is a misconception. We do a lot of ancient Greek at school and the pronunciation is how i wrote it.

  • @solarpunkcyborg4663

    @solarpunkcyborg4663

    Жыл бұрын

    @@chalkiasm Even outside of the Erasmian pronunciation, upsilon was pronounced like ü. See Luke Raniere's videos on how the letters were actually pronounced in ancient times. The way it's taught in Greek High schools isn't at all like how it was spoken 2,400 years ago.

  • @limsiryuean5040
    @limsiryuean5040 Жыл бұрын

    a power like that reveals the true character behind every human being, regardless of reasoning or innate bodily desires. Although everything we ever wanted is similar (happiness, wholesomeness), our methods of achieving that varies, that's where a choice is needed to be made, and that choice will define the human its character for eternity (even it changes with time of journey).

  • @ciuuin4098
    @ciuuin40989 ай бұрын

    If I had a ring of invisibility, I think I would use it just to walk into places that I wouldn't normally be allowed to go, and listen to/watch people and things - to look at and experience life from every angle. Honestly, I wouldn't half mind if I just turned invisible irreversibly, haha

  • @RENEG4DE4NGEL

    @RENEG4DE4NGEL

    5 күн бұрын

    You would get lonely.

  • @akankshapendharkar1387
    @akankshapendharkar1387 Жыл бұрын

    The "three parts of the soul" where appetite, spirit, and reason try to find harmony sounds quite similar to Freud's id, ego, and superego.

  • @FrumiousBandersnatch42

    @FrumiousBandersnatch42

    Жыл бұрын

    That's exactly what I thought!

  • @GrndAdmiralThrawn

    @GrndAdmiralThrawn

    Жыл бұрын

    I’m fairly certain that’s where he got it from. He just presented it more “scientifically”, as psychological science was beginning to develop.

  • @cj6498

    @cj6498

    Жыл бұрын

    @@GrndAdmiralThrawn It's might be so, but It makes me think of on how often I see philosophy of different and distant kinds rhyming with each other. There is collaboration, but there also feels like a guiding hand of reason making people arrive to such oddly similar points of view between generations and cultures. If you follow reason, you're inevitably going to fall into the similar places. It's just neat.

  • @ashleygrayer4025

    @ashleygrayer4025

    Жыл бұрын

    That's what I thought too!

  • @noirekuroraigami2270

    @noirekuroraigami2270

    Жыл бұрын

    @@cj6498 Bro knowledge builds on itself. Freud was a well studied and classically educated man. In that time, few people knew about Plato, but a professor from the Upper-Germanic Academia for sure would have known the concept

  • @mrfhsn253
    @mrfhsn253 Жыл бұрын

    I'm just wondering how good this content is ! The animation, narration, background music all are outstanding.

  • @andaction.agency

    @andaction.agency

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for nice comment about animation, we enjoyed the creation process a lot ❤

  • @tetra6219
    @tetra621910 ай бұрын

    I agree with Socrates on this one. Just behaviour is just as beneficial for yourself as it is for others. But in order for that to be the case you need to exercise quality as an individual, you've got to be truly in control of the appetite. That gives you a worthier reward than a throne.

  • @chongwillson972

    @chongwillson972

    20 күн бұрын

    @tetra6219 though there is a difference between controlling your appetite and starving it.

  • @diegobravo641
    @diegobravo6413 ай бұрын

    So interesting and thought induncing! Leaves the viewer with an appetite for the ring.

  • @andaction.agency
    @andaction.agency Жыл бұрын

    Dear TED-Ed team, thank you for amazing cooperation on this project! We enjoyed it a loooot ❤❤❤❤

  • @heatherp7902

    @heatherp7902

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm blown away by how beautiful the artwork in this video is, and the method of animation. You are all incredibly talented. It's truly a moving masterpiece!

  • @andaction.agency

    @andaction.agency

    Жыл бұрын

    @@heatherp7902 Thank you for your nice comment about animation, we really enjoyed the creation process❤

  • @tegxi
    @tegxi Жыл бұрын

    I don't trust people that suggest people only do good because of the consequences they might otherwise suffer, because it tells me they only do good because of potential consequences. There are many situations in the world where doing bad comes without consequences (to the self) and the people that take those opportunities are often the bad ones. Ultimately, it is a trust in a collective good that allows society to function at all.

  • @zakosist

    @zakosist

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree. Nobody is perfect, but the ones who cant even comprehend true caring for others and internal sense of morality, clearly lack sympathy... Thus they are close psychopath (if not actually being) or something similiar. Those who do have caring will just understand.

  • @ksu3981

    @ksu3981

    Жыл бұрын

    I think its just that acting virtuous is kinda like a pass to live in society. It's turned into an unspoken law kinda, we don't necessarily act purely based on the fact it makes u virtuous, but it's kinda like u need to play along certain rules if u don't want to be put in a prison or nuthouse

  • @GabrielAKAFinn

    @GabrielAKAFinn

    Жыл бұрын

    We are just realists. Today you won't find more than 10% of the population would not take any chance they can get if they think it won't bite them.

  • @Taserfacethemetaphorical5502

    @Taserfacethemetaphorical5502

    9 ай бұрын

    There will always be consequences from acting unjustly, for a world where there is truly no consequence is a world with only one human. Other humans will learn that to be unjust is to survive, and then the one who did the first unjust deed is the first to face the consequences.

  • @pponca8953

    @pponca8953

    22 күн бұрын

    aren't you admitting that people do in fact act that way? or rather that you also think that there are people who act that way?

  • @Romans1520
    @Romans152011 ай бұрын

    Wow interesting stuff, I appreciate all the comments too. I read a book once that talks about this very subject (and much more!) and I've never encountered anything like it. It's a collection of writings from approximately forty separate authors, written on three separate continents, comprised in three separate languages, and was compiled over the span of an estimated 1,500-1,600 years!

  • @americandissident9062
    @americandissident906222 күн бұрын

    2:25 Interesting detail that we see, in historical chronological order, Doric, Ionic, and Corinthian pillars. Love it.

  • @coreyhead5777
    @coreyhead5777 Жыл бұрын

    With all honesty, I would use it. It’s a tool which gives the wearer benefits. Use an invisibility ring with purpose, and just remember everything has consequences. Treat it like a loaded gun.

  • @normanclatcher

    @normanclatcher

    Жыл бұрын

    Keep it secret; keep it safe. -And only point it at libs- I mean, what? 😗

  • @Isaac-LizardKing

    @Isaac-LizardKing

    Жыл бұрын

    @@normanclatcher norman do you have something you need to tell the class? something about genocidal tendencies perhaps?

  • @Emmariscobar

    @Emmariscobar

    Жыл бұрын

    @@normanclatcher i doubt pointing a ring at someone will be particularly effective at killing them but you do you, i guess if you do it for long enough they might die... of old age.

  • @normanclatcher

    @normanclatcher

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Isaac-LizardKing Genocidal tendencies? Ha ha ha... I would never. 😗

  • @normanclatcher

    @normanclatcher

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Emmariscobar I mean, we all go eventually, right?

  • @demian9715
    @demian9715 Жыл бұрын

    Soo interesting! I love those little history stories, and this one probably even inspired Tolkien for the Hobbit!

  • @aiworldvn

    @aiworldvn

    Жыл бұрын

    Interesting video! Can you give me your comment about my channel? Thank everyone

  • @djayjp

    @djayjp

    Жыл бұрын

    Probably? He was a history, literature, and multi-linguist academic.

  • @demian9715

    @demian9715

    Жыл бұрын

    @@djayjp then a 100%! :D

  • @djayjp

    @djayjp

    Жыл бұрын

    @@demian9715 Be sure to check out Ted-Ed's other video on the topic, "The Norse myth that inspired Lord of the Rings"

  • @demian9715

    @demian9715

    Жыл бұрын

    @@djayjp thank you for the suggestion, I will look into it!

  • @WilliamBrinkley45
    @WilliamBrinkley453 ай бұрын

    I had always wondered where Tolkien got the inspiration for “the one ring”. I can’t believe I never heard of this before.

  • @Xerrand
    @Xerrand9 ай бұрын

    Plato would have remembered my needs. He would have brought me a kingly gift.

  • @melkhiordarkfell4354
    @melkhiordarkfell4354 Жыл бұрын

    Socrates: Plato, are you writing fan fics about me again?

  • @bruisedhelmet8819
    @bruisedhelmet8819 Жыл бұрын

    I'd use it to beat street mimes and convince all that they are the best mime in the world.

  • @turking25
    @turking25 Жыл бұрын

    2 thousand years ago people couldn’t just pose a hypothetical, they had to come up with a whole story with characters, lore, and supernatural elements to say “what if someone could do whatever they wanted without being held accountable for their actions?”

  • @PC.NickRowan
    @PC.NickRowan Жыл бұрын

    Amazing how Socrates's idea of the 3rd class of the soul has three parts is essentially Freud's theory of the Id, Ego, and Superego. I wonder if Freud derived this theory from Socrates, or if they both managed the come to the same conclusion.

  • @bigburton24

    @bigburton24

    Жыл бұрын

    Jesus Christ said we are mind, body, and spirit.. so maybe they are onto something :)

  • @anoukfleur2513

    @anoukfleur2513

    11 ай бұрын

    I thought that too, but the explanation they gave here didn’t make me entirely sure which one was the Superego and which the Ego here 🤔

  • @PlagueNeco-nt4lv

    @PlagueNeco-nt4lv

    11 ай бұрын

    @anoukfleur2513 The Spirit is the superego because the superego refers to the laws instilled into a person. The Reason is ego because the ego is a combination of the Id and Superego vying for control just like how the two horses Spirit and Appetite fight to control Reason.

  • @caiden2242

    @caiden2242

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@bigburton24Where did Jesus say that?

  • @razbugs

    @razbugs

    9 ай бұрын

    this is a great comparison, very fascinating!

  • @davidroddick91
    @davidroddick91 Жыл бұрын

    I think I would use the ring to do my job: Gyges, as a messenger, could cross enemy lines without being detected. But I also think I would use the ring to spy on people, and would probably see a lot of things I shouldn't. After all, I'm no angel. But I wouldn't cross the line into murder, because that goes against my nature.

  • @davidburns9766

    @davidburns9766

    Жыл бұрын

    What about if someone found out about you and was going to out you, or steal the ring?

  • @jestfullgremblim8002

    @jestfullgremblim8002

    Жыл бұрын

    @@davidburns9766 i mean, would would belive someone saying "He has a ring that turns him invicible!" And then again, you can make them look even crazier by using your powers. You can also frame them so they get jailed or something, unless you get recorded or something, you will never need to commit murder hahaha

  • @funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong

    @funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong

    Жыл бұрын

    @@davidburns9766 If someone told you some random schmuck had a magic ring that turned them invisible, would you believe them? Because if you would, I have a bridge to sell you.

  • @Laocoon283

    @Laocoon283

    Жыл бұрын

    It's always been my fantasy to know what politicians actually say behind closed doors.

  • @theglitchcounter264
    @theglitchcounter264 Жыл бұрын

    This is the one time my level of pessimism would pay off. The ring is a situation dealing with problems and repercussions so grand and all encompassing, that the smartest action you could take as the one to find it , would be to immediately destroy it. Nothing short of complete omnipotence would secure your position such that you could not possibly fall prey to someone that desires the the powers the ring possesses.

  • @rotopercutorash
    @rotopercutorash26 күн бұрын

    Let's take a second to appreciate the quality of this animation. Spot on 👌

  • @jumperwilli7770
    @jumperwilli7770 Жыл бұрын

    Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them, In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie

  • @aiworldvn

    @aiworldvn

    Жыл бұрын

    Can you give me your comment about my channel? Thank everyone

  • @miguelpadeiro762

    @miguelpadeiro762

    Жыл бұрын

    And one for that Greek shepherd over there because he won't stop annoying me

  • @FauxReal.

    @FauxReal.

    Жыл бұрын

    The dark lord sauron forged in secret a master ring, in this ring he poured his cruelty, malice and will to dominate all of middle earth, one ring to Rule them all

  • @RealityRogue
    @RealityRogue Жыл бұрын

    Honestly I would just use the ring to observe the world and it’s people without bothering anyone or being confronted. Just wondering around nature without the threat of animals. There’s so many interesting places I’d like to just ‘observe’.

  • @MortalOrder
    @MortalOrder Жыл бұрын

    I remember having a conversation about the morality of what people would do with a ring like that. I mentioned that I couldn’t think of anything purely benevolent using invisibility, and as such could not be a proper allegory for the topic. I brought up another one that I read online: whether or not people bring the shopping cart back to the designated area, or leave them wherever.

  • @Rachel-fi4sc

    @Rachel-fi4sc

    Жыл бұрын

    Purely benevolent uses for invisibility: - leave kind messages for people to find - be a tidy house brownie and/or chivalrous ghost and open doors for people, do little chores, etc. - go for walks or to bars without having to worry about being attacked or in danger - be a guardian spirit to those at risk, using your invisiblity to fight off those trying to hurt them - relay messages to save your troops during war times - reveal those who misuse their power to harm others, thereby saving more people from being victimised

  • @Rachel-fi4sc

    @Rachel-fi4sc

    Жыл бұрын

    Ooh, I just thought of another one: - observe animals in their natural habitat and further our understanding of the natural world

  • @callmecharlie4250

    @callmecharlie4250

    9 ай бұрын

    @@Rachel-fi4sc I've always wanted to be a helpful little ghost; no one knows of my existence but I can make people's lives just a little more pleasant.

  • @Rachel-fi4sc

    @Rachel-fi4sc

    9 ай бұрын

    @@callmecharlie4250 Honestly? That's what I use the internet for. Concerning comment online that makes me worried for the person posting it? Anonymous Internet Fren sees and cares!

  • @Systolic_Gaming
    @Systolic_Gaming13 күн бұрын

    Answering as if I don’t know of the rings corrupting power: I would go about my life normally, but use the ring to gain the knowledge to correct things I found unjust. If someone stole my lunch at work I would use the ring to watch unseen and find the culprit. If I thought I was being discriminated against I would sit in on a meeting I wasn’t invited to. I would use it as a way to remove chance, but ultimately that would spiral upwards into higher and higher stakes information. So in short, the ring would corrupt me.

  • @Movieplayer112
    @Movieplayer112 Жыл бұрын

    I believe that people like Sam, who are content with a simple life, would be unaffected by such a curse. They'll probably never get their hands on such an object to begin with.

  • @SenhorAlien

    @SenhorAlien

    Жыл бұрын

    People who live a simple life are also subject to corruption after acquiring power.

  • @piepiedog1

    @piepiedog1

    Жыл бұрын

    But even Sam was (very briefly) corrupted by the ring after taking it from Frodo when he thought Frodo had died. He may have been content with a simple life, but he still had desires-- like protecting the shire and his friends. And Frodo, who was also a hobbit content with a simple life, ultimately failed to destroy the ring due to its corruption. Only Tom Bombadil was fully unaffected by the ring, but exactly what he is remains a mystery so it is difficult to say why. Maybe he doesn't truly have any desires, or maybe he is Eru Iluvatar himself i.e. god of all things.

  • @Xeneonic

    @Xeneonic

    Жыл бұрын

    @@piepiedog1 While Tom Bombadil is a mysterious being, he isn't Eru Iluvatar; it is "a fact that" (as far as you can "write facts" on a fictional story) Tom Bombadil would fade as the light would fade from Middle Earth if Sauron had won. Eru Iluvatar of course is a being of several magnitudes higher in power than Sauron, or even Sauron's master (Morgoth). These are described in the Silmarillion and also Gandalf's words (That Tom Bombadil wouldn't be able to survive if Sauron had won) in LOTR. So from these statements, you can very confidently conclude that Tom =/= Eru. Also 3 months late, but what can you do, youtube algorithm.

  • @PiracyMan

    @PiracyMan

    Жыл бұрын

    fun fact: there was a study done (dont remember which year) in one of the liberal states of america where they compared the kindness of those who were born into rich houses vs those who were born into poor houses and became rich. The poor who became rich were less likely to share money and were much ruder than the ones born rich

  • @Xeneonic

    @Xeneonic

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PiracyMan Small sample size, "a study", off-topic. Why?

  • @maxmuster5645
    @maxmuster5645 Жыл бұрын

    The artwork in this video is simply superb!

  • @TheBlarg111
    @TheBlarg111 Жыл бұрын

    Just imagine what you could do with such a power. You could sleep wherever you wanted, and no one could stop you!

  • @victuz

    @victuz

    11 ай бұрын

    Hahahaha

  • @Mustlehard
    @Mustlehard Жыл бұрын

    If the ring came off of a giant how would it fit on a normal man’s finger ??? Did the giant have human sized hands ??

  • @nadimomar7156
    @nadimomar7156 Жыл бұрын

    the ring of Gyges would be a gateway to an infinite trove of knowledge. imagine turning invisible and observing animals without them seeing you, or spying on government officials in secret or even just exploring a place with an added level of security.

  • @freakalmighty2533

    @freakalmighty2533

    11 ай бұрын

    You went from Steve Irwin to Solid Snake in a comma.

  • @yourmum69_420

    @yourmum69_420

    9 ай бұрын

    you know people have hidden wildlife cameras right?

  • @Glock18401

    @Glock18401

    3 ай бұрын

    You could sneak inside a plane and travel everywhere around the world and sneak here and sneak there. Having the power of being invisible is more than enough. Modern camera or sensor might detect us but they will thought you as a ghost not criminals.

  • @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

    @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@Glock18401 That's how useful being able to turn manually invisible and all. But the movie called Hollow Man told me otherwise the side effects of such power. You will be treated as an SCP who has gone berserked if you ever misused the power of invisibility for so long.

  • @wasabiattack
    @wasabiattack Жыл бұрын

    If I found such a ring, I would start the greatest prank KZread channel of all time.

  • @emperorsascharoni9577
    @emperorsascharoni95776 күн бұрын

    Great stuff. Only 2 things I’d improve. 1. Why not say “burdensome” instead of “onerous”? Using simple words is always better if the meaning remains. 2. The point about Socrates can be connected better by stating the conclusion before the explanation. “Socrates believes that virtue belongs to the third class. Because it is an essential part needed to achieve happiness. According to his theory…(3 parts explaination in the video)”

  • @zhenyamediocris4373
    @zhenyamediocris4373 Жыл бұрын

    Wow, breathtaking. I really enjoyed your video. It's always interesting to know where authors take their inspiration

  • @ravi.tiwari.
    @ravi.tiwari. Жыл бұрын

    There is something similar in Hindu philosophy : 3 personalities - tamsik, rajsik, satvik The one who attains moksha - (gunatit or sarvarambh parityagi)

  • @111QQQ1Q1Q1
    @111QQQ1Q1Q1 Жыл бұрын

    Could I resist the ring? Bro I can't even resist the next episode of my show

  • @jyeet8670
    @jyeet8670 Жыл бұрын

    bro... what power?? Even if I turn invisible I still need to do my homework and study for my exams. Even if I turn invisible the visible me still exist in other people's minds, and I need to keep up that visible aspect of myself if I don't want to lose it. I don't want to lose what I have in life rn. If you are visible other people can approach you and give you stuff. If you are invisible everything you want you have to get for yourself, and you better look after yourself because no one else can.

  • @Fossil_Frank

    @Fossil_Frank

    2 күн бұрын

    Invisibility would be useful for some minor skulduggery, like stealing from people without consequence. However, once you get on a roll, the world will catch on that something like this is afoot. Places where valuable things are stored would begin installing systems that do not rely on the visible spectrum or on sight at all. For example, ultrasonic systems for people detection already exist. It's just nat that powerful an ability.

  • @niccosalonga9009
    @niccosalonga9009 Жыл бұрын

    From what I understand, most people's actions seem dictated by a mix or competition between positive and negative stimuli (punishment vs reward) and their established self image (based on what they understand themselves to be as well as on any role models they have chosen)... With a good smattering of inherited innate instinctive reactions of course.

  • @FeignSane

    @FeignSane

    10 ай бұрын

    Beautifully said, nice comment

  • @Pingwn
    @Pingwn Жыл бұрын

    I want to believe I wouldn't act unjustly if it would be with no consequences, not just because it would benefit myself to live a just life but for the sake of the people around me. I don't know if the human mind is capable of being truly selfless but I am trying to do my best in order to act for the sake of others.

  • @eldorama
    @eldorama25 күн бұрын

    Gotta love archetypes. Every human understands it. Socrates’s argument about the “appetite” driving desire leading to one’s soul’s “disharmony” encapsulates “shadow work” very well.

  • @skeepodoop5197
    @skeepodoop519710 күн бұрын

    "So this ring can turn me invisible? Welp, if anyone important knows about this they're 100% going to convescate it, so uh... I'll just keep it in my drawer and use it to prank people ocasionally maybe...?"

  • @Sid-mj1qf
    @Sid-mj1qf Жыл бұрын

    I love how people here not focused on what debate is surrounding the act of "being just" instead, fight about the origin of the story and Tolkien references...I also love Tolkien and LOTR, but, Rings are a kinda universal ornament from ancient time itself. So, every culture have their own story about Rings.

  • @Layput

    @Layput

    Жыл бұрын

    The ring is not the problem. The story is just too familiar.

  • @NoName-hg6cc

    @NoName-hg6cc

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Layput Well, Tolkien surely read it....

  • @derekeano
    @derekeano Жыл бұрын

    I love learning about the ancient Greeks.

  • @DavidLS1
    @DavidLS1 Жыл бұрын

    In my younger days, I gave in to my appetites and was very happy. If a ring could give me back my youth, I'd use it in a heartbeat.

  • @TupHart
    @TupHart Жыл бұрын

    What a good story. They should write Atleast 4 books about this

  • @animatedmonkey5882

    @animatedmonkey5882

    6 күн бұрын

    And movies too!

  • @petemoss7704
    @petemoss7704 Жыл бұрын

    How did the ring fit him if it was a ring for giants?

  • @prasetyaadi6007

    @prasetyaadi6007

    26 күн бұрын

    It's called supranatural ring for a reason.

  • @jeanladoire4141

    @jeanladoire4141

    23 күн бұрын

    Bro the ring can make you invisible, and the only question you ask is "isn't tbe ring too big?"

  • @ashwinmartin355

    @ashwinmartin355

    22 күн бұрын

    He used it as a bracelet.

  • @mattsmith8160

    @mattsmith8160

    21 күн бұрын

    Even the ring in the lord of the rings seemed to magically change size to fit it's wearer. When the ring was cut from Sauron's hand Sauron was wearing it over his gauntlet clad finger and when the man picked it up we can see it almost filled the palm of his hand yet in the very next scene it's somehow small enough to fit on a Hobbits finger.

  • @thegodseeker6035

    @thegodseeker6035

    21 күн бұрын

    @@mattsmith8160The ring can also slip off of someone’s finger if it needs to, it slipped off of Isildur’s

  • @emmy_grace
    @emmy_grace Жыл бұрын

    I love these videos. The information is so cool and interesting

  • @explodingdynamite7319

    @explodingdynamite7319

    Жыл бұрын

    So Close!

  • @aiworldvn

    @aiworldvn

    Жыл бұрын

    Interesting video! Can you give me your comment about my channel? Thank everyone

  • @narutofreak974
    @narutofreak9743 ай бұрын

    I recall doing an essay in community college that involved this allegory. I titled the easy, “One Ring to Bring Injustice to All.”

  • @istp1967
    @istp196723 күн бұрын

    It's just as Socrates said; Power does not corrupt, it Reveals.

  • @xanderalaniz2298
    @xanderalaniz2298 Жыл бұрын

    I can't believe Socrates stole Freud's idea of subconsciousness

  • @pixelsocket
    @pixelsocket Жыл бұрын

    I’m not even going to pretend I wouldn’t fall for it. Admittedly, I wouldn’t want to take control of a nation with it, but that’s simply because I’m too lazy and easily exasperated to try to heard that many cats at once.

  • @rpgcraftsman520

    @rpgcraftsman520

    Жыл бұрын

    Smart man.

  • @denzblog2710
    @denzblog271021 күн бұрын

    Yeah, no one would be able to stop me if I got a ring like that

  • @Our_Remedy
    @Our_Remedy9 ай бұрын

    I don't see why we assume that only things that harm others can benefit ourselves. In fact, doing harm even anonymously can bring a lot of heat that even a selfish person would want to avoid. Personally I'd love to use invisibility for kind things, or at worst harmless mischief to entertain myself.

  • @theknightskyisi
    @theknightskyisi Жыл бұрын

    The allegory of the chariot is remarkably similar to Freud's Id Ego and Superego, fascinating.

  • @krookedtease
    @krookedtease Жыл бұрын

    Love the illustration and animation! Great story also :)

  • @J.5.M.

    @J.5.M.

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah beautiful visuals!

  • @andaction.agency

    @andaction.agency

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your nice comment about animation, we really enjoyed the creation process❤

  • @andaction.agency

    @andaction.agency

    Жыл бұрын

    @@J.5.M. We appreciate your kind words regarding the animation; we had a great time making it.❤

  • @jeanlouis5619
    @jeanlouis56199 ай бұрын

    The ring can not corrupt me if I'm already corrupt

  • @Tawnyaise0
    @Tawnyaise0 Жыл бұрын

    There is a series about this ring. Hero: Gayab mode on It's available on KZread. It's in Hindi, so you can on the captions if you can't understand. It's really good one. You should watch it.

  • @joshdamighty
    @joshdamighty Жыл бұрын

    It is a good question. What would you do with such power? Because if you think about it, there aren't many "good" things one can do with invisibility but there are infinite "bad" things. It's almost like the power is meant to be used to take advantage of others. A perfect power to be tempted with.

  • @johnnyb2909

    @johnnyb2909

    Жыл бұрын

    But what if you use your invisibility to steal money from the richest people and gave it to the poor, or get rid of bad poloticians, i mean that are bad things that serve the good