I've been returning to your videos for four years to get help on concepts I don't understand. Please keep up the good work!

@GregoryBSadler

7 жыл бұрын

That's quite a long time! No plans on my part to quit anytime in the foreseeable future

Hi Greg. I was looking for something to highlight Socrates v Thrasymachus for one of my students and found this lecture here. I'd never seen this one. You're fun to watch as you teach, so obviously engaging the students and Plato! Best to you.

@GregoryBSadler

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks - glad you enjoyed it

Alot of great uploads thank you Gregory.

Thanks -- glad you liked it. You're right about justice -- and all the rest of the moral qualities. Here, in this vid, I'm just trying to present Thrasymachus' views on it and some of the problems Socrates points out with them

Really like the idea of the series, based on this one it really lays open simple concepts that could be applicable to a range of situations in short talks. 'It does what it says on the tin'. :D

this guys looks like christian bale a lot just watch his mouth when he smiles.... and thanks for the video it helped me alot.

@GregoryBSadler

7 жыл бұрын

Glad you found the video useful. You're the first to make that comparison

You're welcome -- and there's many more to come in the future

@user-br9br2dk4n

4 жыл бұрын

Very good video, thank you!

Thank you so much sir. This video was really helpful for my essay. From Turkey with love.

@GregoryBSadler

4 жыл бұрын

Glad it was useful for you!

Thank You so very much Sir - this was very helpful!

@GregoryBSadler

10 жыл бұрын

Glad to read it!

Awesome teacher, my own philosophy professors are total bores, so this is really refreshing - thanks ;)

@GregoryBSadler

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you find the videos engaging

thank u man! im in a french college and this really helped me

@GregoryBSadler

7 жыл бұрын

Glad to read it!

My professor without being my professor. May the lord bless you for your impactful work

@GregoryBSadler

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

No, actually what you find among the ancients -- if you aim to generalize about them, which is a bit risky -- is that philosophy is understood as something that actually runs through and guides one's life. So, no, Plato is for applying philosophy

What are the four deifnitionsof justice given in book 1 of justice?

new Core Concept video

I've been watching your videos to prepare for an exam and I have a question from my study guide that I hope you can help me answer. "Plato's guardians are happy." What arguments does Plato make in support of this statement? (Why, in his mind, would they be happy?) What arguments can be made against it? (Hint: does Plato unwittingly undermine his own argument with some of his proposals?) Note (and hint): You will need to discuss Plato's understanding of the divisions within an individual's soul.

@GregoryBSadler

4 жыл бұрын

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Mr. Sadler, is Thrasymachus's view identical to Callicles? In my head I mix them up, and was wondering if a comparison is valid. Both seem to have a "might is right" kind of view.

@GregoryBSadler

Жыл бұрын

Not a "Mr." Identical? No, of course not. If they were, they'd say exactly the same thing.

Interesting.

Can you please answer this question Explain in what context Socrates considers justice as virtue??

@GregoryBSadler

3 жыл бұрын

Here you go - kzread.info/dash/bejne/gYqTtpp-ndzMZqw.html

I don't know much about Plato, but I think he taught that what was real was the pure idea of a thing, and thing itself was real only insofar as it participated in the idea. We have the idea of justice, and the argument over the definition is an attempt to find the purest expression of the idea, perhaps even a definition that is universally applicable. Is this accurate?

@GregoryBSadler

9 жыл бұрын

He does have a doctrine of the forms, which is a bit more complex than what you've got here. It's not something relevant to this particular discussion here, though. He will discuss forms later on in the Republic

Thanks for the video, my complaint is that the dialogue goes further beyond this point which is what I need more help understanding.

@GregoryBSadler

3 жыл бұрын

Then book a tutorial session. Nobody likes complainers

Thrasymachus was right all along. Law has always been the instrument by which the strong impose their will upon the weak.

@GregoryBSadler

Жыл бұрын

Sweeping dogmatic statements like that are usually wrong, and are a silly sort of comment to make

@ElUltimoLeviathan7901

2 ай бұрын

exactly

I suggest you read the text closely. You'll find them

Such a helpful video and a great addition to my current lectures. But shocked a university student said the phrase 'going on in Africa at the moment'. Does he know no geography and the magnitude of the continent?

@GregoryBSadler

3 жыл бұрын

Probably not. It's surprising you'd be so shocked. Do you not know much about the vast differences in American K-12 education?

@nedks11

3 жыл бұрын

@@GregoryBSadler I do not unfortunately. I'm sorry I spoke poorly of one of you students. We all say things like that from time to time and I shouldn't have even mentioned it.

@GregoryBSadler

3 жыл бұрын

@@nedks11 That's all right. Since it is something that surprised and bothered you, this might be a good time to look into what K-12 education here in the US unfortunately looks like. You'll discover that unlike most developed countries, things are very decentralized here

Do you think that premise four of Thrasymachus’s argument for his definition of justice is true? Argue for your position, stating your argument in standard form

@GregoryBSadler

2 жыл бұрын

Here you go! kzread.info/dash/bejne/gYqTtpp-ndzMZqw.html

Don't the ancients warn against mixing thought and action. Wouldn't Plato be against applying philosophy.

To say as a philosopher "justice is the advantage of the powerful" is silly. But as a historian, as a sociologist... I don't think so. Has history from Plato until today proved otherwise? "Justice" is just a word whose meaning is socially determined. Always there is a dominant group in society - the "rulers", the "masters", be it a political and/or economic elite, a social class, an ethnic group, etc. or just a person and his henchmen. And they usually determine the dominant/official/politically correct (no pun intended) discourse/narrative in the society. They indoctrinate us on what is "just". The historical narrative that we are taught in school would have been very different if Hannibal, Varus, Abderame, Harold II, etc, etc, had won... It's just winners' history!

@GregoryBSadler

9 жыл бұрын

Yeah. . . I've heard this sort of thing before. "Has history from Plato until today proved otherwise?" Sure, because the history of ideas -- and the ways in which we think about them -- is also part of history. ""Justice" is just a word whose meaning is socially determined." Well, that's a pretty big claim. It certainly might hold in a tautological manner, where "justice" means something like "what people reduce 'justice' to". Tough to think of what might actually support such a sweeping assertion. . . Notice that when you do turn to history and really delve into it, or do carry out thoroughgoing sociological analyses, it turns out that rulers or elites are often quite conflicted about the contested term "justice" (remember, too Plato was part of an elite in Athens). And it usually turns out as well that their control over the culture is pretty tenuous.

@tomr719

9 жыл бұрын

Plato's Republic seeks to develop a more objective definition of justice, or at least examine if it is socially constructed. In Book 1's discussion of justice, some of the characters claim a position similar to yours and Plato & Socrates disagree. Plato might disagree that justice is socially determined. I think the point of justice is so that it isn't socially determined.

@D13GOR

9 жыл бұрын

Gregory B. Sadler I think it may be fair to say that a large part of Platos, or rather, Socrates' argument only holds true in an ideal, rather utopian world. In a pluralistic society, the best 'interests' of a ruler are impossible to identify. Is it in David Camerons interest to be loved by the poor, or by the rich - if he wants a job with them after he leaves government?; Let's say that growing up with privilege has led him to believe the latter. Many of us would say that is wrong, some would say he's right. Therefore, the actions taken by his government; e.g. lowering the standards of living of the poor and disabled, but more than doubling the 1%'s wealth may be seen as just to some and unjust to others. Justice is surely nothing but the accepted norm, as you said; what we reduce it to, which is often dictated by the most powerful; that is what I took Thrasymachus to mean and why I agreed. Is this not easily exemplified by the fact that some religious people believe child genital mutilation to be just (because it's the accepted norm of their society - dictated by those with authority in that religion and those who founded that religion) and others see it as the complete opposite of human rights. I don't think it's fair to broaden the argument to builders and physicians when on the topic of rulers. I would love if you could explain why I am or may be wrong?

@GregoryBSadler

9 жыл бұрын

Diego f very long block of text there with a lot of assertions and assumptions, and a few ambiguities thrown in. If you like, you can schedule a tutorial session with me, and we can go over it. Other than that, my time is becoming a pretty scarce commodity, so I might get to answering a bit of what you write here down the line

@D13GOR

9 жыл бұрын

Gregory B. Sadler My main issue was that if the strong don't know their own interests, thus proving T wrong, would it no be wrong also to say justice is the interest of the weakest, for not ruler, if unable to identify his own interests, could possibly identify the interest of others. Unless the main issue is the definition/function of the occupation e.g. the ruler is responsible for the well being of his people. And (unlike T) S still believes a ruler a ruler and a doctor a doctor when he makes a mistake. You don't have to answer, I completely understand you must be busy! Thank you. Needless to say I'm very new to this, and still need to finish reading the republic, that may be why I'm confused!

Hi Greg! Doesn’t this idea originate with Calicles, a pre-Socratic philosopher (Sophist, I think), who said something along the lines that the reason law should be based on “might makes right” is because it forces the “strong” to tolerate the “weak” to (eventually) come to power whereas in Nature the strong prevail? I understand and acknowledge your counterarguments here, but how can you counterargue (or how does Plato counterargue) based on Calices’ position?

@GregoryBSadler

11 ай бұрын

Callicles isn’t a philosopher. He’s a character in Plato’s Gorgias Nobody is the person the “idea originated with”. It’s rather silly to be focusing on that here

Don't use "Africa" as an example when your own military is plagued with these issues. please and thank you. no disrespect to the prof, just felt the need to add the comment.

@GregoryBSadler

6 жыл бұрын

Kinda late to the game here, you realize, if you see when this was recorded. I'll likely keep on using whatever examples occur to me when I teach. And, buddy, I'm a vet, so I kinda know firsthand about problems the American military has had

@assiarami662

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, I realize I'm late but you've left the video up to help people in the future, and it really has. As for the comment, I was actually referring to the students example. I was only trying to point out a stereotype to anyone else who was reading the comments.

@GregoryBSadler

6 жыл бұрын

Those students have long since graduated. Glad you enjoy the videos