Red exists to sell Force, Rival and Apex. The whole SRAM marketing strategy for the lower tier groupsets is "just as good, a little heaver, much cheaper". Which...is all absolutely true.

Tavelo Attack owner here: It's freaking fantastic. And paired with my set of Craft Racing Works CS5060 wheels it's the lightest bike I've tested. Lighter than my Giant Propel Advanced pro. You can easily get this bike down to 6.8kg and lighter. My only criticism is the frame could use a little more reach in the geometry department. I have long arms. Thankfully Tavelo's latest release with their Arrow frameset completely solves that issue for me. I'm really tempted to get that frame in hand and donor all the components and wheels from my Tavelo Attack.

@SamuelBlackMetalRider

2 ай бұрын

170mm stem like the pros now brother!!

@7zot

2 ай бұрын

Did they publish the geo or are you judging by the photos?

@mbastos1000

2 ай бұрын

You cracked that fork dude! No lies! 😮😮😮

@marginatux

2 ай бұрын

Where can I get info on their new frameset? Thanks

@Chazz4804

2 ай бұрын

Yes, info please.

Listening to Chris’s personal experience (47 mins) in, around sponsorship is a brutal reality. Absolute props for the honesty here.

@ChrisMillerCycling

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Michael. Really appreciate you taking it the right way. I hate talking about it because I don’t want to be negative when it comes to bike racing, or come across as a sook. But this new structure has the potential of putting another person in the same difficulty me and my family were put in … and that worries me.

@paulw677

2 ай бұрын

@@ChrisMillerCycling good to hear your experience with national racing and sorry it caused so much grief. It's a shame that there wasn't more consultation with a broader range of stakeholders before deciding on the format. Sounds like more $$ will be wasted

@camleigh6660

2 ай бұрын

Jobs for the boys…… love it 💸

You boys are spot on when it comes to the way cycling in countries like Australia and the US need to operate at the development level. We were having this conversation the other day. As Director of a new Domestic Elite Team in the USA, there is no point in trying to discuss ROI to potential sponsors. Even the most visible teams in the USA like Legion have no visibility or reach outside of the racing community. It has to be approached with a mindset of sponsors doing it out of charity and trying to increase accessibility and participation in the sport. ROI can't happen until the sport becomes less niche and has much more public and visible participation.

@ChrisMillerCycling

2 ай бұрын

Well said mate

On the endurance bike chat, I'm a young guy riding a aluminium cannondale synapse, starting to do a few races events etc this season. My first event was an hour long university TTT, and talking with my teammates afterwards I realised that while I was not the most aero, I was able to hold a better position and put down the power with less discomfort. I'm just racing for fun really and am very realistic about my prospects, and riding on UK roads especially there's a lot of advantages to training on an endurance bike here. If I keep racing in seasons to come, I'd look at getting something a bit more aggressive, but I think it makes getting into riding in that way a lot more accessible, especially from a budget/entry level standpoint.

the discussion about aus domestic racing was top notch. US listener here and no add'l context was necessary - it's just enjoyable to listen to you guys discuss something you're knowledgable and passionate about

I enjoyed the endurance bike discussion a lot. I'm a proud 63 year-old, diabetic, artificially-hipped MAMIL who's never raced and who has loved bikes and bicycling since I was a FKIW (fat kid in wool) and Merckx was in the peloton. It would be insane for me to choose a road (or any) bike with any other top consideration than comfort. Comfort means more riding, faster riding, better fitness, and a greater ability to keep pace with my riding companions. There's an inherent problem with bike brands positioning $10-$15k unicorns as tent-pole brand icons. It may be that the end of the endurance "moment" has overlapped with the rise of the gravel bike as the dominant force in bicycle retailing. Canyon did really well with the Endurace by marketing its attributes. Gravel bikes may be an easier sell, because right out of the chute, they're more appropriate in terms of geometry, gearing, and tire clearance for more people. I'm building up my second gravel bike. I last built up a road bike in 2021, today...I'd probably just skip that exercise entirely and just have a set of road wheels for the gravel bike.

MAMIL here! I completely agree with your sentiments about Endurance bikes. I recently moved from a Trek Emonda that weighed to 6.6 kg to a Trek Domane that weighs closer to 9 kg (that includes my flat repair kit in the downtube). Not only is the Domane more comfortable and capable, it is just as fast everywhere except steep climbs. I really wish the industry did a better job of marketing these bikes. Maybe we should start calling them GT (Grand Touring) bikes to steal some marketing from sports cars. 😀

@pierrex3226

2 ай бұрын

The GT is a great idea

@bsbbernal

2 ай бұрын

Grand Touring is an AMAZING idea. It's so good that companies should pay you if they actually adopt it.

@timtaylor9590

2 ай бұрын

who cares? if you were comfortable on your emonda would you need to buy a domane? for the newbs that dont know what they need is better for the brands to sell them the highest end shit anyway.

@zazzleman

2 ай бұрын

Love those bikes. Got a BMC Roadmachine but want an Emonda.

@mortigard

2 ай бұрын

@@timtaylor9590 Oh Timmy, you obviously care since you took the time to comment on my post. But, to answer your question, my Emonda developed a crack and Trek gave me a nice store credit, which is why I ended up with the Domane.

absolutely right on it. bring on subsidised races with Fondo, Amateur, and Pro categories! That would be epic and would get me shelling out cash for some epic rides. Use the money to get creative with the events as well. I'd love to see an arthurs seat hill climb, an albert park crit, a closed circuit loop in sorrento, an out and back from city to surf to city. Get the prices of these events down to $100 or less and the masses will come!

Biggest surprise: learning Chris is 42 years old. Dang you look great for that age!

@out_spocken

2 ай бұрын

I'd argue that's how you should look at 42 lol...and that it's a lot of other people that don't stay healthy and fit that age 'badly'.

@ChrisMillerCycling

2 ай бұрын

❤️

@ignore-fv7rc

2 ай бұрын

mitochondrial benefit (fountain of youth) of being a life-long cyclist

I would also have the same problems with aching legs in the evening after a big day on the bike. Saw a doctor about it and they diagnosed me with restless legs syndrome. They told me to take magnesium before bed and it genuinely helped with my aching legs. I’ve also found stretching before bed makes a massive difference to relax my legs

@spiderscomics1180

2 ай бұрын

You did it the right way - had an issue, had it diagnosed and then applied a treatment. Unfortunately the supplement industry is built upon 'fixing' issues that don't actually exist (or are self diagnosed!) - here take a tonne of this particular chemical it'll 'fix' or even 'improve' you as we've discovered a 'secret life hack'. It 's irresponsible and the whole industry exists because it's unregulated. Well done for doing it the the correct way! Folks, if you have an issue, go to a doctor and get blood work done - you can have your cholesterol, diabetes, testosterone, Prostate-Specific-Antigen all done at the same time - and magnesium levels will be delivered to you without even asking!

@breathestrongcycling3672

2 ай бұрын

thanks for the tip, sounds like my symtoms 👍

Some real beef between Nero and Dave Arthur haha!

@ebsalonga

2 ай бұрын

It’s been quite a trend in the show haha they better get Dave on the show instead 😂

I think endurance bikes have a future; they just need a rebrand. TCR/Propel = race bikes. Defy = road bike. I like the Defy in particular as it doesn't have gimmicks like suspension or snack boxes. Just a very light and comfortable bike- a MAMIL's dream. Its geometry is only like 10-15mm away from something like the Aethos, which with a little more stack is exactly how high end road bikes should be designed and marketed IMO.

12 years ago I bought a Look 566. The advertisement said, "Ride a century on Saturday. Race it on Sunday. This bike does it all." I rode many centuries on it and a dozens races. It's a great bike.

Loved you guys displaying real passion over your domestic racing scene. Sometimes a real rant means you really really care. Great show, best wishes.

Chris, I'm 41 and I've got to say the endurance bike is now probably about the perfect frame type. I had a super aggressive TCR last year, and it coincided with a major herniated disc issue in my back, that I am still suffering the effects of (still have a numb foot/toe, burning sensation in legs). After moving on from this, I went to a giant propel. Its much more comfortable, mainly due to the reach and more 'level' top tube and stack height, but it strangely feels slow for me. I just cant get it rolling at as fast a speed as any of my other bikes (including a canyon endurace). From there, I move to a giant defy, and I'm straight back into my fastest riding, ever.... it just moves at speed, and I don't need to 'work' at it. It's comfy, fast and also looks great.

@rowemeister83

2 ай бұрын

as I side note, I also purchased a giant revolt x advanced pro 0 - with 45m tyres - and that is also very comfortable and fast. Its around 15% slower that my road bike, on road surfaces, and insanely faster on gravel (of course). So if I went 30kms ph on my tcr, I manage around 26kms ph on the road on a full suspension gravel bike, with huge tyres, for the same wattage. I can live with that. I'm considering ditching the road bikes, and staying gravel.

I enjoyed their chat about improving domestic racing scene in Australia. I think the same would apply to the US.

Chris + Jesse on the SL8 review: "I hate being fed the marketing spiel" Chris + Jesse on the Defy review: "Give me the marketing spiel" 🤣😂🤣😂

I agree with Chris - there is no difference between a "race bike" and an "endurance bike" other than what the manufacturers label the bike. I can achieve the same body position with either frame. It doesnt matter if the "race bike" allows you to get into a more aero position if you can only hold that position for a few minutes.

Embargo date lifts on May 15th on new SRAM Red

The amount of people I see here (NL, so lotsa tall people) on low stack frames, that then rock full spacers and stem that is basically upright is crazy. Most people don't race, but the 'standard' bike is one with geometry similar to people 20kgs lighter that do this for a living. I love my defy. Its actually kinda fun to be able push hard in such an upright position lots of more fun than I had on my old bike which was completely unsuitable for me.

@WerdnaLiten

2 ай бұрын

That' s because they want to be like the pros.....Look at the comments by Bikefit James regarding this.

Thank you for acknowledging endurance bikes are just fine for racing. I have a defy because I have short arms and long legs and the geo fits me better. But go compare the geo and what will you find? The tcr is 10mm longer reach, 20mm shorter stack, and 0.5 deg steeper HTA. That's almost nothing. These bikes are very similar. You could probably setup a defy like a tcr and vice versa with the right spacers/stem combo.

@gregmorrison7320

2 ай бұрын

Yes! I have a TCR and I have a Synapse that I raced for years, the setup is exactly the same! The Synapse has no headset spacers, the TCR has maybe 20mm, but the reach, drop etc all end up the same.

@davidgeorge9233

2 ай бұрын

Those geometry differences may be significant for some riders though, could make or break the bike. You can put on a shorter stem but adding stack height isn’t so easy.

@reid3737

2 ай бұрын

@@davidgeorge9233 It's true, they are different, but my point is they aren't crazy different to the point where there is no overlap. There is quite a bit of overlap. And your point definitely stands for me. I use nearly every bit of my Defy's stack height, only a few spacers on top of the stem.

The reason that I would (and do) ride an endurance bike is because it fits me and the style of riding that I do. I don't see an endurance bike as a compromise in any way, rather I am at an advantage because I am riding the right bike for me.

Thanks boys for some truth telling about racing. Most clubs cannot afford to run races anymore due to astronomical costs associated for measures imposed by government departments (e.g. closures). Changing the road calendar dates may also impact on other cycling disciplines.

As someone who has been working in Giant stores for the last ten years I can tell you I love the three Defys I have had. TCR is great and just quietly the TCX makes a killer road bike ( have had 6). I feel the Defy is so underrated mainly because of strangely worded and presented reviews full of preconceived ideas and assumptions based on misconceptions. The issue that rarely gets discussed in online reviews is the importance of stack, reach, headtube angle and wheelbase in regards to total ride experience. IMHO saving 20 watts here or there is nothing if you are bleeding energy through vibration and overly aggressive positions. I couldn't get a Defy when I needed to get a new bike so I have set my TCR up with wider tyres, 0 degree shorter stem and sorry Dave it doesn't make it a Defy. I love the TCR and love the Defy. Both sit comfortably next each other in the Giant road bike range.

Hi guys, loved the episode as always. Just a comment: The “On Air” neon sign is really quite bright and I think it’d look better if it were to be left off on the pod. No worries if you think otherwise and thanks again for the show!

You guys really nailed it today - very honest debate on the local racing scene based on real experience with some practical suggestions - perhaps this should have been fed back to the marketing focus groups (if they even exist).

Totally agree about race series and sponsors. I think the starting point in Aus is to get sponsors for races so the entry fees are low. Keep race formats simple and avoid teams, this allows any talent to have a go. Triathlon NSW has this for juniors, a series of 5-6 races at minimal cost and a generous sponsor who get no ROI but do it for the development of the sport.

"It's like he almost had an original thought..." - what an original way to insult someone :)

Ltwoo took advice and have started product versions for their erx groupset. The updates to the current version is called “black” and apparently there is a new update coming later this year called the “blue” version. I’d chat to Joe about getting your hands on the next gen for the build. Also, rip rim brake Jesse. Hand the keys back to Durianrider.

Home from work. Turbo on. Listen to the lads. Now that’s a Wednesday evening 👍🏻

Love the passion on the Aussie domestic league plans. You guys have such wisdom - keep preaching! Pro cycling’s biz model is so stuffed ….Wrt endurance bikes, what’s really the big difference? I have an SL7 with some cm’s of spacers. Would def be keen to get a slightly more relaxed endurance version of the SL7 that I could ride slammed instead of w spacers. Would still be light, aero, etc. don’t understand why there have to be any compromises at all tbh. 🤷‍♂️

I don't think y'all are too hard on Dave. Honestly I watch more of his videos because I go back to see what you're talking about. Especially shilly episode today though lol.

Spot on with you're comments regarding NRS. We need more fondos to grow cycling and attach a 'race' to it. Real talent goes straight to Europe.

Great episode! Every subject hit the nail on the head for me. The magnesium supplementation, Jesse coming clean on the new (Arrow) bike build (I can really get behind this & look forward to the build series). The NRS discussion was top notch with no holding back. I found this the most informative & entertaining vid. Loved every minute of it! Keep up the great work 👍

@ChrisMillerCycling

2 ай бұрын

Cheers Dazza!

That new Tavelo looks pretty good, gonna be interesting. I would go ultegra though.

@dazza9360

2 ай бұрын

Na stick with the full China build

Bam!!! Always look forward to yalls podcast. Even my wife who has no interest in cycling sits to watch with interest!! Keep up the good work

Remember when you guys absolutely dunked on the Vitus Venon for being a "do-it-all" bike that can be an endurance road or gravel bike in one? But now you say the Defy or the endurance bike in general will die because it will get squeezed out by gravel bikes. It's funny how things can swing back around :D. My Vitus Venon GR is an awesome gravel bike and I don't know why anyone would buy an endurance bike over a Venon that can take 45mm tires. Love the show, keep it up.

They are the most expensive, but Trek is the only seller of bikes that has the best crankset size for the frame size. Giant 170mm on an XS. What a crock.

Dan at GCN predicted pros will start adopting a more upright position as they have with aero TT bikes. Trending more towards arms and hands positioned narrow and crouched (arms bent ala the old Belgium style?). Slammed stems with hands low and straight arms being less aero. Resulting in endurance models become race models?

@jochembeumer2673

2 ай бұрын

Depends on the type of race, for criterium races it does make sense to have low hands for stability and cornering. But for longer pro races, it makes sense to have a more upright position.

If the Jesse's fallback is to go with Ultegra it would make sense to do the build with a crankset that has the Shimano compatible 24mm axle such as the Magene power meter one. That would save the hassle of changing bottom brackets if the step to Ultegra is warranted. Admittedly it likely would come in a bit heavier but still the Magene cranks are reasonably close in weight to Ultegra ones.

Keen to see how the bike build goes. I am building up a Winspace Agile with magene cranks, LTWOO eRX group set and elite wheels. Full build 6500 AUD

@richardggeorge

2 ай бұрын

Wow. Sounds great! I just bought a rear wheel (Syncros RR2.0 made by dt swiss) + 105 11SPD cassette + schwable marathon 32c tyre all for the grand sum of aud$30 from gumtree as I just exploded the rear hub in my 16 year old SRAM wheel 😂

I can see your passion in the race scene. Great conversation and maybe it will get to the right people

Support ist kein Mord! Greetings from Germany!

I just built up a Defy SL. I was riding an Emonda SLR H1 for 7 years prior. Its sooooo much more comfortable. Its right around 15lbs, maybe a hair over (with Magene powermeter cranks). So weight is similar. The higher bar position and slightly shorter reach is awesome. The geo difference isn't crazy (16mm shorter reach and maybe an 1" higher bar position). The reason I didn't build an aero or race bike is I'm doing more longer rides and less shorter rides. For me the lightweight endurance bike is a race bike (maybe not crits).

Endurance bikes need to be sold like luxury sedans vs sports cars. Both can go just as fast or faster but the endurance bikes is going to have a smoother ride

I can't wait to see Jesse go full steaming red rage when the ERX fails and glitches. Please keep the cameras running! 😆 I want Jesse to get 105Di2. Dead reliable and smooth. The weight is in the crankset, so if you skip that, it's nearly the equal of Ultegra. Big difference is no servowave or extra buttons. That way, we can get Jesse's honest feedback on the frameset and wheels.

@rodforney7184

2 ай бұрын

I also think he should stick with what he is comfortable with 100% as he probably will be using it on another frame at some point. As he wont be able to stay on rim brakes for much longer. 😢 If he uses LTWOO they should give him the group set, if it's as good as 105 his review would mean a lot for many potential buyers. While I get the low cost approach he is using I think Trace Velo has already shown unless you have some mechanical aptitude these may not be the best choices. While I don't know for sure, from what I gather Chris and Jesse are not mechanically inclined.

@ChrisMillerCycling

2 ай бұрын

Let’s just pray I have a camera for that magic moment

Hope you guys talk about what we saw at Roubaix and the obvious doping. Not just the performamce but how calm and fresh he looked less than 3mins after finish

Simply a great chat. Well done. Your lived experience outside of the bubble is a great perspective.

@ChrisMillerCycling

2 ай бұрын

Cheers mate

Love the passion you both have for the sport of cycling

Iam 55, doing no races, but I love the aggressive geo of a race bike. Same is my wife with 51 she is riding an Oltre XR4 and absolutely love it. Race bikes are so much comfy and forgiving these days.

New bike day is always a good day! Looking forward to your new bike Jesse!

"They" need to engage with the councils of the big cities and make cycling races a community event. They shut down roads for council festivals once a year, why can't they shut down a little course in an inner city suburb and make a small cycling festival. Do this every week/month showcasing a new council. Creates more cycling events, boosts local engagement, and hopefully makes the sport more popular. Just something ive been thinking of lately...

The computer review at the end was great an honest review tank you...

MAMIL here as well. I struggled for a bike as I wanted road feel and snappiness but a more relaxed fit for long days in the saddle and for bike packing. I almost got the Defy but opted for the Revolt and I could not be more happy with my decision. I have extra wheelsets for road, gravel and CX. So I am just swapping out wheelsets. And my gearing is dialed with 1X from road(high speed group rides) to climbing mountains. Unless you have tons of cash to get the N+1 for bikes which I do. I opted for the 1 bike solution outside of my 3 MTB's.

Absolutely shocked to hear Chris does not use a wearable!!! Garmin Fenix is amazing at tracking sleep and recovery! I love mune

I feel like endurance bikes are the right bike for most people! I always recommend anyone who got in to cycling with hybrid bikes and wants a faster bike buy an endurance frame.

Great insights and comments on the new domestic cycling series, thanks guys.

@ChrisMillerCycling

2 ай бұрын

Cheers Mark

I like the on air led! Great discussion this week.

@54:00 as a Scotsman currently under a thick layer of ice, i know nothing about your domestic scene.. I do however know that i didnt care who won the TdU, what i did watch every second of was the Bathurst 12hr. So would it make sense to run amateur 2hr, 4hr, 6hr, 12hr, and 24hr races on your local motor racing curcuits? You only have Wallunga hill that us over here know about, but i could name you 5,6,8 Australian car racing tracks. ROI might happen if these races are at known (and safe) venues. Keep up the good work.m

@haydenjames1391

2 ай бұрын

I have raced a 24hr event called revolve held on "The Bend" motorsport track but they lost the event to the track booking out all the dates as cycling bringing the least amount of money to any other sports on the tracks

You guys nailed it on the domestic cycling races. I hope there will be more discussions about this to help our potential talents to grow and compete at international level.

Could not agree more on the endurance bike chat! I'm someone who has a crap back and not very flexible. However, I love to go as fast as I can and feel like any chat associated with endurance bikes is essentially how bloody slow they are! Loving your work, keep pushing the message.

I love the idea of an aggressive road bike that will take a 35mm slick race tire. That’s the premise behind the Enve Melee.

Thanks for the honesty and openness Chris! We know Jesse’s primary job, what else do you do for income Chris? Great episode guys. 👍🏼

@ChrisMillerCycling

2 ай бұрын

Still do quite a bit of editing for Upwork, coupled with the two kids, my wife has a “normal” office job, so that’s my responsibility … oh and this Nero show thing, I do all the pre-post production, and now we have show parters, I manage that.

Good stuff. Look forward to seeing your full Chinese Build. WELL WORTH pursuing

Endurance bike screams 'Sunday long ride'. The pitch should be storage for tools & spares, extra bottle holders, comfortable, on board nutrition storage yet still fast. I think canyon Endurace is nailing it in this segment (coming from a Defy owner)

Bought the Ltwoo ERX in Jan this year and everything is surprisingly good. The 3 biggest gripes i have with this groupset is 1. I wish the shift buttons were more pronounced, sometimes you don't know if it's been pressed or not. 2. There is no setting to do seqential shiifting like Sram 3. Customer service is absolutely non-existent. Other than that is has been working great.

Been on my attack with CRW 50 / 60's for 3000 km now, bike bike hasnt put a foot wrong, many long standing PR's tumbled, love the stiffness. Also running the Cybrei cranks and a Chinese 3D printed saddle. Currently 7.3kg with pedals in size M. I'm running Ultegra Di2 8070 11 speed though. The Arow looks like it's gonna be more aero and compliant just based on the deep headtube and slimmer rear end, positive changes both ways hopefully, will confirm after testing.

I own both a TCR and a Defy (older models). My TCR has 26s, my Defy has 28. They are both set up with almost identical riding positions, and the Defy is way more comfortable.

I'd love to see the full china build! It will be very fast, no doubt, just be aware, that especially the groupset might not be quite as set and forget like Shimano or SRAM would be.

Try that groupset GC Performance just did a video on.

What a great Show - love the comments especially getting more riders involved / put money to run races / reduce the F..n overheads. To me (I'm just an older cyclist who also likes to race), make it accessible to more people which increases participation & as a result more watching. I want to watch racing live & the best way for this is a circuit eg Nationals @ Buninyong or a number of years ago around Albert Park etc So many great riders dont get the chance to excel as the family budget doesn't allow for it. Well done guys - keep up the great work. I love your passion.

@ChrisMillerCycling

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Shaun

Me as AFIB boy is a big believer in Mg. It is a cofactor in over 300 biochemical processes in our bodies.

Regarding the new Tavelo: the frond end is almost a 1:1 copy of the Stevens Arcalis, the rear end is the old Tavelo. Also Bross is finally starting to move with overseas distribution. There's a thread with more details on it on weightweenies.

Speed sniffer. Cracks me up everytime. White line fever for Jessie's new steed

One of the 1500, loved the race weekend videos, miss having the conduit to the domestic racing scene that is otherwise invisible outside the local crit. Found the talk about supporting the races & riders fascinating, & support the ideas around reducing the barriers to entry. I would follow an NRS equivalent if it was available to be followed, & attend a circuit race in my part of town (ACT). Stromlo crit, Black Mtn Hill climb TT, Parliamentary triangle circuit road race. As a previous volunteer on a now folded NRS team, the racing is great to watch, just not available to be. If it was my money, I’d give it to you blokes to have a crack. Keep up the good work on the show.

I can't wait to see this

Come on guys Dave is about the biggest industry schill out there!

I'm 6'2 with very long legs and like to ride fast, endurance bikes just fit me the best. I don't think they feel slow at all when properly built.

@peters8504

2 ай бұрын

Same here…

14:55 yes! This is the basic definition of Defy - if you are just starting and want to try a little bit of everything then Defy is your choice. In a few years you can swap it for something more specific.

So behind the full china build. Get it done! (EXS Aerover handlebar if you can get one is mega, as a tip)

Your discussion of that proposed racing series and its pitfalls provided good background and insight, and I agree that it would be so much better to dial down the overhead and make it more user accessible for all ages and experience levels, with some pure puttering for the younger set and their parents. And that was a cool thing about the movie Breaking Away, the community-style races which were held for a time here in the States. And I got to participate in a few of them, too, and they were so much fun, competitions for competitors of all ilks, just run your basic 10-speed and pretend you're a pro. And my first of those was in Frankfurt in August 1975, a race in downtown Frankfurt for American teen military dependents and it was organized by the USO with free 7-Up goodies for each participant, plus, woohoo, one of those orange safety flags on a pole for mounting on the rear axle or something. And I wore a special T-shirt for the occasion, a brand-new STP T-shirt. I had to look the part. 😀

Listening to you talk about gearing is making me laugh. After more than a decade without riding much, I've been getting back into it but when I was last riding much, I was racing for a boutique Southern California shop so my bike's an aggressively fit Colnago with Super Record on it so I'm equally pained by the thought of swapping out nostalgic components, and the thought of trying to push my old gearing 😅

Enjoy the content a lot, Starting a "Super Thanks" donation to get Jesse on a better group for his new bike.

I went to buy a new defy last week, as a fun/exercise bike. Im 50 and had my homework done. The dealer tried to up sell me the tcr di2. He just happened to have my size in tcr in stock. Tried to convince me defy was no good. Wont mention any names at the foot of the mountains. Got the shits and walked out. Now pissed off with giant and dealers and still on my old bike. Glad it happened. Now finding the bike i want on bike exchange at 30%discount.

99% of online reviewers are hyper-fit professionals, Crit racers or ex-racers. They have no problem on race geometry bikes. I would estimate a majority of road bike purchasers, increasing, in the over 35 group, like riding "fast" but do not race at all.

@specialblend218

2 ай бұрын

I agree 100%, the bike reviewers don't really match the average buyer. It would be nice to see a channel that had a few different reviewers (age, size, power, etc...).

I don’t think it will be long before the endurance category gets dropped in favour of a more racy gravel/all road bike. As a guy who owns a Revolt Advanced Pro and the previous Defy Advanced Pro they ride very similarly and there is very little speed lost with the gravel bike with a descent wheel and tyre combo. Plus with the added ability to go off road it’s a bike that will suit more riders. I’ve also owned the TCR and it was sensationally quick but as a mamil I used to find it far too low and long to ride for any period of time so sold it shortly after.

@justinschultz4325

2 ай бұрын

I'm 42 years old. I had a TCR, and I enjoyed it. But, I currently have a Felt Breed (Adventure) bike with road slicks. I prefer the more forgiving geometry.

Great call … Jesse this is a great adventure - to watch! If you ride the bike competitively in anger with positive performance results it’ll be the biggest thing this channel has done to bring “China brands/Panda Podium” to the western market. My query would be, if Giant (possibly Trek) etc are forced to drop prices post pandemic boom times in late 24, then there is a real possibility a like for like bike from such a brand can be picked up. Let’s see..,

When the embargo is lifted, we all know what all reviewers will say…. Specially Dave “ This is the smoothest, most aero thing I have ridden” yep 😂

So while I was listening to this on Spotify, there was a Spotify Ad inserted right in the middle of your ad 🤔 seemed odd. And yes I listened to this again. Not enough Nero Show in a week 😂

IGPsport announced a new unit, the iGS800, a couple weeks ago. Looks good on paper but not out in the wild yet.

@ChrisMillerCycling

2 ай бұрын

Yeh I saw that, no more information other than that promo video.

G'day Jessie & Chris, I have a little inside info for you. Although the Tavelo Arrow is a more aero than the Tavelo Attack, depending on your frame size the geometry is slightly less aggressive. For this reason, I wouldn't be surprised if the Tavelo Attack would be a better race bike? Also, their frame weights seem to be heavier than advertised on the Panda website. I have built a Tavelo Attack with Cybrei carbon cranks, CRW 5060 wheels, Avian super lightweight handlebar & a Durace groupset. The bike weights 6.5kg. If you were to build a Canyon to be 6.5kg it would probably cost you well over $10000. Also, I own a Canyon Aeroad and when it comes to feel, the Tavelo feels every bit as good. the Tavelo is now my preferred race bike for road races. In terms of building a tavelo frame, the seatpost mount for the saddle is fiddly until you work it out but the rest is straight forward. Another thing I would try is the Cybrei 54/38 chainring with an 11/34 cassette on the back. This combination provides you with plenty of gears at both ends. In terms of price, if you can wait for the Black Friday sales in November, you will save thousands. Just sharing my thoughts.

@ChrisMillerCycling

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for that info man! Will take a closer look at all those specs.

Got to admit I got the Pillar triple magnesium tablets based on a previous video of yours (so yes advertising works :) ). I'm a really poor sleeper, 60 years old with the usual trips to the bog overnight :). I wear a whoop and have noticed a considerable (not marginal) difference to my sleep since taking the tablets. I've gone from getting between 4 - 6 hours to getting 8 hours. I'm actually getting into the green recovery area on the whoop more consistently whilst still being able to get 14hours+ of riding a week. Nothing else of my routine has changed

Sub UCI weight limit with pedals and 50/60mm wheels, EASY. Send me your credit card info, I'll handle the rest.

@michprent

2 ай бұрын

Hi joe. Are the crw wheels in stock soon?

@ChinaCycling

2 ай бұрын

In stock now! @@michprent

Could selling the Aero vs the Endurance bike in the LBS be due to the guys doing to selling being drawn to the racing bike because that's the life stage they are in? Notwithstanding the customer bias (from marketing and watching the pros) it could be overcome by establishing a rapport with the buyer and understanding what their riding requirements are.

Tavelo Arrow looks a lot like a Giant Propel. Probably a great bike. Looking forward to your thoughts about the frame.

Magnesium glycinate supps have been great for my sleep as I ramped up training stress

Love my Canyon Endurace. Long weekend rides at a good pace solo are terrific. I only Fondo so no real racing besides with the boys but we are all on Endurance bikes so who cares. If I want to go faster I can lose 20lbs or train harder. Only sitting around 280ftp so the bike is the least of my problems haha

The language around endurance bikes is indeed frustrating, the reason it’s this way is because the industry and the “reviewers” don’t seem to realise there are people in the market for bikes that are a bit more upright and comfortable whilst still being fun and fast. Endurance bikes are I believe marketed as something for people who want every ride to be a 60-100 mile marathon with slower tyres and weight not being an issue, the reality is that for most mere mortals the extra stack and shorter reach just makes the bike easier on the back and neck. Cade media’s “Bike fit Tuesdays” series confirms this with James stating that most people are on bikes too long for them because the industry wants to sell “Race” to people. My suggestion would be as follows using Giant as an example, scrap the Defy and create two versions of the TCR, a race version and and a GT version using the Defy geometry. This works fine in the car industry where you can buy more focussed versions of car models eg a Porsche 911 GT3 compared to a 911 Carrera.

Specialized Roubaix: Smooth is fast.