Every team should exploit weaknesses like that when the defense shifts. Eventually they'll get back to playing normal ball again because it won't be worth the losses "just in case" He pulls it,etc...because battters are going to be exploiting those holes too.

@micahsilverman5284

9 ай бұрын

agree it should be exploited but you're living a pipe dream if you think it'll "go back to normal". The % of time players were shifted on just kept going up until this rule change. Meanwhile, taking advantage of this very specific situation once in a while is not worth anywhere near the value gained by the shift. Obviously, if players could just hit the ball the other way against a shift, they'd have been doing it their whole career. But if you haven't noticed, hitting is as bad as ever this millenium (until the rule changes this year)

I'm so happy to see this happen. I said this was going to become the best possible offensive strategy once the new rules came out, and the stars finally aligned for it to happen. This is 1000% the defense's fault: once your pitcher has stepped off twice, just move F5 back to the vicinity of the bag and just pitch the damn ball.

I'd like to see a pitch out with the 3rd baseman breaking to cover, initiating a rundown on the secondary lead.

@MrConverse

9 ай бұрын

Or have the left fielder sneak in!

@nacoran

9 ай бұрын

I suspect the left fielder is probably shaded to the right side too, and an alert base coach might spot them, but that would be worth a shot, and would make for an epic clip. 3rd baseman or left fielder, you'd want to put it on as a play where, if the pitcher didn't think he could get them he'd throw a pitchout to avoid the balk.@@MrConverse

With two outs, I would’ve intentionally walked the batter to load the bases, to potentially give the pitcher a better peace of mind with a right handed hitter on deck. Would’ve allowed the 3B to better cover the bag to limit the base runner from cheating so far down the line.

@zachansen8293

9 ай бұрын

I would have just told the pitcher not to balk in a run.

@derosa1989

9 ай бұрын

@@zachansen8293 I would have told the 3rd baseman to not stray so far from the bag

Shifts shouldn’t be illegal. Put your defensive players wherever you want. Hitters can hit the ball wherever they want too but if they always hit it to the same place, put your defense there. What’s the problem?

@tchevrier

9 ай бұрын

I agree with you. I don't really understand why the rule was changed.

@bernier42

9 ай бұрын

This is an excellent point, if it was still 2022. The rule has changed. Accept it and move on.

@MrConverse

9 ай бұрын

@@bernier42, why can't we lobby for a better game?

@MrConverse

9 ай бұрын

@@tchevrier the rule was changed to produce more hits. My issue is that they should have told hitters to be better players and learn to hit the ball all over the field instead of over-specializing and only being able to hit it in one spot. Fewer rules, more strategy = better game!

@nacoran

9 ай бұрын

I remember watching a video over on Fuzzy's channel talking about it being hard to bunt against major league pitching, but except for guys who do it regularly, most bunt attempts you see the batters screw up the basic footwork that I learned in Little League. They square around with the wrong foot. Of course no who doesn't do it regularly can bunt one down the line to beat the shift... they aren't even in practice enough to get the basic footing down. I used to love messing around with fielders in our backyard games as a kid because I could take it the other way and we were usually playing with just a few players, creating the same issues as shifts. I took a softball class in college for fun and remember getting really upset with the coach- whenever we didn't have enough players he'd ban taking the ball the other way... I was like, at least give us the option to tell them which way we want to hit it. @@MrConverse

Good stuff!

I mean, that's just bad play. What did stepping off the first two times accomplish? It's the same thing as running on a full count--there are consequences to the choices you make, and those were dumb choices. (It may also have been dumb strategy, but that's a different question.) Rules working as intended. Players will learn. Eventually.

@derosa1989

9 ай бұрын

stepping off was a poor choice. But with a full count, Bassitt seemed too focused on not walking the batter. He should have just walked him, and then had another shot with a fresh count, and possible force play at any base.

It’s amazing the broadcasters still say “it’s a balk” and not a “violation”

He didn't think that one through.

@FactsMatter

9 ай бұрын

No time to think about that with a pitch clock. Baseball is no longer about an intelligent chess match, it's about who can abuse the rules that dramatically changed the original game - to their advantage.

@stephenbeck7222

9 ай бұрын

@@FactsMatterwhat abuse of rules here? And do you think pitchers haven’t been ‘abusing’ the rules for decades - spit balls, sticky stuff, etc.

@FactsMatter

9 ай бұрын

@@stephenbeck7222 Maybe you're not aware of the mind games and timing plays that have invaded baseball since the pitch clock...

@matrixphijr

Ай бұрын

@@FactsMatter "Since" the pitch clock? Think you may want to reconsider that one.

Personally, I like the college disengagement rule better, where the pitcher gets one "reset" for the clock. I'm not sure if there is a pick off limit in college, but I don't think there is.

Yep

I hate the way the new rules have been implemented, but let's be clear: this is a shift problem, not a pitch clock problem.

About the play, kind of youth league move.

I have a question: if (1) the pitcher has used his 2 disengagements, (2) there exists a runner on third base, and (3) the third baseman has shifted as seen in this video, what’s to prevent the runner from stealing home? The pitcher obviously can’t disengage again…so how can the defense prevent the apparent free run?

@FactsMatter

9 ай бұрын

He can disengage a 3rd time IF he makes an out. If he doesn't make an out, like in this case, only then is it a balk.

@zachansen8293

9 ай бұрын

The pitcher CAN disengage again, they just have to get the runner out. That's why this wasn't a balked in run in the video until the runner was safely back to third - because if the pitcher had tagged him, the runner would have been out.

@mahasw777

9 ай бұрын

The pitcher can throw a pitch. If the catcher tags the runner before he gets to the plate, he’s out.

@bernier42

9 ай бұрын

To prevent baserunners from casually skipping along down the baseline while mocking the pitcher for being unable to do a damn thing about it, the rules allow a third disengagement but this time there are consequences if the pitcher doesn’t get an out. That’s why Lindsay mentioned the number of “free” disengagements.

@BASEBALLFURIES.

9 ай бұрын

moving the third baseman back over. i mean why shift if you keep stepping off anyway. just because you move over doesnt mean you cant move back. i mean, having 3 step offs and not moving the third baseman back just seems incredibly stupid

Came for baseball...staying for the chaos...lol

If he stepped off and threw to third would that still be a balk?

@lillyhilana666

9 ай бұрын

yes. that's a pickoff attempt, which counts as a disengagement. edit: if he gotten the out, the balk would not have been called.

@evanandersen64

9 ай бұрын

@@lillyhilana666 Okay that makes since.

@austin.draude

9 ай бұрын

He could have thrown to third, but since there was nobody there to catch it, the ball probably would have ended up in the camera well or something. If he'd thrown to the third baseman who was near where the shortstop usually plays, then it would be a conventional balk - a pitcher making a pickoff throw has to deliver it directly to a base.

At some point there are so many rules you are playing Fizzbin, not baseball. ;D

@dfscott62

9 ай бұрын

Never expected to see a Star Trek reference in a baseball video - well done, Captain!

Dumb on the shift. His hits were mostly over by 1st, no reason to move the shortstop and 3rd baseman.

Stupid rule. Bring back the shift. Pitch clock is cool though

The whole pitch clock thing needs to go the way of the Dodo bird.

@micahsilverman5284

9 ай бұрын

Well you are in the 15% of fans who don't like the pitch clock, per a recent poll from the MLB via Seton Hall polling

@williammaddock9179

9 ай бұрын

@@micahsilverman5284 I don't give a rip about polls. The pitch clock is insanely stupid and needs to go.

@micahsilverman5284

9 ай бұрын

@@williammaddock9179 I'm sure you don't care I'm just giving you facts and the facts are that you're opinion is a very unpopular one. Doesn't mean you need to change it, just acknowledge that most people don't agree with you

@teebob21

9 ай бұрын

PITCH CLOCK FOR PRESIDENT

@matrixphijr

Ай бұрын

@@williammaddock9179 _"Look at me, I'm William Maddock, I like long boring baseball games where players stand around doing nothing for 3 and a half hours because entertainment is overrated and I have nothing else in my life that requires any of my time!"_

This video reminded me of my favorite Abraham Lincoln quote: Bad laws, if they exist, should be repealed as soon as possible, still while they continue in force, for the sake of example, they should be religiously observed.

@nacoran

9 ай бұрын

It's a good rule. It solves several problems baseball was having. The problem is that it's always hard to get used to new rules when you've spent years playing with the old ones. There is a road near me that lowered it's speed limit from 55 to 45. I drove 55 (or more) on that road for years, and it's a hard habit to break.

@leomignault525

9 ай бұрын

@@nacoran what problem does the new rule solve? it's been nearly a whole season and I still haven't liked it once. all the arguments I heard yet are about getting the game to get faster.

@matrixphijr

Ай бұрын

@@leomignault525 Well the rule wasn't made for you to like it, so that's not the problem it's meant to solve, therefore not a valid argument against it. "Well I don't like it so it sucks." Completely irrelevant. The average length of a baseball game had ballooned to over 3 hours by the 2012 season and stayed that way for a decade, even getting as high as 3.11 hours (which is ~3 hours, 7 minutes). Since the rule was enacted, the average length of a game is down to 2.42 hours, or 2 hours, 25 minutes, which is of course nearly 40 minutes shorter. To argue against that being a good thing is absurdly foolish. Both the pitch clock and limit on pitcher disengagements have contributed to quicker games overall and keeping the action at the forefront.

@leomignault525

Ай бұрын

thanks for your reply. still is the same argument i already heard, about how to get the game faster. the rule wasnt made for me to like it, of course the rule was made for profit. but thats entertainment, and the game should be about people liking it. in my opinion thats making the game change in a way i dont like, contradiction with its soul of slowness and strategy. theres an internal logic to baseball, and new rules goes against it, making it an overcooked ratatouille with too many different veggies and spices. tastes nothing in the end. same goes for video challenges. to me, that doesn't belong in baseball. judgment is part of the game so much.

@leomignault525

Ай бұрын

@@matrixphijroh and more specifically on the event that we are interested in here... i'm a jays fan. so of course i don't like the rule here. if it had happened the other way, still wouldn't like it but i probably would have kept my mouth shut hehe

Watched that live, and I honestly can't fault the pitcher. I'd be frickin pissed at my team if they played a shift like that and just let the runner on third get 2/3rds of the way home. That was ridiculous.

@lillyhilana666

9 ай бұрын

int. walking the batter would have likely moved the guy back to 3rd. there were already 2 outs so any play at a base would end the inning.

Chris Bassitt's salary is only $565,000 so he's not expected to be able count to 3...=)

@nacoran

9 ай бұрын

Personally, I don't get out of bed to count unless I'm offered at least $200k per number, and time and a half for numbers I have to take off my shoes for.

@alexh8613

9 ай бұрын

What the hell are you talking about? Bassitt's salary is $19 million this season

@teebob21

9 ай бұрын

@@alexh8613 That's like.........18 million more reasons he should be expected of being capable of counting to three.

That’s all on the manager or the pitching coach should’ve called time and addressed it with that guy!

I like this rule in the regular season, but I would like to see unlimited disengagements (in addition to more time) in the postseason. I'd rather not miss out on moments like Dave Roberts vs. Mariano Rivera/Flash Gordon.

@zachansen8293

9 ай бұрын

There is no reason to change the rules for the playoffs. The games right now are great and if you're in the playoffs and don't know the rules, you deserve to be punished.

@bernier42

9 ай бұрын

Point taken, but if the new rules speed up 99% of games at the cost of an iconic moment once every two decades, I’ll take that deal every time.

Tump is gaining a little bit of weight ain’t he 😂😂😂

Wow...I'm so glad MLB put these disengagement rules in to help move the game along... This is not baseball. We no longer have professional baseball in the United States. This is something that looks a lot like professional baseball but has been engineered to meet a certain pace and time limit which has now negatively impacted how the game is played and its culture.

@route2070

9 ай бұрын

I don't mind it, stupid strategy by the defense is stupid. Same as to try to kill the shift, more bunts should be implemented. I mean, this would have been a good time for a squeeze.

@1969EType

9 ай бұрын

@@route2070 “That’s a balk!” …because you stepped off too many times? You can say you don’t mind it. It’s not pro baseball anymore.

@route2070

9 ай бұрын

@@1969EType Then pitch the ball. Play the game. Or don't move the 3rd baseman so far away.

@austin.draude

9 ай бұрын

​@route2070 it wasn't all that long ago - literally last year, in fact - that pro baseball meant actually making the decision not to pay too much attention to the runner or risking getting burned by the hitter for not paying enough attention to him. Ronald Acuna Jr doesn't have the only 30-60 season ever because he's suddenly having the kind of year that would make Jose Canseco blush. It's because stolen bases are cheap now.

@1969EType

9 ай бұрын

We must never forget PRO sports are business entertainment. They are not human competitions for us to establish who is best. Pro sports exist to make money.

These new pitching rules are stupid. I want to see a team win because they played better, hit the ball better, pitched better, etc. I don’t want to see a team win because of pitch clock violations or disengagement violation advancements.

@bernier42

9 ай бұрын

Wait until you hear about technicalities of replay review making 2+2=5 and deciding games that way.

@MrConverse

9 ай бұрын

@@bernier42 they have replay review now? ;-)

@matrixphijr

Ай бұрын

That's like saying eliminate fouls from basketball because you only care about which team plays better. Maybe you like wrestling too but body slamming people onto the court to prevent them from scoring doesn't make you better at the game.

"game" of b ball has turned to a smelly pile of,,,

These new rules are awesome. Dumb pitchers should be punished. The resulting GAMES from the new rules are so much better which means the rules are good.

@matrixphijr

Ай бұрын

Unpopular popular opinion

I think this season beats the COVID season, and all the strike seasons as the worst season of baseball in history.

Yet another brain fart from my Toronto blowjays.

Blue jays were dumb. Should have at least seen what was going on after the first disengage.

They've ruined baseball with all this shit. Oh well, it was good while it lasted. Que Sera, Sera.

THIS IS NOT BASEBALL. Glad I stopped following the game in the late 80s. THIS IS A FUCKING CARNIVAL!!!!!!!!