Ok. So I guess a man who unknowingly gets into a relationship with a trans gender person has no right to know? What if he wants kids in the future?? There was nothing wrong with Morgans questions.

@nychold

10 жыл бұрын

What if a man gets into a relationship with an infertile woman? Or a woman without a uterus? The same thing happens...either they discuss it and work it out, or they split up. Happens all the time.

@TheMindfulOne

10 жыл бұрын

nychold What?!?!? Maybe forehand knowledge is the difference.

@nychold

10 жыл бұрын

TheMindfulOne Or maybe you should be more concerned with the person you love instead of trying to figure out what kind of benefits you can get from someone.

@aidendiatheke

10 жыл бұрын

I think the issue at hand was not what he asked, but rather what he didn't ask. He didn't talk about the adversities faced by trans people. He didn't ask about the attacks, or the letters, or the insults. Granted, I think his questions were valid. First you need to know how the progression works. Education is the first step. THEN you need to know about the problems faced by those who have undergone the change and about the issues they face. If you just get the issues they face you risk tainting the issue with misunderstandings. I think this interview has received undue criticism, yes, but I also think that he should follow up with a second interview. Now he has established the basis for this transformation, so he should focus on post-operational issues.

@nychold

10 жыл бұрын

HATERAZZI1 Granted. I was referring primarily to your "want if he wants kids?" question, not to the knowledge of what she was. Even non-transgendered couples should know each other's history, even medical when things get that serious.

Piers intentions were good...he did not know he was being disrespectful....i am a trans woman and i sometime dont even know what is disrespectful to some other transwomen... Janet made it clear that she was scared to address the situation on the first interview trying to be a gracious guest she didnt want to come off as combative...she admits to that mistake she made. I love her integrity. Piers is an ally some time when learning and trying to understand you make mistake about how to address people and their situation...that doesnt mean you should be viciously attack. if you want understanding have the empathy that you want to see in others...have the patience you want to see in other...have the open-mindedness to moments of learning to communicate better that you want to see in others...

@adamwsaxe

10 жыл бұрын

Very thoughtful of you. Piers Morgan is an ally of progressive causes . . . we should remember that. Both he and Janet came off as being honest and with the best integrity. I think the reality is that many people like Piers, even as they are fully supportive of LGBT rights, are fascinated by the physical/surgical aspects. I can understand how that would be annoying, even offensive, but in his case and those of many who are 100% pro-LGBT, it's simply human curiosity.

I don't like Piers Morgan but there was absolutely nothing wrong with his questioning.

There was nothing wrong with the questions he asked. If she wanted to talk about a different topic she should have said something about it before the interview.

Piers thinks a couple of angry tweets are abusive whereas Janet herself and other transwomen like her have been through truly hard times. I find his reaction laughable and insane.

I came onto this video expecting to hate Piers Morgan for saying something bad about a transgendered guest. What I left with instead is noticing shaming that happens to people that aren't transgendered. Perhaps he just was not informed, and had questions for her in particular about her transition and how it made her feel. How is this so bad? He isn't a bad person for this. He just wanted to know the answers to these questions. How one could be mad at someone for not asking the questions they wanted to be asked baffles me. And to group all cis people into being terrible people who are all against trans people..... I will never understand that. He's obviously on the side of LGBT people and he is being shamed for it. SMH.

Could the interview have been better? Of course, but to call this one out is so insane. Piers is falling over himself to show how supportive he is of her identity. They may be insensitive questions but they're asked ignorantly, not out of malice.

@caffetiel

10 жыл бұрын

Intent isn't magic; it certainly doesn't save Piers from being harmful in his supposed allyship.

@inspectorjavert5563

10 жыл бұрын

Deal with it, bro.

@inspectorjavert5563

10 жыл бұрын

Omar Eldagestany You're delusional for using your real picture for your avatar. You look trashy and ugly as fuck.

@ZepawFox

10 жыл бұрын

Omar Eldagestany You realize your picture is next to your comments, right?

random person: "I don't understand how a person goes from being one gender to another and what kind of struggles they face etc." Piers Morgan: "hello transgender person, please tell us your story and how you struggled so people can better relate and sympathize" Transgender guest: "UGH! HOW RUDE! IS THAT ALL YOU CARE ABOUT??!

@Holipsism4Life

10 жыл бұрын

Pretty much.

@IBBMS

10 жыл бұрын

Not its preoccupation with transition and "being a boy" not about their life afterwards or things that trouble the trans community. They emphasize on genitalia and the sensation of "omg she use to be a boy!" this isn't Jerry Spring in 1992, time to move on to better more refined questions.

@maybewise

10 жыл бұрын

I don't think anyone would've minded if it was just one question. The problem was, he lingered on the topic, which left less time to discuss what she's doing now, to help others.

Not sure what the problem is here, he asked very good questions and made many observations that people (myself) would be interested in.

@edgardoarvelaez4147

10 жыл бұрын

Same. I mean, I ignore so much about what would be like to be transgender and I'd have so many questions to ask just so I can try to come a little close to understanding. I think Piers Morgan has no problem acknowledging his ignorance on the subject and asks questions to try to understand. Is that so wrong?

I can't stand Piers Morgan, but these questions seemed perfectly reasonable. What was the problem? She says he's feeding the "myths and fears," but shouldn't her answers dispel them? You can't just dismiss the fact that those fears exist, and pretend that everyone takes your cause for granted. If that were the case, you'd have no cause.

@A86

10 жыл бұрын

Gotta agree. Just like I don't necessarily begrudge people for asking questions about the black community. Especially if the motive is honest curiosity and the intent is to start an honest dialogue rather than just stereotype black people and bash them. The only thing I begrudge is when people blatantly stereotype black people, put them down or blame black people for their problems. (Though tone of questions often indicate whether the person is trying to be helpful or honest or just being ignorant and racist)

For transgender issues only just now being considered less taboo and more socially acceptable, I thought his questions were valid, a little personal but nothing disrespectful or anything. It's not like he asked about her operation affecting her relationship with god or some insane gribble.

I'm sorry, but what did he say that was so offensive?

@IBBMS

10 жыл бұрын

Preoccupation with transition and "being a boy".

@Maafa-iy4rw

10 жыл бұрын

B Sams should've he had said being a "gay boy" *ROLL EYES* .. you guys are more sensetive then actual women

@IBBMS

10 жыл бұрын

Trexson Cole You guys? Sorry, just because I'm not ignorant doesn't mean I'm trans. Nice touch of sexism there though. And no, she never identified herself as a boy (In her own words) the caption (was a boy until 18) is high disrespectful to many trans women and is sensationalist in nature.

@Maafa-iy4rw

10 жыл бұрын

you dont feel a trans should let someone know they're original sex? you dont find that a bit deceptive ? now thats IGNORANCE.. how is stating a FACT disrespectful, thats like saying to someone who lost weight that they use to be fat is highly disrespectful

@IBBMS

10 жыл бұрын

Trexson Cole Nope, no one needs to or has a right to know the complexiites of someon's life or their previous medical/mental/physical state. If they want to tell them, fine. If not, perfectly fine as well.

Attacking him for his questions only hurts your position, it makes you look overly sensitive, and people hate walking on eggshells. It's a relatively new phenomenon, and these are questions people will have. By silencing them, you allow ignorance to fester and grow. And ignorance breeds fear, which in turn breeds malice.

@SuperSaiyanMaze

10 жыл бұрын

stony tina Relatively new, as in the practice has been around less than a century, although I admit I didn't know it was that far back. But, fuck you. I try and express a sense of empathy, while offering advice to not alienate people, and you come and alienate me. Do you WANT me to side with the ignorant bigots, because that's what your type of comment is more likely to do. You need to develop a sense of empathy, insulting people for not fully knowing something only makes them defensive and drives them away.

@scorpioninpink

10 жыл бұрын

stony tina Stop being overly sensitive! you cannot expect all people to know this stuff overnight that is why people ASK QUESTIONS! Piers Morgan ask the question... and the person you replied on just stated the fact and you question him by telling him to stop watching cartoons??? which by the way is NOT a cartoon but ANIME??? screw you! I am a member of the LGBT community but people like you are the reason why people alienate us! INFORM THE UN-INFORM AND STOP BEING OVERLY SENSITIVE!

@LillyAlara

10 жыл бұрын

SuperSaiyanMaze The practice of operations is still 'new', and still being developed into better methods, however there have been trans people pretty much forever. Want a real mind-blower? In Islam, transwomen were absolutely accepted, even by Muhammed during his life; transwomen had a place within normal society on the Arabian pennisula until quite some time after his death. Iran does more sex change operations than anywhere except maybe Singapore, maybe. Trans people are far more visible in the last few years because of people like Chaz Bono and Janet Mock, and it's been a decades-long struggle to even get a shitty conversation started, let alone better rational debate. There are debates within the trans community all the time about the behaviour of some activists. I sympathize, nobody wants to walk on eggshells all the time, and mature enough people will just not give a fuck about when people say insensitive and/or ignorant things, but every person has a line that they can't accept being crossed. I think where people need to meet each other half way is in realising that it takes time for the group consciousness to evolve to where people don't freak out and can still discuss. In the queer community writ large, gays and lesbians have had tons more visibility and are more numerous than even bisexuals and trans people, but we're talking about within our lifetimes. Barely more than a decade ago, it was still a jailable offense in many places for having same-sex, well, sex. So yes, do people need to be less sensitive? Absolutely. Do cis people need to take notice of when they cross the line? Also, absolutely. I think in the end, it's just not reasonable to expect a community to just 'be less sensitive' when the struggle for many trans people exists every single day currently, and not a thing of the even recent past.

@B13e

10 жыл бұрын

stony tina Question, What the hell does Anime have to do with any of this? Lol

@B13e

10 жыл бұрын

stony tina I was paying more attention to what he said haha, I see nothing wrong with his username. He likes anime. I just don't see what his username has to do with what he said about the current subject. If you would enlighten me, that would be great.

Piers Morgan is a massive prick. However, what is wrong with him asking those questions? It has come out of genuine interest. He is very supportive and not insulting.

I didn't find the questions which Piers Morgan asked to be insulting at all. I thought they were very human questions. Most people in America are not as liberal yet on Transgender issues as they are on Gay/Lesbian issues. Even many people who support Gay/Lesbian issues still get a little squeamish when it comes to confronting Transgender things. This will eventually change, just as being gay is becoming more and more accepted by society. But to ask these questions is actually showing nothing but respect to a huge audience by Piers Morgan. He's asking questions which many, who do support LGBT issues in general, might be asking themselves. They would like to know what it is like, why somebody would go through this change, how they feel about it, and their personal story behind it. Perhaps it's all too personal to ask, but the fact that he is asking it means that he's treating her like a human being worth talking to. That's a major step up in the media and in society at large. While she may want to talk about other societal issues related to transgendered people, most people are still on the "I still don't understand this whole thing" stage. While some may call this bigoted, I actually don't that is the way we should view it in many cases. Most people don't know a damned thing about transgendered issues, or feelings, or even understand the need. They first have to learn that transgendered people are people with real feelings, are people who need to express themselves like anyone else, and are people who should be treated like anyone else. I think that Piers Morgan actually did their cause a huge favor with this interview. The more exposure they get as real people, and the more they get to tell their personal stories, then the more that people will become aware of the other issues surrounding them in society. You have to give these things time and just put on a positive face, and these things will change. We've seen it with other minority groups in the past, and we are seeing it with gay people now as well. It will take a little longer for Transgendered people to come to that level as well, but they will.

@patsybob

10 жыл бұрын

Not really, he treated her like a spectacle, she's exists primarily as a plaything for the heterosexual curiosity, her gender identity is open on demand for exploration to the heterosexual audience. In fact I'm not surprised if heterosexuals start claiming that they solved transphobia, just like how they say they solved or are solving homophobia or how white people claimed to solve racism. The funny thing is that white/heterosexuals often ignore the fact that they are the ones who instigated the fear against this groups in the first place. But in the hetero-normative perspective they get to decide the discourse and narrative. They make transgender stories and narrative as much as about themselves than the transgender person actual talking often demanding that they do "X" and "Y" because it suits their wishes and mentality regardless of whether that transgender decided to do so herself/himself or if they were comfortable with talking about it. In this way you can see how the heterosexual perspective plays on the role of spectacle (transgender) and frame it in a strict narrative of heterosexuality. Even most concepts of transgender are 'othered' as something exotic, completely different, something to titillate the heterosexual audience and their curiosity. In this way transgender people can never exist as normal due to the way the media and society label them as spectacle, they exist as something to put on a performance on demand, something to have utmost curiosity in and be readily explorable to their most intimate thoughts, their views on their bodies, sexuality and lifestyle to absolute heterosexual strangers regardless of whether they were comfortable with doing so and regardless of whether they wanted to discuss it.

@NathanielHarari

10 жыл бұрын

patsybob Honestly, I think your comment is informative, but replete with absolutely terrible assumptions which are simply not true. "White people" did not "invent" transphobia, or homophobia, or any other kind of phobia. White people are the same as dark people, or brown people, or asian people, or any other kind of people. White people have no more guilt associated with them when it comes to racism or phobias than any other group of people, or tribe, or religion, or cultural identity. Neither, might I add, do heterosexual people. I know that this latest "PC Narrative" (although, I admit that does sound very right-wing for me to say) is extremely popular, but it's as full of crap as any other kind of narrative which places blame solely on the shoulders of one single group of people. It's like blaming Catholics for "inventing" pedophilia, or blaming Muslims for inventing honor killings. It's just as ignorant. You will find, in actual sociology, that there has been homophobia and transphobia all throughout the world in history - sometimes more in some places than in others. But it has to do with culture and the way that certain attributes in primitive cultures arose. Sometimes they would be "tolerant" and, at other times, not so tolerant. The Muslim world, for example, is replete with homophobia - far more than Western society or, indeed, even the United States. And as much as I am against Islam as an atheist, I do not blame Muslim culture for "inventing" this trait. I do not blame Western culture for "inventing" genocide either - even though my family suffered under the Holocaust. This whole deconstructionist viewpoint of every single narrative with a socio-political bent to blame the West and white people for every single ill in the world goes far beyond any sort of sense whatsoever. White people didn't invent racism or slavery - they were just particularly good at it in the last few centuries because of technology, and for no other reason. The reason that white people have "dominated" the conversation in the last few decades is because, once again, of technology. It has nothing to do with a built in racist trait in the method of the conversation, and everything to do with the reach of the technology. Now that the internet has given a voice to far more people, we are seeing the landscape change in the traditional discourse. But what you also see is all of the racism and biases coming out from other cultures as well into the field. Apparently, this is to be ignored for the sake of politics. It is true that there are some societies in which transgendered people are regarded with far more equality than in others, but those which score low on that list are not only in "white countries" filled with "white people". And as much as I loathe "white pride" groups as any other race-based group, and wish that they simply did not exist, they are not the root of all evil in the world. Every single person has prejudices, regardless of which color they are, or country they come from, or how enlightened their society is. It's just a fact. In fact, it is a proven scientific fact. If you want to truly change society for the better and get equal treatment for everyone, you should start by not blaming entire swathes of people as the root cause for everything bad - and that includes white heterosexuals. And if people are to understand and be enlightened, it is only right for them to hear the kinds of questions which were asked during the interview, and hear honest answers to them. It was the way in which our society has started to accept other minorities and become far more liberal in thought about differences. It's the way that enlightenment happens when coming from a more narrow point of view. Piers Morgan was right to ask those questions, was right to put a human face on a transgendered person, was right to try to get a narrative which would inform people and enlighten them, and was right to bring it to the attention of other people. The more people who see that, the better. I have no idea what you think the practical solution is to all of this, but mine merely involves the best way to educate people: to ask questions and look for the answers. That's my way, with equal respect and with an open mind. That's the practical and human way to change societies for the better. Now I really don't have time to write another lengthy piece, so have at it if you will. I may, or may not, have time to respond later on. Thank you for your time.

Wow, I cannot stand Piers Morgan, but I found no insensitivity in his questions.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with that interview at all. He was very supportive and asked her about her transition from being a man into being a woman. Something that very few of us know anyone who has went through, so many of those in the audience are probably curious. Regardless of what she is now she used to be a dude, are you not allowed to acknowledge that or something? She could have changed the topic, but instead she played the victim card and bashed him. His responce could have been tempered a little but was not that bad IMO.

"Oh, please talk about my struggles, but don't ask me to talk about the process of changing my sex; it might help people understand my life and experiences as a person." Professional victim; for some, it's their identity.

@somuchfortalent

10 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't be possible. She would have been unconscious for the surgery. Try a reading comprehension course to aid your understanding of my original comment.

What Janet is saying is right. People do sensationalize trans women in a way that perpetuates sensationalism whenever they are in the media, and to be perceived in a way which we aren't taken seriously enough and how our own transitions are seen more interesting to talk about then what we have to say. Pier's questions in nature are not offensive, I just wished people in general would get over the same sensationalized stories they see of trans people and start seeing trans people for what we are.... People like everyone else.

@MaMastoast

10 жыл бұрын

Gotta remember that here are a to of issues and stories about trans people. Either because they do not have rights in some countries, or they've been attacked in some fashion. It is also something that non-trans people will have a very hard time relating to, because it is a very unique situation to be in Imagine. So it's only natural for people to be curious and wanting to get a better insight.

@Oyuslvl9

10 жыл бұрын

Not bringing the subject to people's attention only feeds ignorance. If you take a moment to read through the comment section, you see one of three things: -People sympathizing with the movement. -People who believe that transgender is just a shallow desire to be the opposite sex, and nothing more, therefore they don't count. -People who hate Pierce Morgan for the sake of hating him. Now, while it might be nice for "stealthed" people when everyone is simply ignorant of transsexual struggles, that contributes highly to the violence against them, and pushes more people from the first category to the second. And again, it benefits people who "pass," it doesn't help anyone actually struggling with their own gender identity. With no support, and nobody to turn to, they often meet a tragic end through suicide, or are otherwise cast off by society.

@iiGethii

10 жыл бұрын

MaMastoast manhunt48 Recalibar Gearz You all make good points and I am *for* more media attention for trans people in a way which can be informative and helpful to everyone. My only point was and as Ben was saying in TYT was whether Piers was not taking Janet as seriously, she was there to talk about her advocacy instead was moved aside because Piers found her transition from male to female more interesting. That's the point I was making. I don't find anything wrong if the media has a trans person choosing to discuss themselves for better exposure of the trans community so people can be educated. I am always for that.

@mardukalpha

10 жыл бұрын

iiGethii He may have been innocent in regards to his fascination of an unfamilar phenomia. But his response to criticism was an all out attack on Janet Mock. Which i feel clearly demonstrates just how slimey a character he is. And i think it also bears mentioning that Cenk Uygur has made some utterly disgusting remarks in regards to transwomen and sexist comments about women in general. He's regularly talked about how he finds "sex dolls" unatractive due to them looking like "trans women". An analogy that is not needed and highly offensive and also sterotyping and completely inaccurate.

@tamponandbroom7630

10 жыл бұрын

UnknownArchive we are one, its only a chemical that separates us physically so we can reproduce, its no different to the chemical that makes a person ginger or have a big nose are they not like anyone else? and not all gingers are content and change their hair vice verse for blonds etc same as those who have nose jobs not everyone are happy or confident in their skin and change to make their lives better ..so what?? does not make them any less of person, relationships maybe an issue but anyone knows the right person will see threw all that and if they don't are not worth keeping anyway, then there is kids , are women & men who are unable to have kids cos of faulty sperm or what ever any less of a person and not like anyone else? just adopt

Why the hell is this an issue? I think Mock is pretty arrogant to assume that everyone is just as knowledgable about transgender people and issues as she is. That when she meets someone like Piers Morgan, he, on behalf of his viewers, isn't going to ask the same questions she's heard repeatedly before. For someone who wants to be understood and advocates for transgender issues, she displays a real lack of empathy with those she wishes to communicate with. I'm no fan of Piers Morgan (re: his response), but in that interview, he was totally reasonable. It's Mock who's out to lunch.

@devorahacts

10 жыл бұрын

I suspect people told her that she was supposed to talk about her activism and the struggles of others who are transgendered more, so she created this controversy to manipulate an other opportunity to be heard. Some people are also saying she's 18, but she's 29 and was 18 at the time of her transition, which is the earliest possible time in the US, as being of majority and young enough to more easily change. I'd prefer that she just had asked nicely instead of going after Piers.

@davidmjones217

10 жыл бұрын

you've missed the point completely. these are the questions shes heard over and over again. at some point people should open their eyes and do their own research. it isn't her job to educate people on the transition. shes here for the struggle. seeing this clip do you feel any more informed about transgendered rights? if your answer is no then ive made my point

@devorahacts

10 жыл бұрын

david michael Jones I don't think anyone is missing the point. Piers sees power in her becoming a personality, someone people feel they know and can connect to. That's why he focused on her story. Then people will pay attention to her in the long term. She is a grownup. She could have said, "I want to talk about what people like me go through in real, everyday life, the real struggles aren't the transition itself." But she didn't.

@xPokemonPlayerx

10 жыл бұрын

david michael Jones The TRANSITION's the most important part. Sorry. It just like explaining that homosexual men like other men. It's a necessity.

@devorahacts

10 жыл бұрын

xPokemonPlayerx I can't agree with that. It's a turning point but the life around it is more than significant.

How were the questions by Morgan a problem? He was very curious and compassionate. I think that's the best attitude you can have.

@lori4340

9 жыл бұрын

Taxtro The problem was that Piers kept coming back to talking about what it was like "when you were a boy." How did you tell your boyfriend you used to be a "boy." Things like that. What he should have been asking since he knew Janet is an activist things like, "What is employment like in the trans community?" "Is it hard for the community to find work?" "I've heard there's a lot of violence towards the community. Have you ever had to deal with that and how did you handle it?" "Why do you think there's been a lot of transgenders murdered?" "Why do you think society is so quick to judge and spew hate towards the trans community?" You know things like that. That is what the public really needs to hear. Not how did you tell your boyfrfiend you used to be a "boy" because she never was and that's what people don't get. There's a difference between sex and gender. If a straight man had some kind of freak accident and had to have his penis amputated would that make him a woman? NO. No because gender has nothing to do with your genitals. Sex is between the legs and gender is between your ears.

@Sesshounamaru7

9 жыл бұрын

Taxtro The questions alone where not the problem, as you said its merely curiosity, but there where better things to ask... if i became a famous musician i want to be asked about my music, ask just another random musician who happens to be trans... not the trans who just happens to be a musician. just losing time in mundane shit you can get somewhere else or nobody cares, like going back in time and ask Davinich what was his favorite food, or ho many times does he fart in a day instead of the blueprints and other plans he did

@katrinaboyer386

8 жыл бұрын

+Lori Quaresimo there's nothing wrong with asking those questions. I'm transgender. I was born natural feminine. I'm very independent and dominate so I'm not so sensitive to transgender questions. People don't understand so they ask questions. You shouldn't be upset if those same people are paying you.

I agree with Morgan. None of those questions seemed insensitive at all. I think this is just a case of the LGBT community claiming victimhood as a marketing scheme for their overall message. It reminds me of how fox and christians always claim there is a "war on Christmas". While his response to the criticism of his interview was a little heated I can tell it's only because he was doing his best to treat the guest well. It's her fault for not addressing her concerns about the interview during the interview. Instead they waited till it was over and then manufacturing controversy. I support LGBT rights but this type of criticism really does look more like a stab in the back of someone trying to help their cause. Pathetic.

@QueenLioness84

10 жыл бұрын

It's wasn't about the statements, but the emphasis and focus of the guest being transgendered. Certainly, they're part of it, however, she wasn't there to talk about her. She was there to speak about a cause.

@DjDialogic

10 жыл бұрын

Uhh...doesn't discussing her journey as a transgendered person give her plenty of opportunity to bring those things up?

@FormerRuling

10 жыл бұрын

CrimsonButterfly84 The headline said she was there to discuss her memoir "Redefining Realness", not to talk generally about her advocacy work. This is the Amazon.com synopsis of that book: "This powerful memoir follows Mock’s quest for identity, from an early, unwavering conviction about her gender to a turbulent adolescence in Honolulu that saw her transitioning during the tender years of high school, self-medicating with hormones at fifteen, and flying across the world alone for sex reassignment surgery at just eighteen. With unflinching honesty, Mock uses her own experience to impart vital insight about the unique challenges and vulnerabilities of trans youth and brave girls like herself." The hosts' questions were almost a copy/paste direct reference to the overview of the book. He couldn't have done a better lead in to discuss the book. I would have gotten just as upset if I was genuinely interested in someone's story and invited them on to give them a mainstream media voice for a group that doesn't get much attention and then they go back and completely disrespect me. I don't know if I get on twitter like that, but I'd think it and I definitely would never have that guest on again.

I'm not transgender, but I am genderqueer (people who are genderqueer can be both male and female, neither male or female, or on a fluid continuum between the two. I'm pretty gender-fluid, myself) - I personally don't think that the Pierce Morgan is transphobic, but he still is guilty of furthering some very backwards ways of thinking. See, his very first comment was saying how if "he didn't know already, he'd have no clue she used to be a boy" - Transpeople generally feel the public puts far too much emphasis on things like a transwoman's "passability". - Saying that he feels "she was meant to be a she" because she looks feminine is kinda offensive - having a less-square jaw and a small adams apple doesn't make you any more "female" than any other self-identified woman. The "used to be a boy" part is problematic too - She wasn't "a boy" before, that's kinda the point - She's always been a female, it's only that now she's accepted this side of herself and made her appearance (and legal name) match this self-identity. Pierce Morgan really should have done a bit more research (then he probably would have brought up more actual issues, too). The trans community perhaps could have explained it's objections better - but that said, Pierce Morgan's response to the criticism just made everything worse in the way he refused to self-critque.

@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns

10 жыл бұрын

"The 'used to be a boy' part is problematic too - She wasn't 'a boy' before, that's kinda the point - She's always been a female," In one sense, yes, absolutely... but *not biologically*, which is what Morgan finds so fascinating and worthy of discussion. Perhaps we can say he was being naive, but he was trying to have a learning experience and trying to get her story out there. He *obviously* had positive intentions and goals. Granted, he didn't conduct the interview he could have (and ought to have), but the idea that he was somehow being *disrespectful* is just flat out ridiculous. Yes, not the best interview, but it wasn't disrespectful either. I support the trans community completely (I'm all for equal rights and fair treatment, fair employment opportunity, I adore the story of the SEAL Team 6 member who underwent hormone treatments to become a woman, etc). But the reaction that Morgan received was pretty silly, I'm very sorry to say. Morgan's reaction to the criticism was stupid and over the top, but not much worse than (some of) the criticism he was responding to in my judgement. Don't get me wrong. Morgan *should* have received *some* criticism (AND some praise...), but all of went down the wrong way. Maybe I'm wrong though.

@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns

10 жыл бұрын

Healer I don't disagree with *anything* you said. But it doesn't change the substance of my original post either. :/ The initial reaction from both sides was over the top.

@WitchygirrlR

10 жыл бұрын

Correct me if I'm wrong, but she titled her own article "I was born a boy". www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/relationship-issues/born-male

@deannasmith4443

10 жыл бұрын

exactly, great comment... especially the the fact that peirs lacked the foresight to include a single trans individual on his silly little panel discussion afterwards.

@Zaimren

10 жыл бұрын

Rewriting your own history is dishonest. She may not have wanted to remember that she was indeed born with male bits, but the facts are the facts. Equality doesn't include special treatment. Her (over) sensibilities are her own problems.

She wanted to transition to female, instead she transitioned to feminist.

@boofcario

10 жыл бұрын

too true.

@shepshep01

6 жыл бұрын

She was likely always a feminist, as she was always female. Feminism is not a dirty word.

I didn't hear anything wrong with what he said.... Innocent and respectful questions/comments.

@IBBMS

10 жыл бұрын

Of course you don't, typical cisgender person

@AmbeyPankake

10 жыл бұрын

B Sams Funny that you assume I'm cisgender. How could you possibly know? You can't. You're just being judgmental.

@IBBMS

10 жыл бұрын

Amber Davis You're being judgmental in your comment.

@AmbeyPankake

10 жыл бұрын

B Sams You called me a "typical cisgender person". I was calling you out on it. That's not being judgmental.

@IBBMS

10 жыл бұрын

You above comment is first comment that caused this thread is judgmental, the word means to pass judgment and that's what you did in your above comment.

I'm with Piers on this one. He supports you! Why would you attack him?!

@littlebit080780

10 жыл бұрын

MaxExcretion Your opinion doesn't matter though, not in the least.

@jasonok1436

9 жыл бұрын

Magellanic SpaceClouds Seriously!!! I am a huge supporter of the transgender community but the other day some transgender person was getting really hateful and arguing with me over some petty intersex thing that I didn't know. They need to pick their battles better.

@littlebit080780

9 жыл бұрын

Jason ok You say "they" like all trans ppl are alike. Yeah there are some trans ppl who are assholes, but it has nothing to do with them being trans, there are ppl in ALL groups who are assholes, but don't link that to the whole group. And just don't judge too harshly, it might have seemed petty to YOU ~I have no idea since you didn't give any details other than a trans person was getting hateful with you~ but when you just hear the same ignorant questions day in and day out over and over and over AND OVER again, you tend to get frustrated. So try and see it from their perspective. It's like I have an uncle who is pretty accepting but her could do better, he calls me by my preferred name, but he rarely uses the right pronouns, and he's kinda got this attitude like, "Hey you should be thankful I call you by your preferred name, get off my back!" And that's the wrong attitude to have. He nor YOU would like it if I screwed up your pronouns. Its almost like ppl who defend us, but then call us a "man" "dude" "sir" "bro" "brother", etc 5 million times...... like, "sir I totally accept you, bro, man dude you have to have a lot of balls to do what you do, so bro you got my support SIR!" back handed compliment much? You might be learning about trans ppl but IF there's more to learn, just accept the info and don't get defensive about it. To say "Being born a man" is offensive to most trans ppl" or saying "You were once a boy" is ignorant and offensive if you know anything about trangenderism.

@jasonok1436

9 жыл бұрын

littlebit080780 When I say they I'm talking about the transgender people who get offended and argue about small things. I'm not saying all transgender people are like that, just some.

I'm transsexual, and even I was astonished at the backlash he was given. I am 100% behind TyT's analysis. He shouldn't be lambasted for his attempt. Yes, dwelling so much on the beginning of the process and discussing so little of the middle and later portions of transition is what most of us see as bad reporting out there in the media these days, but we have to recognize that people need to, first, wrap their head around the foundational concepts of how Trans people discovered themselves. We have to transcend this reflexive gesture of victimization by people finally crawling out into the light and asking questions that, only 10 years ago, weren't public discussion. This is new stuff for the public eye, give people time to adjust to the light. There's no need to get ahead of ourselves and feel we demand everyone to immediatly understand the courtesies that come along with being allies of our identity. Am I being too generous to those who miss the big courtesies that come with speaking about a Transsexuals past with them? I could be, but I don't believe in tip-toeing around an issue. Yes, I was born sexually as a male, yes by the age of 6, it felt the image I was given does not adequatly connect with the gender identity I ended up with, yes I still deal with a body that fights me for control of both my social and physical identity. Sprinkle a little support from family and friends here and there, and let's move on to the most important part of this discussion.... social, legal, and financial issues we face TODAY. Not that hard, I can accept the prior discussion because the later discussion is the most informative and substantive part of my story... I can get through the hard, depressing, negative portion of my life and discuss the hope-inspiring, positive area of it. THAT'S where all the negative feelings come from when issues like Pierce's arise. Dwelling in that past, that negative experience more than the positive, more than on the most problematic areas of societies treatment of Transsexual people. Call him out on the error, and lead him to a more correct route of discussion... don't just lash out with the victimization card. Either way, I think both parties were wrong, but it's not that big of a deal. Let's pick ourselves up, discuss the best solution, and move on.. let's not make this into a dramatic episode that results in people dividing themselves into camps of "for" and "against" this result.

People are far to sensitive in this day and age for my liking .he didn't do anything wrong however the main focus was on person things rather than what Janet is doing with her time now ,it's always the way when people don't convince people of there own views they get mad ,everyone has a difference of opinion why do people need to get angry ,life is to short ,how people can hate people for differences I will never understand as Id would never hate anyone based on sex gender colour or whatever .we should just let people live there life and get own with our own .

@Gabrielegarita

9 жыл бұрын

That's a very mature approach to what I said .do you often speak to people like that lol

@Gabrielegarita

9 жыл бұрын

Ah ok that's cool then yeah your right it can de difficult especially when you don't actually know the person in real life to know where there coming from ,that's why I usually refrain from commenting on videos :)

@righteastofyou

9 жыл бұрын

People are more sensitive, by the same people who say " we live in a tolerant society." I call them liberals.

@zoned7609

9 жыл бұрын

***** This is not a proper outlet for your racism-fueled GOP dicksucking. Oh, and I dont see the problem with acknowledging that the trans person used to be largely identifiable physically as a male. That's just a fact. Are you going to get angry at a fact?

@Gabrielegarita

9 жыл бұрын

Everyone has there own opinion some good comments here lifes to short to get angry or resentful not everyone will agree on stuff that's the world ,just dance 🙌

Why didn't she complain during the interview? The interview was recorded last week. Of course she wants to sell her book and is trying to use this platform to promote it. Disgusting

And here come the comments of sexually confused bigots...

If you feel like you don't know enough about a group you want to support, do your fucking research. ASK THEM, OFF air, instead of parading your ignorance to the whole viewing public. That first thing he said to her in the clip shown - basically that because she passes as a woman, he believes she should always have been one - is incredibly ignorant and very insulting to those transgender women who don't happen to have such transferable features. It's not relevant to their gender identity. Passing doesn't make you a "real" transgender woman. It's a completely idiotic thing for him to say and it astounds me just how bad he was at picking up on her reaction to this. It was like he'd never interviewed anybody before.

Just because he didn't touch on the activism or book release dosen't mean the questions were wrong. They were fine. "You're a host, you don't need to be attacking this woman"...technically he's not attacking a woman...

There was nothing wrong with those questions! He was very polite and was clearly just curious. This is just oversensitivity. Hooray for Ana at least admitting that there was nothing wrong with those questions, while still pointing out there's other things that should be on the table.

America could be offended by toast if you put too much butter on it.

What a non story. If you are transgender then the physical point is very relevant. Piers Morgan asked legitimate questions.

@SamAdamsDesigns

10 жыл бұрын

Thank you for deciding what transgender people should be offended by. You must be the authority on the topic, as you are of course the reigning queen of transgender women. Fuck off.

@ashmika8304

10 жыл бұрын

I tend to agree because if you are going to disclose that information, publicly, of course people ignorant to the topic are going to be curious. It's just natural!

@MrReerka

10 жыл бұрын

Sam Adams lol no cry now

@KalinTheZola

10 жыл бұрын

I agree that the questions are legitimate, and I don't find them offensive, but it would have been better to discuss the book a bit more in my opinion.

@SamAdamsDesigns

10 жыл бұрын

Ash Xin Yo SomeCartoonChick You are all just ignorant for now. One day you guys will understand why it's not appropriate for people to be so ignorant when they knew they would be interviewing a transgender person.

What Piers can do that would hurt them the most is to never have another of those activists on his show. There are groups more deserving of recognition and a voice. Just ignore them instead of making this a big thing.

@iseeicyicetea

10 жыл бұрын

mymom1234 you think you understand how television works better than piers morgan? ;-) he doesn't WANT to hurt them, he wants to defend himself against the very harsh criticism he faced (and shouldn't have faced).

Ok I dont thing Morgan did anything wrong. He wanted to understand so he asked. Sorry it wasn't about what the guy originally went on the show for but Morgan has a right to ask as long as hes not intentionally trying to be rude. I do have a problem with the the quote "we're not real women, so therefor we if we're in relationships with men we're deceiving them." Biologically speaking they are not real women they were born a man therefor they are men despite what they think or identify with. If you were born a man and dont tell the man you are dating then yes you are being deceitful. That person should have a choice in dating a transgender. Im sorry if that sounds mean but you cant start a real relationship on a lie like that.

@ethanforster

10 жыл бұрын

So I have to tell them if im Jewish too? Cause what if the guy dosent want to date a jew? Besides which I dont think you understand how life threatening it can be to disclose your identity to someone. When do you do it? How do you do it? Do we have to wear special t shirts to say that we are Trans? Im sorry but biologically speaking we are female. The gender center of the human is in the brain not in your genitals. A transgender womans brain has an identical gender center to that of a CIS female. Just because you have or had a penis dosent really mean anything. Only society's narrow view of gender has an issue.

@Nerobyrne

10 жыл бұрын

Skyla Jade Forster I'm quite sure you got the irony of the t-shirt thing, being Jewish and all. ... :) Personally, I don't understand what the big issue is people have with dating trans-gender individuals. I could understand it if they didn't want to date someone with "non-standard genitalia", but if that's not the case, why do people feel so strongly about this? Aren't we all different individuals inside? Shouldn't we have to get to know everyone anyways? To expect them to reveal all kinds of secrets on the first date is a bit insane. I guess the only point I could see is maybe they might be afraid that their partner will get a physical sex change one day, which will make the relationship not work any more. But to not want to date someone because of something they might do in the future is really stupid as well....

@setitoffification

10 жыл бұрын

Skyla Jade Forster Ok now your delusional. Biology 1O1 your brain does not determine your sex. Your dna does before birth. The brain is a Powerful thing and if you convince yourself that you are what you think you are, then your body will follow. It is not right to deceive a man into thinking you are a natural women when you are not. What if that man wants to have kids? Boys and girls ARE different, everybody knows that.

@Nerobyrne

10 жыл бұрын

growmebaby305 Behaviour is determined by the brain. Gender identity is in a large part behaviour. Therefore, Gender identity is determined by your brain. Your brain is also determined by your DNA, but it's quite possible that your brain and your genitals do not match upon birth. Also, abuse in childhood can lead to a disjunct between mind and body. And women and men deceive each other all the time. They augment Breast Size, skin tone, hair color, etc ... So, should everyone make a list of everything they altered about themselves because it's not "natural"? Do we really have to go through the whole "it's not natural" thing AGAIN? I thought we just finished with homosexuality .... -.-

@irisnroses1889

10 жыл бұрын

stony tina Your right I don’t know the basics of interviewing maybe that’s why I’m not a reporter. I do however think that the audience may not entirely understand what a transgender is and it helps the subject by asking and having that explained to them from a transgender point of view. You seem to want to use a lot of “big” words to simply insult me. So I’ll make it really simple. A selfie does not have anything to do with intelligences if it did then more than half the people on the internet would be considered incredibly stupid. Then again judging by the way you use your words you already think your smarter and better than most people. What you said is far from mean it only shows that you wanted to insult me in a “smart” way next time just save your time and type dumb cunt it will come off the same way.

Pierce is alright...

@Linux4UnMe

10 жыл бұрын

***** him too!

@Linux4UnMe

10 жыл бұрын

oh yeah... see the name "Pierce" is common... but Piers!? Oh well... I slipped up there :)

The way I see this is that everyone was on the wrong. Piers was genuine (in my mind) with his curiosity and support, but he was also being very ignorant and slightly unprofessional by derailing the conversation from the preplanned topic. But that's professionalism, has nothing to do with bigotry. Janet Mock however was also on the wrong when she needlessly attacked Piers for his ignorance. Yes, it's a bummer that you don't get to talk about the book you wrote as much as you wanted, but you have to admit that there's huge gabs in peoples understanding about the transgendered people that getting any good talk about that subject out on a major TV network is great. Given how underpowered of a minority TG people are, even within the LGBT community itself, you have to be much, much more careful in picking and choosing your battles. Piers Morgan might not be your biggest front ally, but having even an insignificant and ignorant ally is much more valuable to you than gaining an enemy in someone like Piers. Yes, it was mildly disrespectful in the face of obvious unprofessionalism, but you can't afford to alienate your supporters and Piers was obviously more supportive than judgemental and therefore this is not a battle worth fighting. Take any support you can get and try to minimize the damage from bigots and maybe someday the trans community will get treated slightly better.

Piers Morgan's questions were fair. He didn't expect his guest to speak for all transgender. He was more focus on her transition and experience that she had. Having her speculate on other transgender wouldn't be fair because they are suited with different situations than her. If anything she should have been flattered that Piers cared about her as a woman. Sorry about the gender role being thrown to her, but Piers's mannerisms come from a different time. He was at least being a gentleman.

@thepeakoflife

10 жыл бұрын

It's a different experience for different individuals. Generalizing them would be arrogant. It would also be stereotyping transgenders. She wrote a book that doesn't make her an expert because it would be through her eyes; bias in her writing. You're usurping the voices of others and discrediting them. Calm down and think. Should a single voice in a crowd of many be favored more than the others in the crowd? I do not know Janet. I have never read her books because there were no incentive to. She may have been a favorable leader in the Transgender community, but she has to prove her credibility to those who would be interested in the topic. From the interview stand point it shows that she is unable to express herself in live television. There are certain things people are good at doing, but bad at others. If she had more experience on television maybe things would have turned out differently? All I'm saying is that people are different from one another. Janet went on television wanting to give her analysis on Transgenders like a sick science experiment. What give Janet the right to do something like that? Realistically no one knows who she is. That's all Piers Morgan wanted to clarify before going any further into the interview, but Janet's answers were just horrible. That's my take on her. What do you think about janet?

@thepeakoflife

10 жыл бұрын

Last time I checked transgender are the minority here. Janet's not famous. Your reaction(not a response) contradicts itself. Trying to put yourself on high ground does not favor your point. Clearly you're the ignorant one here. You do not wish to be reasonable or wish to learn more. I am but a single person who wishes to learn and be informed. I am not a politician, I am not a bug to merely be stomped, I am and will always be a student of life. If you can teach me, teach me. If you can't, then be gone.

@thepeakoflife

10 жыл бұрын

Ohloveeh and blocked for clearly trolling.

Here's a basic rundown of what happened: Janet has an interview with Piers. It goes fairly well. He says some vaguely ignorant things but she chooses at the time not to correct them because he's well-meaning and trying to understand, and she's trying to push her own talking points and doesn't want to get completely derailed. She's also been conditioned all her life not to stand up for herself and speak out, and he's a powerful television host who is supposedly on her side, so it's understandable why she hesitated to correct him. It's hard to bridge that gap right away and say, "Let's halt this national interview where I'm supposed to be talking about other issues the trans* community is facing just so I can explain to you how to be respectful to trans* people." But she tries to guide it with her answers some, and she thinks it goes fairly well. Later, she watches the interview, and now it's been edited and packaged. The lower third says some offensive things like that she was a man until 18 and used to be a boy. These aren't really true, and they're focusing on the wrong things anyway by making it about her transition in the first place. It should just say, "Trans* Rights Activist," or something because that's who she is and why she's there. You wouldn't put a Gay Rights Activist on a show and say, "Likes to have sex with other men." You wouldn't put a Black Rights Activist on a show and say, "Has dark skin indicative of African descent." That shit would just be offensive. The packaging of this interview is sensational and offensive. She reacts against that packaging, not the actual interview itself. So she tweets at his show about it. Piers then reacts with some awful, awful stuff. He derides the people who he's supposedly trying to support. As an ally, you need to be willing to listen when people you're supporting tell you you got something wrong and messed up. You're first reaction should be, "I'm sorry, I didn't know. Help me understand what I did wrong so I can do better in the future." Instead, he claims he's the victim of "cisphobia" and says some pretty dismissive and mean things. But you need to understand, Janet and most trans* people are not really taking issue with the questions themselves, although they were perhaps a little intrusive, so much as the way they ended up being packaged and delivered in the end. The packaging merely fed into the common fascination with genitals and surgery and ignored the real lived experience of trans* individuals. And then the way that Piers reacted when he was called out on not being the best ally really upset people even further. I understand it can be hard when you're trying to be an ally to be told you're actually hurting the cause. But don't react angrily. React humbly. Listen to what they have to say before assuming you're in the right just because your intentions are good. We also used to use radium to try to cure cancer. I'm sure our intentions were good, but that didn't stop us from killing a lot of people. So if someone tells you you messed up and are actually hurting them when you're trying to help, stop and listen first. Use it as a moment to learn more and become a better person.

As an ally of transpeeps, IMO it's inappropriate to suggest that a transperson who can pass has more merit as their identified gender than a transperson who can't pass. Bringing on an activist to discuss her book heavily influenced by her activism and then turning around to discuss her body not only negates the significance of her activism but it also contributes to the notion that the public has a right to know the information about her body. "Oh Piers, the way you look: I never would've guessed you don't have hypertension!" It's not a compliment, at least not a straightforward one. These types of personal questions were not only outside the scope of why she was on his show but they also don't inherently have to be answered by all transpeople in the public eye. In a final argument: it is his job as someone hosting a guest on his show, to flesh out the purpose of her appearance and prepare questions that support that purpose. A friendly disposition doesn't forgive being ill prepared.

he did every thing he could to reaffirm the man trapped in a woman's body myth, he mentioned her old name, said as much as well, she should be a girl she is so good at it. people won't validate Janet's womanhood. I know I will get hateful comments on my comment, you're wasting your time, I have heard it all before, you won't shut me up no matter what you say or do

I think he asked great and relevant questions

@wresler103

10 жыл бұрын

I agree. As a straight guy with, as far as I know, NO friends who are trans I have no concept of what it's like or what this person went through. I don't see any problem humanizing this person and discussing what she went through. Lighten up people.

@disposablefreedom

10 жыл бұрын

wresler103 As a Gay man, agree as well..

@Tadzio5050

10 жыл бұрын

wresler103 There is this crazy new thing called the interwebs. Really, as a culture we have been talking about this for over 50 years. The trouble comes in looking at the world from this sort of hetro-normative position. If one can imagine your own possibilities just expanding those possibilities to people who are not like you. Some people live in warm climates, some people in cold, some people are str8, some people are gay, some people bisexual, some are non-sexual. See, it's not that tough.

Piers Morgan is a lifelong tabloid journalist. Why would anyone expect him to address serious issues facing anyone? When has he ever done a serious piece of journalism in his goddamn life? What the hell did she expect?

Third. And I don't find anything wrong with Piers Morgan's questions, but that's not what he should have been asking. He should've been past that and asked deeper questions about the trasngender community.

@2pasadena8finest1

10 жыл бұрын

True but it seems like he was just curious.

@221cherry

10 жыл бұрын

david This must be a freaky coincidence since you've replied to me before lol. And no, I don't think so. If he had said he was going to ask her about a particular subject, he should have focused on that, instead of going through the interview asking the transitional questions.

@2pasadena8finest1

10 жыл бұрын

Lol I noticed that, I was just thinking, "man I hope she doesn't think i'm stalking her.". Truth be told I clicked on the next tyt video and I wanted to reply but than I though, "no now she really is gonna flip out.". True but how much can one really go in depth on a subject, if they're not as knowledgeable as the other. Seems to me he was just trying to be less ignorant on the subject, so that he could better question her.

@221cherry

10 жыл бұрын

david LOL, no hard feelings. And I guess so, but then what's the point of not preparing for an interview? I guess I shouldn't expect much, at least he's not as unprepared as Letterman. But he should have had his research done to ask the questions he said he was going to ask.

Asking someone to read the book that explains how trans women are real women and not former boys who can pass for women is not too much, if you invite someone to talk about that book they wrote. 'Incredibly supportive'? No. It's not supportive to say 'I can't tell you're trans', any more than 'I don't see you as black' is a compliment. You're implicitly saying that you can tell some other women are trans, and that's somehow a problem. White, straight, cis men should stop pretending that their mere intention to support others deserves praise, even if they are being condescending about it. No. Condescension is not support.

@TimdeVisser86

10 жыл бұрын

See, it's that kind of bigotry that gets trans women killed. It's the rationale behind every single attack made on them and the reason for their high mortality rate. I hope Piers Morgan gets a load of the Nazis that are defending him, though.

I saw nothing wrong with the questions

Really? A man shouldn't know if a person he wants to be in a relationship with was once a man?

it is my understanding that she was on the show to promote her book.I was also under the understanding that the book is about her personal journey. he was attacked for hours on twitter by Mocks supporters after her tweets. it was pretty disgusting to watch. it seemed contrived to many of us who were watching the feed. pretty sad all round

I applaud Piers Morgan.

Transgender activist?? God help us, don't tell me they want to think of them as normal.

@annakarolkate

10 жыл бұрын

are you stupid

The thing is Anna is that you already know this stuff about trans people, most people don't give it much thought so I think Piers was asking honest questions and is helping himself and the people watching understand what its like to be trans. This needs to happen first before any meaningful conversation on Trans discrimination. Its up to trans people and their allies to need to tell the story of trans people until the general public understands what it means to be trans. It was only after the general public understood what it meant to be gay did the LGBT community start gaining ground in things like discrimination.

It seems like everything offends these people

@deleventy

10 жыл бұрын

Are you cisgendered, white, straight, and male?

@MrDemocles

10 жыл бұрын

deleventy And that disproves the point made, how?

@deleventy

10 жыл бұрын

MrDemocles Privilege obscures understanding and empathy.

@MrDemocles

10 жыл бұрын

Just because a thing CAN cause a certain thing, doesn't mean it DOES so in all instances. Further if you're going to discount this other person's opinion solely because they may have privilege, then your position is no better than those who do the same based on other configurations of gender and sex. tldr you dont create fairness for all genders and sexes by choosing one over the other. All you do is further enshrine the victimization.

@deleventy

10 жыл бұрын

MrDemocles You completely misinterpreted my statement. I'm not saying anything about how things should be. I merely asked a question about the OP in order to understand why he doesn't get how people can be offended.

Ego bruising is a sign of immaturity and shows he has much to learn. he should have said "My bad, lets do this again and you can educate me

@T0PSLAYER117

10 жыл бұрын

Piers Morgan makes Katie Couric look like a Saint.

That is not a woman from my perspective, so whatever it is from its own perspective is actually irrelevant to me. Thus, anybody who is transgendered has to understand that their perspective on this is not necessarily shared, and thus they have to be careful, to ensure that they are upfront about this, otherwise I can completely understand the violence that ensues.

@ami7mina

10 жыл бұрын

So are you saying that just because transgendered people are different from "normal" cisgendered people, means that it is perfectly understandable that it's alright if they get violated? Wow. I wonder where humanity went. I thought any kind of people that talk and communicate are considered human regardless of how they look or what they have between their legs or how they were born. Just wow.

@romanmir01

10 жыл бұрын

Andreia Guerrero No, it's not "alright" if they get violated, but it is understandable if they are not upfront with the members of sex they are trying to date. You can 'wow' all you want, but if you misunderstand the simple fact that your perspective will not be shared, you may end up hurt, which you do not want obviously and nobody actually wants anybody to get hurt, so don't put people into that position.

@ami7mina

10 жыл бұрын

Oh, I see :) Yeah, but only if they are intimate with someone they should tell them about them, and not to the public. Everyone has rights to privacy. Just a general rule.

@A_massive_wog

10 жыл бұрын

romanmir01 Well your 'perspective' is fucking incorrect. No one questions you on your gender identity, because only YOU know it. It is not up to people who are not trained either Trans or work in a Medical or Psycological field to decide, so fuck off, YOUR opinion is the irrelevant one.

@A_massive_wog

10 жыл бұрын

***** My last comment as you can see was at romanmir01... Did you read my comment? "or work in a Medical or Psycological field to decide,"

What is wrong with the questions? I think he was just curious.

Well I think you should tell the person you are planning on dating that you are transgendered. I wouldn't want to be dating someone and then find out they are the opposite sex of what I thought. I can just see it now, that happening to me, and then the woman/man telling me that I should just be tolerant and that is why they didn't tell me. Being tolerant is one thing, but dating someone you thought was a certain gender and then finding out is different, is just not right for them to not tell you that.

@Venefica82

10 жыл бұрын

A transgendered woman is a woman, she is not of the opposite gender, she is a woman end of story. Now I do agree that someone who is transgendered should tell their date that they are since so many have a problem with having relations with someone who was born of a different gender than they are now, I have no problem with that opinion, however I do have a problem with you flat out saying that a transgendered person is not the gender they identify with and that the have transitioned into, for they are.

@darkmantlestudios

10 жыл бұрын

I dunno, that's not exactly first date conversation. Maybe before it got physical would be okay?

@darkmantlestudios

10 жыл бұрын

Azraelseraphim Well there wouldn't be one after the surgery, that's kind of the point of said surgery..

Thats a solid British reporting, what the hell is wrong with Americans? they always want pre-discussed questions to be asked.

@SM-qy6vd

10 жыл бұрын

And then they call it "reality tv".

@PlannedObsolescence

10 жыл бұрын

EVERYTHING in the world is wrong with us Americans, I guess.

@wordsmatter2931

10 жыл бұрын

Only a very small percentage was mad about this, i don't get the deal either...

@bradleycannons

10 жыл бұрын

here here

I actually don't understand what the problem was?

@10jg1

10 жыл бұрын

lmao same here, i dont get what the big deal is

@IBBMS

10 жыл бұрын

Of course you don't

@murasakii1996

10 жыл бұрын

He was more concerned about how 'this turns into that' than focusing on the main concern of her book; trans rights and discrimination.

@IBBMS

10 жыл бұрын

threeof wands Tranny is a derogatory term, and I hardly doubt she'd give his old ass the time of day. She already has a )very cute) man

@threeofwands

10 жыл бұрын

B Sams Terms are dead letters on a page. I would agree that there are fighting words. It is true that its important for trannsies to have a "man". That's a clarifying point, somehow.

Rarely do I like anything John says but he made a good point with his first statement. Morgan did nothing wrong I the interview.

Did it ever occur to Piers that she wanted to talk about her civil right advocacy and not her gender? Piers Morgan showing again his inability to have a sensible conversation with another person.

Wow... all I got from this and from the comments is that the transgender community is CRAZY sensitive...

"The transgender issue is really important to talk about"....really? (yawn)

@ekatehtderllip9875

10 жыл бұрын

lol

@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns

10 жыл бұрын

why yawn? do you think that the issue is *not important*? Please clarify.

@ImNotaRussianBot

10 жыл бұрын

***** Well, as far as I can see, if it doesn't directly affect weareallanimals (surprise, surprise, dead giveaway there), it's just *yawn*. Until, of course, it does, then the weareallanimals of this world are screaming down the TV, begging for petition signatures online; and weareallanimals finally realize that weareallanimals is not a bubble. If THIS is *yawn*, then stand by, do nothing. Soon, something important to you, weareallanimals, YOUR rights will be violated. Your callous and apathetic attitude is why it's easy for bullies, scumbags, and corrupt individuals in power to keep on doin' what they love doing.

@ami7mina

10 жыл бұрын

You yawn while other human beings get killed. Because of your lack of compassion towards people that you don't deem worthy or normal for you. So many haters. Human beings hating on human beings...

PLOT TWIST: The woman was not a woman. Mind: Blown.

Completely agree with John.

@kinetic.vibe.

10 жыл бұрын

You got some NERV

@RicoSeattle

10 жыл бұрын

Benjamin Sanchez Haha, yep! ;) EVA ftw!

A nation full of whiners, inconsiderate people, victims and entitled people. That is our doom.

I dont see anything wrong about the interviewer's question. He just seemed extremely interested on how that person felt through it in a good way.

Oh come on....I think his questions were fine....

Proves that even when attempting to be PC, you still get attacked. Might as well speak your mind.

I find it mildly irritating when people call hateful bigots "ignorant". It seems like a pass and an excuse, of sorts, for their vile attitude and behavior. I believe this issue is far more simple. They fear those that are different or beyond the realm of what makes them feel comfortable. Let's get real here. Being blind to or unaware of the intricate details of any given situation, isn't automatic grounds for bigotry. Just because you know nothing about the event doesn't mean you need to bring a bad attitude to the party!

Trans lady here, just wanted to say Ana and John covered this very well and made many good points. Good job as usual covering transgender issues, guys!

I think people are just way too hung up on the fact that transgender people used to be -insert gender- which is kind of a naive assumption. Just because someone is trans does not mean they have gone through a physical transition. Transition isn't just about surgery and hormones. I can't personally speak for trans people, but it seems like Janet identifies as always having been a woman. To go on and on about the fact that she had a penis is a pretty disrespectful and not what the interview should have been about. Yes she identifies as trans but that doesn't give anyone the right to ask such personal questions, especially when they have such a loose concept of the term "transgender woman". She obviously wanted to talk about trans issues and her activism.

"OVER THE LINE" They want to talk about titles?

she is playing the victim with what she wrote afterwards... Piers was perfectly respectful.

What's exactly wrong with those questions? They were asked in a perfectly normal and respectful way, I don't see a problem here. Oversensitive perhaps?

If you're transgender that's cool what ever it's your thing. I don't think you should be alienated or attacked for it But I do think that that should one of the first thing let the other person know. If you don't that is deceiving the other person, whether it's a man or a woman. If they're honest they could find someone who would be cool with it. Because if you don't and you have sexual relationship, I think that could be considered as rape. For the fact that it's sex that the second party didn't really consent to.

@Kari-xb7lb

10 жыл бұрын

Not everyone a trans person interacts with is someone they intend to have a sexual relationship with. If I'm trans and never intend to sleep with something, why should I choose to disclose my trans status if I'd rather just keep it private?

@eseliljoker5150

10 жыл бұрын

Well if you don't, then it doesn't apply to you. Simple enough.

@Mika20

10 жыл бұрын

Yui Hirasawa True not every trans person does that..but in this world you just don't know anymore. You can't trust people for who they are and there are those who will lie and deceive (whether straight, gay, trans, bi, etc..).

@darkroomxvii

10 жыл бұрын

were did that jump to rape come from? rape is non consensual sex, not sex with someone who you dont know their medical history

@eseliljoker5150

10 жыл бұрын

You think it's just their "medical history", this isn't just the chicken pox. It is non consensual sex. When your having sex with someone of the opposite sex, you're consenting to have sex with some of the opposite sex, not some of your sex. Think about like this, there's a movie called Revenge of The Nerds. There's a scene where one of the nerds dresses like this one girl's boyfriend and preforms oral sex on her. The movie takes the whole thing lightly, and they live happily ever after. But in realty that was rape because she only consented to it when she thought he was her boyfriend. So basically when you are in the poison of power it is your job to do the right thing.

I think Piers Morgan's questions were completely reasonable! His questions came across as compassionate and it looked like he was trying to build empathy in his audience for what she has had to deal with. Unfortunately we're not yet at the stage where you can interview a TG person on TV and not have their gender be an issue. Hopefully one day we will get there, but we're not there yet. There is still a lot of fear and misunderstanding towards TG people (just look at the comments in this video). The way to get to a place of acceptance is for people to hear these stories and build empathy, and eventually, tolerance. It's unfortunate that she felt that way about the interview.

@BalooDumptruck

10 жыл бұрын

agreed

To some degree, I can understand why she was a bit unnecessarily offended. Transgender people have been attacked and ridiculed for a majority of the time they're out in the open for an immeasurable amount of time, so many times they're quick to assume a defensive position or grow impatient of the same old questions. Many people who ask questions like Piers Morgan's ask them in such a way that they're trying to pick apart the other person and find something to somehow prove that the transgender person doesn't really know what they're talking about, so questions like that, especially when the conversation/interview was not intended to pertain to the subject of the transition itself, often cause an exasperated and offended response. The problem with the interview was, as was said in the video, that she should have tried to bring the conversation back to where she intended it to go rather than going along with it and publicly stating her distaste later. She also must realize that people simply don't know a lot about being transgender or transgender people and many times these questions are directed at them as a simple quest for knowledge and understanding. I also have to agree that Piers Morgan's response to her was incredibly immature, rude, and uncalled for. A simple, plain statement of his disappointment and frustration would have been plenty sufficient.

I don't like the idea that if I date a transgender a woman she doesn't have to tell me she is one. Of course it's deceiving, what is wrong with Janet? I think that is something they've got to mention early on, and if you're cool with it, that's awesome, if not, you can break it off early.

@Suzyfication

10 жыл бұрын

'I don't like the idea that if I date someone who used to have cancer they don't have to tell me that they did. Of course it's deceiving. I think that is something they've got to mention early on, and if you're cool with it, that's awesome, if not, you can break it off early. '

@ChakatBlackstar

10 жыл бұрын

I see...and how early in a relationship do you think medical history should be exchanged? I mean, what date do you tell someone that you had your tonsils or appendix out? Howabout if you're cut or uncut? Have you had your wisdom teeth out? Because I don't know of any part of dating where any of those medical issues come up. And if you're just into a girl just because she's a cis-woman, then quite frankly you are a very shallow person.

@Suzyfication

10 жыл бұрын

***** So what is the significant difference that renders the comparison invalid?

@Suzyfication

10 жыл бұрын

***** Because in both cases, you used to suffer from a medical problem and now you don't.

@Suzyfication

10 жыл бұрын

Because cancer can take a huge emotional toll on the sufferer: it is something that is not cured easily or quickly, and you are not certain that you will survive it. I agree that transwomen shouldn't *have* to get the surgery, and if the relationship was non-sexual (If you 'hook-up' with someone and you're pre-op/non-op then you should probably mention it, as sex is generally quite genital orientated) there should similarly be no obligation to inform them of the person's medical history.

The comment section to this makes me want to throw up. Janet Mock is an intelligent and beautiful woman who does a lot of good and for all her brains, for all her good deeds the interview was focused on her body. Right from the bat "first you're very beautiful I would never have known." If anyone looked at her face during those questions you can see the clear discomfort in her eyes. I can get that not everyone who has nothing to do with the trans community knows and understands a lot of technical things. But let's say I had an interview about a book coming out about homophobia and instead of talking about the process, the work, the experiences, the progress and the hate that comes with it I'm asked a bunch of questions about my sex life, about my appearance, my genitals and things that are distracting to what I'm actually there for. Piers Morgan was one thing but all these comments calling her a him and worse calling her a monster... you're all disgusting. I don't know how you can call another human being a monster because they were born different from you.

@zoned7609

9 жыл бұрын

Connor C What's wrong with continuing to call someone who began life as a male, a male? Not everyone feels that surgery is a magical cure that somehow makes it okay to pursue straight men. Or straight women, if we're talking about an FtM. Disclosure and honesty. Always. Saying that people should ignore someone being MtF or FtM (if they are not attracted to FtM or MtF) in the context of a potential relationship is incredibly naive, selfish and hurtful. Incredibly self-centered to think that YOUR desires in a mate override the desires your potential partner has. Any relationship that began with that much omission of important detail is a relationship with no trust. A sinking ship.

@MrTwentington

9 жыл бұрын

Where in my original post did I mention anything about relationships though? I didn't. I talked about treating human beings with respect. Furthermore, I love the egotistical accusation that trans women transition for the pursuit of straight men (ignoring that some trans women are lesbians) rather than thinking that wildly, crazily, they may be transitioning for themselves so they can live their life the way they want to... I also never mentioned anything about surgery. Not all trans people can or want to pursue surgery. All I said was that if you meet a trans person and they tell you to call them a guy because they're ftm or a girl because they're mtf then do the respectful thing and call them what they are.

@zoned7609

9 жыл бұрын

Connor C " Furthermore, I love the egotistical accusation that trans women transition for the pursuit of straight men (ignoring that some trans women are lesbians)" I never said that people go through "the transition" IN ORDER to pursue people. Jesus, how did you manage to fuck that up? I said that HAVING the transition completed gives a lot of false notions to trans people about being able to justify sleeping with a straight person without divulging that they are trans. Male or female, gay or straight, it doesn't matter. The rules are the same either way. Obviously you were just reaching for something to attempt to insult me about. And it failed. "rather than thinking that wildly, crazily, they may be transitioning for themselves so they can live their life the way they want to..." I never made any assumptions about their motivation to have the surgery or transition, or anything of that nature. They are free to live their life the way they want to - and just like EVERYONE ELSE they have an obligation to be truthful to potential partners about things that are IMMEDIATE DEALBREAKERS. If you're not going to address THAT, there's no point in speaking. "All I said was that if you meet a trans person and they tell you to call them a guy because they're ftm or a girl because they're mtf then do the respectful thing and call them what they are." And to me, the person born male is still male. The person born female is still female. I still am not attracted to an MtF, regardless of how "natural" they may feel as a woman. If they don't like it, I will apologize but explain that I do not recognize them as such. If they can't handle a polite explanation like that without getting their feelings hurt, I suggest they never leave their house. The world is not made of soft edges, it is made of hard corners. The only thing that matters is if someones INTENT is to offend, insult or hurt. Mine never is - so I'm not worried. If they get their panties (or boxers) ruffled over a label, I'll just tell them to lighten the fuck up, life is short.

@MrTwentington

9 жыл бұрын

For someone talking about how the world isn't safe for people who are easily bothered you kind of wrote a beast of a reply to justify yourself. But that's you and you're entitled to these wrong opinions 

I completely agree with what John is saying. I don't think Peirce Morgan was trying to be rude, I think he just didn't understand certain things, they shouldn't have got so upset, why not rather just not to explain it to him, so him and his viewers can understand better. I don't like the way he handles it after, but I thought the interview was more just, that he didn't understand a lot of it, and I think that could have been a great opportunity to shed light on a lot of stereotypes and things, and instead she just got all offended, if she is an activist, she should understand that not everyone is going to fully understand or even be tolerant of her, and that's why she should take those opportunities to try to break down those stereotypes. I don't know, I think it was poorly handled on both ends.

What we have here is a cisgender white man showing his true colors when a trans woman of color objects to the way the interview was framed, by saying Janet “was a boy until she turned 18,” and obsessing over her relationships and disclosures to the men she’s dated and not talking about the trans women of color’s lived realities.

The issue wasn't that he failed to understand the "struggle", it's that he incorrectly makes the assumption that she "became a woman". She was always a woman, she just happened to be in the wrong body.

Did TYT out Extreme Liberal Piers Morgan.. holy fuck... they have jumped the shark.

Jeez, everybody gets upset over everything... in some ways I like that the world is becoming more sensitive towards others. It really is a beautiful thing. BUT...for fucks sake... transgenderism is not very well known to the average person. I don't think people mean any harm when they ask certain questions about it.

@sunmarsh

10 жыл бұрын

Whether harm was intended or not are you saying she should have not said anything even if she felt the interview experience was negative? It's not that the questions were inherently or intentionally offensive, it's just the fact that they were asked (instead of other more relevant questions) and the way they were phrased made it clear how little HE actually knew.

@cjaygrove

10 жыл бұрын

sunmarsh Not saying she shouldn't talk about her negative experience. I just think a perspective check is in dire need for a lot of these people who are calling for change and tolerance. These things are very new and out side the norm for most average people. And going around antagonizing the average person and their sensibilities will come off as petty and might offend the average person's making it that much harder to get your real points across. Most people's perspective on transgender ism is negative. Most people don't wanna hear it. Imagine what it does to their perspective when they hear that a transgendered woman got offended because someone took interest in her transgenderism. It's just gonna make them even more closed minded and removed from the movement. I know it isn't fair. I know that you have to speak up when you are being marginalized. I know these people suffer and get fed up. But strategy and a good perspective is still important. Look at the Civil Rights Movement for example. The Malcom X way didn't work, it was the Martin Luther King way that worked. Instead of antagonizing the average white man's sensibilities he tried to change the perspective through demonstration and understanding. Same here, instead of getting angry with the lack of understanding most people have on transgenderism and getting angry and offended. Try to make people understand. Show people your story. And I know you will get annoyed, you will wanna say "can we talk about something else", but in the end you are doing a great service and eventually it will become normal and people won't need to question you about that stuff.

You also must understand that people who are constantly oppressed and looked down upon for being who they are tend to be sensitive(not saying that Janet was *way too* sensitive, she was not). As a host, it was his job to be more sensitive and *listen*. Janet didn't get her point across extremely well but she did well considering that the man on the other side of the table didn't listen enough and instead kept argueing that he has not worded anything in a wrong way. When someone is upset because of what you did, you listen until you understand their view point and apologize if necessary.

I have this kooky conspiracy theory that I cannot shake away - Piers Morgan was genetically engineered by mad rogue biologists and insane berserk linguists, who came together to give the colloquialism "cunt" a human form. Not due to this particular interview, tho.

janet mock took what was supposed to be a positive discussion about transgender people and made it about her own personal feelings towards how she is perceived by others. if you are a leader in the transgender community than you have to put aside your petty feelings of how other people react towards you and understand that the only way to battle ignorance is education and understanding

While transgendered people shouldn't be treated as freaks, bullied or harassed, it should be fair game for people to be curious about the 'transition', because it's a MAJOR change, not just a cosmetic or a simple lifechange one. Even if an interviewer may come across as crass or blunt, the simple matter of fact is that it is an interesting transition and quite an extreme thing to many people. It just comes with the territory. While I understand trans people can be bullied or seen as freaks and such, a person simply inquiring and being curious isn't that. Creating a huge 'backfire' about this just makes the point that changing genders IS a big deal. And I fail to see how body changing is 'objectifying' the body any more than it should. Transgendered people objectify their own bodies as conduits for their inner identity and gender persona. It's a fair game to 'objectify' the person regarding the process. No amount of angry retort and finger pointing by trans groups will change that. It would have gone a lot better if Janet had been a graceful guest about it and not suddenly expect people are not going to see the gender change as intriguing. If it IS intriguing to people, so what? How about reaching out instead of blaming people for being intrigued?

@22bronwyn22

10 жыл бұрын

Transgendered isn't a word it's transgender people.

Well he hit the nail on the head. And apparently this is an actual issue. If you start a relationship with a man then you are deceiving them. It's a dangerous situation.

John brings up an interesting thing here. It's true that trans people often live their whole lives (to a point) dealing with this attitude about other people not understanding and being assholes about it. However, exactly why is it that every time a famous transperson is interviewed, they have to answer the exact same questions that they have likely already answered on other shows? It's not the job of any transperson to educate you personally on what it means to be trans. If we want to try educating people, then cool, we can do that, but it isn't something a transperson should have to deal with every single time one of us goes on TV.

I was VERY critical of Ms. Mock after her two interviews with Piers, for the reasons you and John talk about in this clip -- it seemed dishonest of her to skewer Piers, after the fact on Twitter (what is she, like, 12?) for asking the questions that she fully should expect a non-transgendered person to ask on a mainstream entertainment interview show. That whole exchange made me think Janet Mock must just be a person selling books and not really interested in broadening the conversation and initiating true understanding and acceptance of the TG community amongst the non-TG community. But the one thing I forgot when I had all of these thoughts and feelings, was the thing Ms. Mock brought up in the quote you cited in this clip -- there is a particular sensationalist fascination surrounding men who, and I'll just say it bluntly, voluntarily have their dicks whacked off. And there is a LOT of violence directed at people who used to or still do have penises who identify as women. I don't know what that is like, as I am a heterosexual female, but trying to navigate the relationship landscape as a woman "trapped" in a man's body has got to be a really really really difficult thing, something that is hard to imagine unless you live it. Layer on top of that all the judgement that surrounds sex-change operations, which are, technically, voluntary. I would still criticize Ms. Mock for treating the exchange she had with Piers in such a cowardly, petulant way, but I don't know what it is like to be Janet Mock. Kudos to her for trying the best that she can -- she's a regular human being, not some genius, so I shouldn't expect her to act any differently from anyone else around me.

@Bagoozi

10 жыл бұрын

Mikey Nankoff She's 29.

I agree with Ana, these are the most important issues that he did not ask about. This is a news show, but at the same time maybe Piers wanted to focus on an individual perspective. As a human being I'm sure the woman who was interviewed agrees that everything bad happening to transgendered women is bad so it might seem a bit boring in Piers' defense. Is this actually a big deal though?

I actually got into a banter with an acquaintance of mine over this yesterday. I stated that although what Morgan asked may have come off as offensive, his intentions were in fact positive and meant to educate his audience, which in fact was the entire purpose of Janet going on to the show. I also stated in agreement that his reaction after the interview on social media was quite inappropriate. Despite sharing all these accurate ideas with substantial evidence for both, an acquaintance of mine who is an avid supporter of the LGBT community went on social media for defamation of my character by calling me a "Transphobic". To those reading this who are passionate ambassadors of the LGBT, just know that I and many people are of the same beliefs and thoughts as you, however the way in which this was handled is disgusting and wrong, you should never blanket someone with a horrific title if it goes completely against someone's actual character. All I was trying to do was the mature and responsible thing by seeing all sides and angles of the issue, yet because of it I get abused, and I know many who have been effected by this too, so I want to speak on behalf pf those wrongly misplaced and judged.

Didn't find anything wrong with his questions, though he sounded like a guy who's never heard of transgerderd people before

I just hate that some people simply can't admit that they've done something wrong. Does it really hurt Piers Morgan's balls *SO MUCH* he can't apologize once for implying that Janet used to be a "boy"? Tell me, is his ego so fucking huge that he can't even stand the thought that Janet does not want to be regarded as having been a man at some point in her life? Because seriously, that is just a full-blown lie. That is jumping to conclusions. After being called transphobic about ten thousand times on twitter, MAYBE he could've asked himself "hmm, maybe I actually said something offensive" *HE COULD HAVE LET IT GO BY SAYING I'M FUCKING SORRY* IS THAT REALLY SO HARD? For once, in your life, trying to understand another human beings' feelings? Acknowledging the fact that you did something wrong and *acting like a fucking adult instead of getting defensive*? He's a middle-aged man. He should act like one.

@zoned7609

9 жыл бұрын

randomtrucks "Tell me, is his ego so fucking huge that he can't even stand the thought that Janet does not want to be regarded as having been a man at some point in her life?" Is the ego of a trans person so bloated that they can't accept that they WERE a man at some point? That is the bigger issue. Oh, piers is a moron, i'm not defending piers. Lets not get that little bit confused. However - there's nothing wrong with acknowledging the REALITY that this person did not begin life in the state that they are currently in. How fucking stupid of you to go apeshit over a fact.

@imgoingonholidaytovietnam3631

9 жыл бұрын

randomtrucks unfortunately most middle aged men are retards.

If you want to learn about a transgender person's history, the process of transition, what we go through, take a human sexuality course. If you want to know about who we are as people ask us. Its never ok to ask someone about their genitals in a public forum unless they said "Hey, talk to me about my genitals" Also while the "trapped in another body" is a fun and easy media cliche its not accurate.

@sylvainthibeault6129

10 жыл бұрын

What kind of music do you like?

@lilaredden

10 жыл бұрын

.... not sure what that has to do with this but nearly all kinds, even the genres I care less for I can find the occasional song I like. I appreciate different aspects of different songs. Sometimes its the sincerity of the emotion, especially in punk. Sometimes its the way the rhythm's flow in electronic and pop music. Sometimes its the technique in Jazz.

@leedaniels617

10 жыл бұрын

People can be extremely ignorant, and insensitive and downright rude when it comes to Transgendered people.no Transgendered person has to explain themselves to anyone, period!.

@duo1666

10 жыл бұрын

If its not accurate, then she could respond as such. She was in a position to get rid of some of the misconceptions brought forth. Its not his fault at that point. He asked appropriate questions, its her fault for not putting her ideas forth as she saw fit.

@lilaredden

10 жыл бұрын

I understand the desire to ask a trans person "why" we are trans in the first place or "why" we need to transition. Its strange and different from what they're used to. The problems are that the first question is a medical question you're better off asking a neurologist than a trans person themselves and that the second question is directly related to the first. The details of transition aren't something someone should need to know any more than they need the explicit details of my sex life or my appendectomy. If they want to know in a generalized way, there are plenty of resources. In the specific case of Mr. Morgan, there are guidelines and suggestions for handling the coverage of and interviews with trans people available from GLAAD and a variety of other easily contactable Trans specific education and advocacy groups. It would have taken him or his researchers 10 min of their busy day to have gotten this interview right and they simply didn't bother.

I'm an FTM(female to male) trans person and I stand with Janet. We get that people are fascinated by our stories, but people also cross lines. The whole "I would've never guessed" is offensive to us because...you are seeing us as we are. Our "former" body is like a mascot costume. I'm proud that more trans people are speaking up to fix the issue, as well as showing the world that we're successful as well

As a transwoman myself I find this ironic considering I feel the TYT has never once done a story on trans issues where I'm not face palming at what the hosts are saying. It makes me uncomfortable That Pierce seems to have this notion that we used to men before transition, and that everyone wants to get a surgery. I've been on hormones for nearly a year and a half and I'm so happy with my experience. If health care covered it, I would get it, but I certainly can be a present female regardless of what's in my pants.

@bookcreator

10 жыл бұрын

What about it makes you face palm? I'm just curious. I know Cenk can be a moron, but why the others?

@PolymorphicPenguin

10 жыл бұрын

I think cisgender people such as myself often have a hard time grasping the concept of gender identity. It isn't until someone who is transgender describes hir experiences that we realize there is something more to being male or female (or any other sex or gender for that matter) than the physicality. From our point of view, someone who was born with a male body but gets sex reassignment surgery is a man when zie goes in to the hospital and is a woman when zie comes out. I don't pretend to be well-versed on trans issues, but then again I'm not interviewing a transwoman on TV either. For what little I have heard from people who are trans such as yourself, it sounds like Piers Morgan didn't have a very strong background. I think he should have done more reading on transgender experiences and the things that annoy trans people such as yourself. People on TV often try to purposely shock and offend their viewers, but to offend trans people unintentionally suggests a lack of proper preparation.