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@FacesintheStone

Ай бұрын

Very interesting. We need to know that the ancient world has a complicated multifaced art style, not only does it has one image but several. Here in North Carolina We have a site that is preserved in red clay and have discovered photo realistic portraits of human beings painted on crystals. We’re putting together the symbols and repeating patterns. What’s fascinating is the charred wooden club and a wooden bow we found has the same art on it 🤷 great presentation thanks for the lecture

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

@@FacesintheStone Thank you

@Leontemplar-yt6ff

29 күн бұрын

Good Video The earliest surviving account of Irish origins is found in the Historia Brittonum ("History of the Britons") (And the Origins of the Arthurian Legends) written in Wales in the 828. It says that Ireland was settled by three groups of people from the Iberian Peninsula. The first are the people of Partholón, who all die of plague. The second are the people of Nemed, who eventually return to Iberia. The last group from Hispania (mīles Hispaniae), who sail to Ireland in thirty ships. All but one of their ships are sunk. its passengers are considered the ancestors of all the Irish.

@Leontemplar-yt6ff

29 күн бұрын

It also says that after that more waves came and inhabited Britain.

I visited Forres 5 years ago and saw personally the, Pictish “ Suenos Stones” they were impressive and encased in glass boxes and were about 12 foot tall!

Due to dogger Bank we were always connected to NW Europe. Only when it flooded was the connexion lost. Something to consider.

My great grandfather came to Canada from Scotland. Thank you for the lessons. Scots have to be the most impressive people ever with their bravery, strength and determination. Proud of my grandfather's heritage.

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Thank you

@djquinn11

Ай бұрын

The Celts have entered chat…

@SpeculativeSpeculator

Ай бұрын

Same, with my great grandfather. My family has said he was born in glasgow

@LooniJoose

13 күн бұрын

Found out I'm 49% Scottish. I imagine I at least have some Pict in there along the line somewhere? My line has been traced to NE Ireland, SW Scotland. Any thoughts?

I have been researching the earliest iconography of western civilization. Circles and sixty-degree angles are highly significant. See the Gazelle cup, Ashurbanipal's threshold, the Magdala stone, etc. (I can provide way too many examples of this). Anyway, the Z-rod on that stone has 60° angles, which they could not have created without understanding the method set out by Euclid in "Elements." The related symbol of the half-arc with the three points can be found in mosaics across the ancient world. This is the form made by a large circle with two equal sided circles that meet at the center of the large circle. These symbols were basivcally abandoned by Western Civ under Catholicism, for various reasons that would have completely undermined the Semitic traditions, effectively destroying Western Civ. Ultimately, these symbols are related to a flower that was revered as being related to dawn, Eostare and Eos. The flower is the Crocus. If you want more info on that, I have a ton.

the zed rod - a scythe maybe? The grain being attached. Fertility? The four points - Four cardinal directions, the sun in the seasons in transit? That they used such complicated symbolism says a lot about the depth of their belief system (to me!)

@jeil5676

Ай бұрын

Disks = bewbs

I am one of few descended from the Picts and presentations like this are rare and much appreciated. Archaeologists have uncovered foundations of roundhouses atop Kelman Hill in Aberdeenshire. That name has been passed down to me with the ujsual spelling variation. I am proud of my Scottish roots and that the Picts were Scots before the Scots were Scots :)

@DorchesterMom

Ай бұрын

My grandma was descended from highland scots who were some of the first who set out for Nova Scotia… MacDonalds from the Hebrides, clan Ranald. She was this tiny little thing, feisty, olive skin, thick black hair and dark eyes. And the temper! I know it’s not at all scientific or proveable, but I always thought of her as a tiny Pictish warrior woman ❤ How does one discovery Pictish ancestry if you don’t mind me asking? Can it be done with autosomal markers or is it only linked to haplogroups? She was H37 but I think her matrilineal line may have been from England or Germany.

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

You cannot know you are descended from Picts, no one can, you only assume it on no evidence.

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

The Picts were not Scots. The Scots were from Ireland. The Picts, or some of them, likely came from Scandinavia ( Bede's Scythia). Otherwise they were indigenous Britons.

@jkilmon

Ай бұрын

@@danielferguson3784 Yes, Dan. I know when the migration occurred from Ireland to what would become Scotland. The Picts were there first which is what I meant.

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

@@jkilmon But migration, in both directions, must have always occurred between Ireland & Scotland/Britain, & between Britain & nearby Europe, across both the Channel & North Sea, on a small or larger scale. The migration period ones, of Picts, Scots, Angles & Saxon incomers , & Britons leaving to Brittany, are just the ones recorded because people were literate to record them, & they were dramatic. A further phase occurred later, with the Danes & Norse, but Sutton Hoo shows that North Sea crossings were continuous at some scale between the main periods.

I think Bede (or his source) was just indulging in a bit of Early Medieval folk etymology (the same kind that had the Britons descending from Brutus).

@TobiasC-mg4zk

4 күн бұрын

Some interesting Neolithic finds in Orkney at the Links of Noltland found mitochondrial dna in the females who had recently arrived from “Scythia” or modern day Ukraine. The male lineages were a mix of European Hunter Gatherer and European Farmer. Not sure if there were “scythians” living north of the Black Sea 5000 years ago. What’s really neat is that people were definitely travelling by boat over long distances to and from Scandinavia/Orkney and the Steppes in the Neolithic. Probably taking the same route that Varangian Rus took in the 8th century CE.

Double disc seems to be something like yin-yang and the z-rods is like a turbulent zone between those two. In my culture (slavic) there used to be that duality and the cyclic battle between them, which evolved later on into christian st jerry and snake.

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Love it, thanks

It's great that the stones Are still standing.

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

I know, amazing! They still look good today.

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

Most of them have been moved in modern times, & are not in the original places they were found.

As always, thank you for the lesson.

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Thanks William

The picture with the two circles could be ochre pots for painting their skin. After all, it's right beside a picture of a hand mirror.

Because the earth's axis is tilted, the sun crosses the sky at an angle of 22° relative to the Pole Star, and the two points where the moon's orbit crosses this 'plane of the ecliptic' are where eclipses can happen. Aberlemno 1 [1:20] could be an aid for telling this tale.

Great channel. Liked and subscribed. Top accent! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@celtichistorydecoded

14 күн бұрын

Thank you

⭐ Well done. Very Interesting and informative. Thank you!

I enjoyed this very much, and have now subbed. Cheers man, Alba gu bràth!

@celtichistorydecoded

10 күн бұрын

Thank you

Great lesson. Thanks for your effort!

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Thank you

Many eminent scholars now believe the Phoenicians travelled to Peru, so it is quite feasible that people from Scythia could have travelled here to Scotland in the distant past. I am a Brit who lived for a few years in Bulgaria and I was struck by the similarity in facial features amongst Bulgarians, the Russians who lived in Bulgaria, and many people living in Scotland. The possible link between Scythians, Beaker people and Scotland needs to be researched I think.

Seems to me, Bede clearly described the Picts as patrilinear with the exception of rare cases of disputes around kingship. He also described the Picts as keen to mix with locals. Perhaps the authors of the research article had some dubious prior assumptions.

I'd've never guessed you were 6'3" without you saying

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

I look 4ft next to the stone which just shows you :). Imagine being a child in Pictland looking at that. Awe inspiring

@dukeon

16 күн бұрын

I’m 12 feet tall and it’s just mildly impressive 😉

The top of the rod with the bits coming off it looks like an implement Ive seen to remove meat from a cauldron

Thank you for the interesting video

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Thanks

@hondacbrification

Ай бұрын

​@@celtichistorydecodedDid the Z rod really looked like the way it is depicted in the book?To me looked like a Oak three leaf.

Thank god for sub-titles!

Good to hear there is great effort to preserve these atones.

Thor hammer, comb and mirror found in Finland. Thought to be a bracelet

@dukeon

16 күн бұрын

In Finland? Interesting. Going to look for more information about that. I suppose the Norse sailed east as well as every other direction. I wonder if they interacted with the people of Karelia, near modern day St. Petersburg, and if the Sagas and the Kalevala had any influence on one another.

From a statistical point of view a sample size of 8 is virtually meaningless. As you said in your post: . . . "perhaps: perhaps not". As scientists always like to say: more work is needed.

@willmosse3684

Ай бұрын

It’s not only those 8 samples though. It’s also all modern Scotts. Scythian dna would be found in load of modern people in Scotland if this founding myth were true. It isn’t though.

@viking_training_system

Ай бұрын

​@@willmosse3684Was that part of the study? I thought it was just the archeological finds. They did find 'a pictish' dna marker in modern autosomal dna . Can't remember the details though. Aberdeenshire and Angus autosomal dna is certainly different to the west coast.

@willmosse3684

Ай бұрын

@@viking_training_system I doubt it was part of that particular study. But ancient DNA studies are huge now, as are modern studies, and the UK is pretty much the most sampled part of the planet. If there were Central Asian genetic markers in people in Scotland, they would have found them, I am sure. I don’t have the specific data/analysis to point you to to be fair, so I can’t say anything with 100% confirmation. But if it had shown up in DNA in the northern UK, it would have been big news. It absolutely makes sense that Autosomal DNA would be different on the West Coast of Scotland vs the North East. But what overlap do those differences have with neighbouring populations? Because one would expect that based on population movements in the historic period, with Gaels from Ireland settling the West Coast of Scotland in the Early Middle Ages, and a lot of back and forth during the Kingdom of Dal Raetia etc. I doubt we would see anything like as much Ancient-Irish DNA up by Aberdeen. In the South East one would expect to see more Germanic genetic markers from the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom of Northumbria, which straddled what is now North East England and South East Scotland. One might also expect to see Norwegian DNA up in the far North of Scotland and down the West Coast, from Vikings that sailed over the top of Scotland and down that side, setting up settlements along the way, down as far as Liverpool and Dublin. I haven’t checked, but I don’t THINK there would have been so much of that down by Aberdeen - I could be wrong on that though. But there is a lot that has happened in the last 1600 years or so that would create autosomal differences between those two different parts of Scotland. I guess one could look at modern Autosomal DNA to see whether all the differences can be accounted for by those known population movements, or if it seems like there was already some difference that we can’t account for with what we have from the historical and archaeological record? But the best thing to do for that would be, yes, to get more ancient samples. If these 8 are all that exist then yes, that is way too low. We need more. I’m planning to get set up on some ancient DNA databases soon, so I’ll see if I can find anything else from Iron Age or Bronze Age Scotland.

@Not-Ap

Ай бұрын

I was about to say the exact same thing in a big rant before I deleted it lol.

Picking Kings from the female line is particularly common for a few reasons. Chief among them all is that you can be more certain of the bloodline.

🦅 Thank You

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Thanks

The idea I had with the Zed rod and circles sign was that it was something to do with a claim to land. The two circles are connected and are above and below the horizontal of the Zed, which could be interpreted as the rising and descending of the sun and the moon over the earth. The Zed head above could be flower/barley etc while pointing down it could be a stylised root, meaning land. The symbols found with it could then be clan/tribe markers, ie this is the land of the tribe of the serpent; this is the land of the tribe of the elephant animal; and so on. Have these stones ever been mapped out? If so there's a possibility of finding patterns in their distribution; either as boundaries or at particular important travel points - fords, passes through hills etc.

The painted woman that you showed has marks similar to the Iranian Sarmation tribe. Both men and women of Sarmation used to be heavily tatooed depicting the story of their lives showing who they are by what was tattooed on their bodies. Since men and women were equal partners, in battles they would fight shoulder to shoulder on horseback. You may want to read the latest book about the Indo-Europeans called "The Indo-European Puzzle" and it is based on collaboration of specialists with deep knowledge in terms of Genetics, Archeology and Linguistics.

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Thanks. I am going to make a video about the similarities between Pictish and Scythian tattoos I think quite soon as it's interesting.

Very interesting, thank you. Certainly wouldn't be the only time the writings of Bede have been shot through.

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Thank you

@MrChristianDT

Ай бұрын

I think it was probably an actual Celtic origin legend for them, but we also have to consider that the remaining Celts were Christianizing too & we know the Irish ended up replacing their own origin of man stories with that of Adam & Eve, so, maybe to the British Isle Celts, everybody came from somewhere vaguely in that direction.

@Leontemplar-yt6ff

29 күн бұрын

The Scythians is close to the Middle East caucus region of ‘ Noah’s arc ‘ fame, its Christian influence.

2:26 What looks like the broken side of the stone looks nothing like any broken stone. It looks deliberate, as if it were part of something that was larger at some point. Some parts look as if they could be a profile of something. The wear on the entire right side of the stone is distinctly different. The man who recreates the stone balls found in scotland would likely know more about the stone and the wearing. 🔥 Thanks🌱

I'm glad you've made this video as an Englishman I've been finding many connections with the Saxons and Scythians and it seems that a lot of the Germanic and Celtic people are either related to or originate from the Scythians. It seems the steppes are calling for us all.

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Thanks. Let me know any sources that connect the Scythians and the Saxons, I would be interested to read more about that.

@mr.purple1779

Ай бұрын

@@celtichistorydecoded Historically, the Scythians were destroyed by the Sarmatians. The Sarmatians destroyed nomadic sites, but they rarely attacked mixed Greek Black Sea settlements. So the Scythians in a sense existed after. But they were fishermen and traders. Then, in the end, they were absorbed into the Goths of Germanarich. (Chernyakhov culture). There was a separate paper on Moldovian samples. They mainly turned out to be from the Bronze Age Srubnaya culture, probably the early Saka assimilated the local population in Europe. In fact, modern Western Europeans do not so rarely have 10-20% DNA from the Scythians, but they will probably be associated with those Moldavians, but not with Asian pastoralists (aka Don-Altai), like the Tatar Bulgar-Kipchaks. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eIp8u8qMhrCvaKg.html

I would totally plop down and lean against an ancient Pictish stone. Jamie Frazier, here I come! Thanks for sharing the stones with us at home - they are beautiful!

Great video, but doesn't the "steppe-related ancestry" you quoted from in the paper refer to the region between the Caspian and Black Seas?

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Thanks. I'm not 100% sure what you mean but the Steppe is quite a broadly geographical region in general

@davidtruman4590

Ай бұрын

I took it to mean the Ponto Caspian Steppe, which is where the Yamnaya culture is now thought to have migrated westwards. This is based on genetic several studies which have been undertaken in the last few years showing that Bronze Age peoples in western Europe came from that region. @@celtichistorydecoded

The Griffin was a mythical creature in Scythian lore, but Griffin is a popular second name in Ireland. I'm puzzled by the link

@fierceperedur

Ай бұрын

Griffin is Welsh. The Welsh dragon was originally a griffin on a Roman standard. At least that's what I read once.

@GrandmasterFerg

Ай бұрын

@@fierceperedur Thanks!

@rckoala8838

Ай бұрын

There was also an Old Irish name Cruimhthan which was anglicized into Griffin.

@hondacbrification

Ай бұрын

​@@fierceperedurThat's not true at all and apart from myth and stories you won't be able to prove it. The red dragon was used by Hungarian nobility before Welsh have adopted and so Drakonian rulers where not Roman at all. The Hungarian Turan-Turul bird from which Hungarian traced they origins appears in Etruscan mythology just as Turkic and Iranian but not Roman.Turan or T UR AN The Lord AN is aglutinative word which linked to Hungarian word Anya-Ana meaning The Mother which is the same as HAN or AnZu bird where the depicting varied from a Dove 🕊 to a more morphic Griffin bird which appeared in various forms.

@tonycoker6523

Ай бұрын

Did not some of the Scythians migrate to Ireland.

Gratitude

I think it is likelier the stones were made by people to be remembered. The battle on the backside of the third one is likely one where the person who ordered it was important (yeah, probably against Northumbria ,Dál Riata or Rheged. Rheged did have a large cavalry unit who saved Gwyneth from the angles and fought the Picts so it might well be them but the Picts did fight everyone, at time as far away as Wessex so it is hard to be certain. It is kinda in human nature to make something that say "I existed" and you see things like those all over the world. The odd money stones are only known in a single tiny island and we do know picts did trade with others so they must used some other currency. Another possibility is that they placed the stone to connect the land to them, that wasn't uncommon in many cultures either. If anyone ask a younger generation what gives them the right to rule the area they just point to the stone. That is kinda the reason it was common to bury people during the iron age in bronze age burials, or we think so at least. I wouldn't trust Bede too much in any case, he did have a habit of making things up. Gildas wrote a completely different story earlier and he is backed up by Nennius. According to them, the Picts came from the North (Orkney maybe? Or just the Northern tip of Scotland? Possibly Scandinavia), that makes more sense in any case. We know the Picts were in Scotland centuries before Bede and if that story was older, Gildas would likely have known about it. Bede was Britain's Herodotus, for good and bad.

You know that anciently Scythia is a mistake for Skandia by Bede, so connection with that region is more likely.

The Gospel arrived in Britain within 100 years of the Resurrection, Patrick's parents were part of a local congregation before he was abducted. Paul Achersons book called The Black Sea, has a wealth of knowledge of the history of the region.

The Tagar culture thrived in Siberia near the Altai (Gold Mountains.) Directly south of the Altai is the Zarafshan (Metal Mountain) with rich copper & tin. The bronze age started here. Obe River System drains a huge area between Urals. Much of this river system is navigable & has been used for trade & fishing since time immemorial. The Decimali channel claim that the descendants of the Tagar culture are in the Baltic & British Isles. The Gaelic name McTaggart means son of those who honor the Bairds. If you went to Norway today and asked why the Vikings carved huge dragon heads on their ships - most of them wouldn't have a clue. Chinese people still make dragon boats & have races. The dragons & the dragon boats are celebrated in festivals over large areas of China. If you ask a Chinese person what the dragon is all about they will look at you like you are stupid & explain that the dragon is their symbol for luck & good fortune. You will find many bracelets with two heads facing each other exactly as pictured on the standing stones in your video. China itself includes many languages & ethnicities but YDNA O is dominant with minority D & C representing indigenous groups. The Steppes including northern China (inner Mongolia,) Mongolia & Xinjiang include many YDNA including R1a, R1b, Q, J, L & O's brother N. It is my understanding that YDNA N once held a dominant position in the Yellow River flood plain & that the area including a rich diversity of ethnic groups including many currently found in Manchuria, Mongolia, Xinjiang, India & Central Asia & Eastern Europe. In Chinese history one of the founders of the State of China was ChiYou who is revered today as father of the Hmong - Miao. ChiYou is painted as a Genghis Khan type hero with (Viking) horns! We know that his tribe had cattle & that others did not. He fought & lost a famous battle of Zhoulo about 2500 BC. He is credited with introducing forged weapons to the battlefield & employing chariots & cavalry. The legends say he lost much of his army in a flood (possibly man made). There is a memorial tomb to the White Dragon near the (place where the horses gave out) that definitely appears to have Scythian decorations! Any surviving Jiuli tribes were forced to migrate away from the area. This timeline corresponds to the dispersion of YDNA N to the North West, North & North East & some Miao tribes who lost all their men went to the South. There was a significant migration from eastern Asia to the Baltic including YDNA N & Udmart redheads from East of the Urals.

Ancient initiated knowledge. Sacred geometry. The cross is a representation of the fixed astrological signs of Leo, Scorpio, Taurus and Aquarius. The pillar will show the constellations as observed from the direction of sight. (Just an observation but the pillar is covered in eaoteric knowledge. Think of the pillars at Gobleki tepe)

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

Nonesense

@ApocalypseofMichael

Ай бұрын

@@danielferguson3784 Not at all.

Just a thought; it seems like it would have been pronounced sky-theean rather than sith-ian, because "C" was pronounced like "K" back then. I don't know, but it seems that it would have been.

Have they found any circular Pictish grinding stones?

@willmosse3684

Ай бұрын

Good question

It looks to me as though they mark location of water. The dowsing rods and concentric circles imply this.

Love your work. I'm R-BY19776 and J1c3g. Soooo mum's a Pict, dad's a Gael?

Compare the art of both peoples, certainly kinship can't be denied between the different tribes...

The larger, double discs represent the (upper) summer and (lower) winter solstice. They are both attached to a pole, representing the stillness of the sun in the sky at these times. The zed rod at 90 degrees represent the equinoxes, where the rate of change in the days is the fastest. The upturn on the left represents spring, with sprouting fruit and culminating in a spearhead representing hunting time. The downturn on the right of the zed rod represtents fall (or harvest time), with a basket at the bottom to hold the harvest. I'm guessing, here, but it seems to fit quite well. Many, many megaliths are tightly tied to one, two or all of these special dates. The ancients used these solar "landmarks" to mark the passage of seasons. Also, using 8 genomes to represent an ethnic group is preposterous. How did that paper get published?

By the way, Eurasian nomads have very similar arts 12:30. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iGaeqrqFXbnQlqw.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/payuq5eLhq6baaQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/dndkzLaqicrbhaw.html In a sense, there was a similar story in the Bulgar-Tatar (Kipchak) ornamental art. In the 9th century, they adopted Islam. In Islam, the image of animals was prohibited, so the style of the ornament began to be depersonalized. Animalistic motifs, as it were, began to be embedded in a floral ornament, uniting in a common meaning. Modern ornamental art can be like incoherent Scandinavian knit. But the general form and symbols preserve a very ancient archaic structure. In academic sources, you can find a description of triangles, circles, some lines and forms, so on, since for nomads each line, shape and flower had a sacred meaning.

hey that was really interesting! thanks! However, I may have to watch it a couple of more times because alas, I am American and I had a very hard time understanding your accent.😅 May I say, that is NOT a criticism of you! But if anything of me, since I’ve never interacted with Scottish people, but have maybe only watched a video or two about the Scots accents. Wellll anyway, I enjoy these type of history videos nonetheless. So yah I guess I’ll watch again and catch more words next. Oh side note like another time, I was hanging out with my buddy. His wife is from Liverpool. Her cousin had came state side to visit. And I could NOT understand a single word he said his Liverpool accent was so thick!😂 But he was totally cool about it. Plus also he was a professional chef and he cooked for us and it was awesome. Interestingly, he could perfectly understand our Texas American accents.

@nozrep

Ай бұрын

oh also, I intentionally turned off subtitles because I wanted to challenge myself to understand by listening

Maybe it is a dumb question, but could Bede be using the name Scythians for different people than we do? Because I wonder if they even knew of the existence of the Scythians near Ukraine at that time.

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Good question. Scythia was a name used well before Bede by the ancient Greeks for instance (Herodotus for one), so Bede probably was aware of this and the general area but he could of got mixed up as well. That is a possibility. The Declaration of Arbroath also references Scythia though in relation to the Scots, so there must have been a story going around around those times.

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

Yes because by Bede's day all regions beyond the Roman Empire in Europe were to Roman minds the same, & the land was conflated as Scythia. This was confirmed for the likes of Bede by the name Scania/Scandia for the north/Baltic region. So coming from anywhere beyond the Roman world was to be Scythian, even though in reality that meant northern Europe. The Irish legend had the Picts as a mercenary force, led by a Roman renegade, arriving from somewhere, maybe Spain, to settle beyond the reach of Rome. They had no women, & the Irish directed them to Scotland, because it was short of men. This was to legitimise the occupation by association with Rome, as many origin stories did at that time. This doesn't make the legend true.

I had a bad back through hard work. I was so desperate for relief of pain i used magnets . It worked for me ,, Later in life i was in the Highlands from wher i believe my father originally came from .It was said to me by an old man after i explained to him the way i used them .That the picks had a great respect for black sand . Magnatight . Which the round magnets i used where made of ,,they where round with a hole in the centre. Tsuptau.???

The Anglo Saxons had the same DNA as the Scandinavians at one point in History. You cannot rely only on DNA to research the past. Read the Declaration of Arbroath. All of the past indigenous of Britain were related to each other at some point. They settled in Britain at different times but all coming from the same place. The Scandinavians were at one time Scythians as were the Anglo Saxons.

@Mathaiorthedoxy

Ай бұрын

No Majority of Brittish people Scotish Irish And sone English Are R1b Indo Aryans Descendent While most Scandenevians I-m253 Which Is mostly Western European Hunter Gatherors Descendents..

@mikloscsuvar6097

Ай бұрын

The Scandinavians were not Scythians. Both are descendant of Yamnaya.

@herja-youngodin2040

Ай бұрын

@@mikloscsuvar6097 King Odin the first king of Scandinavia was the Scythian Supreme Ruler. This is well documented. Recommend you research it more. They were very much Scythians as were the Anglo Saxons.

@Thunor93

Ай бұрын

​@@herja-youngodin2040i live in norway, what you just spouted is false, also Odin is originally a Germanic God not Scandinavian, he was known as Woden, Woten, Wotnaz. Stop spouting lies and false information. There is no such documents or stories of such a thing so nice try. Stop maming crap up. And no they are not Scythians either, infact the people of Scandinavia have been living there for over 10,000 years and even have DNA to hunter Gatherers that lived there almost 40,000 years ago. The Scandinavian along with the Celts are the oldest living people in Europe with tools discovered dating to about 900,000 years ago, it was also discovered our ancestors in europe used fire as far back as 2 million years ago. Infact there is more and more evidence showing that the oldest Humanoid fossils date back over 7 million years ago in europe wich is far older then the oldest thought fossil found in africa. Also You would have 1% dna no mater how long ago your ancestors lived, it will still be in your genetic coding. It does not disappear and sorry but no the vast amount of Scandinavians do not have Scythian DNA in them. Get lost you wacko.

@kilipaki87oritahiti

25 күн бұрын

lol no. Europeans today are a mixture of various peoples that migrated from the Middle East and Central Asia over and over again: 1. Western Hunter Gatherers: black people with blue eyes, originated in the Middle East. 2. Anatolian Farmers from ancient Turkey. 1st to domesticate animals and plants, who brought agriculture to Europe. 3. Yamnaya, steppe horse warrior culture from Ukraine. 4. Germanic farmers aka “Vikings”, or the Norse as they were not one set group of people or ethnicity, but a cultural wave. Viking was a profession: piracy, originally trading. Europeans and white people in general is the result of genetic defects due to isolation, intermixing, and the consumption of cow breast milk and gluten/grains.

I've always thought the mirror shape looks like a broach

The picts were red indians chased across North Africa by Joshua who then ended up in Ireland and then Alba. always look at a scottish persons nose, if it's beak shaped then they have Pictish blood. read Boswell's life of Johnson about their tour to the Hebrides in 1848. their were many dark skinned Picts still living their.

Bede may have been monk; era of books and records kept and read by monks; Scottish Declaration of Independence and/or Treaty of Arbroath (name and spelling?) explicitly claim, in those documents, that ancestors of Scots came to Scotland by way of Scythia. Some claim etymological association of terms "Scyth" with "Saxons", with some claim of Israel descent by name of Saca, from "Saca" derived from Isaac, father of Jacob/Israel. I didn't make this up, just recalling a few data points that can be checked for any factual basis at each point.

Scythians - one of your favourite peoples ... never would have guessed 😁 My money's on them being 'Treaty' stones between different tribal groupings, with the rings being settlements and the broken arrow symbolising the end of hostilities, possibly through marriage alliances.

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Love it, thanks. That's a great theory

@hondacbrification

Ай бұрын

Broken arrow 🏹 doesn't really means that. A tribe where often understood to be a arrow hence like in Ugar,UnGar,InGar,HonGri,Hungarian,Wanger...Onoguri or Ten major Tribes alliances they where associated with Ten arrows where a broken arrow ment a tribe is broken for its either lost its Head meaning clan leader or it has been destroyed by someone.

@iainmc9859

Ай бұрын

@@hondacbrification Interesting hypothesis as well. Unfortunately we can't make direct comparisons between different cultures across different periods of time. Anything we put forwards in the present time can only be at best 'educated' guesswork. Our best hope is that a Roman text ,as yet undiscovered, sheds some light on Pictish symbolism.

@hondacbrification

Ай бұрын

@@iainmc9859 I base my views on actual facts rather then linguistic and other such theories inserted by Mediterranean folk that have no connection of any kind to us. As a Hungarian-MacAr-Scythian I do have a genetic connection to Scottish which according to data is a result of Hungarian-MacAr-Scythian people in genetic and arguably cultural sense moving in to Britain prior to Roman invasion which is why certain Scottish clans appears in My,My wife...and many other Hungarian-Macar-Scythian genetics since they came from our people and lands to Britain which technically makes them Hun-Han-Scythians as well where Hun-Han is a name and so identity which is a title of nobility with its religious significance equivalent with Scythians which in Hungarian is Szkíta while Scottish are called Skót like Skoda just with a T. Add this fact that Gál is Hungarian surname linked with Turan which as surname is known to be the Hungarian version of GauL and Gael which like Hungarian surname Gálvölgyi meaning From Valley of Gál being something that points out the Árpádian(Carpathian) basin also been known to Hungarians as Valley of Gál or for example the Hungarian pig breed being called Mangalica is being called as such because Hungarians called themselves as ManGál or Gál-Gaelic-Gaul Man which a word from which the word Mongol have derives. The animals as such had a tribal related meaning where the calendar as such was based on such animals and folk stories since they where starsigns hence when people talked about certain tribe such names actually actually a information as to where such people live...which like many other things clearly Scottish don't really know any longer due to process of Romanisation. As for the Elk or Deer 🦌 it's a sacred Hungarian animal associated with Royalty with a Divine connection per to say which clearly appears in Scottish culture or so called Tyr-Tur related stories. Long story short if you are interested in the topic I will attach one of my answer regarding the Hungarian-Macar-Scythian connection and that of Scottish below from a Hungarian-Macar-Scythian fact based point of view. www.quora.com/Where-did-the-Scottish-come-from/answer/Nem-Tudom-10?ch=10&oid=1477743756813011&share=ea7d2770&srid=h9tQgH&target_type=answer

@iainmc9859

Ай бұрын

@@hondacbrification 1 - Essentially you are saying there was genetic movement east and west, no doubt there was; as well as north to south, or from any other point of the compass. Gauls settled in Anatolia (St Paul's Letter to the Galatians) and were used as mercenaries across Europe, Western Asia and North Africa. 2 - Taking from that that Pictish symbol stones and specifically a broken arrow symbol are related directly to Hunnic/Scythian tribal symbolism is at best tenuous and anthropologically unproven. 3 - My point about the Romans is that they did have contact with the early Picts and as the Picts did not have a phonetic writing system that we know of the best we can hope for is an as yet undiscovered ancient latin text giving some insight as to what Pictish symbols meant. BTW - your link was blocked by Google Chrome.

That Z-rod is a rotational symbol and the spear with the serpent means it's direction of movement. What is rotating? I'm pretty sure it's of astronomical meaning. I wonder how the stone is aligned, and what stars (maybe at a specific date) are in the place where it points. The twin circles could mean focal points of rotational pairs, like Earth and Moon, Sun and Earth and so on. Our ancestors were good at astronomy. They must have known Kepler's Law long before Kepler's birth. That other symbol with the handle reminds me of an ouroboros, another rotational serpentine symbol. That comb is also found in German heraldry. It means the Holy Trinity (which in this case predates Christianity by ages) or the Concept of 3 and 4.

I had wondered how Scythia was pronounced, whether the "C" was hard or soft?

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

I think no one really knows and academic "experts" seem to pronounce it different ways

the two spheres could also represent when the poles shifted, as they did a few times in history. people always watched the skies and their observations saw many changes in earth's history by noticing changes in the sky.

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

This idea is ridiculous.

The depiction of the bird strongly suggests that the Picts kept and trained Golden Eagles from the mountains to help in hunting and also to attack predators, using the natural territorial instincts of the birds, taken when young, they imprint on their holder. There is still descendents of Ghengis Khan that use eagles to hunt, so I'm not picking this from nowhere. That suggests to me that Pictish leaders unleashed Golden Eagles upon the enemy.

My last name is Löwe. I traced my last name Scottish lineage and found that Lowe's were (Clan McLaren) of course it also ties into Norwegian, Danish, and Germanic lines. All came from The Tribe of Dan.

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

No they didn't. You cannot use Bible mythology & a name trail like that as if it's real, because it isn't, there is no connection.

@markwilkie3677

Ай бұрын

You wrote Löwe (with an umlaut) and Lowe without. Löwe is German for lion and Lowe an English surname from the same route.

Seems a stretch to link the Picts to the sycthians. However other Iranian steppe peoples could have influenced the Picts like the Sarmatians. The Sarmatians were definitely in the Northern parts of the modern UK, serving in the Roman army as auxiliary and foederati troops. Good video though

Really, on the Scythian question, you have to begin by asking who Bede (or Bede's sources) meant by the term Scythian. He probably didn't mean horsemen of the Central Asian steppes, and the term Scythian is known to have been borrowed to refer to other ethnic groups. For example, medieval Jews used the term to refer to Germans, and that's why Yiddish-speaking Jews came to be referred to as Ashkenazi, since that's Hebrew for Scythian. I believe Lithuanians have also been identified as Scythians. So Bede's story may well be historically accurate, depending on what Scythian is supposed to mean.

Is 6'3" tall in Scotland?

The Z-Rod double disc symbol is found on boundary markers all over Pictland and is probably the mark of the Royal sept or Clan lineage. Picts were likely matrilineal and wheat sheafs often represent fecundity, life, birth, female aspect. They also acknowledged both descent lines...hence the double disc. Notice the other end is almost phallic. Why discs? Perhaps ancient influence from the Phoenician maritime culture that was Sun Disc (Bel) worshipping. Scythians would have encountered Phoenicians on the Mediterranean. Scythians may have been ferried to Pictland by Phoenicians.

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Thanks, interesting comment.

Bede is commonly known as the Venomous Bede in Wales, because of his stubborn ignorance of his neighbours, the Britons.

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

I think Bede knew the Britons more than you do. He spoke with them.

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

The Welsh were probably ignorant of Bede too. Those in Wales were hardly his neighbours.

@davewatson309

Ай бұрын

Indeed he did, what i am saying is he related the histories of anglo saxon realms way on down south yet does not the Strathclyde Britons, virulently pro Roman, educated by Celtic Christians. Northumbria is stuffed with Brythonic place names yet does not credit those with British names in Northumbria, such as Caedmon, Chad and Ceallin with British ancestry with a loyal contribution, read the ranting Gildas but does not acknowledge the Christian civilisation of his time

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

@@davewatson309 That's because there were written records from the south from Augustine on available to Bede, but the Irish/Celtic church was viewed as heretical. Yes these people have Celtic names, because the Irish church was first in the area, but people can have names taken from ethnic groups other than their own. Barbarians even chose Roman names occasionally, so even English natives could have names of any origen, as they do nowadays. A name, or even a place name does not prove the ethnicity of the people who use it. There are virtually no Brythonic names throughout much of England, while some names for rivers etc are only presumed to be so, but may well not be.

@davewatson309

Ай бұрын

Hm, show me an area with no Brythonic place names in England. Northumbria is full of them, there are churches dedicated to Kentigern in the Lothians, nnearby. I just think Bede was prejudiced and propogandist. Perhaps it was the ravages of Cadwallon who chased the Northumbrian Angles onto the Farne islands just before Bedes time. Or the pain of being chased out of the North by the picts. What area would you like to know Welsh place names in?

Not money stones, but landmarks. Clan/family areas.

I think there is a huge gap! Your video and many other youtube videos about R1a, R1b ydna mentions that these ydna haplogroups are just indoeuropean. I do not agree with such an idea. Because, R1a, R1b ydna are mutated from P1, R, R1 ydna which exist mostly in uyghur, altai, tuva turkic people and nivkh people of siberia and central asia. Moreover, there is a big question: "If R1a, R1b are just indoeuropean, who were I1, I2 ydna people widely existed in eldest cultures like gravettian, globular amphora etc.? Which language were they speaking? I1, I2 males were dominantly europoid phenotype and gave genetic heritage to modern european populations. Moreover, according to eurasiatic language theory, indoeuropean languages derived from uralic-altaic (more possibly uralic) or dene-caucasian languages as classified relatively. I think, after I and R ydna have mixed eachother, indoeuropean languages formed accordingly and gathered a wealth of two different distinct cultures. Eastern and western eurasian cultures have mixed in eurasia. True or fantasy, Odin myths also tells about an eastern culture (possibly different language family having runic alphabet relative to turkic inscriptions) have dominated europe and mixed with local european cultures. Some turkic scholars could have read those runic inscriptions located in far northwestern europe. Could this be a sign of partial uralic-altaic ancestry of european people? Why not?

@willmosse3684

Ай бұрын

Well, the genetics show that the Indo-Europeans were descended in large part from Ancient North Eurasians who lived in Siberia. I haven’t checked, but there could well be Ancient North Eurasian ancestry in those other groups you mentioned. So a common heritage could explain those links? Regarding I1 and I2, they were I believe European Hunter Gatherer lineages, which survived in Southern Sweden coastal areas right through the whole Neolithic Farmer period until the arrival of the Indo-European Corded Ware peoples. At that point, there seems to have been a mixing of the Scandinavian Hunter Gatherer, Neolithic Farmer and Corded Ware which formed the origin of the Germanic people, culture and language group. Hence I2 being a strong Germanic marker today. There was a paper by Lazaridis et al released just this week about the origins of the Proto-Indo-Europeans, and another paper (I forget by who) about the origins of the Germanic peoples released in the last few weeks. Both worth reading if you are interested in this!

@andrewheaney6858

Ай бұрын

Brilliant insights, references and credible knowledge guys, great input indeed 👍

Scythia - Scotia

The thing to say alongside "related to" is "when". Because, if we assume that mankind was originated in Africa, then all of us have been African descendants.

These look like the Armenian Vishapakar (Seaserpent/Dragonstones) -- some of which were also (re-)carved into crosses.

The Milesian Irish said Ireland was peopled by successive invasions of competing Phoenician tribes.

@Leontemplar-yt6ff

Ай бұрын

Nope original clearly says Milesians are Gaels who sail to Ireland from Iberia.

@derekpmoore

Ай бұрын

@@Leontemplar-yt6ff the Gaels are Gadelians who descend from Feniusa Fearsaidh the founder of the Phoenicians. The Gadelians are the lesser royal line of Niul. The senior royal line was called Nenual.

@derekpmoore

Ай бұрын

@@Leontemplar-yt6ff yes, the Gadelians were in Galicia for about 300 years before taking Ireland around the time of the late Bronze Age collapse. They came to Galicia after a 700-year stay in Galatia, which came after their almost 1,000-year stay in Egypt and Golgotha.

@Leontemplar-yt6ff

29 күн бұрын

@derekpmoore The Galatians came after the collapse of Alexander’s Empire and the conquest of the massive Achaemenid Empire, based on timeline they are not linked. As the Gallaecians are alot older than the newly migrated Galatians into turkey.

@derekpmoore

29 күн бұрын

@@Leontemplar-yt6ff I’m referring to what the Irish annals say about the chronology…

I was expecting an accent when i clicked on this video, but damn that's thick haha. How can we look so much alike and sound so different?

With the depiction of animals as well as the Christian cross, could that indicate a crossover of beliefs?

They represent two different worlds.. look at the connection between then, the demarcation line is the zig.. there is the physical world and the mystic or spiritual world...

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

No, the symbols represent families/tribes, & alliances between them, set up at boundaries more than likely.

I think the Z rod refers to Zerah, the ancestor of the Milesians who took Ireland and parts of Scotland more than 2000 years ago. The two globes could mean they moved from one half of the world to the other side, which the Milesians had done, coming from the Middle East through Northern Africa and southern coasts of Europe to Spain to Ireland.

Very interesting. Let’s face it though - the Scythian origin story was never going to be anything more than myth. The Picts were Bell Beakers, the same as all North-West Europeans. It’s not only those 8 medieval samples that show it. If the Picts were Scythians, then Scythian DNA would show up in modern Scotts. It doesn’t. It seems quite likely that the Picts were the northern end of a language-cultural-ethnicity continuum running from the North of Scotland to the South of England. Once Rome conquered the southern 2/3 of Britain, they built their wall(s), and they referred to the people in their imperial province of Britain as Britons, and came up with another name - Pict - for the Britons to the north of the Empire’s northern limit. It was quite possibly the Roman Empire that created an ethnic distinction between people who previously would have been a continuous series of Brythonic tribes north-to-south. It’s also interesting that the word Briton (Pritani in Brythonic Celtic) means Painted People also. The Roman word for the people to the North of the Empire has the same meaning, but in Latin instead of Brythonic. It is also possible, however, that the Picts could have spoken a pre-Celtic Bell Beaker derived language? When the Celtic language/s entered Britain probably in the Iron Age, Celtic came to dominate, but perhaps in the far north the pre-existing language survived? I can’t remember where, but I saw something reported from some genetics/linguistics paper somewhere that seemed to suggest that as a possibility. If that were the case, then that probably would mean an ethnic split between a Britonic south and Pictish far north even before the Romans split the island. That has a certain romantic appeal. But if I had to bet, I would bet it was the Romans what done it…

@herja-youngodin2040

Ай бұрын

Have you read the Declaration of Arbroath? DNA is only part of revealing historical pasts and not always accurate. The Picts ,Britons, Vikings are all of the same people who arrived there in Briton at different times and in different waves. Some sailed to Briton by way of the Mediterranean Sea, others were Cimmerians, Goths, Scythians. Scythians were a loosed grouped peoples and migrated North and West in different waves. They ruled the Steppes for almost a millennia. The Picts could have very well had a Scythian past.

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

The Bell Beaker connection is meaning less after thousands of years. The Picts may have a origin in Scandinavia, Skandia in Roman records. This was conflated with Scythia, meaning all places beyond the Empire in Europe. Hence Bede means the Picts came from Denmark/Norway, & spoke a none British language, for both English & Britons needed interpreters when communicating with them. He may have been mistaken in some things, but he was a contemporary, so knew more than we do. There was always movement of people across the seas around Britain. The Sutton Hoo site of the 7th century is very Scandinavian, indicating strong links between that area & eastern England. Therefore there is no problem with Picts sailing about the northern sea about the islands of Shetland & Orkney, the western isles, & Denmark/Scandinavia.

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

There was not a Celtic speaking mono-culture in Britain when the Romans arrived, but a mix of people's of different origin, who had crossed the seas to the islands at various dates, some very long ago, & some much more recent. Only the 'tribes' of the far west can be ascribed as most likely Celtic, as the Silures are notedly like the people of the Iberian peninsula, while in the east, close ties across the Channel & North Sea indicate that the people's of that area were more Germanic, while the Caledonians were related to Scandinavians & northern Germans by the Romans.

@willmosse3684

Ай бұрын

@@danielferguson3784 I have never heard any academic who studies this subject posit this theory of pre-Roman Britain. The Britons ALL spoke Brythonic Celtic - the ancestor of modern Welsh. This is in the historical record. Germanic languages, whether Scandinavian or from further south, did not arrive in Britain until the Anglo-Saxons - the period from whence the Sutton Hoo burial comes. If Bede wrote this of the Picts that is interesting. But I have never read or heard any academic or student of this topic posit that the Picts were speaking a North Germanic language. Do you have any citations for this? I would be interested to read or watch any archeo-linguistic, archeo-genetic or archeological studies/papers/videos about this.

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

@@willmosse3684 You likely have never heard of it because everyone has just followed the assumed line of all Britons speaking Celtic, on no real evidence. There is NO historical record of what language the Britons spoke, & certainly nothing to prove this was throughout the whole area of the British Isles, or even the near continent for that matter. The Classical authors hardly mention language, except Tacitus says the Aesti people of the eastern Baltic language was like the Britons. These are thought to have been part of the Suebians group therefore Germans, certainly can in no way be described as Celts. Does this mean then the the Britons, or some of them also spoke german. It does suggests Scandinavian/Baltic link across the North Sea. See S Oppenheimer 'The Origins of the British ' DNA study, which explains the anomaly with the conventional story. He clearly explains how a more Germanic based population is likely for much of what became England, BEFORE the migration period, in fact before the Roman. Tacitus among others tell of the connections across the seas, & the Parisi & Belgic presence in east & south confirm this, as these are Not Celtic peoples, but German. Add to this the repeated employment by Rome of Cohorts of Germans from the 1st century on, witness the Vindolanda tablets, of Batavians & Tungrians, Auxiliary units of the Roman Army, with increasing numbers over time, including the Suebians, who proclaim their ethnicity in altars to their God Garmangibus, proof of their German identity. Thus there needs not have been a great shift in language at the 'coming of the Saxons' , when much of the Province already were Germanic in language & culture, tempered by hundreds of years of service with Rome, when the main difference was between citizens therefore Christians, & the enemy who were pagan.

I think it looks like a bird in flight.

The test group for dna was too small to prove anything. In contrast the Viking dna study had a huge sample base.

mate that z-pinch stone looks it was already extremely old back then, one of their constellations but also a scheme for explaining some physical principle to initiates (like see hand of Sabazios, especially because of the serpent being a sort of title of the whole composition) this is definetely not steppe or any other indoeuropean lore, local anatolo/atlantic that died of with the 'papars'/pents who the norse claim to be jews (prly to make themselves feel better about their age old reptile overlords) but are actually the same stock as guanches/berbers/garamantes (and even dogons) ultimately going back to natufian

The Irish manuscripts tell us that the Picts were Thracian. It was the Gael who were Scythian.

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Bede says Scythia as well for the Picts, and the Declaration of Arbroath mentions Scythia in reference to the Scots as well, so lots of references to them, the Picts included though.

@andrewchristie2713

Ай бұрын

The Scot’s are the Gael, “ the feni from fenius, the Gael from Gaedel , Scot’s from Scota”.@@celtichistorydecoded . Geoffrey keatings histories give the details. The Irish manuscripts tell us that the Gael were scythians coming out of greater Greece as were the thracians presumably both being under the purvue of Greece as vassal states.

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

But Thracia, beyond the Empire was the same as Scythia, these were the mercenaries led by a renegade Roman, who became the Picts in Scotland, in the Irish legend.

@andrewchristie2713

Ай бұрын

@@danielferguson3784 the Irish manuscripts the arrival of the Gael and Picts takes place around a thousand years before the Roman Empire existed

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

@@andrewchristie2713 but it's mythology, you can't expect accuracy, especially for dating. Such folk memory is fanciful, fragments of truth mixed with loads of imagination & guesswork. Most people's have foundation myths that are nonsense.

That serpent looks an awful lot identical with greek Omega.

Possible some mixed later in History after Rome, as they married into royal houses . But as a people proper no, We would call them Turkic today and they have a unique appearance

It looks like a grinding stone to me

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Thanks. I agree.

10 min in for DNA if clicked for that

@celtichistorydecoded

Ай бұрын

Use the chapters, that's why I put them in

l don't know anything about picth people, but l known something about sycthians. Most of them have R1a1 y DNA and a few Q1b , sycthian Kings found in a Valley had Q1b. Eastern sycthians joined Xiongnu tribes and join in Turkic tribes. For example %50 of men population of kyrgiz have r1a1a Z93 subclade Z2125. So this Native island population has R1b. l think they might be releated with yamnaya culture. This only my prediction.

I thought the Scots/ Gaels/ Celts were the Scythians who invaded the Picts who were already living in Scotland before the Scythians/ Celts arrived. The Romans distinguished between them, they were not the same people.

@Leontemplar-yt6ff

Ай бұрын

You were fooled ! And a silly scaly wag rum drinker!

The Picts knew that in the northern hemisphere the water spirals clock wise and in the southern hemisphere the water spirals counter clockwise? 🤯

@danielferguson3784

Ай бұрын

What could the Picts know of the southern hemisphere? This is total nonsense. Not even the Greeks knew that. None of these ever saw the southern hemisphere.

Atlantis?

Pictish are piket in sud Italia and pik -a,-ë is world in Albanian(Arberia) language.arbaniti

Picts were conquered by Bretons and Scots after the Romans left, and the Romans built a wall between Roman Britain and the Picts from the north to keep them out. However we know for a fact many Picts disguised their cultural identity. Many of the Picts did have Gaelic Irish wives and did settle inheritances on their daughters, letting their sons gather lands to themselves as they could. My Adams ancestry with the deBeaumonts show this pattern often. It is not because they had no sons to settle on, or that the sons were suspected as having been fathered by others, as some have suggested, it was the Gaelic demand that daughters should inherit lands and fortunes. The Picts blended into Scots and Irish families to survive and changed naming traditions accordingly to make an effective legal disguise. This was tougher for those with many tattoos of course, eventually the tattooing went out of style in favor of safety among the Anglo-Saxons and Danes among whom they wanted to just blend in harmlessly. You can usually detect families that stemmed from the Picts by their heiress daughters. Genetically the Irish and Scots have more in common with each other from intermarriage and frequent more dance marriages of conquered women in raids and wars. They also have Viking and Danish genes from the many times these invaders won battles and laid their seed upon the surviving women before abandoning them to return to the sea. Vikings were sea king plunderers, not farmers or settlers, though some Danes saved by King Alfred became part of Southern England and were later called the Anglo-Saxons. At least 3O soldiers surrendered to Alfred with Guthram and were allowed to stay in England provided they would be loyal subjects of Alfred. That is just one example of many invasions that became emigrations for some who decided it was better to stay in what is now Britain. Travel and trade with the British Isles was easy by ship. It would not surprise me that DNA from most of the Mediterranean region would make its way there in some percentage over more than 4 centuries of trade and movement westward to find respite from Magyars who pushed Scythians west. Much of Europe has some ancient Chinese royal heritage through the princess who married magyar and Xionghnu warlords, among which was Attila, who gave his daughters as diplomacies to as many European royals as he could find. Lots of white descendants of Europeans thus have some mix of Mediterranean and Asian legacies and don't know it. Search your ancestry, people, you will find out we are all just one family. Royals like to marry each other, and nobles like to marry royals when they can, so once you find a royal in your family tree you will find many more. Back to Pictish DNA, it supports completely that people from the Middle East and Asia came west to settle Northern Ireland and Scotland and possible married with the Celts who may have been there when they arrived. Some of the DNA comes from what was ancient Troy, Greece, and Italy. Romans left their heritage through marriage to social climbing Britons during the Roman occupation, and that is another way our DNA came to evidence people groups we would not otherwise assume to find in the British Isles. Anyone who has worked in ancestry going back 20-60 generations is going to find millions of ancestors from parts of the world they never suspected to own, but the markers of every woman in a human's blood were left by every woman who was part of your huge family tree. So we are the world in more ways than one. All of it is fascinating to me. Thanks for posting this.

@Fox1nDen

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More dance ? In mor danico is the term for women taken as spoils of war.

Dear editor, I2 is from Serbian people, not Russian. Russians are R1A. They came to Scotland but also in Scandinavia under the pressure of R1b Celts (4000 years ago) coming from modern Turkey / Africa and Scythians R1A from Russian steppes when they destroyed Vinca neolitic culture, but also ancestors of Basks. Scythian name is by Greeks reused name from Serbian language which is word for -to wander. Old Greeks had all the people of Slavic language / culture called Scythians. From Scythian ocean(Baltic see) to Balkash lake and Altai. Both coming from serbian word -blato or -mud. Roman name was Sarmat - what is distorted form of Serbian word - Sa-brat what means brother or relative. Brother tribes lived in principalities called "knezevstvo" (from the word -knez came word -king/konig) or Sclavonias in Latin. They gave Rome most of the slaves during the first centuries of uprising against Rome in Illyricum, Moesia, Thracia, Dacia. People in cities were romanized, but not in rural parts. And those above Limes on Danube river who were helping them. Finally in two wars in the 6th century Sabrats broke the Roman power and pushed them in Constantza, Thessaloniki, Constantinople and Athens. They clean them from all of the Balkan area like they made with Osmans 1300 years later after centuries of slavery. Those mentioned were only tribes with whom Romans came first in fight and nicknamed the same all the others, but there were a lot of other tribes. Slavic name was first used in 5/6 century, before that all western and southern Slavs were called Sabrats or Sarmats from whom Serbs got their name. From the same word came the word -serf. Serbian kings are the only ones who bear the title Rex Sclavorum. Czechs and Poles were first mentioned in the 9th century, Croats in the 16th when the forgery of Porfirogenetus came out of the catholic church which was assimilating the rest of the Serbian empire as a shild to Europe. Slovenes and Slovaks first in 18/19 century under Habsburg rule. Russians, Ukrainians, Bielorussians are part of Scythina flock. Bielorussian also have 20% of I 2 group. Together with Poles east of Vistula river- who are real steppe Polanie. Lechs western of Vistula river to whom belonged Miesko first king of modern Poles are mentioned in chronicles as Serbs or Sabrats. Huns, Avars, Ugars ancestors of the modern Hungarian nation are also Scythians. Bulgars also. They mixed up with domestic tribes of Serbs when they came. Albanians came from the Caucasus mixed with Arabs and later Sicilians in the 11th century. German school which was adopted in west (but no more) in their Drang nach osten lied about the resettlement of all Slavs from Ukraine. Sabrats or later Slavs were already settled where they live now when Germans(R1b plus I1) came from Scandinavia. Otherwise only eastern Scythinas were nomadic (from which come Andropovo, later Sogdiana and Kush, Tochar people- all ancestors of modern Tadziks mixed with Persians) running away from Turks. Royal settled Scythians were in the Pontic part mixed with Greeks, and nomadic who lived with Turks in Central Asia.

@Leontemplar-yt6ff

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“R1b Celts (4000 years ago) coming from modern Turkey / Africa” those are 2 different continents be specific.

The Declaration of Arbroath and the Irish say that the Picts came from Scythia also , the question here is WHY , why would Bede and these other sources make such a claim ? I think that the researchers need to do some more research and part of their problem is that they look at things through "evolutionary glasses"

@hondacbrification

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I as a Hungarian-Macar-Scythian to have some genetic connections to pre Roman Scotland where various Scottish clans appears in my genetics whom according to archeo-genetics have been Hungarian-Macar-Scythian meaning they moved to Scotland but where not from those lands.

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Bede's account sounds a lot like the Scoti's origin story. The DNA and the stones show the Pecht were from the bell beaker culture, and that means they were the indigenous people of the Doggerland coast when it still existed. The Irish (and the Orkadians?) DNA represents the people who preceeded the beaker people into the British isles, back when there was still a land bridge to cross. These newcomers are also the ancient stone circle builders, and the markings on the stones of Newgrange and Brodgar clearly tell us that the people who called themselves the Pecht have been here for more than 6,000 years.

@TrueNativeScot

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The Irish are not pre-Bell Beaker, infact they are among the purest of Bell Beakers in all of Europe

@JoesWebPresence

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Thanks@@TrueNativeScot I stand corrected. It was probably also the case for the Orkadians too. The bell beaker crowd really seem to have taken over completely, and I suspect they had a real advantage over previous inhabitants. I don't think it was a violent conquest though. They probably had a numerical advantage too, and when they turned up with their fancy new ways, the best the locals could hope for was to form marriage alliances and integrate into the new social order.

@danielferguson3784

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But by the time of the Picts the Bell Beaker culture was way back thousands of years, long gone & forgotten, with many new immigrants since.

@JoesWebPresence

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Clearly not@@danielferguson3784 That has been the Oxford academic's position for many years, and probably still is, but the DNA evidence and the recent archeological finds confirm these are the same people. Their ancestors live here to this day. According to Latin-o-philes in academia, the Picts magically appeared in 54 BC and disappeared again in 608 AD. Like Bede, this fitted with their political agenda, and now we know they were wrong.

@TrueNativeScot

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@@JoesWebPresence Orcadians are also Bell Beakers. Some of their direct paternal lines do come from the Early European Farmers who lived on Orkney before the Bell Beakers came, but their autosomal DNA is Bell Beaker. They later gained some non-Beaker DNA (Nordic Battle Axe) via their Norse ancestry

White Israelite Tribe of Dan. That's where the snake comes from. The Danites, Danes.. Tribe of Dan created the Longboats of the Viking Danes. The boats moved like snakes on top of the water.

I was always told the Picts were more of a language group rather than a separate genetic/cultural group. ?

@celtichistorydecoded

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Well it's the Roman name for the people in north east Scotland but they were an actual group, made up of seven kingdoms, with Fortriu being the most powerful, even though it's not clear what they called themselves from my understanding. They then merged with the Gaels of Argyll to form Alba in 843AD.

Most like scytians,sarmatians and thracians around Black see,are with prity the same DNA and spread in all Europe.Thracians,are oldest,even greeks,take much,from thracian mythology,if not all,as latins took,from greeks.First man made gold is made,by them is found in Varna.And check the map of Yamnaya peoples and migration,Scythia and Sarmatia,Onoguria and Old Bulgaria of khan Kubrat,from Dulo clan and bulgarians migrations and stack the maps one on top of the other,bloody weird?Healt and happynes