Stanley Kubrick directed the moon landing. He was such a perfectionist that he insisted on doing it on location.

@phildavenport4150

Жыл бұрын

An oldie but a goodie.

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

Wow, first time I ever hears that! Did you make it up yourself, or did you have help?

@Hatasumi69

Жыл бұрын

@@jonsmith3945 Acting like everyone writes their own jokes and expecting original comedy material in a comment section. 💀

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

@@Hatasumi69 It's just disappointing to see the same mindless shit spewed out by someone deluding themselves to think they're clever. My advice to those people: tis bettr to remains silent and thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.

@Hatasumi69

Жыл бұрын

@@jonsmith3945 I feel as though you are ironically playing the other side of the coin; the ubiquitous, overly-cynical response to flippant comments - there's nothing new in your response or theirs, just a pair of jesters lacking cleverness and signifying nothing except that they both take the value of comments too seriously for different reasons. Perhaps we should all remain silent and if we do comment, let it at least be positive since it's been consistently proven that negative/mocking comments don't actually change a person's mindset or habits - the joke of the cynic's response is they are creating more of what triggers them in the long run while expecting unrealistic results from such low forms of entertainment, which is admittedly funnier than the original joke here at least!

A corollary to the 'no stars visible' argument that I've found is popular sci-fi shows. Such as Star Trek TNG where they sit around the table in the briefing room, fully lit up in normal 'office light' levels. And sure enough, just outside the window we see all the stars perfectly visible. I would argue that if the light levels in the room are typical, then you wouldn't see those stars for the same reasons as them not being visible in Apollo pictures. Only in a darkened room would the stars show up like this. Just another example where pop-culture and science collide. Many folks probably expect visible stars because of such pop-culture.

@critthought2866

Жыл бұрын

You hit it right on the head.

@a0r0schulz

Жыл бұрын

Same for the recent Artemis images - the live pictures from the real on-board cameras showed no stars due to the limited contrast, while the animated scenes, being unlimited be such constraints, showed stars in the background of moon, earth and the spacecraft, apparently to look more appealing to the public.

@jex-the-notebook-guy1002

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/e5-luZeyZMqacbg.html why not the earth being pasted into this moon image from nasa?

@michaelszczys8316

Жыл бұрын

You should be able to take a picture of stars out in a dark field at night. You should also be able to park a white car lit up with bright spotlights about 20 feet in front of your camera and still be able to see stars around the side of the car, right? Then if you can still make out any stars change the exposure and lens aperture to make the car focus in and not just be a big blob of light and tell me if you can still see any stars.

@gunternetzer9621

Жыл бұрын

Very good point. I have always argued that pop culture has overtaken science.

Albert Einstein once said, if you can't explain it simply than you don't understand it. This man does exactly that he put it so nice and clear that even a child would understand.

@dst1311

Жыл бұрын

Just because one can explain something doesn't mean it can be executed. Einstein himself was all theory and no show.

@TimeHunter2305

Жыл бұрын

@@dst1311 You should've googled the true meaning of the word theory before posting your reply.

@carlsummers2316

Жыл бұрын

@@dst1311 I'd say he's pissed on the nutters theories

@phildavenport4150

Жыл бұрын

@@TimeHunter2305 Try banging rocks together. That's about the level of his understanding.

@Im-BAD-at-satire

Жыл бұрын

@@dst1311 The words theory and hypothesis aren't synonyms.

I had just turned eight. Watching the landing live with my seven siblings and parents is still the greatest birthday present I’ve received. Almost all of us sitting around our black and white console TV cried from happiness after seeing that human miracle. I later became a tech teacher because without (the proper) use of technology and highly educated and dedicated people the landing would not have happened.

@Foebane72

Жыл бұрын

I was born in 1972, but I knew about Astronomy from a young age and knew that the Moon landings happened because everyone else did, too. But decades later, to see a new generation of ignorant young people and older people deceived by the Internet defiantly state that the Moon landings were FAKE, all of a sudden, was extremely galling to me and most other people. No wonder Buzz Aldrin punched that young Moon landing denier in the face when accosted in the street, who claimed that his greatest achievement in life never actually happened DESPITE PHOTOGRAPHIC and FILM EVIDENCE to the CONTRARY!

@eliot1625

Жыл бұрын

You habt to wach morgen pictures they

@johndough9020

Жыл бұрын

You got hoodwinked!

@eliot1625

Жыл бұрын

@@johndough9020 Do you know that the Freemasons have a lot of Flat Earth Signs in thereTempels ?

@johndough9020

Жыл бұрын

@@eliot1625 I don’t know what you mean. Is English your first language? What are you trying to say because I am interested.

Armstrong died being called a liar and a fake. Extremely brave man is what he was. RIP Neil Armstrong 🙏

@chorianafricaltd.1835

11 ай бұрын

Just surprised there're no more Armstrongs born nowadays to repeat this feat. Or NASA lost the manuscript to return to the Moon?

@tex-mex4082

9 ай бұрын

@@chorianafricaltd.1835It’s incredibly expensive for little reward, we already know much of what we need to know about the moon. Only reason we would go back is to colonize and establish bases and that is extremely extremely expensive and intensive.

@Limit5482

15 күн бұрын

Not by all. Only some but I wonder if he had the choice would he have done it again

Hey guys. I am 74 years old . I was a professional photographer at the very time that the moon missions happened. I used the same Hasselblad camera they used. As per Nasa. Nasa has admitted that the camera was not modified in any way. They could not have taken a tenth of those photos without adjusting the time or apertures. The guys not only could not adjust the settings because of their gloves. They also had the camera strapped to their chest. Not to mention that temperatures were incredibly high and somehow the camera and the film was made to work in incredibly bad conditions. I could go on and on about how much they faked. Those photos were taken by professionals in studio conditions. Use your discernment.

@physicalivan

Жыл бұрын

agree. this dave is not a photographer. this dave is try to debunk with obvious arguments that don't prove anything.

@Iserate

Жыл бұрын

You're dense af

@physicalivan

Жыл бұрын

@@Iserate truth hurts

@niksandy7125

Жыл бұрын

Heat and temperature are two different things. And the camera was modified enough in order to work with the gloves, the guy in this video. As for having it on your chest, they would have trained for that. Try duct taping yer cellphone to yer chest and go around taking pics without glancing down at the phone, after 5 mins you’ll find it ain’t hard.

@physicalivan

Жыл бұрын

@@niksandy7125 easy to say that.

It's light pollution basically, when you're In a city with a bunch lights, you can't see nearly as many stars as you can In the country, but on the moon during the moon's daytime, the surface is just too bright. Even on earth when the moon is full, it is bouncing so much light back to us, that its hard to see certain stars and planets and galaxys with a telescope.

@nightmareTomek

Жыл бұрын

Spot on. I lived in a small town and now in a big city, wandered through completely illuminated streets and pitch dark forests, and I have a telescope, too. Light pollution is a big hindrance for star gazing.

@ekojar3047

Жыл бұрын

@nightmareTomek I live in a very small town and I still have problems with the 1 single light on the eclectic pole going to my house. It's so bright, I can't see anything in that direction!

@nightmareTomek

Жыл бұрын

@@ekojar3047 xD Kick that thing! I have that idea that cities should turn off all lights between 3 and 4am. So the nerds can see nice things. I guess that's not going to happen because everyone's too worried...

@kornelobajdin5889

Жыл бұрын

Exactly why people say if you wanna see milky way. Do it far away and at no moon. You can than see it with your own eyes. Cuz there is no light source that big.

@ronashman08

Ай бұрын

Sorry the Moons sky has no atmosphere to light the sky or distort the darkness of space, stars would be visible on the Moon on many of the shots, City lights will light up the molecules in the atmosphere on Earth, hence no stars visible in Cities, all they would have to do for a clearer immage of the sky is point the camera to the stars a little more so as to not allow too much moonlight to interfere with the image exposure to moon surface light

To put it into perspective.. Stars and galaxies put out around 25 lumens when viewed from Earth. In Space that number is around 40 lumens. The sun puts out 13 Quintillion lumens of light. When you think about your average street light being bright enough to wash out starlight, what do they expect when you've got brightest object in our solar system lighting things up.

@peterharris38

Жыл бұрын

Great comment although I don't think that deniers know what a lumen is or can comprehend quintillion .

@mynameisray

Жыл бұрын

@@peterharris38 good point, I probably should have included all the 0s. lol

@FakeMoonRocks

Жыл бұрын

Lighting things up? What do you mean? Like how, here on Earth, the Sun causes the atmosphere to glow blue, on a clear day? Except there is no Earth-like atmosphere on the Moon. So, your comment about your average street light being bright enough to wash out starlight, does not apply, because that is also dependent on the presence of the Earth's atmosphere. Nah, the argument is misrepresented and presented as a strawman argument here, yet again. It has nothing to do with photography. WE KNOW, using regular camera settings, stars won't appear on film. It's been established a long time ago. No need to keep recycling the same old, tired strawman argument. The issue is SEEING stars from the surface of the Moon, by Apollo astronauts allegedly standing there. And not one of them mentioned seeing what would have been a lunar sky filled with the brightest, sharpest points of light. No atmosphere means no twinkling. This guy, in this video, is conceding that the stars would have, should have, been there to see, but just wouldn't show up in the photographs. Fine. Except, as I said, no astronaut has mentioned ever seeing any. After Neil Armstrong said stars could not be seen, at the Apollo 11 press conference, that had to become the official word on the matter and, ever since, the issue of seeing stars in outer space, not just on the Moon, became problematic for NASA. Cue the excuses... _The astronauts had tinted visors._ Tinted visors that could be retracted up into the helmet. We have photos and video of that. _The Sun was blinding._ For every mission, the Sun was within a few degrees of 15 degrees above horizon. That is relatively low. Meaning, it would have been easy for an astronaut to turn their back to it. _The reflection off the surface was too bright._ Nope. The Moon's surface has an albedo of about 15. Meaning, it's about as reflective as worn asphalt. Not white as snow, as some Apollo imagery depicts it as. Go ahead and find the photo of Buzz Aldrin saluting the flag and try to tell me what is supposed to be the lunar surface, would be blindingly bright. Aldrin has his visor in the upright position, in that photo, by the way. _The astronauts were too busy to notice._ Yeah, sure.

@mynameisray

Жыл бұрын

@FakeMoonRocks - I'm happy to address this as soon as I get in the door. It's a it too much to go through over mobile.

@swinde

Жыл бұрын

@@FakeMoonRocks Even with the tint eliminated, They still had transparent solid glass or plastic over their faces, and sunlight lighting up the surface of the Moon. Turn the lights off in your house and try to look through a glass window and see stars in the sky. You might can see Jupiter or Venus (bright planets) but virtually no stars. Sirius might be bright enough to see.

On the moon shadows only work if a light source was let's say about 93 million miles away

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

"On the moon shadows only work if a light source was let's say about 93 million miles away" Proof?

@dr.cheeze5382

Жыл бұрын

@@jonsmith3945 excuse me sir, DID YOU WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEO?

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

@@dr.cheeze5382 Yes, I watched the fucking video.

@5peciesunkn0wn

11 күн бұрын

​@@jonsmith3945clearly you didn't actually watch the video since it completely disproves your claims.

@jonsmith3945

11 күн бұрын

@@5peciesunkn0wn Which of my claims is disproved ?

Another point about the "fill light" is that I suspect Armstrong is standing in full sunlight to take the picture and blasting Aldrin with reflected sunlight from his lily-white spacesuit. Armstrong constitutes a HUGE fill-light reflector.

@Jan_Strzelecki

Жыл бұрын

Indeed he is. When NVidia tried to recreate the "Aldrin on the ladder" photo, they couldn't get it right _until_ they've realized that they haven't accounted for the light reflecting off the Armstrong.

@brabanthallen

Жыл бұрын

In fact, if you look at the photo of Aldrin coming down the ladder of the LM, on his boot overshoes, you can actually see the reflection of Armstrong's white EVA suit. Look at the heels of Aldrin's boots and you will "see" Armstrong. The reflection is directed right at the position of the camera (Armstrong).

@narajuna

Жыл бұрын

....suspecting he if facing the SUN to take a photograph? On MOON where she is very strong? Very strange behaviour with a LOW Sun.

@johnguilfoyle3073

23 сағат бұрын

@@narajuna Are you suggesting that Armstrong should have waited for better lighting to take this iconic photo? Or that Buzz should have waited inside the LM? Or that they should have moved the LM to face the Sun?

@narajuna

15 сағат бұрын

@@johnguilfoyle3073 That is thee Question! Am I or not.... far as I gather he is creating the Lighting ( standing in full sunlight to take the picture and blasting Aldrin with reflected sunlight), so if shaded would not be any "fill light" right? Lord o Apollo who knows what I am suggesting. ps: abnormal (or retarded?) to take a surface photo directly facing (low) SUN (no atmosphere= morning full blast SUNRAYS)

Mobile phones, that do incredibly difficult thinks using computational photography (HDR, luminosity masks, focus stacking, ...) have made a lot of people think that they're "experts" in photography. Gave them and old medium format camera and some 120mm film and let's try what they can do with it. :)

@milanforever7014

Жыл бұрын

lacking the basics. that applies to anything else in life ;)

@Sola_Scriptura_1.618

9 ай бұрын

That is precisely why I question the results. The photos are too perfect! The quality of the images in terms of focus, aperture, are just bang on. The amount of time, energy, and expertise required to accomplish the quality obtained is mind-boggling, which is not even factoring in the environment and astronaut gear! Not to mention, this was all done on film, and there was no ability for retakes

I love how they credit the Hollywood producers and directors with doing such an AMAZING job of faking the landings ... yet they somehow forgot to put in the stars!!! LMAO 🤣🤣🤣

@ghz24

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the Kubrick claim kills me when you look at 2001 it's obvious he would have been outed as a fake in less than a year. Any surface examination shows dozens of mistakes that would definitely have shown it was all wrong.

As an Amateur Astronomer, I know all too much that a full moon in the sky ruins a good night of viewing.

I'm really enjoying your videos. You directly address them and steelman their arguments, just to proceed to explain + show how it works in real life, with well crafted explanations and footage. If I ever made a video on this topic, this is the kind of video I'd like to make. Thank you so much.

For all those who think the photos are fake, recreate them with film today.

@maxfan1591

Жыл бұрын

Even better, if they think the video was faked, they could try recreating *that*.

@tma2001

Жыл бұрын

yeah like photographing stars during a full moon with the same exposure as daylight shots that the astronauts used! funny how conspiratards never mention trying that as a debunking proof!

@gowdsake7103

Жыл бұрын

We are not on the moon

@driftlesshunter9200

Жыл бұрын

@@gowdsake7103 That's true! We haven't been there since December 14, 1972.

@tma2001

Жыл бұрын

@@gowdsake7103 any other bleeding obvious pearls of wisdom you would like to share ?

As I recall, the two places you showed with the mountains in the background are actually quite far apart. However, the moon has no atmosphere to speak of and there is no haze to indicate distance. The mountains are in reality quite some distance away, hence the great similarity in the silhouette as seen from those two sites. The other thing I would point out is that stars are actually visible in some of the photos, but it requires increasing the brightness of the shots to see them - they are very underexposed (as one would expect for shots exposed for the lunar surface).

@kylie_h1978

Жыл бұрын

"As I recall, the two places you showed with the mountains in the background are actually quite far apart." About 1.5 Km

@SECONDQUEST

Жыл бұрын

@@Jim_Jones_Guyana oh thank you, that's really interesting. I hadn't heard about that before!

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

the mountains would also look similar from different positions if they were a backdrop, which I believe is the case.

@kylie_h1978

Жыл бұрын

@@jonsmith3945 "the mountains would also look similar from different positions if they were a backdrop" Well no, because they would be 2D if they were a backdrop and so there would be no parallax at all so there would be no difference. Unless you are going to suggest that they used a 3D background, though then you would need to also have a huge place to film it all because you also have the added complication that all of this was also shown on live TV footage.

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

@@kylie_h1978 By measuring the parallax of objects in the foreground, you can determine how far away are objects in the background. A Russian scientist did this and determined the backdrop was about 100 ft or so distant. I believe the landings were faked and years of debating with landing believers has not uncovered any new evidence or made a new argument to change my mind. So, save your breath.

As someone with no interest in being a photographer at any level I am definitely hoping for more videos of a similar flavor I.e. Applying your expertise to topics that touch on broader social phenomena. I have rewatched all the moon/flat earth videos multiple times and will multiple times more. Love the channel’s style, solid epistemology & entertaining delivery..can’t ask for more.

@apathyreview3964

Жыл бұрын

Your comment could have come from the algorithm itself. Broader reach etc.

It's a shame that no matter how you explain the facts, there will be those who refuse to be swayed. I find the deniers usually have a political agenda or personal objection/dislike of the entity who accomplished the task. I like your approach to this topic. Just the facts.

This Moon "hoax" thing is getting very tired. But apparently there's still money to be made off of it.

@SECONDQUEST

Жыл бұрын

There will always be money in denying what other people say. Check out conservatives in America. Tons of money selling Trump merch.

@TheCromcrom

Жыл бұрын

@@SECONDQUEST you are stupide mixing science and politics, but non Wonder grom a probable leftist science denier

@rona5945

Ай бұрын

Agreed; these points are easily debunked. However, he did not address the more compelling oddities.

@user-hj7ld4ff7p

Күн бұрын

__ When they didn't get to the moon they had all this failed rocket science to dispose of so they invented leaf blowers. --Thor

Reality is hard, and when reality is hard, it must be fake. Because that's an easier explanation to deal with.

@jmatasomo2660

Жыл бұрын

This sums it up ,kzread.info/dash/bejne/a4mNrcawfte7npc.html

@ItsSVO

11 ай бұрын

Spot on.

Imagine some Hollywood producers and editors seeing the released moon landing photos and being like "YO WE FORGOT THE STARS"

@trueriverking1976

Жыл бұрын

So you are attempting to use the same woeful logic used all through these comments... the fact it looks fake means it must be real. No, the fact it looks fake means it might be FAKE. The reason they did not add fake stars to the moon soundstage is because it would have been too difficult to reproduce accurately. It would have been possible for anyone on earth to do the calculations and check that the position of the stars in the pics. They would have had to project the whole sky and had it moving in synch with their claimed timings. It would have added a substantial layer of complexity with a chance of giving the game away

@Antigen__

7 ай бұрын

​@@trueriverking1976It does look real though, you might just not have a good enough grasp of how reality works. But who knows, maybe one day you'll go up to the moon and confirm this for yourself

@trueriverking1976

7 ай бұрын

@@Antigen__ Wow, powerful stuff. You've really got me there. You fake moon landing shills don't have anything, do you? So how does reality work, then?

@ythinder

11 күн бұрын

Oh dear

@_I__AM__GOD_

7 күн бұрын

Lol I can get photos of stars from earth.

I really appreciate how well you explain all of the different aspects of this as well as also making the point that all of the arguments made in an attempt to disprove the reality of the moon landing, actually prove the reality of it.

@johndough9020

Жыл бұрын

“As well as also”?

@Calango741

Жыл бұрын

@@johndough9020 What, you don't like repetetivity, redundunancy, and repetitiousnessess?? Then you probably don't like saying the same thing twice or saying the same thing twice and you probably also don't like saying the same thing twice or saying the same thing twice also... 🥴

@trueriverking1976

Жыл бұрын

You think that video and the laughable collection of comments under it prove the moon landings were real?? The only thing they "prove" to me is that 60 years after the event you still haven't come up with a half way feasible story

@Calango741

Жыл бұрын

@@trueriverking1976 Your ignorance and your confidence in your ignorance are truly astounding. How someone can be SO WRONG and yet believe they're so right to the point of mocking others who actually know the truth, is truly amazing. And just for the record, it was a little less than 54 years ago.

@redpillpaulie2304

Жыл бұрын

Only an Indoctrinated Monkey would believe we landed on a Light bulb.

The biggest problem I have with the lunar landings is the land scape. It always abruptly ends. It should go on as far as the eye can see as with the Mars rover images. But they don't they end abruptly. No mountains far off in the distance, no long expanses of rising ground. Nothing it seems to end a short distance away.

@adamdavis7291

Жыл бұрын

Biggest problem I have is we don't have the tech today to land there. We were more advanced in the past than the present. Seems odd just saying..

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

That quote is always taken out of context The technology from the 60's is gone because it's been completely superseded by new tech The companies that built the components don't currently have the manufacturing systems needed to build those components because they've moved onto far newer components Look into the navigation computer for Apollo - it's not a silicone chip like all current computers, it was a hand built computer with each memory module individually placed by hand

@critthought2866

Жыл бұрын

They picked the landing site for Apollo 11 so that it would be flat and relatively boulder-free. Therefore you're not going to see much in terms of mountains and the like. Later missions did land closer to mountains/hills, albeit not large ones. The video shows an example of this from Apollo 15. Mars is twice as large as the Moon, so its horizon is farther away than the Moon's. Mars has an atmosphere (albeit thin compared to Earth's) while the Moon does not. Atmosphere affects distance judgement. We use its effects as an aid to determining distance. The fact is, other than the 12 men who walked on the moon, not one of us has ever seen anything with our own eyes that isn't in air. (if we're not under water, obviously) Our brains are used to evaluating things that way. We look at the photos and film from the moon and try to interpret them based on our experiences. Unless someone has either an expert eye, or takes time to break the images down as Dave did in the video, they're just not going to easily be able to make good judgements of distance.

@chameleon47

Жыл бұрын

The biggest problem you have is in not understanding that because the moon is half the diameter of Mars, the landscape might NOT go on "as far as the eye can see". The moon is 1/4th the size of Earth, and half the size of Mars which means the horizon is much closer than on either. Also, Earth and Mars have an atmosphere, which causes a haze, making things look farther away than they do in a vacuum, such as on the Moon, which has no atmosphere. Another problem you have is that you are not realising that if you noticed a "problem", that NASA would have as well.

@kevindiaz3459

Жыл бұрын

@@critthought2866 the whole, none of the rest of us have been there, is an argument I have used. People want to declare how things would behave on the moon as a counter-argument, when the reality is they wouldn't know how it would behave. The thing about the flag and the footprints are the most common. "They wouldn't be like that!" Well, you don't know that, and I would say that since that is what happened then yes it would be like that. More of your typical "this hurts my argument so I want to ignore or discredit it" type BS.

Another factor in play with the images of Buzz Aldrin exiting the LM and descending the ladder: Neil Armstrong's suit. It acts as a reflector, backfilling the shot. Nvidia simulated the graphics of the shot and couldn't match it up until they realized the direction the extra illumination was coming from. There's a KZread video covering their efforts.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the extra details Bob, much appreciated :)

@bobblum5973

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan You're welcome!

@williammcconnell2576

Жыл бұрын

IF YOU CANT DAZZLE THEM WITH SCIENCE BAFFLE THEM WITH BULLSHIT

@bobblum5973

Жыл бұрын

@@williammcconnell2576 Interesting comment, which I've heard variations of for the past 50 years or so. But I'm not sure which side of the discussion you're on, just from that. (Oh, and the ALL CAPS mode is only required if you intended to be "shouting" the comment, FYI.)

@UnicornUniverse333

Жыл бұрын

@@williammcconnell2576 yup

Ran into a guy that thinks that light needs a medium or an atmosphere for things to be seen. Literally thinks that without an atmosphere there would be only darkness.

@chriselliott2112

Жыл бұрын

You didn't run into him hard enough.

A lot of the supposed discrepancies in the astronauts answers about seeing stars or not comes down to the basketball passing effect. There's a famous video that asks you to count the number of times a basketball is passed by one team in a basketball game- then asks a question about the game that catches people completely off guard. This is a demonstration of the effect of ignoring seemingly obvious distractions when focused on doing a job. Keep in mind that at this point there had several disasters or near disasters in the Apollo program. The Three astronauts on the moon landing missions had to be incredibly focused on what they were doing- they had a near 0 margin of error with regard to everything they did. Simply stepping into a small crater or missing the ring of the ladder as they were climbing in and out of the lander could have resulted in a fall and a damaged suit that could have killed them almost instantly. To say that YOU know you would have acted in that situation is ludicrous. There's a reason there were so few early astronauts. Those men had intense training, specialized skills, and a focus on the job at hand that bordered on superhuman. Any mistake made by them could be their last, including the men left behind on the orbiter as he was the ride home for the guys on the ground. One mistake in attitude control and the orbiter would out of position to dock with return module. If you think they had time for stargazing or playing tourist in space you are a moron. I'll listen to any of your dumb theories when YOU qualify to be a NASA astronaut. Until then you are not worth my or anyone else's time.

@hanro50

Жыл бұрын

One of the missions had their on-board computer fail. Requiring the crew to land the mooner lander by hand. The irony was that in the panic of having to deal with their on-board computer failing, they completely overlooked the fact that they apparently had a backup computer they could have used...

@gunternetzer9621

Жыл бұрын

@@hanro50 Because the computer was ‘blind’ and couldn’t compensate for sudden increases in gravity fields, it could put the lunar module down in a crater or on a steep slope, so the commander always took manual control in the last minute or so to ensure a safe landing area. Also, no self-respecting test pilot would let a computer do his job.

@gunternetzer9621

Жыл бұрын

It has been pointed out that while walking on the Moon in direct sunlight, astronauts could not make out even the brightest stars, because their pupils were constricted in reaction to the bright sun, and this is partially true. The Sun’s radiation is very harmful to eyesight outside of our protective atmosphere and the astronaut’s EVA helmet that was worn over the ‘bubble’ helmet of the pressure suit had two moveable visors. The outer visor was gold coated to protect them from this radiation and also filtered out relatively dim light sources such as stars. Several Apollo astronauts reported that when they stood in the shadow of the lunar module and lifted their visors, they could easily see stars. But with the combination of both bright sunlight and the visors, it was impossible.

@Scudboy17

Жыл бұрын

@@gunternetzer9621 good point. It's like driving at night. Oncoming headlights- especially driver who drive with their brights on (a-holes!) make it hard to see anything due to glare and pupil contraction.

@michaelszczys8316

Жыл бұрын

@@gunternetzer9621 the astronauts had to be looking through the equivalent of arc welding shields in the harsh light of the sun which was like a bright carbon arc light. Try looking through a welding shield at the night sky and let me know how many stars you see.

Imagine believing we never landed on the moon when we can literally shoot a laser at it and it would reflect off of a mirror we put their...

@dogwalker666

Жыл бұрын

Exactly non of the deniers can handle the retro-reflectors it always shuts them up.

@antoniobateza1771

Жыл бұрын

@@dogwalker666 the funny thing is that it's an experiment they can do themselves another thing they can do is track the ISS the ISS even rotating around the earth proves the existence of globe and gravity... They claim gravity doesn't exist then how is the sun even in the sky how is it rotating none of them can give an equation or scientific theory to how this even happens and just say well "God" God is what they think is a scientific theory

@Jan_Strzelecki

Жыл бұрын

@@dogwalker666 Nah. They usually claim that "we can bounce lasers off the bare surface of the Moon!", unfortunately.

@dogwalker666

Жыл бұрын

@@Jan_Strzelecki they tried that however when I explain that "Retro" Reflectors rotate the polarised laser light 90 Degrees which is why they are used in Industrial sensors, They spit out their dummies and run away.

@Jan_Strzelecki

Жыл бұрын

@@dogwalker666 Ah, okay. Fair enough. I'll need to remember that for the inevitable next time 🙂

Stars in a daylight photo on the moon would actually prove the photo to be fake. But it would actually fly in a dumbed down universe.

@ReValveiT_01

Жыл бұрын

Yup. But even funnier is the fact that these denier blockheads 'think' (loose term) that white dots on a black background are impossible to fake for some reason.

@ReValveiT_01

Жыл бұрын

@Andre Doesn't surprise me. YT algo's are extremely snowflakey these days.

To take the pictures, they would have to use the most insane flood light ever created. Baseball stadiums use dozens of lights to make it like daytime for the players to see. They also have 4 or more shadows following them on the field.

@williammann9176

Жыл бұрын

Bodvarson They were there at Lunar morning. The sun is shinning. No need for secondary lighting.

@bodvarson1933

Жыл бұрын

@@williammann9176 I meant if it was faked on a studio

@nightmareTomek

Жыл бұрын

@@bodvarson1933 Baseball stadiums don't aim for making it look like it's the sun shining.

@gunternetzer9621

Жыл бұрын

@@bodvarson1933 The fact that there are no stars in the Apollo photographs simply shows that NASA knew how to work a camera, because of the short exposure times required to take pictures, given the brightness of the Moon's surface in daylight. Photographic techniques of the type required to hoax a moon landing did not exist then.

This nice guy is petting a dog and he sounds really smart. You can trust him completely, even if red hot chili peppers tells you space is made in a Hollywood basement. 😂😂😂

@UnstableNucleus

Ай бұрын

Yes, even the RHCP can smell the cheese 🧀

Dog: C’mon man, tell them the twuth….and give me a dog bone treat. 😂

@mpirokajosephmgcokoca2355

Жыл бұрын

Hahahahahahaha 😀

Another reason for the direction of shadows not appearing parallel is the topography of the moon. Mythbusters did a good recreation of it using a model so good that it made yours look like a Lego figure stood net to a ball of tin foil!

11:43 There is no atmosphere and large mountains can appear close by, because there is no natural haze that we get on earth that helps us gauge the distance. Hence the photos can be taken at different places but the mountains looks the same because they are actually further back and bigger.

@hydra70

Жыл бұрын

There's an interesting video from one of the landings where the two astronauts see what they think is a small hill nearby and decide to go check it out. They are hopping over there for a minute or two while chatting before realizing they aren't getting any closer. It was at that point that they realized the small hill nearby was actually a large mountain far in the distance. We are adapted to using atmospheric haze when gauging distance, and the lack of atmosphere really messes with that ability.

As a person who's NOT a scientist, it's good to learn this as I used to believe the Moon landing was fake. It just shows; knowledge is power.

@milanforever7014

Жыл бұрын

fair play to you sir :)

@narajuna

Жыл бұрын

....used to since when? Did you school give you that education?

@stevengrantofthegiftshop1549

Жыл бұрын

@@narajuna Bro there's no need for insults. This ain't the playground. I was referring to believe conspiracies on the internet.

@narajuna

Жыл бұрын

@@stevengrantofthegiftshop1549 insults? You claim to have been a "Hoaxtard"? And you never seen (real) insults???? Apollo conspiracies are *NOT THE PLAYGROUND???* what shell you crawled under from? No background on this dude, but others all have demeaning introductions, shills start with, as your heroes Mythbusters and Attivissimo.

@darts-multiverse

11 ай бұрын

Halleluja you are saved for god's sake. You see the light now. Halleluja.

You are a schill as you only discuss lighting and shadow issues when there are plenty of other issues that prove these photos are NOT taken from the Moon. Why don't you discuss the problem with the temperature and x-rays that would totally destroy the film?

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

Firstly as I explained in the opening - this is a photography channel, so I wanted to keep the video in the context of photography principles which can still be applied elsewhere However I am now already planning another video which will look into the other camera related aspects such as the film and why they wouldn't be totally destroyed. Reasons such as the special emulsion coatings that Kodak put on the film's to help reduce damage from such elements The fact that the radiation exposure on the moon is only around 10x greater than Earth and film lasts years on Earth - so a week in space won't be a problem Or that the cameras were specially modified to be silver coloured rather than the standard black to reflect light and control temperature (in exactly the same way as why the astronauts suits are white, the CSM is silver and the LEM is covered in reflective foil)

@paul8093

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan regardless why not cover everything ? There's way more flaw's then just lighting It never happened we both know it By the way Nasa gets billions and billions of our tax money so don't go thinking it was not worth them lying

@johnshaw359

Жыл бұрын

​@@DaveMcKeegan The film and the camera were both reported as being normal.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

@@johnshaw359 Reported by who? Hasselblad themselves openly state that the cameras were heavily modified (and they should know given it was them who modified it) And Kodak's records show that film was specifically designed for NASA, based on a series of film they produced especially for high altitude cameras

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

Ask and you shall receive: kzread.info/dash/bejne/moCMqtSKYa7LkcY.html

Love your analysis!

What’s really impressive is how well the pictures are framed, taking into account that the cameras were strapped to their chest and they didn’t have a viewfinder.

@williammann9176

Жыл бұрын

Sinclair J Lots of photos were not perfectly framed. In fact one of the most iconic photos from Apollo 11 of Alden has the top of the PLSS cut off. Also they practiced with the cameras during all Lunar EVA training. They got pretty good at aiming for the most part. They also used a 60mm lends which on a Hasselblad is a bit of a wide angle lens so that helped in framing the photos as well.

Thanks for the video explanation. Can you also explain how the camera film was protected from X-rays, Gamma Rays and Ultraviolet radiation?

@andysmith1996

Жыл бұрын

The camera bodies and the magazines protected the film against most of the radiation, but they weren't able to fully protect them and so some of the film does show some damage from radiation. People have this idea that all radiation requires lead shielding - indeed someone the other day tried to tell me he'd been taught in the armed forces that four feet of lead was needed to shield from the Van Allen belts - but that is not the case. The shielding provided by the craft and the spacesuits was enough to protect the astronauts (and the film) from most of the radiation.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

I've did a follow up video which addresses many aspects of the film & cameras including radiation: kzread.info/dash/bejne/moCMqtSKYa7LkcY.html

@kimbalcalkins6903

Жыл бұрын

or from the vacuum, a fact about the Hexagon Spy Satellite: "The whole camera system operated in a vacuum, except for the film which was in a pressurized container," explained Pressel.

It seems many don't understand that these pics are taken in "daylight". The moon is bright. It can light up the Earth so it has no problem lighting up the shadow side of the module.

@XtreeM_FaiL

Жыл бұрын

Technically it was early morning not a day. :P

Chernobyl 1986 on the roof of reactor number workers or ‘liquidators’ as they were better known, toiled for 40 seconds, radiation exposure as high as 80 msg per second, thousands died. How do we know this, there are still photographs taken with a camera. And there is a photograph of the most radioactive object on earth, the ‘elephants foot’ the man who took the first photograph died but the picture survived

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

And.. you know the photo is not a fake because....?

@h.dejong2531

Жыл бұрын

@@jonsmith3945 Because there's no evidence that the picture is a fake.

@niksandy7125

Жыл бұрын

@@jonsmith3945 it’s like what Jong said. But there is further evidence, the fact that radioactive fallout from the explosion at Chernobyl was found on the hills of northern England, which led to a three month ban on eating beef, lamb and dairy from local farms in the area. With this in mind it wouldn’t be a stretch to imagine that such photographs exist. And furthermore, why would you fake pictures of men on a roof of whom thousands died? The Russians tried to cover up as much of the effects of the Chernobyl accident as possible, which could explain why the Russian soldiers who took over the Chernobyl power plant during the early days of the invasion of Ukraine possessed maps that predated the explosion. They dug trenches in the Red forest, the most contaminated area in the exclusion zone. So again why the photographs? Of course, one could argue that the Russians, who supposedly were involved in the moon fakery from day one, did fake these photographs in order to bolster the idea that it was possible for NASA to take photographs on the moon….?

@ReValveiT_01

Жыл бұрын

@@jonsmith3945 Ah, the answer to every conspiracy ---> just keep adding more conspiracy.

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

@@ReValveiT_01 If you studied the subject, you'd know the real ones are all connected. The rest are 'fake' conspiracies like Flat Earth, promulgated by the Intelligence Agencies to muddy the waters and keep you from examining the real ones like the New World Order, now rebranded as the Great Reset. Yes the real conspiracies run far, far wider and deeper than you can even imagine. But I'd advse you to stay away frrom conspiracy theories. Instead, enjoy your bliss while it lasts.

It still remains odd to me that USA didn't go back after 1975, no-one else went there after, and non of us can as yet go there now (give me a long range space drone (/^v^)/...) and as such both sides are conjecture, but why has no-one visited there since? :-Y ...

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

Space drones - a.k.a probes, have been back China, Japan & India each set their own probes that examined the landing sites, all 3 acknowledged that there is hardware left on the moon by Apollo and that the landings happened

@finjay21fj

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan no I really meant a drone like ordinary ppl have, but could go where ordinary ppl can't, to investigate these flag and footprint sites non of us can investigate, because we don't have space equipment. It's alright for ppl to say THEY'VE seen these sites, but we cannot, is my point. China would never confirm USA landings, as they threatened to land there just before lockdown, and NASA panicked :-y

@critthought2866

Жыл бұрын

@@finjay21fj So you're completely ignoring what Dave said, as well as the fact that 3 different countries have all photographed the sites and confirmed what's there. Why?

@finjay21fj

Жыл бұрын

@@critthought2866 maybe I'm wrong, but you asked why. I keep saying that non of us have anything to go on but what we're told, I can't blame anyone for assuming what hey are told is correct as they see it. But we don't see it, we merely hear what ever they tell us. Religious believe "this meat is unclean" all the way to accepting their righteous leaders can freely burn so-called "witches" at the stakes. We were happy to let them do that as we believed the propaganda they told us, we had nothing to go on, we believed what they said, innocent ppl burned. Today we still believe whatever they tell us - from lockdown to "dangerous ecigarettes" to things we can't confirm, like lunar landings. We simply believe what we are told, unquestioning, like willing lambs to the slaughter. Foolish tho it was, we went into not one but TWO world wars, willingly, like lambs to the slaughter. We simply believe what they tell us so willingly - now believe what you want, you'll believe exactly and fully what they tell you, as is their want.

@critthought2866

Жыл бұрын

@@finjay21fj Solipsism may be interesting in philosophy, but it's a terrible way to live life.

All the naysayers are free to think what they want to think. I, on the other hand, DO believe we landed on the moon. Our astronauts are HEROES....AND ALWAYS WILL BE, FOR WHAT THEY ACCOMPLISHED.

Your modeling for various lighting situations was simple and VERY effective.

People don't realize that the video of Armstrong giving his famous speech, being recorded from a camera on the LEM is the first footage of someone setting foot on the moon. They always seem to think that photo is.. Same as they don't understand that the video of the LEM taking off was done by remote control by a camera left on the surface, which is why the pan doesn't follow the LEM very well, someone on Earth had to time it right.

@dogwalker666

Жыл бұрын

Indeed the camera was mounted on the rover. And it was only luck they got it right on the second attempt.

@brabanthallen

Жыл бұрын

The remote control on the rover camera was operated by a guy in mission control named Ed Fendell. Due to the approximately 2 second delay, Fendell didn't get the first two launches very well (Apollo 15 and 16). He practiced a lot for the final Apollo mission and when it came time for the launch, he got it. Third time's a charm.

@mynameisray

Жыл бұрын

@@brabanthallen - That's some fantastic info, thank you!

The fun thing about conspiracists is that they think NASA couldnt even set up a camera trick if they wanted to

@jmatasomo2660

Жыл бұрын

They are good at CGI , kzread.info/dash/bejne/hpOMxNKgYZfTk7Q.html

@warcrimemenace6292

Жыл бұрын

@@jmatasomo2660 that video is so bad it hurts, literally every point he said is wrong

.,,black sky,, Is nothing but walls painted in BLACK FLAT PAINT!!!

@jetpond7904

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes black walls that have to extend millions of miles away 100% possible

@mikeches7992

Жыл бұрын

@@jetpond7904 wow, sounds like a very big STUDIO..😀

@jetpond7904

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeches7992 exactly you have nothing to say about that do you?

@mikeches7992

Жыл бұрын

@@jetpond7904 I have to say THANK YOU WHOEVER CONSTRICTED SUCH A BIG STUDIO TO FOOL EVERYBODY ...THEY PROBABLY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE BLACK PAINT..?!😀😎👋

@jetpond7904

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeches7992 and you just proved my point. Congrats! JT. GNTRN HR NYMRJYMYRJRRYJMRYYJRMG

Beautiful. Simple, fact based description of why this is obvious to anyone who cares to learn about the way this stuff works. Just doing a dive into this channel after your conversation with MCToon. Such fun and entertaining vids, while being packed with information. 👍

What about the moon rocks that they have are those just regular rocks

@critthought2866

Жыл бұрын

There aren't any. Geologists all over the world have examined lunar samples and not one has concluded anything but that they were not of terrestrial origin. And before you or anyone else brings up the Netherlands and their supposed moon rock, that story has been debunked for quite a long time.

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

@@critthought2866 "they were not of terrestrial origin." Yes, but that doesn't prove they came from the Moon.

@critthought2866

Жыл бұрын

@@jonsmith3945 That's true. But it does show that, unlike the initial claim, they were not "regular rocks," nor were they somehow found as pieces of meteorites that fell to Earth, another claim made by landing deniers. Their structure is consistent with having formed in a near-vacuum under low gravity conditions, and having been bombarded with micro-meteorites and radiation as is found in the solar system.

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

@@critthought2866 The point is that all those attributes you list could be true of rocks formed elsewhere in space. There is nothing in there identifying the rock as specifically lunar. Furthermore, the rocks could have come from meteorites. Remove the crust and voila! NASA had a device to simulate micrometeor strikes. It wasn't until after Apollo that Scientists could identify lunar meteorites. Because they had the same attributes as the samples they were previously given by NASA. Then again, the Moon rocks are said to be remarkably similar in composition to Earth Rocks.

It must've happend it was on t.v. 🤣

@quinlan1977

Жыл бұрын

The missions were tracked by radioamateurs.

@lancobear3544

Жыл бұрын

@@quinlan1977 well that settles it.

@user-hj7ld4ff7p

Күн бұрын

__ When they didn't get to the moon they had all this failed rocket science to dispose of so they invented leaf blowers. --Thor

No aperture control, no focus, no shutter speed, no viewfinder, no bad shots.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

They had aperture and focus control on the lens - it also had shutter speed control on the camera There wasn't a viewfinder but it was fixed on a holder on the front of their suit, which means the camera always looked where ever their chest was pointing - and look through the full archive and you'll find plenty of bad shots, they just don't get shared much for obvious reasons

@FFE-js2zp

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan That’s no control. Dials without feedback offer zero control. Not one bad shot was taken. All are masterpieces. Complete sham.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

@@FFE-js2zp You don't need feedback when there are markers written clearly to see - There are lenses still sold today with aperture & focus control without feedback, they still work ... All cine lenses work like this And I'll repeat my previous suggestion, go and look at the Apollo Lunar Surface achieves, most shots are boring, mundane things and many with mistakes - Buzz had 4 attempts trying to photograph the plaque that they left behind to try and make sure there was a good one

@FFE-js2zp

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan No cine lenses work without viewfinders. That’s absurd.

@FFE-js2zp

Жыл бұрын

But the lack of viewfinders and no control over composition or exposure isn’t the big problem. The big problem is a half dozen photos with occluded registration marks. Plus 250F film that melts at 150F, dropping to -250F that cracks in shade, also exposed to the raw solar wind of radiation so intense it disintegrated NASA’s metal probes into dust. That’s a little more than an airport X-ray, which erases film.

Dog just wants him to stop & just pet him, "no more talking about stuff just pet me"

Nicely put . It's made me rethink my original thoughts

Corridor digital and Nvidia did a video on this showing that with their latest ray tracing the pictures are accurate. They built a complete 3D copy of the lunar surface, lander and astronaut then lit it with a single light source and got identical pictures.

@fast-toast

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, with technology from 2023, not from 1960s technology. Also I'm still sure that their are differences in it, even if they are very small.

Landed on the moon and left the moon without any accidents with old technology yet space x is still working out its rockets flights and return landing with today’s tech?

@maxfan1591

2 ай бұрын

The Apollo missions were not "without any accidents". Regardless, Apollo shows what you can achieve if you throw insane amounts of money at a project.

@UnstableNucleus

Ай бұрын

@@maxfan1591 That's why NASA faked it, because it was too hard to do at the time, so they went to plan B. This was not for science & exploration but a show of power purely for political gain.

Flat earthers will watch this with their fingers in their ears

I watched a video a while back explaining we didn't have the technology to fake the moon landing at the time. Primarily due to the "slow motion" effect they'd have had to apply to simulate low gravity. To do that, you take more frames per second, then run the film at 24FPS as normal. So 48FPS running at 24FPS would make the video run half as slow. Which means you'd need twice as much film. Meaning literal miles of celluloid to capture the full length of unbroken time the landings were broadcast live. And that doesn't even get into how ridiculous the astronauts look if you speed up the footage to the "original" speed.

@Schmidtelpunkt

Жыл бұрын

"And that doesn't even get into how ridiculous the astronauts look if you speed up the footage to the "original" speed." That is the true killer argument - one would have to go through all the lengths of slowing down the footage without leaving artifacts and then the result would not even look like the footage.

Easy one to fix, let's use the old Apollo mission technology and go back. Artemis fails again, every year not going back is another nail in the moonlandings coffin!

@ironwork92000

Жыл бұрын

Lmao!!! Check my vids out at ironwork92000. I talk about the bs and the holes no one has spoken about about artis and Webb telescope

@h.dejong2531

Жыл бұрын

That's a dumb argument. It's been 50 years since Apollo. Why would you want to reuse 1960s computer technology, or a design made for 1960s manufacturing processes? Adapting the Apollo design for today's tech would cost so much you're better off starting with a clean sheet. Then they were hobbled by political meddling to reuse Shuttle technology. Artemis hasn't failed yet. Its first launch has been postponed, which is not a big deal.

@cocobeware9442

Жыл бұрын

@@h.dejong2531 Oh yeah, in your head they've successfully launched and came back, many times and you've partied with the Astronauts!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@ironwork92000

Жыл бұрын

@@h.dejong2531 haha what you fail to realize is that their claim is that they cannot remake the technology. Not us being stupid, but NASA being the liars that they've always been. Just getting caught again.

@gunternetzer9621

Жыл бұрын

@@cocobeware9442 NASA did not lose the technology to go to the Moon in the sense that it was forgotten, mislaid or mysteriously disappeared. A lot of the blueprints still exist on file; but the individual knowledge of everyone involved and the “organisational know-how” of how to actually run such a huge, complex project has been lost. Most of the engineers and technicians are now retired or dead. And on top of that, much of the equipment is incredibly dated, and many things cannot be bought “off the shelf” but would have to be specially manufactured. Re-designing from scratch is cheaper and better.

do you know how hard it would be to fake it there so much paper work you would have to fake

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

Nonsense. Everything was real except the walking on the Moon part. They didn't fake the paper work or the technology.

Your videos are phenomenal man. Great work.

1st moon landing: "Fake!" They do it again and again: "um...well...I stay say fake cuz...um..."

@thewildcellist

11 ай бұрын

And when they do cite some "evidence," it's the same 1/2 dozen or so laughable things, over and over. I wish deniers would come up with something new, but I guess that's pretty difficult with something so untenable.

So sad that adults even have to be taught these matters of perspective that many children have learned by 7yo.

Wow, I guess I’m weird. I see stars sometimes even in the morning time when the sun is coming up.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

You'll see some of the very bright stars occasionally but not lots If you look at the high resolution copies of the moon photos there are occasional stars which appear

@CLERIC_58

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan I don't think so, Venus does just about manage to appear in some photos. What some think are stars are merely defects in the emulsion appearing as bright specks. I was told that somebody had identified some real stars in photos taken on the surface but I remain doubtful. If you have information confirming real stars (in photos taken from the surface and not from the Apollo 16 UV camera) then I would be very interested.

@paulinegallagher7821

Жыл бұрын

Have you ever tried to photograph stars? try it. and in space, with sun thats always there? you can only see stars in the morning before sunrise, never afterwards. But like i said, try photgraphing stars when another light source is present. You wont be able to

@user-rc1ke1ef3t

Жыл бұрын

That’s fine but you know much about night photography with a film camera.

@paulinegallagher7821

Жыл бұрын

@@CLERIC_58 is your name humorous or are you an actual cleric?

In the "shadow angle" photo the arrow indicating the direction of the Astronauts shadow should surely originate from the Astronauts feet which must be below the middle of the photo. This would considerable reduce the angle shown in the video.

Regarding shooting images on the Moon with the sun behind the subject, yet still being able to see the subject illuminated: Go outdoors on Earth and photograph something or someone with the Sun partially behind them {but not looking DIRECTLY into the Sun}. The subject is still visible, and NOT completely engulfed by shadow. Funny how that works, ain't it. *EDIT→* RIGHT AFTER I posted this comment, Dave said the same thing in the video. GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE. At least that explains DAVE...😉

The ladder photo does kinda have a second light source. A BRIGHT WHITE ASTRONAUT SUIT standing in the sun with a camera attached to it. Relatively small amount of light, but another bright white spacesuit does a good job with minimal light. Basically does the same job as the big reflector panels photographers use on earth.

@ceejay0137

Жыл бұрын

It also has a much bigger fill light, consisting of _the rest of the lunar surface_ to the left of the image. The Moon's reflectivity is not especially high, around 6% in the mare where Apollo 11 landed, but the area makes up for that.

@fotticelli

Жыл бұрын

True but you have to consider how dark those shadows are and the shadow is just a slightly darker ghost of a shadow. This would not happen on Earth in a desert because the atmosphere scatters some light before it bounces off the ground. Another thing that surprised me is the fact that there was so little shadows in the details of the space suit. I would think the light bounced off the surface would create more distinct directional lighting shining up. The fact that it's not there means that the fill light came from light being bounced farther away because of space being open all the way towards the moon's horizon. Also it's possible that there was a slight hill there bouncing the light. Trying to recreate those little details would be very difficult in the studio as the clip from the movie shows. It was so obviously light that was close to the subject. They spent tens of thousands of dollars on the light source but still could not recreate the real thing.

@grantharriman284

Жыл бұрын

@@fotticelli Tens of thousands of dollars, even in the 1960s is not a lot of money for a project like this. If they were going to try to do what you are claiming they did, they would have spent orders of magnitude more. Even now the technology to do what you are saying they did all but doesn't exist. At that time it straight up simply doesn't exist. So they could only have gotten these shots the simple way. They went to the actual moon.

@ceejay0137

Жыл бұрын

@@fotticelli What point are you trying to make, exactly? Are you saying you think the landing and the photos were all faked in a studio, because the details in the image don't match _your_ ideas of how the lighting ought to look in a very different environment? Have you considered the possibilty that your ideas about that could be wrong, and that what is in the photo exactly matches what would be seen on the lunar surface because _that is where it was taken?_

@fotticelli

Жыл бұрын

@@grantharriman284 They didn't change the emulsion of the materials, they are listing film types that were commercially available at the time. There would be no point, there was no alternative to pig gelatin and three layers of silver halide. Apparently Hasselblad made a film back for them that used 80 mm IMAX type film. Not sure why, probably to have the sprockets. The width of the film that is useable to expose is only 65 mm, not much different from the standard medium format (60 mm). I don't buy the 200 shots on a roll, don't care how thin the substrate was. The standard sizes were 120 (12 pictures with paper backing) and 220 (24 pictures, no paper and thinner plastic substrate). They could do it if they made a bigger back but all the pictures I've seen show the standard sized Hasselblad back. I don't know. I have to read up on it. I used all the types of films mentioned and a similar Hasselblad camera. The one they used Hasselblad EL had electric film advance which was draining the battery like crazy and was not popular. So I'm pretty sure about the film emulsion was the commercially used stuff that Kodak put on different substrate, the film type meaning the IMAX size. Not sure about how thin the substrate was or what frame format they used.

fantastic clearly explained facts!

Thanks for all your input

They jumped to the future and edited the photos with AI program.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

Haha, I think just going to the moon would be easier ;-)

@MM-ig1iv

Жыл бұрын

no they don't have to jump anywhere.. they just edit it today.. and say it's an original when it's clearly not. and no one can prove or deny.. same thing with watching a nasa live feed. it's all bullshit cgi animation

@MM-ig1iv

Жыл бұрын

and again.. that aren't going to let anyone try to prove it or deny. they'll be quick to call you crazy though.. and argue with you like a bunch of 16 years olds.. lol

@kylegroenewald8341

Жыл бұрын

image retouching was the term they used in those days. So it was possible. But........ They did land on the mood...... And the earth is a sphere.

@boazsayar1193

Жыл бұрын

@@kylegroenewald8341 Do you want to challenge my story telling capabilities? There are two time machines. One built by Tesla (the man not the car). The other was brought by Little Green Men to area 51.

That was fun! Thank you.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

First time I’ve heard , understood and okayed with your explanation of why the stars couldn’t be seen. 😮 👍

Yes, in terms of temperature and radiation, does apperture still able to withstand the light source comfortably..thats one of the reason.

I'm not arguing either way since I am not a professional photographer but I do have a few questions if anyone knows the answers. It was said that they took hundreds of photos and many did not come out well. How many cameras did they have and how many rolls of film and how many pics could each roll take? Also were the cameras shielded in any way to protect against dust? The depth of field of the photos were amazing. What size aperture was used and did they adjust the shutter speed and was any adjustments made to compensate for the lower gravity. Sorry for all the questions but the photos always intrigued me.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

Apollo 11 took 1409 photos over the course of the entire mission They had 3 cameras & either 8 or 9 film rolls (1 camera with 3 rolls stayed in the CM, 1 with 3 rolls stayed onboard the LM and the rest were the ones to go out on the surface) Each roll was either 160 shots (colour) or 200 shots (if it was a B+W roll) No the cameras were not sealed against dust, only 1 was going outside, for 2 hours, and stayed attached to their chests, and all outside cameras were left on the surface of every mission rather than carry the extra weight home Camera were shot generally at F11 on a 60mm lens, although they would drop to F5.6 when shooting in shadows Shutter was kept at 1/250th (they were told in extreme situations they could go to 1/125th if necessary) Gravity didn't affect the operation, however the lack of atmosphere would normally impact the focus, however the lens used was produced by Zeiss, specifically designed for use on the moon so they accounted for the vacuum problem Hope that helps

@tsmith3286

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan Thanks for replying!! Did they weigh that much that they needed to leave them? You would think something as valuable as this not meaning the cost but in terms of what they accomplished they would have brought at least the first one home.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

@@tsmith3286 In the grand scheme of the Apollo program, the surface cameras were relatively inexpensive and they were never being used again. They had loaded up with over 20kg of moon rock samples, the weight of which had to offset, especially given that the ascent engine wasn't as powerful as the decent stage and if they didn't make orbit then it was game over

@maxfan1591

Жыл бұрын

@@tsmith3286 "You would think something as valuable as this not meaning the cost but in terms of what they accomplished they would have brought at least the first one home." The rocks collected by the astronauts were many times more valuable than the camera.

@h.dejong2531

Жыл бұрын

A lot of detail on the Apollo photos can be found in the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal.

You talk about light source and perspective but fail to mention temperature and the effects of Temp. on film. Film in space, in a camera, would expose itself. Not to mention radiation. You know that radiation belt that keeps us from going into deep space, where the moon is. So we went to the moon because we had the technology to things we can't do today? Does that make any sense? Basically, what NASA is saying is we've lost the technology that put us in the Moon, or we can no longer replicate it. I'm calling tons of BS on this one and all the pictures taken on the moon.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

It makes perfect sense when put into the right context Firstly the radiation belts vary in thicknesses, we can't travel through the thick areas over the equator which is why Apollo missions flew away towards the poles where the radiation was weaker. The overall radiation on film is equal to the exposure of a about 6 months on Earth ... Film can survive for years on Earth. As for having the technology - before Artimas, the Saturn V was the only rocket powerful to fly man to the moon, that rocket took multiple companies and some 3 million parts to put together, after the program was scrapped, much of the details of individual components was cast aside and the factories producing them were reconfigured to build something else ... To build another Saturn V now, is not a case of throw together one in a few weeks, it would take months alone reverse engineer the design and how to rebuild old school computer components etc etc For the time and money it would take to rebuild an old, outdated design, they might as well build a new, modern rocket from scratch

@johncollins9438

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan thats not how technology works. where are all the new iterations on the rockets? being that the design was " successful " one would conclude that they would have built upon the platform over the years. its should not be a question of recreating what was

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

The rockets were successful in flying to the moon but their design was highly inefficient - pretty much none of the Saturn V was reusable and the load capacity was limited Hence the switch to shuttles as a way to develope a vehicle which was more reusable The technology was nothing close to even a concept for the likes of SpaceX relanding the rocket to be viable

@johncollins9438

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan based on today's tech it's highly inefficient. if it succeeded in its day, why not continue to develope the concepts? SpaceX isn't nasa. where's their continuation of their " successful "model? it's not due to lack of funding. also, why did no other nation make the trip? once pandoras box is opened, you don't just put the lid back on..its all highly questionable

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

Because the costs involved in such infant technologies were insane and being a government agency the costs had to be justified The public had lots of interest at first but once the race to the moon was won, interest in Apollo 12 was significantly less and nobody cared about 13 until it was nearly lost Public interest in moon landings faded as people turned attention to things like the Vietnam war etc Hence the shift to the shuttle because it was sold as the start of the development of public flights to space

That dog learned so much about moon and space flight he will definitely apply for an astronaut spot in the next Artemis mission.

@skxpt1c4l_85

4 ай бұрын

I know your comment is a year old, my apologies, but ngl bro that dog is 100% smarter than any of these "ThE mOoN lAnDiNg iS fAkEd!!11!!" people

Dave takes a close look at the cameras used in this video kzread.info/dash/bejne/moCMqtSKYa7LkcY.html

I have a question for you Brit lefty...Why does the Artemis 1 rocket have male and female dummies to check radiation and atmospheric conditions in order to determine if it's safe for human beings? Don't we "already" send about a dozen men to the Lunar orbit and surface for over 3 days in one instant?

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

Why do new cars go through crash tests with dummies when we've had safe cars for years? 🤦🏻‍♂️ That's before you even get into the fact that Apollo missions were less than 2 weeks long, where as Orion is slated to be carrying humans much further into space (i.e. Mars) so they need to make sure the crew will be safe given they'll be in space for much longer time periods

@SspaceB

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan crash test dummies aren’t done over and over test the effects of hitting a brick wall… they test the cars durability. They used the space dummies to test the amount of radiation and it’s effects. Newsflash we have actual humans that “did it already”.

@ShaneLindie

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan Spoken like a true liberal. There's absolutely no comparison between those two. One is impact testing and the other is radiation and atmospheric conditions. If we had sent people to the moon for only one hour, we would have enough data to make calculations for months or even years of how to human body world react or be affected by these conditions. According to the Apollo missions, human beings landed for and spent time on the lunar surface for over 3 days in one mission.

@masonwright7700

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan cry more groomer

@gunternetzer9621

Жыл бұрын

Why is he a lefty?

Totally enjoyed this. Thx for making it.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure :)

Once again, your videos are concise and well-explained, and they contain practical examples that clarify the points you make. I wish everybody who debunks junk like fake moon landing or flat earth nonsense could be so illuminating. Yeah, I said illuminating in the comments of this video.

I am amazed ghat these videos are coming out. 4 years ago they were all over. Then they disappeared. Now they are back. I love it.

Looks like South Park.

The dog appears to be intelligent .

it is so obvious real i cant wrap my head around why people call it fake without learning more first about photography

Love the videos (and the maths behind them) but I really struggle getting through them without having to rewind multiple times. Rusty is such (an adorably cute) distraction that I realize I've missed 20s or so of content and must wind back and try again. ❤🐶

One look at that lunar module is all it takes to realize that thing didn't land on the Moon.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

One look and you realise it wouldn't have flown in a thick atmosphere But why wouldn't it be able to land in a vacuum in low gravity?

@h.dejong2531

Жыл бұрын

If all you spend is "one look", you only have a superficial first impression. Dig deeper, and you'll see there are excellent reasons for the way the LM looks. This is a machine that is built for one purpose: to land on the moon, and take off into lunar orbit. The weight limits they had to work with meant everything had to be optimized for that one purpose. The LM wouldn't work in an atmosphere. It could barely stand on its own feet in Earth gravity. But none of that matters because it didn't have to do those things.

The existence of technology to put men on the moon in 1969 was very unlikely. Radiation levels in the van allen radiation belts are 1,000 times stronger than in normal space. The crude electronic equipment of the 60s would hardly have survived the intense radio wave interference from radiation of the belts. How could a spacecraft have been guided with malfunctioning instruments?

@critthought2866

Жыл бұрын

Giant rocket to get them there? Check. Ability to predict where the moon would be when they got in its vicinity? Check. Space craft capable of sustaining life there and back? Check. LM with capability to land and take off? Check and check. Experienced test pilots to run all of that equipment? Major check. Seems like they had everything they needed.

@mpirokajosephmgcokoca2355

Жыл бұрын

Hahahahahahaha although according to this guy the photos were taken on the moon surface

@Xernive

Жыл бұрын

@@critthought2866 Fast forward 50 years and where did all those "CHECKS" go? Don't forget to put on your clown outfit lol.

@paul8093

Жыл бұрын

@@critthought2866 good job u can read propaganda and regurgitate it back

@critthought2866

Жыл бұрын

@@paul8093 So you disagree with my statements? Which one(s)? That Nixon canceled Apollo? That Congress redirected the funding as well as cut it? That without money they couldn't buy new rockets? You *do* realize that the first 2 are matters of public record, don't you?

And with this one video, this man's KZread career has been permanently altered. From cameras to crapshoot theories.

@j.ortega7690

9 ай бұрын

Have a look of views on the videos. I think people are more interested on this topic than photography.

@scarletbard6511

9 ай бұрын

@@j.ortega7690 When did I say I thought otherwise, or was unsure as to why? Of course debunking conspiracy theories is more popular than cameras, it's a more entertaining topic. I was just pointing out that this was his first video NOT about cameras.

Can you give the title of the photos used in the parts: "Shadows in different directions" and "Repeating backgrounds". I mean something like AS11-40-5878.

Makes me laugh as not one person who worked in NASA has ever said it was fake over the years and surely someone would have said before now....give it a rest

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

What proof could that person offer? You think their word is sufficient and they would be believed without question? Most people at NASA wouldn't even know it was faked. Only those in 'need-to-know' positions. Even the guys in the control room woulddn't know. Flight director Gene Kranz has said the training simulations were so realistic, that the control room guys wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a practice run and the real thing.

@gunternetzer9621

Жыл бұрын

@@jonsmith3945 Experts spanning the fields of astronomy, astrophysics, and photography all say we’ve been to the Moon, and it’s usually a good idea to defer to experts on matters in which you are, in fact, not one. It was one of the most public events of the 20th century viewed around the world and would have to have been a conspiracy involving hundreds of different people from many different countries over decades, including Great Britain, the former Soviet Union, France, Australia, Italy, Germany, China, Japan and India, from which not one credible witness has ever emerged. It would also have been impossible to cover up for such a length of time; the Watergate conspirators couldn’t keep their escapade silent for more than a few months. Photographic techniques of the type required to hoax a moon landing did not exist then. The dust thrown up by the rover lands in a way impossible in an atmosphere as on earth and there is so much third-party corroboration; for example, the spacecraft were tracked to the moon, the rock and soil samples have been authenticated by many different scientists around the world for decades. Chinese, Japanese and Indian probes have also photographed and or observed the equipment left behind at various Apollo landing sites.

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

@@gunternetzer9621 Thanks, I 've heard that all before and find it wholly unconvincing. I believe your faith in experts is misguided. After all, the experts told us the C19 vx was safe and effective. You still believe that?

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

"surely someone would have said before now." that's a completely baseless assertion, so an invalid argument. Most of the NASA workers were tricked along with the public. Only a few needed to be in on the ruse. But keep laughing...it's good for you.

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

@@gunternetzer9621 Experts can be fooled, corrupted, bought or simply wrong.

Research has shown that bullshit tastes better with a British accent.

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

And that's the most in depth research that a conspiracy theorist has ever managed to do 😂

@DaveMcKeegan

Жыл бұрын

Ok, so what did the Russians stand to gain when they claimed to have tracked Apollo 11 all the way to the moon and back? What did the Japanese, Chinese & Indians stand to gain when they announced their own lunar probes had inspected the landing sites and confirmed the landings happened? Surely they all stood to gain far more from Americans downfall than they'd ever hope to gain from siding with them

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveMcKeegan Who says they had to gain anything? All the space agencies are members of the same exclusive club, so they'll support each other's fakery and lies. What would the Russians, Chinese, Indians, etc. gain from exposing the fakery, and what could they offer as proof? If they were able to expose the fakery, it would seriously undermine public trust in authority, so it's in the ruler's advantage to support the myth.

@johnshaw359

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/mKqs2cGIe7S9dMo.html For expert british research.

@gowdsake7103

Жыл бұрын

Research has shown flattards are idiots

Conspiracists - "If the photos were real, then how come you can't see the moon at night???"

You and your dog are great. Thanks for the video. Loved it.

If only nasa still had access to the vastly superior 1960's technology, they could pretend to go back to the moon tomorrow

@Iserate

Жыл бұрын

Ahhhhh! How dumb are you?

We never went to the moon, got it.

@Deestroyer82

Жыл бұрын

@@SpaceManWyo we're all in this together, its more like a "us" thing.

@Deestroyer82

Жыл бұрын

@@SpaceManWyo your mind is limited to the mainstream narrative, think outside the box, ill meet you there.

@Deestroyer82

Жыл бұрын

@@SpaceManWyo i never said that but thanks for playing.

@Deestroyer82

Жыл бұрын

@@SpaceManWyo keep reaching you might get somewhere

Very nice photography explanation thanks. I hope you and your dog are well.

Have they assembled the Land Rover while & when they landed on the surface of the moon, or previously attached underneath moon lander?

@williammann9176

3 ай бұрын

The Lunar Roving Vehicle - LRV was attached to the right side of the LM looking at it face on. On Apollo 15 you can watch the video of them deploying and setting up the LRV.

An alternative to a light source being ridiculously far away is being ridiculously small. Then you can parallelize the rays placing a huge lens exactly at the focal distance. Still not technically possible. Nice video.

@StringerNews1

Жыл бұрын

The problem with that is that parallel rays from a tiny light source would only fall on a tiny spot.

@joanevans9508

Жыл бұрын

The middle section of this is how it was done for "From the Earth to the Moon". kzread.info/dash/bejne/f2aXqdmOnrKyZ6g.html Not sure how you lite this "set". upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/AS17-140-21493%2BAS17-140-21497.jpg

@bobsmithinson2050

Жыл бұрын

You can just use the actual sun on a sunny day in a roof-less studio that has open walls behind the camera (as to let all the light in)

@jetpond7904

Жыл бұрын

@@bobsmithinson2050 the “sky” is completely black. That wouldn’t be possible back then and likely not possible today.

@virtualworldsbyloff

Жыл бұрын

The railtrack lines are 100% parallel, you can choose any distance for your light source it does not change the fact when you tilt the plane of the sensor in relation to the plane of the shadows, they will never ever look parallel, no matter how far the Sun is

Stanley Kubrick................

@jonsmith3945

Жыл бұрын

There is zero credible evidence that Kubrick was involved.

Neil Armstrong went into the history books as the first person to mess up their planned lines on the moon.

@eventcone

3 ай бұрын

And, of course, if it had been faked, the director would have yelled "cut!" and gone to Take 2.

@UnstableNucleus

Ай бұрын

@@eventcone Stanley Kubrick left clues for the truth seekers.

@eventcone

Ай бұрын

@@UnstableNucleus That's just an excuse made up by Apollo deniers to justify their continued belief in something that is not supported by the evidence.

@UnstableNucleus

Ай бұрын

@@eventcone Blah blah blah, you have been brain washed to believe something that was impossible. Wake up and smell the cheese.

@eventcone

Ай бұрын

@@UnstableNucleus Why do you think that it is 'impossible'??

The fact that there are no stars in the Apollo photographs simply shows that NASA knew how to work a camera.

@narajuna

Жыл бұрын

No, they would have ONE photo of that wonderful sky.

@narajuna

11 ай бұрын

@@aemrt5745 Maybe you visited there on a dusty space day. Still miles of atmosphere and light diffusion. Don Pettit said it was amazing high on ISS. Whatever WHY not bother? Folks still bother plenty down here, *A TRIPOD !!!!* DEAR O DEAR ! 🥶 HEAVY TOO!!!!* 🥵 Yeah those thing weight a Ton. - well there goes an other amazing nasa scientific explanation.🤯 (Hey kids👶: the Lander could of been used as tripod, already one heavy arm camera just for a step) (or one of those not heavy Rovers😜) (etc) (Long-exposure photos were taken with the Far Ultraviolet Camera/Spectrograph by Apollo 16 on April 21, 1972, from the surface of the Moon) (and research >>> Hubble Telescope. Since its 1990 launch, Hubble has changed our fundamental understanding of the universe, with space photos!!!)

@narajuna

11 ай бұрын

@@aemrt5745 SIR thank you *very much* for your logical rations Science, I am sharing with all who just lamely say they didnt have the proper film :( Apollo play toys (aside flags & buggy rovers); golf club with 3 heavy balls, statue, metals, hammer, ceremonial objects, and more! "All of these objects were extras, so to speak, not part of the Apollo necessities." (competent mission planner approved it. And not) STARS = "scientifically worthless" ASTRO : relating to the stars, celestial objects, or outer space. A good average weight for a travel tripod should be 3 lbs (1.3 kg). 1) Fun on the Moon (links removed to allow posting) 2) Real Video of NASA Apollo Astronauts Playing Golf on the Moon More justified precious EVA time >> 3) Astronaut Eugene Cernan runs and jumps on the Moon - Daily Mail

@narajuna

11 ай бұрын

@@aemrt5745 ​ Again you worthy Sir You have not stated when specificly you were on the Moon, explaining how scientificly YOU know same thing? ☹ Know that if you actually understood this stuff SIR, I know not the value but presume different then from Earth. Now it is GAIN? I though it was why not! O I have a *gotcha* ?? 😃 Weight man please what Science is learned by Lunar Rover rooster tails ? [1](mass of 210 kg. The $38 million dollar Lunar Rover weighed in at 460 pounds) (greatest range from the LM was 7.6 km) .....now I am smarter than thousands of scientists 😁because I have reservations on a camera tripod issue??? 🤔(....some hysterics🥵) Personal experience in photography: first camera with an internal timer was produced in 1956, allows to place camera on the ground turned upwards without tripod 😲 (for all anti stars photographer!) If you Search >> can you see different stars from moon = all you get is excuses why none are ever seen. [1] *Astronauts on the Moon, Throwing Stuff & Falling Down, Lunar Rover, Moon Buggy* : Raw video from the NASA archive of Astronauts on the Moon. A funny complication of objects being thrown, slips and falls, Lunar Rover rooster tails, and having a good time on the Moon. What is the Gain? note: the Brain is good the Brain is *friend* USE BRAIN ! 🧠👍

@narajuna

11 ай бұрын

*AH* seems I broke a record again! Looks a little desperate to home on that tirade not really specified as "toy", Many consider Eagle contraption as a toy that can not fly, never seen on Earth, all wonders up in Space.... Very sensitive these Winners are, on their APOLLO faith, small minds unable to think outside the box and bold enough to phantom using the steady fixed Lander (for one) as a Tripod.😲 - Very strange a Space fan, a Amateur Astronomer, visual Deep Sky observer, has so little interest in view of Stars outside our VABs bubble. Such lack of interest is due to denial, revealing impossible to fake moon sky photo existence? Those really dedicated with worship of APOLLO will know so many no gain extras were carried there and time done, as a javelin(2lbs), what is the gain for that? Again total ignoring, served only with teenage deflection of issue. 😃WELL I do love when not actually understanding this stuff *me* is asked for *Credentials* 🙃by these fairplay intelligent educated rational Lollers. I guess I just dont understood Apollo..............😜

It is so simple to understand that it was fake it never took place and never will

@Iserate

Жыл бұрын

Wrong

@thunderstorm6616

Жыл бұрын

@@Iserate what is wrong

@Iserate

Жыл бұрын

@@thunderstorm6616 "fake it never took place and never will" This is wrong! 7 missions, 6 moonlandings and, 12 men walked on the lunar surface. deal with it shortbus.

@thunderstorm6616

Жыл бұрын

@@Iserate you must be living in dreamland

@Iserate

Жыл бұрын

@@thunderstorm6616 you're the one that refuses reality shortbus rider