Peugeot 308 2018 hatchback in-depth review | Mat Watson Reviews
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The Peugeot 308 won European Car of the Year in 2014 but can this stylish hatchback live up to the hype of its predecessor? Can it outscore the 2016 winner, the Vauxhall Astra, or other popular hatchbacks such as the Volkswagen Golf or Ford Focus. Is it worth getting the base model with its cheap, tempting price tag, or is it better to upgrade? Have Peugeot’s exterior quality transferred over to the interior cabin, and can it pass the infamous carwow flick test? Find out all of this and more in our 4k review of the Peugeot 308Subscribe to carwow on youtube -
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I'm sorry it I seriously don't understand why there are so many bad points in this video. After living with one for a year it's practical, packed with tech, is comfortable, and handles very well with the 2.0l diesel bluetech automatic and is great for town and motorway driving. I think you need to own one to appreciate it
@d0718
7 жыл бұрын
I agree, the review was quite negative of this car and although it might not be better than the new Astra or the Golf, it's definitely not that bad. I'd say much better than the much more popular Focus. And it looks the best I think as well
@Mamsaturatdevoi
7 жыл бұрын
Well, that's why there are so many models in this class: because everyone has different needs. The Focus handles absolutely brilliant. Best handling car in its class. For me, that is the best car to have in this class. For someone that doesn't drive that fast in the corners, it will not be worth it. It's all a matter of perspective; every car has downsides and upsides, and I think this review did an excellent job at pointing them out.
@luckystrike656
7 жыл бұрын
i have the 308 now, and i drive realy fast trought corners. Well over the road limits and it handless very very well!! and bealive me, i push it to the limit. if somebody, anybody, neads more "sportiness" from a car there are models like GTI, RS, OPC ecc..... For the everyday roads the 308 handless 10/10 there is 1 thing from this review that is not truth, and it's the wind noise. the car is silent and very well isolated. no wind noise, engine noise..... ( sorry for my bad english)
@lok687
7 жыл бұрын
yea no wind noise here either im not sure whats hes on about
@conorcranks5617
7 жыл бұрын
I also drive a 308 and love it. Changed from a 2014 golf because it was so unreliable. And I don't know why he says the infotainment is laggy or what ever because in my opinion and in the opinion of my friend who upgraded from a Passat to the 508 we both agree the infotainment systems in the pugs are miles better than the vw and they are defiantly better quality.
The visibility out the back window was a Renault Megane and not 308. There was a Renault Elf sticker on the window 🤔
This 308 is a success for Peugeot, they really stepped up their game in this one !
@Via_The_Void
4 жыл бұрын
It is a lovely car. The only thing I don't like is the absence of a CD player though. I'm after something a bit bigger next time so I may plump for a Vauxhall Insignia instead of a 308 mark two!
@Henrique-th7tx
4 жыл бұрын
with this interior??? LMAO
@pau6545
4 жыл бұрын
@@Henrique-th7tx wdym? it's amazing....
Totally ignored that beautiful panoramic roof 😍
@betterbeavailable
6 жыл бұрын
which also happens to affect the headroom: same thing happens with every other car with sunroof.
@dinchully4241
5 жыл бұрын
@@betterbeavailable Yeah alot of head room
@Phenom.N
4 жыл бұрын
haha lol true. Because it's Mat Watson's Subjective Opinion rather than "review". Doesn't highlight some great stuff.. changes car half way through .. and forget about their own shit like their rubbish Rover, which were and some of them still are garbage cans full of money on wheels. Uptight bitch.
@joshgrant3471
4 жыл бұрын
with the horrible weather in his country it doesn't matter anyway lol
Peugeot is really doing a great job with her new models, I love the 208 and this 308 is really great, I love it.
@rwynmwynhaudwrynolpobtebyg9819
7 жыл бұрын
100% agree they have surpassed Renault
@dinchully4241
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah the 3008 is good too.
It's amazing how handsome this car is and how hideous it's predecessor was.
@dinchully4241
5 жыл бұрын
@Move out The way Lol,what?This car is beatifull,u are either salty that its better than most of the cars in it class or u just hate Peugot.
@blakaeg
5 жыл бұрын
TheJoeMB It's older sibling is better looking and at least it was more individual. This new 308 is boring and trying trying to be a VW Golf. So boring and unoriginal. The old 308 was so much better and proper Peugeot design with French flair. This one has shown Peugeot has lost its way!!
@dinchully4241
5 жыл бұрын
@@blakaeg What?Dude this 308 has the best design the 308 307 has ever had.His older sibling is hideous,just like the older 3008.Its not trying to be a Golf,it just has a good design,premioum interiour and its just trying to be a better car than the older one.Peace.
@Via_The_Void
4 жыл бұрын
I still have a mark one Peugeot 308 & in it's defence it's a lovely car to drive. Mine is a 1.6 HDi S & very easy on the juice. I love the styling as I previously had a 307 2.0 HDi Rapier. The old shape 308 is still a good car, so don't write the mark one off just yet. The mark one is also slightly bigger than the new mark two as well.
@ash7990
3 жыл бұрын
yep the first 308 although it may have been distinctive when launched, now looks very ungainly
the french really know design.
At 3:43 it's not the 308, actually it's a Renault (you can see the Renault Elf sticker on the rear window), and the door windows are different from the Peugeot!
@musguelha14
7 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too!
@haihohh7394
7 жыл бұрын
Gabriel Cunha SCANDAL
@pedroveiria1232
7 жыл бұрын
A yes exactly 😅😲
@darrenmicallef5186
7 жыл бұрын
He is lying about the car
@plopperator
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah the back of the rear windows are a lot more square looking than that.
At 3:45... You show the rear visibilty of a Megane probably, not the 308. Look at the sticker... "Renault/ELF". Now Peugeot puts these stickers on their rear windows? Biased review.
@forzaroyal4159
7 жыл бұрын
Paid by VW.
@eyeCU13
7 жыл бұрын
Damn you're right! I just compared that shot through the back of the window, to the one earlier, when Matt sits in the back seat and it's definitely a different car! The headrests are different, the shape of the side window etc. It's true that the 308 has thick pillars, but what the hell? Matt you better have some real good explanation for this, or I'm unsubscribing. It's unacceptable practice, I'm losing respect and fast!
@ghp0518
7 жыл бұрын
Well, that was awkward maybe it's an editing mistake but still..
7 жыл бұрын
This is really bad. What happenned Matt?!!
@luckystrike656
7 жыл бұрын
you are right!! this is so bad! Matt usually does comment on KZread but now we have no answer. This is review is so bad, and it clearly shows that this videos are paid commercials from auto industry
Leaving the Eu does not mean that britain isnt in europe
@d0718
7 жыл бұрын
95% of people who voted for brexit don't know what EU is anyways
@Nonamenever557
7 жыл бұрын
Typical condescending remainer. People voted against your view point so they must have misunderstood the situation? We voted to be an independent country, making our own laws, electing our own government, and spending our own money on our terms. I spent a year at university studying the structure and legal system of the EU and went from not caring to becoming strongly Eurosceptic. It's horrifying how much it cripples nation state democracy, or anything that gets in the way of their silly dream of a European superstate. I hope the other countries in Europe will gain their independence as well.
@ian7675
7 жыл бұрын
+dn bn Thanks for the essay but read his comment again. We will always be part of Europe as a geographical area, nothing to do with your Brexit/EU stuff.
@Nonamenever557
7 жыл бұрын
I was responding to Dmitry L
@ian7675
7 жыл бұрын
+dn bn ah sorry, didn't see that comment.
Misses some important stuff: - The seats in the upper versions are brilliant in leather - The panoramic roof - The steering wheel doesn't affect your dials view capability if you are over 5 foot 0/ not a dwarf - It has a standard rearview camera - The manual versions are ok - It is a bargain for money (less 5000€ than a Vw Golf). The car just had a midlife lift. Maybe a second unbiased check will make wonders.
@carolgoodman4880
6 жыл бұрын
I'm 5-1 and it does me a bit and I am petite and perfect thanks not a dwarf!
@robbiemac9143
5 жыл бұрын
Peugeot actually usr synthetic leather actually
I love the quality build material, looks so clean and simple
If it would be a german car; he would say "Oh! it's a fantastic car, so great"
@cookingwithberke6053
5 жыл бұрын
triggered much?
@mehmah9632
5 жыл бұрын
cooking with Berke did you just reply to 1 year old comment ?
@cookingwithberke6053
5 жыл бұрын
@@mehmah9632 he still gets the notifications 🙃
@mehmah9632
5 жыл бұрын
cooking with Berke well he doesn’t remember this comment and he may have a new Account so ( hasn’t posted for a year )
@strafniki1080
5 жыл бұрын
@@cookingwithberke6053 stfu
Why did you show a Renault and not a Peugeot for rear visibility ?
@jlo1256
3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was the Peugeot, but they positioned the camera at hip level. I stand corrected, When you look at the ceiling, there is a ridge, the car is not supposed to have a ridge. It is smooth all the way to the booth lid with a light just at the end, so yes that is not of the 308.
@zachaphina3140
2 ай бұрын
It's obviously because they don't have a shot of the 308
OMG! In 3:44 , you talk about the back visibility, showing a Renault Megane's picture!!!. You could read "Renault Elf" writed in the glass
@clementefernandez2265
7 жыл бұрын
I realised that It isn't the first comment about that
I've got a 2.0 Allure and I cannot fault it in any way. It's quick, handles well, is well equipped, comfortable and I love the small steering wheel and the whole cockpit in general. I previously owned a VW Golf Bluemotion (awful car, lots of faults, terrible service in VW dealers), before that a Passat 2.0 Highline, and before that BMW118 and I much prefer 308 and you get a lot more for your money. VW's are overpriced and boring.
@hunkdeath3562
4 жыл бұрын
what was the faults ?
@warey4life
3 жыл бұрын
@@hunkdeath3562 Golf keot doing emergency stops at low speed due to fault with radar that vw couldn't fix, both under seat drawers fell apart, glove box lock broke and all dash display used to intermittently stop working. Passat park break kept jamming and sometimes engine used to just swith off for no reason whilst driving down the road.
BEST compact car Bye Bye VW Golf
This review is extremely biased, it looks as it was made by a german! I've been the owner of a 308 for more than 5 years. The car is close to perfect, by far the best I ever owned and one of the best that I've driven. Seats are spot on, so is steering (best wheel in the market, once you get used to it the rest seem like truck steering wheels), perfect chassis, biggest trunk space in the segment when it was introduced in the market, amazing design (both interior and exterior), better performance compared than other cars with similar engines (due to lower weight, I guess), very good quality of materials, excellent LED lighting and reliability which has been superb up to this day. The price was much cheaper than the equivalent Golf, btw a friend of mine bought the VW and had some issues and I couldn't notice a thing in which it'd be better (apart from the tech and navigator which is awful in the 308). Gear changing is not bad once you get used to it but could be improved, I've tried faster gear knobs. A bit of wind noise in the mirrors as in every other car in this segment and... that's about it, no more faults. I've travelled with 3 additional passengers and nobody complained about the space, most of them fell asleep due to a very confortable ride and seats, many people has praised my car over the years and some members of my family even offered to buy it. Probably the most underrated car in the market as of now and I'm really willing to see how much Peugeot can improve for the next gen. As mentioned in another comment, you probably need to own it to really appreciate it.
@JB-nj4cp
4 жыл бұрын
He basically said that the gear shift and pedals are trash. What's your opinion on it?
@micheltalebnasab3399
3 жыл бұрын
What type of engine do you have?
@netako
3 жыл бұрын
The 308 is actually a little heavier than the 208, which is very impressive.
@strafniki1080
3 жыл бұрын
@@JB-nj4cp I hate when something is biased just say how it is like + and - job done.
@jerryrawlings8885
3 жыл бұрын
Nacho Hi do you have petrol or diesel?
why you showed the back of the megane instead of the 308 , can you explain that ?
Great video! Finally recieving mine tomorrow, cant wait😄
Matt, we are waiting for review of 308 2022
I love mine, so comfortable a looks great. The only problem is as he said I get a lot of wind noise .
Good looking interior tbh
What a design ! The Peugeot 308 is a statement car.
The best hatchback.
@mrdunn423
7 жыл бұрын
Lol what?? Audi, Mercedes, Mazda, VW, Seat all better than Peugeot hatchbacks
@mrsmith5846
7 жыл бұрын
What about BMW?
@marcuswoodgate4026
7 жыл бұрын
+Mr Smith black man's willy Mr Smith ;)
@rui518
7 жыл бұрын
audi pay more for far less, mercedes nothing like having a French car thinking Is german, vw a cheaper audi, seat even cheaper vw thinks is fast, mazda is the only one I would respect but lacks to many extras and lacks engine choose...
@imyourhuckleberry4208
7 жыл бұрын
+Rui agree with you, spot on points.
I bought one a week ago, an older one. It pulls like a train and I love it. Nowhere can I find a button for the rear window demister for when the frost arrives!!
When Is the 7 series review coming, I have been waiting so patiently 😔
Bought by VW and Ford, how much did you get?
Who the hell flicks plastic in a car anyway lol
@jlo1256
3 жыл бұрын
No one, but that plastic he talked about is dreadful bearing in mind the rest of the car's plastic is really good.
It’s really nice and fantastic car. good work French 👌
I really like these, an underrated car IMO.
@SorenLDK
7 жыл бұрын
In Denmark it is the second best selling car model in 2016 so far, after the 208 :)
@pierrephilosophale2952
7 жыл бұрын
Yes it's a really great car !
@pierrephilosophale2952
7 жыл бұрын
Is peugeot popular in Danmark ?
@SorenLDK
7 жыл бұрын
Yes, very much. Mainly because Peugeot in Denmark have very good leasing offers.
@pierrephilosophale2952
7 жыл бұрын
ok thank you for your answer :D
I've had one of these, a GT line with the 1.2 turbo engine for about four & a half months now & probably the only thing I found remotely annoying was the size of the glove box, but I got over that quickly. Yes, having knobs for the heating etc might have been easier, but I've got used to that so not a problem & I also find the touch screen easy to use, so not unintuitive! I actually had a BMW before this, albeit an older model that became expensive to keep repairing as well as run & tax etc so decided on a complete change & having driven most of the usual suspects I decided on this & very happy with it so far!!
@johnnymonkey66
3 жыл бұрын
@Jerry Rawlings .....I had mine for 3 years from new & was absolutely fine apart from a few very minor things sorted under warranty. I liked the 308 so much that when my lease ended, I got the GTi version.......that's a totally different animal though, but been very reliable too!
@johnnymonkey66
3 жыл бұрын
@Jerry Rawlings .....I'm on a couple of 308 forums on Facebook, which often have a lot of positive feedback but highlight the problems people may have encountered! If you're getting a year old car, then you've got the balance of the warranty left so should be fine 'just in case' but my experience, and that of some of my friends with them, has been all positive! Which engine & trim are you going for?
@johnnymonkey66
3 жыл бұрын
@Jerry Rawlings the 1.2 is a nippy little thing...... surprising considering the size of the engine! I had a GT line........have you test driven one yet? The smaller steering wheel & way the instrument binnacle is set out isn't for everyone, but was fine for me! Some reviewers day it's fiddly changing temperature via the touchscreen......took me like 10 seconds to get used to that & never been an issue! I've not tried the auto as both of mine have been manual, but my friend has one & she says it's good & nice and smooth & licks down well!
@johnnymonkey66
3 жыл бұрын
@Jerry Rawlings that was what sold me....twice! Plus you see Golf's & Focus's all the time, so it's nice to be in something a bit different!
Top car! Shame Mat just hates French cars!
@Am979100
7 жыл бұрын
I think you misunderstand Livc44411 frenchy.
@SimonFerocius
6 жыл бұрын
Every british hates what's come from france
@indiekiddrugpatrol3117
4 жыл бұрын
@@SimonFerocius it works the other way too, every time I've been to France you can tell that they don't like Englishmen
That really does look like today's weather!
beautiful car
Still a cracking relaxing and comfy car even in 2020. Love my 2015 model.
@runnerup9786
3 жыл бұрын
@Jerry Rawlings indeed, very good, although it is low mileage. Never missed a beat
@KakuraZenom
Жыл бұрын
I have the GT version from 2015 too and I really love it insane value for money
Mat, if you think that the Golf has a better quality interior, why don't you tap between the Golf's infotainment display and aircon? The same thing will happen,you will hurt your finger. My point is, Golf has the same quality as this Pug....
@miskatonic6210
7 жыл бұрын
Never *lol* Look at how the parts are welded. Wait for how long the exhaust will be ok. Look at thickness and quality of the paint. Look at quality of the brakes. They can fool a average customer, but not an engineer.
@Sherukka
7 жыл бұрын
Golf is definitely cheaper made, easy to notice if you are an engineer as me. In the wintertime Golf also has a lot of rattle noises going on, why VW, oh why be cheap?
@rui518
7 жыл бұрын
I have a 2004 206 and a 2006 407 in my house, both have the paint in perfect condition, the brakes as you say is always bosh or brembo if you go to the dealer and they really brake hard, the rest never had problems so I will assume it is fine to... by the way speaking of brakes my dad only had a car broking a brake disk and it was a Golf II GTD at the time 6 years old...
@romainvaast2837
5 жыл бұрын
Peugeot is egal quality like Golf,
Thanks for the video! Gave a lot of info in nutshell. *Like* :)
I have a 308 1.6 diesel and I am soooo happy with it.
@r1ckySV
3 жыл бұрын
@Jerry Rawlings so far so good. One headlamp gone, that's it! Real good on fuel...getting between 50-60 mpg and that's in town!
Very helpful. Thank you
Great review. I have this car for the foreseeable future as a courtesy car whilst mine is getting repaired. It's a little different to my basic-spec Fiat 500! haha
bought a 2015 308 yesterday 1.2 Turbo active and i love it much better than golf / polo and all their dsg issues and jerks expensive to maintain but peogeots interior is classy, clean & unique 6 speed torque converter made in japan by asini its just perfect and the 4.4l/100km is awesome
@Adam-ie8ed
3 жыл бұрын
@Jerry Rawlings reliable if you change the engine belt at 90k kms the only issue this car has is the belt in oil system other than that the transmission is made in japan so very reliable
Matt... Britain is leaving the EU, not Europe. Huge difference. A five year old understands this.
You're so brutal with the car, it hurts
@jazz96765
4 жыл бұрын
yeah honestly it's a stupid review
@strafniki1080
3 жыл бұрын
@@jazz96765 i hated how he slammed the 5th door
Narrator, you fail this time. Your review of this car is unimpressive. Peugeot 308 is the best car in its range. It's unbeatable, period.
love the reviews, but please normalize your audio levels (it get inaudible at times when you turn your head)
@carwow
7 жыл бұрын
+sebxx that's my fault. I talk off mic. Will try to stop it.
@mustsilm
7 жыл бұрын
Wow Mat, its 20:30 in uk, this is how you spend your friday nights?
@the-boring-car-guy
7 жыл бұрын
+MS you don't seem to be doing much, plus it is car wow replying so it doesn't just have to be him
@marcuswoodgate4026
7 жыл бұрын
+carwow please do the facelifted c4. then you can do the battle of the French hatchbacks C4, 308 and megane.
@seb.
7 жыл бұрын
+carwow no worries, it's an easy postprod fix
Am getting mine in two weeks looking forward to it 😎😎😎
i drive one myselfe, the only thing i find annoying is the reaction of airflow when windows opened. The eardrums don't like it. Last of it for a 3 to 4 ppl solution, you hit gold. And if ya can't but just can test one do it :) rly fine craftmanship
come on man do the 208 ! cant wait for it !
BELIEVE ME GREAT CAR
I have tried P308 1.6 HDI and I can say, it is great comfortable car, no problem with dashborard (I am 180cm tall) and engine diesel 1.6 HDI is really great, much better than VW 1.6 TDI which is noisy .. ! :-)
Good review just one thin, around 3,40 min when talking about rear visibility you showed a Renault Megane view ( you see Renault Elf sticker)
can you guys do a comparison between the 3 hatchbacks from the VW group VW golf, seat leon and skoda octavia if you want to make it interesting you can compare the GTD ,FR and VRS
Please review also the new 308 2021.
any plans to review alfa romeos? that giulia's looking fiiiiiiine :3
The thing about the rear leg room is, if you can swivel your legs from side to side (which he does) and not touch the backrest then it ain't too bad in all fairness 🤷♂️ get more space than on a Ryanair flight
It's one of those cars that I really like but I would have never got one for myself
one big suggestion is plz talk more about the car numbers,0 to 60's bhp,torque etc
Matt can you review the 308 GTI?
This car handles great, maybe helped by small steering wheel, always feels nimble for quite a big car. Passenger room in the back is fine and seats are comfortable. Never feel trapped.
Nice location. .I love it
3:43 + the window is Renault elf ++ the Peugeot has a sunroof at the beginning but there we see no light in it!
Ive driven 2016 exact model as this. And Im kinda JDM/German guy... And I think this thing looks and drives solid. Build quality is amazing! I never tought that french cars can achieve this level of quality in a middle class segment of hatchbacks. It is very pleasent to drive and it is dynamic(likes fast driving). I just think that automatic isn't quite the fastest when it comes to shifts but would certainly pick auto over manual. Gotta stay focused and save up for Seat Leon FR!
@stephen10.
7 жыл бұрын
it 's the french company Faurecia who make the interior, they make the interior of german premium too. they know how to make quality
How is this the 308 2018 model when it was out in 2016?
the backseat legroom is poor so it make sense to just get the 208?
Can you do the new 308
You showed a Renault for the rear visibility!
It’s beautiful
Cant decide. P 308 or Ford Fiesta 2018?
Please review the Seat leon FR
It always rains during the filming :)
Bro wath its your problem? You like precedent car 308 or wath?
308 gti review please?
The new Mazda 3 hatchback review please??
I have a 2016 1.6 bluehdi 120. 210 000 miles on the clock and still drives as smoothly as first day 😅
Lets see whats new 308 in 2021 will looks like 🦁 2 weeks left to wait! 😃👍
Very curious is this one as good as VW Polo?
I have this car, but the 2.0bluehdi auto and I love it, its a great car to drive and cheap to run
@jerryrawlings8885
3 жыл бұрын
Andrew Harley Hi is it reliable any problems many thanks.
@andyharley1986
3 жыл бұрын
@@jerryrawlings8885 it is very reliable, and absolutely brilliant in snow to get you to where you need to go, better than my skoda that i had before this
Can you do the 208
2k more subs for 100k! Keep going carwow!!!!
Pedals and gearshifter are loose as always in peugeot. But it is very soft feeling to drive and they are reliable
The rear visibility can't be good when the two outer head-rests are up ....
are you gonna do the mercedes a class???
where abouts in england does carwow record there video reviews???
Does the 308 have heated windscreen?
Hdi is the best diesel engine you could possibly have in any family car.
Love the design. But I would prefer Honda Jazz with its practicality
MANIAC
@Zadrigo
7 жыл бұрын
Maniac!
I love this car I have driven this exact model and I have to disagree with a lot of your review it's very nippy very precise driving loads of room front and back (for it's class size ) does near 60 mpg for me the manual gear box is NOT notchy driving position tho' slightly offset is not bad at all , it's easy to park in any space has a rear view camera to aid parking , it infotainment/on screen controls although not THE best they are pretty good within the class of cars it competes with , and finally it's fun to drive it really is my last 10 cars have been 2 Q3s - 2 Q7s - 2 Q5 an A5 an A6 a Bmw 5 series and a Skoda Kodiak ...apart from the Skoda Kodiak the little 308 has been my favourite "little car " hands down . as for the Kodiak , that has been a revelation too would definately have another Kodiak over any of the Audi offerings currently available .
@Tom-oh5dm
4 жыл бұрын
gearbox is ok, but the pedals are absolute shit, you can barely feel the clutch engage and the first half of your foot release doesnt seem to do anything. Next part does, and again latest quarter does absolutly nothing. Same story for the brakes, they are not linear what so ever
What car cant you say ‘at some angles the steering wheel can obstruct the view of the instruments’?
Shifts bad? Wtf are you talking about? Got this car myself and it shifts very wel, even at the garage people who know there shit claim the 308 shifts better then most modern cars.
Dear Matt, you do realise ..the view towards the rear that was included in this video belongs to another car!!!!
A really good looking car
Would you buy this car or the volvo v40?
whats wrong with the driving position ? seat to high or pedals too high
VW funboy
That rear view video you added into the review isn't of the 308, it appears to be from the new Megane!!
May has such a cool job, how do I get it?!
Please check again your comments on this video: for example the visibility is ok, there is no noise from outside and the quality of the cabin is quite good.
@carolgoodman4880
6 жыл бұрын
i have wind noise
Some time travel seems have taken place here by reviewing the 2018 in 2016 :-)