Late 30’s, early 40’s??? I’m middle 50’s and was 17/18 yrs old when the 205 GTi first appeared and trust me, I wanted one with a passion. Btw, I have a Miami Blue 1.9 GTi in my garage 👌🙂

@GoldenCroc

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that age range didnt make nuch sense for "buying them when new", perhaps he mentally thought they were at least 10 years or so newer than they are.

@MrGwaldo

Жыл бұрын

I’ve had mine 25 years. Same story with me and I’m 46.

@mikeormond7883

Жыл бұрын

These were still for sale new in 1995 (just) I started driving in 98 and I’m nearly 42.

@BDogs10

Ай бұрын

Late 30s, early 40s? I had to think on that one. Still remember a shiny cardboard brochure I had on my bedroom desk maybe 1989/1990 & I was 15 or 16. Bought an mx5 about 12mths ago(another childhood dream) hated it & have since sold. I gotta look into the little Pug

When at Peugeot back in the 2000s, when they pulled the plug on the Ryton Factory (Back in those days cars were pilled up high around a manufacture factory) they did a inventory of what was on site and they discovered a Brand New 205 GTi that had been sitting in the car park for years, clearly missed of a spreadsheet, this was 2006, now that where ever it went would be a collectors item.

Always had one for over 32 years and still own one but its only the original 1.9 Turbo Technics . One of the most fun cars to drive ever.

@MrGwaldo

Жыл бұрын

I’ve had my 1.9 for 25 years. Never tried a TT though. Fast I bet? Does it have an LSD?

I've got a Dimma. Had it for 27 years. Great car. 👍👍

@cogboy302

Жыл бұрын

Never been a fan of the Dimma 205. It's trying to look like a 205 T16 and it's not one. Probably shouldn't say that as I know Terry Pankhurst who owns Dimma.

I've got a 1.6 gti rally car, love it quick spin to the shop down the back roads of North Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 big smiles every time

During the era of the 205 GTI, Peugeot also sold a barebones 1.3L carbureted version named 205 Rallye, so the name itself was clearly showing its orientation.

Gutted I sold my 1.9 Wish I kept it all those years ago..

I’ve owned one for 22years!! It only does about 500 miles a year these days. It has an Mi16 on Jenveys 😊

@mikeygti8930

Жыл бұрын

Same as me, 24 years this year, Mi16 on bodies. Love the thing!

Still the best looking hatchback in history is the legendary 205 GTI.

Great cars, I never had a 205GTI but I did have a 1992 309GTI, that was a great car.

@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge

Жыл бұрын

The only car better than a 205 GTI is a 309 GTI after all. Only have a regular one, but even that handles and drives better than anything else I've driven. Unfortunately I doubt I'll ever even see a GTI, let alone own one, I own one of 15 309s remaining where I live.

@jonathonblacker299

Жыл бұрын

legend has it they put a 309 Gti out on circuit against a same year Ferrari, and even though the horse was quicker in a straight line, the 309 was quicker on the bends.

I spent 3 months in the mid 2000s trying to find a good one, eventually stumbling across a mint 309 goodwood gti.

Had a few. Great fun cars. The 1.6 was WAY more fun to drive.

@odl21

Жыл бұрын

agreed.

I had one when I was 19 - absolutely LOVED it. It wasn't a great example, but was one of the best cars I've ever owned and miss it loads

I think our man likes the 205, had my first 1.6 GTI in 1991 selling my MK1 XR2 to purchase a car that was as I see it leagues ahead of the Ford. Had many over the years and still have a 1.9 GTI and a 1.6 CTI... Still having fun....

@amnril

Жыл бұрын

Good man Darren 👍

I've owned a 205 Gti 1.6 and 2 UK model 205 Rallye's love love love these cars! So engaging and fun to drive! Wish I still owned them now! 😪

I was lucky enough to have a 1.9GTI that I bought 32 years ago when I was 20 ish, it was the first gen 1987 model. I had it for about 10 years and truly immaculate when I sold it on. I still regret selling it but I did not have the space to keep it. As per the reviews, it was just so tactile and alive to drive, so direct and the throttle response instantaneous. The scare of lift off over steer was not as bad as reported and it was a true 130 mph indicated top speed (of course reputedly 😀).

This is just about the ultimate small car, an excellent all rounder!

Great car I remember when theses cars were getting sold for £1500 when l was at school and l was dreaming looking at the max power magazine lf we new what we new today l would have stacked loads of cars lol great video keep them coming 👏🏽👍🏾

I bought a Miami blue 1.9 in 1992 and I still have it . 😊

If you can find one these days that hasn't rusted away, a 205 XS, while only a 1.4, is still a lot of fun to drive and cheaper than a GTI.

Wish we got these in the States. Timeless design for sure.

That exhaust sounds remarkably similar to the original ‘splattery-sounding’ one. edit: comment was made while watching vid and so hadn’t got to the part when Tolman actually explain that it is a reproduction of the original. For me, that is the coolest part of what they have done.

defo my fav car.

I had a 205 1.1 style nearly 20 years ago, i stuck a 1.4 in it and XS front and rear valance, so it was a 1.4 XS imposter. Brilliant car!

I had a 1.9 in 1992 when I was 26. Coming from a 900cc superbike it never felt that fast but boy did it handle! The best handling car I’ve ever owned closely followed by a mark 1 Focus. So tactile and confidence inspiring ❤

I have a mint original 1.6 with 30k km on it that i bought 8 years ago. despite only adding 2-3k km in that time i absolutely love driving it.

Fantastic as always. Loving the group B clips. Keep up the stellar work. Aged 19 I remember experiencing lift off oversteer as a passenger in one of these. Scary yet hilarious all in one motion.

Back in the day, I used to drive for a specialist car dealer in Kensington. If my memory serves me well, When they first came out we used to pick these and Renault turbo 2’s up of the boat in Dover and take them to a place near silverstone to them converted to RHD. Such a thrill to drive these in my 20’s and not have worry about the insurance 😊

Love my 205 1.6 gti rally car amazing little car round the back roads of Anglesey

It's a small detail, but the tacho, with 2-digit markers, perfectly compliments the speedometer. Alfa Romeo used to do as well. Great video, Chris!

I k ow the 205 and toleman video thing has been done before but this is by far the best video out there.

At work we had Golf GTI s XR2 & 3 but it was always the 205GTI I went for. Preferred the 1.6 to the 1.9 as it seemed a bit more nimble.

I need a new exhaust so went to the Tolman site, I nearly fell off my seat £1400! It does look nice through

@mikeormond7883

Жыл бұрын

It’s £55k for their 1.6 conversions and over £120k for their 1.9 16v 😮 the exhaust seems a bargain.

I bought a secondhand 1988 Renault 5GT Turbo back in 1996 when I was 19. It cost me 90% of my monthly £300 pay packet to own it and a shed load more to keep it on the road. But I cannot complain, I used to drive it between Germany and the UK 3 times a year with little fuss. Okay, once it decided to throw the exhaust down the autobahn and another time the clutch cable snapped at the gearbox/clutch bracket and I repaired it with celotape and drove it over 600 miles home but I really loved that thing. It wasn’t good for me but I loved it. Even looking at videos of one today makes my heart thump. ❤

Would love that dash conversion on my 205

I had a 1.6GTI back in the day, it was a brilliant little B-road scratcher, I remember paying about £800 for comp insurance, which was the most I'd ever paid, crazy times, few years later, I got a 309GTI which was better in the corners due to the wider track, with a tuned 1.9 it was pretty quick fir those days, both were great fun, as a member of the Peugeot GTI club, I went to Silverstone every year for a blast round the circuit, great times. 😁 would love a Tolman 205 as a second car.

Great video, think you captured the car perfectly, I own a few, 1.6, 1.9, Mi16……. etc….really don’t think there is much else that ticks my boxes…. Owned most cars out there and don’t hanker after anything else…. Definitely go out and buy one, any model is great fun and the main thing that is really noticeable is weight! It helps the car in every aspect….. cars of today are just too heavy…. Keep the great vids coming… 👍👍

I'd love one to keep in a garage and take out on weekends. I remember my parents old Citroen BX having the same clocks

Relationship to a T16 machine is just like today's i20N to Rally1 special, almost non existent, but still there. :-)

Good grief Man😂, the Ferris Bueller quote was random & takes me back.

You can smell that sweet burning of engine oil coming through those air vents when you used to drive the nuts off these down the back lanes

Simplicity... Didn't have a GTi but drove my mates left hand drive standard 205 around London. Simple, cute and easy with a nice design. Analogue A fan of the Renault 5 as well

Got a black 1.6 gti when i was younger, paid £80 for it lol. (had a blown head gasket, dropped in a new engine for £50 from the scrappie, and had a new car, was awsome! - (at liest until upgraded to a crx mk2 vtec a few yaers later lol))

I’ve had 3.. 2 I bought in the 90s early 2000s both for less than £500. Currently own one which I paid a LOT more for a couple of years ago. Don’t know if it was mentioned but these conversions start at £55,000 for the 1.6. And about £120,000 for the 16v 😮 What a machine though!!

Right so you have just done a Rover 800 fastback , had one and wish I still had it . 205 gti had one and wish I still had it ... If you go anywhere near series land rovers next I think I will cry !!!!

Great car. Great vid. On my fifth 👍

Always thought these were a great looking little car. Closest I got was a set of those wheels on my J reg. C15 van (Some hammerage needed on the inner bodywork to get some clearance!)

Outstanding car, but its sister the 309 had slightly better balance. In fact quite a few people on the 205 rally scene used to fit 309 rear suspension assemblies as it had a slightly wider track and would dial down the tendency to end up going backwards through a hedge.

Renault 5 GT Turbo 2! and the 6R4.. Two brilliant cars as well!

@odl21

Жыл бұрын

do the mean the renault 5 turbo? if so its a different class, RWD midengined and worth a lot more. the GT turbo was the FWD front engined one and it wasn't called the 2.

@GoldenCroc

Жыл бұрын

@@odl21 Maybe he meant mk2 renault 5? In any case, its a pretty sweet car.

Late 30's early 40's? Hows about those of us in our 50's who also lusted after these cars in our teens and twenties?

@GoldenCroc

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, was an odd range. No one in that range could legally drive when they were produced.

@marksouthwell4490

3 ай бұрын

Hehe, I lusted after this model . I had to settle for the 1.0xl . Even the 1.0 was a great little car, underpowered but fun to drive . I can only imagine what the GTI was like to drive . I'm in my early to mid 50's

Had 2 of the 1.9s , wish I'd never sold them 😭🤦‍♂️

My first car was a 1.9 GTI I still have it 12 years later.

Back in 2000-2002 had a 1.6 in these colors on the pepperpot wheels with black and red cloth interior ... never bettered the driving experience. G952 SRC (UK) if you locate it, let me know. I still have the original key ;)

I wonder if they would spec it with the EW10J4S I truly think the all alloy high air flow characteristic of that engine would be insane and it would bolt straight in.

I remember my dad buying a 205 gti 1.9 for 250 quid back in the day

the best bit is when they loose oil pressure and the oil overheats and both gauges symmetrically hit the red, along with lift off oversteer in a straight line.

@rickydub6950

Жыл бұрын

😁 only car i have owned that i have nearly crashed so many times lol i was young then though... 😂

@otacon4065

Жыл бұрын

@@rickydub6950 yeah, hardly the best fwd hot hatch handling is it!

@rickydub6950

Жыл бұрын

@Otacon so bad i recently bought the car back.. lol found it 300 miles away after 15 years and 8 owners... rolling shell and van full of bits... 1989 1.6 Sorrento Green.. hopefully back on the road 2024... 😂 🤞

@mikeygti8930

Жыл бұрын

@@otacon4065 It was prone to snap lift off over steer. When you learned the car, nothing much could keep up. If you were ham fisted with it, it would bite hard!

@otacon4065

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeygti8930 I'd rather an EF9 SiR or CRX SiR - 820-1000kg vtec/160bhp/8200rpm - WAY better handling cars that you can track on a weekend straight out of the box as with the EK9

Good, now i have to go back 15 years to afford one :)

Renault was the brand of our parents citroen our grand parents and Peugeot was the brand of the youngest😂 the only concurrent of the 205 GTI was the Renault super 5 GT turbo! Those 2 everywhere during 80's and 90's

306 Gti6, 99% of the fun, more practical, a lot, lot safer, faster and cost bugger all still.

@andyb3666

Жыл бұрын

Those aren't cheap anymore and going up too, obvs still less than a 205 mind.

Had a 1.6 GTI. Was fast enough for me to search for 4th even though I was already on 5th...

Golf VR5 the next pug 205 GTI.. better in every way" the last all rounder hot hatch.

I also had a 309gti which was voted 2nd best hothach after the Williams clio a few years ago, the 309 wasn't as squirrely as the 205 but you're not supposed to say that 😉 🙄

I've got two..one stock one i'm resto-moding

Did you buy one? I would love a Tolman but I would choose to have the analog gauge cluster.

Not a fan twitchy flimsy uncomfortable a friend has a 1.9 gti massively overrated not a Vw fan but The golf if slower was a much more complete car as was the Renault 5 turbo Was much more fun seems at the time the press thought we all commuted by B roads and were race car drivers and didn't mind a car that didn't idle properly and was a complete nightmare to drive around town and the XR2 was slower didn't drive as well out sold it enough said.

I've owned one since 96 (the same one) it is a scream to drive but if you get one now it will need welding and it won't tick over properly and in slow traffic it's a bit of a pain, Oh and if you crash you have had it they are made of tinfoil

I can pretend in my 1.1 205, right?

It has to be a 1.9

Never saw what people liked about them in my opinion very cheap,tinny looking to me, i would much prefer a Reno 5 gt 🤷‍♂️

The 1.9 is surely the ‘best’ one of the two no?

1:03 music name??

So is there much difference in power output between a 1.6 and 1.9? I take it one has a CAT and the other does not? Your 1.6 has a very sweet sounding engine, very addictive!

@mikeygti8930

Жыл бұрын

The 1.6 is alot more rev happy than the 1.9 which is lazier and produces much more torque. Power outputs were 105 for very early 1.6 which rose to 115 in about 1986. 1.9's were 128bhp which dropped to 122bhp when fitted with a Catalyst from 1992 till1994.

@EgoShredder

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeygti8930 Sounds like the 1.6 is the one to have then.

@julianwebb8712

Жыл бұрын

Bigger is better so the 1.9 is the one to have…….It’s 0.3 more so a no brainer 😂

@GoldenCroc

Жыл бұрын

@@EgoShredder Engine swap the 16v 1.9 in and do some work to it is the "true" answer....

@MrGwaldo

Жыл бұрын

@@EgoShredder non-cat 1.9 is the best. 1.6 gearbox gives zingier acceleration.

Call me weird .. but i always preferred the 306..

When i used to drive my nans Rover 100 Kensington i thought i was driving a 6R4

Couldn’t afford one but now we can 🤔we’re not all rich pal 🤦🏼‍♂️😅

Vale' the millions who lost their lives standing near a rally track I'm so glad everything is so safe and sterile these days

Interieur can by better is not original what you have in the 205 GTI. The front seats are in mine upion not nice made. They missed the orginal look. But the 205 GTI best car ever, because I have an 205 GTI 1.9 Griffe almost 17 years and stay by me. Can not life with out it 🙂

Great commercial got Tolman, but the original 205 is a dog!

Just far too expensive now for what they are / offer. Late 90s/early 00s hot hatches offer just as much analogue fun for a tenth of the cost. Same with the R5 GTT, just ridiculous (and I'm a 5GTT man)

@GoldenCroc

Жыл бұрын

Its a collectors car these days, as this video shows; the entire business of these restorations are collector dtiven for sure. And collector cars are always overpriced from a strictly driving point of view.

@andyb3666

Жыл бұрын

@ Ben Birch Those cars will go the same way in the near future like Saxo VTS for example already are starting to, so now would be the time to avoid missing out.

renault clio williams was way better.. what a sound

Nice effort but shame that it’s full of mistakes/wrong info. ‘Tolbert’?!!

Iv worked on peugeots for a few years, seen a 1.9, 205 engine with conrods out through both sides of the block, not sure what to think, but definitely wouldn't own one

The Xr ,Xt , Gr and Gt were much more fun to drive than the Gtis ,1.6 Gti was crap ,you had to reset the injection system every time you changed the oil and filter ,worked for peugeot for 30 yrs,just because it’s got Gti on it people wank theirselves silly!. The TU engine was a nice little revvy engine the XU more lumbering and unexciting!.driven all models extensively definitely not impressed with the GTI although the wannabe boy racers and car magazine readers did and still love them!.

One big reason to not buy one: I want one too but my wallet won't like the future price.

No i don't.! Cool car at the time But the 1.9 was hideous to drive round town. Lumpy engine and no power steering, Ok on a run but as an every day driver, No, thank you. Btw owned about 5 over the years, the 1.6 was the better drive imho.

@velocgee2874

7 ай бұрын

They could suffer the dreaded ‘Kangeroo’ing’

Great commercial for Tolman, but the original 205 is a dog!

@darrenhalliwell7545

Жыл бұрын

Expand, I take it your experience is from ownership of either a new or well used example?

Fun car unfortunately a total deathtrap.

Late 30s....

i had a 1.9 gti in red.. what a pos... never ever got a peugeot again... was fast though.. but my friends citroen zx was better and faster

I can give you the biggest reason not to buy one, it’s outrageous price 😂 it’s really not worth it