I love these kinds of talks on ancient writing! Thank you for making it available for the general public.

Learned a lot! Thank you for sharing!

Excellent presentation, thank you! It will be interesting to see how much more we might be able to decipher with further research.

Excellent lecture, thanks for the upload! :)

while the new video style of having the presentation and the speaker is cool looking, one can't follow what any speaker is pointing at since its not a shot of the screen but of the PowerPoint what we are seeing.

@ISAC_UChicago

8 жыл бұрын

+han dler Thank you for the feedback! We will keep that in mind as we film in the future.

@jeppejacobsen2825

8 жыл бұрын

Or just remind the speakers to point to maps and illustrations with "words" perhaps?

@jeppejacobsen2825

8 жыл бұрын

You have a very large following here - dear Oriental Institute why do you not upload more videos? This is possibly the best youtube channel of them all, immensely valuable work, enlightenment as it should be.

@ISAC_UChicago

8 жыл бұрын

+Jeppe Jacobsen Thank you! Our video recordings are funded by our members and donors - we would love to record more!

@susamekmek3101

3 жыл бұрын

The Oriental Institude+ t-The mose cursor may be used instead of a pointer maybe, if that is practical. Lecturers did so in some webinars that I have attended.

Wonderful - more, more, more from the Oriental Institute, please! Note: you would likely get many more donors if you could use Patreon. I don’t know if that works with universities, etc., perhaps it could go into a non-profit “designated funds”accounts. It is easier for us low-income people to donate that way. Fascinated, educated, but broke!

Thank you for your efforts

Thank you doctor. This was worth seeing

The sign for city represents the mounded built up towns such as Çatalhöyük, that in our period look like hills. What is interesting is the similarity between Çatalhöyük and Göbekli Tepe

@christianschultz4985

Жыл бұрын

Not versed in this era of history, but aren’t these cites relatively close to one another. Could one have been a successor to the other?

@perplexedmoth

11 ай бұрын

​@@christianschultz4985Yes they are pretty close. Even Luwians are not far. They are all in Anatolia.

thank you g.yilmaz

Love it

@ISAC_UChicago

7 жыл бұрын

+Elaine Stewart Glad you enjoyed it!

Do I have it right that cuniform Luwian predates hieroglyfic Luwian? Which I think it strange because most writing systems have an origin in pictograms that evolve into stylised pictograms, which evolve in letters or logograms.

Fascinating

Thank you

Love it!

This work and presentation are the quitely a succesful. But unforget! Luwian'a are the Anatolian "indigenious peoples".

Is she using a laser pointer or something? Because can't follow when she says here and here and here

Hey, i found an hiéroglyphes ( i think ?) İn Turkey, can i share you the picture so you tell me what exactly this is ?

@ISAC_UChicago

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Aizen! You can find contact information for all our faculty on our Website, oi.uchicago.edu, and send an e-mail.

@AizenJoestar42

4 жыл бұрын

@@ISAC_UChicago Thanks, gonna do this right now

@AnaSofia-xe2wg

4 жыл бұрын

What was it?

@AizenJoestar42

4 жыл бұрын

@@AnaSofia-xe2wg I don't know they didn't answer me back

@samisiddiqi5411

3 жыл бұрын

It's been a year or two did they say anything

I need a lover that will drive me crazy and discuss Luwian Hieroglyphs after...

@vassilopoula

Жыл бұрын

I know one but he's only good in Norse runes, should I tell him?

so is there a conection between golbee teppe rock carvings and the luwien heiraglyphs?

Remember that logographics and syllabograms based scripts are easier to read than to write. People can learn a handful of these signs through everyday use, even if they can't read everything.

Good speaker

Good

I guess it's a difficult topic to explore being one of 20 people that can read this stuff

I am writing about ancient voyaging to Pacific...do scholars at Oriental Institute know of records of voyaging to Americas aand Pacific from Anatolia area?

@ISAC_UChicago

4 жыл бұрын

Feel free to reach out to Prof. Goedegebuure, you can find her contact information on our website! (kb)

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What is origin of word "Luwiya" does it have a meaning?

@rainhawk5264

2 жыл бұрын

Not spelled Luwian...but Churubian...like the Kurdish Luri =Churi/Khurri/(C)Hurrian

@rainhawk5264

2 жыл бұрын

@Ali Kılıç nonsense. keep your turkish logic for yourself.

@rainhawk5264

2 жыл бұрын

@Ali Kılıç hahahahaha..I cannot take you seriously mate...Indo-European languages are: Germanic, Iranic (also Kurdish), Celtic, Slavic, Greek, Armenian And like it or not...that is a fact...and no it is called Churri..and Churrian...and yes in Kurdish sun means CHOR...you know like the "CHOR" - the "Egyptian" sun god...because the light-skinned Churi from the Zagros Mountains brought also agriculture to North Africa...like it or not the agricultural revolution was spread by the people of Kur/Chur -Zagros Mountain---and as far as we know the light skin came with the first agriculture....

@rainhawk5264

2 жыл бұрын

@Ali Kılıç hahahahahaha....hahahahahaha....hahahha....get educated man

@rainhawk5264

2 жыл бұрын

@Ali Kılıç hahahahah....hahahhah.... get educated man..Kurdish is an Indo-European language...that is a facct

I was expecting to see some info about the Luwian seal found in Troy.

16:48 "Logogramm - Logogrrramm, I'm sorry, *Logogramm*" What was that all about?

Slides full screen please can’t see! Don’t need to always see speaker.

I AM SEEKING PROTO LUWIAN GLYPHS REFERRING TO LONG DISTANCE VOYAGING AND GLYPHS CLOSEST TO INDUS VALLEY SCRIPT QUITE LIKE RONGO RONGO OF RAPA NUI ON BOARDS... GLYPHS READING L TO R THEN R TO L

Colony of Uruk?

Good information by I think the style of presentation could be improved.

44 thousand and counting.

Wonderful accompanying lecture to Seth Fleishman’s lectures (world history by a Jew)

Piya is in Kurdish language means Arm, hand

@redhornsms2649

4 жыл бұрын

Pi is arm Piya is both arm together

@reefjosey1947

3 жыл бұрын

luvians were a community of many races and interested in religions not races. thats why everyone used their gods, %90 of anatolian city names like İzmir, istanbul, manisa, konya, adana, hatay, erzincan, adıyaman, urfa, van and many others and are actually coming from luwian language. Turkish 'Tepe' is luwian word. also zazaki MA is Luvian word. Troia in Çanakkale is also Luwian origin. and Troians were speaking Luwian. they were oldest anatolian comminity. so their language is also living in many languages that today speaking in Anatolia.

@wexqlp3863

Жыл бұрын

@@reefjosey1947 - Luwian is the ancestors of Kurdish language of Kurmanji and Zazaki.

TONITRUS = Thunderous, the storm god

@ForceOfUru

Ай бұрын

If you claim an etymological bond, that is far fetched. Also consider checking Tarkuna, the thunder god (one of many in Anatolia).

interesting that kata and katta are same for down, just in Greek and Hittite, I guess that's one of the ways you can tell that Greek and Hittite are both Indo-European languages

@johnleake5657

Жыл бұрын

That struck me, too, though we need to be careful about reading too much from one isolated correspondence, of course.

@klausjackklaus

Жыл бұрын

@@johnleake5657 yes i am aware. i turned down a $24,000 scholarship in linguistics to go to school for medicinal chemistry. will probably get my linguistics degree at some point but just paying off current student debts

@vecvan

5 ай бұрын

Doubt it. Compare Arabic *kara* "to prostrate oneself" (namaste).

It just goes on and on.....Oriental confusion

Great presentation and good education history so sad to see the Turk and even the kurds don’t know howmuch is important .

@zaboybagoi8636

2 жыл бұрын

They dont have to do.Turk is Siberian, Kurd is Iranian.

@haticekelek9595

Жыл бұрын

We know how important the history of Anatolia is. Believe or not there are millions of people who appreciate the rich history of this land.

@kashmagoorun2900

4 ай бұрын

​@@zaboybagoi8636hhhh kurd are not iranian 😂

The absorbing step-son fundamentally signal because refrigerator postoperatively risk on a courageous reward. torpid, wide-eyed peanut

Uguagua

Los pies de los griegos

Luwians or sound\Lovi\ too are Kurdish now!!! Those employers as Hittites Sobarto Gouti Babylon Media Hurries Amazons and more all of theme kurdish people now!! They dont mantion kurdish name because political UN case..

Had you people just followed the Bible, you would know that the Luwians are the Lydians, and their original name is Lud (son of Shem). They were not of European origin, they were Semites. In the Bible, Pul & Lud who draw the bow = Pala & Luwia, which were some of the sea peoples.

@Texasmade74

2 жыл бұрын

The Bible has many historical errors

@EasternOrthodox101

2 жыл бұрын

@@Texasmade74 No, but i know one historical error -it's you western zombie🤣🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺

@marchellabrahams

Жыл бұрын

Pul or Pwl and Lud are both British names, Luwian was spoken at Troy, and the British and Etruscans are cousins. Herodotus is being proved right time after time, and so are the British records.

@EasternOrthodox101

Жыл бұрын

@@marchellabrahams Herodotus is proven only partially right time and time again. It has nothing to do with British names -british are Germanics (Magog) and Celts (Riphat). Language doesn't equal genetics Mr, many ancient peoples of Anatolia spoke Luwian - the language of the Semitic people - Lud.

@marchellabrahams

Жыл бұрын

@@EasternOrthodox101 I can only suggest you read the British records with an open mind. There are so many more connections than appear tenable at present. And it's Mrs, by the way. It's wise to conduct internet discussions in a mannerly and friendly fashion, I think.

Sure there's some similarities with kurdish language. Pi is hand Piya is the hand Azatiwada (az hatim we da) I moved forward

@nelassal1

5 жыл бұрын

Default Name fantastic connection!!! Txxx for the idea.

@bobsmithradates7346

3 жыл бұрын

False cognate. Azatiwad means "good sun god." Tiwad was the name of the sun god.

@mirellajaber7704

3 жыл бұрын

Bob Smithradates the “sun god” may just come from “he/she who moves forward”

@bobsmithradates7346

3 жыл бұрын

@@mirellajaber7704 Nope. Literally no chance. You're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Aza=good. Tiwad=the name of the sun god, from Proto-Indo-European Deyeus. Tiwad=Tiwaz/Tiwas in some dialects. Dios/Dias/Deus/Zeus all come from this same root.

@bobsmithradates7346

3 жыл бұрын

@@mirellajaber7704 "Aza" actually means "be loved by"/"dear to"...but it comes from "assu," which means "good." So Azatiwad is "loved by Tiwad/z" or "dear to Tiwad/z." Kurdish is an Iranic language--a direct translation of Azatiwad from Anatolian into Iranic be something like Vohudyaosh (that would be an Avestan version of Azatiwad). www.jstor.org/stable/40848616?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents oi.uchicago.edu/sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/shared/docs/yakubovich_diss_2008.pdf Kurdish is Iranic. Luwian is Anatolian. They are as distantly related to one another as English is related to Kurdish. Perhaps even moreso.

Hittite and Hurrian are Not Indo-European Names ... but Canaanites Hati , Hatusha etc ... Are Semite Names ... I don't know How a Culture That Worshiped The Storm God ( Baal-Hadad ) was Indo-European ???!!! What proof you have to Say is Indo-European ????!!!!

What about ugarit

The oldest kurdish language great to see. Thank you all

@bobsmithradates7346

3 жыл бұрын

Kurdish: Iranic language spoken by a people from Central Asia who originally settled in the Zagros Mountains and didn't arrive in Turkey till after 1000 BCE. Related to Persians and Afghanis. Luwian: Anatolian language spoken by people from Asia Minor during the Bronze Age. Related to Hittites. I guess Armenian, Greek, and Celtic languages (Irish, Scottish, etc) must be Kurdish languages too. They were all spoken in Asia Minor before Kurdish too.

@katmannsson

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobsmithradates7346 Oh man its almost as if literally everything you just listed is a PIE language

@reefjosey1947

3 жыл бұрын

luvians were a community of many races and interested in religions not races. thats why everyone used their gods, %90 of anatolian city names like İzmir, istanbul, manisa, konya, adana, hatay, erzincan, adıyaman, urfa, van and many others are actually coming from luwian language.

@EasternOrthodox101

2 жыл бұрын

@Ali Kılıç Reef is right, they were Semites, they came originally from there, and don't give me that "indo-" stuff. They were Lud descendents of Shem.

@reefjosey1947

2 жыл бұрын

@Ali Kılıç youtube. com /watch?v=bOz_nTJg_-k in this video link 26:14 Luvian hieroglif found in Urfa. 27:25 in Adıyaman.

Are you guys happy you know how ancient Africans used to live?

@Texasmade74

2 жыл бұрын

Hittites and Luwians were absolutely not African

Luwian people are Kurdish, in some area in Kurdistan their dialect very similar

@andres6868

3 жыл бұрын

what? Luwian is an Anatolian language, no Anatolian languages have been extanct for thousands of years. Kurdish is an Iranian language.

@reefjosey1947

3 жыл бұрын

luvians were a community of many races and interested in religions not races. thats why everyone used their gods, %90 of anatolian city names like İzmir, istanbul, manisa, konya, adana, hatay, erzincan, adıyaman, urfa, van and many others and are actually coming from luwian language. Turkish 'Tepe' is luwian word. also zazaki MA is Luvian word. Troia in Çanakkale is also Luwian origin. and Troians were speaking Luwian. they were oldest anatolian comminity. so their language is also living in many languages that today speaking in Anatolia.

@kamion53

2 жыл бұрын

Most likely the Kurds and the Luwians have the same etnic roots, but not the same linguistic roots. Roughly when you do a DNA research in what ever area you find that the population have 90% very ancient roots and at most 10% foreign roots. We tend to think that when a different language is spoken in an area then before it is due to invasion of population replacement. But mosttime the core population stays the same and only the elite is replaced

@kamion53

2 жыл бұрын

@@reefjosey1947 I too like to think the Troians spoke Luwian, but it depends a bit on what the lingua franca or trade language was. Mykenian Greek is a good candidate for the trade language and if so Priam, Hector and Paris ( or Alakasandu as in Hittite text) spoke Mykenian Greek, while their subjects spoke Luwian.

@reefjosey1947

2 жыл бұрын

@@kamion53 Luwians is not something an etnic concept. Anatolian origin group, The city-state community which no wars with each-other but trading. Today's Anatolian people (all of them) holds their genetic. that's why people living anatolia don't look like totally asian. the community starts from Thrace in Europe.

Katta in Kurdish is falling down

@bobsmithradates7346

3 жыл бұрын

"Katte" means "king" in Hattian. God means "god" in English. Cat means "cat" in English.

Not the biggest fan of an institute who 1st termed Egypt, which is Africa, part of this "oriental" word play started by JHB himself, and isn't much subscribed too by much of the scholar & science community... When your funded by Rockerfella, since the early 19th century, your an elite power politically, you can date what you want and when you fit suitable to fit a narrative, isochronously, leaving out debate, ignoring outside influenced science and not allowing opposing view (non of these speakers of Oriental Institute will open a sorta "causeway" for debate and views that oppose theirs), which is meant to be the cornerstone of science studies of all fields.. Analysis and researched work, only goes in the archeological record when it ranks supreme over debate and opposing analysis and research, a sorta counter-view based on same or other artifacts & findings, it shouldn't make its way into record just because "Oriental Institute" says so...

@monadyne

2 жыл бұрын

"Oriental" comes from the Latin word, "orientum", referring to "east", as the Latin word "occidentum" referred to "west." European scholars used the term to describe cultures to the east of Europe. The "East" was perhaps more dramatically charcterized by the Chinese and Japanese socioethnic groups. Much closer to Europe, but still with significant cultural differences, were the lands that were called, understandably, the Near East - - a term still in use today. There is no deprecating slur associated with the term "orient" but contemporary people my nonetheless take offense at its use, much as some persons would riot were they referred to as "Colored People" but are fine with being called "People of Color." The "causeway for debate" you referred to does exist. If someone has research and analysis which suggests different conclusions from those currently held by The Oriental Institute, one merely needs to collate their information in the form of a "paper" and submit it for peer-review. If the scholarship of the presentation is found to be sound, the paper can be presented to The Oriental Institute to be debated upon its merits. That exact process was referred to in this lecture, where a gentleman demonstrated that there were some words in common use in antiquity which were Hittite, not Luwian, in origin. Should vigorous debate ensue, whichever ideas best survive the gauntlet of inquiry will emerge with primacy. In other words, calm down. Just because the world of scholarship isn't "woke" and changing their long-established terms to suit the whims of the moment doesn't mean it is peopled by monsters supported by Robber Barons.

@johnleake5657

Жыл бұрын

You might remember that Oriental (i.e. 'Eastern') to include Egypt is earlier than you are, I think, suggesting, and was a Western Christian (i.e. Catholic) term. For Western Christians, the Oriental Patriarchs were (and indeed are, historically) the Patriarchs of Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria and Jerusalem, and the religious languages of the 'Eastern' Churches were be regarded as Oriental, i.e. Greek, Syriac, Armenian and Coptic, with Arabic as the language of contemporary Eastern Christians, and, above all, Hebrew, the holy tongue. You are making the mistake of assuming earlier users of the term were thinking in terms of continents, where I think they were thinking in terms of the Mediterranean, and the divisions of the late Roman world and its neighbours, and Egypt was certainly in the Eastern Med and the Eastern Roman empire.

@vecvan

5 ай бұрын

It's not clear what you complain about. 36:30 Goedegebure admits she cannot identify foreign influences and suggests several possibilities. Earlier in the script she gives credit to pictographic writing beginning 3rd to 2nd millenium.

Very interesting but unwatchable due to the amount of times she says luwian

@paulbennett772

2 жыл бұрын

What should she say? The lecture is about Luwian!

Well the greeks have the family tree All greeks

Luwian it is Russian , L and R almost the same in runic , original greeks call this place and people RU-Ша-ni -jo , they came from Russian and went back , when the water is gone

@cybelekilic7131

7 жыл бұрын

lol Luwians are proto indo-european so Anatolian is origin of Indo-European dienekes.blogspot.com.tr/2012/08/proto-indo-european-homeland-in.html

@defaultname79

6 жыл бұрын

Bugulu Barbia In kurdish RU is face of the flat land Av is water Nuw or Niha is Now Chu is gone

@KurdForever

6 жыл бұрын

correct

@esramnor6734

5 жыл бұрын

Hahaha Luwian was local language

@esramnor6734

5 жыл бұрын

@@cybelekilic7131 yeah I think its true

Thank you foe skipping the introduction. I don't need to hear a bunch of ignorant, self-indulged academes back slap each other, I prefer information over vanity.

Ancient Kurdistan. Kurdish history is full of surprises. The luwian language is closely related to Hittite/Hurrian languages. Over time becoming Mittani/Ururtu. One day Kurdish history will come to light. Once turkey/iran/Iraq/Syria adopts true democracy and stops stealing Kurdish history. The truth will come to light and their grand children will be ashamed of them.

@bblunder

7 ай бұрын

What part of lecture made you believe that Kurds are Anatolian? You belong to the Iranic family and probably settled to Anatolia in notime but 700-800 years ago. Approximately the same times with the Turks.

@wexqlp3863

7 ай бұрын

@@bblunder - ok mr “Turk-not-racist-towards-Kurds”. You should continue reading your tunnel visioned propaganda filled Turkish history altering fantasy books. According to Turks, Turkish DNA still exists within Anatolia. But research shows it’s just a myth made up to satisfy the ego of naive citizens of Turkey. You should do a DNA test on your self to prove to everyone what a pure Turk you are and to see if you’re truly a Turk. Or an orphaned Armenian, Greek, Bulgarian, Albanian or Bosnian.

@kashmagoorun2900

4 ай бұрын

​@@bblunderyour wrong we are not iranic

@madonebo9249

2 ай бұрын

​​@@kashmagoorun2900you are idiot