I think I'll always struggle with the idea of an all merciful God that gave me years of pain

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

2 жыл бұрын

*"I think I'll always struggle with the idea of an all merciful God that gave me years of pain"* ... What compels you to believe that God gave you this pain and it's not simply a necessary byproduct of "being alive" right along with pleasure? All humans eventually die by design. Is this a design flaw inherent with God ... or just the mechanics of life? BTW: I am not a theist. I'm merely seeking clarification.

@les2997

2 жыл бұрын

What amount of pain would you be willing to accept to still conclude that God exists? If there was no pain, would you then complain about inconvenience? Imagine there is no God, who would you complain to about your pain? Would you complain to evolution or the laws of nature? This doesn't make sense, does it? It appears the problem of suffering only makes sense if God exists and designed it to allow suffering to exist.

@foxdavani4091

2 жыл бұрын

Doubt god gave it but to allow it is as serious a crime. Put god on trial

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

2 жыл бұрын

@@foxdavani4091 *"Put god on trial"* ... God has been on trial ever since the Hebrew people first postulated that God exists. BTW: I am not a theist.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

These are Master/Slave religions - people living under Kings/Dictators came up with these Gods using their Master/King/Dictator as a template "We must get down on our knees, swear loyalty(belief) & obedience and beg for his mercy, and hope for a reward(Heaven)" Think Putin, Saddam - those who support them are rewarded & torture, rape & death for those who do not Simple, primitive ideas of God being blindly followed by the best of minds today

Wow. Such complicated mental machinations! I find Dr. van Inwagen's conjectures to be a great example of the human need to create a "comfortable" God.

God MUST be perfect. Nothing that doesn't exist has flaws.

@rizwanrafeek3811

2 жыл бұрын

If so-called 'god' of Christians planned and killed Jesus blameless prophet of god, where is the perfection in the 'god' of Christians? If the true God planned and killed Jesus(pbuh) blameless prophet of God for Christians "salvation", then God Himself has to *honor* the evil killing blameless prophet of God, God Himself has to *frame* the evil killing blameless prophet of God, God Himself has to *participate* in the evil killing blameless prophet of God, God Himself has to *accept* the evil killing blameless prophet of God, God Himself has to *endorse* the evil killing blameless prophet of God. There will be nothing left as "Perfect Being" should God planned and killed Jesus. Here is another problem with Christian's version of perfect concept of 'god'. If Christian's 'god' created mankind with forgetfulness and fallible in their nature, how in the World such 'god' would expect perfection from mankind, when it was not found from the day one when Adam and Eve were created? Thank God for Islam, Islam makes sense to those who are thinking.

@xenphoton5833

2 жыл бұрын

@@rizwanrafeek3811 there are a great deal of Christian,Muslims, Hindus, Jews and many other faiths that respect each other. I was once told that Muslims believed that Jesus was sent by God. It wasn't God that killed Jesus it was the people in government. Also if you are dying with the knowledge that you are going on to a spectacular existence, would it be so bad? I would think Jesus experienced far more literal pain interacting with infidels than his hours upon the cross.

@rizwanrafeek3811

2 жыл бұрын

@@xenphoton5833 _"It wasn't God that killed Jesus it was the people in government. "_ Which means God did not subject mercy and salvation upon crime against humanity in the killing Jesus(pbuh) blameless prophet of God, as result there is no "salvation" waiting for Christians. Beside Christianity is direct violation to first and second commandments of God. _"I was once told that Muslims believed that Jesus was sent by God. "_ True and likewise for Moses(pbuh) and Mohammed(pbuh) and the Quran is direct spoken words of God. _"Also if you are dying with the knowledge that you are going on to a spectacular existence, would it be so bad? "_ Except for good Muslims on Earth the rest of humanity dying with false beliefs and false hopes. There is no forgiveness before God, if one sin against God Himself. All man-made holy books authored by men command humanity to worship a man or objects created by men and this practice is evidence in Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism and Christianity and all these religion's holy books were authored by men.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

These are Master/Slave religions - primitive people living under Kings/Dictators used them as their template for God which even the best of minds of today blindly follow "Master will GIVE us the good life in Heaven, we must get down on our knees, beg & grovel for his mercy" - that is the mentality - of course Master is perfect!

@rizwanrafeek3811

2 жыл бұрын

@@ramaraksha01 Indeed it is master/slave because we know our position in the cosmos. Your mentality is your 'god' ate food and used toilet on Earth. I know you don't know who God is and who God is not. Being slave to the one who Infinite is rewarding, while you believe in a man who used toilet will have his arms around you in the hereafter as 'god', you are on the same boat as Buddhist and Sikhs.

It would really appear that omniscient God or strictly physical determinism… “We’re not here because we’re free. We’re here because we’re NOT free.”-Agent Smith.

@les2997

2 жыл бұрын

If determinism is true, then your comment has no meaning.

A Universe is a faithful reflection of its Creator.

I like this kind of filming

Profound indeed

He is so perfect that he doesn't even exist

@basicbeyondpiano7023

2 жыл бұрын

xD

making the right choices in life is perfect enough, for many of us 🤔 and that coud be probable if one a) knows all the answers b) has access to time travel c) follows the right path Is there any other option...

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

Adding a Quick Save feature to life should cover it. There's a few do-over points I'd love to revisit.

“What does God need with a starship”……Captain Kirk.

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

2 жыл бұрын

*"What does God need with a starship”* ... I thought the same thing when I first heard _"We Built This City."_

@user-dc4bl1cu2k

2 жыл бұрын

"You have not answered his question. What does God need with a starship"....Mr Spock

@stratmancruthers

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-dc4bl1cu2k “Damn it Jim, I’m a doctor not a philosopher!”….Bones

Knowledge is the reference of truth, Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle and many others agree.

The logical position toward an extraordinary, supernatural claim is skepticism until proof is offered, and so far none of the thousands of gods that have been claimed to exist throughout history have lifted a finger to prove themselves. In fact, most believers grasp this for themselves - they automatically disbelieve all religious claims except their own, barring actual proof that never produces itself.

Why wasn't the most obvious question ever asked: How can something PERFECT create something that goes against it's intention?

@rizwanrafeek3811

2 жыл бұрын

@Chubnutz _"How can something PERFECT create something that goes against it's intention? "_ I will try to answer the question from Islamic prospective. First it is freewill. Secondly, God of the Quran will not make one accountable until unless God delivers the message of Islam to him or her. It is the Satan himself want to diviate humanity away from the path of God, the Satan is public enemy to humanity at large. Those men and women, over come all obstacle on Earth and remain as Muslim kept the five pillars of Islam, they will have the reward with God, which is infinite. Parable: On Earth those who passed final exams go to medical school and pass the medical school exams, given the honor of being medical doctor, and being called similar to a title as: Dr. Chubnutz. You wouldn't send your children to school that has no final exams, would you?

@filthyclown8033

2 жыл бұрын

@@rizwanrafeek3811 grow up

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

2 жыл бұрын

@@rizwanrafeek3811 *"Why wasn't the most obvious question ever asked: How can something PERFECT create something that goes against it's intention?"* ... The most obvious answer to that question is, since it's an all-powerful being we're talking about, it does so ... _because it _*_CAN!_* There is nothing _preventing_ a perfect being from creating imperfect beings. An all-powerful being can do anything it chooses and is not bound by any rules, edicts, or restrictions. BTW: I am not a theist.

@yami4910

2 жыл бұрын

@@filthyclown8033 I don't see nothing wrong with that. If God had an intention for us to NOT go against his laws, then we wouldn't. However, I don't think that's what God wanted.

@benjamintrevino325

2 жыл бұрын

@@rizwanrafeek3811 "God of the Q'uran will not make someone accountable unless God delivers the message of Islam to him or her." It's better to not hear the message then. (Same goes for Christianity and Judaism)

I believe the omniscient God knows where missing plane MH370 is located. Therefore, I asked in prayer the coordinates but did not receive an answer. Can you ask as well?

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

Yahweh's not telling... because "context".

So many people, learned, scholar or ignorant, keep making so many comments about God, doesn't matter from which path, they keep describing him, they say how God feels, how He acts bla bla since thousands of years. Every opportunity I ask them if they were personally contacting Him to be able to speak this certain in the Name of Him who is all omnicent and what not. Has not met any honest one saying yes. I have not witnessed either God's replying or confirming or rejecting any comment made on his behalf either. So it is fully upto one's belief. Belief means the path of " Either you take it or leave it." That is why it is very rare to see an accomlished God seeker in this century.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

What is sad is that the top religions of the day are but Death Cults with "Gods" that are Putins, Saddams - "believe in me, support me & I will reward you. If you do not, you will suffer" Just amazing that these are the Gods in the 21st century I keep asking where are the educated?

Well define what perfect is

If one compares the Old Testament to the New Testament and one considers them both theological "canon", for lack of a better word, then one must conclude that god himself thought he was a tad too "fire and brimstone" on the first iteration maybe? The 2nd revision seemed much more conciliatory. Thus he's /she's either perfect and just changes their mind a lot or they're flat out wrong about certain concepts.

@TurinTuramber

2 жыл бұрын

It was written in the iron age by superstitious goat herders. It is a crafted tool, designed with a purpose.

@benjamintrevino325

2 жыл бұрын

Don't be too generous about the New Testament. While Jesus was a peace and love hippie type, his followers, beginning with Paul, were still full of fire and brimstone. And don't forget about the horses with scorpion tails in Revelation.

Thank you for this beautiful message of encouragement. I knew the path that I choose would be a life of pain and heartbreak death slander and exile when walking the path of light. Trying hard to walk the path of light darkness has followed me. I’m a single mother with two boys both are autistic and non verbal. So I’m already so overwhelmed. My husband passed away three years ago unexpectedly from a car accident. So I’m all alone. I have no friends nor family. I recently lost my job over declining the vaccine. I declined due to my pre existing health conditions, lupus, and heart disease. We are struggling daily to make ends meet, everyday is a constant battle, the fear of homelessness with two young children. I’m so ashamed of my situation, but I know God will carry me through. I have faith. Thank you Heavenly Father. Thank you Jesus. This will make me stronger in my faith! God will provide abundantly.

@12marcusboy

2 жыл бұрын

Strength to you and your family. I hope you stay safe and protected x

@BrianNeil

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you and your children stay safe and well.

@xenphoton5833

2 жыл бұрын

Where are you?

@briang8766

2 жыл бұрын

I’m sorry to hear about what you’ve been dealing with. As an agnostic and non-spiritual/non-religious person, I can honestly say that you are not alone in your struggles and misfortune. I’ve been living in similar circumstances over the past few years (little to no friends or family and unable to work full time due to health problems).. most notably this past year dealing with the death of my best friend (who was like a brother to me) and the death of my pet cat that I had for 17 years who was also my best & only true friend. Again, I would like to let you know that you’re not alone and I hope everything works out for you eventually. Good luck & best wishes 😊

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

And yet right now he is not? But you think there is a payoff after Death? A slave mentality has been fostered, never blaming Master for anything

Being that we are imperfect, how can we comprehend what perfect is? 🤔

First of all christians say God is all love so if that's true than that is an emotion secondly the bible says he creates both good and evil so that is another emotion which proves he is not all good and isn't all love. If God has emotions then how is heaven just all love and all good? It can't be that would contradict itself. Also if he created time and he does not exist him his own time of creation then there is no way we can communicate with him because he can not be in time and out of time at the same time this would have to mean we are in a simulation we are in judgment right now he is viewing each person's life to determine where each person goes.

A good source with common sense and skills with intelligence a respectful video of the lord*

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

God made in the image of the King/Dictator - if we get down on our knees, beg, grovel, we will be rewarded with an eternal life of ease & comfort We get a life similar to the supporters of Putin, Saddam, Kim Jong-un A life that prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/parasites live happily sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies! Billions sitting about doing nothing, an idle, lazy, useless and pointless existence for eternity! Ah, God's Grand Plan!

If there truly exists a higher Being (God) who succeeded in creating the unfathomable order implicit in the billions of galaxies of this universe, then this Being is as far above us in scope and consciousness as we are above amoebas. And the point is that thinking that Peter van Inwagen might have a clue as to what God's true nature and motives might be, is the metaphorical equivalent of thinking that an amoeba (swimming in a drop of water) might have a clue as to what the true nature and motives of humans might be.

@browngreen933

2 жыл бұрын

Perfectly stated. Humans are so full of themselves, especially religious ones.

@foxdavani4091

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The whole bible and other holy book garbage needs to all be burned as they are all pretending to understand higher beings based on human behavior which just leads to wars and twisting of scientific truths.

@Obeijin

2 жыл бұрын

The Tao ...

@idrisarab5110

2 жыл бұрын

👍🌹❤🌹👍

@ethioredpills6954

2 жыл бұрын

@@foxdavani4091 Are you Literally saying we should burn the bible like that of Nazis who burned books which they think are against their beliefs. BTW the bible doesn't claim to know everything there is to God, infact it constantly reminds the readers that God is mysterious and far beyond our understanding. The bible is written in a way that we could understand the bare minimum nessary truth there is about God.

Deal or no Deal , give me the money!

That's some fancy architecture.

I agree with Mr Van Inwagon - God cannot know what is unknowable and no thought can exist without an antecedent thought: Therefore free will does not exist.

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

What if you have two antecedent thoughts that weigh future possibilities? When you arrive at that choice is it really predetermined? I think the free-will vs determinism is a false dichotomy, due to inadequate terminology.

@B.S...

2 жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 Unless the decision (thought) is spontaneous (without an antecedent) the decision was determined. You cannot escape determinism. Do brains have spontaneous thoughts, (thoughts without sufficient cause)? Yes - the irrational brains of psychotics. Two antecedent thoughts simultaneous (I think) is a multi-personality disorder. Is free will an illusion? I think so.

Fathoming the Unfathomable

How was God born? What was before God?

@levonagazaryan9391

2 жыл бұрын

How was Slender-man born? What did you eat before dinner? These are far more interesting and meaningful questions

So, how is the god being discussed not man defined? Any god for that matter?

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

2 жыл бұрын

*"So, how is the god being discussed not man defined? Any god for that matter?"* ... All definitions and conceptions of God are _man-defined._ Rocks, trees, worms, and atoms don't define anything at all.

Does God need to know what happens in the future before it happens? Maybe it is enough for God to know that everything will happen through free will, if free will is enough to bring about the reality that God wills, whatever that reality may be?

@scruffypupper

2 жыл бұрын

Why does free will need consequences?

May I ask? Are you perfect? If yes, on your point of view, God must be like you. If you say no, with which table of mesure you can say if God is perfect? And the last... Which God are you trying to opinion about?

@maxwellsimoes238

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely difinition concern GOD arent POSSIBLE. Always any reason doubt are GOD principles.

@experiencemystique4982

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxwellsimoes238 exactly.... So, we are talking about what? Speculating?

You first need to prove that God exist ! The claim that God is perfect is the same as the claim that Leprechaun’s are perfect!

Of course he is perfect

@ministryofarguments3525

2 жыл бұрын

So perfect that it decided it had to rip it up and start again. Not so perfect after all.

Interesting debate, but I need a better definition of free will. If free will is not deterministic, i.e. has no causal cause, then behaviour becomes random. So does free will mean a random generator built into the mind? However, the personal feeling is that my thoughts and actions have a cause, so they are deterministic?

@xenphoton5833

2 жыл бұрын

Both Free Will and determinism exist. No big deal

They follow their own tendencies unless they ask GOD for help

Does an omniscient God know the exact momentum and position of an elementary particle simultaneously

@Mentat1231

2 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@javadhashtroudian5740

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mentat1231 so there are hidden variables or do you mean God is beyond logic and science

@Mentat1231

2 жыл бұрын

@@javadhashtroudian5740 On the one hand, I do think that a theory where the indeterminacy is epistemic is going to turn out to be right. But, in case that's wrong, I should amend my response and say this: If there is a fact of the matter, then God knows it and is not limited to finding out one and then the other.

One cannot decide if something is perfect without first defining what that something is.

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

Defining terms. Not something that Kuhn is known for.

@scruffypupper

2 жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 Kuhn asks a lot of good questions knowing he'll never get the answers he's looking for.

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

@@scruffypupper But he will get another season, and another...

@scruffypupper

2 жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 LOL of course.

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

@@realitycheck1231 Now define "universal" and "love". And if god is everything then how could it not be the opposite of Oneness as well?

I wonder... If we are all necessarily sinners here on earth, how would being in heaven suddenly change our behavior and tendencies to stop doing all the endless things considered to be sinful? Wouldn't that suggest that in heaven we all lose our free will? Or maybe in heaven, God decides that we can do whatever we want but no longer classifies any actions as sin. For example, if here on earth, I am attracted to another mans wife, then I am sinning. But what happens if I were to have the same attraction in heaven? If I've "chosen" or "allowed" myself to have such desires here on earth, then without some kind of change to my free will, what would stop me from having such desires in heaven?

@scruffypupper

2 жыл бұрын

The (Christian) bible resolves that by saying in heaven you are neither male or female, there is no giving in marriage. The implication is our human bodies / existence won't be a factor in heaven while, interestingly, being the very vehicle by which we get there--all of our choices and behaviors made while living in this body. You're denied your earthy desires of a so-called sinful nature yet in heave you're rewarded by have NO desires whatsoever. There's a lot of talk about free will so consider what it really is--and isn't. It's not genuine free will if it's conditional. And the free will humans have been given, according to religious beliefs, is very conditional. If you want to go to heaven, you must do "X". If you choose not to... you don't get into heaven. That's the choice? Two options and you're rewarded with punishment for choosing one of them. It may be a choice but is it truly a free one? Free of consequences that is a form of manipulation to one choice over the other?

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

The world that God created is not pleasing to everyone - down here we have to WORK to make a living, PAY for what we eat, live, EARN what we desire And oh yes face life - poverty, covid19, climate change, drugs, Dictators, job losses..... Death Cults take advantage, making cheap promises of an alternative wonderful world only AFTER Death, of course. They know and the followers know as well, that there is no evidence of such worlds But getting there is easy - just beg & grovel to this King/Dictator "God", pleased, He will GIVE them an eternal life of pleasure! Sit about doing nothing & live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/parasites do down here shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar daddies! It shouldn't be working against anyone having a bit of common sense but it seems to work even against the best of brains like this koo-koo who makes these videos

Would an omniscient God allow for such needless suffering everywhere? Or is suffering good for certain people in its eyes?

Yes! God exists!!! But only in believers head and in books!!!😁😁🤣🤣🤣

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

They have zero evidence and they are making all these cheap promises And some guy like you and me ask for evidence and so "it will happen only if you believe, we want only believers" and so they gain a core membership Similar to Death Cults like Heaven's Gate Once they gain enough members, discrimination, abuse of unbelievers start And these are top religions of the day So much for our all tall talk of morality and values

@godlessbeliever4817

2 жыл бұрын

@@ramaraksha01 ,👍👍👍✌✌✌👌👌👌

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

@@godlessbeliever4817 What amazes me is that in the 21st century, in the free world, the top Gods are Putin's, Saddam's - "believe in me, support me & I will reward you. If you don't you will suffer" The very same people calling Putin and his supporters pure scum, as soon as the name is changed from Putin to God, now become willing Scum! Amazing! I keep asking where are the educated?

I say here something different, enlightened men say they see things as they are,they are not affected by good bad, they say neither anything is good nor bad.so what do understand from their experience about nature?

Is it just me or does nobody actually explain what it actually means that God created us in his image?

@browngreen933

2 жыл бұрын

Basically it means that humans are super conceited and too full of themselves.

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

Because humans have problems with the relative position of carts and horses unless they are dealing with actual carts and horses. They also suck at understanding probabilities.

@xenphoton5833

2 жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 do you understand probabilities?

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

@@xenphoton5833 I understand one in three of them/

@scruffypupper

2 жыл бұрын

Do all religions say that or only Judeo-Christian? The bible says that but as God (the one referenced in that passage) is a spirit then we must have originally had a spirit body, OR, as others have said, "his image" means his likeness in terms of spiritual qualities (not form). Either way, I think if we actually were created in his image we would NEVER have 'fallen' into sin because I hear God is perfect, incapable of committing sin and evil. Yet he could create spirit beings like himself, apparently perfect but with free will to choose, and those "free spirits" (pun intended) chose darkness over light. It's been nothing but one loooong argument since.

Perfect at not existing.

How can this supposed God endow man with so-called 'freedom' when He is restricted (not free) by his own perfection (cannot make a mistake, or be sinful). He must therefore be, in part, sinful to be able to pass it on to man. Conclusion: God is 'less than' (i.e, not God).

Personally the ownly important thing is to be kind period. God will do as He pleases if there is a God so I am irrelevant. I ownly need to be kind to everyone unless people are impossible to live with Jarvis Collegiate Institute of Olivia Chow

I wonder if God knows the fact tat I`m unemployed...and WHY he keep me at home from such a long time ?? :)))

The answers is clear, if you plants 🌱 ❤️ then you grow love , and if you plant war’s, then you grow war’s! And is the same reaction with everything else! As the baby of wolves 🐺 will be a wolf, and the baby of birds 🦢 will be a bird !

Sophistry

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

Bingo.

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

Actually Sophistry Bingo would be a great game to play with these sorts of videos. A grid of logical fallacies on a card. Be the first one to get a line or, in the case of William Lane Craig, a full card.

@user-gk9lg5sp4y

2 жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 that would be fun

Could omniscience be that God knows everything needed to be known for his purpose through free will?

@scruffypupper

2 жыл бұрын

You really think free will exists? Our "free will" comes with conditional reward or punishment--in any religion. That should be enough to explain free will doesn't exist. If you have children, imagine a moment when you're trying to get him to behave. You tell him if he does what you want you'll give him something special. If he doesn't do what you want (which you tell him is for his own good), you'll punish him by withholding something good (not necessarily physical punishment). And as humans how many of us have done just that with our kids, emulating this perfect, loving God of "free will"? I'm afraid we are the butt of very long-running joke if we believe in free will.

@jamesruscheinski8602

2 жыл бұрын

@@scruffypupper have free will with God, not with any human person

@scruffypupper

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesruscheinski8602 I am talking about free will with God.

@scruffypupper

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesruscheinski8602 That one-on-one relationship you have with God is contingent on the relationships you have with fellow humans. Everything God wants you to be and do is directly related to how you interact with other humans. You are rewarded or punished based on how you treat people. Your love for God is judged by how well, or badly, you treat people. Your relationship to humanity is the interface by which you supposedly "know" God. He used his own son, Jesus, to "prove" he loved you. The ONLY free will you have is to choose right or wrong as defined by the God who gave you that supposed "free will". I guess the human definition of unbiased, unconditional love is a far cry from what it is to God. Think about it. Do you love someone unconditionally? God doesn't.

@abelincoln8885

2 жыл бұрын

God knows every human being that will ever be. But Man was created by God to BECOME his children & to dwell with forever ... and he knew exactly what he needed to do to save his children from his just nature to punish anybody who sins. Of course this is all about freewill ... and ... Man's ability to create others with freewill ... who can create others with free will .... etc. God knows that it will take 7000 year since creation .... for the last Human Being who will obey God's will & BECOME a child of God. Only good comes from obeying God. Only evil comes from disobeying God. Choose well.

God cannot know or do anything since the process involved in knowing and doing must either acknowledge or generate an imperfection in God. As such, God cannot create the Universe, interact with the Universe or save human souls. To whatever extent God either needs to do something or chooses to do something God is imperfect, incomplete and in a state of either ignorance or error. God also cannot possess personality, identity or purpose. These attributes cannot exist without generating some lack or incompleteness in God. God also cannot exist. Absolute perfection demands non-existence since existence itself requires a lacking or failure to attain non-existence. If God is stuck in a state of existence without the option of ceasing to exist God is powerless as a human.

@stalkerno.3140

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting.

@mattsigl1426

7 ай бұрын

Why would choosing to do something imply incompleteness or error? That doesn’t follow, especially if God, in his perfect omnipotence, must make some decision about whether to create or not. Why is creating any more problematic than not creating? One takes no more effort than the other to God.

@sentientflower7891

7 ай бұрын

@@mattsigl1426 if God must do something God lacks free will.

You said much time about god is infinite. But you don't actually see god as infinite. God infinite means we have many situations, many world, parralel universe. All angles and devas can be in this infinite. Nothing is impossible, but maybe not in our world. So the problem of evil will vanish. Every thing MUST happen.

It seems that speculation on the power of his version of a god is slowly moving it's power from a 10 to a 3. His god can't know everything and can't even control everything. So can't know how history will play out over time. More of an observer than a prime mover

I honestly can’t follow his argument at the end. Does he imply that if God had chose not to create the universe he would have NO knowledge about what the world would do if he created it? But, doesn’t the possibility that he could CREATE the world imply the necessity of this counter-factual knowledge? (The middle-knowledge position) Or, if God “ordains” absolutely everything (here described as Aquinas’ position) he knows that he could create it to do whatever he wanted within the limits of metaphysical possibility? But Inwagen is claiming here that there is nothing in this scenario for god to know. What?!? Assuming that human choices are free in the sense that God does not absolutely determine human behavior, (like in middle knowledge’s model) if Inwagen is right, then when God creates he gains a lot of knowledge that would otherwise be “undetermined” (because, according to Inwagen he lacks middle knowledge). But this seems weird. It implies God can know more things the more he creates. I can kinda see a way out of this using the idea of God’s knowledge as a particular kind of set, and what’s out of that set is unknowable, even to God, and God just chooses what set is his set, but I’m not sure this works. There seems to be an intrinsic asymmetry between knowing something and knowing you don’t know something when that something is something you could know should you choose to know it.

I used to sing to God before realizing I’m wasting my time with hymn

Your description of God and Eve in the Garden reminds me of a cat playing with a mouse before he kills and eats it.

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

That's how the Gnostics read that fable. The Gardner was a zookeeper, playing at being god. The serpent was the real god, the Liberator, revealing the lie to Adam & Eve. And when they learned the truth, fake god got angry and ran off with his ball.

Islamic concept of God is, that God is a Perfect Being and God never violates HIS majestic nature. Learn the concept of God, your conscience will thank you.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

A Master/Slave religion - of course Master is perfect Get down on our knees, beg, grovel & He will reward us with Heaven! It is that Heaven that you are after - the eternal pleasures of the flesh gained the easy lazy way - just beg, grovel and be rewarded

@rizwanrafeek3811

2 жыл бұрын

@@ramaraksha01 I understand your concept heaven is that you become 'god' yourself or your gods have arms around you for worshipping idols and images, which I understood from you. Master/Salve idea derive from that we are helpless and powerless being in the cosmos, should we have the to obtain pleasures of the flesh gained the easy lazy way - just beg, grovel and be rewarded that is because we are a creation that is in need. The God whom we go to, for our needs who is infinite whereas your concept that you becomes a 'god' yourself or your 'gods' arms around you were just another human being who lived and used toilet on Earth. Infinite being vs your 'gods' who used toilet on Earth. Which one likely telling you the truth?

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

@@rizwanrafeek3811 I can say you worship air - but again this worship - what is your goal? Heaven - endless pleasures of the flesh Obtained the easy lazy way Prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/parasites down here use such methods - find a rich Sugar Daddy, beg, grovel, sing his praises & hope for a life of ease & comfort That is your goal as well This religion has reduced you down to a shameless gigolo/leech and you can't even see it! amazing!

Huh?

This was too hard for me to follow. Better luck with the next video :)

It seems quite impossible that the one inferior in power, authority, knowledge and in other attributes could regard God as perfect or not. The only thing creatures can do is to appreciate or admit the degree of completion and finness in observable and imaginable aspects of His creations. Just like masses could only appreciate the administration of the governing authority. Imagine if students could absolutely apprehend the teacher's level or qualification then the status of teacher become vanishes. One could regarded as God because His creatures are not enough capable to compete or understand Him, they're merely perceivers of His givings.

@ministryofarguments3525

2 жыл бұрын

Rip it up and start again.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

Master/Slave mentality - of course Master is perfect Beg, grovel, sing his praises and He will reward us with Heaven Prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/parasites do the same singing the praises of their rich Sugar Daddies

God is perfect. Perfectly non-existent.

I've come to believe God isn't who/what we thought he/it is. Religion obviously can't explain God. I do believe there is a god of this world but he's not the Source/Creator of everything that exists. The biblical god of this world likely created us from already existing elements and the fact that he created imperfection suggests to me that he was imperfect himself. I don't think perfection can create imperfection. A god/God who is perfect needs nothing, especially the adoration and service of imperfect beings that he had to create in the first place, flawed beings who would "need him" to save them. A co-dependent creator/creation? Narcissistic much? Not a very loving thing, a perfect God creating imperfection to the extent we would need someone to save us from our so-called sinful nature. Oh, and that "free will"? It's an illusion. It's manipulation, giving humans one right choice, one wrong choice with appropriate reward/punishment depending on your choice. God punishing man for something he didn't do, that's beyond his control from the beginning. Doesn't sound like an omni-God to me. But man, being the clever shyster emulating his creator, takes that potential and runs with it, hence, we have religion. We're supposed to emulate God's righteousness but oh, dear, if we do that... oh, it's ok if GOD does it but not us... got it.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

It's just amazes me that even people like you can't see a King/Dictator Primitive people living under Kings/Dictators used such men as their template Think Putin, Kim Jong-un - "believe in me, support me & I will reward you. If you do not, you will suffer" Very very simple, primitive views of God How are you not seeing this?

Read the ten commandments I AM A JEALOUS GOD This is not from someone that is perfect . Plus he will curse not only you if you go against him ,but your children and your children's children NOT anyone I think is worth following

@abelincoln8885

2 жыл бұрын

You say that as an IMPERFECT Man. God also hates ..... evil. God's hate is not the same as Man's hate.

As soon as you say god knows all truths but god can't know false things, you are subscribing to epistemological laws which rule above God's power. Who created the laws God must obey? Or if laws pre-exist and confine us but not god, and some both us and god, why isn't it simpler to just say there are laws which confine us and not suppose an extant God? After all, it is argued the rules make sense due to them. That is why we need the explanation they offer. If God is ruled by epistemological ones then why not natural ones? Because he created nature but not knowledge? So who created knowledge? A god of gods?

God is not perfect since he made such an imperfect world and universe

It is an impossible mind-twister to believe in a perfect being who at the same time - supposedly created us humans with our high level of imperfection - defined selfish rules (the first 3 of the 10 commandments summarize to "you must worship me and only me") - jumps into anger and wrath if you do not worship or obey him - sends you to hell if you do not grasp his obviously clear and crisp guidelines that all humans understand the same way, unambiguously. - and many more inconsistencies... Please think again... it is a human-invented concept and has nothing to do with goodness and perfection. Why do people oppose against dictatorships (compare above items e.g. on nazi Germany, North-Korea, etc.), yet support the concepts fully in their spiritual beliefs? Not believing in unbelievable things is proving to be the most responsible, humble, open-minded and least pretentious way to live your life.

Does god have a foundational mind? If so would god's freedom be limited? If not how would god make a rational decision or is god irrational or psychotic?

@MrZenerTech

2 жыл бұрын

My vote is on psychotic.

@xenphoton5833

2 жыл бұрын

Ask the same of yourself

Ohw and about something else: dark matter. That does not exist. Because dark matter is the opposite side of matter. And you know how the saying goes: everything matters because nothing doesn't matter at all.

Time is perfect. Because it's nothing with everything in it. Therefor what everyone think about that god is a creator. Isn't true. It is the moment you're looking for. That is what y'all say that god is. It's time. And god or devil heaven or hell are human made concepts to control behavior to each and another. Therefor god isn't perfect because that god lives in the moment and doesn't have nothing to put infront of it or the back. But time does.

@J.M_Sterken

2 жыл бұрын

I don't want to shatter all beliefs. But you ask a question and i just answer the fact about it. I do not disrespect any believes.❤

I switched off when he started talking eve and causation because he totally lost the thread of causation. If 'god' were 'setting up' conditions then there is no free will, a bias is included in the system.

@dustinellerbe4125

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, everything was designed by God with intent and in place. The only thing one has is the illusion of choice.

People still believe in God? That's almost more unbelievable than believing in God.

There is no such thing as an infinite number of anything because if it has a number it can't be infinite. I wish they would quit saying that.

@benjamintrevino325

2 жыл бұрын

Count from one onward and let me know when you find the last number.

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjamintrevino325 I believe Merlyn is arguing the term "infinite _number_ of (whatever)" is self-conflicting since infinity has no unique number serving as finality. It was just a semantics-based question.

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC Is that why Infinity is represented by an 8 that fainted from exhaustion. (Yeah. I know it represents Ouroboros, the serpent eating its own tail...)

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

2 жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 *"(Yeah. I know it represents Ouroboros, the serpent eating its own tail...)"* ... In fairness, I did not know that.

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC That's my understanding. It's why the line is not completed. It represents the head and the tail. A lot of wisdom in many old symbols.

Kinda weird how so-called “philosophical experts” can speak about untestable and unseen things like “god” or “gods” with such certainty. Just the sheer arrogance and hubris it takes to make such baseless & bold assumptions (or assertions) I find sorta puzzling and weird to say the least 🤔

@rofkec

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly because they are "philosophical experts". They presume a certain set of conditions and then work the logic around it. If they were talking about testable and seen things, they would be scientists, wouldn't they? It's like saying how could mathematicians talk about numbers with such certainty - what a crime! :D

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

That is what is so weird - this guy does a lot of science shows and yet when it comes to religion he is as brainwashed as any of them

(0:30) *PvI: **_"Omniscience is simply that, for every truth, God knows that truth."_* ... The *conception* of God is real, but the *existence* of God is not. "God" (by definition) represents the highest possible state of conceivability. Nothing else can be conceived that is higher, greater, stronger, or more ubiquitous and still remain grounded in logic. By definition, God is necessarily perfect, all-knowing, all-powerful, and everywhere as these are all attributes of the highest possible level of conceivability. *Takeaway:* When consciousness is totally free to conceive of all possible things, given enough time, the conception of God inevitably emerges. Even the conceivability of a "God Slayer" emerges, but this conception cannot not trump the already established definition (conception) of God.

kaj tega nihce ne ve??kuhana in pecena sem dajala vse podatke v javnost..te podatke katere nihce ni vedel..govorila sem tudi ogromno o bogu..vi pa se sedaj ne veset???

Being imperfect, in order to avoid inconveniences man needs to plan everything. God doesn't. This is his omniscience. In other words, omniscience means being able to deal with any kind of unpredictable events without losing control.

@hecticnarcoleptic3160

2 жыл бұрын

Claims, claims. No evidence. Just another delusion...

@bluelotus542

2 жыл бұрын

@@hecticnarcoleptic3160 Free will is there.

God who?

Grandad holy ( air ) Spider web our shells & eyelids The Grays from the milky way 👽🛸

Hey Mister Jake k, em verdade eu te escrevo. A justiça irá bater-te há porta, irá perguntar-te porque razão desprezas o verdadeiro com mau inglês e abraças o mentiroso com bom inglês?!. Eu? Eu vou voltar ao meu primeiro amor. Pois já não tenho paciência para usar o meu síndrome de asperger neste lugar frequentado por pessoas que não intervém pela verdade ao próximo.

This should be properly titled.... "Is the non-existent God perfect?" That would make more sense.

@Mentat1231

2 жыл бұрын

Non-existent things cannot be perfect (they can't be anything).

@parkjammer

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mentat1231 They can be perfectly non-existent.

@Mentat1231

2 жыл бұрын

@@parkjammer LOL!

😂😂😂 what is “perfect”? It’s a human made up term for the sake of conversation between two human beings and not much else.

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

2 жыл бұрын

*"what is “perfect”? It’s a human made up term for the sake of conversation between two human beings and not much else."* ... Humans represent by far the most advanced stage of evolution ever happening within the entire 13.8-billion-year timespan of the universe. We are proudly perched at the top of the evolutionary ladder! Why wouldn't our conceptualization of what we perceive as being "perfect" be important? After all, the universe had 10.3 billion years of inanimate structure to work with, yet, for some strange reason, self-aware humans came along with our inquisitive nature.

@VuNguyen-mh4oo

2 жыл бұрын

@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC So, tell us what is perfect? What criteria do we count toward perfection? When we say something is perfect, what do we mean. Don’t quote evolution, the brain we have is a freak of nature unintentionally made by evolutionary pressure. The ability to ask question doesn’t mean the animal asking it is perfect. If the world is populated with only trees, no animals, would the earth still be perfect WITHOUT human questioning?

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

2 жыл бұрын

​@@VuNguyen-mh4oo *"So, tell us what is perfect? What criteria do we count toward perfection?"* ... Humans are the ones who conceived the construct called "perfection." It's up to us to keep defining and clarifying this construct. All criteria from every individual who seeks to define "perfection" is what gets added into the database of Existence. Right now, 8 billion representatives of genus Homo are defining "perfection" on a daily basis. *"When we say something is perfect, what do we mean"* ... Again, this is determined based on the input of everyone who seeks to define "perfection." A logical answer is something that is deemed "flawless." Van Gogh's "The Stary Night" is considered "perfect" and "without flaws" ... even though it appears flawed and loosely painted. I have a Green-wing Macaw that I consider "perfect." A pitcher who throws a "perfect game" doesn't allow a single batter to reach a base during the game. Roll twelve strikes in a row in bowling and you have yourself another "perfect game." I have a proof, high-relief Morgan Dollar from the 1800's to which its condition is deemed "perfect." (i.e., no higher assessment can be rendered). All of these are individual assessment of "perfection" that Existence categorizes within a spectrum. *"If the world is populated with only trees, no animals, would the earth still be perfect WITHOUT human questioning?"* ... No. There's no logical way the world could ever be deemed "perfect" without a single objective consciousness that is able to assess that type of value. Again, self-aware Humans came up with the construct. ... Not nature, plants, or animals.

No, God is not perfect. God would have to be greater and beyond perfect for anything to ever have the potiential to be perfect. Whatever is perfect is still below God. God is more than perfect; or nothing perfect could be perfect or even seen as perfect. What even allows you to see 'perfect', the very idea, or the diversity and subjection of that which is perceptible as what may be grasped as perfect. What's perfect other than a process of perfecting -- it's only seemingly perfect because you do not know what's greater than, and only by comparing it to what was prior to and at a lesser degree, although it doesn't necessarily mean it's incomplete, does it seem perfect. This reveals that for any such thing to be perfect, the source of this emanation would have to be greater than perfect itself. There's another variable: time. Although it takes years of engineering to fashion the best car for performance, the moment it's used does it become no longer perfect -- wears down. God is transcendent to time thus time has no negative effect. God is not matter although the essence of God is evident. God doesn't wear down, and God is not a proccess. This realm is imperfect because of corruption, illness and evil. But these are not the cause of this realm either... why these things are you'll have to do some serious study. Perfect is a process and God is transcendent and beyond all processes or perfection, therefor God is not perfect.

@xenphoton5833

2 жыл бұрын

...🎤drop

@kos-mos1127

2 жыл бұрын

Time is not a thing that can be transcended otherwise. The Cosmos is a short hand for All That Can Be. When talking about the Cosmos you are talking about All That Can Be. At best people can take a sample size of the Cosmos and try to determine its features. The Cosmos includes as her features all of space and all of time. Space is a collection of objects and events within the boundless 3-Dimensional Extent in which all objects and events have their relative positions. Time is the progression of events from past to future measured by the observer. Modern Physics does not have the Cosmos evolve in time. Time is measured are the duration between two events. There is no universal time. Universal time can be transcended. Relative time cannot be transcended because the time is coming from a read out of ones internal clock. The Cosmos does not have an internal clock.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

You do not understand - these are Master/Slave religions - God will GIVE them a life of ease & comfort for eternity - of course He is perfect Like asking supporters of Putin, Hitler whether they are perfect Like asking prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/parasites whether the rich Sugar Daddy they are sponging off of, is perfect What answer would you expect?

No. I'm not.😉

God is not perfect. God is effectively a child. He has not lived a significant percentage of his expected (near-infinite) lifespan to be considered past adolescence at this time. He is also not omniscient. He knows all that can be known but the future is unknowable. He created us in order to learn from us. We are his teachers and his subjects, his creation and his creators; his children and his parents.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

What is amazing is that these primitive ideas of God work against even the best of minds When I see God all I am seeing is another Putin, a Kim Jong-un "Believe in me, Support me & I will reward you. If you do not, you will suffer" Amazing that the very same people who call Putin and his supporters pure scum but when the name is changed to God, suddenly become willing Scum themselves, ready to heap abuse on unbelievers! It is that easy & that is really frightening!

I find it comical that man would try to answer that impossible question. God's ways are higher than mans. Study the Bible in the origional languages (Hebrew/ Greek) and you will discover it to be mathematically impossible for Jesus to fulfill the prophecies without being a deity. It's real folks folks, I'd bet my very life on it.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

Master/Slave religions - of course Master is perfect

torej tudi vi veste da sem zaprta,da nisem odprta..da veste vse to..da zellim svobodo..sramota za njega

yeah, something that doesnt exist doesnt have failures, so yes.

@xenphoton5833

2 жыл бұрын

Exist

This is a pseudo-intellectual word salad. If god knew everything, and then created specific circumstances in which a creature’s behavior is determined by those circumstances, then there is no free will. It would not be possible. That simply contradicts the concept of ‘free will.’

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Apologists want it both ways. We choose to be evil and yet Yahweh had it all planned from the start. He even wrote the Book of Life, where the names of the Saved were written before the pillars of the world were made.

@RT710.

2 жыл бұрын

@@OJPrime the way you just described is EXACTLY analogous to god knowing that the person was tired… if god knows the decisions that his creations will make, and he makes his creations that way, where is the choice??? Even if we somehow suppose that his creations made those decisions by their own free will, surely by being made by god they had no choice but to react to the situation he put them in. This simply is not a coherent idea and is quite frankly ridiculous and emotionally motivated…

Of course God isn't perfect, the bible says God creates both good AND evil that proves all on its own God is not perfect.

Ugh- I really want to keep loving these, but Kuhn's support for a genocidal government really turns me off.

*It’s obvious; he isn’t. Sadists aren’t perfect.*

By what standard is anything called perfect and who sets that standard? God sets the standard. Would anyone even recognize perfection if we saw it? How would we know? If everyone sets their own standard then there is no true standard because everyone would set it differently. Imagine if there was no standard for measurement. It would be chaos. God is the highest moral standard in heaven and Jesus Christ is the highest moral standard on earth. Father and Son! You won't find anyone more perfect.

@idrisarab5110

2 жыл бұрын

👍🌹❤🌹👍

@hecticnarcoleptic3160

2 жыл бұрын

I don't give a rat's behind about your imaginary friend's "standard". You didn't even prove that he exists...

"Is God Perfect?" Peter van Inwagen doesn't know. He is just fantasizing about his imaginary invisible friend. I can do that too. My imaginary magic friend is perfect, and blue, with pink spots on its imaginary buttocks. My imaginary friend is mega-omnicient, and can decree things too, and has ultra free will, with a little bit of apple sauce on the side. If that does not make sense to you, then consider it a mystery.

@xenphoton5833

2 жыл бұрын

I like blueberries but applesauce sucks

Of course god is perfect. He was made in my image. And I do know everything but I'm not telling. I'll just have fun watching you mortals find out things the hard way

@LeonardPC272

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

We created the ideas of evil and our universe is temporal. The world God and our untethered souls live in has no space-time and all space-time. God is perfect in Love and in Humility. No need exists for our worship. The spiritual task in this life is to emulate God in that love and humility. We do this for our own good and happiness - not for God's.

So if God can't know the what one of his creations is going to choose, because there is no truth to such a choice, then he cannot be omnibenevolent as he has knowingly created beings who could choose to murder innocent children.

Step One: lets have a simple proof that a god exists THEN we can have a discussion of its attributes. All the theories of god and its attributes is human speculation and fantasy of what that person thinks his flavor of a god has.... If there is a "Perfect" being who created everything it has a lot of explaining to do because this god would be "perfectly" incompetent.

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

I'd settle for evidence supporting any supernatural claim made by any religion. Still waiting.

@xenphoton5833

2 жыл бұрын

@@con.troller4183 supernatural

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

@@xenphoton5833 giraffe

@ministryofarguments3525

2 жыл бұрын

The simple fact is that theism has never ever met a God. They've created the belief that there is a God and it is baseless in reality.

Here is another problem with Christian's version of perfect concept of 'god'. If Christian's 'god' created mankind with forgetfulness and fallible in their nature, how in the World such 'god' would expect perfection from mankind, when it was not found from the day one when Adam and Eve were created? Thank God for Islam, Islam makes sense to those who are thinking.

@TurinTuramber

2 жыл бұрын

Sure. God is as real as Mermaids and Leprechauns.

@gregswanson5069

2 жыл бұрын

@@TurinTuramber You forgot Unicorns.

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

2 жыл бұрын

*"... how in the World such 'god' would expect perfection from mankind, when it was not found from the day one when Adam and Eve were created?"* Matthew 5-48: _"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."_ This is a mandate set by Christ. This s no different than a football coach saying, _"I want every play we run today to be executed perfectly!"_ to his players. The team won't be able to perfectly execute every play, ... but at least the bar has been set. BTW: I am not a theist.

@xenphoton5833

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Would you then say Allah is responsible for creating mankind with forgetfulness and available nature? And I don't know of God requiring mankind to be perfect, and have not heard of this existence mandated to be so, can you give an example? In Islam is Allah considered to be perfect?

@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC

2 жыл бұрын

@@xenphoton5833 *"And I don't know of God requiring mankind to be perfect, and have not heard of this existence mandated to be so, can you give an example?"* ... I already did in my previous comment. I directly quoted Matthew 5-48 from the King James Bible. *"In Islam is Allah considered to be perfect?"* ... I am not a theist, so I couldn't say either way. My suspicion is that Allah is deemed perfect.

Absolute word salad to explain a persistent mind virus.

Trust me see guys are talking GOD is bizzare . He baseless minds are upon GOD definitive principles. He shows GOD is his pawn. He Not knows GOD atribuites as he is ignorat, cinisn . In my heart only ways to figure out GOD are honest minds . So he doesnt.

@xenphoton5833

2 жыл бұрын

He is trying

@ministryofarguments3525

2 жыл бұрын

They've created the belief that there is a God and it is baseless in reality. It takes a dishonest mind to believe that theism is being honest when they have never ever met a God.