Oops, another NRA plug. :-) I forgot that a Bud's Gun Shop gun video or two might be old enough to have the plug. Again, we're not at all enemies of the NRA, so it's not a big deal. I want the NRA to grow and get better; John and I are simply not going to accept the NRA or any other gun rights group as a sponsor in the future.

@Art-st1qv

4 жыл бұрын

hickok45 Completely understandable ...still love your videos, and enjoy watching them each time you upload a new one

@alexandertorres1039

4 жыл бұрын

A beauty

@maxcady645

4 жыл бұрын

Yes sir

@I_leave_mean_comments

4 жыл бұрын

wut? I literally don't understand this comment. I am the only one who thinks the first sentence doesn't make sense? I don't get what you're trying to say.

@kurttanner5855

4 жыл бұрын

I don't want to be their enemy, but they sold us out.. 😕

I hear the originals are slamfire maybe that’s why they were considered faster than the levers

@Shadow0fd3ath24

4 жыл бұрын

Yep thats exactly why. Same for Ithaca 37s being considered faster than most anything else

@robertayoder2063

4 жыл бұрын

@@Shadow0fd3ath24 I doubt it cause it has short stroke

@prestonsamson3674

4 жыл бұрын

Roberta Yoder slam fire mitigates the slight of a second o extra time you would have without slam fire. Same reason people fan the hammers and hold the triggers of single action revolvers.

@Shadow0fd3ath24

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertayoder2063 stroke has almost nothing to do with anything when going against an auto that cycles automatically. Also between my henry pump and lever the lever has a slightly shorter bolt throw and the center point of the lever at the trigger gaurd moves less than the pump does by 0.14"

@tylermccune7092

4 жыл бұрын

It wouldn’t surprise me at all with the age of them

"Let's just see if I can hit anything with it.." *aimbots entire gun range*

@RandomGuy0127

5 ай бұрын

"What the heck! He's cheating!!! /Kick Xxhickock45xX"

I would say that first shooting with Lightning gun was faster and more accurate than shooting with lever gun, I watched it severeal times ...

@kentchr76

3 жыл бұрын

That’s my opinion too. The lever action moved quite a bit more between shots than the pump did.

@edwardcollier5949

2 жыл бұрын

Also it was better from the prone position

@brandonfoley7519

2 жыл бұрын

Now imagine if you could slam fire it

Always wanted to own property and set up targets to shoot all day.

4 жыл бұрын

i purchased some land and set a range up it is alot of work, I enjoy it and hope you get a chance to do the same.

@moistexistence3090

4 жыл бұрын

David trimble thanks man that would be the rest of my life just shooting guns at steel. Nothing wrong with that. Have fun with your range.

@Chris-yy5pj

4 жыл бұрын

Living in Nevada I plan to do that when I retire. Hopefully guns will still be around then.

@Thoroughly_Wet

4 жыл бұрын

This should be the land of oprotunity so take the oprotunity to start working for that goal dude

@Loveduhmusic

4 жыл бұрын

I feel ya man.

I compete with a Pedersoli version, and I love it. You are correct, it is finicky with ammo. I’m using cowboy loads using Lee 255 grain bullets cast in my back yard, using Trail Boss powder and Winchester large pistol primers. Seat the bullet down to the crimp groove and you’re golden. Powder coat my bullets a matte grey. Lots of great information in your videos, keep ‘em coming 👍🏻

The lightning from what I've heard is kinda fragile for competition. It was suggested that you would need three to compete, one to use, one in reserve for when that breaks, and one at the Smith being fixed

The pump don't aggravate my arthritis hand vs. the lever action. 👍

@JohnKickboxing

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, anyone knows why the army doesn't use the pump or lever action rifles for snipers; its accuracy is not decent enough, is it ❓❓

@Silverado-nw2lj

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnKickboxing bolt actions are very simple and reliable

@mattc5647

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnKickboxing levers and pumps cant use spitzer ammo (pointed bullets). They also have weaker actions that cant handle the pressure of "Sniper" rounds (338 Lap Mag, .300 Win Mag). Lastly they are inherently a lot less accurate because they dont have free floating barrels.

I have owned a .45lc Ped Lightning for 7 years(I got mine for a touch over $1000 at cabellas) and after experimenting with the ammo for a while when I first got it, I have come to absolutely love it. The loading Gate was very tight when it was new, but it loads fairly easy now. I had a bigger problem of the elevator not pushing the cartridge up properly at first, it is very picky on the ammo it likes. I shoot HSM Cowboy Action 250 grain in mine. I don't do any competitive shooting with it, but I do shoot it semi regular at the house, and use it in Deer season as my free gun walking to and from my stand.

I've been praying for this review, thank you 👍 excellent shooting.

I own one of those in .45LC and I love it!

@Shazamg6

4 жыл бұрын

Will jacketed rounds work in yours?

wood grain on that pedersoli is beautiful

I have the now discontinued Taurus thunderbolt c45 which is their version of the lightning. It's an awesome shooter. It holds 14+1

I've always been interested in these rifles. When I was a kid, our banker had one, an old genuine Colt, under glass in the bank. A used Pedersoli, or Uberti was for sale at a local gunshop, 950$ i thinks, but it had a great big scratch on the forearm. Thanks for the vid Hickok, John.

That’s a very pretty rifle. Love the octagon barrel rifles of days gone by.

Hello Hickok45 - I live in California and have one of these Colt Lightning replicas (medium frame), made by Uberti in Italy and also chambered in .45 Colt. It’s a sweet shooter for sure! And yes, loading the rifle is a point of contention for me as well. I have an idea for making a simple loading tool out of hardwood that will help. After fabricating it and if I find that it works well, I’ll make one for you and send it along. Meanwhile, here’s one problem I had with my rifle: the magazine plug’s retaining screw at the end of the barrel worked itself loose one day when I was shooting at the range and the spring suddenly popped out and launched itself and the plug out the end and traveled about 10 yards or so beyond the firing line. After finding all the pieces and putting them back into place, I vowed from that day forward to frequently check that screw to make sure it is tight. Interestingly, the San Francisco Police Department bought 400 of these rifles when Colt was still making them, presumably because they were rapid firing. Thanks for the great video on this fine rifle! Much appreciated.

This rifle is awesome! It's one of my favorites!

Adding a Hi from Canada My son and I love watching your videos, you are so smooth talking, and very huge Please don’t stop as long as you can

I had the opportunity to visit Bud's Gun Shop last week. What a really nifty experience to visit a truly friendly and quality gun shop. I was disappointed not to see any of your "stuff" there. It was truly worth the trip to visit Bud's!

Mark 24.28 Whitetail walking right to left , 12 : 00 high just north of the gong

@bastid.1662

4 жыл бұрын

Your sir are a pretty good observer.

I had Taurus’s version of this, the Thunderbolt. it was a great shooter and did slam fire as you pumped. That was fast shooting. I found it easy to load as well.

I've always like this concept It's like a lever action but without the big "flaws"

For a gun designed more then 135 years ago ..... still impressive and a REAL beauty of a remake. Colt & Henry were far ahead of their time in the refinements, every one I have had the pleasure to shoot seem more modern in how they handle.

Ótimo vídeo Sr Hickoc, PARABÉNS.

OOOOH I was hoping you would have this one. Yay! Thanks for the upload.

A pump action rifle with a octagonal barrel??? Ok, now i know what i want for Christmas. Great video as always, hickok. Keep them coming :)

Love it! Nice pump action rifle, I love your videos I learn a lot watching it. Thanks!!

i was hoping to see the peacemaker do its thing.great work love your stuff

Pedersoli and the other Italian gun makers are bringing us great reproductions of old firearms, they are doing a good service!

Love it! I have a Remington model 12c. .22 that's a blast to shoot. l always wanted one in a bigger caliber.

@michaelbrooker1433

4 жыл бұрын

The Colt Lightning in .22 Long is a beautiful rifle, as is your 12c. The Colt .22 has a tapered octagonal barrel and is quite elegant.

@kw9849

4 жыл бұрын

My Remington Model 12C is easily my favourite .22, it's a terrific rifle. 94 years old, and it still outshoots most of my modern .22's.

@michaelbrooker1433

4 жыл бұрын

@@kw9849 Mine is very tired looking but shoots well with the relined barrel. There wasn't much rifling left in it.

I have a Uberti (Italy) Lightening imported by Stoegar in .357 with a 20 inch barrel. Beautifully blued with nicely figured walnut very similar to yours just downsized. No issues chambering different type of rounds. I tend to keep this pump shouldered and on target versus my tendency to drop a lever action when operating. Just my poor technique with a lever action. Holy mackeral their price has jumped since I acquired it 20 years ago. Thanks for another great demonstration!

Appreciate y’all from Texas

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Hello Hickock45! Mr. Holmes here . As always I like your videos compounded with your southern sense of humour. I own one of these rifles in 44-40 . I can say at first the loading gate is a little stiff but it get loosens over time. What I do is push the last round in with my pinky finger. I find 44-40 actually works better because it's a tapered case , which I find makes loading easy. I know I have to add a heavy crimp to my 44-40 when reloading for this gun. I have shot the Puma and the Uberti version and they both had jamming issues. Pedersoli In my view is the best reproduction next to USSF. You will see two frames screws on the right side that support the elevator. The originals only had one, and I suspect this was the cause behind the jamming issue . Pedersoli added and extra one to support the elevator for that reason. You can slam fire the originals because they don't have the rack release, unlike the Pedersoli which is a safety feature.

Beautiful gun and Great review I enjoy your videos keep up the good work !

Good day John, Many thanks for a great video and sharing it with us, a best regards from faraway land on Down Under.

I purchased a Uberti made model in 45LC and they are great fun to shoot. Uberti receivers are color case hardened. They are very different to obtain because Uberti and Pedersoli make very few copies compared to the Winchester 73. One could wait a whole year to get one.

Never knew there was a pump action rifle. Thanks for the education, Hickok.

@frankwrogg2515

4 жыл бұрын

Remington makes some also in 30-06 and other calibers

I have been subscribed to your channel for years. This however is the first time I've seen this video about the Pedersoli Lightning Rifle. I have a Taurus thunderbolt, and I do use it in matches and for me it is a lot faster than my 1873 Winchester. It is true that they can be finicky and there's a rhythm to working the pump that when you get it down, it tends to be very reliable. The Taurus thunderbolt, is about the third of the price of the Pedersoli version, and the Taurus Thunderbolt has had a few more complaints than the higher priced clones. Some however like mine haven't had a lick of trouble and all the matches I've ever used it and has become my first choice that I use in all my matches. The Taurus version has been discontinued for several years and I believe the Pedersoli version is the only one left available to purchase.

Interesting! Pump action rifles are great.....did you ever hear of a pump action .357 magnum carbine imported from Israel- probably in the late 1980s or early '90s......was called the Timberwolf as I recall.

@SimonKHoak-ec6cc

7 ай бұрын

Yes , that was the I.M.I Timberwolf .357 magnum carbine , imported by Atlantic Firearms , l believe . It was around for a number of years in the 80's or so , and than disappeared . I've never seen one except on video . I've heard they were good guns . If you could find one around today they're worth a fortune . It's to bad good ideas like pistol cartridge carbines in pump action aren't given a better chance by the gun manufacturers , and the shooting public .

It sure is pretty, but I think I'll stick with my lever rifles. Thanks for all your hard work Mr Hickok 45 Sir and John!!!

Beautiful rifle.. Thx for the awesome review

Beautiful gun. Thanks for the video, Hicock. Gotta watch out for all those criminals using beautiful antiques with just over ten round capacities.

I have the 26” premium version chambered in .357. I love the gun but loading it is a pain. It’s got beautiful bluing and wood grain, but also been a lemon. I’ve had a broken fire pin and a random broken side plate screw. However, Pedersoli has been very accommodating and provided broken parts free of charge!

Bought a Taurus version of the colt lightning about 6 years ago. All stainless steel. 45 LC. Not quite as smooth as some lever actions that I have, but a fun and unique plinker.

I'm really glad you ran this gun. I love pump shotguns to hunt with. I feel like I can get back on target with it faster than an auto, but I have always wondered about the really short stroke on the Lightening. This sort of answered my question. Plus, the loading issue is a big problem. I'm not likely to be walking through the woods with one of these, but it would sure be a problem trying to reload that thing verses a lever gun. It's hard to beat John Browning. Besides, John Wayne used a Model 92.

I once wanted to get into Cowboy Action Shooting so I bought the appropriate guns. I love the old guns but I realized that I am never going to be fast enough with a levergun or a single action revolver, (most of my shooting is with a 1911 or CZ-75), but it is still great fun to watch. I did find out that I am much slower with a lever than a pump, but then, I grew up shooting a Winchester Model 67, so the pump is very natural to me. "A man's got to know his limitations".

Pedersoli makes such beautiful and elegant weapons! 😍

If anyone could get a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range, Hickok could.

@kurttanner5855

4 жыл бұрын

Lol.. Funny as balls.... I didn't think anyone would get that! 👍

@1701-E

4 жыл бұрын

I get it the watts laser rifle fallout and ad victoriam

@JWsGarage

4 жыл бұрын

40W? awe come on someone already built one in 200W it’s on utube

@herbertarriola9564

4 жыл бұрын

“Just what you see, Pal.”

@josephreisinger33

4 жыл бұрын

Remember, you got-2 say that like Arnold like you're from Bavaria..... LOL

Awesome rifle. I own one in 45 Colt also. My only negative is the blowback in your face you tend to get in this caliber. Being a straight wall cartridge it tends to do that. The 44-40 caliber does not. Absolutely love it enough to overlook the issue. Shoot it enough, you develop a rhythm with it. 🤙🏻🤙🏻

I appreciate seeing this Pedersoli pump! Cycling speed never was particularly important to me. Ease of loading is another matter.

They made these in a 32 caliber back in the day too. I found some ammo for one when we were cleaning my grandparents house out.

sure do love the old west rifles so beautiful

Nice video 45, I remember a long time ago when I was a kid when the carnival would come to town and they would have a real shooting gallery using pump action, tube fed .22's with real .22 ammo and that was in California !

Nice camera work John you could see the bullet drop and low

@robertwagner2363

4 жыл бұрын

Is that the camera speed or large cal. Slow boat to..

Any plans to do a video on the Remington pump actions? Maybe an older model 14 or even a 760?

@yankeesfan1985

2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see that as well

Thank you sir for this video. Ive been straddling the fence on purchasing one of these. Looks like it moved way up the list today. And It will look good beside the Cowboys. Too bad it doesnt come in 44 mag.

I love it, finally you got one. I own it but it has a problem cocking the hammer

It's the rifle U shoot on Sunday & load all week!

@LewisSkeeter

4 жыл бұрын

I like it.

@jdzencelowcz

4 жыл бұрын

@@LewisSkeeter I don't dislike it, but that loading gate is a bit of a weak point

@LewisSkeeter

4 жыл бұрын

@@jdzencelowcz No, I meant I liked your comment. :)

@steelgila

4 жыл бұрын

@@jdzencelowcz Probably most new gun actions (manual actions, I mean) have a break in period after so many hundreds of rounds later loading gates and cycling gets a lot easier I'd expect.

Used to have a little pump action puma is a joy to shoot and fast once you've had a little time with it!

I’ve never shot the Colt Lightning, but I used to own a Remington 760 Gamemaster, in .30-06. It was my primary hunting rifle back in the 1960’s and early 70’s. It was better than my Winchester.30-30, when hunting deer in South Texas, that was until I got my first model 700, Remington in .308. I do like the looks of the Colt Lightning by Pedersoli, especially the octagon barrel.

You shot the pump faster.

hickok love you man

Very good..Hichck !!!

love these videos

12:00 it's so cool how you can see the rounds in the air! I wonder if by using the framerate of the camera you could determine the velocity?

Hey Hickok! Any chance we could get a live stream on your channel? Out of all KZreadrs, I'd be so excited to see one here. Think about it!

Again an amazing lightning stick

I like the closeups of the gong when your shooting a big heavy slow caliber. You can see the bullet dropping in to hit it. Man do some of them fall out of the air about the eighty yard line.

I'd love to see a video on the Mateba AutoRevolver. It's a pretty strange handgun.

Great video H45. It seems to me if a gun is going to cost that much, it should take every kind of ammo right out of the box.

Love your videos !

Love that. Wish I could afford one. Please review the Remington 572 pump 22. Way more affordable.....

It would be a great gun if they had a dual loading tube, that way you could release the spring pressure when loading, good video... cheers!!!

My 1873 lever gun (navy arms) in 44-40 does not like some jacketed HP ammo but loves my cast round nose flat point ammo.

man i love your range i hope one day to have a property similar to it but now the gun if it wasnt so costly i would buy one myself i like it

I have one of these. Have not shot it enough to call it broken in. But it is one slick machine for something different

Love this channel but not over priced !

My gawd, that's a fine rifle.

that is a nice rifle never seen that rifle at my local gun shop

I love watching you shoot guns that i could never afford lol

Oh man that is a sweet looking rifle

I've always liked the lightning because its beautiful and different.

Still the best on KZread and the Internet love ya guys keep up the great videos thank you for being a pro 2nd Amendment American

That is some gorgeous wood!

Your arms are so long that it doesn’t right haha. I think if the pump action was farther down the barrel it would be faster. This is the first time I have seen this rifle and I love it. You are an ole pro with a lever gun! Thanks for the video!

I've got an original Lightning in 44.40...Serial number puts it built in 1892..Round barrel though

@jeramyw

4 жыл бұрын

Is it slam fire capable?

@rigbymauser

4 жыл бұрын

@@jeramyw All my original Colt Lightnings could easely be slamfired. Hold hold the trigger back and start pumping. Btw I found them easy to load.

@jeramyw

4 жыл бұрын

@@rigbymauser Awesome. I'm sure all the originals in good condition are broken in and smoothed out. If I ever get one, 38-40 would be my choice.

@rilianriggs4620

4 жыл бұрын

@@jeramyw I've never fired mine, I inherited it from my Grandad..It's in great shape, I'm sure it would work fine. I'd like to find some low power smokeless rounds I could run through it.

@jeramyw

4 жыл бұрын

@@rilianriggs4620 Have you checked the chamber and rifling? Really old guns tend to be shot out. Have a gunsmith check everything out before doing anything with it. Smokeless powder "can" be used, but is usually not recommended. The pressure spike is usually too much. www.buffaloarms.com/44-40-winchester-200-grain-rnfp-black-powder-ammo-box-of-50-amobp4440 Here's what I would use. If it's truly in great shape, I'd keep it as a wall hanger and shoot it maybe once a year or so to keep it as pristine as possible. Especially since it's an heirloom.

Good to see this in your hands! I was one of the people suggesting this. I have two originals, one in 32-20 and one in .22 Long. They were close to Pedersoli's price, I wouldn't mind having a Pedersoli in 44-40. The .22 I have is a thing of beauty, a bit more refined looking than the Winchester 1890s, having a tapered octagonal barrel. The Winchesters are a better design though, simpler and more robust, the Colts are more complex. They are better in the original calibers, 44-40 and 38-40, reports are that they are more problematic in .45, I don't think they were originally offered in .45.

@dcrog69

4 жыл бұрын

I have an old Marlin lever in 38-40 that was my father's. It's an absolute joy to shoot. I've always wanted to get a revolver chambered in the same caliber.

@yearzero974

4 жыл бұрын

@@dcrog69 I recently bought an older Uberti SAA in that caliber. The date code is under the ejector housing and I've not had it off yet bet the gun has serial numbers on the frame, trigger guard, bottom of the back strap, cylinder, and loading port, as did the original Colts. It was bought used off of GB, price wasn't bad. They are out there. I'm sure you will be keeping your dad's Marlin!

Since you did this one, you should do a video including the Remington pump action rifles. I have a .308, but they're out there in 30-06 (wish I had one) and .223. Mine is a 7600 P. It has a non-rusting finish on the barrel, and comes with one lousy four-round magazine. But they were also made in 223. I inherited this from my younger brother. I believe that this rifle was designed to closely resemble an 870 (the shotgun commonly issued to police officers), as that's the action they were used to.

Pedersoli makes pretty decent repros from what I've heard. I got a musket from them and I'm satisfied.

You may be sceptical but I really think you shot the Colt more effectively than the Winchester

@steveh7108

2 жыл бұрын

He absolutely shot faster with the pump action than he did the lever action. Even though he used to compete with a lever action he was still quicker with the pump. Why he denies a difference I do not know🤔

Great vid, always enjoy. The ammo includes your reloads in 45LC. What powder did you use for the reload? (I assume the bullet was 225 grain like the factory ammo. )

Awesome pump rifle !!!!!! I would buy one if i had the money to blow. Thanks for showing this firearm Hickok45

RNFP is generally the only thing that will make the turn into the magazine on a lightning Navy Arms makes a Deluxe Lightning in color case hardening... I think built by petersoli. Mine shoots well, but I get some gas puffing past the sides of the cases.

It’s a shame this never caught on. I imagine if pump tech had as much development as lever did in the early days, we may have never had lever guns. Pumps are also easier to shoot while prone/in cover. Hell, maybe even reduced the ubiquity of bolt guns in the early 20th century.

I love to see if you could do video on the .451 whitworth.. Pedersoli also produces it... thank Hickok

Just picked up a beretta gold rush in 357 mag. Never seen one in person and when I found it had to have it!

Can you review the EAA witness 10mm?

Gorgeous!

Hickok45 and John say round here we aren’t used to short stroking