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PD Simplified : Spoked Wheels vs Alloy Wheels
Spoked wheels or alloy wheels? Is one really better than the other? That depends on what you ask of them. Almost all modern sports bikes have alloys while the offroaders have spoked wheels. Here's Shumi simplifying the wheels.
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Hey #PDArmy, which wheels do you like - spoked or alloys? Tell us below. If you loved this and want to see more, give the video a thumbs up and subscribe to the channel if you haven't already.
@rajdeepguin4113
3 жыл бұрын
Can you please make a video on headlight modification on RE motorcycles, coz nowadays we see a lot of RE Classics with aftermarket LED headlight units, is it legal on Indian roads?
@Nightrounds
3 жыл бұрын
What is imu
@nandusajeev3249
3 жыл бұрын
I once heard someone say that a spoked wheel can be sealed with some kind of sealant and tape such that tubeless tires can be used ... Is this true ?
@bakaitrider2527
3 жыл бұрын
@@nandusajeev3249 yes check way2speed tubeless kit. There is one more Japanese import i am missing the name.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
@KZread LOOK technically yes. But 99% no one will question you on this
When Shumi speaks I shut up and listen! Request for next video: How do different kinds of Chassis designs and materials used to make them affect the handling and overall strength of a motorcycle.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
V difficult to directly connect frame types to handling feel in today’s bikes. Tech allows us to do wonderful things now
@udayrajiitb
3 жыл бұрын
@@shu_mar ohhh I see. I keep hearing like: "this bike has trellis frame", "this bike has steel tubular fram" etc. But never really understood how these things affect the bike, hence I wondered if it could be covered by PD.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
@@udayrajiitb that I can do! They’re design choices which I can help explain
@udayrajiitb
3 жыл бұрын
@@shu_mar awesome! thanks a lot 🙂
@kshitijgenext
3 жыл бұрын
He can't hear you anyway even if you speak, Einstein
Requested Topic: Common things to check before buying a second hand Vehicle (car/bike)
@LonelyRacoon
3 жыл бұрын
I think they already made a video on that
@avipratapsingh1607
3 жыл бұрын
IMHO, spoked wheels are also better at absorbing shocks and impacts, as the spokes work under tension, and steel has a high tensile strength. Hence, spoked wheels would be more durable off-road. Tires being the big unsprung component on the bike, this should be a big consideration.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
@@avipratapsingh1607 you’re right on both counts but they’re not related directly. Strength/brittleness and tyre unsprung mass don’t direct talk to each other.
@gradientO
2 жыл бұрын
Fortnine did a good video on that
Alloy! I spoke first here!
@jeevangowda9000
3 жыл бұрын
Can u make a video on radial tyre..
@prabhakarbharadwaj9006
3 жыл бұрын
Alloy Mate!!! 😅 You missed out on the conversion kit scene that is gaining momentum in India....
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
@@prabhakarbharadwaj9006 Nope. Separate video for that. And the success rate seems to depend on who does the conversion 🤷🏽♂️
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
@@jeevangowda9000 can do!
@aksaicharan396
3 жыл бұрын
Is PD going to make the best of 300-400 cc bikes??
Lovely content and great delivery, as always 🙏🏻 There are automotive enthusiasts who love automobiles, but some of us are so crazy we love to understand the background, the way it all works and how the business is run. I too am such a crazy enthusiast who started my job in an automotive company and still would love to be there!
Loving this series, this is only place to get such much needed stuff.😍
PD now you are doing a commendable job by giving more info about different things about transportation in simple ways rather than just polished promotional videos, I was kinda tired of them.thanks
KZread recommended one of the videos from this series and I'm Absolutely Loving this series. Kudos to everyone.
Another great topic 👍 Based on my learning, the Strength to weight ratio and the durability are the top reasons for manufacturers to use spoke wheels for offroad. spoked wheels can take a lot of beating before it fails completely.
Mind-blowing video. Understood the whole concept in under 5 minutes. Such brevity is amazing
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah! Thank you!
Hey Schumi, another byte sized content, can you touch upon, conversions from spoked to tubeless for adv bikes, this is also common in re bikes (the conversion).
PD simplified suggestion: Throttle blipping - why it needs to be done. The science behind rev matching. Would be helpful for new riders. Keep doing what you're doing guys!
@ARodgers777
2 жыл бұрын
Yes !
Facts. I learned it the hard way when I had to replace an alloy wheel whìch breaks when I took my Apache 200 off road.
This has always been a point of argument in my group and we keep thrashing each other 😆.. shumi I have said this earlier and I am saying it now start a radio podcast. I'll be glad to hear you in my car stereo while in jam or on long drives.
absolutely Love this series!!
Good content as always. I’d love to see a Ryan F9 style review where cast and spoke wheels are actually tested to the limit. Right now, it looks like all of KZread is just saying things that we all know 😄 For me, I’d be happy to pay the premium and get spoked tubeless wheels for my Himalaya.
Expecting more regular content ....we love it
@powerdriftofficial
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Hari! We hear you. More coming up, soon. Stay tuned.
Great video as always. Can you guys do a video on wheel mods for cars and the differences between cast, flow form, forged etc?
As usual extremely well presented and well researched video. Congratulations. What are the best brands for alloy wheels in India ?
Always nice to watch shumi da
How can a guy tell so much valid points in a rather short span of time, is he a professor ? Professor shumi !!!!
SIR YOU ARE BRILLIANT,GENIOUS,KIND AND PROFOUD KNOWLEDGEABLE EXPERT IN BIKES TECH..SALUTE YOUR PASSIO AND INFORMATIONS
Forged > Cast, Spoke rims are forged, see what Shumi did there with his closing comment!
@ajitsingh5159
3 жыл бұрын
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Royal Enfield Classic 350 Chrome Red looks better with spoked wheels (IMO). However, for better practicality, do you recommend alloy wheels? (I do not intend to go hardcore off-roading)
Great video!!! Requested topic : Clutchless Upshifts and Downshifts.
Good one PD! let's go for the Cast Vs Forged wheels. Thanks
Awesome informative video..... Goes without saying.... Especially when sensei Shoomi is presenting...... A small suggestion, just like you are doing these simplified for bikes, also start doing for cars...... I am sure lot of viewers would love to see and learn from those videos......
Nice explanation and a good video as always. Cast Alloy wheels Vs Forged Alloy wheels please!!!
I love this series...
Really good video. kudos for choosing such subjects...
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
i stand for alloy wheels, they are of less hassle and less pain in the a*s. Spokes demand more maintenance such as time-to-time spoke tightening/reallingment and the biggest about alloys is that they are tubeless. So alloys are a better choice, less hassle,
Of course we love Shumi speaking!! One request, help us on Do's and Don'ts post car / bike submerged in water logging. My car and bike just went through this over this weekend. Have fixed my bike with the help of mechanic. Would like to hear it from you guys, so others can be benefited.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Can do!
@shrikantkangutkar
3 жыл бұрын
@@shu_marThank you so much and look forward to see this soon Sir!
Very well put. Some 15-20 yrs back why was this the other way around with alloy wheels options were at a premium over the wired wheels?
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Manufacturing technology - alloys, metallurgy as well as casting & forging tech.
Hey PD ! Could you do a video on soft and hard suspensions ? Which type suits better for pillion rider, luggage or terrain ?
The reason why dirt riders use spoked wheels because when they jump from bigger heights, the load is distributed evenly to all the spokes, when it comes to alloys, the load would fall on 2-3 alloy spoked (don't know what do we call them ) which has more chances to bend.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Not 100% accurate. Spokes have flex so they can survive impacts slightly better than alloys. Alloys are far stronger but big impacts can break them.
Cast alloy vs Forged alloy lesson from Shumi? Yes please... Any day..
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Noted!
Thank u pd I was waiting for this discussion
Please make a video on chain vs shaft on bikes.✌🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Good info here, requesting you to talk about different types of bike chassis
@powerdriftofficial
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the suggestion, Vaibhav!
Awesome content! ❤️
Great video shumi 😍. Please make a video on cast alloy vs forged alloy.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Sir yes sir!
That's why my Xpulse has spoked wheels.....and already within last 6 months, once my tube has punctured and had to replace the complete tube with a new one as the leakage points were too much and patch work would have been costlier.
Do cast alloys Vs forged alloy wheels
Hey shumi! Please make a comparison between dry battery and wet battery, and which one of these is good for our bikes 😀
IMO, preference of spoked wheels for off-road is not only because of replacing individual part but the main reason is to avoid brittleness of Alloy wheels. Correct me if I am wrong. I like the narrative " cheerful old ladies tightening hubs and spokes..." :) . Requested topic: Right way of stopping the bike. I mean applying proper brakes, front or rear. it a can be a brief tutorial. Thanks
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
True! Spoke wheels have more give. So they’re easy to bend but mostly they can also bend back. Alloys are much stronger but once the threshold, they’re not elastic enough to bounce back.
What kind of locks for bikes would you suggest? Taking into account the practicality as well as the security. Loved the episode ❤️
Next video request: Countersteering! I want it to be explained by shumi because I don't understand the other videos on the internet
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Haha! Idea noted!
Tubeless conversion of spoked wheels using Outtex or way2? Pls discuss or shed some light on it.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Success rate varies widely - needs a good chap doing the application.
And I am still confused which one to get because I want the Classic 350 but adding alloys make it costlier than Meteor 350. I rode both, loved both for the slightly different feel and will be happy with either.
Content, as always, is crazy informative and useful! 10/10! But the thumbnail could have been better. Looked a bit messy.
2:45 My father had an accident, a truck while reversing rammed in to his motorcycle, he was lucky to escape with just few scratches on the body, while the alloy-wheels just broke off, and he was stranded there until the bike was towed to the nearest repairing shop.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
If a truck broke a wheel, it would break any wheel at all, so here neither would give you an advantage
Thanks for this. I've always wondered, what could be the difference between Steel Wheels and Alloy Wheels for cars! Could you please help out?
Nice comparison, is there a substantial cost diff between alloy and spoked wheels ?
Video 💡: Comparing different kinds of motorcycles. Super sport, sports naked, adventure, cafe racer, scrambler, etc.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Good idea!
Is it safe to make the spoke wheel tubeless by using the 3m option?
Sir please do tell us about the puncture fixing fluids that are used in tube tyres which are available nowadays.They cost around 1000-2000Rs .While their actual performance is debatable, the use of such fluids will it damage the tyre or the rims?.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
No damage. But at high speeds I can feel their presence and I don’t like it - I won’t use it.
Yes we want cast alloy vs forged alloy videos.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Got it!
Any suggestions as to any possibility of turning xpulse 200 to tubeless type or change to Alloy wheels. Which manufacturer can be relied upon if change to alloy wheels. Thanks.
Can someone please explain how good are those tubeless spoked wheels in BMWs , Triumphs compared to conventional Tubed spoke wheels - Considering both are used for hardcore offroading ?
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@powerdriftofficial
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ram!
Let's hear about Cast vs Forged in the next video😁😁😁
Can you explain about the use and feasibility of Outex tape for spoke wheels, for bikes like continental GT..?
How does cruise control work
Alloy wheels are more good looking than spokes ... But spokes are more tough and stronger which we can for offroading 👍 Nice content 👍👍❤️ Spokes come with tubes Alloys are tubeless so it is easy to make punctures
@kapilbhardwaj16
3 жыл бұрын
Their are many brands like ducati , bmw , ktm , triumph which offer spokes wheels with tubeless tyre.
@mohammadyaqoob746
3 жыл бұрын
Spokes are tougher? Spokes aren't made for aggressive riding style but for long cruses. I've seen the problem of the spokes getting bent in the GT650 after a mix of too much of offroad and highway pulls
@Aryanthakur-yt9bc
Жыл бұрын
@@mohammadyaqoob746 throw away your Enfield.
@mohammadyaqoob746
Жыл бұрын
@@Aryanthakur-yt9bc 😭🤣🤣
Simply explained thanks 😊
You could have included the concept of Forged alloy wheels too.. Anyway.. Lovely video as usual..!! 🤝🏻
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Simplified: one thing at a time 😊
You should have mentioned that spoke wheels have the ability to flex a little as opposed to allow wheels which have zero flex. Therefore spoke wheels will always be more comfortable for offroad and bad roads
@subhrajitpal1396
2 жыл бұрын
you are more likely to face punctures more often than rim bent or rim break
Most of us cannot afford to take the racing track course due to various reasons. Can you guys teach us few basic tips and tricks to ride safe and go fast at the same time ? 1) How to come out of corner? 2) How to brake for Non-ABS disc brakes? 3) Tips on when to change bike tyres by looking at it physically 4) What should be the riding position with and without pillion rider 5) At what rpm do we need to change gears ? 6) Bike chain lubrication 7) How to properly clean bike without affecting the electrical components. 8) After how many kilometres should we overhaul the main engine?
After suffering through few punctures and one tube valve break, I was long thinking of putting on tubeless Tyres for my Himalayan. Silly me! Thanks to this video, now I know it's not possible..
Finally most awaited video shumi decode most confusing topics. Finally my myths busted I was living under rock. 🥺🥺🥺😭😭😭
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
How effective can the Spoke wheels' tubeless conversion kits available in the market be? Outex Rim tapes and the Way2Speed Tubeless conversion kits for example. Are they worth the premium?
Hi Shumi!! and PD Team!! Are fork risers safe? was considering upping the front suspension by a couple of inches on my duke 250, hoping to explore some trails. TIA
Can pls explain what will different rim diameter makes a difference in the way bikes run. Ex : 21inchers on Off-road bikes and 16inchers on the rear where are most of the bikes get 17 inch on both ends.
Hey PD, can you do a vid on different engine types next
Spoked wheels are preferred for offroad conditions not only because they're easy to fix, but their flexibility is much needed in those terrains
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Yuss!
Requested Topic: Pros & Cons of Automatic cars over Manual transmission over 5 yrs and Top 5 automatic car under 10L in India.
Does formula x or similar type gels really solve the problems with spoke wheels?? if it's tubed?
Planning to buy the Interceptor @Shumi. Should I stick with the spoked wheels or get alloys? Also, If I stick with the spoked wheels, should I get those to be tubeless ready with sealant or stick with the tubed tyres? Please enlighten.
Can you do a video on taper roller bearing and ball bearings on the handle bar stem ? Thanks
Questions:-what significance of Chain lube, is it necessary for commuter bike? Is it specific time ot time of interval are there
Which is better alloys wheel or steel wheels for cars? There's no such video to explain clearly.
Hey schumi, Which is more stronger? Spokes or cast?
What is your opinion on converting a spoke wheel into a tubeless one with either an outex conversion kit or like a way 2 speed conversion kit.. Are there any issues in doing so?
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
No issues if chap doing application knows what’s what. My feedback channel says success rate is iffy - mostly down to chap doing the work
Can we change spokes to alloy wheel on an heavy ADV like RE Himalayan if it is mostly city ride on bad roads and weekend wander for adventure Please suggest and also how to guide
I would love to see the options we have for punctured tubeless and tubed wheels.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Infinite options. Just take a sharp object along 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
A video on Bike frame types please😁
in spoked rim forces are more distributed throughout spokes than alloys, so they are better for off roading
Great explanation..
are there any reliable tube technology for spoked wheel tyres, where a tyre when punctured can be repaired at a fairly convenient time like in tubeless tyres.
Really you are doing great job!!! 👍👍👍
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@shinchan2934
3 жыл бұрын
@@shu_mar ❤️
Talk about motorcycle seat comfort. Do they really affect the lower back & spine due to minute vibrations over a prolonged period of time? Do bum gets affect due to seating over a prolonged period of time, especially in pressure points? I know going over bad roads, patched roads, humps will affect our back. A topic which hardly anyone talks about. Unless someone has affected from it & stopped riding. Since I took the bike 3 years ago, I'm starting to have bubble in particular spots in bum, which comes regularly for 4 or 5 months. Untill that bubble pops, man it's painfull to sit. I even changed seat form, cover, shape, but it didn't work.
Sir, Can you discuss about pros and cons of spoke wheel with tubeless tyre which offered by some tyre shop. Thanks in advance.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
When done well, and it’s rare, conversions work well. But my feedback channel says success rate is poor because of bad technique in application
@arnabpalchowdhury826
3 жыл бұрын
@@shu_mar Thanks again
For the continental gt should I fit the alloys and switch over .. my rides are mostly highways and touring with less and sometimes non off road patches so What’s your opinion on that
Why there is no mods for Bike instrumental cluster??
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
As they grow more electronic, they become harder to mess with.
Wonderfully explained! Though the captions in the video are not well synced! Please resync the captions to the dialogue. Captions are moving a bit faster.
Seems like Shumi had his Uber waiting and PD told him to Shoot the video..
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
Uber? No no. My bike! 😝
Master sumi
You should have also talked about making spoke wheels puncture proof with a liquid comes in market these days.
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
I ignore those. At high speeds I can feel them and I don’t like the feel. I don’t recommend them.
@chaugulepankaj
3 жыл бұрын
@@shu_mar thanks for the reply. Can you explain what do you mean by you can feel them on high speed?
@chaugulepankaj
3 жыл бұрын
@@shu_mar I'm asking coz I prefer tubeless tyres. But I really like Hero xpulse 200, but the problem is it comes with tube tyres. I don't know what to do.
Hey guys.. Alloy wheels being a product of casting and thus can be mass produced more easliy, aren't they supposed to be cheaper than spoke wheels? , which seems to have a lot more process involved including manual work. Or is the material cost difference so high that it offsets the processing cost..?
Single channel vs dual channel abs...also explaining why there is diificulty in applying front abs brake in case of passing over a speed breaker or pothole
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
The “difficulty” isn’t ABS. it’s the impact pushing the pads off the pistons in the calliper. Unfortunately it’s more common than it should be.
@nishantdhonde7487
3 жыл бұрын
@@shu_mar got it. Thanks. What I have noticed is that when I try to brake the front wheel of my single channel abs Apache 160 4v as soon as I cross the speed breaker, I feel the brake lever vibrating which should be the abs kicking in. But the thing is is there is no play in the lever and also the bike doesn't seem to slow down. Is it also because that while I do this the front wheel would be off contact with ground and thus messing up the abs?
@shu_mar
3 жыл бұрын
@@nishantdhonde7487 that’s not ABS. ABS won’t “lock” the lever. Knocking pads off pistons will.