Linus last year: why paying for 4k video makes sense

@bobhanson1037

Жыл бұрын

Making people pay for 4k* makes sense. Not everyone wants it and rather have cheaper options ie youtube premium, I'd be fine if they capped it at 1080p if it was cheaper.

@GeoStreber

Жыл бұрын

yeah, he can have a few double standards every now and then. Remember "adblock=piracy" vs "here's how to use Pi-hole"?

@IdealIdeas100

Жыл бұрын

I knew I wasnt crazy, I immediately saw the video and was like "wut, wasnt he for paying for 4k earlier?"

@andrive

Жыл бұрын

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@jablue4329

Жыл бұрын

If this was a joke, it was a poor one.

I am watching this with 480p VSR to 1080p because of slow internet and can confirm that it really makes a huge difference to clarity. Edit: I am using 2 Mbit "LTE", because there is no other service available at my location.

@spacemanwithraygun3933

Жыл бұрын

I live deep in the woods far away from internet. Anything over 144p is wasted on me.

@MorbidOrangeCat

Жыл бұрын

@@spacemanwithraygun3933 Try to get the Starlink RV package. I now can stream 4k in the middle of nowhere if I desire. We don't even have a option for internet provider we're so isolated.

@obioraifeanyi3246

Жыл бұрын

@@MorbidOrangeCatit was sarcasm

@babahaze

Жыл бұрын

@@obioraifeanyi3246 nah he real

@toriless

Жыл бұрын

480 to even 720 is more significant than 720 to 2180.

Another scenario where this could have been tested is live sports streaming, that's usually 1080p and with it being a fast paced stream, it would have been interesting to compare the artifacts and the improvements of the upscale

@antnyneveruploads

Жыл бұрын

I've used it with KZread TV on my PC, and it works pretty well. I chose quality 3 because I thought I saw additional judder at quality 4 with 60fps content. It makes F1 races in 720p look great, if a bit airbrushed (especially on driver pictures). It did well with basketball, less so with hockey. Granted, I'm only using a 1440p monitor, but it's definitely enough of an improvement for me to prefer full screen instead of windowed now.

@rjsmith2007

Жыл бұрын

It works REALLY well on twitch streams. My only complaint is the fan noise.

@micsunday14

Жыл бұрын

I've done it with the F1 broadcast in my country. 1080 60fps. It looks slightly clearer. But my rtx 3070 was running at max wattage and load. Running very hot .

@animeloveer97

Жыл бұрын

@@rjsmith2007 mabey im just old but fan noise doesnt bother me at all i dont get it

@1981AdamGs

Жыл бұрын

It's not worth the extra power consumption in my opinion. I watched Formula 1 with it enabled and it made ever so slightly more crisp. But not much.

Tried it on my 3070, power consumption went from 24W to upto 130W. Definitely not worth to default to it, but might be handy occasionally. Thanks for the review!

@speedracer2please

Жыл бұрын

Did your fans go nuts too? My RTX 3070 drowns out the video on anything above quality 1

@a1white

Жыл бұрын

Great, so the money you save on not subscribing to Netflix 4K you'll pay in increased Electricity bill and get imperfect AI generated content instead.

@gheyvillan9638

Жыл бұрын

Yes agreed

@TurtlGnWld

Жыл бұрын

Ja true noticed that on my 4090 too, 35 watts without, 150-180 with it on is kinda meh, also thats at the threshold of the 50°c where my fans start to going on/off on/off lol Edit: really depends on what kind of content youre watching, tarkov stream uploaded to youtube which really looks like shit normally does rlly improve much but now my gpu draws 300watts which is just insane might as well play myself then lol.

@coherentpanda7115

Жыл бұрын

I have a 3070, and didn't see a noticeable difference in power consumption

I'm so glad you pointed out Netflix' playback is only 720p on chrome. I've argued about it with so many people, some with even a 4k plan and they had never realized that was the case.

@thegaminghydra592

Жыл бұрын

Yeah lmao it's so dumb. The majority of netflix users are watching on chrome and they're stuck on 720p. I dont know how it hasn't been changed yet.

@dave7474

Жыл бұрын

​@@thegaminghydra592 its an "anti piracy" measure. It'll never get better. Switch off chrome today and remind your friends

@EdgyShooter

Жыл бұрын

Or if you dare to have an Intel MacBook, can't watch higher than 720p at all!

@ArcusArmis19

Жыл бұрын

Ohhhhhh its locked to 720p that explains why it constantly looks so awful.

@Okamine

Жыл бұрын

I agree, netflix on my ipad looks much better than in mac and windows. How tf do i fix this shit?

The wobble is, and always was, there directly from the animation dept. A lot animated show from like '95-about '08ish have that as it was an animation technique to make unmoving objects in scenes have more variation shot-to-shot to make them not feel like a boring backdrop. It helps your brain blend the objects into a whole scene instead of having a blank wall that sticks out like a sore thumb and looks "too perfect".

@gamingbud926

Жыл бұрын

Interesting! Thank you for sharing

@wile123456

Жыл бұрын

True but not the simpsons. Its just deinterlacing artifact

@artbryanmoldon

Жыл бұрын

While your explanation is true, that doesn't mean the wobble isn't affected by the VSR, some of the scenes they are showing seems to have a wobble when it shouldn't have(can't confirm this so only a speculation) or does not look "natural"

@5Andysalive

Жыл бұрын

mhm so Anime just saves itself the effort to do that?

@edragyz8596

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah cool explanation, glad to know the temporal instability I despise is intended design!

It would have been nice if you also introduced Intel VP Super Resolution! That's still not officially released, yes, but it is available to those who are looking for it... Would like to see comparisons between the two in the coming days

Thanks, I've been rewatching some of my favorite old anime and I'm finding a lot of them in 720p or below. I look forward to trying out the Rtx video enhancement.

I wish Nvidia would show the 20 series cards some love with these kinds of updates. They're still perfectly capable cards that can easily benefit from these. Planned obsolescence at it's best.

@olyllq_6588

Жыл бұрын

20 series was trash even at launch.

@mflare600

Жыл бұрын

@@olyllq_6588 Well I kind of agree, but the USB-C output on the GPU is a Godsend. And the fact that they drop is is bullshit

@BigCleverName

Жыл бұрын

@@olyllq_6588 Even with that in mind, they are very much capable of VSR as they have the AI cores like the cards after them

@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI

Жыл бұрын

Nvidia doesn't give a s*** about their customers. They want you to pay and I'm going to like for a freaking stupid graphics card that does Ray tracing even though half the damn games out there don't even f****** have Ray tracing

@ProudVermin

Жыл бұрын

:Laughs in 1070:

Good job for acknowledging the power consumption. Every other channel didn't even mention it.

@wuroiz8848

Жыл бұрын

@@Z3t487 ok, nerd

@HHalcyon

Жыл бұрын

@@Z3t487 There is no invisible dislike in KZread. I still use KZread with like/dislike counter because fuck KZread.

@Varangian_af_Scaniae

Жыл бұрын

@@Z3t487 Acknowledging the power draw vs clickbait=no up or down vote.

@Varangian_af_Scaniae

Жыл бұрын

@@wuroiz8848 Using the word nerd in 2023 as an insult? Hi Grandpa!

@ABaumstumpf

Жыл бұрын

Yeah - it should be mentioned. Even if it is just a bug that very likely will be fixed within a couple of days. They also reported the power problem the Rx 7900XTX had.

Video upscaling is such an exciting technology, we are already seeing in the last few years old movies get 4K remasters, with how AI and upscaling techs are going right now just imagine what could be done in a few years. The fact that they can do this in real time is insane but also just imagine what could be done with a proper encode. I wonder if this sort of tech could also be used backwards for video compression. With the adoption of 4K, better video compression is in high demand.

@jameswatson5807

Жыл бұрын

There was no point in 1080p remasters let alone 4k remaster.

I have a 4k TV as a second monitor so I'm quite interested in using this from time to time, although I can stream in 4k for most things anyway, having this to fill in the gaps will be very nice

20 series support isn't only possible, it is promised, as per a Nvidia FAQ: "Turing support is coming in the future. We’re not ready to put a timeframe for when the Turing engineering work will be completed, but will provide an update when a future driver adds support for Turing generation GPUs."

@Mysinismikako

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, I was about to hit my 2060 in the face

@dogtrollololl

Жыл бұрын

yeah it uses tensior cores so hardware is there

@teanam6496

Жыл бұрын

Knowing NVidia/Companies, in half a year, they're going to say "Sorry, it didn't work as we anticipated and decided to stop the development for older cards. How about you buy a fancy new one instead?"

@iurigrang

Жыл бұрын

@@dogtrollololl well, it having tensor cores doesn't necessarily mean it has enough grunt in the tensor cores to run the algorithms. That's why I went with the nvidia direct answer.

@iurigrang

Жыл бұрын

@@teanam6496 Has nvidia ever done that? Not doubting you, genuine question.

Malcom in the middle was re-scanned for HD. It was shot 3perf 35mm for a 4:3 extraction (for cost savings), but the HD scan deliverable that’s used on streaming actually retains the extra width that was not intended to be shown (it’s most notable in classroom scenes).

@ferinzz

Жыл бұрын

sounds like what happened with Buffy. why do they always get this wrong >.

@Cowclops

Жыл бұрын

They did the same with Friends and Seinfeld. Though I did actually watch new episodes of malcolm in the middle in 720p live on fox at the tail end of their run.

@UltraSpesh

Жыл бұрын

You sometimes notice lighting equipment off to the sides of the frame in Malcolm in The Middle, only rarely though

@robinphillips504

Жыл бұрын

@@UltraSpesh one of my favorite screw ups like this was on stargate SG1, which shot super16 for the first part of its run but with an N16 4:3 extract (with wider 1.78 safe actually photographed). Last episode of season 1, outside the 4:3 extract, is a script left on the set.

@robinphillips504

Жыл бұрын

@@ferinzz its usually a decision made quickly and without a lot of thought from what I can tell. I think in Malcom in the Middle's case either this was requested or it was decided this was better to preserve the original intent instead of doing a common top 16x9 extract of the 4:3 zone. Depending on how the film was exposed, if there was any diffusion in front of the lens, you do loose a lot of perceived resolution that way compared to native 3 perf (and if anyone cheaped out on the scanner set up). IIRC Buffy was 16mm on the SR3, so one assumes they shot super16 1.66:1 and extracted 4:3 for TV. If thats what they did, the 16x9 zone would have been marked with a safe zone guide in the camera, but theres lots of circumstances where people in a rush never cleared the safe zone. I will say with Buffy, you'd potentially loose a lot of resolution if they cropped the 4:3 zone further into 16x9. If the film was shot at box speed, you'd be looking at probably a 720p image out of the negative. That show was shot before the Ultra16 lens line came out. It is upscalable, but no broadcaster seems willing to use a true 4:3 intended source from older shows at the moment. The less terrible ones will do a 14:9 crop (this is how HD star trek tng plays on BBCA), which was a weird intermediary format designed to bridge SD and HD and minimize the side bars on HD. TBH I think the only show where they did a decent job of 16x9ing a show is the original Law and Order, which looks like it frames for the top of the frame and then is cropped. Though some of the scans have insane color problems that they just rolled with. But the reason they always get it wrong is because to do it right either requires more thought or extra man hours at the transfer house that no one wants to pay.

I'm glad this video came out now i have been thinking of buying a new gpu to upgrade to 4k video. I had my heart set on the amd radeon rx 6700 xt because I have always had a amd card but I'm really thinking about switching now given most of the content I watch is 1080p with a small amount being 4k. Thanks LTT!

I did not even know i had the ability to do this so thank you for this video! ok i tried this and running this video at 1440p native it was around 34watt power draw from the gpu running this at 720p with the upscaling on whilst it looked good it was drawing around 250watt. I'm in Scotland in the UK and as you explained power costs are so high here that it likely isn't worthwhile in most cases however it's impressive to see it in use.

@adredy

Жыл бұрын

4h for 1.5£ nice savings :D

Tested this out for myself at around 5:10 with some text on the screen. I set resolution to 360p and looked closely at the captions on screen with and without VSR enabled. It's a noticeable improvement. It doesn't turn 360p to 4k, but it makes it so much easier to read and less pixelated.

@smittyvanjagermanjenson182

Жыл бұрын

Well its not magic lol. When DLSS works to achieve 4k it ls typically pulling from a 1080p/1440p source. The lower the quality of the source the less it can improve

@shooterboi

Жыл бұрын

320p.... dont think that exists bud.

@dominicsmall4566

Жыл бұрын

@@shooterboi 320p is a real resolution used in the quick time file format standard

@JulianSildenLanglo

Жыл бұрын

Finally I can watch WKUK at higher than 240p

@_SYDGAMING_

Жыл бұрын

8bit be moving into 16 bit boys

Linus: "Put your wallet away" Also Linus: "For 30 & 40 Series cards" 😐

@jimmymyers

Жыл бұрын

Cries in 2060 Super

@backupplan6058

Жыл бұрын

“Put away your wallets friends and get ready to sell your spare kidney as you need a 3000 series GPU buddy”

@Malicious2013

Жыл бұрын

The 3050 they were using costs like 300 bucks. It's not anything crazy. 😅

@ThBlueSalamander

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmymyers RIP going back to a 1080Ti level would be a big upgrade

@tylerlambert2665

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmymyers cries in 1660 super 😭

I gotta say, I'm impressed with RTX Video Super Resolution, if only accidently. I enabled the feature, but forgot that I had. It was only when I trying to watch a video while also running Stable Diffusion that I noticed KZread seemed to be REALLY laggy. I thought it was because I was trying to watch a 4K video, but when I checked the player, it was only a 1440p video!

I just turned this on and watched this video at 1080p upscaled to 1440p and it looked really really good...this is so nice! My Wattage on my 3050 according to Nvidia Performance Overlay, at 1080p, this video saw around 60-120 W

@animeloveer97

Жыл бұрын

pretty decent wattage thats like my laptop lol

Well done on the downsides part. Over here in Germany I certainly wouldn't let this be turned on by default. Not with 46ct/kWh on my electricity bill...

@shushup6557

Жыл бұрын

40ct a unit where I'm from, my last bill last week was €585 for 56 days.

@Nightykk

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexBarbu Maybe due to the fact that people are already expecting the GPU to work harder when gaming - it to be more expensive. .... or they just don't know/care.

@adoksym

Жыл бұрын

Just tested it as well; the higher power consumption does in fact exist. Watching at native resolution uses less power than having VSR active and doing its Job. Turned it off again. Not worth the trade off.

@terriplays1726

Жыл бұрын

@@shushup6557Do you have a large family or what? That is more electricity then I consume in an entire year.

@TheMistaKD

Жыл бұрын

​@@terriplays1726 The bill likely includes standing charges on top of raw usage.

Glad you mentioned the power consumption. 4090 went from 20W usage with it turned off to 120W with it turned on. Crazy!

@morgothsrs

Жыл бұрын

And my 3080 went to 300W...

@Gatsu563

Жыл бұрын

Good information, at least it's getting better with new generations because it's 300+ watts for my 3080.

@Compufreak

Жыл бұрын

It's really awkward, one day my 4080 went also way above 100w (can't exactly remember what it was, but it was 3 digits), and I was having a hard time spotting a difference on KZread. Next day I watched some Anno on a Twitch-Stream, and it did go from 19 to 23 Watts - and I saw a very noticeable improvement in clearness and color saturation as well.

@MateuszZych

Жыл бұрын

mine only increased by 15 watts 😲

@carlosreyesf19

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry, how do you measure that? I wanna know if my 3060 is like the 3050 in that it does not increase the power consumption that much.

I tried it out and are honestly impressed. I definitely keep VSR on. Thanks Linus, without you I haven't heard of this. Since I use Firefox, the power-draw dosen't make a difference yet for my overall power bill. But whenever I have a Video with crappy Quality or whenever my Internet speed collapses, I will probably simply switch to Edge.

You need to compare that to the MPV player. It can do the same things as VSR, but is free, customizable and on every hardware. Problem is browser integration is not seamless (copy pasting the YT or twitch link in MPV), but a shout-out could bring more eyes on the project and make it happen

@galactic_overlord

Жыл бұрын

I use mpv and like it a lot but I haven't seen a plugin that offers similar quality of VSR. If you've seen any, might point me in the right direction?

@ETin6666

Жыл бұрын

@@galactic_overlord fsrcnnx? What about madvr with mpc? I haven't tried VSR but from some redditors I gathered that it was destructive (loss of fine details because it cleans up the vid too much) compared to those two. Did you notice it when pixel peeping?

THANK YOU so much for this. I would not have known otherwise. This changes things tremendously. I tend to watch twitch streams in 480p because twitch is poorly optimized I guess? My internet is fine but twitch lags constantly at anything above 480p... anyway VSR takes away all the jagged edges and makes text much more readable at every resolution on livestreams, which is a gamechanger for me. THANKS!!! *Edit- Power draw is very high when upscaling 720p or 1080p.. but when upscaling 480p I see no spike in power at all but image quality looks amazing!

@TheTechwizGuy

Жыл бұрын

💯🔥💯🔥

@Meg_A_Byte

Жыл бұрын

How's your GPU power draw? I tried with some videos (I don't watch twitch) and it's working harder than in games.

@squirtle88

Жыл бұрын

@@Meg_A_Byte power draw is as high as when playing the most demanding games, 255 watts from a 3060. But that's only when upscaling 720p or 1080p... if I use it on 480p it makes a huge noticeable difference in the video but the power doesn't spike at all...

@metalvideos1961

Жыл бұрын

so your internetis not fine if you have lags above 480p lol. thats what we call crappy internet. get a better ISP

@animeloveer97

Жыл бұрын

@@metalvideos1961 yea he muszt be throttled or smthng

The most impressive part of Nvidia VSR is the fact that they took care of DRMs

@anon_y_mousse

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeycrackson I don't know if it's just me, but screen resolutions aside, I feel like modern computing sucks compared to how it was even just 20 years ago. Although, if we could get rid of DRM that might fix 99% of my issues with modern computing.

@CouchPotator

Жыл бұрын

@@anon_y_mousse You clearly don't correctly remember computing in 2003 if you think that's true

@anon_y_mousse

Жыл бұрын

@@CouchPotator I guess it's because I was using Linux then and didn't have the horrible experiences with Windows that you clearly had.

@MarbleThumbs

Жыл бұрын

@@anon_y_mousse So what you're saying is Linux used to be good, but now it sucks? Get your point straight before you talk my dude.

@DipJyotiDeka

Жыл бұрын

@@anon_y_mousse windows xp was awesome.

I'd love to see this on Star Trek episodes that haven't been re-scanned for 1080p or 4k, like Deep Space Nine or Voyager. There's been several fan projects to using AI upscaling with some manual editing to try and create 1080p or even 4k editions of those shows, but they can be rough sometimes, especially as the AI is years old.

@MiguelCorreiaDaCunha

4 ай бұрын

Voyager has annoying judder, you can see it clearly on the ship panning shots. 24fps is a curse if you use 60hz monitors, there's a 3/2 pulldown. Sorry if I made you notice for the first time. I'd prefer interpolating content like this locally to 30fps, not strong enough to cause a soap opera effect and goodbye to judder. Easier than this: 120hz monitor or TV, divisible by 60, 30 and 24. That judder made me crazy enough to start this rant and a geek journey into video... So, yeah, VSR + no judder = bliss for 90's Star Trek.

Great video, the only thing I would add is that every time Linus says "I wouldn't have noticed it..." he's looking at tiny screens, if he was looking at a 65" OLED everything would be way more noticeable

6:40 FYI: Netflix doesn't support 1080 or higher (so only 720p) in any browser except Edge and Safari (and the Netflix App from the Windows store).. So you didn't need to give Netflix more money (which they don't deserve anyway btw).

I seriously want to try this out on Deep Space Nine and Babylon 5 now. Those shows haven't been remastered yet. Holy crap. I can upscaling the Captain Power TV pilot. The 80's CGI on that should look interesting upscaled.

lol the fact that you uploaded this in 4k is the best part (and the ai upscale works great! i'm using a 4080 rtx and it's amazing!)

You made a video before on why 4K should be monetized....

*puts away wallet* "RTX 40 and 30 Series GPU-" *pulls out wallet again*

I use this on occasion using a 3060 in my HTPC. Comes in handy on old DVD rips.

Fired this up on my 3070, it makes a really noticable difference if you do tests like they were doing on the test bench, even on Linus already high quality videos. This is really impressive, a bit surprising they pushed this to 30 series drivers. Thanks Nvidia!

@gateopssss

Жыл бұрын

Unless you got free electricity, VSR isn't worth it if it's eating over 100w while watching videos, which it does apparently.

@delresearch5416

Жыл бұрын

They needed to sell the 30 series

I gotta admit, I'm loving it! Streaming old TV shows from KZread on my 3060 which I just upgraded from an RX 580 is awesome! Takes out much of the bad compression, adds a fine layer of texture over the skin and does work well with 480p content. Just watched Total Recall 2070 and Tekwar, works wonders!

Used to have 4k Netflix and mainly used it on a Samsung smart TV. Always had long bufferings and even complete network failures where I had to restart the TV and so on. After switching to the cheaper Netflix HD I realized that the TV has a really good 4k upscaler already included. So it works better while being cheaper

@1IGG

Жыл бұрын

4k is a scam tbh, you don't see it if it's not next to each other. It's just marketing generating a FOMO and dumb people fall for it.

@adamcarlson4922

Жыл бұрын

Do you lose HDR when dropping to HD tier?

@adityadas5820

Жыл бұрын

@@adamcarlson4922 Yes. That's the main problem, You cannot differentiate a good 1080p video from 4k from a distance but HDR and Dolby vision makes the world of difference.

@emanggitulah4319

Жыл бұрын

@@Carl_Gunderson yes either the router or the TV box choked

OMG I JUST TESTED IT ON YOUR VIDEO WITH MY RTX 3060 AND ITS REALLY GOOD THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME THIS (got 38 watts usage when playing on 480p upscaled to 1080p)

Cool feature overall, really surprised by how much you can notice it. But that powerdraw is insane. Really depends on what kind of content youre watching and at which resolution youre starting at. Interestingly going 1080p-> 4k draws half as much as 1440p -> 4k. Like some videos going from 40 watts to like 80 or so for an improved experience is okay by me but like some tarkov stream upload to youtube which really looks like shit normally my gpu drawing 300 watts is absolute nuts like thats just like im gaming.. yeah sure looks waaayy better with vsr but 300 watts cmon

I love that Nvidia did this and it's their second-ish iteration. Who knows what we can get down the road and for older cards. You and me paid a pretty penny for our cards, what I'd like to get is some years with it. Updates like this really are a bang for our buck.

@zwenkwiel816

Жыл бұрын

yeah, DLSS was kind of shit when it first came out but it's improved a lot (like I was vehemently against it but now I don't mind using it in most games) and this already seems to be working pretty well now...

@zues287

Жыл бұрын

@@zwenkwiel816 yeah it was terrible when it released, but DLSS quality now looks even better than native resolution in a lot of games due to the de-noising and alias reduction.

considering this literally just came out and people are already super impressed with it my hopes are pretty high. if the path to advancing this is similar to the path that dlss and fsr have taken then this technology should be truly incredible come due time. i hope that amd and intel get around to making their own versions of this tech

@MRDaved

Жыл бұрын

I've love it, my internet isn't the best, so it's be really nice to have.

@andybrice2711

Жыл бұрын

Eventually, I expect video codecs will integrate this sort of technology directly, and videos will be effectively resolution-independent. As I understand it: Modern video compression largely works by converting images into tiles of 2D sine-waves and motion vectors. So I predict that pixel densities will become irrelevant. Instead you'll just specify a maximum bit-rate and a computational complexity. More like vector graphics, meshes, point-clouds, and NERFs.

@bonko86

Жыл бұрын

I see similarities to when Nvidia introduced RTX Voice which removed background noise almost flawlessly no matter what. And now Discord and many other audio software have introduced their own versions as well.

@webbedshadow2601

Жыл бұрын

Me too really hope AMD makes their own version for people with AMD cards

I've watched many videos on RTX VSR by now and you guys were basically the only ones who really took power consumption in to serious account. I'm using an RTX 3070 and at VSR quality 4, 1080p60 fullscreen playback maxes out the GPU in terms of powerdraw, which means a constant (at least) 200W extra usage. It's simply too expensive. Quality 2 is reasonable at ~40-60W and I couldn't notice a difference in quality. Would be interesting if there were more comprehensive power usage analyses across different GPUs. It seems so strange that the RTX 3050 is barely hit in terms of power draw at quality 4 like in this video, while higher end GPUs suck back the power like there's no tomorrow. Does that mean a difference in image quality?? Would be interesting to see.

@locinolacolino1302

6 ай бұрын

Must be some sort of bug, there shouldn't be any power discrepancy if it's running on the tensor cores

It would be awesome if Nvidia will introduce a new Shield version with this feature once it's more polished (power consumption etc.)

1:07 Big Mood

I really like my Shield TV for their AI upscaling feature, had it for years and really appreciate it on a "Medium" setting that helps with 720p or 1080p content on my OLED TV. Glad to see it brought to PC now!

Hope AMD does something like this with FSR, although to be fair FSR is open enough that someone could make a plugin to do it, however I wouldn't trust that to work as well. The actual base upscaling though I would think would be roughly comparable to this solution as the issue with FSR 1.0 is that it doesn't use motion vectors which is what makes FSR 2.0 such a big improvement. but this doesn't use motion vectors either so it wont be significantly worse and given how long AMD was tweaking FSR 1.0 if they came out with a solution relatively quickly it might actually be better until NVIDIA gets it properly dialled in as well.

@ETin6666

Жыл бұрын

They might to have to go the opposite direction if they want to get a leg up against nvidia, i.e. not aggressively cleaning up the image such that people look plasticky and better power draw. I think rtx vsr was specifically designed for twitch's horrendous low-bit rate content, but any other content will benefit more from a less heavy-handed approach.

Okay so with further testing: I ALWAYS use Video Super Resolution for Animation, I often use it for regular shows on streaming services as well. For animation 4 looks AWESOME! I have a 1440p monitor as my "TV" screen and Hulu, Xfinity and others only output at 480p-1080p and 4k, IIRC Netflix will do 1440p with some titles. Point is, it looks AMAZING for Animation in particular, I always put it to level 4 for that. For live action I sometimes fins 2 or 3 preferable as it doesn't smooth out skin so much. On MOST KZread videos I turn it off, cause it draws ~350 watts on my 3080 Ti! but for some reason other KZread videos only drtaw ~120 watts... For Hulu, it goes to 83 watts from the normal ~40 watts - I am FINE with 120 watts or less for the improvement it digital image clarity. For the rest of the Streaming services that aren't KZread it generally draws less than 100 watts though. It not only sharpens objects perfectly, but it REMOVES Blocking Artefacts

@DoubleMonoLR

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I thought that was weird how they said the animation was 'too simple' for good AI upscaling - it should be by far the easiest thing to upscale well. It could practically just turn all the lines into splines. Even amateurs had some success increasing animation image quality prior to AI. It's the complex imagery(or noise) it's going to struggle most with.

I have played with this feature for awhile now and can't really tell enough to make it anything to get excited about. If anything I tend to notice the imperfections more than the improvements.

Very cool, probably not worth the power draw personally. I really would love to start trending towards using less power for things instead of more

@Z3t487

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, considering the cost of energy in my Country and the power consumption using VSR, it's definitely not worth it for me on an RTX 3080.

@ABaumstumpf

Жыл бұрын

The power-draw 99% likely is just a bug that will be fixed within a couple days/weeks.

I found that if you can't just enable/disable and apply VSR from Nvidia config, you'd also need to pause and start the video. If you let it run, it will continue using the same mode as when it was started with.

I couldn't see the different between your A-B tests and then I remembered I turned VSR on already. 😅

The improvement to text sharpness is huge, and even a slight effect on colour saturation I think? The GPU usage doesn't seem to be consistently high though, I guess it doesn't always have something to sharpen, most I saw was 37% and a spike of 100% when closing the window for whatever reason. Definitely one of the coolest AI thing I've seen in a while.

Thank you for including the chapter about power usage. That is a super important part of this new tech which is very often overlooked.

@ditto_75

Жыл бұрын

Yes, and after about an hour of level 4 VSR my PC was pumping out some serious heat. As much as I watch KZread videos, I'm just not willing to allow my GPU to be running wide open all the time.

@CRneu

Жыл бұрын

@@ditto_75 additionally, if you're using AC to cool your room, a computer can raise the temps in the room by a few degrees. That's significant because you're paying to run the computer which is then heating your room which you're then paying to cool down. So that figure that linus quoted gets even worse when your ac is running.

@rene13cross

Жыл бұрын

Can't believe how many big tech reviewers are overlooking this aspect. My RTX 3070 chugs back a constant extra 200W at quality level 4. Level 2 is more reasonable to ~40-60W.

This will help a lot with my data cap because now I can drop streaming quality to save on GB per month usage and just upscale it here.

I love that Nerd Forge pc so much still and I love seeing it in videos.

Just as a fun experiment you could screencap the output and then run that back through VSR again and just constantly do that to see what happens.

Man I love this channel! I didn't even know about this until just now. Thanks for keeping us all up-to-date on everything tech!

4K Luke is very compelling selling point. AMD VSR is going to be used by Edge for the upscaling as well, Soontm

I tested this with Gura's 3D showcase and it did an amazing job to upscale that 1080p low bitrate. The improvement was obvious but the consumption on my 3080 was 300+ watts. I'm fine with this given the improvement. This technology is really good to improve 1080p live stream when the movement is limited. I expect next version to be able to detect grain.

@jammaschan

Жыл бұрын

Fellow no pants enjoyer

@jarrodong4430

Жыл бұрын

A

@flurrybolt1330

Жыл бұрын

You made me do a double take to check what video I was on.

@Mighty_Dork

Жыл бұрын

oh, a shrimp

@audioTopia

Жыл бұрын

this comment was an unexpected stumble for me

Linus: Even the text looks cleaner Me watching at 360p: Confushin

Star Trek DS9 would be a good test. Same with Voyager as both aren't available in anything higher than 480p and there's a lot of fan projects using AI to upscale which have produced really cool results

@pokepress

Жыл бұрын

In that case you would probably get better results by using commercial upscaling software or a special dedicated specialized set of models, but it would be interesting to see what this can do in real time.

8:40 That wabling could also come from the original animation process by "photographing" every frame. There is allways some mechanical clearance in the holes for the cells.

@MattJDylan

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, older Simpsons episodes were wobbly on their own, glad you gave a more technical reason for it

Just bought the Panasonic DP-B824 4 K Player. I tried to watch a DVD on a 4 K Panasonic. That worked very well, it was just a bit less sharp. It was very impressive, what the chip could do.

I applaud your efforts and coverage, but when I'm WATCHING this using one display, in YT 4k, it's not too easy to see differences :)

Watching this video with VSR is insane, it works so well considering the content you have put through it. Nvidia excels at software, wish they would put this much effort into keeping low prices lol

@arnox4554

Жыл бұрын

Nvidia is like if you took a company that had the best engineers and wrapped it all up in shit-tier management.

@Whiistledx

Жыл бұрын

@@arnox4554 Sadly.. All these old ass men in the higher ranks of the company just out here tryna squeeze the consumers dry

@erebuxy

Жыл бұрын

Sadly they put so much effort on their software in order to not need to keep low prices.

@Ultrajamz

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully they enable it beyond browser

@darkceptor44

Жыл бұрын

@@Ultrajamz what else is there besides browser though? games already have it, on desktop is useless, anything else already works in the browser (self-hosted or not)

In case you might've missed, in Win10, you can choose in Task manager what graphs to show, there's a dropdown selection of multiple computes, decorders, vr, 3D ... Perhaps Tensor shows up there as well.

Reminds me of GTA3 (when he pointed out the smearing of the RV driving by). Same old tricks.

Awesome video and great timing! I never would have seen this feature without your video! haha

I would love to see this as an option used with transcode on the backend of plex.

Tbh, pretty cool. But woulda liked to see the comparison of content on different resolution monitors. Cuz upscaled to 4k, playing on 1080p tends to be pretty crap if it's not a game... Woulda been nice to see what scales better (eg. integer scaling like 720p to 1440p). Also how the pixel density changes the resolution that looks good on it (eg. I run 480p YT on my 1440p panel, cuz it looks as good as 720p on 1080p). This is really the kinda thing I woulda hoped you'd get the lab involved in, so you can give stats and a broad-range test on it. And on a side note, TVs. TVs have far crappier pixel density than a monitor, so it should really show the quality difference. Eg. watching original Avatar 1080p on a 4k TV, will the upscaling actually make it look better?

"You're not supposed to judge the content of the video Linus" Greatest burn since channel was founded.

what do you use to see power consumption ? thx a lot ! ps i listen to every video u made even if i am from Québec 😂

Would love to see this come to 20 series (mainly because I have a 2060 sitting around). That would certainly help when watching older content on a TV.

@matKilla9801

Жыл бұрын

Nvidia greed means it won’t ever come to the 20 series. There is no reason why it can’t, other than the fact that Nvidia wants to use features like these to sell their newer overpriced cards.

@agentcrm

Жыл бұрын

@@matKilla9801 Yep, though that's not exactly unexpected. I and hopefully a lot of other people) wont by a new 3050 just to run in a media PC.

@joshjlmgproductions3313

Жыл бұрын

If they don't bring it to the 20-series, that's yet another promised feature Nvidia failed to deliver to users who were first in line for their new tech.

FYI - This is also available for the RTX A series cards. The A2000 is probably the best low-profile card on the market period right now, and is only $250 on amazon. Similar performance to a 3050.

@tamegaming1768

Жыл бұрын

shhhh it's already $300 stop telling people or it'll raise more LOL

@joeykeilholz925

Жыл бұрын

Just get a 6600 XT at that point

@IntoTheAbyss98

Жыл бұрын

@@joeykeilholz925 the A2000 is the best low profile card. Not the best card per dollar.

@el821

Жыл бұрын

I have RTX 4090 I do t have pc monitor I’m using lg g2 tv And 4K is must for me Who use 4K on monitor screen? What is that video???

@untag4066

Жыл бұрын

@@tamegaming1768 300 for a 50 series card lul

I'd love to have this added to Handbrake and Jellyfin, so we can transcode from a lower resolution to a higher one. Then the RTX card could be in my video server instead of my client machines.

Simpsons, Seinfeld, and Spiderman into the Spiderverse. . . You got a great taste in media!

I've been super disappointed with blocking and muddiness on certain titles on Netflix for months, tried this out on my 3070 and it cleaned the image up beautifully. This will be a movie night essential for me going forward.

@CRneu

Жыл бұрын

If you're using netflix in chrome you're only getting 720p.

Thank you Linus. I have had this on for some odd reason. I never knew it took so much of wattage, before i saw this video. I am pretty sure you just saved me a good amount of money! :D Danish power costs a shit ton as of right now

I've been using MPV with 4K upscaling shaders to watch anime for a long time. Upscaling has a ton of potential and, outside of a few niche instances, it doesn't have the 'purity' problems that plague filters or interpolated frames. It's an easy way to just make everything simply better with almost no downsides.

@ranveerramcharan-ex2hn

Жыл бұрын

Yo. Explain what u meant here. This sounds awesome.

Now also available for 20 series gpus

6:24 That transition is sick. Shoutouts to the editors and choreographers for that one!

@BeCurieUs

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for pointing that out, totally missed it in podcast mode :D

@0xF81

Жыл бұрын

I don't get what you mean

@billythecat

Жыл бұрын

Are u being sarcastic? Cause what transition ??

@BeCurieUs

Жыл бұрын

@@billythecat It is 2 different takes blended together as he turns around and the audio is seemless, it doesn't even seem like a different take, it looks like the same take with an A and B camera...it is perfectly stitched together. Look at the monitor, they are not the same before and after the hyper fast jump cut. Its great.

@billythecat

Жыл бұрын

@Christopher Willis @Christopher Willis yeah i did think it was just a different angle but now that u've pointed out that it was a different take, I don't see how its amazing. It's the same mic and environment. I mean everything seems basic and easy.

Just a quick note on my explanation on deep learning stuff going in this tech. I think what Nvidia has done here is take lots of 4k videos convert them to lower resolution and then take a pre-trained transformer ML model trained on object recognition. This model can now be provided with input as lower version and compare its output with the 4k version trying to reduce the error as much as possible. After lots of such training the model you will end up with can take any video and output a higher scaled version of that video.

I'm using the SVP project with MPC to apply frame blending and resolution up scaling with only AMD RX570

You should check out Lucid mode in Opera. Even 4K videos get sharper.

You have to think though, this is the first version of VSR they've released, so it'll get better with a few updates

"Paying for 4k is dumb" says the man who has the same option on Floatplane

@bobhanson1037

Жыл бұрын

And he'd have no problem if people said "I don't want to pay for that, I'm good with 1080p." He also is fine with companies saying "if you want it pay more for it."

@0hkie

Жыл бұрын

Just because he thinks its dumb doesnt mean he doesnt want to give people the option to pay for it if they want it. Hosting 4k is expensive, thus it makes sense to charge for it. But yeh, just cause he thinks its dumb doesnt mean he wants people to not have the option.

As someone else said: this would be interesting for live TV streaming like sports. There's a funny thing about about a football stadium having multi-thousand dollar cameras that can do 4K/8K/etc. and that gets recorded... but it also needs to be streamed. The recorded content looks fantastic when viewed later. Possibly 4K or better resolution. But the streamed content? Even with fiber lines, hundreds of thousands of dollars of networking equipment and encoders... the Fubo/KZread TV/Hulu streaming service may only receive it at 720p/1080i resolution. Sometimes worse. So even if you pay for 4K, you may not get it because Fox/NBC/CBS/Disney/etc. basically said "nah, why bother with trying to stream at that resolution?"

It works really well on anime too, when I enabled VSR and tested it on content, I noticed that when streaming anime it makes it looks like I’m watching a 4K anime movie, i also experienced 250+ watts power draw on my 3080 when testing vsr.

@s.i.m.c.a

Жыл бұрын

it's interesting, as on 3080 ti it eats around ~ 121 W for me

@Sphynx93rkn

Жыл бұрын

Damn that's alot of power consumption for me to watch videos.

@DjamTG12345

Жыл бұрын

@@s.i.m.c.a maybe it varies between cards? I have an msi gaming x trio, nonetheless thats still alot of power lmao

@Sephirothna-qz6og

Жыл бұрын

That's crazy wattage my 4090 doesn't hit 250watts of power usage I wonder why it's pulling so much

@DjamTG12345

Жыл бұрын

@@Sephirothna-qz6og my card was second hand... idk what the previous owner did with it. Drivers 531.29 just released tho i'll see if they changed anything with power draw when using vsr. Also I think your 4090 is just a beast of a card XD

This could be huge for a HTPC with Plex/Jellyfin, hopefully these players and Firefox will be supported in the near future.

I'd be interested to see how this handles cartoons with more complex shading like 1970s Scooby-Doo.

In Netflix you used to be able to do something like ctrl+alt+shift+s or b to bring up a menu that you could "force" it to give different bitrates and such. Dunno if it's still an option.

I'd be hyped if Nvidia had an equivalent to Sony's DSEE Ultimate to enhance the audio to go along VSR, cuz audio aliasing is really horrendous on a lot of things we all watch today, like low bitrate YT and anime

3:58 savage 😢 lol.

Just tried this on Clone Wars on disney plus amazing how far technologies like this have come.

Would be cool if at some point you get AI based encoding. for example, you would get a video stream of about 720P and a custom algorithm for upscaling with timestamping and settings made by either an editor or a fancy encoder.

A few months ago: youtube putting 4K behind a paywall makes sense

@BobWill1846

Жыл бұрын

from different perspectives. For youtube the bandwidth is way higher, and more expensive. Makes it unprofitable if it were free. For the consumer if you can get 4k, why not, it's better quality.

@cornonjacob

Жыл бұрын

KZread should charge for it bc it's way more expensive on their end, and it doesn't hurt the average user, bc as this video shows, it's not generally better for most people to stream 4k anyway. i.e. most people have the exact same experience, KZread didn't have to provide nearly as much 4k streaming, and they get better compensated when they do

@Regular_Ben

Жыл бұрын

Do you only read the titles and not understand anything that happens in the videos?

@BugattiBoy01

Жыл бұрын

Makes sense to them

I would like to see a quality comparison with commercial video upscalers (which you mentioned but didn’t compare), as well as special purpose models for fixing certain artifact types.

@CallMeRabbitzUSVI

Жыл бұрын

Then they would have to do actual work, can't have that

@phuzz00

Жыл бұрын

As far as I know, none of the commercial up-scalers work in realtime.

@GothicPotato2

Жыл бұрын

Definitely agree that it would be nice to see a side-by-side comparison here. I would also like if they added the Nvidia Shield Pro to the lineup, since that has native upscaling and was historically the best cost-to-value ratio for the tv market.

I was hoping I could upscale some of my favorite older doctor who episodes, but it doesn't seem like the technology is there yet.

If the power doesn't rise significantly on the RTX3050, that sounds like a driver power management issue (which will hopefully get fixed). Might be that the card detects the usage and thinks it should boost its clock as high as possible (as in gaming) to deliver the best clock speeds and frame rates. Have you checked all the power management settings on your test systems? If you had the RTX 3080 with all the 'maximum performance' options selected, that could be the reason for the difference. (Again, something Nvidia could change with a software update)

It's hit and miss, sometimes it makes an improvement sometimes it makes it look worst. It's good for static or very fast moving scenes but fails miserably at anything that's supposed to have a very certain look or is moving but not enough to cause pixelation. I turned it off, it's only really useful to me in low bitrate live streams. If you stream a lot at low bitrate I could see where it might be useful.

@EfrainMan

Жыл бұрын

Yep, I get a lot of "film grainy" pixelation on darker colors with it on, it's more annoying than the standard compression artifacts lol.