It all comes down to personal preference. Pavlov's gunplay is more suited for Pavlov's gameplay. Like onward gunplay to gameplay.
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
love this comment, thank you
@macvadda2318
Жыл бұрын
Ngl i feel like contractors gunplay in pavlov would be interesting
@SpecialOperator
Жыл бұрын
It is personal preference but it's obvious Cotractors has better and more advanced mechanics and has actual weapon physics. Pavlov is too arcade-y
@djtbriggle
7 ай бұрын
@@SpecialOperatordon’t get how people say this it feels the complete opposite. Pavlov feels real and gritty contractors feels like one of them cheap arcade shooters
@3cheeseshigh
6 ай бұрын
@@AureusVRyou sound like moist critical
@windmaster429111 ай бұрын
Bro bashed pavlov for being realistic and unrealistic at the same time
@Randomlad56
10 ай бұрын
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t
@peedeegt
4 ай бұрын
This guy is a douche. Clearly never fired a weapon so has no idea about the mechanics of one 😂
@Major_nutt
4 ай бұрын
Bc these games aren't supposed to be incredibly realistic, but some parts need to be in vr fps games
@gayfurryfemboyy
2 ай бұрын
Yeah but recoil means when your shooting straight and you end up aiming down while the guns pointing straight
@gianni9192
Ай бұрын
@@Major_nuttI mean, I'm sure the people making the game would know what it's supposed to be. Buying a game doesn't suddenly entitle you to say what it should or shouldn't be. I tend to prefer when people take a unique or less popular approach to doing something. Creativity over conformity.
@gtavroleplaycountry9918 Жыл бұрын
The recoil is a big skill issue
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
nuh uh
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
@@P.I.N.K.S got me there
@CaptainCupcake1286
Жыл бұрын
You could use simulated stock it is so much better for recoil
@nugo344
Жыл бұрын
@@AureusVR yuh uh, you are supposed to force the gun down
@SpecialOperator
Жыл бұрын
It's not about the recoil, It's about what looks and feels better. Pavlov is too arcadey
@jaredflynn3750 Жыл бұрын
I definitely prefer the challenge of the heavier recoil in Pavlov
@jaredflynn3750
Жыл бұрын
@random yt gamer in pavlov yes they have different recoil patterns for the different guns to keep the game balanced admittedly its a bit exaggerated for gameplay reasons
@jaredflynn3750
Жыл бұрын
@random yt gamer I mean if you aim your gun at something and then just hold down the trigger you will see the muzzle of the gun go up because of the recoil and you'll see the bullets start to Trail upwards if you don't actively fight against the recoil so I don't know how you didn't notice unless you only use semi auto weapons at close quarters or something
@jaredflynn3750
Жыл бұрын
@random yt gamer that's really weird to me especially since Pavlov has the most intense recoil of literally any VR shooter everything else there's like barely anything
@jaredflynn3750
Жыл бұрын
@random yt gamer i guess to be fair i do use a haptic gunstock so its something that I'm naturally more aware of with the gunstock physically simulating the recoil too lol
@Godzillaforlyfe2
11 ай бұрын
the dude’s comments disappeared and it looks like you’re just talking to yourself
@nemesis021 Жыл бұрын
This comment section is so wholesome wtf? I thought people would be ripping apart this dude and arguing about why reloading a gun in vr is better here than there.
@thebear2950
Жыл бұрын
Shut up I hate you now
@user-om2xs3xn6j
10 ай бұрын
Oops was I not supposed to
@woahquill1334 Жыл бұрын
I’m the opposite. I despise how the mag just snaps in in contractors. That alone is enough for me to prefer Pavlov
@ZeeTheEpic
10 ай бұрын
same except i hate the noises and the recoil with the guns plus there arent many gun to choose from (atleast from my perspective)
@0xxgodlyshadowxx015
9 ай бұрын
@@ZeeTheEpictalking about pavlov or contractors?
@ZeeTheEpic
9 ай бұрын
@@0xxgodlyshadowxx015 contractors
@AdzzVR
Ай бұрын
THIS!!! Coming from Pavlov to contractors. The reloading is subpar. Its literally snaps like an animation the moment the mag is near the gun. It doesn’t seem to physically wait for me to actually insert the mag.
@ivanthehunter3530
Ай бұрын
I didn't think straight insertion ak mags could hurt me, but then i saw contractors.
@UraniumWolfy Жыл бұрын
You know what's better though? Hotdogs Horshoes and Hand Grenades
@JeweledSpace93
Жыл бұрын
Pavlov
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
truuuee
@Potatoonfloor
Жыл бұрын
True
@MorbyLol
Жыл бұрын
@@JeweledSpace93 onward is a bit more compie though, sometimes I just wanna pop a headset on and shoot baddies and not thing like an army veteran
@MorbyLol
Жыл бұрын
If h3 had multiplayer it would be godly
@voxparadox5625 Жыл бұрын
Eh I disagree. Pavlov’s guns are more interactive and the models are LEAGUES better that contractors. In the terms of details, scale, etc. Secondly the reloads in pavlov are more realistic in the since that the mag doesn’t snap in instead you have to put effort into pushing the mag in. Thus feels more satisfying to do. Its up to personal preference because pavlov plays very different to contractors. The guns in pav kick WAY harder than contractors thus encouraging less reckless sprays. Very similar to CSGO Contractors is literally CoD vr so its arcadey recoil pattern suits the game well. Perfect for run and gun.
@Tempest_plays
Жыл бұрын
Broski contractors has cod maps 💀 💀
@nugo344
Жыл бұрын
Man is spitting facts
@nugo344
Жыл бұрын
@@Tempest_plays pavlov has infinite possibilities for maps 💀💀
@oscarsulaka4867
Жыл бұрын
@@nugo344 every game has infinite community content
@tortinofevergaming3645
Жыл бұрын
@@oscarsulaka4867 true
@CluntWestwood Жыл бұрын
In my opinion I like Pavlov more
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
i respect your opinion
@Apinkmangg
6 ай бұрын
Do you have both
@user-fo4ge5ro9i Жыл бұрын
Bro wants a realistic shooter but is mad when an ak doesn’t completely beam in a straight line
@TrainWayneStudios
Жыл бұрын
He wasn’t mad, he even stated how it’s realistic to have that high kick in an AK. Just simply said in a actual fps game it makes it not fun..
@mayonnaise3959
Жыл бұрын
@@TrainWayneStudios how is that a good critical exactly?
@galaxynoob6297
Жыл бұрын
Oh boy you suck
@ChipKaffmen
Жыл бұрын
@@galaxynoob6297 you're autistic like you're sister who doesn't know how to use chop sticks
@PrezTheDude
9 ай бұрын
because everyone would be kinda uncomfortable in a one to one realistic firefight situation@@mayonnaise3959
@cozyninjaytcrispychicken722 Жыл бұрын
People would be dropping like flys if Pavlov had contractors gunplay I would actually play that tbh
@spacedout4061
11 ай бұрын
Well the contractors mods are what carries
@ronaldraygun6304 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but like we can all agree that shooters on VR are pretty dope
@deathvulture597411 ай бұрын
*laughs in ghosts of tabor*
@evenlock2524
9 ай бұрын
ghosts of tabor 🔛🔝
@Juicy54
7 ай бұрын
Yessir
@juju-209
7 ай бұрын
Bro GOT is not at all the same unless your comparing shooting
@Juicy54
7 ай бұрын
It has more precision and you have to be careful where you put the mag in order to properly reload
@JadwinManuel
2 ай бұрын
Mag palming!!!
@Swattii Жыл бұрын
The biggest difference I've noticed is that the mag slap in Contractors VR actually flies out more. In Pavlov VR, it just falls down like nothing.
@AbsoluteRatBastard
Жыл бұрын
I hope they fix that and make the mag fly out depending on how hard you slap it
@Swattii
Жыл бұрын
@@AbsoluteRatBastard Agreed. Reloading in Pavlov VR feels janky at times, especially with the animations that play out through reloading. I understand why it's there though so people won't reload within a millisecond.
@ItsDeepIy
8 ай бұрын
its called "gravity" life isn't meant to be satisfying, it's meant to keep up with it's laws of physics.
@Swattii
8 ай бұрын
@@ItsDeepIy Didn't ask, idiot. Plus, it's a game.
@Noober666
2 ай бұрын
@@ItsDeepIythere are no mag physics or at least they’re broken because you can hit it hard and it’ll just fall
@gangsterfrogs7768 Жыл бұрын
so this can be summarized with skill issue
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
yeah
@user-om4hi4rf2t
2 ай бұрын
Womp womp
@Hoviem1 Жыл бұрын
This is the kind of guy that gets kicked out of the gun range for shooting the ceiling.
@KTZUP Жыл бұрын
You need to remember that pavlov is a game, and just like in CSGO there are spray patterns which takes many hours to master, and takes skill. And personally i believe pavlov’s graphics are better and thats subjective. The mag slap both seem similar, its just that contractors has more physics and collisions.
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
finally a good comment that isnt just "skill issue"
@Swattii
Жыл бұрын
Contractors VR has spray patterns too. They're just more straight forward and easier to control. Pavlov VR graphics are way better than Contractor VR and that isn't subjective, it's objective.
@p4tr1kmc88 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but pavlov is free on oculus and contractor isnt
@ceelt
Жыл бұрын
Pavlov shack and Pavlov are different lmao
@FunkelMcStump
Жыл бұрын
What that i smell… Is it… *COPE*
@Tommydoestuff
Жыл бұрын
@@FunkelMcStump cope?
@FunkelMcStump
Жыл бұрын
@@Tommydoestuff cope
@zaciscool3621
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that doesn’t reflect to quality of the game the guns and reloads are the same as on pc which is paid so cope ( also I think pavlov is a way better game than contractors but the mods make the game so much better and contractors has a fal so thats a win in my book)
@12Relic4 ай бұрын
boneworks reloading is crazy fun though...
@esequielpinti93886 ай бұрын
Pavlov for the "Win" button ---->
@MooseVR6 ай бұрын
*complains about the Pavlov reloading mechanics that are the exact same on contractors*
@Noober666
2 ай бұрын
Someone that’s never played contractors
@kutl4ss526 Жыл бұрын
People forget this man is comparing reloading and gunplay, So many ppl say “its free” “bro forgot its free” istg
@ImDaBaby4 ай бұрын
I prefer the feeling of Pavlov’s AK. Contractors really lacks emphasis of the punchiness like you’re shooting a rifle, ala the sounds and recoil, and I personally hate a lot of the default grip offsets for the guns in Contractors. All the ones in Pavlov feel more natural where my hands should be placed when aiming down sights and when I switch to other games like Breachers or Bonelabs they all share a more similar offset to Pavlov which makes them easy to switch between playing as opposed to contractors where I feel I’m extending my arm gripping the handle near the barrel more to the right and feels off for me. I personally don’t use the virtual stock option in any VR FPS since it pretty much does that same thing and I can’t hold my guns sideways if I don’t necessarily want to use a scope for ADSing. If you don’t agree try equipping the MP7 without a gunstock/virtual stock option and holding that it feels so awkward to hold.
@The_voices_are_getting_louder_8 ай бұрын
Pavlov is 🔛🔝 If the recoil is "all over the place" then control it, have bad aim? Get good. Doesnt matter if the mechanics feel better when pavlov's perspective if driven to being a skill based shooter
@spanty6139 Жыл бұрын
I just think that the weapon handling is supposed to more like CSGO in Pavlov, since that is what it’s made after. But contractors is more of a call of duty, so they are definitely going to be different.
@zaciscool3621
Жыл бұрын
Yeah the guns in pavlov are more accurate to the real guns, i say it simulates firing and operating the gun way better than contractors, a good example of this would be the m4 in pavlov you can hit the bolt release when ever you want but in contractors only when the next mag is put in like I know that is probably better for a gameplays stand point but as a huge gun nerd I prefer pavlov’s guns more.
@TheOrangeRoad
8 ай бұрын
I play CS exclusively on pc, but I prefer contractors for vr
@Ballssniffer600 Жыл бұрын
Oh btw contractors has physics too
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
It adds a lot when playing now and that's my main thing with VR shooters, everything feels so weightless but now it feels fine
@Ballssniffer600
Жыл бұрын
@@AureusVR and the new update makes cool reloads with the m4a1 if you change a empty mag press b so you can do it like the m4a1 at pavlov
I just started playing this last night and I'm already in love with it
@lisimal9819 Жыл бұрын
I MISS PAVLOV SO MUCH MY CONTROLLER BROKE SO NOW I CANT MOVE RIGHt!
@Flounder_V3 Жыл бұрын
Pavlov all the way
@titantanic7255 Жыл бұрын
I just realized you could do a mag slap in contractors, when I was watching the video I was like “aw man, Pavlov can do mag slaps! They’re so lucky, I wish it was in contractors” and I’m a hardcore contractors player and you made me find out about this, making me love contractors even more, thank you.
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
mmmm, mag slap
@circuit11389 ай бұрын
the better thing about pavlov is the player models arent glitchy like the hands in contractors
@theshadysingh Жыл бұрын
Onward>Contractors>Pavlov
@nwpboy2082
Жыл бұрын
@@erimua6578 fr, weapon models look like untextured garbage, same goes for the maps
@TheBestGrapefruitGuy Жыл бұрын
"Big graphics jump" Bro that was a big graphics fall tf you mean?💀 Personally, I prefer Pavlov recoil, it's less realistic, but provides more of a challenge. This part might actually just be skill issue for you. The pavlov reloading feels great to me, Contractors' looks and feels way clunker. Pavlov let's the mag or clip slide in smoothly and the charging handle has a good look and feel. In Contractors, the mag snaps into place, and the charging handle feels lighter than in Pavlov.
@extrasourapple1688
Жыл бұрын
Pavlov fan boy
@TheBestGrapefruitGuy
Жыл бұрын
@@extrasourapple1688 Sorry, who was talking to you?
@extrasourapple1688
Жыл бұрын
@@TheBestGrapefruitGuy this is a public comment section 💀
@TheBestGrapefruitGuy
Жыл бұрын
@@extrasourapple1688 And? I was responding to the points in the video. You're only response to the points I made was "pavlov fanboy". Since you have such a hard time responding to my points, why reply at all?
@extrasourapple1688
Жыл бұрын
@@TheBestGrapefruitGuy cuz you are
@phobosanomaly5383 Жыл бұрын
I just played contractors and i loved the weapons and the ak reload is way better
@shokraven22313 ай бұрын
Why are the bullets in Pavlov hitting exactly on target while the gun is at a 30 degree angle upwards… all the argument we need honestly
@L3THALXFOX Жыл бұрын
The recoil is not realistic at all in pavlov
@Coolturtle959 күн бұрын
The recoil being realistic is very important. Also the mag wouldn't fly out like a cartoon in real life.
@joogled18395 ай бұрын
pavlov is meant to be more like csgo, where you’re rewarded for precision single fire shots. there are other guns like the p90 where recoil is the easiest thing to manage, and still do tons of damage if you’re aiming for vitals. you can basically oneshot anyone without a helmet with the ak, and that’s half the fun and makes it more rewarding.
@Unknown_Nerve6 ай бұрын
“but in a shooter you need more accuracy” tell that to the military
@Brewski3115 ай бұрын
I have both. Been playing Contractors since 2021. Contractors gameplay is smoother, graphics are better, and weapon handling is flawless. It’s a fast pace shooter tho. A lot of run and gunning on smaller maps. The mod community is gigantic. Star Wars: Battlefront mods, Halo mods, Titanfall mods and so much more. You have a physical gunstock calibration option AND you can choose to play sitting down if you wish. I recently bought Pavlov Shack and have been playing it for a few weeks. The gunfights are more intense and very fun and at times seems like a scene from a movie. However this means it takes more bullets to put your enemy down. I dislike when I shoot an enemy in the head and only their helmet flies off while they are still alive. Weapon switching is a pain also as I constantly have to holster my weapon on my back if I want to throw a grenade or switch to pistol. In Contractors when you let go of your weapon it automatically goes back to the FRONT of your body, which is much easier to grasp. the holster mechanic in Pavlov is flawed. There have been countless times where i go to holster my weapon on my back and it ends up on the ground behind me. When I go to reach for it, it’s not there and then I have to turn around and look on the ground for it while multiple enemies are shooting at me. And if you don’t grab your weapon off the ground within 5 seconds IT DISAPPEARS! Another big issue I am having with Pavlov is invisible walls. So many times I go to shoot from behind cover and there are bullet holes just floating in the air inches above from wherever I am taking cover. In order to solve this I have to raise my head higher thus exposing myself to be killed easily. Also there is no physical gunstock calibration option and no sitting to play option in Pavlov. And a another frustrating thing is the sprint mechanic. Sometimes sprint doesn’t even register w the auto sprint option. So many times I am being shot at and go to run away, but instead I slowly walk away if my head is slightly down. Better off just pushing sprint button instead of auto sprint. Pavlov is a lot of fun, but it still needs much improvement. I figured the developers would have fixed all these issues BEFORE charging full price. Pavlov is great, but Contractors is further ahead
@crashbeamng2018 ай бұрын
I have both and personally I like Pavlov's mechanics more, but your points make sense.
@glennpruess69364 ай бұрын
You know what's sad in contractors, they completely got the magazine ammo count for both their bolt action rifles and m1 garand wrong, the m1 only has 7 rounds in the enbloc clip when there are 8 clearly visible, their ww2 bolt actions save for the lee-enfield is wrong in internal magazine capacity, they are 10, when they should be 5 mostly
@feral57 ай бұрын
Onward VR is so weird because the gunplay is FANTASTIC. That said, I have years of experience playing the game and playing with milsim groups in it, and I find myself enjoying Contractors more. Contractors’s modding and gameplay variety is just so much more fun than playing the same meh gamemodes and maps over and over again.
@saitama-fm4igАй бұрын
I have contractors on oculus quest 2, this vid makes me feel better ABT playing contracters
@KingCrimson-rw4xb3 ай бұрын
No seriously the Ak reload is awesome, it feels amazing
@stirrcrazy2704Күн бұрын
I mean the thing about Pavlov’s recoil is that it ISNT all over the place. Every gun has exactly the same recoil pattern, just scaled up or down, so a longtime player can perfectly counteract a gun’s recoil and be accurate with it. Pavlov is a game that is all about long term, experiential skill. Contractors is more about game sense and soft shooter skills in general. In this way, they really are the CS:GO and CoD of VR respectively
@almaavila53496 ай бұрын
You can’t really tell but once you try both you can feel and see that contractors is way better than Pavlov’s reloading
@jaxonvolking197111 ай бұрын
My biggest grape for Pavlov is that the guns don’t collide with their surroundings and other guns/magazines I really want them to fix that
@ZeematesАй бұрын
I agree, the mag smack is horrible in pavlov 😔
@dr_doritotf23054 ай бұрын
Idk, that recoil makes it look weak and the actual sound of the AK in contractors is so generic
@alexhall5370 Жыл бұрын
I think Pavlov’s guns LOOK a lot better and have more detail. Like with handguns in Pavlov with visible hammers like the 1911 or desert eagle, the hammer is actually Back and is de-cocked when there’s no mag in the Gun. However, Contractors’ guns FEEL a lot better and are a lot more fun to shoot and interact with. When reloading guns in Pavlov, it just feels so weightless to reload the guns. And reloading the guns in Pavlov just feels weird. Especially when pushing the slide release on pistols. It looks visibly slow compared to how a slide release functions compared to contractors or even real firearms.
@Beamer-sr7wb16 күн бұрын
The most realistic thing about pavlov is the reloading, and 99 percent of the time real people (not AI) can't even take out the mag with another one in their hand.
@EliasArnn11 ай бұрын
What i love about contractors is that you only let go of the mag when you decide to, in pavlov you automatically lets go of the mag once you insert it into the gun
@JPWKoda29 күн бұрын
Pavlov is an arcade shooter. Contractors is a tactical shooter.
@TazAlonzo7 ай бұрын
Look, the devs of Pavlov we're aiming for counter strike VR. And if you played CS you know that it's guns have recoil patterns you need to learn. However contractors was aiming for Call of Duty VR. Which doesn't have it's recoil so prominent and necessary to learn.
@BLUEDREAMZzYT5 ай бұрын
ik the game is totally different but the way you can reloading, along with gun handling in Vail is crazy good
@Missionpotato4 ай бұрын
Pavlov just feels better and more free when it comes to handling a gun
@reinathefox66005 ай бұрын
That magazine slap sure was something 🦊
@creepercraft9853Ай бұрын
On Pavlov the AK wiggles where the metal meets the wood like real life contractors the gun looks more stiff and less realistic.
@lucio-ohs88286 ай бұрын
Pavlov’s recoil seems more similar to CS, which makes sense since it is pretty much just CS in VR. Its recoil doesn’t make it a worse game.
@hunteraff587211 ай бұрын
Tbh, Pavlov is too figgity. I can’t hit shit because my gun is always sideways. I need a holstering mechanic lol
@indesicive704611 ай бұрын
The stock guns of contractors just feel so small:( otherwise i mostly agree, but Pavlov’s recoil does make for a fun challenge when playing
@craigjonker72452 ай бұрын
Pavlov is more arcade than realism while contractors is realism with some community arcade added
@f1zzy087 ай бұрын
If contractors had a TTT gamemode there would be no need for pavlov. It’s one of if not the most popular game mode in pavlov and in contractors it would be extremely popular.
@user-zn5nj8tf5y2 ай бұрын
Controlling the recoil is as simple as moving your hand down with the gun going up. If you can master that it’s easy
@user-jy5ok9ei4q24 күн бұрын
Bro jizzed when he reloaded
@BigBorgor6 ай бұрын
this guy has NEVER heard of the original pavlov (hes playing pavlov shack)
@thebadlander3608Ай бұрын
Recoil on the AK is accurate asf
@Sir_BredCrumbs2 ай бұрын
Pavlov AK reload is more realistic when reloading normally but contractors just goes straight in
@UnluckySiloVR14 күн бұрын
the straight mag reload:
@blackbirdsax40418 ай бұрын
"The Ak's recoil sucks" Deagle: "Interesting"
@RedMenace020 сағат бұрын
honestly, for me, the jump from pavlov to contractors was a bit weird, contractors has a way dif reloading feel to pavlov that i wasnt a big fan of. pavlov was perfect when it first came out, but contractors is a more modern vr title, and mod support gors crazy in contractors, especially as a cross platform game
@BritishColonist11 күн бұрын
my main issue with contractors reloading is how the mags just snap in place immediately. Pavlov has a mag slide mechanic for this so its not just immediate. don't really like the shooting sounds in either game tbh. i love the item collisions in contractors but i feel it wasn't implemented very well, as it always seems to just get in the way.
@BeachbaIICS Жыл бұрын
People like realistic, it makes it fun when you have gotten the chance to shoot some of those guns in REAL life
@FatherLamb3 ай бұрын
I left pavlov for contractors.. yeah.. looks AMAZING plays smoother better movement the list goes on and on.
@frankgrimes26796 ай бұрын
H3VR puts all these games to shame
@DaPumpkinHead5 ай бұрын
You sound exactly like one of those guys who tries to mansplain Rick and Morty to people and explain why it's "Too sophisticated for the average person."
@pineapple3408 Жыл бұрын
I get there are some differences in these games that might make one better then the other but there is one thing, contractors isn’t free.
@oscarsulaka4867
Жыл бұрын
Worh the moni
@pineapple3408
Жыл бұрын
@@oscarsulaka4867 also worth to learn how to spell lol
@galaxynoob6297
Жыл бұрын
@@pineapple3408 ….I don’t think he was trying…ass hat
@Swattii
Жыл бұрын
Tbh, that's a good thing for Contractors. Being free means attracting all the annoying little kids. Population One and Pavlov are filled to the brim with them, it's like a daycare.
@pineapple3408
Жыл бұрын
@@Swattii I get your point, the game is good, but the feeling of playing something free just feels better Edit I would also like to say this isn’t always true, games like mw2 have kids on it even thought it is rated the same as a fps like Pavlov and contractors. Although it’s less common to see kids it will still happen
@AstroSnake9348 ай бұрын
I haven't played contractors yet but I like both ever since I saw this video
@Mrpopo1795 ай бұрын
Pavlov is just, pavlov. No other way to describe it. But daannggg that contracters game looks pretty awesome
@SpongeFangs01133 ай бұрын
I love the Pavlov realism cuz its more of a nice challange
@Man_With_A_Can2 ай бұрын
Honestly, I love both for what they are, but I would prefer contractors due to it's physics.
@Theshaker35610 ай бұрын
When he puts the mag in the Al on contractors just feels so satisfying
@Bangladesh_Zindabad19719 ай бұрын
Bruh pavlovs free contractors is 20 dollars for a free game pavlov is amazing
@Replyman15 ай бұрын
Well now that Pavlov costs money, I 100% agree
@Raijuo4 ай бұрын
Honestly I’d have to say the best gunplay I’ve come across in VR would be Vail. It just feels so good
@antongaming7429 ай бұрын
Have you never watched aliens? Shoot in small bursts
@hammanvr2823Ай бұрын
The reloading in Pavlov looks exactly the same for contractors
@connormcsheffrey20794 ай бұрын
The guns feel so much better in GoT
@chillywilly42825 ай бұрын
Pavlov is a CS clone so the recoil is supposed to be the ak spray pattern or something similarly severe so as to discourage spraying
@mylesouellette8618Ай бұрын
Love that his reason that Pavlov was worse is because the guns are better
@Kash0914 ай бұрын
love it or hate it onward takes the cake with recoil control
@walter77874 ай бұрын
Pavlov’s sound effects are better imo. Plus, i always hate when guns feel like lasers. The recoil honestly adds to my experience because it takes more skill to hit the target consistently.
@kylejackson-up9cj9 сағат бұрын
onward crying in a corner:
@roachitane9 ай бұрын
It’s almost as if he doesn’t realise that pavlov is essentially counter strike vr, the Ak spray pattern is identical and can be memorised to a T
@Dakyser6 ай бұрын
Now you got to compares tabor's reloads with the rest of the FPSs
@nathangeske95136 ай бұрын
I went back to Pavlov after almost a year of playing contractors and it feels so much worse, the recoil feels like it’s coming from only the firing hand
@bup34935 ай бұрын
The only thing that’s makes me not like Pavlov is having to use the trigger to grip a mag rather than the actual grip button.
@bobplaysstuff1758 ай бұрын
Also btw it’s all about that Pavlov shack is free and onward and contractors and all those cost money so you gotta think too their not gonna spend like 50k dollars just to make reloading nicer
Пікірлер: 1 000
It all comes down to personal preference. Pavlov's gunplay is more suited for Pavlov's gameplay. Like onward gunplay to gameplay.
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
love this comment, thank you
@macvadda2318
Жыл бұрын
Ngl i feel like contractors gunplay in pavlov would be interesting
@SpecialOperator
Жыл бұрын
It is personal preference but it's obvious Cotractors has better and more advanced mechanics and has actual weapon physics. Pavlov is too arcade-y
@djtbriggle
7 ай бұрын
@@SpecialOperatordon’t get how people say this it feels the complete opposite. Pavlov feels real and gritty contractors feels like one of them cheap arcade shooters
@3cheeseshigh
6 ай бұрын
@@AureusVRyou sound like moist critical
Bro bashed pavlov for being realistic and unrealistic at the same time
@Randomlad56
10 ай бұрын
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t
@peedeegt
4 ай бұрын
This guy is a douche. Clearly never fired a weapon so has no idea about the mechanics of one 😂
@Major_nutt
4 ай бұрын
Bc these games aren't supposed to be incredibly realistic, but some parts need to be in vr fps games
@gayfurryfemboyy
2 ай бұрын
Yeah but recoil means when your shooting straight and you end up aiming down while the guns pointing straight
@gianni9192
Ай бұрын
@@Major_nuttI mean, I'm sure the people making the game would know what it's supposed to be. Buying a game doesn't suddenly entitle you to say what it should or shouldn't be. I tend to prefer when people take a unique or less popular approach to doing something. Creativity over conformity.
The recoil is a big skill issue
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
nuh uh
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
@@P.I.N.K.S got me there
@CaptainCupcake1286
Жыл бұрын
You could use simulated stock it is so much better for recoil
@nugo344
Жыл бұрын
@@AureusVR yuh uh, you are supposed to force the gun down
@SpecialOperator
Жыл бұрын
It's not about the recoil, It's about what looks and feels better. Pavlov is too arcadey
I definitely prefer the challenge of the heavier recoil in Pavlov
@jaredflynn3750
Жыл бұрын
@random yt gamer in pavlov yes they have different recoil patterns for the different guns to keep the game balanced admittedly its a bit exaggerated for gameplay reasons
@jaredflynn3750
Жыл бұрын
@random yt gamer I mean if you aim your gun at something and then just hold down the trigger you will see the muzzle of the gun go up because of the recoil and you'll see the bullets start to Trail upwards if you don't actively fight against the recoil so I don't know how you didn't notice unless you only use semi auto weapons at close quarters or something
@jaredflynn3750
Жыл бұрын
@random yt gamer that's really weird to me especially since Pavlov has the most intense recoil of literally any VR shooter everything else there's like barely anything
@jaredflynn3750
Жыл бұрын
@random yt gamer i guess to be fair i do use a haptic gunstock so its something that I'm naturally more aware of with the gunstock physically simulating the recoil too lol
@Godzillaforlyfe2
11 ай бұрын
the dude’s comments disappeared and it looks like you’re just talking to yourself
This comment section is so wholesome wtf? I thought people would be ripping apart this dude and arguing about why reloading a gun in vr is better here than there.
@thebear2950
Жыл бұрын
Shut up I hate you now
@user-om2xs3xn6j
10 ай бұрын
Oops was I not supposed to
I’m the opposite. I despise how the mag just snaps in in contractors. That alone is enough for me to prefer Pavlov
@ZeeTheEpic
10 ай бұрын
same except i hate the noises and the recoil with the guns plus there arent many gun to choose from (atleast from my perspective)
@0xxgodlyshadowxx015
9 ай бұрын
@@ZeeTheEpictalking about pavlov or contractors?
@ZeeTheEpic
9 ай бұрын
@@0xxgodlyshadowxx015 contractors
@AdzzVR
Ай бұрын
THIS!!! Coming from Pavlov to contractors. The reloading is subpar. Its literally snaps like an animation the moment the mag is near the gun. It doesn’t seem to physically wait for me to actually insert the mag.
@ivanthehunter3530
Ай бұрын
I didn't think straight insertion ak mags could hurt me, but then i saw contractors.
You know what's better though? Hotdogs Horshoes and Hand Grenades
@JeweledSpace93
Жыл бұрын
Pavlov
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
truuuee
@Potatoonfloor
Жыл бұрын
True
@MorbyLol
Жыл бұрын
@@JeweledSpace93 onward is a bit more compie though, sometimes I just wanna pop a headset on and shoot baddies and not thing like an army veteran
@MorbyLol
Жыл бұрын
If h3 had multiplayer it would be godly
Eh I disagree. Pavlov’s guns are more interactive and the models are LEAGUES better that contractors. In the terms of details, scale, etc. Secondly the reloads in pavlov are more realistic in the since that the mag doesn’t snap in instead you have to put effort into pushing the mag in. Thus feels more satisfying to do. Its up to personal preference because pavlov plays very different to contractors. The guns in pav kick WAY harder than contractors thus encouraging less reckless sprays. Very similar to CSGO Contractors is literally CoD vr so its arcadey recoil pattern suits the game well. Perfect for run and gun.
@Tempest_plays
Жыл бұрын
Broski contractors has cod maps 💀 💀
@nugo344
Жыл бұрын
Man is spitting facts
@nugo344
Жыл бұрын
@@Tempest_plays pavlov has infinite possibilities for maps 💀💀
@oscarsulaka4867
Жыл бұрын
@@nugo344 every game has infinite community content
@tortinofevergaming3645
Жыл бұрын
@@oscarsulaka4867 true
In my opinion I like Pavlov more
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
i respect your opinion
@Apinkmangg
6 ай бұрын
Do you have both
Bro wants a realistic shooter but is mad when an ak doesn’t completely beam in a straight line
@TrainWayneStudios
Жыл бұрын
He wasn’t mad, he even stated how it’s realistic to have that high kick in an AK. Just simply said in a actual fps game it makes it not fun..
@mayonnaise3959
Жыл бұрын
@@TrainWayneStudios how is that a good critical exactly?
@galaxynoob6297
Жыл бұрын
Oh boy you suck
@ChipKaffmen
Жыл бұрын
@@galaxynoob6297 you're autistic like you're sister who doesn't know how to use chop sticks
@PrezTheDude
9 ай бұрын
because everyone would be kinda uncomfortable in a one to one realistic firefight situation@@mayonnaise3959
People would be dropping like flys if Pavlov had contractors gunplay I would actually play that tbh
@spacedout4061
11 ай бұрын
Well the contractors mods are what carries
Yeah but like we can all agree that shooters on VR are pretty dope
*laughs in ghosts of tabor*
@evenlock2524
9 ай бұрын
ghosts of tabor 🔛🔝
@Juicy54
7 ай бұрын
Yessir
@juju-209
7 ай бұрын
Bro GOT is not at all the same unless your comparing shooting
@Juicy54
7 ай бұрын
It has more precision and you have to be careful where you put the mag in order to properly reload
@JadwinManuel
2 ай бұрын
Mag palming!!!
The biggest difference I've noticed is that the mag slap in Contractors VR actually flies out more. In Pavlov VR, it just falls down like nothing.
@AbsoluteRatBastard
Жыл бұрын
I hope they fix that and make the mag fly out depending on how hard you slap it
@Swattii
Жыл бұрын
@@AbsoluteRatBastard Agreed. Reloading in Pavlov VR feels janky at times, especially with the animations that play out through reloading. I understand why it's there though so people won't reload within a millisecond.
@ItsDeepIy
8 ай бұрын
its called "gravity" life isn't meant to be satisfying, it's meant to keep up with it's laws of physics.
@Swattii
8 ай бұрын
@@ItsDeepIy Didn't ask, idiot. Plus, it's a game.
@Noober666
2 ай бұрын
@@ItsDeepIythere are no mag physics or at least they’re broken because you can hit it hard and it’ll just fall
so this can be summarized with skill issue
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
yeah
@user-om4hi4rf2t
2 ай бұрын
Womp womp
This is the kind of guy that gets kicked out of the gun range for shooting the ceiling.
You need to remember that pavlov is a game, and just like in CSGO there are spray patterns which takes many hours to master, and takes skill. And personally i believe pavlov’s graphics are better and thats subjective. The mag slap both seem similar, its just that contractors has more physics and collisions.
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
finally a good comment that isnt just "skill issue"
@Swattii
Жыл бұрын
Contractors VR has spray patterns too. They're just more straight forward and easier to control. Pavlov VR graphics are way better than Contractor VR and that isn't subjective, it's objective.
Yeah but pavlov is free on oculus and contractor isnt
@ceelt
Жыл бұрын
Pavlov shack and Pavlov are different lmao
@FunkelMcStump
Жыл бұрын
What that i smell… Is it… *COPE*
@Tommydoestuff
Жыл бұрын
@@FunkelMcStump cope?
@FunkelMcStump
Жыл бұрын
@@Tommydoestuff cope
@zaciscool3621
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that doesn’t reflect to quality of the game the guns and reloads are the same as on pc which is paid so cope ( also I think pavlov is a way better game than contractors but the mods make the game so much better and contractors has a fal so thats a win in my book)
boneworks reloading is crazy fun though...
Pavlov for the "Win" button ---->
*complains about the Pavlov reloading mechanics that are the exact same on contractors*
@Noober666
2 ай бұрын
Someone that’s never played contractors
People forget this man is comparing reloading and gunplay, So many ppl say “its free” “bro forgot its free” istg
I prefer the feeling of Pavlov’s AK. Contractors really lacks emphasis of the punchiness like you’re shooting a rifle, ala the sounds and recoil, and I personally hate a lot of the default grip offsets for the guns in Contractors. All the ones in Pavlov feel more natural where my hands should be placed when aiming down sights and when I switch to other games like Breachers or Bonelabs they all share a more similar offset to Pavlov which makes them easy to switch between playing as opposed to contractors where I feel I’m extending my arm gripping the handle near the barrel more to the right and feels off for me. I personally don’t use the virtual stock option in any VR FPS since it pretty much does that same thing and I can’t hold my guns sideways if I don’t necessarily want to use a scope for ADSing. If you don’t agree try equipping the MP7 without a gunstock/virtual stock option and holding that it feels so awkward to hold.
Pavlov is 🔛🔝 If the recoil is "all over the place" then control it, have bad aim? Get good. Doesnt matter if the mechanics feel better when pavlov's perspective if driven to being a skill based shooter
I just think that the weapon handling is supposed to more like CSGO in Pavlov, since that is what it’s made after. But contractors is more of a call of duty, so they are definitely going to be different.
@zaciscool3621
Жыл бұрын
Yeah the guns in pavlov are more accurate to the real guns, i say it simulates firing and operating the gun way better than contractors, a good example of this would be the m4 in pavlov you can hit the bolt release when ever you want but in contractors only when the next mag is put in like I know that is probably better for a gameplays stand point but as a huge gun nerd I prefer pavlov’s guns more.
@TheOrangeRoad
8 ай бұрын
I play CS exclusively on pc, but I prefer contractors for vr
Oh btw contractors has physics too
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
It adds a lot when playing now and that's my main thing with VR shooters, everything feels so weightless but now it feels fine
@Ballssniffer600
Жыл бұрын
@@AureusVR and the new update makes cool reloads with the m4a1 if you change a empty mag press b so you can do it like the m4a1 at pavlov
Pavlov:regular mag slap “ew” Contractors:same exact thing “much better”
I just started playing this last night and I'm already in love with it
I MISS PAVLOV SO MUCH MY CONTROLLER BROKE SO NOW I CANT MOVE RIGHt!
Pavlov all the way
I just realized you could do a mag slap in contractors, when I was watching the video I was like “aw man, Pavlov can do mag slaps! They’re so lucky, I wish it was in contractors” and I’m a hardcore contractors player and you made me find out about this, making me love contractors even more, thank you.
@AureusVR
Жыл бұрын
mmmm, mag slap
the better thing about pavlov is the player models arent glitchy like the hands in contractors
Onward>Contractors>Pavlov
@nwpboy2082
Жыл бұрын
@@erimua6578 fr, weapon models look like untextured garbage, same goes for the maps
"Big graphics jump" Bro that was a big graphics fall tf you mean?💀 Personally, I prefer Pavlov recoil, it's less realistic, but provides more of a challenge. This part might actually just be skill issue for you. The pavlov reloading feels great to me, Contractors' looks and feels way clunker. Pavlov let's the mag or clip slide in smoothly and the charging handle has a good look and feel. In Contractors, the mag snaps into place, and the charging handle feels lighter than in Pavlov.
@extrasourapple1688
Жыл бұрын
Pavlov fan boy
@TheBestGrapefruitGuy
Жыл бұрын
@@extrasourapple1688 Sorry, who was talking to you?
@extrasourapple1688
Жыл бұрын
@@TheBestGrapefruitGuy this is a public comment section 💀
@TheBestGrapefruitGuy
Жыл бұрын
@@extrasourapple1688 And? I was responding to the points in the video. You're only response to the points I made was "pavlov fanboy". Since you have such a hard time responding to my points, why reply at all?
@extrasourapple1688
Жыл бұрын
@@TheBestGrapefruitGuy cuz you are
I just played contractors and i loved the weapons and the ak reload is way better
Why are the bullets in Pavlov hitting exactly on target while the gun is at a 30 degree angle upwards… all the argument we need honestly
The recoil is not realistic at all in pavlov
The recoil being realistic is very important. Also the mag wouldn't fly out like a cartoon in real life.
pavlov is meant to be more like csgo, where you’re rewarded for precision single fire shots. there are other guns like the p90 where recoil is the easiest thing to manage, and still do tons of damage if you’re aiming for vitals. you can basically oneshot anyone without a helmet with the ak, and that’s half the fun and makes it more rewarding.
“but in a shooter you need more accuracy” tell that to the military
I have both. Been playing Contractors since 2021. Contractors gameplay is smoother, graphics are better, and weapon handling is flawless. It’s a fast pace shooter tho. A lot of run and gunning on smaller maps. The mod community is gigantic. Star Wars: Battlefront mods, Halo mods, Titanfall mods and so much more. You have a physical gunstock calibration option AND you can choose to play sitting down if you wish. I recently bought Pavlov Shack and have been playing it for a few weeks. The gunfights are more intense and very fun and at times seems like a scene from a movie. However this means it takes more bullets to put your enemy down. I dislike when I shoot an enemy in the head and only their helmet flies off while they are still alive. Weapon switching is a pain also as I constantly have to holster my weapon on my back if I want to throw a grenade or switch to pistol. In Contractors when you let go of your weapon it automatically goes back to the FRONT of your body, which is much easier to grasp. the holster mechanic in Pavlov is flawed. There have been countless times where i go to holster my weapon on my back and it ends up on the ground behind me. When I go to reach for it, it’s not there and then I have to turn around and look on the ground for it while multiple enemies are shooting at me. And if you don’t grab your weapon off the ground within 5 seconds IT DISAPPEARS! Another big issue I am having with Pavlov is invisible walls. So many times I go to shoot from behind cover and there are bullet holes just floating in the air inches above from wherever I am taking cover. In order to solve this I have to raise my head higher thus exposing myself to be killed easily. Also there is no physical gunstock calibration option and no sitting to play option in Pavlov. And a another frustrating thing is the sprint mechanic. Sometimes sprint doesn’t even register w the auto sprint option. So many times I am being shot at and go to run away, but instead I slowly walk away if my head is slightly down. Better off just pushing sprint button instead of auto sprint. Pavlov is a lot of fun, but it still needs much improvement. I figured the developers would have fixed all these issues BEFORE charging full price. Pavlov is great, but Contractors is further ahead
I have both and personally I like Pavlov's mechanics more, but your points make sense.
You know what's sad in contractors, they completely got the magazine ammo count for both their bolt action rifles and m1 garand wrong, the m1 only has 7 rounds in the enbloc clip when there are 8 clearly visible, their ww2 bolt actions save for the lee-enfield is wrong in internal magazine capacity, they are 10, when they should be 5 mostly
Onward VR is so weird because the gunplay is FANTASTIC. That said, I have years of experience playing the game and playing with milsim groups in it, and I find myself enjoying Contractors more. Contractors’s modding and gameplay variety is just so much more fun than playing the same meh gamemodes and maps over and over again.
I have contractors on oculus quest 2, this vid makes me feel better ABT playing contracters
No seriously the Ak reload is awesome, it feels amazing
I mean the thing about Pavlov’s recoil is that it ISNT all over the place. Every gun has exactly the same recoil pattern, just scaled up or down, so a longtime player can perfectly counteract a gun’s recoil and be accurate with it. Pavlov is a game that is all about long term, experiential skill. Contractors is more about game sense and soft shooter skills in general. In this way, they really are the CS:GO and CoD of VR respectively
You can’t really tell but once you try both you can feel and see that contractors is way better than Pavlov’s reloading
My biggest grape for Pavlov is that the guns don’t collide with their surroundings and other guns/magazines I really want them to fix that
I agree, the mag smack is horrible in pavlov 😔
Idk, that recoil makes it look weak and the actual sound of the AK in contractors is so generic
I think Pavlov’s guns LOOK a lot better and have more detail. Like with handguns in Pavlov with visible hammers like the 1911 or desert eagle, the hammer is actually Back and is de-cocked when there’s no mag in the Gun. However, Contractors’ guns FEEL a lot better and are a lot more fun to shoot and interact with. When reloading guns in Pavlov, it just feels so weightless to reload the guns. And reloading the guns in Pavlov just feels weird. Especially when pushing the slide release on pistols. It looks visibly slow compared to how a slide release functions compared to contractors or even real firearms.
The most realistic thing about pavlov is the reloading, and 99 percent of the time real people (not AI) can't even take out the mag with another one in their hand.
What i love about contractors is that you only let go of the mag when you decide to, in pavlov you automatically lets go of the mag once you insert it into the gun
Pavlov is an arcade shooter. Contractors is a tactical shooter.
Look, the devs of Pavlov we're aiming for counter strike VR. And if you played CS you know that it's guns have recoil patterns you need to learn. However contractors was aiming for Call of Duty VR. Which doesn't have it's recoil so prominent and necessary to learn.
ik the game is totally different but the way you can reloading, along with gun handling in Vail is crazy good
Pavlov just feels better and more free when it comes to handling a gun
That magazine slap sure was something 🦊
On Pavlov the AK wiggles where the metal meets the wood like real life contractors the gun looks more stiff and less realistic.
Pavlov’s recoil seems more similar to CS, which makes sense since it is pretty much just CS in VR. Its recoil doesn’t make it a worse game.
Tbh, Pavlov is too figgity. I can’t hit shit because my gun is always sideways. I need a holstering mechanic lol
The stock guns of contractors just feel so small:( otherwise i mostly agree, but Pavlov’s recoil does make for a fun challenge when playing
Pavlov is more arcade than realism while contractors is realism with some community arcade added
If contractors had a TTT gamemode there would be no need for pavlov. It’s one of if not the most popular game mode in pavlov and in contractors it would be extremely popular.
Controlling the recoil is as simple as moving your hand down with the gun going up. If you can master that it’s easy
Bro jizzed when he reloaded
this guy has NEVER heard of the original pavlov (hes playing pavlov shack)
Recoil on the AK is accurate asf
Pavlov AK reload is more realistic when reloading normally but contractors just goes straight in
the straight mag reload:
"The Ak's recoil sucks" Deagle: "Interesting"
honestly, for me, the jump from pavlov to contractors was a bit weird, contractors has a way dif reloading feel to pavlov that i wasnt a big fan of. pavlov was perfect when it first came out, but contractors is a more modern vr title, and mod support gors crazy in contractors, especially as a cross platform game
my main issue with contractors reloading is how the mags just snap in place immediately. Pavlov has a mag slide mechanic for this so its not just immediate. don't really like the shooting sounds in either game tbh. i love the item collisions in contractors but i feel it wasn't implemented very well, as it always seems to just get in the way.
People like realistic, it makes it fun when you have gotten the chance to shoot some of those guns in REAL life
I left pavlov for contractors.. yeah.. looks AMAZING plays smoother better movement the list goes on and on.
H3VR puts all these games to shame
You sound exactly like one of those guys who tries to mansplain Rick and Morty to people and explain why it's "Too sophisticated for the average person."
I get there are some differences in these games that might make one better then the other but there is one thing, contractors isn’t free.
@oscarsulaka4867
Жыл бұрын
Worh the moni
@pineapple3408
Жыл бұрын
@@oscarsulaka4867 also worth to learn how to spell lol
@galaxynoob6297
Жыл бұрын
@@pineapple3408 ….I don’t think he was trying…ass hat
@Swattii
Жыл бұрын
Tbh, that's a good thing for Contractors. Being free means attracting all the annoying little kids. Population One and Pavlov are filled to the brim with them, it's like a daycare.
@pineapple3408
Жыл бұрын
@@Swattii I get your point, the game is good, but the feeling of playing something free just feels better Edit I would also like to say this isn’t always true, games like mw2 have kids on it even thought it is rated the same as a fps like Pavlov and contractors. Although it’s less common to see kids it will still happen
I haven't played contractors yet but I like both ever since I saw this video
Pavlov is just, pavlov. No other way to describe it. But daannggg that contracters game looks pretty awesome
I love the Pavlov realism cuz its more of a nice challange
Honestly, I love both for what they are, but I would prefer contractors due to it's physics.
When he puts the mag in the Al on contractors just feels so satisfying
Bruh pavlovs free contractors is 20 dollars for a free game pavlov is amazing
Well now that Pavlov costs money, I 100% agree
Honestly I’d have to say the best gunplay I’ve come across in VR would be Vail. It just feels so good
Have you never watched aliens? Shoot in small bursts
The reloading in Pavlov looks exactly the same for contractors
The guns feel so much better in GoT
Pavlov is a CS clone so the recoil is supposed to be the ak spray pattern or something similarly severe so as to discourage spraying
Love that his reason that Pavlov was worse is because the guns are better
love it or hate it onward takes the cake with recoil control
Pavlov’s sound effects are better imo. Plus, i always hate when guns feel like lasers. The recoil honestly adds to my experience because it takes more skill to hit the target consistently.
onward crying in a corner:
It’s almost as if he doesn’t realise that pavlov is essentially counter strike vr, the Ak spray pattern is identical and can be memorised to a T
Now you got to compares tabor's reloads with the rest of the FPSs
I went back to Pavlov after almost a year of playing contractors and it feels so much worse, the recoil feels like it’s coming from only the firing hand
The only thing that’s makes me not like Pavlov is having to use the trigger to grip a mag rather than the actual grip button.
Also btw it’s all about that Pavlov shack is free and onward and contractors and all those cost money so you gotta think too their not gonna spend like 50k dollars just to make reloading nicer