It is so sad that while Karen was supposed to mourn she was called a murderer

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

@@patriciaspiers1574 exactly!, how long was she in shock? Did the hospital medicate her? Why do they expect her to look sad and broken in court? I’d be angry as hell because there is no evidence much less proof that she did this

@patriciaspiers1574

11 күн бұрын

@@spitfirenana1234 please look at Going through the motions (the podcaster) under the heading one night of booze and violence

I don't think the O'Keefe family have liked Karen from the start of John and Karen's relationship.

@silvermoonbaby5622

11 күн бұрын

I heard OJO's dad wanted to sit with the Read family inside the courtroom but was not allowed because he believes Karen is being framed. However, the mom did not like Karen before this happened and now has an excuse to hate her more.

@LinTrueCrimeProject

11 күн бұрын

@@silvermoonbaby5622 the father seems to be the only one who has any sense in his head

@Breezy1702

11 күн бұрын

This case is such a cover paul needs to take the blinders off he just hates Karen with no evidence

@silvermoonbaby5622

11 күн бұрын

@@LinTrueCrimeProject he also can't seem to stand being in the courtroom whenever he was there but he also does not seem to look well. He seems to doze off when Lally speaks but who can blame him.

@ot7553

11 күн бұрын

Agree, they think that John was too much for Karen especially with her health problems. Everyone who was around John felt jealous of Karen

I agree with you. In my mind Jen McCabe was jealous of Karen and put this all in place. When it came out in court that the Alberts and the other LE on Fairview Street had no security cameras I knew something was wrong. I know a lot of LE and they are the most security conscious folks I know. They want to be in control, no way their personal homes are unsecure and camera-less. I believe there was street footage from some house on that street at some point.

@kaymusictaylor7214

10 күн бұрын

Many, many of the witnesses were very jealous of Karen Reed

@ivannio8519

10 күн бұрын

@@kaymusictaylor7214 Its called "up-snobbing" You hate those who have more luck than yourself ;)

@MotherOfVincentLePew

8 күн бұрын

Deffo! There would be footage ... somewhere! & How about not going out to see what's happening on your lawn!- I'm so nosey; I'd be out like a shot!...

I did the exact same thing as you did. I kept hearing about this Free Karen Read movement and I decided I needed to find out what it was all about. I went into the trial completely open to finding out the truth of the matter and I also concluded that Karen did not do this. It is scary to think you could decide someone's guilt based solely on your perception of how they are acting

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

@@jennywight9119 and they determined she was guilty after listening to Jenn McCabe! That is ridiculous but not one photo of this tail light busted to hell says it all

@primalcritters

11 күн бұрын

Right there with you. I walked in blind and just assumed Karen was guilty. Then I started hearing the evidence and boy was I wrong. I could go on and on and on but I have plenty of life experience with polycarbonate, dogs, and dog bites, iOS code, and medicine because I work at a level 1 trauma Center in Los angeles. John was killed in a physical altercation involving men and a dog.

@Nielak-dg8nj

8 күн бұрын

@@primalcritters I'm the same way. Except when I hear words like conspiracy or framed, I just naturally assume people should go get their tin foil hats. If they think she is guilty the most compelling evidence is Jen saying that she killed him. Personally I think that is bs, if the car and his body don't have evidence, she is innocent. I about died laughing when the prosecution changed it's theory of how she killed him 5 times during the course of the trial. The last one during his closing was funniest of all, apparently gravity stopped working at the time of the murder, or she is a Jedi. I have to assume if this guy wasn't a cop she would of been found not guilty already. That has to be what 1 or 2 jurors thought, someone to be punished for killing a cop.

Karen in that family status clearly stated, “babysitter.”

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

Sadly that says a lot about OJO

American Nana I just can't understand why the O'Keefe family will not entertain the idea that it could be anyone else but Karen Read. As you said there is just no evidence to even suggest it was her. #JusticeforKaren Read #JusticeforJohnO'Keefe

@LinTrueCrimeProject

11 күн бұрын

it's the mother, they don't want to go against her

@stellabythesea1492

10 күн бұрын

Paul OKeefe said KRs behavior after coming back from the hospital was strange. She wanted to go home, didn't say much and said something strange to Paul's wife on the phone on her way home to Dighton. There is an interview with Paul OK on KZread.

We share the same viewpoints. I think Jen “Miss Busybody” McCabe (god I can’t stand that woman) is the reason Karen got blamed, attacked, and charged in the first place. She laid it all out, not well as she thought though. But Jen is so good at what she does that she had the O’Keefes fooled and gaslit from the morning Karen found John’s body. Paul’s anger is grossly misplaced, but it was his refusal to admit to scientific evidence and lack thereof, the ME’s report, the testimony of the accident reconstruction experts, and even Lucky’s! At this point, I think Paul chooses to believe Proctor and the monsters responsible for his brother’s death because he’s afraid to confront the McAlberts. It’s clear as day they were involved, but he’d rather cowardly hate Karen for leaving John at the house party than the actual people that took his brother’s life there.

@evelynmahoney3569

11 күн бұрын

@Evelyn-minoux I really feel for the o'Keefe family grieving the loss of their loved one and wanting justice. Isn't is just like Jen McCabe to manipulate this family at a time of immense tragedy, taking advantage of their vulnerability for the sole benefit of herself and the rest of the players in this Peyton Place murder. Feeding them a bunch of lies, selling them a twisted bill of goods. Eventually they're going to have to navigate finding out not only that they'd been duped by Jen, but also that it was none other than Ms. McCabe, herself, who finished John off. The one at their side this whole time, pretending to be their helpful friend. The realization is going to be a tough one for them, after everything else. It seems so unfair. Per her 2:27 AM Google search, she knew what the plan was for John. Pretending to help Karen "look for him?" She knew exactly where he was. Her whole purpose was to keep Karen away from 34 Fairview so the guys had time to put him out on the lawn, cleanup the evidence in the house, AND to keep her away as long as possible . . . long enough for him "to die in the cold." Jen knew just how long that would take from her Google search results. That why she insisted on the three of them going back to John's house to search from him, delaying going by Fairview for as long as possible. Picture that. Knowing he's laying out there dieing, stalling for time, probably checking her watch and calculating if she'd delayed Karen long enough that he'd be dead when they "found" him or close enough to death that there would be no chance of saving him.

@Davidsgirl-wu3bc

11 күн бұрын

Well said!!

@silvermoonbaby5622

11 күн бұрын

I felt the evil and disgust coming through my TV screen when she was testifying. She's very scary.

@Evelyn-minoux

11 күн бұрын

@@silvermoonbaby5622 Omg I found her scary too. She was scarier to me than Brian Albert.

@Shaner373

10 күн бұрын

@@silvermoonbaby5622 you'd be mad too if people were falsely accusing you and your family

He spent 8 weeks bent over, appearing to listen intently to all that was said during the trial. And yet not a question arised in his mind, not a shred of doubt. Same implacable face throughout. Either he's braindead, or he has opportunistically sided with the good old boys. Of which, by the way, his brother most likely was one, considering the kind of people he was associated with!!

@karliann1

11 күн бұрын

Yes. Key word here"opportunistic"

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

Agree 😎

Excellent commentary, you speak to much of my own thoughts regarding this trial and Paul O'Keefes interview. I too base my opinion on the trial, going in as a jury with no previous outside influence. The facts speak for themself. It would appear Paul has to do some serious mental gymnastics and gaslighting in order to stick to his dogmatic and scurrilous beliefs. As you say standing by the likes of Proctor as well as the rest of them, speaks to his character and motive or lack there of for true justice for his brother. Also I think he needs to be very careful with this campaign he's on as he could possibly end up facing a libel suit. My heart does go out to the O'Keefes, but not to the detriment of truth. I hope one day they will find truth, justice and peace.

What I don’t understand is after watching the trial no one had anything really bad to say about her She doesn’t come off as a killer. The mother of John blamed her from the beginning for leaving him there. I think that is why she said what she did and left. Also everyone grieves differently maybe she just wanted to leave to grieve

@BlackStump172

11 күн бұрын

By the end of the trial , I thought that Karen was a kind and generous person . John changed to a selfish , user , player and gaslighter - in my mind . Karen was in an abusive relationship .

I was stunned by Paul O’Keefe’s interview. He can still think Karen is guilty while at the same time think the investigation into his brother’s death was ridiculously flawed and subpar. I started laughing when he said he felt that AG Levy and DOJ was “interfering”. I nearly fell off my chair as he was talking about Proctor. You can tell Paul feels bad and thinks this guy life was ruined because of Karen. What???? This is crazy. At the end of the day. Paul had a good lawsuit against the Commonwealth for the way they handled his brother’s investigation and he just literally kissed that goodbye when he said “I think they did a good job considering the weather conditions at the time.” Wow. Just wow.

@BFlaherty325

11 күн бұрын

And for the record, Karen Read is innocent.

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

Agree 💯

@ivannio8519

10 күн бұрын

He is not very clever! Could he be payed off???

American Nana - you and I live a world apart (UK resident & child of immigrant parents), but I came across your video. I too watched the trial with no preconceptions or detailed knowledge of the history of it all. I really like how respectfully you voiced your opinions in this and found myself agreeing with everything you said. ❤

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

@@MG-ul1lh Thank you so much! I tried to be careful as I mean no offense but Paul O”Keefe defending the ones that have the answers and Proctor - I have a very special family in the UK so I know the word that see you next Tuesday isn’t bad in the UK in the USA it’s one of the most detestable words - I myself have never ever used it but a LEO should not have those thoughts much less gossip with all folks defending a piece of garbage was not a good look. Then trying to say it’s because he knew she killed a Boston Police officer but in fact he had NO Evidence of this he only had the story he was told

@MG-ul1lh

10 күн бұрын

​@spitfirenana1234 I rewatched Seargent Buchenik and Trooper Proctor's testimony this weekend. How some of the jury could get past their complete failure to investigate, let alone the disrespectful misogynistic messages between all of them is completely beyond me. Listening to them again - I'm even more disgusted by the prosecution office bringing this to trial.

@MG-ul1lh

10 күн бұрын

​@@spitfirenana1234Don't get me started on Judge Cannone! 😉

@spitfirenana1234

10 күн бұрын

@@MG-ul1lh I plan to rewatch and dissect a lot of the trial because of Paul O’Keefe how can he NOT see but then again he said she’s guilty simply because he thinks so due to her actions so why wouldn’t he think a solid case is based on Jenn McCabe and what two other people heard her say “I killed him?” In her mind she left him there and he is dead what person wouldn’t think they caused the issue? Making sense? Who would make sense then?

@MG-ul1lh

10 күн бұрын

​@@spitfirenana1234❤

I also watched the entire trial with no idea about what it was about and also came to the same conclusion as you. While waiting for the verdict, I had to research how this case even went to trial. I could not believe the amount of buttdials, red solo cups, magic hair, taillights revealing itself, inconsistent witness statements, missing and late reports, missing and corrupted surveillance footage, and then Troopers Proctor and Paul were just cherries on a cowpie case of the prosecution. I watched Attorney Melanie Little's coverage of the pre-trial motions and I was in shock and horror. I am happy I do not live in Canton.

@Davidsgirl-wu3bc

11 күн бұрын

Melanie Little's coverage of this is Awesome!!

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

@@Davidsgirl-wu3bc I plan to watch Melonie’s coverage now that the trial is over ❤️

@ruthwarde6057

11 күн бұрын

Yes Melanie Little’s coverage is brilliant!

@silvermoonbaby5622

11 күн бұрын

Love Melanie Little for all the pre-trial stuff and Mark Bederow for his daily commentary. The other legal analysts on youtube who watched the trial without knowing much of the pre-trial shenanigans ended up with Not Guilty verdicts as well (Andrea Burkhart, LegalBytes, Runkle of the Bailey, Emily D Baker, Lawyer You Know, Defense Diaries).

@silvermoonbaby5622

11 күн бұрын

@@Davidsgirl-wu3bc I watched the trial on EDB but then when I found out about the pre-trial stuff I had to watch Melanie's livestreams. I love her sassiness without the cursey words. It takes a lot of wordsmith skills to convey disgust and disapproval without using colorful language.

The evidence clearly determines no vehicle injuries. I know his family is hurt losing him but they should want the truth not just blaming Karen

Thank you American Nana! You are very wise and are much appreciated.❤

I Think they planned on blaming the plow truck until Jen McCabe came up with blaming karen do to the tail light crack..

@LinTrueCrimeProject

11 күн бұрын

exactly!

@Bibba2727

11 күн бұрын

I agree, bet they’re wishing they’d stuck with that plan

@user-gs6fo5qd2w

11 күн бұрын

DITTO

@McQuizzical

11 күн бұрын

I agree

@kellyc8686

11 күн бұрын

Yup I've always said that too

Guys, did you notice that Jenn didn’t get closer to John that morning? She was circling around the car and trying to be as far as possible from his body

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

Absolutely but wow not going into the house for help says so very much

@primalcritters

11 күн бұрын

Distancing herself

@ot7553

10 күн бұрын

@@primalcritters and fear

@ot7553

10 күн бұрын

@@spitfirenana1234 thing that struck me that the Albert door was open and she didn’t se the dog

Karen was still in shock, it's not unusual that she would reach out to the people closest to her, namely her parents. I am speculating, but how hard is it to believe that she never felt fully accepted by Paul and his extended family? It seems to me they offered little comfort and understanding to Karen, and when they quickly believed the worst about her, how would any normal person respond to the shock, grief, and false accusations she was experiencing? Sadly, Paul O'Keefe has burned into his mind what he's chosen to believe and will never allow any contrary thought to be given any consideration. It truly is sad how he's allowed the tragic and unproven death of his brother to consume his own life. He's not actually seeking justice for his brother, he's seeking vengeance at any and all cost, going so far as to falsely accuse Karen based on his feelings alone. The evidence presented at the trial convincingly demonstrated the SUV did not strike his brother, but those facts must be rejected since they do not conform to his feelings. He's so close-minded that you have to wonder if he attended the trial to hear the evidence or if he was there only to torture Karen, day after day. Sadly, I think the latter.

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

Thank you for your opinions 😎

shock and terrooor. Jen is so manipulative, she hyped KR with 'is he at a womens house? did you hit him, you're so drunk you dont remember?!?Jen is a monster that walks among us. I also watched the whole trial, I'm thinking that the jury, and Paul, dont have the intelligence to comprehend? It is soooo obvious to some of us, but they just cannot understand the big words, beyond 'stuff'. Yea TP and TP and all the rest, its like criminals with the authority to abuse us, its terrifying. They are monsters too. I think KR felt natural guilt as part of her shock and grieving. If only she hadnt dropped him off, if only she had gone with him.... she just needed to go to a safe place and cry, she meant no disrespect to JO family. I'm with you, everything you have said. I wish you lived near me so we could be besties lol I also have no one to talk to about this, so thanks. KR is exposing how bad it can be, this corruption is in other places and we need to shine light, thank you Karen Read for enduring this so we can see it. FKR

@SilentThundersnow

11 күн бұрын

Well said!

@patriciaspiers1574

11 күн бұрын

And not one LE at the hospital to make sure John was ok??

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

Totally agree

@primalcritters

11 күн бұрын

You are 100% spot on. Jen McCabe pulls a classic gaslighting tactic on Karen. "oh, look your tail light has a crack and you were so drunk last night, maybe you don't remember?" And because Karen is honest and truthful, she goes "oh my God, could I have hit him????!!!" Karen never presumed that the very lady that was gaslighting her was in on the murder.

@primalcritters

11 күн бұрын

I also agree with you. I originally thought that Paul and his mother were gaslighted by Jen McCabe which of course they are. But now I'm starting to wonder if they just do not have the intelligence to comprehend that it is medically impossible and defies the laws of physics for John to have been hit by a car. Only Papa O'Keefe gets it and doesn't buy the BS that Karen or anybody hit John with a car. In addition, anybody that works in tech and does code will tell you that the Cellebrite data is the gold standard and that if you take the correct iOS software to analyze the same iOS system you will find that that search did occur. Finally, polycarbonate does not shatter, let alone shatter upon impact with soft tissue. There would be a major lawsuit against Lexus if it had because it's not designed that way and it would never shatter like that upon impact was a human body.

I just found you. May I say you are very impressive. You have your information raw...I have been following this case for over several months. I am a Massachusetts resident. I have been a pediatric nurse for the past 50 plus years. I always wanted justice for Officer John..I thank you for this input to the solving of tis case.

@spitfirenana1234

6 күн бұрын

Thankyou so kindly.

What a clear and concise account of what really makes sense in this case. You are intuitive and picked up on critical details. I too, believe Karen did not hit John and this Prosecution proved nothing, no evidence. Really sad to be listed as a scape goat for a cover up.

Just found your channel, great vid. I feel the main thing missed out is that Karen has said often; "'we were not in Love, we were dating.." The prosecution's case only makes sense if there was 'passion/jealousy/lust/love', enough emotion to drive you to murder someone in a jealous rage! She said, often "I was not in love with John, we were just dating". The anger Karen showed came (I believe) from him dumping the kids on her & not being invested in the relationship. Normal stuff. This was not a crime of passion... actually where is the passion? From anyone? Thank you for a frank, impartial, real opinion👍 from a UK Ninny🇬🇧

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

I love and want to visit the UK so badly ❤️😎

@MotherOfVincentLePew

8 күн бұрын

​@@spitfirenana1234 if you ever do; you'd be welcome in Liverpool!😉🥳

American Nana You are very wise 😊 I love hearing your Thoughts!! I see a Aura of Beautiful White light that Surrounds you 🙏 Namaste 🙏 🕯️ 💙

I love your rational, unconfronting manner - I wish I could talk to Paul OKeefe so calmly. I hope he hears your video. It’s so non-judgemental that it might actually get through to him. I think it’s going to be really hard for him when the truth comes out.

@suemitricka9031

11 күн бұрын

He is never going to believe the truth. I feel bad for him. Hate is going to eat him up

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

I doubt he will see it but if he does I hope he listens and understands we based our decisions on facts and evidence or the lack thereof 😎

Thank you, Ma'am, your response to Paul O'Keef's interview was the most beautiful, human, emotional of all I've heard. Thank you!

Wonder if Paul has something to gain from the CW with his prior DUI, CW can drop charges just like they can make charges??

@ruthwarde6057

11 күн бұрын

Oh yea !! I think you have hit the nail on the head!! Paul has no back bone😮😮

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

Wow never thought of that but I didn’t know of his case

What they did to Karen is hideous!

Mississippi lady here. Karen Read may or may not be guilty. In my opinion, it appears that the evidence may have been "manipulated" to be more in favor of a conviction instead of the evidence leading to a guilty verdict. That's is why it was a hung jury.

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

The timing of them having the car and the search to start after that says a lot to me

Something he said about his niece not wanting to move away from her friends in Canton when her parents died she is best friends with Jen's daughter and her mum and Jen were friends, her whole life will be completely turned upside down if the truth comes out.

Its like their stuck on blsming her just because They Dont Like her. Disturbing

If I had been framed like that, I would not have the cash for bond, nor defense

I agree. I didnt watch or hear anything about this case online before or during the trial. I only watched the trial and listened to the evidence and believe the CWs case was trash.

Paul O’Keefe has no room to talk. Karen paid his bail when he got a DUI. For him to not support her and trash her really makes me angry. The snowplow driver is just about the only person I believed. Something stinks 😷⚖️ for John O’Keefe.

@spitfirenana1234

9 күн бұрын

@@Jammn126 I have to find all that info - The plow driver has Integrity & because of that they tried to say he was an unreliable witness!!! This whole fiasco is mind boggling to me! Why doesn’t someone in the FBI clear her there is NO WAY she hit him how in the hell is Lally going to try it again? Never ever should this of gone to trial Paul sure did try his best to taint things problem is we have SEEN for ourselves and well shouldn’t be in court wasted time and money and the investigation was botched from the get go 😎 just my opinion

Spot on, Nana!!

We always walk on toes when we deal with a family who lost someone. But what if the family is just nasty? We don't know the family, and o one has to bully another, but I think I can say what I know/see/common sense about the family. They want a woman in jail for life because they think she did it. There are laws and rules. They won't change because it's your family who lost their life.

Hard to believe it’s been a year since Kori set sail. Blessed Be Kaptain Kori. 💗💗💗

@spitfirenana1234

6 күн бұрын

Absolutely unbelievable to me - bless you and thank you for supporting our Captain - his mum wrote a book!!

Thank you for doing this video. I like to hear the perspectives of people who came into the trial cold. I've been following this case for about a year, so I already had decided Karen was not guilty when the trial started. I believe the "McAlberts," with Jen McCabe leading the way, have done a good job of gaslighting the O'Keefe's. In my opinion, it's easier for them to believe that Karen did it than truly see the truth that is right in front of their eyes. While we don't know exactly what happened that night, there is just too much suspect behavior with the Albert and McCabe families. There are too many ridiculous butt dials and destroying of evidence (Brian Albert and Brian Higgins) at just the "right time." Not to mention the defense experts' testimonies. Hypothetically, I think you could show Paul and his mother a video of the McAlberts harming John, and they would still deny that they had anything to do with his death. The O'Keefe's, in my opinion, are delusional and will probably keep stating the narrative that they want to believe to ease their own minds. It's like they are trying to convince themselves that their phony friends had nothing to do with John's death.

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

Thank you for giving me your thoughts! I totally agree and now need all the backstory so deep diving I will go

The hatred shown from John’s brother was over the top! It turned me against him. But the prosecution did not prove her guilty especially beyond a reasonable doubt! We don’t want to see an innocent person go to jail just because you don’t like her. Also I heard the brother is blamed for a dui causing a person to be paralyzed? Is that true? If so why is he hell bent on condemning an innocent person. Unbelievable!

Plus the fact that Karen Called Officer O'Keefe's phone 52 times between 12:30 am & 6am!! She wouldnt do that if she hit him & left!!

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

She was pissed what woman wouldn’t of been pissed mixed with fear but she probably thought he was with another woman

Well said Convicting an innocent woman in not Justice ❤

Look at Sean McConough going through the motions - One night of booze and violence

Dont forget , she did show restrant becase he talked her into making the drive from her own home to drive him home ,instead he went to a after party ! Yeah i would have said way worst to him on the text fs! GOD KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED ,The Justice will come from him for OJO and she will get to see Justice through Gods eyes ! HE HAS BOTH OJO AND KAREN IN HIS LOVE !

And on the video you can see Jen Sneaking like up to the house..

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

The sound of the pink panther comes to my mind with her sneaking in

"They never showed evidence" LOLOL!!! Corroborating witness testimony, micro plastic in clothing, DNA, hair, pieces of defendants car next to the body!, GPS, Toyota tech stream data!!! Vehicle speed, throttle angle percentage! The most evidence I've ever seen in a case!!! Ya'll are certified zombie mode

@1:42 awww im so sorry for y'all lost❤ i subbed to him. i found him during the Johnny depp trial

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

Thank you he is so very special in our hearts so your as well it seems He truly is one of a kind❤️

Ya I think a fight between John and Higgins happened and John was getting the best of Higgins and then Alberts jump in

POK has his price

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

Sad

To anyone that questions how Karen reacted after her psychiatric hold consider this. You have to remember Karen literally just got off a psychiatric hold and was probably loaded up on Ativan (benzos). Moreover, she's got Crohn's disease, a brain tumor, and ms. You can imagine what the level of stress she was under she was not feeling well and wanted her family to comfort her. She immediately wanted her Father which is a natural instinct. Finally, when she went to the home, she was welcomed by Peggy O'Keefe screaming at her how come you dropped John off at that home why did you leave him there? Peggy started shouting at Karen from the beginning and accusing her of leaving John at the home. Karen is a grown woman and she told John many times I don't think we're welcome here, I don't think we should go, I want to go home. Once he entered that home and he stopped responding she said forget it I'm going home I don't feel well and now he's being an a****** and ignoring me. Little did she know that he had been murdered by them. So have some Grace for Karen she's got three deadly diseases, literally 3 deadly diseases, was under enormous stress, and was being attacked by the family. Crohn's disease, and ms, and a brain tumor can all kill you and they are all exacerbated by stress..How would YOU react if you had that many medical conditions and were being accused by the family of not babysitting your boyfriend? Their anger is entirely misplaced and papa O'Keefe is the only one that loves Karen and knows that Karen did not kill John and no car hit John. That's why John's father was rarely at court because he doesn't buy the BS that Karen is responsible. The Albert and McCabe families as well as Higgins are responsible

@Monica-gene1

9 күн бұрын

Agree!!! Also I didn’t know she had a brain tumor?!

My thought exactly. John would want the truth revealed. If there is any real evidence that KR did it then great. But the evidence that pints to the true killers is long gone 😢

I'm so glad your channel popped up!!😊

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

Awe thankyou I don’t usually do much as I am nothing like the social influencers or knowledgeable as attorneys but my common sense just kept screaming and I wasn’t finding just a regular Nana giving their opinions ❤️So I decided why not😎

@karliann1

11 күн бұрын

@@spitfirenana1234 Heck yeah Nana. I'm also a custodial Nana to my granddaughter she's 2 1/2. Had her since 9 months but her parents are doing great and she is with her Mom right now for the evening. Nothing like a Nana's love ❣️❣️❣️

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

@@karliann1 absolutely nothing like a Nana’s love and it’s something one can’t explain with words alone it’s the best feeling in the world ❤️ so glad her parents are doing great!!! Hope they continue and the road to happiness and healing remains ❤️

@karliann1

11 күн бұрын

@@spitfirenana1234 Thank you,!!🙏🙏

@primalcritters

11 күн бұрын

Same I just found her!!! Love her

If John was found on top of the snow then K didn't do it. At the time she dropped J off ppl said snow was just beginning to stick. If there was 2 inches of snow or more hinder him then he was placed there later.

Want to thank you for informative import imparted peacefully presented

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

Thankyou it’s so sensitive as I don’t want to ever be disrespectful to a family that has suffered but feelings are not what is used to convict and OJO if he truly had the personality they say then he would NOT approve of this

U r so right

ABSOLUTELY Karen innocent!!!?? Sydney Australia!!! Watched trial from start''' what the hell is wrong with U lot over in Canton!!!!!still in shock with HUNG JURY 😮makes NO sense

@primalcritters

11 күн бұрын

I'm in Los Angeles and I'm stunned by the level of corruption in Canton, Massachusetts. Disgusting to put an innocent woman on trial for a man that was clearly killed by men and a dog.

All in the Family

Appreciate your view

Why wouldn’t karen go to her parents paul O’Keefe is not her family anyone would leave to ho to their parents

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

Especially with frigid treatment I’m sure she received 😎

I saw someone posit that maybe Paul & his mother are afraid the same thing will happen to them as happened to John. A scary thought. You sound so much calmer than I feel at all of this. Your response sounds very respectful and compassionate. I feel for the O'Keefes in losing their son / brother. Grief and denial are powerful, but this whole thing still boggles my mind. I hope some day they can see the truth and find some peace, if not closure.

Karen Read is a successful, smart woman, financially successful with a great career... I don't think the O'Keefe family liked her much given the fact that Peggy O'Keefe was blaming her for dropping him off at a party. A mum that likes her sons GF would not react that way. At the scene both Jen and Kerry were telling her to shut up they were so cold towards her its no wonder she wanted to go home to be with her family.

I think either Allie or Caitlin took the dog with them that night

I don’t agree with Karen packing and leaving the house in that way, she supposed to be the first one who should comfort John’s family

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

@@ot7553 well if she was treated with the coldest shoulders which I think she was that makes sense she wanted to get out of there - In all honesty they should of all been comforting each other We were faced with a horrible situation last year that we could of lost a family member well in blood lineages one could say I should of been comforted however the spouse in my humble opinion needed our love and comfort so desperately- Did I hear that Peggy actually told her this was her fault when she went to the house? Either way you go if there is a coldness you know when you are not welcome much less needed! That’s my humble opinion

@primalcritters

11 күн бұрын

You have to remember Karen literally just got off a psychiatric hold and was probably loaded up on Ativan (benzos). Moreover, she's got Crohn's disease, a brain tumor, and ms. You can imagine what the level of stress she was under she was not feeling well and wanted her family to comfort her. She immediately wanted her Father which is a natural instinct. Finally, when she went to the home, she was welcomed by Peggy O'Keefe screaming at her how come you dropped John off at that home why did you leave him there? Peggy started shouting at Karen from the beginning and accusing her of leaving John at the home. Karen is a grown woman and she told John many times I don't think we're welcome here, I don't think we should go, I want to go home. Once he entered that home and he stopped responding she said forget it I'm going home I don't feel well and now he's being an a****** and ignoring me. Little did she know that he had been murdered by them. So have some Grace for Karen she's got three deadly diseases, literally 3 deadly diseases, was under enormous stress, and was being attacked by the family. Crohn's disease, and ms, and a brain tumor can all kill you and they are all exacerbated by stress..How would YOU react if you had that many medical conditions and were being accused by the family of not babysitting your boyfriend? Their anger is entirely misplaced and papa O'Keefe is the only one that loves Karen and knows that Karen did not kill John and no car hit John. That's why John's father was rarely at court because he doesn't buy the BS that Karen is responsible. The Albert and McCabe families as well as Higgins are responsible

@karena5641

10 күн бұрын

Karen didn't live there. She only had some clothes and toiletries there for when she stayed over. And they didn't like her, they wouldn't even let her see john at the hospital to say goodbye. The mother was immediately blaming her for leaving John at that house, like she was supposed to babysit him too. I wouldn't have stayed either.

@ot7553

10 күн бұрын

@@karena5641 thanks I didn’t know that

@ot7553

10 күн бұрын

@@spitfirenana1234 agree,it seems that Kerry Robert had informed them when picking them up that Karen hit him

Poor Karen both John n Karen need n deserve justice Paul I excused him but now there is no excuse he hates Karen n blames her irrationally n illlgically first I thought the mcalberts brainwashed n gaslit the okeefes but now idk that trial was malicious prosecution period the cw lally biased bev all need to be held accountable even with biased trial u can’t convict innocent ppl

The way you 19:39 lay it out, she sounds guilty. Having a recording device that was on and going into hysterics and brings a witness with her.

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

If you are talking about KR the recording device is her phone I assume? The call to JO phone then she drops it when she jumps out of the car and it kept recording? Including Jenn M speaking to her sister in a hushed hushed voice - Is that the recording device? I can’t quite understand your meaning I went back to the exact time however I think this is what you were implying- KR was frantically looking for JO That’s how I see it

Wrong. Waited till he got to the front door she didnt see him go in.

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

Thank you but if he was at the door he went in

It really is stunning. Officer John O'Keefe is rolling in his grave knowing that his brother and mother have cozied up to the murderers. I think Paul O'Keefe has displaced anger as does his mother for Karen dropping John off at the Albert home. She is not his babysitter if he insisted on going despite her saying that they are not welcome there she could not stop him. It seems Papa O'Keefe John's father is the only one that knows Karen did not hurt or kill John and that no car killed John. John really needs to seek therapy because he knows got no vehicle caused those injuries to john. John was killed in a physical altercation with men and a dog and you cannot deny medicine and physics

Easy to listen to you.. no fluff

@spitfirenana1234

11 күн бұрын

@@bobmackey8851 awe thank you - I don’t know how to do anything besides be myself and it’s clear I am a bit challenged technologically 😎🤣

@SilentThundersnow

11 күн бұрын

​@spitfirenana1234 you're doing great! Way better than I can! 🫶