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[SO BAD] is one of Paul McCartney’s most beautiful and underrated songs.

@canadianstudmuffin

3 ай бұрын

I like the song a lot.

I think the production choices and energy of Average Person are actually quite strong

I wonder what was in that pipe Paul was smoking when he manufactured the very poor Pipes Of Peace.

A agree. After this album I didn’t buy another album by Paul til Flaming Pie.

I'm doing a second comment on this video. After watching the video and giving my initial thoughts, I realized it has been quite a few years since I listened to Pipes of Peace all the way through. So I just did and I got to say I really enjoyed it. The first side was very enjoyable all the way through. The second half wasn't very strong. Average Person is less than average McCartney, but for me far from his worst. We all hear stuff our own way. Pipes of Peace was new when I was first getting into the Beatles so I bought it in 83 and played it a lot. I guess that's why my associations with it are positive. Cheers Mr. Muffin!

@canadianstudmuffin

3 ай бұрын

I do like it more than I did in the past... but I think Side 2 isn't as good as Side 1. Thank you!

We all have our own tastes! Pipes of Peace is probably about halfway down my Paul list. Driving Rain is actually one of the few records left that I haven’t listened to. I will have to spin it in preparation for your group discussion!

Pipes Of Peace was the very first new McCartney album I bought with my own money, holds a lot of good memories for me.

See this is why I love music so much! It’s so many different things to different people. Personally Pipes of Peace is one of my all time fav albums! But that’s because I have very personal, happy memories connected to that album. I can see why some people aren’t keen on it though.

I had this on vinyl. I can’t remember the last time I listened to this album, so I’m going to have to give it a listen again sometime in the near future.🤔💁🏻‍♀️

Sometimes it’s difficult to find a ‘worst of’ from your fav artist. I love Genesis as you know but I can’t do with Whodunnit from Abacab as a track and Invisible Touch as an album. But in the grand scheme of things I still love them.

Perhaps you don't like the album because you are more a fan of classic rock? I think it is a very nice 80's album with great pop melodies. I got into music during the fabulous 80's, so again, it is a personal taste thing I guess.

@canadianstudmuffin

3 ай бұрын

I love some pop music but not when it is super cheesy. I'm seriously happy with anyone who appreciates any McCartney album. We all have our favorites and least favorites.

I can’t do Songs from the bottom-yet I still have to explore Pipes of Peace alittle more.

Uncle Albert is one of my favorites and there is more also that I like from Paul. He is my favorite solo artist of the 4 Beatles but not my altime favorite artist. 😎👍

Nice job, Larry. McCartney lost his rock fan base after the terrifyingly bad trilogy that was Pipes of Piss, Broadstreet, and Press To Play, all of which are in a three way tie for worst albums of the 1980s! And speaking of Average Person, what is McCartney’s obsession with zoo animals?

@robertsaul234

3 ай бұрын

I may not agree with everything said here, but I know have a nee name for Pipes of Peace 😂

I thought the title track Pipes of Peace was an epic track and one of the best of his solo career. I liked Driving Rain when it came out because I wanted to like it really bad. After a few listens I retired it and haven't listened to it for 20 years. Kisses on the Bottom wins the prize for worst McCartney album. Worst song? Lots of stinkers to pick from. Biker Like an Icon never did anything for me. Big thumbs down on Wonderful Christmastime. Never liked it. I could probably go the rest of my life without hearing Happy X-Mas War is Over ever again, but that's for another day and another video.

Oh God I agree with you Average Person!😂😂😂❤❤❤

I feel like at this point of his career Paul was trying too hard to stay relevant.

✨My kids really liked Driving Rain- I love this album- I think it is recorded kind of raw, why some don’t like it

I dont mind this album at all. The first half is quite strong. Not only that, i think this is his 2nd strongest solo album (excluding wings) pre Flaming Pie. I’ll put it just behind Tug of War, and ahead of McCartney 1 and 2 (both of which im not that big into) or any of his subsequent releases. It’s a very 80s cheesy pop album, but there are some great elements like the production. Underrated album

In this album there is one of my favourite all’ time paul songs: throgh our love. And Keep under cover is a beautiful song. The worst album, that one I really can’t listen, is wild life.

His output is amazing. I dont buy solo artists really.

I don't know - I think it's alright. Maybe if he'd spent more time on the lyrics, it would be a better song. I can't say that I've listened to everything he's ever done...only about 75% or so. For me, "Freedom" is pretty eye-rolling as far as poor songs go.

I really love the album! It is a pop album! The title track is a master piece! What is wrong with The Other me, keep under cover, Sweetest little show and the beautiful Through our Love! 7,5/10 for me

Freedom was his worst one.

I actually quite like Pipes of Peace. Some of it kind of sounds like if Zappa made an anti-war album. It actually used to be one of mu favorites of his. I don’t love it as much now but I still like it. I also really like Driving Rain.

I think that in the context of one of his greatest solo lp's, Mamunia is pretty weak. .

I hear what you’re saying about the “Pipes Of Peace” album, it does have a sugary sweet corny-ness to it overall, but I also feel that it has George Martins production going for it, and Paul still has his effortless melodies and hooks kind of going for him at that point in his career. I like “Driving Rain” more.,, that being said, I think “Freedom” may be his all time worst song, in my opinion..

Driving Rain is a real powerhouse to me. A strong and long playing album that never bored me. Maybe the cover art work could’ve been a bit more worked out, but that doesn’t really count for my high rating in the end.- And now I have to confess something opposite to your thoughts on Pipe Of Peace: I really like it, no, I admire it! One of me first vinyls bought at the time of its release and one of the founding stones of my lifelong fandom of The Beatles & Solo. Listening to it now while writing this memories are coming back to me buying this album as a teenager and enjoying it at home in my room. But it’s not only private kitsch or self indulgence that make me enjoy this album: The Other Me, Keep Under Cover, So Bad, The Man, Sweetest Little Show, Average Person is one of Paul’s strongest run of six songs in a row I remember! And Through Our Love is the most sweet and catchy sort of a Grand Finale to an album ever thinkable in these humble ears. I love these opulent Paul ballads with the big production so much. Only Once Upon A Long Ago four years later drives this a little step further.- Maybe my inner compass is somewhat disturbed but I personally rank Pipes Of Pease on the same level as Tug Of War😀Happy Easter to you🥚🙋🏻‍♂️

Can't say I agree with Ur opinion on this album but gotta respect it

not saying it as an argument against that but on spotify it is the third most streamed Paul solo album, so its right there on his profile when you go to popular albums..

I like the song Average Person, Larry, I think it's got a very catchy tune but I know what you mean about the lyrics not being his best. For years I never liked the song, Spirits of Ancient Egypt because the lyrics are meaningless, "you could sell an elevator to Geronimo"?? and Wings' Getting Closer has the awful "my Salamander" lyric which nearly spoils an excellent song. Although it's a come-down from the excellent Tug of War, I still like a lot of the songs on Pipes of Peace, especially the title track, So Bad, The Man and Keep Under Cover, although I've never liked the song Say, Say, Say and side 2 runs out of steam a bit.

"Spies Like Us" completely sucked. Not sure if it was on an album?

@beatlesnqueen

3 ай бұрын

Nope, a non-album single. Completely agreed about it being one of his worst though.

Glad I'm not the only one. Press is fun and Driving Rain has strong material but Pipes just sounds bland to me. It definitely feels like leftovers from Tug of War (which is one of my favorite Paul albums).

I agree. Hated Pipes of Peace. Did you listen to Boil Crisis? A song about acne I think.

Hi Larry, I'd go with a tie between Pipes of Peace and Driving Rain as his worst albums. As for as songs he has quite a few stinkers, I'll go with the one that makes me cringe the most, Freedom. Mind you he's my favorite artist regardless.

Good video!!’ I find this album and I will say it, most of his 80’s output forgettable and not really listenable. I think his resurgence came in the mid 90’s and on. Paul just could not find inspiration in the 80’s to me.

@canadianstudmuffin

3 ай бұрын

I did like Tug Of War (his previous album) but not as much as most fans seemed to. Going back over the albums I missed, I thought Flowers In The Dirt was good but I liked Off The Ground a bit more... and then other albums like Flaming Pie, Chaos and Creation, Egypt Station, New and others are GREAT. Overall he has released a lot of great songs and music since The Beatles. I feel bad not liking this album but I've kept trying...

@randytaylor220

3 ай бұрын

@@canadianstudmuffin to me Tug of War is “good” a bit overrated and “flowers” is listenable. I just hear Paul going through the motions and nothing inspiring. Overall his 80’s output is what I go for the least. When I go for a solo Paul album it usual starts from Flaming Pie to present. Especially Memory Almost Full. Love that album.

Pipes of Peace was originally supposed to be the other half of a double album with Tug of War (Tug of Peace?) but then it was split in two albums. Looks like Tug of War got the better songs. I think I have to agree that Average Person is below average for Paul. That's the kind of song that John Lennon might have disparaged had he still been around. I like the title track to Pipes of Peace. The video is great too and the song went to number one in the UK. Average Person is not great but Paul's a song that might rival it for worst is that Frog Song (We All Stand Together). He makes those frog sounds in that song! lol

I agree Pipes was such a bad follow up to Tug of War. Just a bunch of leftovers from Tug of War.

This was never a favourite album of Pauls until fairly recently when I sat and listened to it again. Definitely some filler tracks but the good stuff is there. I darent tell you my favourite track but it has the initials AP 😂😂 For the record, my least fave Paul track is Ebony And Ivory...literally have to turn it off if it comes on the radio

I love the title track and The Other Me but I could take or leave the rest of the album

I like Pipes Of Peace but I could never recommend it.. to embarrassing. Driving Rain though, everyone should check it out, it’s awesome!

Driving Rain Wins hands down for Worst Paul McCartney album cover -As for Worst Paul McCartney song my vote goes to Fuh You, and Worst album IMO is Wild Life , Pipes Of Peace 2nd place, and Egypt Station 3rd place.

I agree on your thoughts of Pipes of Peace (the album) and I have never liked Average Person but for his very worst song (although not technically a McCartney solo composition) would have to be Rudolph the Red Nose Reggae. A shocker. I also detest the cover of Love is Strange (sorry but Linda's vocals are not yet refined, and they are incredibly nasal) and Cook of the House is embarrassing. Th title track of Pipes of Peace though I believe is a masterpiece with its intro and outro segmenting the main body of the song.

I agree. Pipes Of Peace was a huuuge disappointment for me after Tug Of War. It hasn't grown on me since. And yes, Average Person is a bad song, very bad. I don' t like Press To Play and Off The Ground either, but Driving Rain is ok for me.

I can't stand Pipes of Peace. It is at the bottom for me too. Yes, the extras on Pipes aren't very good either. Sweetest Little Show is the worst on this album for me. I like the beginning of the title track but it really goes downhill fast when the children join in. Albums a 4/10 for me. Could have made a score of 6 if he recorded his own version of "Wings of a Nightingale". I like Driving Rain. I had the cd on repeat as I drove 3 hours to see him on his "Driving U.S.A." tour. I can't stand the last minute add-on song "Freedom" though. The worst of his solo career imho.

@catsofsherman1316

3 ай бұрын

Freedom hasn't aged well. It was reactionary and jingoistic.

Its a bit shit. I agree Larry. On thriving pain I like she's given up talking

For a fun song, Average Person isn't too bad, and isn't all that different to Cars are Cars, Allergies, Think Too Much or Wristband. Writing fun songs is what Pauls are just naturally good at.

I actually love pipes of peace. “Appreciate” is my least favorite McCartney song. I appreciate your opinion though!

@ricardo_miguel13

3 ай бұрын

that song is soo cool, like a slow mysterious Bond tune

I've always thought Average Person sounded like Paul's weak attempt at writing a Piano Man. Of course, he must have known it wouldn't have had the same kind of impact. I enjoy the tune, but definitely not the lyrics.

I don't think Pipes of Peace is a good album Larry,it is in my opinion one of Paul's worst albums but I do think the song Pipes of Peace itself is a great song,the thing is when I buy a Paul McCartney album I don't want to here someone else like Michael Jackson or Stevie Wonder on it,I want to hear Paul McCartney and to me Paul's worst song overall is probably Mumbo from another one of Paul's not so good albums Wings Wildlife and yes Larry to me Paul McCartneys worst album is still the downright depressing Driving Rain. Bob

@knuckledragger9322

3 ай бұрын

I've always thought Mumbo is brilliant. It's like an angry person singing Louie Louie.

Interesting! Hmm I think PoP has three outstanding songs (title track, Say Say Say, So Bad) and then a whole lot of filler. I totally understand you’d find it way too mawkish Larry. Agree Average Person is lyrically poor and over produced.

I like Average Persons, its a funny lyric. Its a silly lyric of course but at least make sence, and I like the music. Not badxat all. Cars are cars the same its funny. Nothing else.. Press To Play maybe the most unconfortable album. The musical period during Driving Rain it's dificult to catch, the musical work during that period it's some kind of experimental and daring. Nobody notice Costello's influence during that period, even the last records had that influence. The way EC create music it's not easy to catch, not for everybody, Paul was hard influenced by this way to create music. It seems that Pipes of Pipes was created from the rest of Tug of War sessions. Tha idea was to launch the single Say, Say, Say slso product of PM and Michael Jackson sessions (remenber the Girl is Mine) and take some sinergy and advantage of the Thrillermania on that days. Money Advantage? ...of course. In this case I think The girl is mine, the man and say say say were created in the same sessions with MJ.

I have Pipes of Peace fifth from the bottom of my Paul album list, above Kisses (at the bottom), Run Devil, New and Give My Regards. I Love Mumbo. I don't mind Bip Bop. I'm not a fan of Average Person, the Other Me, Keep Under Cover, The Man and Through Our Love. Pipes of Peace is okay and Say Say Say is my second favorite video. I love So Bad. Paul's worse song - Warm and Beautiful. It sounds like Roseanne Barr singing the national anthem. The instrumental version is great though.

@CRESCOCHANNEL

3 ай бұрын

I can'y believe. I think warm and beautiful is one of his underrated songs. On e of my favourite.

Pipes of peace is certainly low down in my McCartney album ranking (not that ive actually done one on my channel yet) but it's not the worst for me. There is nothing worse than Kisses on the Bottom in my opinion. My least favourite on Pipes of Peace is The Other Me with its dreadful use of 'cockney rhyming slang ' on the line about dustbin lids (meaning kids). looking forward to our Driving Rain discussion

@canadianstudmuffin

3 ай бұрын

Yes, one of my turn offs with Paul in the 80s were his lyrics... He has really improved in the past few years, except for maybe Fuh You, ha ha.

@beatleytonesbeatleschannel

3 ай бұрын

@@canadianstudmuffin yes that is a stinker. Not keen on Come on to Me either

Look at the average person, watch a random man's KZread video. Can you imagine the first one you watch? Well I am watching the Canadian Studmuffin. Tells the viewers he is a Beatles/Paul McCartney fan and likes a lot of songs. But he says that Average Person was Paul McCartney's worst song. Oh Average Person is the worst. Yes sir, you heard right! Canadian Studmuffin thinks Average Person is Paul McCartney's worst song.

@canadianstudmuffin

3 ай бұрын

It is his worst song for me, which does't mean others don't like or love it...

@alk61695

3 ай бұрын

@canadianstudmuffin I can take it or leave it. I think his worst song is Four Five Seconds.

For me Helen Wheels is his worst song - it combines cringy vocals and lyrics…. Let Em In is another contender. Worst album - McCartney II. For me Pipes of Peace isn’t his best but it’s harmless, although The Other Me is pretty bad….different tastes Larry 😅. Anyway, I could easily make a top 20 of worst McCartney songs just as I could easily make a top 20 best songs. Btw, I bought a compilation album last year of 50s and 60s rock artists and there is a song called Bip Bop Bip by Pretty Boy….perhaps the inspiration for Bip Bop? I’ve never heard that song referred to when discussing the McCartney song.

Easter standard time? ;)

@canadianstudmuffin

3 ай бұрын

changed it... thanks.

Pauls worst song in my opinion The Frog Chorus

Not knowledgeable of the entirety of Paul's entire catalogue. I tend to stick with the 70s, which is almost universally good or mediocre at worst. Cook of the House does come to mind as the worst McCartney song of the 70s.

@peterlarter4373

3 ай бұрын

Agree on the anti-feminist Cook of the House being Wings’ low point.

@bobdavis4848

3 ай бұрын

@@peterlarter4373 I'm an ardent feminist and I love "Cook Of The House." Its got all my kind of foods. It's only anti-feminist if someone is saying cooking is only a woman's place. Here, she clearly enjoys being a cook.

It's always an advantage when you're a non English speaking person. Lyrics are not the main thing you're focused on 😊... That being said, Average Person is not my favorite song on the album, but I like Pipes of Peace a lot more than Driving Rain.

Broadstreet did indeed stink, but Cars by Simon was actually quite good. You misfired on that one.

@canadianstudmuffin

3 ай бұрын

I didn't misfire, I can have my own opinion, thanks...

Heh. I gave up on Paul even earlier than you did--after Wings Over America. With a resurgence of interest in all things Beatles, I naturally started catching up on the things I'd missed and found that I liked most of what Paul did. The only album I've not been able to get into is Flowers in the Dirt. Pipes of Peace is inoffensive and I don't have strong feelings about it one way or the other. I actually don't dislike any of the McCartney/Wings albums. Looking forward to the upcoming Driving Rain discussion.

@knuckledragger9322

3 ай бұрын

To my ears, Flowers in the Dirt is by far Paul's best album post-Wings. It's like he needed Elvis Costello there to get him out of his eighties wimpy phase.

Hahaha

Of the McCartneys songs I have heard I would have to say that the song that I can't stand to listen to is "Silly Love Songs." Generally, I don't care for his solo work as much as his Beatle's contributions.

"Dance Tonight" is putrid. I wish he had never gotten that mandolin.

@canadianstudmuffin

3 ай бұрын

Love the song.

@iluvj50

3 ай бұрын

@@canadianstudmuffin Seriously or April Fool's?

@canadianstudmuffin

3 ай бұрын

It's a simple song but I have always loved it. The video for it is what got me to buy the album it came from. We all like what we like...