Where would wrestling be if ECW had survived bankruptcy? Let us know in the comments.

@MCLogikILL

9 ай бұрын

I don't think the extreme model would've stayed profitable for too long as we've become much pussier as a people

@FaysalIsGoated

9 ай бұрын

The OG ECW could have survived the 2000s but wouldn’t have survived in the 2010s as society as a whole has gotten more and more soft.

@stevewhite4898

9 ай бұрын

I have watched Eastern Championship Wrestling morph into ECW when Shane Douglas crossed the line....Cancel culture would have eliminated ECW by now, but ECW had years of life left, as shown by the responses to One Night Stand 05/06. WWECW killed the product for good but so much that was displayed in Extreme rings lives on today.

@Skorpio420

9 ай бұрын

If ECW would have lightened up on the hardcore stuff, we probably wouldn't have ROH.

@yookaloco

9 ай бұрын

Too painful a subject. Too many great memories. It'll always live on in my heart.

I wish you will release this whole interview in one vid. This guy Paul E. has a way to tell a story like no other.

@MzCookiezfourtwnty

19 күн бұрын

We as Fans of Paul Heyman we need to tell him to start a podcast ?

The Legacy of ECW is the wrestling of today I think specifically, it was where the "Smart" fan culture really was born. We take it for granted now, but at the time, you didn't get entire crowds of fans who not only knew it was a work, but were able to appreciate the nuances of what was going on. We hear "This is Awesome" and "You fucked up" chants all the time now, but back then they were unheard of in mainstream wrestling where the majority of the audience were still "marks", but the ECW fanbase showed the world that you could suspend your disbelief and enjoy the product for what it really was.

@danberkman8227

9 ай бұрын

I learned so much as a young wrestling fan from those ECW shows and crowds. It sounds cliche but I learned, by getting smart, that there is an art to wrestling, a performance. Even if a wrestler lost all the time you paid them respect for putting others over and having horrible stuff done to them. Learning that an incredible performance could be given by someone in a losing effort because of how they sold, how they made the winner look, and the moments they gave us. It felt like this big awesome club, where we made fun, we cheered, and cursed the heels but in the end we loved the whole roster.

It can never be replicated the 90s was a special time

@anonymousnate678

9 ай бұрын

ECW was the definition of 'lightning in a bottle'. People can try to replicate it but it won't have the same feel as that wild west that was early and mid 90s ECW.

@haarisajmeri9811

9 ай бұрын

always has been

@Romchikthelemon

9 ай бұрын

Any time has it's specials

@srl4050

9 ай бұрын

In all walks of life! 90s was fantastic for pretty much everything.

@USHARDY

17 күн бұрын

ECW was pro wrestling finally catching up to 90s pop culture. When things are getting grungier, more dark and real, WWF and WCW stayed very bright and family friendly like it was still the 80s. Wasn’t until both companies took influence from ECW that their product started to change for the better and wrestling became hotter than it ever was. Every wrestling company or era of any company that has come by since has taken influence from ECW.

This interview happened nearly 6 years ago just upload the whole thing guys come on

@mcq2879

9 ай бұрын

I'd buy it too but WHERE?? Lol they really don't want us to see the whole thing

Paul Heyman is my favorite person in WWE. I love his interviews and how passionate he is about the sport.

@72rmboyd

9 ай бұрын

The guy understands how to tell a story line.

I could listen to Paul Heyman talk about a freaking apple on a table, and I would hang on every word he has to say! Love that guy!!!

ECW was a singular moment where the audience and the wrestlers were on the same team. It wasn’t Superstars and their fans. It was us. We all were ECW. Paul made us believe that bullshit, because Paul believed that bullshit too. We all did. I will never forget it.

ECW was probably the most intense show from start to finish. Even when the show was at a slower pace, it was that build up to the intense moment. Everything was done for a reason. Even without the "hardcore" aspect.

He isn't wrong in any way. ECW had by far even today I would say the most hardcore and loyal fan base. Events were so jam packed , the chants were amazing , the wrestling was by far the best and changed the business in ways many thought it wouldn't or wouldn't even last but it has. None of us will never forget the shit these guys put themselves through to give us a hell of a show. Now in day wrestling you get maybe 1-2 matches that people look forward to and the rest are lack luster. ECW .... I wanted to see every Raven match, every Sabu.... Super Crazy , Lance storm, Dean , Eddie, Sandman, Dreamer, Rhino, Shane, ect. Who the hell did we not want to see who was not that great where we went " fuck it this part sucks changing and coming back" that did not exist in ECW. Heyman is a true genius in what he created and its a shame it never continued.

@Lord_Bibulous

9 ай бұрын

I've been to a couple of shows in NYC. Good times but there always a concern a riot might break out.

@bloodyr0ad712

9 ай бұрын

@@Lord_Bibulous yeah it was nuts. The heat dudleys had was insane

@michaelriverajr8891

3 ай бұрын

​@bloodyr0ad712 I'm surprised that the dudleys never caused a riot or got stabbed cause of the heat they were getting

@bloodyr0ad712

3 ай бұрын

@@michaelriverajr8891 they were close to the riots . Even bubba said it . We will never see this ever again . Too many ppl tryin to act like they on celeb death match and idiots feed into that

ECW was a small Indy promotion that punched well above its weight and helped changed the landscape of wrestling. All thanks to Paul Heyman’s vision he had for where wrestling was going at that time in the mid 90’s. The biggest problem with ECW was money, they had no money to keep talent, and very little money to pay the talent as well. ECW was almost like crowdfunded promotion in a way, the talent would have to take extra jobs to help the promotion to get paid better, some of the talents would design merch, some of the talents would help book the shows, some of the talents would train rookies at wrestling schools. But because Paul Heyman is such a good talker and motivator, he managed to get the best out of his talents both in the ring and out. ECW tried their hardest but their product was just a no go for good sponsors and advertisers, or to get good TV deals. They signed with TNN in 1999 but the deal was awful in retrospect, ECW would’ve been on at very very late night into early hours in the morning, but that was because of ECW’s excessive violence. So while ECW was a fantastic product for the fan, the product couldn’t make money in the long term, and that’s why they went bankrupt.

Paul Heyman is a Legend .. He is a very kind respectful intelligent man. 😎👍

The greatest spokesman for the greatest sport👍 Future Hall of Famer right here

This guy the legendary Paul heyman needs to be inducted into the WWE hall of fame class of 2024 in Philadelphia Pa the city and the state of ECW the the city and state that is going to have wrestlemania 40 at ECW city and state Paul heyman 100 percent deserves to be inducted into the the WWE 2024 hall of fame ECW ECW ECW ECW ECW

I miss this time period

I was born in 97 and started watching wrestling probably by 01-02. To this day i still watch ECW for so many reasons but the main reason was the fucking loyalty these crazy mfers had for the brand of ECW. I tear up when sandman goes into the crowd with a cigarette in his mouth a beer smashed over his forhead and a kendo stick in the other hand while the fans went psychotic and sang his theme like it was their last fucking day on earth. Why does it make me cry? The intensity of ECW gives me chills that my brain cannot even handle. The 90s was when i was born and i know i didnt grow up in the 90s but i am so goddamn grateful to live because of ECW. I was a kid with severe misbehavior and psychotic tendencies but when i watched my ECW dvds i would be so calm. My parents couldnt understand it. My dad saw how violent, intense, and brutal it was and when i was losing my temper he would scream at me to go watch ECW and shuttup. Id watch for hoursssss and i would calm down, do my homework and listen and follow rules. Why? Cause at a young age my father knew i already knew what loyalty was because of Paul Heyman and the ECW locker room. You will NEVERRRRR see anything even close to ECW ever again. If i had one wish and one wish only it would be to go to an ECW event and go insane with the crowd. I used to scream E C DUB!! So loud and the top of my lungs i would lose my voice. I have a very hard time in life with dealing with the fact that "all good things must come to an end" but not when it comes to E C FUCKIN W!! Paul Heyman thank you. You showed me as a child what loyalty is and gave me the ability to grow some serious balls along with self control and not to mention brains and the ability to say "fuck you" to people that are total scum. E C FUCKIN W FOR LIFE!!!

Ecw was something special that can never be duplicate

@sirnoname6943

7 ай бұрын

It had brotherhood the fans had a mind of there own I would kill someone to go to one of those shows

I remember taking WWE pics at a theme park, but the pics I took with Balls Mahoney, Rhyno and The Juice meant so much more because they were all just out in the school arena like I was. The experience was so much more ❤

I started watching ECW in 1993 on sports channel Philadelphia and I was hooked it was awesome!! I still don’t understand why Paul would sell the company to Vince I’m 110% sure someone would have came along by now and invest big into ECW. It’s just ridiculous he sold it to Vince kills me.

I fell out of wrestling around 2006, so I remember ECW One Night Stand 2005 and 2006 and that was when Vince McMahon PRESERVED the spirit of ECW before he demolished the brand. I still remember "If Cena Wins, We Riot." because I felt exactly the same way. John Cena was nothing but a Marky Mark impersonator, so I always hated him. I have the most nostalgia for Sabu and Rey Mysterio's match, Cena and RVD's match and Benoit and Eddie's match.

ECW's often imitated but never duplicated. XPW,CZW,GCW,and others can't capture the feel of the original.

I don't think there's ever been another wrestling audience like the ECW Mutants. The Lucha Underground Believers got close, but that show unfortunately didn't end up having the legs to keep on. The AEW crowd is pretty devoted, but they don't have the absolutely _manic_ dedication and love of the Mutants (they don't even have an audience nickname). And WWE is crippled by being the only major English language promotion whose name doesn't end with W, making it impossible for the audience to chant it (can you imagine an arena full of people trying to chant "Dub dub EEE! Dub dub EEE! Dub dub EEE!"? It'd sound like an invasion of raver bats!)

Heyman's a legend

I remember Heatwave 97. I think Middletown, NY. Someone no one knew walks to the ring, the crowd chants, "who the fuck are you?" So much fun.

ECW! ECW! E! C! F'ing! W! There is no denying the effects from ECW are still felt in today's wrestling. I sincerely hope Paul Heyman is inducted into the Hall Of Fame at WrestleMania 40 since the PLE will be in the home of ECW!

@jleos0095

9 ай бұрын

Your absolutely right, the effects are certainly felt to this day. The wrestlers who put their bodies on the line by jumping from elevated heights of 20 feet or more through 6 tables and a ring of a fire with pandas juggling from the side to the beat of journey for Pennie’s on the dollar certainly remember the effects, I’m sure they still feel it to this day! Who profited from it? You think it was the wrestlers that profited the most, by destroying their bodies from these stupid backyard stunts?

Loved ECW and love/d Heyman's vision, just wish ECW could have paid their people for all the entertainment and putting their bodies on the line night after night. "Thanks for all your hard work" doesn't pay the rent, let alone the medical bills.

Yo can we just get the full interview I’d deadass pay for it I’m tired of the clips I want the full interview

Why can't you guys release the full interviews? For folks like myself that don't live in that country we will never be able to attend these shows.

The best thing about ECW was that it felt like it was ours. It was all of ours.

Why were they booing the TNA version? Hardcore Justice was a great show!

How do you get full versions of their shoots?

ECW in the 90s was one of the greatest things wrestling had RIP

I remember when I first got back into wrestling around 2009/2010, I was horrified at how bad the product had gotten. I couldn't believe that something I had loved to death in my teen years ( I watched Smackdown! during the Ruthless Aggression years) and just had such a huge fall from grace. Then I heard about ECW, sought out the old house shows and some of Hardcore TV, and just lost myself in it. If it wasn't for ECW, I don't think I would have stayed such a big fan of wrestling. Thank you Paul

Paul Heyman is the most entertaining bullshit artist and reviser of history.

That’s a really good question

I was born 95 so I wasn't really there to see ECW and I'm from Philadelphia. I wish I was born in late 70s so I could witness ECW. But thank fuck for KZread.

When I was in high school I had a classmate who was telling me about ecw and that I need to start watching. After watching barely Legal, I was hooked cause it was different than what wwe and wcw was doing at the time. Everyone brings up the violence but ecw also gave us eddie guerrero, rey mysterio, dean malenco, Chris benoit. Terry funk also helped ecw to get on the map

Can't believe it's already more then 30 yrs ago this all happened

4:35 Rule 1 of videography. Make sure the thing you are filming is IN FOCUS!!!

I hope to god Paul E sees this comment someday. It didnt matter if chequed cleared, it didnt matter when his probation made wrestlers dive off balconys. Im irish, and nobody know how hard how f#cking hard it was to get ECW in Ireland. My dad used to buy blank Video's and record every single ECW after his nightshift in tbe oil refinery. ECW was my show over the f#cking WWe AE. Sabu was my hero in the hero. Paul Hayman has no idea what he made my childhood.. i was the pnly kid in my area that knew what it was. ECW was my childhood. Thank you Paul, you've no idea how much your promotion made my childhood more violent and rememberable. Best f#cking years of my life. ECW forever

ECW was both the best thing and the worst thing to ever happen to professional wrestling. It was the best thing because wrestling at the time was full of God awful ideas like pig farmers, ding dongs, Robo-Cop, and Black Scorpions, and ECW took what was a poorly made children's show and made it for adults. It introduced violence, blood, mature storylines, high flying moves, heavy metal music, cursing, the internet, and so many other things into wrestling that wrestling had never seen before, at least to the degree that ECW used it. It made wrestling fresh and exciting again. For those who experienced it live, ringside at every ECW Arena show like I did, we were more than just fans, we were part of a movement. We went to all the shows, we knew who the other fans were because we saw them every 3 weeks, we talked about ECW on Prodigy, we wore our ECW shirts everywhere we went and got excited if we saw someone else wearing one, be it in a mall, at a concert, at a ball game, or wherever. It was an amazing time. What made it the worst thing to ever happen to wrestling is that everyone tried to imitate it, and every imitation fell flat and just looked embarrassing. They took the parts that made ECW great and beat them into the ground by overdoing them, and doing them poorly. The long ass in ring promo's that inevitably lead to another wrestler's music hitting being done every single week. The overuse of table spots to the point where nobody blinks an eye when they see one anymore. The ridiculousness of dives and flips, a group of wrestlers just standing there on the outside with their arms stretched out waiting for another wrestler to dive on top of them, and then they all fall down even if they didn't come close to being hit by anyone, etc, etc, etc. I compare it to a classic rock band from the 70' s that are still touring today but no longer has any original members. You're seeing the same old songs, but they're just not anywhere near as good as when the original band members did it. And the new members don't have the talent or creativity to come up with anything good, so their new stuff is garbage that nobody wants to see. Young fans still enjoy wrestling because they didn't live through great wrestling from the past. Most older fans, like myself, gave up on wrestling long ago. It's just unwatchable to me. And that's a shame because I was as big of a wrestling fan as there was back then.

Lether trench coats baseball hat Haymon was the 90s New York mascot 😂

I wonder if there are any wrestler's that still hold a grudge against Paul for not paying them? 😅

"There was a dream that was Rome. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish, it was so fragile." - Gladiator Ironic, because it had to be the least fragile form of entertainment in history.

I wonder if Heyman could’ve made a Smackdown 6 in WWECW who would he have put in it??

@davidyya2399

9 ай бұрын

CM Punk would have been one of them for sure

E-C-DUB!

I didn't watch it in the 90s, but after hearing Heyman talk I completely get why wwes ecw failed.

Maybe Paul Heyman can make a pitch to TKO about bringing back the product. Or at least the one night stand PPV

ECW fans were the best group out of all three feds.

He is nice guy

1:26 😂😂 it’s true

🤘

Paul heyman and raven should be a 1000 percent should be inducted into the WWE hall of fame and same to new jack the legendary new jack deserves it too

ECW WAS THE SHI!!!!!!t🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

In the midst of all that Paul screwed over, among many, Tammy & Chris. Paul's using fan adulation to revise his actions in an historical context.

The little bingo hall changed wrestling. Never will be replicated or duplicated. ECW.

You can pay them now

ECW was a product of it's time. I do not think it would survive in the modern age of wrestling. Look at Jon Moxley in AEW and his blading in every match he is in. He would have been embraced with open arms if he were in ECW, because that was their style back then. Yes there was CZW, IWA Mid-South, and Wrestling Society X while hardcore felt like cheap ripoffs of ECW at the end of the day. ECW was in the right place at the right time with the right people running the show. That is what made ECW so special at the end of the day.

I don’t love wrestling that much to wrestle in conditions where I’m not getting paid 😂 idc how over I am or how much the ppl enjoyed our performance

@fredwr

9 ай бұрын

Someone's passion for something can be exploited by another person, and boy did Paul exploit these guy's financially and physically

I lost all respect for modern WWE fans when they did that trial of Sami Zayn and the fans chanting ECW at Paul Heyman and Heyman acknowledges them by using the phrase *"Guilty as charged!"* twice! and they didn't respond meaning they are Ignorant and have never watched ECW hardcore tv or any ECW show before It's not Just a catchy chant or weapons matches, they had actual wrestling matches, good ones and noone remembers that!

The original ECW roster has a legend. Correct me if I’m wrong

I love how much of a bs businessman he is.

To me ECW did survive....it became ROH

ECW's invasion could've been much more successful & memorable had they been booked like as close to an equal to wwe as it gets (at-least top-stars) [had ECW never been "little-brother booked".. If ECW invasion could've been led by Cactus Jack (someone who could believably simultaneously build-up ECW title credibility & be the WWE champion) & ECW top-guys were booked NOT-WEAK, it'd be far more memorable.. As Cactus Jack leads the charge for ECW; ECW's Simultaneously building-up Raven's legitimacy [never putting him in a skirt / don't change his grunge wcw/ecw look]. (Showcase him in programs w/ the likes of HBK, Steve Austin, Kurt Angle, HHH, Chris Jericho [the outcomes are-not Raven getting stomped out but legitimately being booked towards WWE champion / main event status); Frm which creatively Raven begins leading the ECW charge. W/RVD being built-up as the following ECW / WWE main-eventer. Tommy Dreamer / Sandman.. (Funk was probably too old by the time, i don't recall much of his presence. (The mid 90s i remember chainsaw charlie Funker, but i don't recall where he was or how he was doing during time of the invasion) ECW needed to bring substance into the main event scene. Rhyno was also cool, Tazz, Sabu, Tajiri (i just don't know much size came into play in limiting their position in the main-card) names such as those should've worked perfectly w/ guys like Benoit/Guerrero/Jericho/Mysterio nevertheless & they've each experienced world-title accolades; so no reason really why they couldn't. If done right a Raven / HBK program could've been fun (Maybe Raven briefly recruits Marty to assist him going over Michaels & creates a new 'Flock' just spitballing) Raven vs. Austin [be awesome if Pillman was alive through that to join this 'Flock'] If RVD is never booked like 'little brothered" & legit out the gates w/Austin & Angle. (had he gotten a lengthier program w/ HBK ; & Chris Jericho it would've been memorable.. Fast-forward abit & Sandman & DDP could've been 🔥(if WWE didn't alter DDP's gimmick too-much) Fast forward abit more & Tommy Dreamer could've been feuding w/ John Cena, [ideally Cena sees Dreamer as someone he can do business w/ & they have some memorable moments & matches. Where Dreamer isn't ALWAYS buried. (For ECW's sake) Maybe ECW recruits the likes of Mark Henry sooner & he's booked as their wrecking ball muscle. (Hall of Pain comes abit earlier & M. Henry extends his career's dominance) [Wrestling Machine Angle was a perfect fit for ECW, (intensity & early perc🔥) as was Austin (w/the prior-days connection to ecw how ecw helped austin develop character.. [if they could've been booked to-where their star didn't overshadow the others'; for ECW's sake in the long-haul big-picture] it'd have helped ECW remain memorable. Focus on creative pushes of Cactus Jack / Raven / RVD / Dreamer / Sandman, less focus on less serious gimmicks like balls mahoney/blue meany/etc. [if i'm forgetting anyone else believable frm ecw side that could've been a focal-point let me know fam, I'd be curious to see who if anyone slipped the mind too..)

@thenotoriousroc3508

3 ай бұрын

Idk where K-Kwik (R-Truth) was at the time of the invasion. Ken Shamrock [another interesting name that could've helped ecw's 'invasion legacy'] i recall k-wik & road dogg on wwe tv prior to invasion if memory serves, & shortly after invasion he & shamrock are competing for the nwa world title in tna.. K-Kwik/R-Truth could've been an awesome (perfect) superstar to 'rep' ecw for that time frame & gotten some awesome programs between he & austin, also been built up as a world champion main-eventer, transitioning eras into programs w/cena eventually. (I know a random name though i was personally 'high-on' d-lo brown; he could've added something interesting if utilized properly) ECW should've never lost the ability to storyline 'sign free agents' 'frm the wwe' or recruit (at times they maybe over recruited, but as long as the former wwe superstar has some ecw connection &/or storyline(s) like raven's mentioned 'new flock additions' (it should've only helped ECW). Steven/William Regal is legitimately pushed in this universe & becomes ECW champion earlier, grit taken up a notch in ECW & while repping ecw w/ a new intensity Regal starts moving towards wwe title main event scene.. Lance Storm (alongside a Paul Heyman or someone like that, in legitimate programs with, michaels, jericho, austin, angle etc.. It's a shame Bret Hart was too injured to take part in the invasion. He too could've been someone who ecw side recruits (w/help of Lance Storm maybe, giving him the rub w/some cool points). Bret could've easily also been 'storyline disgruntled w/the wwe/&wcw's lack of faith in him' [or something like that] (The Hitman w/a renewed hardcore-intensity repping ecw for abit, possibly having a run (or multiple runs) w/ecw title himself through different times; could've been🔥🔥 (He could've eventually gone rogue/solo as-well, &'ve been considered 'the biggest free-agent independent of all the brand(s)' & be 'the hitman' that mixes it up w/all the above mentioned names).. I could see a 'storyline-disgruntled' Giant (aka Big Show) fortifying ECW's strength in quality-numbers. [Citing lack of wwe opportunity(ies) something to that effect]; (the wwe side has their giants w/taker / kane ; wcw side has theirs w/ kevin nash eventually show & ecw would be natural fit.. as mentioned at some point Henry would be cool for ecw. Wwe guys who were ecw guys, like Benoit, Tazz, Guerrero, Rhyno get recruited to ecw earlier possibly; or at-least to the ecw brand show. [Eddie v. Sabu program there🔥🔥] Maybe Rey bounces regularly between sd & ecw shows. (For some added 'pop') Also maybe a disgruntled (w/the WCW side): Finlay starts repping ECW. I could also see the ecw brands chaotically fighting & competing amongst its own ranks. [As would the wwe, & wcw; but when ecw did it, they brought it to the extreme] [If ecw & wcw could've gotten their own brand shows earlier alongside wwe's raw/sd (not in-place of) & it was done right [ecw/nor wcw nerfed in anyway(s), it could've extended the 'invasion(s)' & brought the overall quality to different/new heights. (Future drafts/Rumbles/Chambers/MITB(s)/S.Series/etc & whatnot could've been🔥) Its all fantasy booking. (Though alot could've been done differently. & bigger over arching storylines could've been extended in entertaining ways as-well. js

@thenotoriousroc3508

3 ай бұрын

Curt Hennig / Roddy Piper to name a few more, that just popped into mind, whom could've been utilized various ways. (Both brought in to be used by wwe & on wwe tv programming '02 &/or later mind-u [under/mis-utilized])

People didn't know they weren't getting paid. Wrestlers resented and badmouthed him over this for years in plenty of interviews. He is a good liar. Apparebtly it is key to be successfull in a corporate enviroment.

Its legacy is that a shady business man screwed over his talent, left for a bigger promotion while lying to the talent, and accumulated a bunch of debt that eventually got them shut down.

@sirnoname6943

7 ай бұрын

Basically big fish ate little fish it just happened that little fish was one of the greatest tasting fish

Paul Heyman = Smartest guy in the room.

@themaddogofcrenshaw7367

9 ай бұрын

In that room, maybe

"To much drama" - Jim Cornette

ECW was Philadelphia’s version of Memphis Wrestling

A bunch of marks who hurt each other for real for little to no money.

ECW's legacy: destroyed wrestling. I've stopped watching the product in 2001. Thanks to ECW and their degeneracy which oozed over to WCW and WWF.

@wayneivers732

9 ай бұрын

Mae Young giving birth to a hand was degeneracy, and it was all Vince. Can't blame Paul for that crime.

@randomastheycome8300

9 ай бұрын

@@wayneivers732 Giving birth to a hand in a skit is terrible. Having men hitting themselves with chairs in the head, repeatedly, when it's not an injury angle is just waving the middle finger.

@jordanwilliams7996

9 ай бұрын

Fans like u is what killed wrestling yall want it for stay cartoony and for kids

Paul Heyman might be a very nice man but the way he sits on that chair instantly screams I'm a douche

If kickstart or gofundme existed in the 90s, I think ECW would’ve been in business

The sound of freedom

He’s such a con man.