They should get a more sever punishment than Empy got for moving in and out of a circle on the ground.

@skyler1469

22 күн бұрын

Ehhh debatable

@i_lunarr

20 күн бұрын

Okay this is the worst idea ever First of all this bug was reverted and able to be reverted Empyrean CREATED items by dropping items and selling some effecting the market and he is a huge streamer meaning people saw how to abuse it. In the grand scheme of things these shields hardly did anything other than be funny, some people were doing 10x more damage for 2 days and that was it then they got reverted. No items were created or dropped and the market wasn't effected, there were people abusing the bug and people buying items abused by the bug, aswell as mirroring bug abused items. The punishment for them is they now have useless items and lost out on some gems I have seen items in chat such as a mirror tier phys bow that someone mirrored and it now has 3 sockets this is not even a drop in the ocean to effect the grand scheme of things

@yamamotosora1912

20 күн бұрын

@@i_lunarr let me geuss you got some 6l ... now you are scarie to get ban. lol

@house_of_ember327

17 күн бұрын

Empy's punishment was over the top. They should have patched it and left it. It's flaws like these that make this game truly and enjoyably unique. It's flaws like these that bring back the core player base for 1 reason or another if the league is slow. Besides, if it does get bad. The league will inevitably end and the next wipe begins. Holding onto some souvenirs to remember the good memories and maybe go back and enjoy if future league are slow... Because you know this shit doesn't get sold often in standard.

@GhostAeonWolf

13 күн бұрын

we all know that wont happen. They wont even loose the currency they made on it.

Even Jenebu isnt scared of his mirrored items, he instantly changed enchants on his crucible bows in standard too

@divinityai

23 күн бұрын

Jenebu sells items for $$$, ofc he isn't scared. It's literally what he do, any way to gain "profit".

@GhostAeonWolf

13 күн бұрын

yeah, he does not have to be scared of people wanting refunds for being scammed... he just profits by exploiting and makes living with it... its like when everyone knows who is the boss of a certain mafia, but nobody can do anything and governing body wont.

Ghazzy is gone and the Game is breaking. Classic

@russelldonais6886

23 күн бұрын

the game has been in a downward spiral since Pathofmath got banned. Every one pushed him to the side and took over what he is doing. Hence the movement of twicH or youtube steams becoming more popular.

I saw a video about this a couple days ago and i was thinking this could be bannable as this is an obvious exploid. So i never touched it. Honestly this is bug abusing. If i find a dupe bug could i use it without issues ? Sounds really bad right ?

Yesterday there was a Squire with 6 links linked in chat and also a weird quiver with 6 links in chat.

@mrnice4434

23 күн бұрын

There are still this items on the trade page. Shilds with 6 sockets, Belts with normal sockets etc etc

@JDsBBQnBourbon

23 күн бұрын

maybe a 6 socket squire would make the wolf build feel playable.

ban until end of the league for fist time exploiters seems resonable for me , for people with a track record ofc longer ones ... we don't need this scumbags

I strongly disagree. I don't exploit, never have. The reason I am against doing anything other than resetting the items back to the correct number of sockets is the definition of the word exploit is quite murky. Especially in a game as complex and frankly obscure on purpose like Path of Exile it's often quite hard to say if a certain interaction is intended by the developers or not. I have a strong feeling they themselves don't know until they see it in action. But experimenting with these interactions is the heart and soul of the game, it's what makes it fun and continuously changing. Don't get me wrong, in this particular case it's quite obviously an exploit, but my point is if they start bringing down the hammer this would chill the enthusiasm of players to try out things that might be not necessarily intended but a welcome addition to the game. I think I even saw a developer saying in an interview they throw a couple of weird items at the community every league and see what comes out of it. Mathematically the combinations are so many it is neigh impossible if not straight impossible for them to analyze every single one and decide in advance if it's intended or should be removed from the game.

@davidpowell3469

19 күн бұрын

I have been playing for 11 years so I obviously would recognize this as an exploit and I agree that many newer players would not. But, how many newer players have hundreds of Divines to buy this stuff? Not many. So bans would not affect many "unknowing" players - but based on GGG's history of not doing anything that I can think of (except for Emp's group) they will let it slide regarding bans.

@therocklau

13 күн бұрын

I can't tell why you would think that, the only logical reason is you don't know how this game has been running, GGG at least before has always hard on exploits, exceptionally hard, back in early days, people got perma banned because they didn't share the GCP 20% quality recipe and made money themselves, perma banned I said, not even for an exploit but for a information gap of an intended mechanic, because they disrupted the economy in game, and that is not even comparable to 1/100th of what's happening now.

I think restoring all existing items to their original limitations would be enough of a punishment in this case. That's a lot of currency from bug abusers (and everyone involved) sent straight to the void. That + a public announcement stating the next time there will be bans.

@i_lunarr

20 күн бұрын

Restoring all items is the punishment here. The only people who lost or gained money were bug abusers. If you did not involve yourself with any of the items created then you haven't been effected. The shields ultimately did nothing to the game state

@moritze.7788

17 күн бұрын

@@i_lunarr This is just a stupid excuse. The items break the game for example 6l Squire. With this you can effectively do more content and influence the market a lot. Also the "abuse everything there is to abuse or you will miss out" mentality that comes from this is the biggest issue.

Empy was banned for less than this

@i_lunarr

20 күн бұрын

Empyrean was banned for more than this, you realise these shields did nothing right? Nothing was created nothing was brought into existence by this bug. However the bug empyrean used in crucible actively generated new items that effected the whole player market and gave them and anyone else who abused it while it worked a humongous advantage over everyone in that league. The shields did nothing

@moritze.7788

17 күн бұрын

@@i_lunarr Yeah sure they do nothing - instead of breaking the whole game and being sold on the market. Both dumb things that deserve to be punished. Atleast delete the items and give people a warning message on their poe account.

As a 'newer' player, im honestly quite shocked how a large part of the community, is dealing with openly exploiting game mechanics. And even more so, that GGG is seemingly letting it slide, including people gloating about it in a moderated global chat. This is beyond anything i have ever experienced in a game, if left unchecked this behavior will even effect PoE 2 later down the line imo.

3 day start of season ban would be perfect to send a message. Effect their in game pocket book the same way they did the in game community.

@Frolkinator

23 күн бұрын

Ban till week 5 of next league

i just read the comment in the video. "such a bad approach, let it be for this season"... people clearly dont understand what this means when such items get into standart league

I feel a lot of mirror crafters feel the need to exploit hard as GGG has created a system that has occasionally encouraged this type of behavior by allowing some exploits to stay in the game. Due to this I feel a ban would not be warranted THIS time, and they should send a warning, almost cease and desist letter, this time and go straight into hard bans next time

@NotYourBusiness-bp2qn

21 күн бұрын

I disagree. Constant experimentation is one of the main reasons that makes POE dynamic and interesting. With so many mechanics and items there is no way for the developers to calculate every possible tech combination and decide in advance if it's intended or breaks the game. So what they do is they throw shit at the wall, figuratively, and see what sticks. The community of POB warriors does it's thing and sometimes game breaking stuff comes out and they remove it. But alos sometimes the tech is actually cool and they let it become a build.

The tricky bit here is exploits like these are not obviously exploits for everyone under all circumstances. I can totally see someone thinking it is just another form of power creep. Especially if they are not super familiar with the ins and outs of the game.

@fuzzduck1420

22 күн бұрын

It’s made pretty obvious early on how many sockets can be applied to an item. Items say ‘this item has its maximum number of sockets’ in the chat window when adjusting sockets and hitting the max. Kaoms heart says specifically ‘has no sockets’ The way the exploit was done was with a specific thing in a specific way. People who did this knew what they were doing.

@TripleOmega

22 күн бұрын

@@fuzzduck1420 The argument I'm making here is that for GGG it's not good enough if 99% of people were intentionally exploiting. If they hit that 1% with the ban hammer there is going to be backlash. And it's always easy to say "They must have known,", but I've been around the gaming world long enough to have seen plenty of people be oblivious to such things.

@fuzzduck1420

22 күн бұрын

@@TripleOmega for this particular exploit, if you did it, you knew what you were doing. I’m sorry, there’s no other explanation than that. If you understand how the exploit was done, you would know that you have to perform certain actions to make it work that wouldn’t be done by someone playing the game normally. Maybe they should ban people that performed the actin 2+ times then. They need to do something though, just reverting the items is not enough. Items that were selling for under 1 divine were selling for 120+ because of this

Simple, DELETE ALL items with unintended sockets. The people who made them knew what they were doing, the people who bought them knew what they were buying. DROP THE HAMMER. In the case of someone creating and selling it, delete the currency they sold it for.

@adriangodoy4610

23 күн бұрын

I wonder if someone has been farming ubers with a 12 link setup

@Zensor0815

23 күн бұрын

But the seller still keeps the currency... so they have no consequences.

@Samulisami

22 күн бұрын

Would love to see that, but I doubt GGG has the balls to do the right thing :D

@Xaldin773

22 күн бұрын

@@Samulisami it already happened before and will happen again when "large amounts of unintended items" are created. but this time GGG should add the essence tab into the database search..

@TF_56

22 күн бұрын

Thats the buyers fault for buying a bugged item

so you can combine this with the unique shield that gives you 3 links to your main hander to get 10 links? Not that it's something I want to do, but it would certainly been OP

Ban or punishment for finding a fun interaction that might not be intended would just make things worse for the community. I could have interacted with this exploit but chose not to. I kinda feel stuff like this just makes things more exciting and interesting which is good for the game.

Instead of banning players GGG can do some fun things punishing heavy and public exploiters. Having more severe consequences for repeated offenders. Examples I’d love to see is an exploiter appear in a pillory for a time every time they port into a town, or when they type a message in in-game chat randomly change their message to ‘I’m an exploiter!’. Nothing that actually stops them from playing but makes fun of their exploits for everyone’s entertainment.

I agreed with Ghazzy, they have to at least ban abusers for a week

some are obious exploits but some u dont even know like farming strats.

Ban them from Necropolis trade league, but let them play any standard mode, or SSF Necropolis

@vimzim8576

22 күн бұрын

The bigger punishment is to force them to play Ruthless... hit level 100 on Ruthless before you can access other leagues on that account again.

@i_lunarr

20 күн бұрын

Doesn't fix anything and this is hardly bannable

Unfortunately this bug wasn’t that hard to stumble on and use. With that said those who made a poop ton of items and those sharing the bug to larger audiences should definitely have consequences. GGG should also have a way in game to make bug reports snapshotting game information

I don’t think GGG should punish anyone for their own mistakes. They should take responsibility for their own actions. Bands should be reserved for instances of abuse, third party software cheats, and RMT. The way I think it should be handled is for the unintentional bug and the unintentional outcomes of that bug be reverted in the game.

@gerbo8018

23 күн бұрын

The issue is if there is a dupe bug ... you'd crash the economy completely. There is a reason why bugabusing is bannable in almost every online game. This is a clear bug. There is no doubt about it. And people abused it, should held accountable.

@russelldonais6886

23 күн бұрын

they should ban, doing some that you know is wrong and expect nothing bad in return is just a person detached from the world. any one making videos and showing you how to do it should also be banned. If GGG does nothing than they are showing they care more about some ones words to a person than the action they take in the game.

@dakai4992

23 күн бұрын

The thing with this exploit is it feeds directly into RMT. It has absolutely nothing to do with player economy. Like GGG hurt the economy more than this exploit. People didn't even notice for a month or so. Also banning people would literally do nothing, because they are not public figures in anyway. Sure you would get those who for some reason did this out of curiosity, but not those that just spoof another account. Also you'd need to find them first. And let's be real here, they can't even get rid of one item in standard without breaking a leg. What GGG should actually do is reward those who find exploits. For sure I'd trade this exploit on Day 5 or so for a Weta with a white hat. Then they can patch it out quitely.

@gerbo8018

23 күн бұрын

@@dakai4992 they could reward those that find bugs/exploits with some coins for cosmetics. They lose nothings but fains gain something most want.

@dpolenz79

22 күн бұрын

The people who made those items priced them at mirror prices on the market and then it got nerfed. That’s the issue. I agree to leave it in the game but they nerfed it and then you have a small group making all the money for the third time this league.

I honestly think you are a bit overreacting and actual issue here is the developer making mistakes on their game. They need to fix it faster. Punishing people like that is quite weird but few day bad on people who keep using exploits should be fine. Weak hell no

They should punish those who abuse and try to earn from it. But at the same tim reward those who submit first a valid bug report as a way to encourage that behaviour.

Fubgun makes 10 mirrors in 1 day due to an exploit, exploit gets fixed before many people had the character power to replicate it. Ghosted meatsacks get shown off by Ben exploiting ghosts that shouldn't be there due to back to basics. Exploit gets fixed before many people had the character power to replicate it. Shaper rares in back to basics get showcased and again the exploit is fixed before the average player had a chance to take advantage of it. Each of these bugs the players that exploited them got to keep their ill earned profits after exploiting obvious bugs. In none of these cases did anybody get in trouble. This exploit was doable by anybody for the cost of less 1 black Morrigan beast craft. Im not saying that the items should have been left in game, they clearly broke a basic mechanic if the game, having a specific number of sockets, but they left it in the game long enough that it affected the economy and may players may have been effected. What needs to start happening is consistency. If they're going to remove the unfairly made items then they need to be consistent with other bugs that generate unintended items and remove them too, or they need to say "whoops. We didn't mean to do that, but we're going to leave it" like we left the 25k armor in standard"

For me I'd say: First offence - one day ban and delete the item. Second offence - one week ban and delete the item Third offence - ban until the end of the league

@scandalfop2093

23 күн бұрын

Second offence - ban for the league Third offence - account ban if someone is doing something for the third time, there's practically no chance that it's unintentional. At that point, they deserve an account ban imo.

@anthonyrenli8740

23 күн бұрын

@@scandalfop2093 the details can be adjusted, some kind of penalty is needed

Yes, I think GGG should punish "exploiters". maybe not in form of a ban, but possibly also respond with an account-bound "exploit-mod". Lets say; from now on you will be oneshoted by every monster, no matter what lvl, for X days. that would be fun :)

Game absolutely needs consequences for bugs that are clearly getting exploited which are obvious to interpret as such like if something says CANNOT but it's still possible and you abuse it you earned a free pass to jail.

Well 1 week as ban right now would just end the league for most people. 3 Days ban and immediately after noticing the exploit would be good though.

GGG really doesn't care about PoE1 at this point do they

Think anyone who did it more than once deserves at least a week + item removal.

IMO: I agree with GGG's action, or better lack of action. Why punish people for playing a damn game. If that ever happened to me I would be very skeptical to play the game ever again... It's a game. Yes people have careers in POE, like Ghazzy, but no one of them got hurt. I did not got hurt. Even if I knew this was a thing, I would not abush it. Ok, maybe I would 6L a shield and a 6L one-haned sword, for sience the keep it as a treasure trove but never sell or use it... Both opinions make sense. I just do not want GGG to police people around! I have bad expirences with game companies who tried to police people around. Please no!

Send this this league to the void!

Six link kaoms looks so cursed.

Agree on the part of ggg needing to define boundaries and whatnot but less so on the take that “exploit early exploit often” is a bad thing. Plenty of cases where things had what seemed to be unintended outcomes. Does ggg need slap everyone who used ghosted exile strats? What about meatsack meta? Ggg said this is too much and dialed it back. You can miss something for whatever reason but you should work on fixing it Wich they are and good on them for doing so. But at the same time if I wanted to I could pull the card of: ggg let it slip past testing so I’m gonna have a little bit of fun cuz after all that’s what I’m here for playing a video game. And sure there is varying degrees of ppl abusing it and to some degree cover my own ass I got an item (the only thing I could really afford since I was too late to make some of my own) was a 6l kaoms heart simply to see if it would stick around. Now am I lowkey getting fearmongered into believing I should delete said item and hope no “slap on the wrist” so to speak comes my way? Absolutely but I’m not bothering. At the end of the day it is what it is and it in an ideal world wouldn’t even have come to this but here we are Cheers 👍

@blazewagon5677

23 күн бұрын

Ggg wasn’t very clear on repercussions about various things in the past And I mean I could bring up the mirrored items in std that 24k fire res on them, should those items have also been removed? Either in the past or now? Who’s to say

If it is doable then it is developers fault

The problem is where to draw the line between obvious exploits and not so obvious exploits that might just be misunderstood by newer players as "normal" Now granted, newer players are unlikely to stumble upon things if they are hard to do, but there are several exploits that can happen to people unintentionally as well. Some exploits are very much a grey area too, hard to tell if certain synergies were intentional or not etc. Personally I'm not a fan of punishing people for exploits at all. PoE is way too complex for that to not end up dragging people into it that consider these things normal part of the game. As long as its an actual exploit and not someone messing with files or tools outside of the game, they should fix things quickly and be done about it. I'd rather have better QA than pointlessly punishing people. You will never be able to convince players that any punishment regarding exploits is fair in any way, you will always have people who were drastically abusing it and people who unintentionally did something and get thrown into the same pot. Punishing these things at all, will just end up as a PR mess.

Ah the beautifully grey area of bug exploitation.

Funny seeing the comments, you can clearly see who has made our bought these items. Those who say its GGGs fault for not testing properly, are the ones running round with this blatent cheat equipment.

GGG must do something, otherwise the "exploit early, exploit hard" mentality will get worse every time some bug is exploited. The minimum GGG have to do is patch/delete the items and make a clear statement they won't tolerate future exploits.

@Stonegoal

23 күн бұрын

It has always been that way. Do you prefer when people do not share information? The more it gets punished the more it will be hidden.

@dakai4992

23 күн бұрын

That mentality is pretty much the fundamental of early league economy. Like abuse the best new game mechanic to make as much cash as fast as possible before the next patch. It can't get any worse.

Ban them all for the next league.

The people that are smart enough to discover these game breaking exploits and then repeat the process, know DAMN well they are doing something they shouldn't. They can't claim ignorance and just say "Oh I thought thats what the dev's wanted" so I have ZERO sympathy or empathy for exploiters, it's no different than cheating in my eyes, they should at least, have their accounts banned, if not Perma banned. Streamers doing it and making it more widely accessible should also face punishment like not being able to stream GGG content or something. D4 is bad, we all know this, but at least in the history of the Diablo franchise, exploiters, cheaters, botters, were always punished. Banned. Removed from leaderboards etc. It's the ONE thing they did semi right. GGG needs to wake the fuck up, especially against the people that are profiting so heavily from it and ruining the economy for everyone else who's trying to play legit. EDIT: At the bare minimum, they should remove the players account from being able to trade. Force these bastards to play SSF or be forced to make a new account or something. I dunno. Cheating is lame and people that do it have very smol pp.

I think a 3.25 suspension is in order. These streamers normalizing exploits is a serious problem in itself and needs to be addressed. Simply telling them they can take the rest of this shit league off is not enough in my opinion. GGG also needs to take a hard look at what items are bugged in standard and clean that up while setting a tone moving forward.

Yikes. someones in troubleeeeeee

look after yourself lad mental health very important

small indie company so it's okay :)

I dunno. 20 People, including Empy got banned for the rest of the league in Ultimatum for walking in an out of the ultimatum circle that made Ultimatum yield excessive rewards and experience. You could say Abyss Spire farming last league was a similar 'exploit' as the spire shouldn't have worked with multliple projectiles, should we also ban people who spam-opened maps this league, or people who realised before GGG that "unique monsters drop X" type rewards are crazy with abundant amounts of rogue exile and torment ghost? Should I have been banned for getting 2 mirrors in a week of abyss farming? I mean that's 12K hours without mirrors, then getting 2 in a span of a week, sounds pretty bad to me. I don't disagree, exploiters should be punished. But the inconsistency really bothers me. Where is the line between juicing and exploiting? Where is the line between a clever use of mechanics to break crafting and make OP items and exploiting? Why is it more punishable to abuse for the quantity of loot drops in a game that is literally about pushing those loot drops and less punishable to exploit crafting mechanics?

Like if this isn't bannable, what is?

@gerbo8018

23 күн бұрын

this should be on the same level as a dupe in my eyes. You cannot say this isn't obviously a bug.

@paulosgfug

23 күн бұрын

using a macro to 6link your chest faster. classic ggg

@chrisshim7429

22 күн бұрын

how bout we start with the bots on global chat that sells currency for real $. Cus its kinda out of hand

@gerbo8018

22 күн бұрын

@@chrisshim7429 they could do both ... 1 doesn't stop them from doing the other. But i agree they also need to get banned.

Alright, who's selling 4 socket crest of desire plz? ._.

An exploit is not the same as TOS breach. These exploits exist because there was not enough proper testing or development done on the productions part. I vote in no impact to the exploiters that have not breached TOS.

You r salty very much.And the main issue with GGG is that there is no such thing as a predefined exploit from GGG.These crafts actually do what they are intended to do, and that’s it.If they indeed were willing to keep that at bay they should have programmed this accordingly.And it does look like they intended it to be this way for this league at least.

Bro it’s a temporary league with make believe money. Why does it matter? Isn’t it more fun just to absolutely break the game and become unfathomably powerful? Fix it next for next league if they don’t want it around and let the standard players go nuts and freak out mass producing items that can’t be obtained anymore. Also can’t get fomo if you can’t mo.

Ok I have a question on the ban and punishment side. I do agree something should be done but to what extent. GGG is absolutely terrible at punishing those that do the exploits. I think between three and five days is a good start but then that brings in another question. What about the people that made mirrors off this. It may not be that much but my point still stands. Do you strip everything that came from that exploit to include new gear bought? I mean there is a ripple effect that has occurred and has to be brought in. I would strip the money made and all gear that came off the exploit but what is everyone elses thoughts?

@fuzzduck1420

22 күн бұрын

They need to do something harsher. If they can track who used the beast craft to make exploited items, they should just wipe their accounts stashes on league totally clean and clean their league characters too. If it was done on standard, the same should apply. People need harsher punishments because right now, there’s no deterrent from just doing this and getting rich

@justincolvin6712

22 күн бұрын

@@fuzzduck1420 That in essence is the problem. GGG has never really punished like they should. I dont know what the right answer is but something has to be done to send the message

@fuzzduck1420

22 күн бұрын

@@justincolvin6712 I think they either clean the people who made the items out completely if they can trace it back or they ban them for a week upon league start. It has to be something heavier than just fixing the items. The damage is already done and people who did this exploit knew they were doing it

@justincolvin6712

22 күн бұрын

@@fuzzduck1420 I am not saying your wrong. I am just more or less saying GGG is not good at this nor have they ever been

@fuzzduck1420

22 күн бұрын

@@justincolvin6712 yeah I know. They never really handle this stuff well. People are actually arguing for those items to be left in the game as well which is the craziest part of it all

skipped this league after 6 days after start (6k played time in PoE)...

Who cares, you all in standard delete Ubers in 1 second anyway and visa/mastercard your items with tft or currency selling sites(they wouldn’t exist otherwise). Non ssf ruthless is just creator mode.

Banning people for the remainder of the league is doing people a favor… league has had many many issues … head hunter was 6 div lol

trap totem man destroy the S22. all items is so cheap. just bcuz no one need the items. they just need a weapon with that totem passive.

End of league? no more POE content?

I hope GGG will follow up the hotfix with a statement or banwave of some sorts. Just fixing the bug and reverting the items just pushes the "abuse early abuse often" attitude even more. The biggest problem is that GGG was always inconsistent af in there stance on bug abuse/exploits. Sometimes they ban, sometimes they fix, sometimes they do nothing. This needs to change and i hope the scale of the mess this time changes something.

@Oceanborn

22 күн бұрын

YES. THANK YOU. Was gonna comment exactly the same. A large part of the problem with this particular topic is GGG's inconsistency - the ridiculous fire res chest was allowed to stay but unintended 6L aren't. Neither should've been allowed (although admittedly the fire res chest was an accident so I wouldn't want them banning for that) but the existence of that chest has set the precedent that not all bugged items will be removed, it's a complete fucking dice roll if intentional exploiters will cop a ban or not. It's caused a real divide in the community, particularly on Reddit, with some people very openly defending exploiting citing nonsense like "it's just a PvE game bro nothing should be nerfed" and other people quite rightly laughing at them. We need consistency from GGG or this exact argument is going to happen time and time again until the servers close

Oh nooo, what happend to having fun? Its bug, it should be fixed and not abused But banning? Roll back?... Its game, economy is already fucked soo who cares? Lets have fun with 12l bs And have it as legacy items

Exploit ? Perma ban, period

this isnt exploit it was they didnt test there shit this is what happens, and keep happening becuase they dont test correctly or care about the testers voices, so you cant expect to ban people becuase GGG put in the game and didnt care.

100% agree They Should Do the Same Thing As They Did in Ultimatum To a known Streamer who Got The Biggest Loot Explosion In That Time , Yep POE and Life Both are Not fair

No consequences needed. GGG has patched it and it's fixed. As a low level enjoyer of POE.....it didn't affect my gameplay one bit. Only the 1% of POE players can afford this exploit.....good for them.

@ReeYuuJee

23 күн бұрын

oh sweet summer child

you said you had mental issues? and i guess the bug gave you some more :D

Okay banning people for this is the worst idea ever. First of all this bug was reverted and able to be reverted Empyrean CREATED items by dropping items and selling some effecting the market and he is a huge streamer meaning people saw how to abuse it. In the grand scheme of things these shields hardly did anything other than be funny, some people were doing 10x more damage for 2 days and that was it then they got reverted. No items were created or dropped and the market wasn't effected, there were people abusing the bug and people buying items abused by the bug, aswell as mirroring bug abused items. The punishment for them is they now have useless items and lost out on some gems I have seen items in chat such as a mirror tier phys bow that someone mirrored and it now has 3 sockets this is not even a drop in the ocean to effect the grand scheme of things People are sat here genuinely calling hese guys scumbags who do a funny little haha look i have a 6l shield. There was a bug in a game that spread of course people are going to abuse it while its there and banning peopke would fix nothing considering not only is it hard to track who specifically made the item. But some people had no intent on using this to profit off of idiots who wanted to buy these items and the people who did profit off of them are equally as bad as the people who were buying them but once again its not like there was a game breaking bug that allowed the printing of mirrors or something game changing and its rediculous jow childish some people in path are that the second someone finds a bug and uses it they are scumbags and should be permanently banned? Great idea

Who cares. It’s a game, have fun. It was on the devs to make sure this doesn’t happen, and they have the power to revert it. I already quit the league before this happened, but it looks hilarious and fun. People calling for bans have that fedora tipping Reddit rage energy.

a simple day ban to set precedence is enough. don't necessarily need to remove the itms unless they have a way to retroactively fix in which case ban might not be necessary

@JanusZeal11

23 күн бұрын

I don't agree. If you have one or two, sure day band while clearly explaining why is fine. Beyond that you need to judge on the extent of the exploit. No perma-ban for this first case but the ToS needs to be updated with clear definition of the exploit ban process and the punishments up to and including permi ban for accounts and potentially guild bank wipes for blatant and persistent offenders. A ban policy for exploit is worthless if it doesn't have teeth.

man this league has had one thing after another that is just killing my motivation to play

So at the end of the day, an exploit or bug exists because the company coded the game that way, whether they new it or not. Now if they didn't know about it, that is what extensive testing is for (and we all know how much really doesn't go into that these days). Im on the fence, but I definitely lean towards the "no punishment" side because in reality, im just playing the game that they coded the way that they did. Why is that my fault? I also believe that any bug or exploit should be fixed, and not broadcasted if possible, however, if everyone is doing it or has the ability to do it, how are you gonna punish just a few people? I could see punishment if someone actively tried to alter the game to benefit them, but not because of a bug that is in fact, a mistake on the developers side.

@divinityai

22 күн бұрын

yes it's your fault. You even accepted eula, if you will abuse bugs, your account can be banned. Also with this logic, if someone finds bug/abuse of someone's credit card/bank system, it's just THEIR fault that you are getting profit of it right? What an absolute asshole mentality. Hope you will be robbed tomorrow because you didn't wear your weapon. It will be YOUR fault.

well to be honest, you can't blame the people for using a feature you gave them, altough it's not working as intended, it's still a game feature, the fault lies with the devs and their shortsightedness, that's why it can't have consequences for the exploiters. If gta had a quest that rewarded 1 billion $ instead of 1 million as intended and players all went in to farm it, you can't blame them for doing it.

exploit t17 - fine exploit loot - fine exploit 6links - fine man i miss when ggg actually punished people for exploit early exploit often. but the entire league is just one big dumpsterfire anyway already

ban early, ban hard!

maybe delete the Character and all items/currency in stash

@davidarbour2683

22 күн бұрын

Bro are you for real 😂 thousands of players doing this

Its this stuff that killed trade league for me. I think I'm SSF from here on out.

How is that an exploit rather than clever use of game mechanics/code? This one is GGGs problem IMO. What about those gloves that override aura effect of generosity or smt? Is that exploit? GGG fked up thise one, it's on them not the players.

For personally instead of banning them i would either revert the number of sockets to the original state or just delete the bugged 6 link items

i bought one just to see when its going to be actualy removed if not huh imchalenging 3 socket wand vs 12 socketed ....

Heres an example of my stance: You walk by an AT, jokingly enter a simple combination without a card, and money comes out. You're shocked, but thrn you see that every time you push the combi. Money comes out ... do you run to the ATM owner telling him about the bug? Or do you go tell a friend about the explot on the ATM machines? My point exactly being, if there are windows of opportunity that the devs have not closed, its on them, not on the player. People will ALWAYS explot tthings for their benefit, no point in fighting our nature.

ban accounts

ggg fault for not actually paying there game and testing new things they introduce... end of story

Two things. I don’t give a shit that there is an exploit. If ggg didn’t find it that’s their issue. The problem is that it gets fixed immediately and only the top end gets their hands on the gear and then they turn around and try to sell it for 200-300 div or multiple mirrors. If the average joe could six link stuff that can’t normally get them then that’s one thing but again we’ve locked the best stuff behind the top players in addition to nerfing the money making strategies again locked up to the top end players and it gets nerfed.

It’s a game. People had fun. Any harsh action is a huge L.

The problem is to know what is or is not allowed. This one is clearly a bug, but there are so many things that are balancing issues, but are not considered exploits.

@monstercrafttv02

23 күн бұрын

basicly using a beast to make 6 link isnt a bug so ... i dont know, ppl shouldnt be ban for mistake done by dev :/

@petespeedsxp4967

23 күн бұрын

@@monstercrafttv02 this is such a weird old take whenever exploiting is discussed... "it's the devs mistake!" I heard this 20 years ago and it's still as stupid as it was back then. making a 6 socket/link item with beasts is intended. yes. creating items with more sockets than they should/could have otherwise is a unintended outcome. so its a bug. using this bug to create an unfair advantage is then the definition of exploiting. not that hard to understand.

@monstercrafttv02

22 күн бұрын

@@petespeedsxp4967 We don't have the same mentality, one person will just watch KZread tutorials, the other will try things out and get a penalty because the devs forgot something in their code. I think that if he deletes items, he shouldn't ban people. That would be abusive, especially if the item is destroyed/adjusted. On the other hand, if GGG leaves the items and corrects their code, that's completely abusive! because it's impossible to do again. ( reminds me of a certain farm strategy with rogues :) )

I imprint one, mirrored another one lets see if they are still exist after. I have some projects to hinokora lock some also. I dont care about currancy. If they deleted them well gg but i find it fkg hilarious that happen and finally we can have a breath on socket gem pressure. I just want them to bring it to standard. People always says: ‘’ 90% of players play league not standard ‘’ so let it be to the museum of standard players like myself 😁

I don't mind people doing it for themself to make a cool item for a little bit, but when people start benefitting from it by taking hundreds of divines off people, knowing full well that the item has an incredibly high chance of being deleted from the game, this is where I draw the line. the people buying these items could be newer players with no idea what is happening.

@TF_56

22 күн бұрын

Newer players with 20 divs? Ok buddy

@spidahnw

22 күн бұрын

@@TF_56 my buddy had 1,000 divines in his first league last league, go figure.

My view is always on the side of the player. This is a game, it doesn't affects anyone's life so why should there be a slap on the wrist (and I write this from the position of someone who barely plays PoE at all these days because I don't like the state of the game)? My position relaterd to bugs even game breaking bugs is, if a bug gives someone an overwelming advantage, leave it in, it's more fair to leave it in, let the players enjoy it and then fix it for the next league than to break the build someone has which makes the player just want to stop playing entirely. There are other concerns here to be considered too though. For one, how does a player knows that it is a bug/exploit? The people with extremely good knowledge of the game and how GGG designs things may have a good idea that it is but for the average player who is to say that these new crafts aren't meant to override such restrictions and thus give them a more powerful item? After all, it's an ARPG where the point is bringing your build to absolutely ridiculous levels of overpowered. Then you also have the message that GGG always passed which is that there is no punishment for taking advantage of something the game allows you to do, GGG is the sole responsible to make sure that bugs don't happen after all. If from day to night with no warning GGG starts throwing the ban hammer how fair is it? Bare minimum the players would expect that GGG would first announce a change in policy before putting a new policy in place as it's expected of any serious company. Overall, I couldn't care less that the exploit exists. I don't play it to take advantage of it and odds are that if I did I would still be unable to take advantage of it anyway because I'm sure those are not cheap crafts anyway. As usual, PoE is in a place where only a minuscle portion of the playerbase ever get anywhere where the rest are just low currency farmers that quit at various points during the league. PoE was good in the past when everyone actually could archieve something with their builds but right now it's not in a healthy place. That is to say, it doesn't even matters to me how much this affects the market because the effects on the market are invisible to a player like me who regardless has 0 chance of getting anything worthwhile from the market due to the ludicrous prices and that is also true for more than 99% of the player base.

I don't like the idea of a punishing players for finding something that could be unintended as it would diminish interacting the rich and layered economy that rewards players for using their knowledge of the game. Also largely detrimental to GGG if players are banned for using a strategies to interact with the economy as they would need to start policing these occurrences individually. This could also call into question the legitimacy of the legacy standard items that are unobtainable, shouldn't these items need to be destroyed or updated to their current and in many cases weaker forms? I think this opens up a can of worms for the community if GGG takes a more aggressive stance but its also just easier for GGG to do the opposite as it puts the agency in the players hands to interact or not with these exploits without fear of penalty. Obviously, I will put a caveat on HC player killing exploits or server DOSing as these directly attack players and these actions actively harm the game or are clear violation of TOS. "Exploit Early and Exploit Often" is for the benefit of the player to act and allows the company to solely focus on fixing the issue. While I know some feel punished for not engaging I think this is because GGG have been inconsistent with banning players for these exploits and they need to update their policies to give us clear guidance on how accounts will be actioned against in the future.

At least i am expecting that those "exploited item" will be removed from the as soon as possible. This is unfair advantage for some players. About banning players ... maybe for very short duration eg. few hours. Let's see what GGG going to do (if anything).

@fuzzduck1420

22 күн бұрын

The problem is that the people who actually performed the exploit have already sold off the items for hundreds of divines. Unidentified squires were selling for 120+ divines each when the item itself was worth less than one divine. The market got heavily impacted again. The people who performed this exploit knew exactly what they were doing, a new player who doesn’t know wouldn’t just ‘stumble upon this’ Ban them for the first week of next league.

At this point I don’t even mind. League is pretty dead.

Ban till end of the league otherwise they wont learn and if happen again perma! There is people paying for the game and they are effected by it its cheating you think you are avoiding the cheater pandemic in POE but it seems like not....

Destroy the items. If a player created more than one item this way, the length of the ban in days should be "additional sockets" x "sockets", ie.: Stygian Vise 1x1, Spire 3x6, Kaom's Heart 6x6, etc.

Who cares, no one play this league anyway

this take was so bad it’s comical